The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread.

[jmc]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/ed-norton-avengers-statement.jpg

[Timstuff]

The fact that Norton managed to keep things classy while Feige made thinly veiled negative insinuations about Norton IMO shows who the bad guy here was.

[louiebling$]

Marvel makes 2 mistakes and all the fanboys have risen with their pitch forks..... Marvel and Fiege have done a **** load more Good then they have ****d up... but they **** up and the fanboys tear them to threads......Hence the name FANBOY :doh:


Come on guys........:dry:

[TheTurtle]

Marvel makes 2 mistakes and all the fanboys have risen with their pitch forks..... Marvel and Fiege have done a **** load more Good then they have ****d up... but they **** up and the fanboys tear them to threads......Hence the name FANBOY :doh:


Come on guys........:dry:

Come on, what?

Just beccause Marvel has done some good things doesn't mean people should just shrug it off when they screw up.

[Doc Ock]

Marvel makes 2 mistakes and all the fanboys have risen with their pitch forks..... Marvel and Fiege have done a **** load more Good then they have ****d up... but they **** up and the fanboys tear them to threads......Hence the name FANBOY :doh:


Come on guys........:dry:

Well that may true but i'm tired of all these recast/reboots/ whatever in comic book films. I no longer get to see Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man, and i'm still annoyed about it. Sure i'm not as mad but I still slightly am.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You guys really need to lay off that. It wasn't a year ago everyone was saying "he's the best exec or whatever he is in the world. He gets us! He knows what he's doing." But now that he got rid of a problem(I don't think he's gone, but I think they are playing the SLJ bit and seeing how fans will bite)that could have cost them the Avengers movie from the inside. Rememeber, Samuel L Jackson was saying he doesn't think he's playing Nick Fury and before you know it he signed a 9 picture deal...which also had a backlash after he said he doesn't think Marvel wants him for Fury. Samething here....except the stuio announced it but I honestly think at CC, fans will be in for a surprise once Norton is on that panel with Fiege.

Samuel L Jackson was given a 2 minute scene as Nick Fury in an end of credits scene only fanboys will have watched. Norton headlined a whole freaking movie, replacing Jackson after IM1 for The Avengers wouldnt have made much difference, replacing Norton as one of the headliners of the movie is a huge difference.

[Leenie]

I'm uber disappointed to hear about Edward Norton. He was great in The Incredible Hulk, and he will be missed in the Avengers movie. :(

I hope Marvel picks a good replacement.

[Galactus123]

This is very very big mistake. If the stories are connected this doesn't make any sense. I want Norton back!

[Iron_Stark]

Marvel makes 2 mistakes and all the fanboys have risen with their pitch forks..... Marvel and Fiege have done a **** load more Good then they have ****d up... but they **** up and the fanboys tear them to threads......Hence the name FANBOY :doh:


Come on guys........:dry:

Yeah, come on what? Just because they do some good we should blindly follow them like sheep kiss their asses and be ok with their decisions even though we have invested time and money in these characters.

Wouldn't that be the real definition of a fanboy?

[Iron_Stark]

They should have fired and shipped Fiege to a remote part in Siberia and kept Norton.

Fixed for you. :cwink:

[Webhead38]

Lets be honest. Love it or hate it, the Norton Hulk didn't fare any better at the box office than the Ang Lee monstrosity. From a fanboy perspective, the studio has you locked in for a ticket to see the Avengers whether Norton is there or not. I can't see anyone dismissing the entire film over a minimal role that will likely not require any real effort. Your CGI Hulk will have more screen time than anyone standing in front of the cameras as Bruce Banner.

[Whiskey Tango]

Yeah, come on what? Just because they do some good we should blindly follow them like sheep kiss their asses and be ok with their decisions even though we have invested time and money in these characters.

Wouldn't that be the real definition of a fanboy?

No, but it wouldn't hurt to conduct yourself like an adult.

[Sarg92]

Lets be honest. Love it or hate it, the Norton Hulk didn't fare any better at the box office than the Ang Lee monstrosity. From a fanboy perspective, the studio has you locked in for a ticket to see the Avengers whether Norton is there or not. I can't see anyone dismissing the entire film over a minimal role that will likely not require any real effort. Your CGI Hulk will have more screen time than anyone standing in front of the cameras as Bruce Banner.

If it is a minimal role then why would Feige say that Marvel are gonna cast a "name" actor for The Avengers?

