The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread.

[Katsuro]

I'd like for hulk to apart of the team, I'd like see good teamwork between hulk and the avengers like the marvel animation video with hulk/im/spiderman.

Yeah, The Hulk needs to be an actual member of the Avengers. He could fight the team early on, when they go to capture/recruit him, but near the end he should work with the team. I mean, TIH was all about him learning to control the Hulk and use it for good, so this would just be an extension of that.

[catintheengine]

If anyone here has seen the Ultimate Avengers animated movie, there's fight between Hulk and the Avengers that's pretty awesome. It kind of fits the tone that I'd expect from a battle with Hulk vs. the Avengers.

[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O617ZHcazwA/YT]

[catintheengine]

Oops, double post.

[Clobberin' Time]

I know that its about as reliable as Wikipedia, but, IMDB are listing Edward Norton as a cast member in Iron Man 2.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, The Hulk needs to be an actual member of the Avengers. He could fight the team early on, when they go to capture/recruit him, but near the end he should work with the team. I mean, TIH was all about him learning to control the Hulk and use it for good, so this would just be an extension of that.

Yeah, him fighting them at first then learning to befriend them is the way to go, and personally, as a Hulk fan, I hope he is the reason they prevail in the end.

[Sarg92]

Hulk should fight The Avengers to begin with and then he helps them out when the big threat occurs.

Hulk will be a member of The Avengers but he won't be like if there is trouble you just give Banner a call to come down and help out. It should be that Hulk will help when he is around then he would just go away.

[Spider-Vader]

Maybe the Avengers fight Hulk (uncontrolled by Banner) at the beginning of the movie. Then, during the course of the movie Banner learns how to control Hulk & at the end a Banner controlled Hulk helps the Avengers win.

It's a nice little story arc for Banner/Hulk.

[terry78]

Since he can semi-control him now do you want him more articulate a la Professor/World War, or still on the savage side?

[Danalys]

He can do the motion capture for Abomination or if Marvel decide to use the technology James Cameron helped create for his film Avatar then Roth could be used for the facial and performance capture of Abomination as well as doing the voice.

the way they did it on the incredible hulk was fine. roth even directed the performace of stunt teams for motions he couldn't do himself in the capture studio. they could improve it by doing full body what they did for the face i guess. using roth again gives continuety to the little small movements that on some level give you a sense of the character.

[Sarg92]

the way they did it on the incredible hulk was fine. roth even directed the performace of stunt teams for motions he couldn't do himself in the capture studio. they could improve it by doing full body what they did for the face i guess. using roth again gives continuety to the little small movements that on some level give you a sense of the character.

The technology used in TIH was fine but it is existing and not so much advanced technology for an organic photorealistic creature. Motion capture was used to capture Roth's body movements and MOVA technology was used to capture his facial movements.

The technology used in James Cameron's Avatar is way more advanced. Some of the technology used in his film he has co-created from scratch. With this new technology 100% of the actor's facial movements are captured and that is everything from subtle muscle changes and eye movements. And the body movements capture is also much more advanced.

[Spider-Vader]

Since he can semi-control him now do you want him more articulate a la Professor/World War, or still on the savage side?

Yeah, I want him to talk more. If it's like Professor, it should be Ed's voice except deepened.

[Venom'sDad]

Given what we got in TIH, I think he will still speak like Captain CAVVVVVEEEEEE-MAANNNNNN!!!

[Gamma Goliath]

I want a mix of lou's voice and a super deepened version of ed's voice.

[Silver Knight]

I like this thread. Anyways I hope Hulk looks different to his 2008 movie. Cant wait for some Hulk action yet again.

[Son of Coul]

So a very recent interview with Feige asked if Hulk would be in Avengers and he responded, "I think so. In the comics he has," and when they asked about Norton's involvement, he said, "I dunno, ask him."

Can't be bothered to find the link, but it's in the Iron Man 2 thread a few pages back.

[Son of Coul]

-blech-

[Aztec]

So a very recent interview with Feige asked if Hulk would be in Avengers and he responded, "I think so. In the comics he has," and when they asked about Norton's involvement, he said, "I dunno, ask him."

Can't be bothered to find the link, but it's in the Iron Man 2 thread a few pages back.

You are referring to this interview:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22635

Let's face it, Hulk will be in this movie. Feige is a shaky in his answers but they all seem to point to Hulk's involvement in some capacity. Once again the six that are confirmed are: Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Nick Fury, Black Widow, and Hulk.

[Khemik@L]

So a very recent interview with Feige asked if Hulk would be in Avengers and he responded, "I think so. In the comics he has," and when they asked about Norton's involvement, he said, "I dunno, ask him."

Can't be bothered to find the link, but it's in the Iron Man 2 thread a few pages back.

Actually very interestingly Fiege said WE should ask him. That kindah sounds optimistic to me. At least it seems like Fiege is interested in Norton Reprising the role

[Silver Knight]

Hulk BETTER be in the movie.

[UnionJack]

You are referring to this interview:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=22635

Let's face it, Hulk will be in this movie. Feige is a shaky in his answers but they all seem to point to Hulk's involvement in some capacity. Once again the six that are confirmed are: Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Nick Fury, Black Widow, and Hulk.

I'm with you I pretty much think he is in it by now all I need to hear is conformation.

[KangConquers]

I'd rather see the Pyms than Hulk if I had a choice.

[dcHulk]

I'd rather see the Pyms than Hulk if I had a choice.

Thank goodness I am not a mod, I would revoke your posting priviledges.

:woot:

[KangConquers]

Thank goodness I am not a mod, I would revoke your posting priviledges.

:woot:

The Pyms are actually important to the Avengers mythos; Hulk is not.

[dcHulk]

The Pyms are actually important to the Avengers mythos; Hulk is not.

Ah, given that Hulk was a founding member and his violent exchanges with the Avengers, I would say that he is important...and I'm not saying that the Pyms are not.

[Aztec]

Besides Hulk has already been introduced into this universe, the Pyms have not.

[Silver Knight]

What are Pyms?

[Aesop Rocks]

I mean, it would be cool for The Hulk to be in The Avengers either as a villain or a cameo or as a hero hell, even as a mention from Stark.

I would just deeply rather see the Hank and Janet, over the Hulk though.

[Silver Knight]

Why are you in this thread then?

[Aesop Rocks]

Because I felt like giving my opinion about the subject?

Why are YOU in this thread?

[Venom'sDad]

I'm here hoping to learn how to zap my body with Gamma Particles in order to become bigger & stronger, so I can rake in millions being a SuperHero! :D

[Changeling]

Thank goodness I am not a mod, I would revoke your posting priviledges.

:woot:

Do you know how important the Pyms are to the Avengers? Way more important than Hulk. I would like to have the Pyms in more than Hulk too but I'd love to have both.

[dcHulk]

Do you know how important the Pyms are to the Avengers? Way more important than Hulk. I would like to have the Pyms in more than Hulk too but I'd love to have both.

Go back and read my other post on this on the previous page.

[strikezone89]

Because I felt like giving my opinion about the subject?

Why are YOU in this thread?
may i answer for Silver Knight? well if not im going to anyways..because this thread is called hulk IN avengers thread....

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, I want him to talk more. If it's like Professor, it should be Ed's voice except deepened.

I want him to talk more but it should still be the voice from TIH IMO, he should still be the savage Hulk for at least one more movie, THEN it may time for other incarnations IMO.

[Silver Knight]

What are Pyms guys?

[Obi-Ron]

What are Pyms guys?

Avengers founding members Ant-Man (Hank Pym) and his girlfriend, later wife, later ex-wife the Wasp (Janet Van Dyne Pym)

[irishjosh]

:bh:I think it would be stupid to have him as the main adversary. Maybe them having to take him down early to get him to join,but not as the bad. It should be Ultron,Baron Zemo,Loki,The Skrulls, or something like that. Real villains to have a reason for such a powerful group to come together.:im::spidey::wolverine:hulk::ss:

[Venom'sDad]

I don't think he will be; but, just a major concern.... someone else will be the baddy behind the scene.

[Brian2887]

I kind hope Banner is in SHIELD custody early on, and should stay in custody for most of the film.

When the Avengers are in trouble toward the end, they release Banner / Hulk on the bad guys. After Hulk tears them apart, the Avengers have to get Hulk back under control...

[Tcrumzz]

i think that bruce banner should be in avengers more than the hulk. pyms definitely in the lab with banner. hulk MAYBE at the end...if they need him with the 5+ Heroes they already have

[Spider-Vader]

I want him to talk more but it should still be the voice from TIH IMO, he should still be the savage Hulk for at least one more movie, THEN it may time for other incarnations IMO.

I guess he should too, but I do want to see Hulk's "evolutions" come to the big-screen. A movie about Joe Fixit would be cool.

[eth322]

Isn't Bruce Banner making an appearance in Iron Man 2? It would be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming movie. Maybe SHIELD already caught the Hulk?

Personally I like the idea of Banner already being under observation under SHIELD in the Avengers and the main villian being Ultron. They then have to release Banner to help fight Ultron.

[Silver Knight]

Imagine is Hulks in IM2. That would be insane!

[terry78]

Imagine is Hulks in IM2. That would be insane!

Come again?

[Silver Knight]

I said Imagine if we see Hulk in IM2. That would be great, would it not?

[Khemik@L]

I said Imagine if we see Hulk in IM2. That would be great, would it not?
:pal: That is not what you said, but it's what you meant :woot: And yes that would be insane!

[Silver Knight]

Doubtful it will happen. Slim to no chance imo.

