Lizard Talk

[Catman]

I assume the movie's villain will be The Lizard. They have been teasing it since Spidey 2!

[boog_spin]

didnt they mention conners in the first one too?

[shinlyle]

didnt they mention conners in the first one too?

Yup.

"I was late again and Dr. Conners fired me."

He's been teased at since the beginning!

Personally, I hope we get teh classic "man/gator" Lizard instead of the crap-tastic Iguana-man Lizard!

Oh yeah, and he has to wear the lab coat!!

[Catman]

he has to wear the lab coat!!

He hasn't worn it yet so I don't see it happening. :csad:

[Spider-ManHero12]

I, personally, think Lizard will be in S-M4. :up:

[Goodfellas]

I dont know i am a little hesitant about having Lizard in this

I know Spider-Man isnt about realism but dont you think Lizard would be a little to far fetched?

[venom892]

More far fetched then a galaxy far far away or the Lord of the rings movies?People are willing to suspend their disbelief if the story is good enough.Also I hope if the lizard is in the movie they use Todd Mcfarlane's version as the basis of his look

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s59/Venom897/AmazingSpider-Man313.jpg

[Goodfellas]

I just hope they dont make him look like some dinosaur like i have seen in the spider0man 2 game and the animated series that was on mtv

[[A]]

haha when I read the title I thought it was gonna be about the Lizard and the way he talks :hehe:

[Anubis Raptor]

I personally would like to see The Lizard on the big screen.

[CFE]

I know Spider-Man isnt about realism but dont you think Lizard would be a little to far fetched?

About as far fetched as an escaped con mutated into a being made of sand by a particle accelerator experiment conducted in the dead of night :oldrazz:

[Batman137]

The Lizard sounds a little far fetched to me. I know we already saw a man made out of sand, but a giant lizard? I don't know. I think it can be pulled off though.

[[A]]

they don't have to go all the way to make an actual lizard--just some guy with a skin condition. dude, that guy looks like a lizard

[Batman137]

they don't have to go all the way to make an actual lizard--just some guy with a skin condition. dude, that guy looks like a lizard

Something sorta like this?:huh:

http://www.kaweah.com/images/lizard_man.jpg

[CaptainStacy]

I dont know i am a little hesitant about having Lizard in this

I know Spider-Man isnt about realism but dont you think Lizard would be a little to far fetched?

Not any more so than a Sandman or alien symbiote. :yay:

[thejon93]

I believe The Lizard will be backed up by another villain. And, considering he's not such a strong character on his own(believe it, all he's good for is action), I'm bettin' that we'll only see him during the final act of the film. And also, considering the fourth film will leap right into the fifth film, I'm expecting The Lizard to return. Not get killed off, like the notorious Venom we got from the equally notorious 'Spider-Man 3'.

[CaptainStacy]

I believe The Lizard will be backed up by another villain. And, considering he's not such a strong character on his own(believe it, all he's good for is action)

Disagreed. There's plenty of room for drama with Conners and his family. Not just action.

[thejon93]

Disagreed. There's plenty of room for drama with Conners and his family. Not just action.
Well, I agree with that. However, once Connors transforms into The Lizard, doesn't he stay that way until he gets a cure or something? I just really don't want him to turn out to be the anti-version of The Hulk.
:bh:

[Hobgoblin-demon]

The only thing that makes me hesitant about the Lizard is that I don't think he could be pulled off on screen as a major villain. We have to remember that when Raimi or whoever said that when we say who the villain is you'll know whos playing him they might have been reffering to GG, Venom, Doc Ock, or even Sandman (not likely). Or I could be completely wrong, but I don't think that the lizard would work onscreen.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Disagreed. There's plenty of room for drama with Conners and his family. Not just action. Indeed. There could be a scene where we see Dr. COnnors having dinner with Martha and Billy. Plenty of possibilities.

[thejon93]

Indeed. There could be a scene where we see Dr. COnnors having dinner with Martha and Billy. Plenty of possibilities.
"Having dinner?!"
:lmao:
It'd be nice to see them have breakfast, lunch and dinner, as well:funny:

[TomPiltoff]

Not any more so than a Sandman or alien symbiote. :yay:

Yeah, because that whole Spider-Man 3 situation turned out just fine.

[Arcturus]

I dont know i am a little hesitant about having Lizard in this

I know Spider-Man isnt about realism but dont you think Lizard would be a little to far fetched?

If you can accept a person being bit by a spider and gaining super powers, then Lizard will be fine. If you can accept a person being exposed to green gas and gaining super powers, Lizard will be fine. If you can accept a man being fused to robot arms (with built in A.I), Lizard will be fine. If you can accept a person being turned into a Sandman, and a man binding to an alien organism from the far reaches of space, then you can accept the Lizard.

:yay:

[venom892]

Who cares about realism?It's a Comic book movie!Come on what Fantasy movies are realistic?That's why their movies!Because they can't happen in our real world.The Lizard would bring great action,drama and intensity to the screen.He actually has a personal connection to peter that Rami likes so much without it being forced like Sandman was.So come I know it made sense for TDK to be realistic but even that wasn't all realistic ether.

[thejon93]

Who cares about realism?It's a Comic book movie!Come on what Fantasy movies are realistic?That's why their movies!Because they can't happen in our real world.The Lizard would bring great action,drama and intensity to the screen.He actually has a personal connection to peter that Rami likes so much without it being forced like Sandman was.So come I know it made sense for TDK to be realistic but even that wasn't all realistic ether.
Obviously not you:o

[venom892]

Look what has to be realistic is the characters.The Dark Knight is my favorite Comic book movie and quite frankly the movie I was the most excited about ever.TDK was awesome because of it's great script.If the script sucks all else fails.So if written well The Lizard would work in spades.

[SpaceWay2009]

Who cares about realism?It's a Comic book movie!Come on what Fantasy movies are realistic?That's why their movies!Because they can't happen in our real world.The Lizard would bring great action,drama and intensity to the screen.He actually has a personal connection to peter that Rami likes so much without it being forced like Sandman was.So come I know it made sense for TDK to be realistic but even that wasn't all realistic ether.In comic book movies, I do care about some realism. But, anyway, I agree with what you said about the Lizard. I think Raimi will make the Lizard great. One reason why is because he has a good connection with Peter. This is the kind of villain that Raimi likes - the ones that are connected to Peter.

[thejon93]

Look what has to be realistic is the characters.The Dark Knight is my favorite Comic book movie and quite frankly the movie I was the most excited about ever.TDK was awesome because of it's great script.If the script sucks all else fails.So if written well The Lizard would work in spades.
Good point. But it doesn't explain how you think they can pull off a "unrealistic" Lizard, let alone the movie itself.