[Docker2.0]

Marvel makes 2 mistakes and all the fanboys have risen with their pitch forks..... Marvel and Fiege have done a **** load more Good then they have ****d up... but they **** up and the fanboys tear them to threads......Hence the name FANBOY :doh:


Come on guys........:dry:

Yep! It's clear that Marvel got rid of both Norton and Howard because of their attitudes on the set and they didn't want to bring that to the table with the Avengers because the movie is an unprecedented assemble movie that really hasn't been done before. You'd think fanboys(yep I'm using that word to)would see that but they only want their way and that's it. They can complain all they want but come 2012 they will see the movie. And if they don't, who cares. I'm going to see it 2-3 times, just for the awesomeness of SLJ. :o

[Webhead38]

If it is a minimal role then why would Feige say that Marvel are gonna cast a "name" actor for The Avengers?

Because hero flicks are the "in" genre right now. Their making money and it's good exposure if your a recognizable actor in need of a hit. So getting a named actor doesn't mean their knocking on Robert Deniro's door. There are plenty of well known actors who haven't had success in a while. Translation: Marvel dictates the money while the actor gets propped up with a high profile hit on their resume.

[Tony Stark]

People are just speculating about this. None of us know what went on in those negotiations, or what caused them to stall. It seems like it was financial but if they cast an actor like Joaquin Phoenix, I can't immagine him being that much cheaper than Norton.

Norton acted with class, and any outcry was through his publicist, and it was mild at best. Fiege was an idiot to do what he did, in the way he did it.

However, lets not trash the movie because of one guys dumb mistake. If he had kept it classy and Norton was gone, people would still be *****ing. I agree it's dissapointing that he and Robert won't be on screen together, at least in this movie, but we should be supportive of the efforts of Wheadon and Favreau to get this thing made. Those two had nothing to do with contract negotiations.

I'm just as dissapointed as anyone else is about this, but let's try to show some class. I don't know Kevin Fiege, and while this was a bad move on his part, I'm not going to beat the whole guys career up over this one incident. If it continues, that's another matter.

[goh78]

I'm disappointed that Norton won't return, but not enough to start boycotting or predicting a horrible movie by any means. Norton is a top tier talent, and however you slice it, it sucks that he won't be a part of it. To those who talk/complain about his 'being hard to work with', remember that Brando had the same reputation. It's because Norton cares so much about the role that he comes off as difficult it has always seemed to me (I'm not claiming to know for sure either way, I am behind a keyboard, not on set).

The real loser in all of this is the continuity and the fans. We will get our third Bruce Banner in three Hulk movies, and miss out on an incredible talent in Norton. That being said, the Joaquin Phoenix rumors are interesting and I think he would be a phenomenal choice.

[Doctor Jones]

People are just speculating about this. None of us know what went on in those negotiations, or what caused them to stall. It seems like it was financial but if they cast an actor like Joaquin Phoenix, I can't immagine him being that much cheaper than Norton.

Norton acted with class, and any outcry was through his publicist, and it was mild at best. Fiege was an idiot to do what he did, in the way he did it.

However, lets not trash the movie because of one guys dumb mistake. If he had kept it classy and Norton was gone, people would still be *****ing. I agree it's dissapointing that he and Robert won't be on screen together, at least in this movie, but we should be supportive of the efforts of Wheadon and Favreau to get this thing made. Those two had nothing to do with contract negotiations.

I'm just as dissapointed as anyone else is about this, but let's try to show some class. I don't know Kevin Fiege, and while this was a bad move on his part, I'm not going to beat the whole guys career up over this one incident. If it continues, that's another matter.

Well said.

I know the GA won't care as much but I'll still be kind of bummed. :csad:

The GA might be confused at first about it. But they won't care and throw a fit. They might think it's weird they're getting a replacement, and some might be bummed (not everyone will go "Pfft!") But for the msot part in two years people won't care that much.

And whoever Marvel casts and if he's awesome and the movie is awesome people will go back and praise Fiege as a saint like none of this happened.

[Doctor Jones]

You guys really need to lay off that. It wasn't a year ago everyone was saying "he's the best exec or whatever he is in the world. He gets us! He knows what he's doing." But now that he got rid of a problem(I don't think he's gone, but I think they are playing the SLJ bit and seeing how fans will bite)that could have cost them the Avengers movie from the inside. Rememeber, Samuel L Jackson was saying he doesn't think he's playing Nick Fury and before you know it he signed a 9 picture deal...which also had a backlash after he said he doesn't think Marvel wants him for Fury. Samething here....except the stuio announced it but I honestly think at CC, fans will be in for a surprise once Norton is on that panel with Fiege.

That's just wishful thinking. I'm pretty sure he's gone. Norton wouldn't write up something for us if it wasn't the case.

[Golgo-13]

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/ed-norton-avengers-statement.jpg

VERY VERY classy. :up:

Feige should take notes.