[FlawlessVictory]

EXCLUSIVE: Edward Norton Likes The Idea Of Hulk As 'Avengers' Villain (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/09/23/exclusive-ed-norton-likes-the-idea-of-hulk-as-avengers-villain/)

Posted 41 minutes ago by Rick Marshall (http://splashpage.mtv.com/author/rickmarshall/) in Marvel (http://splashpage.mtv.com/category/marvel/), News (http://splashpage.mtv.com/category/news/), Video (http://splashpage.mtv.com/category/video/)

Ever since the moment "The Avengers (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/the-avengers)" movie became official, there's been speculation about what the plot will entail—specifically, what force could be so great that it would need the combined efforts of Iron Man, Captain America, Thor and the stars of the rest of Marvel's solo movies to share the spotlight. The most obvious answer has always been Hulk, the green-skinned behemoth that first forced the eclectic group of heroes to team up in the comic book world.

When MTV News caught up with Edward Norton (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/edward-norton/), the actor who brought Hulk (or rather, his alter ego Bruce Banner) to the big screen in 2008's "Incredible Hulk," we asked whether he could see the character return to the screen for a brawl with Earth's Mightiest Heroes.

"In the comics, there was always a tension between the rest of the superhero community and he was always this problem... They treated him as this problem," said Norton.

In Toronto to promote his well-received film "Leaves of Grass" (http://www.mtv.com/videos/?name=movies&id=1622096) at the International Film Festival, Norton said he could definitely see the Hulk character becoming something that the rest of Marvel's superheroes joined forces to battle. After all, Hulk's never been shy about telling the world he's "the strongest there is."

"I think that's a fun way to go with it," said Norton.
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/09/23/exclusive-ed-norton-likes-the-idea-of-hulk-as-avengers-villain/

[Silver Knight]

Cool. Well thats good news.

[Obi-Ron]

Absolutely.

[Chewy]

He sounds very open to it

[Gamma Goliath]

yes! i hope he's in.

also, i wonder what norton would think of hulk if he read planet hulk and wwh.

[terry78]

The way Norton talks reminds me of how Brian Michael Bendis writes.

[TheFuture]

Well what Norton says does play into the ending of the Incredible Hulk right? What was it that Tony says, something along the lines of wanting to help Ross with his problem.

[eth322]

Yep, it sounds like they are going along with the Ultimate Avengers story line. I just thought about an idea for a actual story line yesterday. In order to combat the Hulk, Pym creates Ultron. Ultron turns on the Avengers and the Hulk actually helps the Avengers defeat Ultron. Any thoughts?

[jadejaws]

In or out Ed...quit playing with us. :cmad:

[dcHulk]

I think this is a good sign from Norton.

[Sarg92]

Well when watching the third video in that MTV playlist and Norton was asked about his involvement with Marvel he immediately replied "I think it'll be Avengers next" and then mentioned how Iron Man 2 and the other Marvel films are gonna be released first. But then the interviewer changed the question to asking if he would be in Iron Man 2.

So I think Norton is gonna be in The Avengers for sure.

[Gamma Goliath]

I hope.

[Bruce Banner]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/09/23/exclusive-ed-norton-likes-the-idea-of-hulk-as-avengers-villain/


Well I'm just glad to hear him answering questions on the subject just no real definite yes or no's from him.

[[A]]

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/09/23/exclusive-ed-norton-likes-the-idea-of-hulk-as-avengers-villain/Hey, something good actually came from mtv.

[Bruce Banner]

;17518669']Hey, something good actually came from mtv.


Wow I actually didn't even think about that. Shocking isn't it?

[[A]]

Yeah, their 'news' are rarely.. well, actual 'news' :hehe:

[Spider-Vader]

I really hope he's in. It seems that he had fun in TIH, after the whole script mess so hopefully he'll return & get to do a TIH sequel.

I see a Norton Hulk movie being a mix between the two previous ones, with Ed doing the deep stuff & Marvel giving us the action.

[Son of Coul]

Well when watching the third video in that MTV playlist and Norton was asked about his involvement with Marvel he immediately replied "I think it'll be Avengers next" and then mentioned how Iron Man 2 and the other Marvel films are gonna be released first. But then the interviewer changed the question to asking if he would be in Iron Man 2.

So I think Norton is gonna be in The Avengers for sure.

Here's the link: http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/439351/norton-sets-the-record-straight.jhtml#id=1622096

He seems very into it and says the only reason there's been no confirmation is because of his preoccupations with what he's doing at the moment, as opposed to his projects later on. In response to when they ask all tongue-in-cheek if he'd direct, he chuckles and says, "All things interest me, it's only a function of time."

Very reassuring video, don't know why they didn't make that whole thing the article. Earlier I said it seems it's up to Norton, now it seems that it's up to Marvel. Almost like two people who like each other but don't approach the other side about it.

[Bruce Banner]

Thanks for the link

[dcHulk]

Here's the link: http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/439351/norton-sets-the-record-straight.jhtml#id=1622096

He seems very into it and says the only reason there's been no confirmation is because of his preoccupations with what he's doing at the moment, as opposed to his projects later on. In response to when they ask all tongue-in-cheek if he'd direct, he chuckles and says, "All things interest me, it's only a function of time."

Very reassuring video, don't know why they didn't make that whole thing the article. Earlier I said it seems it's up to Norton, now it seems that it's up to Marvel. Almost like two people who like each other but don't approach the other side about it.

I agree. Now I think that once Marvel gets focused on it, they will contact Norton about reprising his role in the Avengers. At least I'm not concerned with Norton's thoughts and/or intentions. But Marvel will royally screw up if they don't try to sign Norton for Avengers.

[Sarg92]

Marvel have barely even started any prep work on Captain America which comes out before The Avengers which means that they have The Avengers in development with a script and nothing more.

No casting, directing or anything else is really being sorted out yet with The Avengers.

It is all early days and there is plenty of time to finalise deals.

[Chewy]

Marvel have barely even started any prep work on Captain America which comes out before The Avengers which means that they have The Avengers in development with a script and nothing more.
What makes you think they have barely even started prep? They have been prepping it for months. Just because the lead hasn't been cast yet, does not mean no one is working on the film.

[Obi-Ron]

Yeah, that seems like a strange assumption.

[Sarg92]

What makes you think they have barely even started prep? They have been prepping it for months. Just because the lead hasn't been cast yet, does not mean no one is working on the film.

It was either Jon Favreau or Louis Leterrier who said it. I am sure it was Favreau, he said something like they haven't or just have started prep on Captain America.

I can't remember how long ago he said it but he definitely did say it.

EDIT: He said it in late July...

You're not going to know about Thor for two years, what that really means. And Captain America, they haven't even started prepping yet. So there's a lot of discovery that has to take place before you can understand what Avengers really is."
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/a167709/jon-favreau-confirms-iron-man-3.html

[Son of Coul]

Yeah, Johnston's still wrapping up Wolfman I believe, then they'll get a move on it. Marvel sounds like they know what they're doing, let's hope they don't blow this Norton opportunity, which shouldn't even really be an issue but it is because of the damned ambiguity of it all. yargghhh

[UnionJack]

I think with Thor having a small name as the lead role ... and maybe Cap I think Marvel know they need the names of Downey, Norton and Jackson to help sell Avengers more to none comic film fans.

[FaT_tONle]

Norton is just giving his take on the character. Doesn't mean he is a lock to sign on. He will have to really like the script and have a sizable role IMO. Going with no names for Thor and potentially the same for Cap could at least free up some "cap space" for Marvel to fit him in their budget so I am cautiously optimistic.

What makes you think they have barely even started prep? They have been prepping it for months. Just because the lead hasn't been cast yet, does not mean no one is working on the film.

If by prep you mean fancy artwork, story boards, and tweakings to the script then yeah. If by prep you mean the actual director working on the film and getting heavily involved in pre-production then no. The director has barely touched the movie up until now and will not start working on it for another couple of weeks or so.

[bullets]

I pray for Norton. Also I think whoever plays Captain America is a big deal.

[Sarg92]

If by prep you mean fancy artwork, story boards, and tweakings to the script then yeah. If by prep you mean the actual director working on the film and getting heavily involved in pre-production then no. The director has barely touched the movie up until now and will not start working on it for another couple of weeks or so.

Yep, that is correct.

They only have done artwork and designs so far which look awesome according to Leterrier.

[Son of Coul]

And Favreau too, about a year or so ago. Said that their stuff was "pretty impressive."

[Chewy]

If by prep you mean fancy artwork, story boards, and tweakings to the script then yeah. If by prep you mean the actual director working on the film and getting heavily involved in pre-production then no. The director has barely touched the movie up until now and will not start working on it for another couple of weeks or so.
Yeah, that's what prep is for the most part. They aren't officially in pre-production yet that I know of, but they are definitely working on the script and talking to Johnston about it while storyboarding the action scenes and maybe even working on some pre-viz stuff.

[bullets]

Norton just spoke to MTV and stated he would be available but it depends on the timing.

[LostSon88]

(http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/09/28/exclusive-edward-norton-says-potential-return-to-hulk-role-is-purely-a-function-of-time/)http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/09/28/exclusive-edward-norton-says-potential-return-to-hulk-role-is-purely-a-function-of-time/

EXCLUSIVE: Edward Norton Says Potential Return To 'Hulk' Role Is 'Purely A Function Of Time' (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/09/28/exclusive-edward-norton-says-potential-return-to-hulk-role-is-purely-a-function-of-time/)

Posted 9/28/09 11:33 am ET by Rick Marshall (http://splashpage.mtv.com/author/rickmarshall/) in Marvel (http://splashpage.mtv.com/category/marvel/), News (http://splashpage.mtv.com/category/news/), Video (http://splashpage.mtv.com/category/video/)


Last week, "Incredible Hulk" star Edward Norton (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/edward-norton) told us why he likes the idea of Marvel's green-skinned behemoth being the destructive force that forces Iron Man, Captain America and Thor to team up in "The Avengers." (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/09/23/exclusive-ed-norton-likes-the-idea-of-hulk-as-avengers-villain/)
However, while we had Norton talking about superheroes, we had to ask him yet another burning question on the minds of comic book movie fans: Will he be the one playing Bruce Banner when "Avengers" (or "Iron Man 2" or any of the other Marvel movies) come around?