[SamuraiSon6]

i think raimi will do the lizard well also. he does horror so well, just look at the hospital scene with doc ock in SM2. thats how i see the lizard being done also

[venom892]

Maybe I wasn't specific with the realism bit.What I meant is nothing in superhero movie are ever realistic.What I Want to see in comic book movies are believable characters in unbelievable situations.If the characters feel real,Act and React in a realistic manner then I believe The Lizard could be pulled off.Imagine the Emotional weight when peter realizes the man he has looked up and worked with has turned into this creature?The inner conflict within as to where his priorities lie with protecting the people or quickly finding a cure for connors?If a good actress is hired then imagine how heartfelt the scenes with Martha connors would be?That is how I believe the movie would suceed.

[thejon93]

Maybe I wasn't specific with the realism bit.What I meant is nothing in superhero movie are ever realistic.What I Want to see in comic book movies are believable characters in unbelievable situations.If the characters feel real,Act and React in a realistic manner then I believe The Lizard could be pulled off.Imagine the Emotional weight when peter realizes the man he has looked up and worked with has turned into this creature?The inner conflict within as to where his priorities lie with protecting the people or quickly finding a cure for connors?If a good actress is hired then imagine how heartfelt the scenes with Martha connors would be?That is how I believe the movie would suceed.
Something like 'Die Hard' then, huh?

[venom892]

How would be like Die hard?

[thejon93]

How would be like Die hard?
John McClane = Believable Character Caught in the Wrong Place at the Wrong Time About 4 Times Now

[venom892]

I guess that would sort of explain i guess.

[CaptainStacy]

Yeah, because that whole Spider-Man 3 situation turned out just fine.


It certainly turned out fine for SONY. Prove me wrong. :word:

[American_Hobo]

That't why they should use Carnage in Spiderman 4.
Even if they only use him for last 5 minutes of the movie, as long as they do marketing heavily on Carnage, Sony will earn tons of money.

[venom892]

It certainly turned out fine for SONY. Prove me wrong. :word:It was awesome for Sony.But a lot of people were burned by Spider-man 3 and I don't think the Fourth installment will make as much as previous films.

[mjbull23]

That't why they should use Carnage in Spiderman 4.
Even if they only use him for last 5 minutes of the movie, as long as they do marketing heavily on Carnage, Sony will earn tons of money.

Isn't that part of the same problem that we ran into with Venom in Part 3? People were excited about Venom appearing in the film, and he received like 15 mins of screentime at the very end of the movie. ouch.

I dont think Sony would want to repeat the same mistake twice.

[CaptainStacy]

It was awesome for Sony.But a lot of people were burned by Spider-man 3 and I don't think the Fourth installment will make as much as previous films.

What "lot of people"? You must mean Venom fanboys, because the mainstream audience responded to SM3 to the tune of nearly $900 million dollars.

[venom892]

No not just Venom Fanboys most non comic book fans i talk to besides kids didn't like the movie.But maybe that's just in my neck of the woods.

[venom892]

Isn't that part of the same problem that we ran into with Venom in Part 3? People were excited about Venom appearing in the film, and he received like 15 mins of screentime at the very end of the movie. ouch.

I dont think Sony would want to repeat the same mistake twice.I think he is being sarcastic.:o

[Carlo Comicus]

I want only a villain in Spider-Man 4. And I hope this is Lizard. Curt Connors it's a great character. It's full of tragedy and drama. I want him!!!

[Hobgoblin-demon]

No not just Venom Fanboys most non comic book fans i talk to besides kids didn't like the movie.But maybe that's just in my neck of the woods.

It must be just in your neck of the woods considering that everyone I talk to besides comic fans loved the movie, some even said it was way better than the first 2. Considering that it also recieved a 6.5 on IMDB, (making it still a good movie) I'd say it was just fanboys.

[Boom]

If people can suspend their belief enough to accept a man made entirely of sand, then I'm sure they'll take a lizard man with ease.

I'm honestly surprised this is an issue. It's Spider-Man for Christ's sake.

[venom892]

If people can suspend their belief enough to accept a man made entirely of sand, then I'm sure they'll take a lizard man with ease.

I'm honestly surprised this is an issue. It's Spider-Man for Christ's sake.That's what I've been trying to say.:o

[Iceburgeruk]

It must be just in your neck of the woods considering that everyone I talk to besides comic fans loved the movie, some even said it was way better than the first 2. Considering that it also recieved a 6.5 on IMDB, (making it still a good movie) I'd say it was just fanboys.

Most people i know like it but thought like me that the villains were underdeveloped especially in the case of venom. Enjoyable but disapponitingly cluttered.

[Road Warrior]

Let's talk about Dylan Baker for a second. That's the actors name, right? I'm a little concerned about him. He's a good actor and I can definitely see him pulling off the dramatic scenes, but I honestly can't picture him doing action. The thought of him fighting Spider-Man is humorus. This is, after all, the guy who got kicked out of a bus in that Chris Rock movie.

[venom892]

Why would he do action scenes?The Lizard would be CGI i believe.

[thejon93]

Why would he do action scenes?The Lizard would be CGI i believe.
I'd personally like to see them do The Lizard, kind of like how they did Sammuel from 'Hellboy'(live-actor inside suit; CG-double for unhumanly impossible tasks).

[Catman]

Why would he do action scenes?The Lizard would be CGI i believe.

I highly doubt that Raimi will go full CGI. Not even Venom was full CG. Raimi will use CG for Lizard but only for certain scenes. The rest will be make-up and costumes.

[SamuraiSon6]

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4336/spiderman4n.jpg

i posted this over in the manips thread too, thought i would place it here to just to stir up more lizard talk!

[thejon93]

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4336/spiderman4n.jpg

i posted this over in the manips thread too, thought i would place it here to just to stir up more lizard talk!
Pretty cool. But it would've been better if you were able to make him stand up-right and possibly make him smaller. But still, a nice manip.

[SamuraiSon6]

yeah, the boards seem to be pretty split as to whether he should go "full reptilian" in terms of walking and be more dinosaur like or if he should have a more humanoid skeleton with with lizard features. i think i will try the latter now

[AIRWOLF]

The Lizard should be a humanoid creature, retaining some of its human skeletal structures and the ability to talk for better part of the movie. If he were to be a fully grown reptilian creature with no human characteristics, than he would just be a monster like in one of those B monster movies. I think it's important for him to be able to talk somewhat. Perhaps it could go this way, start out as a humanoid lizard who gradually transforms into a mindless beast towards the end, having no Dr. Connors in it at all.

[SamuraiSon6]

yeah, someone brought up that idea in the manips thread, too, i like that the more i think about it. gives you the ability to have dramatic tension between spiderman and dr connors, but eventually get a full out fight with a full fledged monster

[Catman]

Is there a risk of audiences laughing if Spider-Man is fighting a dinosaur?

[NewYorkSpider]

yeah, the boards seem to be pretty split as to whether he should go "full reptilian" in terms of walking and be more dinosaur like or if he should have a more humanoid skeleton with with lizard features. i think i will try the latter now

I hope they make him close to this. Maybe re-work the mouth a little bit with sharper teeth.

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv187/NewYorkSpider/TheLizard.jpg

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Well, I'm thinknig they mgiht make him like that, but with a more modern loo kto it and maybe they'll make him look a bit like Macfarlane's lizard or something.