[louiebling$]

Well that may true but i'm tired of all these recast/reboots/ whatever in comic book films. I no longer get to see Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man, and i'm still annoyed about it. Sure i'm not as mad but I still slightly am. o I'm annoyed at this as well I loved Norton as Banner.. but we really don't know the circumstances that leas the this direction. Do we really know wht happened with Norton? We have all heard of the troubles of TIH. I do not approve of Norton Not Promoting the movie regardless of him not Gettin his "final cut". How childish is that? He threw a fit because he didn't get it his way. I can see marvel seeing him and being a negative more than a postive.. who knows wht kind of demands norton made like demanding that if he sign that he gets a TIH 2 or more screen time that Evans or Hemsworth. We really don't know what happened during those meetings. Yea we maybe getting the negative side of Feige but you honestly think Norton was an Angel throughout al this? I doubt it I highly doubt it.

Yeah, come on what? Just because they do some good we should blindly follow them like sheep kiss their asses and be ok with their decisions even though we have invested time and money in these characters.

Wouldn't that be the real definition of a fanboy?
No I'm not saying kissing their asses,I'm saying not to be Whiny lil babies about it... like saying "**** Feige","**** Marvel" Blah blah Blah... act your age not your Shoe Size. And read my above post,cuz that's the way I feel about it. Also you guys honestly think this was Feige Decision and his Alone? No there were others who were involed in him not returning.... and directors also have a lot of say when it comes to casting their films... doesn't look like Whedon put up much of a fight for him Like Favs did for Downey. This does not fall on Feige alone... that man has been on a pedistal from us for a long time and cuz he makes a Dumb Mistake he treat him like ****? How stupid is that?

Its really stupid in my opinion... people make mistakes in life..... and you live and you learn. Hollywood is a trough indusrtry and Marvel is trying to make the best films possible while trying to please tha fans/Fanboys and the General Audience as well... its a tough task.. we should be giving them praise for what they have done for us so far, Which is a lot.
No, but it wouldn't hurt to conduct yourself like an adult. Exactly

[JeetKuneDo]

o I'm annoyed at this as well I loved Norton as Banner.. but we really don't know the circumstances that leas the this direction. Do we really know wht happened with Norton? We have all heard of the troubles of TIH. I do not approve of Norton Not Promoting the movie regardless of him not Gettin his "final cut". How childish is that? He threw a fit because he didn't get it his way. I can see marvel seeing him and being a negative more than a postive.. who knows wht kind of demands norton made like demanding that if he sign that he gets a TIH 2 or more screen time that Evans or Hemsworth. We really don't know what happened during those meetings. Yea we maybe getting the negative side of Feige but you honestly think Norton was an Angel throughout al this? I doubt it I highly doubt it.


No I'm not saying kissing their asses,I'm saying not to be Whiny lil babies about it... like saying "**** Feige","**** Marvel" Blah blah Blah... act your age not your Shoe Size. And read my above post,cuz that's the way I feel about it. Also you guys honestly think this was Feige Decision and his Alone? No there were others who were involed in him not returning.... and directors also have a lot of say when it comes to casting their films... doesn't look like Whedon put up much of a fight for him Like Favs did for Downey. This does not fall on Feige alone... that man has been on a pedistal from us for a long time and cuz he makes a Dumb Mistake he treat him like ****? How stupid is that?

Its really stupid in my opinion... people make mistakes in life..... and you live and you learn. Hollywood is a trough indusrtry and Marvel is trying to make the best films possible while trying to please tha fans/Fanboys and the General Audience as well... its a tough task.. we should be giving them praise for what they have done for us so far, Which is a lot.

Marvel is actually trying to do what most fans have dreamed about for decades. "Wouldn't it be cool if they could have all the different characters in the same movie? Man...I know it could never happen...but how cool would that be? I would lose it!"

Judging by the reactions to this, Feige just needs to wait a while and do something "classy" next year. Fans will forget all about this and praise him. (Hey..it worked for Norton)

[jab1118]

Well played Norton always a fan of the guy who acts like a child behind the scenes but puts out the classy statement. Feige needed a better publicist

[MelbourneGirl]

He took the high road, this is why I love Norton.

Feige can take some lessons, that was very irresponsible.

[misjuevos]

Norton had no choice but to take the highroad. If he *****es then he proves marvel's point about being difficult. So he just writes a faux concession. He just wants to keep people on his side cause he has a movie career to worry about. He said he doesn't like to reveal what goes on to protect the audience that's just ********. Most people know how stuff is done. He sure didn't worry about that when he whined about the cut of the film. Norton is just trying to keep his reputation in tact. I don't see what the big deal is. I want to see the hulk. I don't care who banner is.