"It's purely a function of time," said Norton. "It's always about just working things out on the schedule."
"I get very busy. You have to deal with the demands of your moment," he continued. "I tend to keep my head in the thing I'm doing and I don't speculate or worry too much about what two or three blocks down the thing is going to be. I know all these things will reveal themselves and work themselves out."


While Norton's response to the question of future Marvel movie roles was a bit, well... ambiguous... he didn't shy away from talking about what interests him in the Marvel movie universe.


"The thing about their universe that's fun is that it all cross-pollinates," said Norton. "Even when I was working on the 'Incredible Hulk' script, I tried to plug in the whole super-soldier serum thing from Captain America."
"There are limitless permutations," he said.


Its no slam dunk but at least now he's saying that he's interested! :woot:

[Gamma Goliath]

Woohoo, go norton!
No but really, this is good, marvel needs to a move on with cap and thor, so they get can the avengers going.

[[A]]

Cross-pollinates, permutations.. Ease up, Ed :hehe:

[Bruce Banner]

At least he's discussing it. If he just avoided those questions I'd be more concerned.

[FaT_tONle]

Limitless permutations??? Never figured Norton for a mathematician.

[TheVileOne]

Hey, hopefully this means Norton is open to coming back onboard.

The issue is him not creatively butting heads and understanding he's not in charge.

[bullets]

I think he's doing a wait and see for when they choose a director.

[Bruce Banner]

Yeah he is waiting. Zak Penn is writing and Norton already tweeked it a bit while working on Hulk.

Norton is also writing and directing/starring in Motherless Brooklyn and is trying to get the project in motion. Last time I checked it was around 2012 as well.

[Captainhulk]

Its no slam dunk but at least now he's saying that he's interested! :woot:

This is from a slightly older article 8-4-09. Sorry if this has been posted.

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/gif/zoom.gif (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/09/28/exclusive-edward-norton-says-potential-return-to-hulk-role-is-purely-a-function-of-time/)
Edward Norton (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/celebrity/edward_norton/) remains coy when asked whether or not The Hulkhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2.gif (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00026174.html#) will be involved in "The Avengers (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/movie/avengers_the/)". When IGN caught up with him while he promoted "By the People: The Election of Barack Obama", the new HBO documentary he produced, at the Television Critics Association press event, the 39-year-old declined to comment.

"I probably won't comment on that, just because they [Marvel] keep a pretty tight reign on what they are letting out," the Academy Award (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00026174.html#) nominee stated. "I'll let them say." Meanwhile, NukeTheFridge repoted that Marvel wants the actor who portrays Bruce Banner aka The Hulk in 2008's "The Incredible Hulk (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/movie/incredible_hulk_the/)" for more than just "The Avengers." The site claimed, "[He] will have a possible cameo [in Iron Man 2 (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/movie/iron_man_2/)] as both Bruce Banner and the Hulk".


[URL]http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00026174.html#

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah we speculaated over that when it was first posted.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Surprised no one has commented before me but looks like Norton could be back on board, I really hope so, as I want the Hulk to have a significant part in this and if Norton is on board the chances of that happening are very high.

[Silver Knight]

Agreed. We need Hulk back on the big screen.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I just hope Norton is on board for a TIH2 as well if they do one, hopefully Avengers propels Hulk's popularity as a character were there is enough demand for a TIH2.

[Silver Knight]

I hope there will be TIH2 but I highly doubt it.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^You never know, if Avengers does outrageous numbers and Hulk has a prominent role, his BO popularity could make Marvel more willing to take a risk on a sequel.

I just wonder if any other TIH characters will make an appearence in Avengers, like Betty, Samson, Abom and The Leader, wouldnt mind a few of them making an appearence.

[Deaths Head II]

I think there is a pretty good chance of a TIH sequel after his appearance in Avengers. I don't think we'll be seeing many supporting cast members in Avengers though, since the movie already has a large cast with the main crew alone. Maybe we'll see General Ross working with Nick Fury if we're lucky.

[Silver Knight]

I want to see the Leader in the Avengers.

[Son of Coul]

On a potential Incredible Hulk sequel

"Not before The Avengers," Fiege confirmed.

On reintroducing Hulk with The Avengers

"We certainly plan on it. He was there in "The Avengers
" #1 and in "The Ultimates" #1 so certainly the Hulk is a key part of these films leading up to The Avengers. Iron Man 2 has some clues to where these timelines take place as they relate to each other. So I certainly think Hulk will be a player on that team."

On Edward Norton's return

"A lot of it depends on the story, a lot of it depends on the schedule and a lot of it depends on the lofty ideas that we have. You also have to work with the realities of people's schedules as to when they are available and stuff like that. So we reserve the right to say Hulk will be in it for sure, we'll see about Banner."
(http://**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=17469)
Sounds to me like they just have to discuss it with Norton in due time, then decide if they're including Banner. Or possibly keep him out to save some dough and movie time. The Avengers #1 went without Banner at all, but at that point Hulk had come into his own as a character more than in the MCU so it worked in that story.

[terry78]

So long as they don't pull a "Banner is Hulk all the time" thing. They could, but having that dynamic with them always kind of on their guard wondering if he's gonna hulk out during an inconvienient time would be interesting.

[Son of Coul]

Both Norton and Feige have brought up the scheduling thing and if that's true it doesn't look like Norton has anything on the horizon for Jan/Feb when they're supposedly shooting this thing. So if that's the case they should be good. But if there's more to it like, as I said, money or creative preferences, then it could be likely they'll just have Hulk.

I'd definitely prefer having Banner, especially to keep RDJ and Sam Jackson company with the younger cast running around, but I think I'd be ok with just Hulk depending on how they handle it. As long as they don't recast. That'd be the worst thing in the world.

[thorstone]

These are the only three renditions they need to look at for their designs:

http://z.about.com/d/comicbooks/1/0/1/V/grayhulk.jpg

http://caffeine-headache.net/blog3/250px-Ultimate-wolverine-vs-hulk.jpg

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/hulk/313-3.jpg

The green Hulk needs some yellows in the green, as seen here.

Rather than hoaky CGI transformations; they could do an explosion with green smoke (like Mr. Hyde in reverse) for the green Hulk, and an explosion with gray smoke for the gray Hulk.

The actual character effect in my opinion should be done with scaling and animatronics like Mr. Hyde in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

[Amazing Afroman]

these are the only three renditions they need to look at for their designs:

http://z.about.com/d/comicbooks/1/0/1/v/grayhulk.jpg

http://caffeine-headache.net/blog3/250px-ultimate-wolverine-vs-hulk.jpg

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/hulk/313-3.jpg

the green hulk needs some yellows in the green, as seen here.

Rather than hoaky cgi transformations; they could do an explosion with green smoke (like mr. Hyde in reverse) for the green hulk, and an explosion with gray smoke for the gray hulk.

The actual character effect in my opinion should be done with scaling and animatronics like mr. Hyde in league of extraordinary gentlemen.

what?

[terry78]

Mr. Hyde looked like garbage.

[donko]

I just finished watching The Incredible Hulk and noticed something that General Ross said. After the second encounter with the Hulk, but right before Betty and Bruce made it to New York, Ross said that the shield organization had entered the names MR Blue and Mr Green into their database.

I already read that The Incredible Hulk takes place after Iron Man 2, but when? It is obvious that it takes place before S.H.I.E.L.D. finds Captain America because they could have just used Cap instead of injecting the Abomination guy.

Next question.
Was it S.H.I.E.L.D. that gave the Army the special Stark Industries Humvee and if so what type of relationship does Ross have with them? I mean Ross is so adamant about getting back Bruce and considers his body government property, wouldn't he feel the same way about Captain America?

Last question
I know that the events of Captain America takes place before all the other movies, but I wonder will the awakening happen at the end of his movie or the beginning of the Avengers?

[terry78]

The military probably bought the stuff from Stark's company indirectly as a purchase, but Ross hadn't really been on close terms with Stark himself yet.

[Anubis Raptor]

We know Hulk is in the Avengers. We just don't know if Ed is in it.

[Weadazoid]

What we all want to see is Hulk on a rampage, Iron Man left dumbfounded as to how to deal with Raw energy like this, brute force that takes his best shot and still keeps coming only to have Thor step on the sceane and match Power moves with the Hulk Leaving even the Hulk shocked as to how any man who appears Human can seem to match him in the power department. THis may give us a moment for Cap to come in as a voice of reason, ending the chaos and getting the Hulk to relent, and join the team.

[Rock Sexton]

If Loki is indeed the main henchman in The Avengers, I think it would be fitting that the Hulk is the piece that both sides are jockeying to control.

[Dark Raven]

If Loki is indeed the main henchman in The Avengers, I think it would be fitting that the Hulk is the piece that both sides are jockeying to control.

If Loki is the main henchman, then who is he henchman to? Who is the main villain?

I don't think Loki would ever see himself as a henchman or lackey though. Loki wouldn't ever serve anyone else.

[Rock Sexton]

If Loki is the main henchman, then who is he henchman to? Who is the main villain?

I don't think Loki would ever see himself as a henchman or lackey though. Loki wouldn't ever serve anyone else.

Poor choice of words. I meant bad guy.... antagonist .... etc. etc. .....

[Young Superman]

Hulk better be in Avergers and Edward Norton better play Dr. Bruce Banner.

[Aztec]

Hulk better be in Avergers and Edward Norton better play Dr. Bruce Banner.

He is and from the sound of it he likely will.

