Jackie Earle Haley as Cletus Kasady?

[Mr. Marko]

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What do you guys think? While watching Watchmen I couldn't stop thinking about how perfect he would be. Regardless of the how likely you feel Carnage will be in the movie, what do you think about the actor choice?

[Spider-ManHero12]

He would defentielyu be an awesome choice, IMO. However, I do think Robert Knapper (I think that's his name) would make a great Cletus as well.

[CaptainStacy]

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What do you guys think? While watching Watchmen I couldn't stop thinking about how perfect he would be. Regardless of the how likely you feel Carnage will be in the movie, what do you think about the actor choice?

Good choice. I think they're making a Venom movie. If Carnage is the villain, then maybe they could get Jackie to do it.

[thejon93]

You know, as much as I hate having it (whenever a new, highly-anticipated movie gets released and fanboys from other films start naming off cast members to play the role of the villain/hero), this could work out fine. As much as I'm sick of hearing people say: "Carnage should be in the fourth film", I really don't think I'd mind, as long as I know that his character is there to complete the story and not just added in for ----s and kicks. If they just simply through the symbiote into the third film and got rid of all the extra camp and (lack thereof) character development, we would've had a great film, right next to 'Spider-Man 2'. So, once again, I hope that if they throw Carnage in the mix that it's going to be for something that will make this film more than just your average "popcorn entertainment, midday matinee" movie.

[The Chris]

That would be an awesome choice. Robert worldn't be a bad choice either but Jackie's just in a big stride right now with Little Children and Watchmen, and later the Scorsese film Shutter Island.

[American_Hobo]

Carnage should be played by someone younger.
Jackie Earle Haley and Robert Knepper both look too old to play Carnage.
Let's not change the age appearances of their characters, like what they did to Venom from Spiderman 3. And look what happened.
And for a Venom movie, they better use someone older and who looks like Eddie Brock, not the guy from that 70's show.

[CaptainStacy]

Carnage should be played by someone younger.
Jackie Earle Haley and Robert Knepper both look too old to play Carnage.
Let's not change the age appearances of their characters, like what they did to Venom from Spiderman 3. And look what happened.

What happened? SM 3 was the highest grossing Spidey flick to date. :yay:

[American_Hobo]

Yes, and also Venom was the greatest villain in comic book movie history.

[thejon93]

What happened? SM 3 was the highest grossing Spidey flick to date. :yay:
Wrong, wrong. Domestically, it didn't do as well as it's predecessors. However, it did have the highest "Foreign" total of the other two.
'Spider-Man':
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman.htm
'Spider-Man 2':
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman2.htm
'Spider-Man 3':
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman3.htm

[CaptainStacy]

Yes, and also Venom was the greatest villain in comic book movie history.

Doesnt matter what Joe fanboy thinks. All that matters to Sony is the bottom Line.

[CaptainStacy]

Wrong, wrong. Domestically, it didn't do as well as it's predecessors. However, it did have the highest "Foreign" total of the other two.
'Spider-Man':
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman.htm
'Spider-Man 2':
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman2.htm
'Spider-Man 3':
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=spiderman3.htm

Yeah, look real closely where it says "worldwide". :yay:

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Indeed.

[thejon93]

Yeah, look real closely where it says "worldwide". :yay:
I know, but a lot of film studios don't look to "Worldwide" stats when making sequels. They look to the domestic totals, that's where my point originated from:cwink:

[American_Hobo]

Doesnt matter what Joe fanboy thinks. All that matters to Sony is the bottom Line.

True.
Also, Sony should use Carnage in Spiderman 4.
Have Lizard and Electro as the main villains, and add Carnage in there, just like what happened to Spiderman 3, and that will make fanboys insane. But after all, all we're getting will be 5 minutes of screen time by Carnage near the end of the movie.
Yep, Sony should definitely use Carnage in Spiderman 4.
Just do marketing heavily focused on Carnage (again, just like Venom in Spiderman 3) and they'll again earn tons of money.

[CaptainStacy]

I know, but a lot of film studios don't look to "Worldwide" stats when making sequels. They look to the domestic totals, that's where my point originated from:cwink:

So you're saying they don't count all their profit?

Riiiight. :woot:

[thejon93]

Yes, and also Venom was the greatest villain in comic book movie history.
In your opinion.

[thejon93]

So you're saying they don't count all their profit?