[SamuraiSon6]

I hope they make him close to this. Maybe re-work the mouth a little bit with sharper teeth.

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv187/NewYorkSpider/TheLizard.jpg

i would imagine that this is the version sam will recognize. that said, GG and doc ock dont look exactly like their comic counterparts, but i think he will stay classic lizard, i dont think we will get a reinvention like the overdone MTV animated series where he looked like a alien/godzilla hyrid

[thejon93]

^^ Well, I'm thinknig they mgiht make him like that, but with a more modern loo kto it and maybe they'll make him look a bit like Macfarlane's lizard or something.
Well, it'd sure be a plus for them to make The Lizard closely simular to that so they can pull off a body-suit for teh actor to work in when the character isn't flying around the room or involved in a fight sequence.

[RaZaTrOn]

Someone said about the Lizard transformation being a progress through the film. From that i got a cool idea of him showering (when he has his arm back and is still human early on) and as he scrubs himself his skin starts to shed.

[thejon93]

Someone said about the Lizard transformation being a progress through the film. From that i got a cool idea of him showering (when he has his arm back and is still human early on) and as he scrubs himself his skin starts to shed.
That'd cool pretty coolhttp://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

[SpaceWay2009]

The Lizard should be a humanoid creature, retaining some of its human skeletal structures and the ability to talk for better part of the movie. If he were to be a fully grown reptilian creature with no human characteristics, than he would just be a monster like in one of those B monster movies. I think it's important for him to be able to talk somewhat. Perhaps it could go this way, start out as a humanoid lizard who gradually transforms into a mindless beast towards the end, having no Dr. Connors in it at all.I agree. Great idea. :up:

The Lizard should appear both human and dinosaur-like, if you know what I mean. He should stand like a human and have the human skeletal structure, and have lizard features, such as claws, sharp teeth, rough/thick hide, etc. If done right, the audience should not laugh about the fact that Spider-Man is fighting a dinosaur. :word:

[BobJM]

(from unused Spider-Man 2 Video Game scenes):

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8499/e39ja2.jpg

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3326/e310jb4.jpg

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/5991/010gm9.jpg

This is how I want to see the Lizard in SM4. Not a Jurassic Park raptor, but a mutated man with reptilian attributes.

[SpaceWay2009]

To Bob: Nice pictures! Lizard should definitely look something like that! I could imagine seeing this on the big screen...gives me the chill.

[Reikowolf]

if they have two villains for SM4 and one of them is Lizard, the other should be Kraven.

It would make sense for the plot as big game like the lizard would bring Kraven to NY. Kraven would not be superpowered but an excellent hunter. Plus it would be cool to see Spidey against a non-physical enemy, where he has to use his intelligence to defeat him. that way they can even cast Kraven as an older actor..

[Symbiote666]

Thing is, if they go for too much of a humanoid Lizard, they could end up repeating their take on Venom. He seemed far more animalistic than his comic counterpart, with the jumping from 4 legs, screaming and the claws.

[Venom'sDad]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s59/Venom897/AmazingSpider-Man313.jpg

http://www.kaweah.com/images/lizard_man.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4336/spiderman4n.jpg

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv187/NewYorkSpider/TheLizard.jpg

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3326/e310jb4.jpg

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/5991/010gm9.jpg
You know, I'm beginning to wonder if the Lizard will ever be a villain in a Spidey film. That Dr. Connors may just be a recurring role for scientific advise, to explain howthe villains become, and/or their weaknesses.

In a live action film, I'm not sure if they can realistically pull it off without it getting kinda cheezy. Once Sandman went silica, he remain. I imagine Sam will have recurring transformation back & forth between human & reptile.

Unless Lizard stays Lizard throughout the film, and the serum wears off after a number of days(like in my story). I don't understand why after the first incident would Connors test the serum on himself again.

If Sam have a legitimate way of going back & forth between transformations, than fine. But, I don't see Connors making that mistake twice, so Lizard would have to remain Lizard throughout the film, after the initial transformation. Otherwise, Lizard may not be the villain.

IDK....

[Project862006]

there would be no need to change his look really his costume is pretty straight forward and basic lol

[co2]

I'm psyched, because The Lizard, next to Ock and Venom, has always been one of my favorite Spidey villains. He's probably the one that is most connected to Peter in the comics because they have a genuine friendship and Peter looks up to him. That's something that Raimi put into Osborn and Octavius in the films, that never really existed in the comics. Plus, next to Venom, the Lizard is the best match for Spidey's strength, speed and agility...and he's more ferocious. For his look, I think it would be good visually and dramatically to have him start more humanoid and grow more and more reptillian as the film progresses.
This movie has potential. If they throw in Kraven and have some elements of Kraven's Last Hunt, this might be the best Spidey movie....that is, if they use Lizard.

I mean...just make the movie like this! lol

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or this...

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or...

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[Secret_Riddle]

I assume the movie's villain will be The Lizard. They have been teasing it since Spidey 2!

I would assume that your assumption is correct:oldrazz:.

To be honest, with such a great background character already established, Raimi could do great things with the Lizard.

My only slight gripe is that..obviously Connor's will be a tragic hero..like Green Goblin(sorta)..and Sandman..and Doc Ock...and Harry..you get my drift.

I'm not complaining per say..but instead of retreading the formula again, I think it would be best for Raimi to introduce a new character (my preference is Vulture), who is without a doubt a villain along side the Lizard..if for no other reason then to create an effective contrast between them.
Thematically it's a strong idea as well.

The theme of 4 could easily be something surrounding unnaturalness and the interference with nature, and the inability to be satisfied with the hands we are dealt.

The theme would resonate well with:

Peter Parker: His quest to accept nature's hand and balance his responsibilities with his needs (I feel this theme wasn't been fully explored Spider-Man 2)

The Lizard and Vulture: Both unnaturally try to better themselves for their own means. In the Vulture's case he is simply trying to unnaturally strengthen himself for his own power and criminal needs. In terms of the Lizard, he unnaturally tries to restore himself to a healthier, happier state. Their plots would both affect and interconnect with each other, and in the end Vultures actions would lead to his destruction, whereas the Lizard would learn, through his own destructive path as well as his disgust at the lack of humanity within the Vulture (and not to mention help from Peter Parker/ Spider-Man), a lesson that could lead him to his salvation.

Throw Spider-Man somewhere in there a little bit more..add in a cool city- threatening scheme and throw some main characters in some real danger (maybe even kill off someone unexpected) and there you have it..

I mean I'm not Sam Raimi..but if I can find cool possibilities..I'm excited to see what he's going to do with all this potential.

So yah...I like the Lizard.

[THE LIZARD#1]

I personally think those who are having a hard time seeing the Lizard on the silver screen don’t really know the character that well. I’ve grown up with the Lizard since I was a little kid and I can honestly tell you he has loads of potential.

I think Sam Raimi is the man to harness that potential. I’m hoping the Lizard is the only villain in Spider-Man 4, but from what Dylan Baker has said about the talks he has had with Raimi, there seems to be something else brewing.