[Rock Sexton]

.........not that anyone cares, but I'm watching TIH for like the billionth time. I love this movie. It's my favorite of the Marvel movies so far.

Make it happen Norton! Then you'll get your redemption in TIH:2 and be able to achieve what you meant to with that a$$-hat at Marvel gone who toyed with you before.

BTW, how could Marvel NOT want this guy in The Avengers? Norton without a doubt has the most passion for a Marvel character that you could probably have. That's what you want out of your actor portraying him.

[scatterax]

.........not that anyone cares, but I'm watching TIH for like the billionth time. I love this movie. It's my favorite of the Marvel movies so far.

Make it happen Norton!


I've noticed that the more i watch iron man the older it gets. but the more i watch TIH the better it gets. pretty soon they'll switch places on my sig. just wait.

edit-just did. now that i think about it it is better. but IM2 is prolly gonna blow em both outa the water.

[Rock Sexton]

I've noticed that the more i watch iron man the older it gets. but the more i watch TIH the better it gets. pretty soon they'll switch places on my sig. just wait.

That's what I'm saying. I mean I liked Iron Man, but there was just something else about TIH and I keep wanting to watch it more and more. I thought it did a fantastic job with it's inclusion of different pieces of the rest of the Marvel universe and just had even more-so of a comic vibe to it.

I was doing a little bit of reading on various interviews with Norton. He knows the fans are shouting for him to return. One interview seemed to insinuate that to make up for the mishap created with the struggle on the editing floor (and to get him signed on to The Avengers) they should re-release on DVD the version Leterrier/Norton intended. Would that be so hard? I am dying to see it, especially the super-soldier subplot they intended.

[Rock Sexton]

This quote says it all for me ....

I think it's really Marvel's decision at this point, not Norton's, and Marvel will make it a priority if they are told, loud and clear, "This is a priority." They could easily write around Norton or replace him, but I think that would be a creative misstep. When you have a collaborator who is this smart, and this willing, you shouldn't walk away. You should embrace them, even if that means doing some difficult things and making some choices that cede some power. Marvel is being incredibly smart about the films they control these days, and they have a chance to line up a truly great cast when the Avengers assemble.

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-6-motion-captured/posts/edward-norton-puts-hulk-s-fate-in-the-hands-of-the-fans-at-sxsw

[KangConquers]

They need to make Hulk a big enough role that they can spin a TIH 2 out of avengers; that said, his role has to be small enough that they can make an Avengers 2 without him.

[Rock Sexton]

They need to make Hulk a big enough role that they can spin a TIH 2 out of avengers; that said, his role has to be small enough that they can make an Avengers 2 without him.

The movie did $263 million in theaters (domestic & international) plus another $58 million in DVD sales. That's $321 million between the two and that was WITHOUT proper promotion and marketing. The movie is no doubt deserving of a sequel and I personally believe The Avengers movie could help move that idea along.

[allhollows86]

Does anyone Know If William Hurt is going to be in The Avengers movie or Captain?

[Silver Knight]

The movie did $263 million in theaters (domestic & international) plus another $58 million in DVD sales. That's $321 million between the two and that was WITHOUT proper promotion and marketing. The movie is no doubt deserving of a sequel and I personally believe The Avengers movie could help move that idea along.

I agree! TIH2 needs to happen!

[Young Superman]

I agree! TIH2 needs to happen!

I think so too.

[Tony Stark]

I picked up the Incredible Hulk on blueray last night. I wanted to watch it again to get a sense of where they are going with Avengers and IM2.

What amazed me is what a good movie that was. My impressions at the time were, "just OK", but after seeing it again it was better than I remembered. I wish I had gone to see it again in the theaters.

I'm not sure what Norton's whole beef was, but I hope that Marvel and him seal any divides between them. I know that he has said how much he loved Marvel comics as a kid.

Even though I didn't care much for the Ang Lee movie, I did like Eric Bana's performance, but watching the movie again last night, I know that the direction TIH took is more what the Avengers need.

The whole "nanomed" thing from Ang's film was absolutely stupid. TIH took an approach similar to Ultimates, combining it with the TV show origin.

William Hurt is just awesome, and they've got to have him back. I am just dying to see him and Jackson play off each other. They are such incredible actors and completely immerse themselves in their rolls.

The way I see Avengers playing out is that based on the ending of TIH, which I assume takes place after IM2, in the timeline, is that the Avengers are grouped to stop the Hulk because of his destruction. Eventually Rogers is going to figure out what General Ross is really trying to do with the Hulk. I could see Ross turning the military against the Avengers, until they can expose Ross of what he's doing.

At the end of TIH, it seems like Blonsky is not dead, and we know of his healing powers. I'm wondering if Ross is going to try to use him as a pawn.

[Dark Raven]

I think they need to change the Hulk's appearance slightly for the Avengers. Make him look more like Lou Ferrigno's Hulk face-wise, and also less striated. He was ridiculously ripped in TIH. I don't want him to look flabby like Ang Lee's Hulk, but not so heavily defined either. I want him a bit more realistic looking when he's alongside the other actors, so that he blends in more. If Ferrigno could play the Hulk again and they augmented his body and size, and gave him a more Hulking appearance, that would be ideal.

[Silver Knight]

He will under go some changes no doubt.

[Iron_Stark]

They need to make Hulk a big enough role that they can spin a TIH 2 out of avengers; that said, his role has to be small enough that they can make an Avengers 2 without him.

No it doesn't, Hulk's role in the Avengers (especially if Norton comes back) needs to be as equal as the other major characters.

You think Iron Man's role also needs to be small enough as well? Because RDJ is going to be one and done with the Avengers, after Iron Man 3 he's going to be pushing 50 and hanging up the helmet.

[KangConquers]

No it doesn't, Hulk's role in the Avengers (especially if Norton comes back) needs to be as equal as the other major characters.

You think Iron Man's role also needs to be small enough as well? Because RDJ is going to be one and done with the Avengers, after Iron Man 3 he's going to be pushing 50 and hanging up the helmet.

No...I think Hulk is a character that has failed to captivate audiences, and that focusing too much on him would be a risk. TIH didn't even make a profit until dvd...remember it takes 2 dollars of gross to make back every dollar you spend...on a 150 million dollar budget, they had to make 300 million to break even...that gave them 21 million dollars of profit; very modest when placed next to Iron Man's nearly half a billion in profit (300 million to break even and it made 750 million after dvd.)

I don't like a lot of things about Ultimates but I think Ultimates 1 did a perfect job breaking up screen time...everyone got decent face time, no one overwhelmed the other characters. If they could do a movie like that where the characters aren't total dickwads, that'd be ideal.

[Dark Raven]

No...I think Hulk is a character that has failed to captivate audiences, and that focusing too much on him would be a risk. TIH didn't even make a profit until dvd...remember it takes 2 dollars of gross to make back every dollar you spend...on a 150 million dollar budget, they had to make 300 million to break even...that gave them 21 million dollars of profit; very modest when placed next to Iron Man's nearly half a billion in profit (300 million to break even and it made 750 million after dvd.)

I don't like a lot of things about Ultimates but I think Ultimates 1 did a perfect job breaking up screen time...everyone got decent face time, no one overwhelmed the other characters. If they could do a movie like that where the characters aren't total dickwads, that'd be ideal.

I don't think that a lot of casual moviegoers really want to see a Hulk movie unless they're into monster movies. Many seem to think it's just mindless mayhem. The Hulk shouldn't be a huge selling point for the Avengers. Audiences seem more enamoured of Iron Man and Robert Downey Jr. Marketing this movie too much emphasis on the Hulk could doom it at the box office.

[Ajendo]

I doubt that. The emphasis on mkarketing would be the fact that we've got a bunch of loved characters from seperate franchises banding together in 1 film. Hulk being in the movie wouldn't have any adverse effects at all. You've got the likes of Ironman and presumably if Thor and Cap are smash hits with their respective movies, come avengers time in all likelihood, Hulk's reputation may in fact be vastly improved upon.

[Son of Coul]

All they need to do in the movie is play the Hulk up for the supreme badass he is, while developing his personality more, giving him a couple more lines than in TIH (just a few, full conversations would be too big a jump at this point) and draw the public back into the character. Unless they keep going with a Banner controlled Hulk, which I'd be good with, and could be just as interesting because it's- well, something different, ffs.

My idea- I think it'd be best to have him controlled by Loki at the start as everyone's saying, giving a great action scene, then having Banner working at SHIELD in a position as a scientist, all the while giving them information on how he thought he was in control but something else took over, and it wasn't the Hulk, in exchange for... not dissecting him. Toward the end, the Avengers have disbanded from SHIELD due to disobedience (for a good reason) and their final fight is being televised. And though they've gotten through the minions or whatever they're getting their asses handed to them by Loki. Banner realizes they need Hulk to swing the battle in their favor and Fury orders him to stand down or else they'll strip him of his comfy job and hunt him down and dissect him as they intended. He goes for it anyway and there could be a shot of Cap weakly getting up and turning his head to see Hulk in all his ragin' glory. He beats the **** out of Loki and gives the Avengers time to recover. Cap barks a couple of orders at IM and Thor, before Cap jumps up to Loki's weakened body, says something awesome (possibly from the comics), and finishes him with his shield. After this, they thank Banner/Hulk and he takes off to be alone. Fury wants them to go after him but they refuse.

I pretty much made that up on the fly so sorry it seemed drawn out.

[Aesop Rocks]

Cap barks a couple of orders at IM and Thor, before Cap jumps up to Loki's weakened body, says something awesome (possibly from the comics).



CAP: Does the letter on my forehead stand for France?!
LOKI: Such...terrible....writing.
*dies*

[Obi-Ron]

Ha!