Riiiight. :woot:
No, I just think they're too lazy to get the damn cash checked:grin:

[Spider-ManHero12]

True.
Also, Sony should use Carnage in Spiderman 4.
Have Lizard and Electro as the main villains, and add Carnage in there, just like what happened to Spiderman 3, and that will make fanboys insane. But after all, all we're getting will be 5 minutes of screen time by Carnage near the end of the movie.
Yep, Sony should definitely use Carnage in Spiderman 4.
Just do marketing heavily focused on Carnage (again, just like Venom in Spiderman 3) and they'll again earn tons of money. Tbh, I say save Carnage for the Venom film.

[American_Hobo]

Tbh, I say save Carnage for the Venom film.

I know Carnage won't be in Spiderman 4 and possibly never as long as Sam Raimi is director because he likes Morbius and hates Venom and Carnage.
And my point was, yes they should save Carnage for Venom film.

[NewYorkSpider]

That would be an excellent choice for Carnage.

[Hobgoblin-demon]

Great choice for looks, but I'm not sure that he could pull off kassidy's insanity like he did with Ror.

[Spider-ManHero12]

And my point was, yes they should save Carnage for Venom film. Oh, I see. :yay:

[Joker]

Oh guys, what are Carnage threads doing in a forum for a movie directed by Sam Raimi? He's not going to touch the symbiotes if he can help it. They practically had to put a gun to his head to use Venom.

Let it go :cwink:

Yes, and also Venom was the greatest villain in comic book movie history.

*Splutter of laughter*

[JerseyJoker]

HAHAHHAHAHHA at Venom being the greatest comic book villian. HAHAHA.

Hes not even really in Spideys top 3.

People love to act like Venom was some sort misjustice in SM3, like they had a character with the popularity or potential of The Joker and messed it up, Venom for a LONG time even in the comics was a one dementional character. Just a step up from Carnage, who is even lower, but both are great fun to watch destory things.

I really didn't mind Venom's time or useage in the film, cause really, hes fun to look at, brings a nice conflict, but all and all, he will never be up to the standards of a Goblin or Doc Ock.

But on topic, i never thought about it, but JEH kinda has that Kasady vibe, if for nothing else, but just use him AS Kasady, as this crazy serial killer.

[CaptainStacy]

HAHAHHAHAHHA at Venom being the greatest comic book villian. HAHAHA.

Hes not even really in Spideys top 3.

People love to act liek Venom was some sort misjustice in SM3, like they had a character with the popularity or potential of The Joker and messed it up, Venom for a LONG time even in the comics was a one dementional character. Just a step up from Carnage, who is even lower, but both are great fun to watch destory things.

I really didn't mind Venom's time or useage in the film, cause really, hes fun to look at, brings a nice conflict, but all and all, he will never be up to the standards of a Goblin or Doc Ock.


Agreed with all that.

[Spider-ManHero12]

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[Spider-ManHero12]

edit- double post.

[Joker]

HAHAHHAHAHHA at Venom being the greatest comic book villian. HAHAHA.

Hes not even really in Spideys top 3.

People love to act liek Venom was some sort misjustice in SM3, like they had a character with the popularity or potential of The Joker and messed it up, Venom for a LONG time even in the comics was a one dementional character. Just a step up from Carnage, who is even lower, but both are great fun to watch destory things.

I really didn't mind Venom's time or useage in the film, cause really, hes fun to look at, brings a nice conflict, but all and all, he will never be up to the standards of a Goblin or Doc Ock.

But on topic, i never thought about it, but JEH kinda has that Kasady vibe, if for nothing else, but just use him AS Kasady, as this crazy serial killer.

Well said :up:

[American_Hobo]

Lol, people, obviusly I was being sarcastic about Venom.
I dont care what people say, Venom was just purely horrible in Spiderman 3.
Just proves how Raimi doesnt like Venom.

[American_Hobo]

HAHAHHAHAHHA at Venom being the greatest comic book villian. HAHAHA.

Hes not even really in Spideys top 3.

People love to act like Venom was some sort misjustice in SM3, like they had a character with the popularity or potential of The Joker and messed it up, Venom for a LONG time even in the comics was a one dementional character. Just a step up from Carnage, who is even lower, but both are great fun to watch destory things.