In an interview last year Dylan Baker was asked “Who is your favorite super hero?” He responded with “Well I know technically he isn’t considered a super hero, but with Sam’s vision I’d have to say The Lizard.”

The Lizard is a very tragic tale that chain reacts to a bunch of different people. This affects Peter, Martha, Billy, and Curt. You could also have a driving force behind Curt Connors research into regrowing his arm. In the comics he regrew it because Martha wouldn’t get used to not having the right arm to hold her.

Can you imagine the powerful scenes of Billy running into the house to get his baseball glove says hi to his dad who inquires “Where are you off to in a hurry?” and Billy says he is going to play baseball. Curt then looks out the window and sees another father throwing around a baseball with Billy and his friend.

That would be a very tragic scene showing this fathers pain that he can’t play with his kid like a normal dad. Curt then tries to re-grow his arm using his brilliance, only to fall further down the spiral. From not being able to have a right arm to not having a right arm but a condition that mutates him into a mindless monster.

I think the Lizard definitely has a lot of potential. :liz:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3455/3354799339_948d79f4d8_o.png
CREDIT: Hobo123 Lizard concept

[SpaceWay2009]

I personally think those who are having a hard time seeing the Lizard on the silver screen don’t really know the character that well. I’ve grown up with the Lizard since I was a little kid and I can honestly tell you he has loads of potential.

I think Sam Raimi is the man to harness that potential. I’m hoping the Lizard is the only villain in Spider-Man 4, but from what Dylan Baker has said about the talks he has had with Raimi, there seems to be something else brewing.

In an interview last year Dylan Baker was asked “Who is your favorite super hero?” He responded with “Well I know technically he isn’t considered a super hero, but with Sam’s vision I’d have to say The Lizard.”

The Lizard is a very tragic tale that chain reacts to a bunch of different people. This affects Peter, Martha, Billy, and Curt. You could also have a driving force behind Curt Connors research into regrowing his arm. In the comics he regrew it because Martha wouldn’t get used to not having the right arm to hold her.

Can you imagine the powerful scenes of Billy running into the house to get his baseball glove says hi to his dad who inquires “Where are you off to in a hurry?” and Billy says he is going to play baseball. Curt then looks out the window and sees another father throwing around a baseball with Billy and his friend.

That would be a very tragic scene showing this fathers pain that he can’t play with his kid like a normal dad. Curt then tries to re-grow his arm using his brilliance, only to fall further down the spiral. From not being able to have a right arm to not having a right arm but a condition that mutates him into a mindless monster.

I think the Lizard definitely has a lot of potential. :liz:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3455/3354799339_948d79f4d8_o.png
CREDIT: Hobo123 Lizard concept:up:

[VenomVsSpidey]

I think the Lizard definitely has a lot of potential. :liz:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3455/3354799339_948d79f4d8_o.png
CREDIT: Hobo123 Lizard concept[/quote]


very true...and a great poster by Hobo123, just looks a bit much like a trex...

[Spiderine]

I personally think those who are having a hard time seeing the Lizard on the silver screen don’t really know the character that well. I’ve grown up with the Lizard since I was a little kid and I can honestly tell you he has loads of potential.

I think Sam Raimi is the man to harness that potential. I’m hoping the Lizard is the only villain in Spider-Man 4, but from what Dylan Baker has said about the talks he has had with Raimi, there seems to be something else brewing.

In an interview last year Dylan Baker was asked “Who is your favorite super hero?” He responded with “Well I know technically he isn’t considered a super hero, but with Sam’s vision I’d have to say The Lizard.”

The Lizard is a very tragic tale that chain reacts to a bunch of different people. This affects Peter, Martha, Billy, and Curt. You could also have a driving force behind Curt Connors research into regrowing his arm. In the comics he regrew it because Martha wouldn’t get used to not having the right arm to hold her.

Can you imagine the powerful scenes of Billy running into the house to get his baseball glove says hi to his dad who inquires “Where are you off to in a hurry?” and Billy says he is going to play baseball. Curt then looks out the window and sees another father throwing around a baseball with Billy and his friend.

That would be a very tragic scene showing this fathers pain that he can’t play with his kid like a normal dad. Curt then tries to re-grow his arm using his brilliance, only to fall further down the spiral. From not being able to have a right arm to not having a right arm but a condition that mutates him into a mindless monster.

I think the Lizard definitely has a lot of potential. :liz:

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CREDIT: Hobo123 Lizard concept
If they had some similarities in this look for Lizard for the movie that would be excellent.

[Project862006]

i am hoping he will not become the sympathetic villain like sandman/goblin/doc ock/ it would be a good change for him to be beyond fixing

[SpeterMan3]

But the Lizard is the perfect sympathetic villain. It's hard to make him unsympathetic, with his family and whatnot.

[Spiderine]

I would totally expect Connors to be sympathetic. The one villain that should be.

[The Slang]

If you can accept a person being exposed to green gas and gaining super powers, Lizard will be fine.

People have been exposed to synthesized gases for the purpose of human performance enhancing.

If you can accept a man being fused to robot arms (with built in A.I), Lizard will be fine.

People have been 'fused' to robotic arms/devices with built in software and automatic functions... I guess that's not technically AI but you get my point.

and a man binding to an alien organism from the far reaches of space

Have you spoken to any scientologists lately?

Alright, I understand that few if any of the situations in spider-man are capable of re-occuring in real life. But I'm shocked that some fans don't realize how many of the concepts are actual scientific possibilities.

We could right now, engineer a human-lizard with all the physical and mental attributes of the spider-man 'villain'.

We could also incorporate certain animal genes into a person to create abilities that mirror spider-mans. The most unrealistic part of the story is not the character and what they are, its the idea that they could undergo this transformation by accident, or part way through life without an artifical mutagen.

I'm sorry it just pains me to hear someone say that the lizard is just as believable as strength enhancing gas... I mean c'mon.

[co2]

I would totally expect Connors to be sympathetic. The one villain that should be.

Precisely. That's integral to his character. In fact, I think Raimi stole that quality from Connors and put it into Octavius for 2.

[BobJM]

Raimi gave Lizard's wife to Doc Ock and his kid to Sandman.

Hopefully Lizard doesn't feel like a retread

[The Joker]

What's all this bull dust about Lizard's qualities being lost to Octavius and Sandman?

Curt Conners has a loving wife AND a child. Ock had no kids, and Sandman was estranged from his wife. Curt Conners was working to regrow his arm. Not build a fusion reactor. Doc Ock's wife was killed as a result of his reckless behaviour before he became a villain. Conners family are placed in danger after he becomes a villain. And they never died.

It's a whole different dynamic there. The REAL problem is Curt Conners' profession in the movies. "I'm a physicist not a biologist". WTF? Conners is a biologist in the comics. Did it escape Raimi's notice? How else does he experiment with Lizard DNA? I dunno why Raimi did that.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I personally think those who are having a hard time seeing the Lizard on the silver screen don’t really know the character that well. I’ve grown up with the Lizard since I was a little kid and I can honestly tell you he has loads of potential.