[TheFuture]

CAP: Does the letter on my forehead stand for France?!
LOKI: Such...terrible....writing.
*dies*

I only came across that line for the first time yesterday, my god. :doh:

[Aesop Rocks]

Dear God, you held off as long as you could I hope. :csad:

[terry78]

Didn't Millar write that?

[terry78]

Didn't Millar write that?

[Aesop Rocks]

Who cares? :/

[terry78]

I care, because I am not a fan of his writing style.

[Aesop Rocks]

Whoa bro, cool your jets.

[Son of Coul]

CAP: Does the letter on my forehead stand for France?!
LOKI: Such...terrible....writing.
*dies*
I said something awesome! :nono:

[Aesop Rocks]

But in the mind of Whedon, that is awesome. :csad:

[Shivsguy616]

...remember it takes 2 dollars of gross to make back every dollar you spend...



Why do you think that? :huh:

[Son of Coul]

Banner dropping from the Helicarrier would make for an awesome scene if they hadn't already done the copter jump in TIH.

[misjuevos]

i dont think they need a bruce banner for avengers. just cg hulk, let him speak. if they do another hulk movie then yeah need banner, but for avengers just need the hulk. although i would like to see bruce, tony, and hank nerding out talking to each other.i say go with original, loki controls the hulk, then avengers stop him. then avengers and hulk go after loki.

[Tony Stark]

No...I think Hulk is a character that has failed to captivate audiences, and that focusing too much on him would be a risk. TIH didn't even make a profit until dvd...remember it takes 2 dollars of gross to make back every dollar you spend...on a 150 million dollar budget, they had to make 300 million to break even...that gave them 21 million dollars of profit; very modest when placed next to Iron Man's nearly half a billion in profit (300 million to break even and it made 750 million after dvd.)

I don't like a lot of things about Ultimates but I think Ultimates 1 did a perfect job breaking up screen time...everyone got decent face time, no one overwhelmed the other characters. If they could do a movie like that where the characters aren't total dickwads, that'd be ideal.

The thing is, movies being movies and RJD being the only proven leading man, I almost guarantee the movie is going to center on him almost the way X2 centered on Wolverine/Jackman. The others will be there for sure, but Hemsworth only moved to America a few years ago and got his big break in Star Trek. You see the potential with him, and I hope Thor is a breaking ground for many things in the future. Evans has been in alot of movies, but has never found the kind of tentpole success as an actor to put him in the lead. CA, could be that movie, but it remains to be seen. On the one hand Chris was one of the bright spots of the FF movies, on the other because the FF franchise petered out, I don't know how much credit he will get for it.

My point being is don't expect an, "everyone gets face time". I hope the film will focus on the "big 3" almost in a Star Trek kind of way with Kirk, Spock and Bones. That could work for a movie like this and please fans. Alot of it depends on how well Thor and CA are perceived, the whole project may be shelved if they're bombs.

As far as the Hulk, I agree, the Hulk can't be a "character", but I think Banner can and should be. The Hulk is more of a plot device.

As I mentioned, based on the ending of TIH, I think Stark is being played and seding the Avengers after the Hulk, Rogers could discover Ross' true motivations behind the Hulk.

I do not want to see a full out Ultimates on screen, with the Avengers chasing shape shifting Aliens. That could be disasterous. It's going to be enough to accept the very "real world" Iron Man working with a Norse god, and a guy who's been frozen on ice for 65 years.

If it's the Hulk at least the audience could have something tangeble to go off of, based on TIH, to keep the suspension of disbelief going.

[Aesop Rocks]

i dont think they need a bruce banner for avengers. just cg hulk, let him speak. if they do another hulk movie then yeah need banner, but for avengers just need the hulk. although i would like to see bruce, tony, and hank nerding out talking to each other.i say go with original, loki controls the hulk, then avengers stop him. then avengers and hulk go after loki.

Edward Norton said he'll come back, it just depends on how the Avengers script turns out. I bet he'd re-write/add some of his own lines in the script if he was to come back. IMO, his re-writes saved TIH.

[Son of Coul]

My point being is don't expect an, "everyone gets face time". I hope the film will focus on the "big 3" almost in a Star Trek kind of way with Kirk, Spock and Bones. That could work for a movie like this and please fans. Alot of it depends on how well Thor and CA are perceived, the whole project may be shelved if they're bombs.
The focus should definitely be on the "big 3," but as far as shelving the project I see that as highly unlikely since they start shooting before both Thor and Cap even hit theaters.

[Obi-Ron]

the Hulk can't be a "character", but I think Banner can and should be. The Hulk is more of a plot device.

Errr..Hulk is a character, not just Banner turned big and stupid.

[Abraham]

Norton is really into this last interview I read, I see no reason for Hulk and even General Ross to appear in The Avengers.

[Silver Knight]

Norton is really into this last interview I read, I see no reason for Hulk and even General Ross to appear in The Avengers.

He friecken better appear in the movie.

[Ipodman]

I assume HULK is a given in Avengers... but is Norton returning as Banner? Nothing is confirmed... yet

[Aesop Rocks]

Yes...

If the script is good, he'll return.

[LostSon88]

The only thing 'confirmed' is that Norton would be interested...

That's enough for me (for now).

[Ipodman]

I hope he does 0.0 He was a great Bruce banner

[Rock Sexton]

The only thing 'confirmed' is that Norton would be interested...

That's enough for me (for now).

Well it's been confirmed the Hulk will be in it. Whether or not Norton's Banner will is what we're waiting for ....

[Rock Sexton]

Norton is really into this last interview I read, I see no reason for Hulk and even General Ross to appear in The Avengers.

:huh:

[Ipodman]

banner could have some serious conversation with Hank Pym....

[Superboy-Prime]

Banner needs to be in it, you cant constantly have him Hulked out in every scene he is in, would be absolutely stupid

[Ace of Knaves]

But in the mind of Whedon, that is awesome. :csad:

Wait, Whedon actually said he liked that line?

Or are you just assuming because Whedon sucks?

[Aesop Rocks]

HA! :awesome: the latter.

[Iron_Stark]

Norton is really into this last interview I read, I see no reason for Hulk and even General Ross to appear in The Avengers.

lmao

:doh:
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

noob

[KangConquers]

Why do you think that? :huh:

I've seen it mentioned by film makers and movie execs. The cost of promotion, plus the cost to press the 3,500 copies of the movie, plus the movie theaters taking a good chunk out of it.

Do you really think Movie theaters show a new movie for free? They take several dollars per ticket...at the end, the studio only gets half the ticket back...that's why a movie like Superman Returns made 400 million and was still considered a failure, despite a 200 million budget.

[KangConquers]

Double post.

[Shivsguy616]

I've seen it mentioned by film makers and movie execs. The cost of promotion, plus the cost to press the 3,500 copies of the movie, plus the movie theaters taking a good chunk out of it.

Do you really think Movie theaters show a new movie for free? They take several dollars per ticket...at the end, the studio only gets half the ticket back...that's why a movie like Superman Returns made 400 million and was still considered a failure, despite a 200 million budget.

Um, no... the budget refers to the amount spent in total, including distribution, and the box office is the amount that the film gets to itself.

Superman was a failure because it was terrible, not because of its earnings.

[KangConquers]

No. Budget is soley what it costs to film the movie. You have no idea what other expenses go into a movie. Do you think theaters show movies out of the kindness of their heart and live off of charitable donations?!?!?! No way in hell...just like any form of entertainment, the venue (in this case a movie theatre) has to take a cut of the gross to survive. That cut of ticket price is upwards to half of the ticket.

Add to it Univeral's cut...do you think they distributed the movie for Marvel out of the kindness of their heart? I imagine marvel had to make a pretty sweet deal with them for them to allow Marvel to make TIH. Keep in mind that Universal signed a 3 movie deal with Marvel, which means they were perfectly entitled to reboot Hulk themselves. Marvel Studios had to give them some sort of incentive, or else they'd say "**** you, we're making the movie" or "**** you, you're on your own."

Between the theatres and the distributors dipping the beak, Marvel is LUCKY if they got half of The Incredible Hulk's 261,000,000 dollar worldwide gross. That'd be 130,500,000 dollars, on a film that cost 150,000,000 to produce, and another 25-50 million to promote. We're showing Marvel in the hole 70 million dollars.

The DVD as of the post Holiday season of 2008/2009 had only grossed 56 million in sales. When you take out the cost of producing the dvd and such, Marvel probably took home 40 million of that.

So...budget plus production= about 185 million
Box office + DVD= 171 million net...leaving Marvel Films 14 million dollars in the red.

Not really any incentive to make another one.

As for Superman Returns not getting a sequel because "It sucked"...that's far from the truth. Superman Returns was well recieved by critics, whereas TIH had something of a lukewarm reaction. It wasn't perfect, but it explored something of a philosophical quandary..does the world need Superman, and is it Superman's responsibility to save us?

Most of the complaining came from the superkid (totally valid) and the borrowed dialogue (also valid). That said the fact that Superman didn't have a giant epic fist fight with a Zod/ Braniac/ Mogul/ Metallo/ Doomsday isn't really imo a valid reason to call a movie bad. If all you look for in a Superhero movie is indiscriminant action, go watch Transformers.

[Ace of Knaves]

Critics don't represent the masses though.

[KangConquers]

Critics don't represent the masses though.

The Masses thought Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen was awesome, and flocked to it in droves...that doesn't make it any less of a piece of ****.

Five Hundred years ago, the masses thought the world was flat. Just because a lot of people think something doesn't make it necessarily true.

I'm not saying Superman Returns was There Will Be Blood, but it wasn't a terrible movie either. It had some small hint of artistic merit, which most comic book movies do not.

[KangConquers]

Anyway the point is The Hulk, a hero who has failed to capture the imagination of this generation on two seperate occasions. I think forcing him down people's throats who go to see it for Iron Man (and maybe Captain America and Thor) is a bad move. I'd say give him maybe 1/2 the screen time the big 3 get.