I really didn't mind Venom's time or useage in the film, cause really, hes fun to look at, brings a nice conflict, but all and all, he will never be up to the standards of a Goblin or Doc Ock.

But on topic, i never thought about it, but JEH kinda has that Kasady vibe, if for nothing else, but just use him AS Kasady, as this crazy serial killer.

I agree that Venom wont bring up to the standards of Green Goblin and Doc Ock, but using him for just 10 minutes of screen time was unacceptable.
Also, you said Venom is great fun to watch destroy things, but even that Raimi failed to do it.

[BrollySupersj]

I think Jackie be a great choice, maybe they'll run it past him.

[Reikowolf]

It really bothers me when people see a movie and immediately start a band wagon on making that specific actor their 'go-to'

I remember when SM3 was starting up and even during SM2, a lot of people were posting to have the wrestler something Brock to play venom

Just because he's blonde and his name has Brock in it... doesn't mean he's right for the role.

Same principle applies here
Just because he has red hair and played someone who is mentally unstable doesn't make him right for the role.

That logic makes any crazy redhead eligible. Like carrot top.

[Spider-Man '92]

He does seem to fit the look perfectly, but, I'm just one of those people who doesn't like this kind of speculation. Plus, I really don't want Carnage in any of the Spider-Man films, atleast, not right now. After Venom has been done some justice, but we know that won't happen.

[Reikowolf]

Spider-man movies will not pass the PG13, they lose out on $$ if they do.

no carnage.

[shinlyle]

No Carnage in the movies...ever. He's Venom-Lite. He's the Diet Coke of Venom. His first appearance in the comics was the only time he was cool. Everything since has been a downward spiral.

Also, wouldn't another symbiote make Spidey look kind of lame? We had two Goblins, now two symbiotes? What next? She-Ock?

[Leenie]

I'm not really big on seeing Carnage in a Spider-Man movie. Carnage has never been one of my favorites. If Carnage HAS to be in a movie though, then Jackie Earle Haley would be the right guy for the job. Haley rocks.

[Mario_Galaxy]

Haley is too good of an actor to waste on a one dimensional character like Carnage. I'd rather see him as Electro or something.

[I'm Venom]

I'd rather see Cillian Murphy as Carnage.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Yeah, Knepper is and has been my first choice but Haley as Rorschach had the look down but also the attitude. I could however see Haley as Cletus Kassidy. He's proven he can play psychotic, despicable bastards.

[Spider-Vader]

He would make an awesome Carnage.

[Mistress Kizuna]

I'd rather see Cillian Murphy as Carnage.

Yeah, keep on dreaming... :whatever:

"I think I've done my quota of bad guys. No more ****in' baddies ‘cause I'm the least likely villain." (http://www.cilliansite.com/press/feature-stories/2005-12-00-interv)

[venomvsspidey]

im not tryin to start anything, but i think it's funny how people are compainging for carnage, yet; still complaining about how ****** they think eddie was, even though i liked topher as eddie/venom

[Mr. Marko]

I am in agreement that Carnage would not be an ideal villain, but I do think that IF they were to do it Haley would fit the looks if nothing else. Personally, I think they're pressing their luck with a fourth movie, and as much as I'd love to see it be a good movie, I doubt it will be. Sooner or later, we'll see it go the way of Hulk, Punisher, and Batman...REBOOT.

[thejon93]

I am in agreement that Carnage would not be an ideal villain, but I do think that IF they were to do it Haley would fit the looks if nothing else. Personally, I think they're pressing their luck with a fourth movie, and as much as I'd love to see it be a good movie, I doubt it will be. Sooner or later, we'll see it go the way of Hulk, Punisher, and Batman...REBOOT.
Undoubtably, mate. However, I'm glad to see that this franchise is still going pretty strong and (unlike you) I DO believe that this film will be good(possibly greater than "good"). I may be pushing my hand, but I have faith in these films.

[NewYorkSpider]

Undoubtably, mate. However, I'm glad to see that this franchise is still going pretty strong and (unlike you) I DO believe that this film will be good(possibly greater than "good"). I may be pushing my hand, but I have faith in these films.


I think the next film could be on a level with the first movie. I really don't expect it to be as bad as SM3 or as good as SM2(although I'm hoping and praying I'm wrong).