I think Sam Raimi is the man to harness that potential. I’m hoping the Lizard is the only villain in Spider-Man 4, but from what Dylan Baker has said about the talks he has had with Raimi, there seems to be something else brewing.

In an interview last year Dylan Baker was asked “Who is your favorite super hero?” He responded with “Well I know technically he isn’t considered a super hero, but with Sam’s vision I’d have to say The Lizard.”

The Lizard is a very tragic tale that chain reacts to a bunch of different people. This affects Peter, Martha, Billy, and Curt. You could also have a driving force behind Curt Connors research into regrowing his arm. In the comics he regrew it because Martha wouldn’t get used to not having the right arm to hold her.

Can you imagine the powerful scenes of Billy running into the house to get his baseball glove says hi to his dad who inquires “Where are you off to in a hurry?” and Billy says he is going to play baseball. Curt then looks out the window and sees another father throwing around a baseball with Billy and his friend.

That would be a very tragic scene showing this fathers pain that he can’t play with his kid like a normal dad. Curt then tries to re-grow his arm using his brilliance, only to fall further down the spiral. From not being able to have a right arm to not having a right arm but a condition that mutates him into a mindless monster.

I think the Lizard definitely has a lot of potential. :liz:

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CREDIT: Hobo123 Lizard concept Very well said. :up:

[SpeterMan3]

It's a whole different dynamic there. The REAL problem is Curt Conners' profession in the movies. "I'm a physicist not a biologist". WTF? Conners is a biologist in the comics. Did it escape Raimi's notice? How else does he experiment with Lizard DNA? I dunno why Raimi did that.
Umm... maybe so when he tries messing with the DNA, he has no idea what he's doing, and makes a huge mistake and goes all :liz:

Or maybe Raimi just goofed...

[Venom'sDad]

I don't think anyone is arguing if the villain is sympathetic or have great potential & story. We all know the story & history behind Connors and the Lizard.

The question is how can he pull it off without it being cheezy. This would be the first time we see a live action animalistic beastly humanzoid fighting and causing havoc, with the backdrop of Spiderman. We have never scene such feature in and comicbook film. This will be a first and is Sam up for it. We are not talking about slow moving Slee-Stack.

None off us knows what Sam has in mind. As been said many times, he has already changed Dr. Connors profession. I never dreamed, just because Sandman became a giant, he would become so slow and lumbering. We know what we hope to see; however, that does not guarantee what we will see.

As far as Connors being sympathetic.... why is that a must. For him to be sympathetic, I would think him becoming Lizard would have tragic consequence toward someone dear to his being or be the result of trying to do for someone dear to his being.

In the films, Sandman became because of the love for his daughter. DocOck became tragic because of the loss of his wife. Do anyone expect anything tragic to happen to Curt's family? They are not in need for help...he's trying to help himself. I don't see any potential harm towards the family. I just see emotional concern for Curt by his family. What sympathetic about that?

I would love to see Lizard and I expect the CGI to be mind blowing; but, I'm not so convinced we are going to get anything close, at least, to what we all wish to see. Certainly, after Batman, Ironman, and TIH... I'm not sure what his approach will be either, nor do anyone. We may not even get Lizard. We are the ones that feel he's the next logical villain. I certainly never thought Venom would be in 3....

:liz: Here's hoping for the best.

[Spiderine]

As far as Connors being sympathetic.... why is that a must. For him to be sympathetic, I would think him becoming Lizard would have tragic consequence toward someone dear to his being or be the result of trying to do for someone dear to his being.

Do anyone expect anything tragic to happen to Curt's family? They are not in need for help...he's trying to help himself. I don't see any potential harm towards the family. I just see emotional concern for Curt by his family. What sympathetic about that?



:liz: Here's hoping for the best.
You don't see the potential harm to his family? Mom is in the kitchen cooking and son is in the front room playing video games and dad comes out the bathroom now tranformed into a mindless giant reptilian beast. Unless he is a nice Lizard I would say they are in danger.

[SpeterMan3]

Yep, there's a huge chance of physical and emotional harm, especially to Billy.

[Venom'sDad]

You don't see the potential harm to his family? Mom is in the kitchen cooking and son is in the front room playing video games and dad comes out the bathroom now tranformed into a mindless giant reptilian beast. Unless he is a nice Lizard I would say they are in danger.

LOL, well why would he transform into a mindless giant reptile in the bathroom; unless squeezing out waste cause his transformation, and he raving because little Jimmy didn't put a new role of toilet paper in there.... than yes, I can see your point. ;)

On the other hand, I think any transformation would take place in the lab. But who knows, I just don't see him trying to harm his family. I don't think that's what Sam have in mind. I just see an overly emotional wife with a concern child.I think his family may be slightly more prevalent in this film than Sandman's was. It will be more about Peter & MJ as always, and the two villains he said would be in the film.

[Spiderine]

LOL, well why would he transform into a mindless giant reptile in the bathroom; unless squeezing out waste cause his transformation, and he raving because little Jimmy didn't put a new role of toilet paper in there.... than yes, I can see your point. ;)

On the other hand, I think any transformation would take place in the lab. But who knows, I just don't see him trying to harm his family. I don't think that's what Sam have in mind. I just see an overly emotional wife with a concern child.I think his family may be slightly more prevalent in this film than Sandman's was. It will be more about Peter & MJ as always, and the two villains he said would be in the film.
You would be surprised at what happens in some households when one does not replace the toilet paper. Certain transformations do take place.;)


Anyways, the point is if the complete transformation were to take place in their presence there can be a psychological and physical danger for their well being and would probably take the intervention of Spiderman to help. You can't help but feel a certain amount of sympathy for Connors. He is no longer in control and is no longer making the choices of his actions. There will always be the concern if they will ever see him return home to a normal life and even if he survives since the city would be out to capture or kill him. How is that not sympathetic?

There is also the matter of his relationship to Peter. He is a mentor and a friend. And it means a lot to Peter to help him return to normal. He is obviously the victim of an experiment gone horribly wrong at the expense of simply trying to restore a limb. Anything else would be a drastic change.

[Venom'sDad]

You would be surprised at what happens in some households when one does not replace the toilet paper. Certain transformations do take place.;)


Anyways, the point is if the complete transformation were to take place in their presence there can be a psychological and physical danger for their well being and would probably take the intervention of Spiderman to help. You can't help but feel a certain amount of sympathy for Connors. He is no longer in control and is no longer making the choices of his actions. There will always be the concern if they will ever see him return home to a normal life and even if he survives since the city would be out to capture or kill him. How is that not sympathetic?

There is also the matter of his relationship to Peter. He is a mentor and a friend. And it means a lot to Peter to help him return to normal. He is obviously the victim of an experiment gone horribly wrong at the expense of simply trying to restore a limb. Anything else would be a drastic change.

Well, I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves. First, we don't know what kind of beast Sam will deliver. He man not be a mindless reptile. Second, we don't know where the transformation will take place or if it will a recurring event or just remain throughout the coarse of the film. Third, Peter already have had close ones to either lose their life or come close to it; so, I think most will be somewhat immune to the same dribble. Finally, Sam has already used Connor's family story in the form of Otto and Flint; so, I don't know what would change.