[terry78]

In essence, treat the Hulk how Wolverine should have been treated in the movies...the reluctant anti-hero that the others are at odds with and don't really know they need until later on.

[Son of Coul]

Pretty much.

[KangConquers]

In essence, treat the Hulk how Wolverine should have been treated in the movies...the reluctant anti-hero that the others are at odds with and don't really know they need until later on.

Except for the fact that Hulk shouldn't be the only character in the movie (Unlike Wolverine in the X-Men.)

[Son of Coul]

Well he said how Wolverine should have been treated, not how he was.

[KangConquers]

Well he said how Wolverine should have been treated, not how he was.

Then I agree.

[jadejaws]

The DVD as of the post Holiday season of 2008/2009 had only grossed 56 million in sales. When you take out the cost of producing the dvd and such, Marvel probably took home 40 million of that.

So...budget plus production= about 185 million
Box office + DVD= 171 million net...leaving Marvel Films 14 million dollars in the red.

Not really any incentive to make another one.

As for Superman Returns not getting a sequel because "It sucked"...that's far from the truth. Superman Returns was well recieved by critics, whereas TIH had something of a lukewarm reaction. It wasn't perfect, but it explored something of a philosophical quandary..does the world need Superman, and is it Superman's responsibility to save us?


Your opinion on Superman Returns is your opinion...and whether or not a person liked what it explored is completely subjective.

Let's also keep in mind that Hulk's DVD sales did NOT include Blu Ray (Green Ray) sales; which from what I read were quite high.

And one other note for what it's worth...the Hulk's budget varied from site to site between $130 and $150 mil. At this point, no one's been able to confirm a solid number. $150 seems to be what folks settled on, but it was never official.

[Cth]

Whole lot of misinformation going on here, so let's go with the facts:

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008/HULK2.php

Production budget: $137,500,000
(later unexplicably raised to $150 over at Box Office Mojo, presumably to include promotions -- since the CGI was finished literally at the last minute to the point of fans freaking out about the lack of promotions)

Besides, as we know, studios can move numbers any number of ways to make anything appear a loss.

TIH launched with 400,000 Blu-Ray sales which aren't factored into the above numbers.

Date DVDTop20 DVD% TotalTop20 BDtop20% BDTop20 BD/DVD*100
10/26/08 5,870,781 88% 6,671,342 12% 800,561 13.64 The Incredible Hulk

So, presumably 800k worth of Blu-Ray sales, almost 6 million on DVD (presumably counting rental copies, etc)

And while we're on the subject, none of the merchandising is factored into the above either.

The point is, it's useless to debate numbers as they can be manipulated any number of ways to prove a point. Anytime a release is near a record, they mysteriously find money. Most recently Kick-Ass beat HTTYDragon narrowly (even though there's the idea of kids buying tickets for HTTYD and sneaking into KA)

As far as Superman Returns/TIH stacking up:

Rotten Tomatoes:
SR Critics: Fresh:189 / Rotten:59 (76%)
SR Fans: Fresh:2312 / Rotten:843 (73%)
AVG: 2501 / 902 (73.4%)

TIH Critics: Fresh:136 / Rotten:70 (66%)
TIH Fans:Fresh:2950 / Rotten:424 (87%)
AVG:3086 / 494 (86.2%)

METACRITIC:
SR Critics: 72 (40 critics) Favorable
SR Fans: 5.7 (596 fans)

TIH Critics: 61 (38 critics) Favorable
TIH Fans: 7.7 (189 fans)

[Dark Raven]

We've talked about Hulk in the Avengers, but what about a Defenders movie down the line? Marvel own Hulk and Dr Strange. I don't know about Namor, but the Defenders doesn't need Silver Surfer. As long as they own Nighthawk, Valkyrie and Hellcat, they're good to go. I believe Marvel owns Luke Cage as well.

We could even one day have an Avengers vs Defenders movie.

[Rock Sexton]

I made the following comment over on the IM2 board and thought I'd say it over here as well ....Norton's Banner didn't want the Hulk weaponized. That could play a role in the Avengers as Fury and Co. attempt to recruit him, even though S.H.I.E.L.D. is more of a good faithed operation. He was dedicated to finally ridding himself of the Hulk.

What's interesting to think about it he has 31 days without incident. We we don't know in what context he was sitting in that room, although it appeared to be quite innocent as he was just meditating.

This makes the interpretation of the ending a little bit harder. To me, it was a very devious look he gave. Either he has suddenly learned to turn it on when he wants or it was to show us that the Hulk inside of him can't yet be controlled .... not even by meditation and special breathing.

[Rock Sexton]

We've talked about Hulk in the Avengers, but what about a Defenders movie down the line? Marvel own Hulk and Dr Strange. I don't know about Namor, but the Defenders doesn't need Silver Surfer. As long as they own Nighthawk, Valkyrie and Hellcat, they're good to go. I believe Marvel owns Luke Cage as well.

We could even one day have an Avengers vs Defenders movie.

I mean no offense ... but with all these comic names being thrown around, I think some of you are getting waaaaaay too ahead of yourselves. They are only putting out two Marvel movies a year. They've now got the IM, Thor, Cap, and Avengers franchises being fleshed out .... with the possibility of Edgar Wright's "Ant-Man" as well .....

I just don't see something Avengers vs. Defenders viable ... at least nowhere in the short-term. And by the time the idea might be explored, you've got age issues with the actors playing the Avengers.

[Spider-Vader]

I don't see Defenders happening. I think Avengers will be the only team movie series until Marvel/Disney get X-Men & FF back.

Is there even a Defender team in the comics right now?

[allhollows86]

Edward Nortonhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/BringBackEdNorton#) recently said that he would reprise the role of Bruce Banner, aka the incredible Hulk, if the fans wanted him to.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/05/14/edward-norton-the-avengers/

Show your support for Ed Norton as the Hulk by signing this petition! Hopefully, if we get enough signatures, the bigwigs at Marvel Studios will get the message!


http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/BringBackEdNorton

[Dark Raven]

I don't see Defenders happening. I think Avengers will be the only team movie series until Marvel/Disney get X-Men & FF back.

Is there even a Defender team in the comics right now?

Why wait to get those franchises back though? It could be years. If Marvel are already making Dr Strange and if they had the rights to Namor (i'm not sure if they do) then they've already got the big three of the Defenders (including the Hulk). They just need to put them together in one movie and throw in the other smaller three. It wouldn't be as difficult as the Avengers, especially since the Defenders were a non-team anyway without formal membership.

[Cyclonus]

Petition signed, everyone should sign that and email it to everyone they know. On another note, I don't know why so many people want the Hulk to be the villain or for the Hulk to fight the Avengers. It maybe because of the Ultimate Avengers or stories of him fighting hero's in the past. But there are stories of him helping other Marvel hero's alot. During the making of the Incredible Hulk, Marvel's big thing was they wanted the Hulk to be portrayed as a hero, they even advertised the movie that way before it was released. Now people want him to be a villain again? Hulk needs to be a member of the Avengers, a hero. He would just be that reluctant hero.

Hulk wants to be left alone, but from old stories and animated shows he also wanted a friend or friends which the Avengers would be. Now I could see him and Thor maybe getting into alittle to prove who is stronger, kind of like the Human Torch and the Thing did in the F4 movies, which could add a little humor to the movie. But Hulk should not be a villain in the Avengers. He needs to portrayed in a positive image, Banner even showed he was gaining control over the transformations at the end of the movie. The Hulk doesn't need to be portryed as a big rampaging emotionless, dumb monster, with a good script and his character written the right way they could some how fit him in the Avengers as a helping member instead of just fighting him

[donko]

I agree but unfortunately the Hulk will be a problem in the beginning of the film. That is if they follow the comic history. As for Banner being in control at the end of the movie? For all we know that could have been Loki smiling through Banner as he gained control of the Hulk. That ending could easily go a different way. It is obvious that the Hulk will be in the movie but Banner needs to be there as well. I want to see dialogue between Tony and Banner. They are opposites so it would make for good comic relief!

[Norm3]

I hope it play out like the Original series. With Hulk joining the Avengers. But they need to have him show some intelligence for a change. He needs to start speaking.

[Cyclonus]

Well they didn't portray the Hulk as dumb really in the 2008 version, so they should have him speak in the Avengers film, he was just quit most of the film talking wise. He did show some intelligence though in the beginning of the film when he transformed in that plant and the soldiers were trying to shoot at him and he said - leave me alone, also in the fight with the Abomination and the Abomination asked him - any last words, and the Hulk replied - Hulk Smash. He seemed to understand people when they spoke to him in the film, so he is not a complete savage Hulk, he did show intelligence in the other parts of the film also.

[Timstuff]

Edward Nortonhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/BringBackEdNorton#) recently said that he would reprise the role of Bruce Banner, aka the incredible Hulk, if the fans wanted him to.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/05/14/edward-norton-the-avengers/

Show your support for Ed Norton as the Hulk by signing this petition! Hopefully, if we get enough signatures, the bigwigs at Marvel Studios will get the message!


http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/BringBackEdNorton

Signed! I would have donated too, but I'm a bit cash-strapped right now. $10 would be pretty easy to part with since I'd consider it just using the money that would have gone to my ticket for Incredible Hulk 2 which I was not able to buy.

[Rock Sexton]

Anyone else think that part of the purposeful hype and "drama" leading up to the actual film is why there's so much unknown about the Hulk and whether or not Norton will reprise the role?