[thejon93]

I think the next film could be on a level with the first movie. I really don't expect it to be as bad as SM3 or as good as SM2(although I'm hoping and praying I'm wrong).
All that I know is that my heart and senses tell me that they'll most definitely make the right improvements for this installment. So, I'm just "praying" for the ladder.

[Hypestyle]

carnage.. how the devil are they going to depict him in a PG-13 movie? just saying..

[Voorhees]

They'd be able to...he doesn't have to be all blood and guts, and I think Jackie in the role would be able to bring something more to the role than Carnage simply being a superpowered Joker.

[webhead731]

Things Carnage does to people makes Joker look like a baby.

Well, by that I mean physically does to people, not mentally **** with their minds.

[Voorhees]

I know, but I want him to be more than a twisted laughing maniacal superpowered Joker. Jackie would be the perfect actor to add a little more depth to the character while making him very creepy, eerie, and scary.

[Adrian89]

He would defentielyu be an awesome choice, IMO. However, I do think Robert Knapper (I think that's his name) would make a great Cletus as well.
It's Knepper and hell yeah, T-BAG For The Win! haha

[Reikowolf]

not a fan of carnage

but I think a more age appropriate actor and someone who is really due for a big film is

Jake Busey
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000998/

or alternatively

Matthew Lillard
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000498/

Each of them are talented in their own right and age approriate for the role.

[Adrian89]

Good choices! ;)

[dr.strange]

inspired choice......how about jackie as the jackal?

[I'm Venom]

Yeah, keep on dreaming... :whatever:

"I think I've done my quota of bad guys. No more ****in' baddies ‘cause I'm the least likely villain." (http://www.cilliansite.com/press/feature-stories/2005-12-00-interv)

Yeah, you keep telling me. I already know what he said. Now please quit following me.

[NewYorkSpider]

not a fan of carnage

but I think a more age appropriate actor and someone who is really due for a big film is

Jake Busey
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000998/

or alternatively

Matthew Lillard
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000498/

Each of them are talented in their own right and age approriate for the role.


I said Busey for Carnage awhile back. I think he could do good in the role. Lillard on the other hand could nail it IMO.

[Reikowolf]

I said Busey for Carnage awhile back. I think he could do good in the role. Lillard on the other hand could nail it IMO.

There's got to be at least one talented Busey right? :woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

Thought this was perfect the second I saw him in Watchmen.

[Dragon]

What do you guys think? While watching Watchmen I couldn't stop thinking about how perfect he would be. Regardless of the how likely you feel Carnage will be in the movie, what do you think about the actor choice?

First off, as has been mentioned, there's practically zero chance of Carnage being in a film by Sam Raimi, especially snce he has total creative control here. Raimi even said that the villain or villains in Spidey 4 will be from the crop created by Stan Lee. So that excludes any created after 1971.

But on subject, personally I hate type-casting. Because Haley displays great acting skills playing a crazy guy, he shouldn't be relegated to playing that type of character forever, nor would he likely want to. Especially since Carnage is such a derivative character to begin with. Seeing as how a guy like Haley shows he has real acting skills, why not advocate him doing a character completely unlike Rorschach, like The Vulture? And since he's really bald, he's closer to that look that having to wear a haripiece again as with Rorschach.

[SpiderRock88]

he's pretty cool, but Carnage aint happening anytime soon

[LightningFlash]

I love how an actor hits it big with a comic book movie and then people start saying "He should be in Spider-Man, he should be in Batman!!!"

Raimi will pick people that no one would consider.

Did anything think of Grace being Eddie Brock?

Or Molina being Doc Ock?

[Silver Sable]

If Robert Pattinson was a little older, he would make a good Cletus.He has those scary eyes

[Reikowolf]

again, I'm in no way saying it's a good idea to have carnage in a movie but:

another talented actor I just thought about

Bettany

http://www.artsuniversity.com.cn/news/uploadimg/2007/2007-10-17/11926361154663.jpg

*Voice of Jarvais in Ironman*

[dark_b]

again what would be the point of Carnage in a raimi spiderman movie?

[GoblinWhirlwind]

JEH would make an awesome Kasady... never even considered it until just now. :up:

[LightningFlash]

Why is this thread even here?

IF Carnage ever shows up, he'll only get half the time that Venom had.

[Yurka]

Anyone ever seen The Frighteners? Busey in that movie reminded me so much of Cletus, since then I've always wanted him to be Carnage if they ever made him on screen