Now, your point is valid and I'm sure we will get some of what you suggest... particularly the psychological aspect of it. Reasons why I say an overly emotional wife with a concern child. I just don't see much more than that.

One other aspect of this, who the other villain is. Most tend to suggest Kraven; but that is not a given as well. With that said, the event with him and his family may revolve around that as well. Who knows.

[shigsy2003]

The Lizard has got to be the villian in the next film. But he also needs Kraven in there with him. Imagine the fight scenes. While Kraven is trying to hunt his prey, Spider-Man is trying to prevent the Lizard killing him and Kraven, while preventing Kraven killing the Lizard and trying to survive himself. Okay so the scientist bad guy is nothing new in this franchise but we have the added twist of a villian who only half the time hates Spider-Man.

[Spiderine]

Well, I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves. First, we don't know what kind of beast Sam will deliver. He man not be a mindless reptile. Second, we don't know where the transformation will take place or if it will a recurring event or just remain throughout the coarse of the film. Third, Peter already have had close ones to either lose their life or come close to it; so, I think most will be somewhat immune to the same dribble. Finally, Sam has already used Connor's family story in the form of Otto and Flint; so, I don't know what would change.

Hmm, I see. Well if the Lizard is on the rampage puting people in harm's way and Dr Connors is fully in control of his actions then that puts an entirely different spin on the situation. My question is why would he do that? If that is Raimi's approach then it's not a very good one.

Whether or not the transformation is a permanent state or alternating one remains to be seen but the fact that he still needs to be cured is what is at issue.

As far as the comparisons to Flint and Otto, there are major differences. Yes, Otto had a wife he loved dearly and vice versa but we never saw the emotional effects his accident had on her since she was dead. Flint and his wife were separated and she wanted absolutely nothing to do with the bomb. She hated his guts. Connors would be a man with a wife and child who loves and cares deeply for him and we would see how the ordeal involves them as a family. That's the biggest difference.

Peter has seen death all around him by now. That doesn't mean that he no longer cares when someone else close to him is in danger. That is what he is suppose to do. He uses his powers to at the very least prevent people from getting hurt.

[The Lizard]

I've been let down too many times over the last 9 years to even start hoping that the Lizard will be in SM4. :csad:

I'll wait until the official villain announcements start coming before I even think about it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I've been let down too many times over the last 9 years to even start hoping that the Lizard will be in SM4. :csad:

I'll wait until the official villain announcements start coming before I even think about it. HOnestly, I think we'll see him in this film. I mean, he's been developed very well in this franchise so far, so I wouldn't be extremely surprised if we see him. I'd be VERY VERY happy if he's the Villian, actually. :up:

[Venom'sDad]

Hmm, I see. Well if the Lizard is on the rampage puting people in harm's way and Dr Connors is fully in control of his actions then that puts an entirely different spin on the situation. My question is why would he do that? If that is Raimi's approach then it's not a very good one.
That's not the approach I was referring to.... that would be a big mistake. I was speaking more of a Jekyll/Hyde scenario... we don't know what kind of beast Sam has in mind. Will it be like Jekyll & Hyde or will it be a Lizard that Connors semi controls and is struggling with losing control. Sam is not beyond creating his own adaptation.

Whether or not the transformation is a permanent state or alternating one remains to be seen but the fact that he still needs to be cured is what is at issue.He may not need to be cured... we don't know. If you read "Spidey Story" in my sig, you will see apossible solution to counter the obvious "find a cure, get an antidote" solution, that we know will be prevalent in the story.

As far as the comparisons to Flint and Otto, there are major differences. Yes, Otto had a wife he loved dearly and vice versa but we never saw the emotional effects his accident had on her since she was dead. Flint and his wife were separated and she wanted absolutely nothing to do with the bomb. She hated his guts. Connors would be a man with a wife and child who loves and cares deeply for him and we would see how the ordeal involves them as a family. That's the biggest difference.That's not the angle I was coming from; so you half right as far as Otto and the loving wife. The similarity with Sandman, imo, will be the child. However, you are right, Otto's wife is dead; so the GA didn't see how that would play into it when Otto became DocOck. Yet we have seen that in many ways with Spidey and MJ... so to speak. And the child, the helpless child who just loves & wants her dad... how is Franklin going to be any difference.

Peter has seen death all around him by now. That doesn't mean that he no longer cares when someone else close to him is in danger. That is what he is suppose to do. He uses his powers to at the very least prevent people from getting hurt.I'm not arguing that... I'm just saying, it's getting tiresome. He has quit once because of it, and because he WANTS to be normal, he takes his mask off, so who don't know who he is...Sandman certainly knows, "hey... you're the guy who takes pictures of Spiderman for the Bugle. Why you..." Especially if DocOck comes back.

My point being... he's his own problem. He is putting close ones in danger because of his own actions. WTFing purpose of him wearing a mask? Sam backing himself in a corner with his thoughtless writing.

[TheSlag]

It's a whole different dynamic there. The REAL problem is Curt Conners' profession in the movies. "I'm a physicist not a biologist". WTF? Conners is a biologist in the comics. Did it escape Raimi's notice? How else does he experiment with Lizard DNA? I dunno why Raimi did that.

Agreed. One of many stupid mis-steps by our Dear Ole Sam. You know, the guy who is the BIG Spider-Man fan.:whatever:

*Sheesh*

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ It's his interpretation though. I don't know of many directors (except Zack Snyder) that pull every single thing from the comics and put them on film. Sam is just adding/changing things for his films while still staying true to the comics with things.

[SpideyTheBest]

There's a lizard model behind Connors when he talks to Peter on the phone. I'm sure everyone has noticed that a long time ago but I'm just saying. It was a nice reference.

But yeah I don't know why Connors claims to be a physicist and not a biologist. What were Raimi actually thinking? I'm telling you, he was taking drugs while doing Spider-Man 3.

[TheSlag]

^^ It's his interpretation though. I don't know of many directors (except Zack Snyder) that pull every single thing from the comics and put them on film. Sam is just adding/changing things for his films while still staying true to the comics with things.

For Crying out loud... When you look up Raimi Apologist in the Dictionary your picture must be front and center. :woot:

Uncle Ben killer is Sandman... check.. no problem
MJ = GweMJ creation... check... no problem

I bet Sam could "interput" the Clone Saga, and you would even love that.