[jadejaws]

After reading the Hollywood Reporter article, I'm starting to scratch my head on whether the Hulk will even be included in Avengers at this point. Although, common sense dictates that Marvel would have to be completely "gone" to leave him out considering the RDJ cameo in TIH and the news snippet in IM2. IMO
One thing I've been wondering a lot lately is what they'll do visually with the Hulk should Norton not return. I mean, would Marvel completely redesign him at this point? Will the Hulk still look like the version we got in TIH? I personally enjoyed the design in 2008. There were a few things body wise that I may have done differently, but the facial/hair concepts were perfect. I guess I'd be disappointed if they went a completely different route...anyone have thoughts on what they might do?

[Son of Coul]

Feige has said Hulk is definitely in, Banner they're not sure yet.

[Rock Sexton]

Anyone check out this interview with Joe Carnahan ("Smokin' Aces") .... apparently Marvel had brief discussions with him to direct the Avengers. He had some interesting things to say about The Hulk .....

Paramount Pictures and Marvel Studios previously announced that “Firefly” and “Buffy” creator Joss Whedon would be helming the film, which is currently scheduled for release in 2012. But Carnahan confessed to MTV that he found more than a few interesting directions that he thinks a successful "Avengers" movie could go.

"You always wind up in conversations, and there was an 'Avengers' conversation," Carnahan admitted during an interview with MTV News on Saturday. "But it wasn't really a thorough one. I was sent the material [and] I loved it." Few details have been unveiled thus far about the film, but he reiterated some of the speculated story details, which include a team-up by Marvel superheroes to stop none other than the Hulk. "I think the 'Avengers' movie you make is Hulk tearing up Manhattan and the Avengers have got to go in there and shut him down," he said. "I think it's very cool."

Carnahan said that given the volume of mythologies and individual stories that each superhero could get into by him- or herself, there are only so many options that filmmakers have for a feature-length adventure. "I think that you're going to have to very quickly get to this situation where you start to make your heroes into villains," Carnahan observed. "I think that somebody like the Hulk, it's such a great place to take him."

At the same time he admitted that such creative decisions might kill the possibility for future installments for at least one of the involved heroes, who to date include Hulk, Iron Man, Black Widow, Thor, Captain America, Nick Fury, and Hawkeye. "[For Hulk] I think they may consider that kind of the franchise-killer, but I think something like that would be awfully interesting." Regardless, Carnahan acknowledged that he's as excited as the rest of us to see how Whedon and company help the Avengers assemble. "Listen - you've got Joss Whedon and he's talented as hell," he said. "I think he's going to do a fantastic job with that."

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/06/05/exclusive-a-team-director-joe-carnahan-was-in-talks-for-the-avengers-favored-hulk-as-villain/

[Doctor Jones]

So the Hulk will be bad? I'm fine with that. It gives more development room anyway and we can still see some Banner stuff.

[Rock Sexton]

So the Hulk will be bad? I'm fine with that. It gives more development room anyway and we can still see some Banner stuff.

My whole thing is why not do both? They have to take him down in the beginning, as sort of the initial test run of the Avengers all working together. This gets them ready for an even larger threat, when they will need his assistance.

Banner still hadn't learned how to control the Hulk until the end of TIH with the Abomination fight and the meditation scene. Yes, he indeed was learning to induce himself, I've watched the movie almost a hundred times already and that scene is quite blatant to me.... but now that he can, they could more strategically employ his abilities.

http://members.cox.net/rocksexton/Manips/hulkout.jpg

Norton definitely has the range to play a bad guy, but it wouldn't work in the course of a full Avengers movie because we already know Banner to be the likable scientist. Having Hulk in the movie with no Banner is like having Cap without his shield, Thor without his hammer, Iron Man without his suit ..... I mean talk about "short changing" the character. It would be almost offensive to only have the Hulk.

[Sarg92]

It would be stupid to have Hulk as the main villain in The Avengers! Marvel need to bring new characters that we haven't seen in films yet or bring other actual villains like Loki into the film so that there is a sense of this "Marvel Universe" and that all these characters exist in the same place!

Hulk is fine for being a threat that is the first mission for the Avengers but there should be an actual villain in the film that is of a bigger threat than the Hulk and in the end they need his help to take the villain down. Correct me if I'm wrong but in the comics; didn't the Avengers team up to take down a Loki controlled Hulk and then he helped them later on to take down Loki?

One thing that I don't like from the Carnahan interview is that Marvel are considering or have considered using Hulk as the villain so that they can kill off any possibility of a Hulk franchise!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If Hulk is the main villain it will be a ridiculous decision by Marvel, as they will run the characters name into the ground, the Hulk is an anti-hero, not a villain.

I wouldnt mind him 'appearing' as a villain for the first half of the movie, but during a fight the Hulk saves a bunch of innocents from a collapsing building and they realise he isnt a villain, he is just defending himself.

I am really interested with what Whedon does with the character, but I hope they aint making him the villain.

[Microchip]

Don't know if everyone saw this comment in the other thread, but...
I have it on good authority that Ed Norton is returning and, depending on scheduling, he'll be appearing alongside Renner et al for the official announcements at SDCC.
That'd be great. In the buildup to the Avengers movie, maybe when it's about 6-8 months off, they should release a TIH director's cut. (A)because it'll remind everyone about the Hulk who will have been absent for about 4 years by that point, and (B)because it'd probably be a better movie, a lot of the cut stuff looked interesting.

[Spidey Snooch]

If Edward Norton and Marvel don't work things out, how about Frank Whaley for Banner? He's DEFINITELY got the whole semi-psycho thing going on; he usually looks like he's about 5 seconds from snapping. I think he's perfect.

[Spider-Vader]

Not gonna happen. It's pretty likely Norton's gonna return & THANK GOD! Norton's a great Banner.

I'd be fun with dumb Hulk, as long as he talks more. I think Hawkeye & Hulk could be the comedic relief in the movie.

[OptimusPrime114]

I've been thinking lately. If they ever do new hulk movie that is based on that storyline from the 80's where the Hulk, for time, had Banner's brain, how should they do that?

[irapogi]

i have a feeling we'll have norton in the avengers panel as a surprise in SDCC. i'd totally cream myself if that happened.

[Avengers-Report]

Anyone else think that part of the purposeful hype and "drama" leading up to the actual film is why there's so much unknown about the Hulk and whether or not Norton will reprise the role?

It is interesting, but idk if it is puposeful.

[R_Hythlodeus]

so.... anything new?

[irapogi]

sadly no i guess. i'm overseas so i can't tell properly, but how far away is SDCC?

[ironman29758]

If Hulk is the main villain it will be a ridiculous decision by Marvel, as they will run the characters name into the ground, the Hulk is an anti-hero, not a villain.

I wouldnt mind him 'appearing' as a villain for the first half of the movie, but during a fight the Hulk saves a bunch of innocents from a collapsing building and they realise he isnt a villain, he is just defending himself.

I am really interested with what Whedon does with the character, but I hope they aint making him the villain.
If they do show the Hulk to Ultimate Hulk, Hulk in Avengers ORIGIN and the first 3 Avengers issue, Hulk: Gray # 4, The Return of the incredible Hulk, and episodes like Iron Man Armored Aventures, FF:WGH, Wolverine and the X-men, Incredible Hulk film. Where he is just attacking everything in sight and something someone use his anger to direct it something

[topdog1]

i have a feeling we'll have norton in the avengers panel as a surprise in SDCC. i'd totally cream myself if that happened.

If this rumor is true, bring a change of pants!

http://www.**************.com/fansites/Kaboom/news/?a=19854

"Now comes word from the direct source that said Edward Norton and Jeremy Renner would be confirmed for The Avengers at Comic-Con 2010, that the director of Doctor Strange will be Guillermo Del Toro and should be announced later this month at Comic-Con 2010 as well."

Guillermo Del Toro is MADE to do Dr. Strange and ED NORTON confirmed in Avengers would make my July!!!!!!!

[Doc Ock]

I sure hope Edward Norton is in Avengers....I deeply hope so....

[Sawyer]

If Edward's not in, I walk. I'm not bluffing.

[Venom'sDad]

Likewise

[donko]

Marvel needs to stop recasting characters. Edward Norton did a fine job as Bruce / Hulk. This is the same excuse they used for recasting Terence Howard.

[JP]

I donno, remember when negotiations weren't looking good with Sam Jackson. And everyone made it seem like him playing Nick Fury was a lost cause. Then, a few weeks later they announce he has a 500 picture deal.

[Jaxxon]

Until the studio confirms it and the question mark is removed from the end of that headline, I see it as a rumor. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Son of Coul]

this is the worst thing in the world

[Son of Coul]

I don't get worked up about these movies. They're all just good fun. That's Marvel to me. Good fun about some fun characters with some fun powers. I don't take them too seriously. I was a little disappointed in the Terrance Howard recast at first but I ultimately turned the other cheek because Don Cheadle's a good actor and it wouldn't hurt the movie's continuity much. It's all just good fun. But upon reading the hitflix article I damn near punched a hole in the wall. Awful, awful decision making on Marvel's part if true. And I hope to the lord it isn't.

I'm sure the movie will be great if Whedon really is blowing the actors' minds with some meetings, but ****. Major bummer.

[Sawyer]

this is potentially the worst thing in the world

fixed.

[Iron_Stark]

I'm serious, I don't care if Iron Man is in this, if they decide to go with an unknown even though Norton wants to do this, I'm boycotting.

FU Marvel, FU Feige.

[Da-Scribe]

If this rumor ends up being true, then the Avengers film won't mean nearly as much to me. I've never cared too much about recasting, but that's usually because the character is minor or the actor sucks. Huge character + amazing actor = recast? That's beyond terrible decision making. But we'll see...

[Son of Coul]

I was prepared for no Banner, but a replacement Banner would be an even bigger slap in the face to anyone following these movies, bigtime fans or not.

[Whiskey Tango]

http://www.**************.com/fansites/Kaboom/news/?a=19854

"Now comes word from the direct source that said Edward Norton and Jeremy Renner would be confirmed for The Avengers at Comic-Con 2010, that the director of Doctor Strange will be Guillermo Del Toro and should be announced later this month at Comic-Con 2010 as well."

Del Toro on Doc Strange would be amazing but it sounds a little too good to be true, ya know? Plus they took the story down so the link is dead. I guess we'll know more in a few weeks.

I really hope Ed is going to be a part of Avengers. He sounded like he was really into the idea last I heard and it's going to be pretty disappointing if they have to recast.

In fact I'd just as soon they use Hulk and not even have an appearance by Banner, if the alternative is to recast. It's bad enough when it's a supporting character like Rhodey or Dawes but when it's one of your main dudes...ugh.

Norton for Avengers plz!

[Spikey]

I donno, remember when negotiations weren't looking good with Sam Jackson. And everyone made it seem like him playing Nick Fury was a lost cause. Then, a few weeks later they announce he has a 500 picture deal.

Also, remember the negotiations with Favreau and Mickey Rourke in Iron Man 2

I'd like to wait to SDCC to see if this is true.

[Son of Coul]

I'd like to not have to wait to see if it's true :hehe:

[RedIsNotBlue]

If Norton is out which would be the suck the mention of just casting an unknown seems really like a total move for the studio just save a little more money. Give someone like Adrian Brody a shot at Bruce Banner instead of some guy who was an extra on that one show that lasted a week.

[Ipodman]

Man.... I was hoping for Ed Norton to come back :(

What has he been doing ever since Incredible Hulk anyway?

[Son of Coul]

seriously though
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[LostSon88]

One of the biggest appeals of "The Avengers" for me was seeing how these 4 guys work with each other. ESPECIALLY RDJs Tony Stark and Norton's Bruce Banner.

Having those two guys on screen together? :wow:

...i'm still to this day irked over the Rhodey recast (though I think Cheadle is better) on an aesthetic level.

If Norton isn't in The Avengers...to say i'd be "disappointed" would be an understatement. :csad:

[LostSon88]

Man.... I was hoping for Ed Norton to come back :(

What has he been doing ever since Incredible Hulk anyway?

I think he produced a documentary regarding President Obama?

[Son of Coul]

But upon reading the hitflix article I damn near punched a hole in the wall.
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[Figs]

seriously though
XhI0OVs_zj0

This sums up my thoughts as well.

This sucks bigtime.

[Hurm...]

Guys, keep in mind that this may be a financial issue Marvel is facing. This doesn't mean they don't want him back, it's just that he may be too expensive to bring back that it may cut the budget in other areas. Keep in mind, Marvel studios is relatively new.

[Iron_Stark]

Guys, keep in mind that this may be a financial issue Marvel is facing. This doesn't mean they don't want him back, it's just that he may be too expensive to bring back that it may cut the budget in other areas. Keep in mind, Marvel studios is relatively new.

With Disney backing them, money shouldn't be an issue. Marvel and Feige are being b***es.

[misjuevos]

i really dont care too much about banner, just the hulk. so make him the talking hulk and cut out banner for the most part. just use banner for hulk movies, for the avengers stick with the hulk. banner has been shown way too much for my taste. not enough hulk live action going on. either dive in with both feet or leave the hulk out. time to put your nuts on the table marvel

[Chewy]

This sounds a lot like a story involving a certain Star Wars actor's negotiations pre-IM2.

[Son of Coul]

If Marvel turns out to be pulling some AMAZING ruse and have Norton show up at comic-con, interrupting Cap's satellite panel or something to announce his involvement, they will have pulled off what would potentially be the greatest red herring/prank/whatever on the fans of all time.

but that is highly unlikely. Let's hope they're not serious about this and that **** will work itself out in due time like it did with about half of the IM2 cast.

I recall Norton saying in some recent interview that he's seen studio execs white-knuckling over fan reaction on the internet, so they're watching. And given the comments I've seen on many sites in these 2 hours alone I think it's safe to say they're scared ****less.

[Whiskey Tango]

With Disney backing them, money shouldn't be an issue. Marvel and Feige are being b***es.

Maybe you should wait for the whole story before you start calling people *****es.

As has been mentioned, this same thing happened with Sam Jackson, Favs and Mickey Roarke. Marvel isn't going to suddenly drop the ball right here at the endgame. Odds are that Ed is already in and they're just waiting for CC to announce it.

[LostSon88]

Guys, keep in mind that this may be a financial issue Marvel is facing. This doesn't mean they don't want him back, it's just that he may be too expensive to bring back that it may cut the budget in other areas. Keep in mind, Marvel studios is relatively new.

I understand they're a business but when they came out with a set plan of what they wanted to do, they should've been aware of how ambitious and expensive the project they were going to undertake.

Back in 2008 when they announced all their plans for all these solo films leading up to "The Avengers" they just had to know that this was going to cost a butt load of cash.

And for them to continiously attempt to low ball their talent, from Sam Jackson, Jon Faverau, Mickey Rourke and then overpaying Terrance Howard AND THEN lowball him...I mean seriously, what the hell?

And now they're (reportedly) doing it again with Norton.

I mean its not like they're not going to make their money back I mean whatever figure Norton's people may want will be peanuts compared to what Marvel Studios has and will continue to make on their movie franchises.

[Khemik@L]

I refuse to accept this. Nope Nope. That would be a terrible decision. Imma wait till we get some official confirmation.

[LostSon88]

Comic-con...I can't help but feel that Comic-con is when this will all be cleared up.

[Son of Coul]

If it's true then Marvel's inevitably awesome panels of Thor, Cap, along with whatever supposedly great announcements they're gonna make will be tainted by this news and everyone bringing it up in questions and riots, while Marvel desperately attempts to save face and unsuccessfully justify it.

God help us all.

[topdog1]

If Marvel turns out to be pulling some AMAZING ruse and have Norton show up at comic-con, interrupting Cap's satellite panel or something to announce his involvement, they will have pulled off what would potentially be the greatest red herring/prank/whatever on the fans of all time.

but that is highly unlikely. Let's hope they're not serious about this and that **** will work itself out in due time like it did with about half of the IM2 cast.

I recall Norton saying in some recent interview that he's seen studio execs white-knuckling over fan reaction on the internet, so they're watching. And given the comments I've seen on many sites in these 2 hours alone I think it's safe to say they're scared ****less.

All very good points. I'm as big a Marvel nut as there is and even I'm angered at this possibility. They are either SEVERELY underestimating Norton's appeal as Banner and how much ALL the fans are going to complain or they're faking us out but good. I pray it's the fake out. Movie fans everywhere, not just fanboys, deserve to see Downey and Norton on screen together.

[kaijunexus]

Done. If this is true, I'm done.

[spider-neil]

if there is no norton then don't hav banner at all. have hulk appear in the movie with no alter ego

[topdog1]

If it's true then Marvel's inevitably awesome panels of Thor, Cap, along with whatever supposedly great announcements they're gonna make will be tainted by this news and everyone bringing it up in questions and riots, while Marvel desperately attempts to save face and unsuccessfully justify it.

God help us all.

"Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter."

I'm all for the riot idea. Let me know the time and place and I'll bring the torches and pitchforks.

[Doc Ock]

if there is no norton then don't hav banner at all. have hulk appear in the movie with no alter ego

I do agree with that, but I would still be complaining up a storm for the lack of Norton.....

[Son of Coul]

Part of what's such a ***** about the report is that Norton was so happy with Whedon's ideas and jived so well with the whole thing that he cleared his schedule. If they were on mutual terms of not wanting to work together it'd suck but what can you do, better to have production go smoothly than be on bad terms throughout. But here Marvel's become the bad guy, something I didn't see coming. Again, let's hope the hardball negotiations work out again, because we need it now more than ever.

[donez510]

I wonder if Eric Bana will be available lol jk

[hame4479]

I bet they turn around and he ends up in the film. I can't imagine after this fan reaktion they wouldnt try and mend it. Marvel has been relatively good about listening to us, the fan base.

[Superhero 101]

If Marvel Doesn't cast Norton as Hulk and some unknown ass then Marvel is ****ing up!!!!

[Batman713]

Marvel can go suck it. This film just went further down the ****ter. Next to IM1, TIH was the best "recent" marvel superhero movie.

[Son of Coul]

It's funny, when big news about these movies break, news sites/blogs usually report it rather objectively, but all of them on this one are going- "And so Hitflix has reported that Marvel will be dropping Edward Norton from the Avengers and casting an unknown in his place. ...THIS SUCKS ASS!"

For a movie that was received fairly lukewarm at the time of its release, the backlash of this news in the comments of these sites has been enormous. Marvel's really gonna end up eating their own **** at comic-con after all this "for the fans!" and "continuity!" stuff they've been saying for the last three years. That is, if they don't mend this.

But really, how fly would it be if they were doing an Avengers thing and were like "AND FINALLY, DR. BRUCE BANNER, THE INCREDIBLE HULK HIMSELF -- DAVID DUCHOVNY!" and Edward Norton walks out instead to thunderous applause.

[Rock Sexton]

What freakin "Hitflix" article are people whining about?

[Rock Sexton]

N/M .... just saw it.

I'm not buying it. Not one bit. Simply put, they're not going to re-cast that character for the THIRD TIME in 7 years.

Alas, if they do make the mistake, I'll be waiting for the DVD release.

[Stripesy Strip]

I would go with Jason Patric.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :cmad:

Norton was awesome :csad:

i seriously hope this is just BS. kind of like last year when it was reported that Sam Worthington would replace Christian Bale in the new Batman movie :whatever:

[LostSon88]

Nah, that was proven to be a b.s. rumor created by the Austrailian press to hype up one of their own...Sam Worthington.