[Spider-ManHero12]

For Crying out loud... When you look up Raimi Apologist in the Dictionary your picture must be front and center. :woot:

Uncle Ben killer is Sandman... check.. no problem
MJ = GweMJ creation... check... no problem

I bet Sam could "interput" the Clone Saga, and you would even love that. That's BS. I don't see how me saying "it's his interpretation" is sucking up to him. Was Sam's Peter parker just like the comics? No, but what is fact is that he changed it up a bit to fit into his spidey film universe.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Something I don't understand is how Spider-ManHero12 created a double standard in the "This movie will make a lot of money" thread by saying that Chris Nolan could possibly fail with Batman 3 & make a bad movie whilst saying Raimi's SM-4 would be a surefire hit. Stop riding his cottails and accept that everything he makes isn't gold. I liked SM-3 but he dropped the ball greatly/ I'm not sucking up to him. Also, the same can be said about Nolan's Bat universe. Also, you may say that it's odd for me to say S-M4 is going to be a surefire hit, which, I didn't say it was, but do you actually think Batman 3 has a great chance of being good? Every movie has a chance of doing bad. Spider-Man 4 could be a terrible film, but it could also be a great movie. Batman 3 could be a terrible film, but it could also be a great movie. For some reason (with all due respect. I'm not trying to sound mean, trust me), you seem to be annoyed with how you think I'm sucking up to Sam, but honestly, since July 18th the most sucking up I've seen is to Chris Nolan. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's true. People think he could direct anything, but I don't hear any complaining about that.

Let's get back on topic, shall we?

[TheSlag]

That's BS. I don't see how me saying "it's his interpretation" is sucking up to him. Was Sam's Peter parker just like the comics? No, but what is fact is that he changed it up a bit to fit into his spidey film universe.

Cry and complain all you want, but I think you have shown your biased and true opinion with your many posts here. All glorifying any and everything that Sam & Co have done.

With your unwillingness to even see any faults with the movies, and your Pom Pom waving, your opinions hold little value to me.

And you say "changed it up a "BIT"? to fit into "HIS"? spidey film universe... and in the same breath "YOU"? call him a fan and a true champion of Spider-Man???

Wow.. ur too much. But I fear you are quite young too, so I should probably just go back to ignoring your posts.

"My bad" :cwink:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Cry and complain all you want, but I think you have shown your biased and true opinion with your many posts here. All glorifying any and everything that Sam & Co have done.

With your unwillingness to even see any faults with the movies, and your Pom Pom waving, your opinions hold little value to me.

And you say "changed it up a "BIT"? to fit into "HIS"? spidey film universe... and in the same breath "YOU"? call him a fan and a true champion of Spider-Man???

Wow.. ur too much. But I fear you are quite young too, so I should probably just go back to ignoring your posts.

"My bad" :cwink: Quite young? You see, I don't get you, it's usually the people who hate Raimi that do this, btw. If you don't like him, then why are you here? It's all the same. Stay out if you hate him. also, If i was sucking up to Sam, then how come I don't think Venom's screen time was perfect? EVERY film has flaws. I haven't seen one flawless film.

Funny thing is, you probably think every one of my posts are about Raimi and these movies, which is not true. I post in the comics section, Misc. film section, etc.

[Spiderine]

That's not the angle I was coming from; so you half right as far as Otto and the loving wife. The similarity with Sandman, imo, will be the child. However, you are right, Otto's wife is dead; so the GA didn't see how that would play into it when Otto became DocOck. Yet we have seen that in many ways with Spidey and MJ... so to speak. And the child, the helpless child who just loves & wants her dad... how is Franklin going to be any difference.



Well hopefully they can do a genuine story with more depth and meaning in regards to Connors and his family and not the half@ss garbage they gave us in SM3 with its many subplots. I hate to even refer to some of the things we witnessed in that movie. I would totally enjoy a story that is the focal point involving Connor's family and how it affects Peter and his personal life. However I totally agree with you on how they have written this francise into a corner with certain characters.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well hopefully they can do a genuine story with more depth and meaning in regards to Connors and his family and not the half@ss garbage they gave us in SM3 with its many subplots. I hate to even refer to some of the things we witnessed in that movie. I would totally enjoy a story that is the focal point involving Connor's family and how it affects Peter and his personal life. However I totally agree with you on how they have written this francise into a corner with certain characters. I think that would really play a good part in the sympathetic side with Connors. I think seeing the Lizard go so out of control to the point where he grabs his wife and is about to kill her would work. Then, before he actually tries to kill her, he realizes what he's doing and puts her down.

[ronny]

I think that a Lizard/Spiderman battle in the sewers would be amazingly tense. With Spidey on the defensive and being hunted through the filthy tunnels. I really can't wait!
Plus, The Lizard was my favourite villain when I first started reading Spider-Man. So I'm hyped to see how they'll do him.

[Venom'sDad]

Well hopefully they can do a genuine story with more depth and meaning in regards to Connors and his family and not the half@ss garbage they gave us in SM3 with its many subplots. I hate to even refer to some of the things we witnessed in that movie. I would totally enjoy a story that is the focal point involving Connor's family and how it affects Peter and his personal life. However I totally agree with you on how they have written this francise into a corner with certain characters.

Well, there was a story at one time, that suggest that Sony was considering shooting Spidey 4&5 back-2-back. Than there was another story that someone posted a link to, that appear to contradict the previous. I say all of that say this. One problem I have with the highlighted statement, I'm not sure Sam can do it in one film... first, without it appearing rushed like Eddie Brock's story. It needs time to develop along the way... the complexes of an impactful relationship. Second, some other event or situation would have to fill screen time while the relationship is being developed. Which mean, Lizard would have to appear much later to fill the impact on Peter's life.

I have always contended, if Sony was doing back-2-back films, Sam would take the approach that you have suggested; as well, go into more detail with Connors experiments leading to Lizard in Spidey5. Lizard would not be the villain in Spidey4. Connor's pre-Lizard story still needs more development imo. We have yet to see his family or hear anything obtaining to any experiments. To do it not would be rushed, to fill time gaps.

This is why I say, I wouldn't be so sure that Lizard is the next villain... and if so, I'm not so sure his family would play a major role. They would probably be more like an appearence... like Sandman's family. Understand, although Connors name or appearence have been in all films, Sam has not really set-up Connors to become Lizard. Connors have just made appearences.... we know he's there. That's all.

[TheSlag]

Quite young? You see, I don't get you, it's usually the people who hate Raimi that do this, btw. If you don't like him, then why are you here? It's all the same. Stay out if you hate him. also, If i was sucking up to Sam, then how come I don't think Venom's screen time was perfect? EVERY film has flaws. I haven't seen one flawless film.

Funny thing is, you probably think every one of my posts are about Raimi and these movies, which is not true. I post in the comics section, Misc. film section, etc.

LOL... STAY OUT IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIM!!! And to think I actually thouught you were young or immature. :whatever:

Wow.. What's next, you gonna take your ball and go home if we DO NOT play by your rules? Wait, I know, Run and Tell Mama.

Yu're the living definition of what is wrong with this site, the Moderators, and WHY good posters like Visionary and others have been banned or do not post here any more. Go wave your Pom Poms at someone else.

[Spider-ManHero12]

LOL... STAY OUT IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIM!!! And to think I actually thouught you were young or immature. :whatever:

Wow.. What's next, you gonna take your ball and go home if we DO NOT play by your rules? Wait, I know, Run and Tell Mama.

Yu're the living definition of what is wrong with this site, the Moderators, and WHY good posters like Visionary and others have been banned or do not post here any more. Go wave your Pom Poms at someone else. I think you're the living defenition of what's wrong with this site. You and all those other freakin trolls.

[SpeterMan3]

So...










How bout that Lizard?

:liz:

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Yeah, sorry, let's get back on topic.

[SpeterMan3]

Lol

[Spiderine]

This is why I say, I wouldn't be so sure that Lizard is the next villain... and if so, I'm not so sure his family would play a major role. They would probably be more like an appearence... like Sandman's family. Understand, although Connors name or appearence have been in all films, Sam has not really set-up Connors to become Lizard. Connors have just made appearences.... we know he's there. That's all.

Had they decided to do this back to back then I could very well understand a gradual buildup of Lizard experiments in the first movie because of the enormous time they could use. I actually thought filming both films was a great idea. However it seems they won't.

I think Connors' family will have a bigger role in terms of the impact it will have on them along with Spiderman's intervention. Other than using Sandman's daughter as a plot device in his motivation to steal money there was really nothing else there. There was no reaction by or interaction with Sandman at all with his family once this major change from villain to supervillain took place. There was definitely no conclusion with him at the end since all Sandman was there for was a reason for Parker to become vengeful and full of hate.

This at the very least gives them a whole other angle to work with since Spiderman is actually trying to help a villain who does not embrace his curse. Something we really have not seen yet.

[COMPO]

i'd like Morbius and the Lizard to be in the next film just to deal with the Man-Spider thing. Like spiderman is starting to mutate and is being helped by Doc Connors but because Connors wants to help peter so badly he tests it on himself turning into the Lizard meanwhile the Morbius is being the monster he is and attacking people

[The Joker]

The Morbius rumour has already been quashed. He's not going to be in it, thank god.

[COMPO]

why what's up with morbius?

[The Joker]

He's a vampire. And there's more than enough vampire movies around these days. Too many.

Don't need it in Spider-Man, too.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Well, that depends, he could be very different than other vampires. It doesn't really matter now though.

[COMPO]

i mean look at the AS morbius style

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ as?

[COMPO]

he was kind of a lab experiment gone wrong wasn't he or was it the same in the comics?

[chaseter]

Morbius was a lab experiment gone wrong in TAS I know for sure.

[Spider-ManHero12]

In the comics, Morbius basically experimented with bats as well as electroshock therapy because of a blood disease he had.

[Grievous]

I would say I would like to see Hobgoblin but we have already had too much Goblin and I'm kinda sick of it. Now Mysterio would be a cool villian to have for the 4th film.

[Amon]

Yeah, I'd like Mysterio for the fourth. But The Lizard has to happen sometime, and I'm all for that, too. There's so many great villains that we could get in Spider-Man 4. I think it'll be hard for me to be disappointed in that aspect.

BTW, does anyone know how many posts you need to have before you can have an avatar? Thanks! :woot:

[SpaceWay2009]

Yeah, I'd like Mysterio for the fourth. But The Lizard has to happen sometime, and I'm all for that, too. There's so many great villains that we could get in Spider-Man 4. I think it'll be hard for me to be disappointed in that aspect.

BTW, does anyone know how many posts you need to have before you can have an avatar? Thanks! :woot:I'm not sure exactly, but around 300. Check the FAQ for more details. :yay:

[Immortalfire]

Yeah, I'd like Mysterio for the fourth. But The Lizard has to happen sometime, and I'm all for that, too. There's so many great villains that we could get in Spider-Man 4. I think it'll be hard for me to be disappointed in that aspect.

BTW, does anyone know how many posts you need to have before you can have an avatar? Thanks! :woot:

300

Yeah, Mysterio is one my faves too...but I'm betting Lizard happens before him.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Well, it all depends really. I mean, if it's an illusion (Caradine), then Mysterio will probably be involved, as I have said.

[Grievous]

300

Yeah, Mysterio is one my faves too...but I'm betting Lizard happens before him.
I'm not yet sure how the movie would work out but I would like Lizard and Mysterio in SM4. But just them, I think 3 villians is going over board and each villian won't get enough character time.

[Sal Ohcin]

http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww295/NigelWeatherbottom/0706090843.jpg

[SpideyTheBest]

That's pretty damn awesome!

[SpaceWay2009]

Wow, that looks great and scary.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Wow, that looks really cool! :up:

[Changeling]

:jumpsoutofchairfromawesomeness: thats SWEET

[Amon]

Looks great! :wow:

[The Joker]

It actually reminds me of the TV show, "V".

[Amon]

Hmm... V was a good show! :oldrazz:

[agustin09]

http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww295/NigelWeatherbottom/0706090843.jpg


Real or fan

whatever, Looks great

[General Fury]

I really hope they keep Dylan Baker for the role

[Goran]

I really hope they keep Dylan Baker for the role

Why wouldn't they??

[bullets]

http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww295/NigelWeatherbottom/0706090843.jpg



Terrific! :up:

[General Fury]

http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww295/NigelWeatherbottom/0706090843.jpg

:up::up:

Why wouldn't they??

No reason why they wouldn't, just really hope they dont feel the need to get a more popular actor

[Spiderine]

Great Poster! That's exactly how I would envision the start of his transformations.

[gvamp]

That's an awesome Lizard poster.

Me I really hope he's in SM4 I was a little dissapointed when he wasn't in SM3. They teased it even more in SM3 when Connors was talking to Peter on the phone and you could see Lizard skeletons in the background.

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww295/NigelWeatherbottom/0706090843.jpg

I love this pic. :grin: :liz:

[snakeinthegear]

Very good pic.

[Brimay]

Who cares about realism?It's a Comic book movie!Come on what Fantasy movies are realistic?That's why their movies!Because they can't happen in our real world.The Lizard would bring great action,drama and intensity to the screen.He actually has a personal connection to peter that Rami likes so much without it being forced like Sandman was.So come I know it made sense for TDK to be realistic but even that wasn't all realistic ether.



I completaly agree qith venom892, i'm here to see my favourite comic turn into a movie.

About realism, i hate realism in movies im here to get away from reality, if i want to see reality i will get out of the house and sit on the floor while looking at cars drive by.
:whatever:


Out of topic for a sec, is it me or does this smily of bruce/batman look like keanu reeves?--->:brucebat:

[SpideyTheBest]

It's funny that so many people want to see The Lizard when I keep hearing people complaining about symphatetic villains all the time.

[spider-neil]

It's funny that so many people want to see The Lizard when I keep hearing people complaining about symphatetic villains all the time.


I think people's problem with sympathetic characters is they have been MADE into such characters (sandman) but lizard IS a sympathetic character.

[SpideyTheBest]

Sandman became a symphatetic villain in the comic books.

[NinjaCarm]

Where the hell did this pic come from? Is this for real? This actually looks legit...?

[BrollySupersj]

The Lizard has a high probability of being the next villain, he's been teased since the first movie.


But....I will not get my hopes up just yet. They can always go another route, regardless of the hype.

[Venom 1988]

Where the hell did this pic come from? Is this for real? This actually looks legit...?

of course not