[louiebling$]

I think his statement is sincere but he just left out the negative and who wouldn't he wants to look good... id prolly do the same if I was in his position.He obviously has a lot of love for the chracter like we do and I truly hope his words were sincere.

[Son of Coul]

misjuevos, Though I agree that people are foolish to expect anything different from Norton, he was concerned during TIH about revealing behind the scenes-
"Our healthy process [of collaboration], which is and should be a private matter, was misrepresented publicly as a 'dispute', seized on by people looking for a good story, and has been distorted to such a degree that it risks distracting from the film itself, which Marvel, Universal and I refuse to let happen. It has always been my firm conviction that films should speak for themselves and that knowing too much about how they are made diminishes the magic of watching them."
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20191802,00.html

[Rac]

I must say I am extremely disappointed that they are not bringing Norton back.

Can't say I am excited for Thor, Cap or Avengers after Iron Man 2, the Thor bts material and this news.

[MelbourneGirl]

What was wrong with the Thor bts? It looked pretty interesting. I'm sure whatever is at Comic Con will be great.

[Rac]

What was wrong with the Thor bts? It looked pretty interesting. I'm sure whatever is at Comic Con will be great.
I don't know, it made it look pretty cheap-ish to me...

[drax]

misjuevos, Though I agree that people are foolish to expect anything different from Norton, he was concerned during TIH about revealing behind the scenes-

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20191802,00.html

I find that really funny from someone who don't want to destroy the magic of the movies and the pleasure of the fans with the behind the scene stuff, but he is the first to have done that, he don't have hesitated to say how Marvel have cheated him about the editing and he don't have wanted to do the promo of Hulk because of that (who have probably hurted really badly the BO).

Another thing I have found funny it's the message in the board of Kevin Feige from imdb.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0270559/

Lot of insults.

[Grommers]

I agree it looked cheapish however so did Batman and Ironman.

So I'm fine with it looking cheapish now, because I really think it will be a very grande spectacle.


Big props to Fiege for not calling out Norton on what the real issues and his demands were, he could of made Norton look really bad and ruin his career.

Props to marvel for that one.

[louiebling$]

I must say I am extremely disappointed that they are not bringing Norton back.

Can't say I am excited for Thor, Cap or Avengers after Iron Man 2, the Thor bts material and this news.
Bts?

[Obi-Ron]

Bringing Thor's Sandwich, it's a documentary by the caterer.

[I Am Jack's...]

I'm pissed that Norton's not coming back, and while I won't boycott the Avengers or curse Feige, this royally sucks.

Sharlto Copley is the only one I would be legitimately excited to see take over as Banner.

[louiebling$]

I'm pissed that Norton's not coming back, and while I won't boycott the Avengers or curse Feige, this royally sucks.

Sharlto Copley is the only one I would be legitimately excited to see take over as Banner.
Agreed I ****ing loved him in A Team Prolly the best characters in the movie and really showed off how diverse he can be compared to D9.... Hell the character from D9 reminded me of Banner a lot especially when he became a full form alien.

[Son of Coul]

I'm pissed that Norton's not coming back, and while I won't boycott the Avengers or curse Feige, this royally sucks.

Sharlto Copley is the only one I would be legitimately excited to see take over as Banner.
Same here. 99% of the time I don't agree with fancasting but this one I'm totally behind. If they must replace him, Copley would be an awesome addition. He's proven to have great chops to be in both starring roles (D9) and ensembles (A-Team).

Plus he resembles Norton enough to have it not be as distracting as it has potential to be. He just needs to throw on a good American accent.

[Matt]

In this whole ordeal, I've come up with the following equation:

Edward Norton = Conan, Marvel = NBC

I'm with Eddy.

Not quite. Norton is a nightmare to work with where as Conan is reputedly one of the nicest men in Hollywood.

I'm curious what Whedon's role in all of this was. I find it very hard to believe that he wouldn't have had a say in this.

[OptimusPrime114]

He just needs to throw on a good American accent.
He does. You did watch A-Team, right?

[Doc Ock]

Not quite. Norton is a nightmare to work with where as Conan is reputedly one of the nicest men in Hollywood.

I'm curious what Whedon's role in all of this was. I find it very hard to believe that he wouldn't have had a say in this.

I want to know what Whedon's thoughts are on all this.

[Son of Coul]

He does. You did watch A-Team, right?
Yeah, but it was a little more southern. I watched a bad bootleg though, so maybe I'm wrong.

[Gamma Goliath]

Bts?
behind the scenes

[Doc Samson]

Can't say I'm terribly surprised, given the history of what "supposedly" happened, but my big thing in movies of any kind with sequels is continuity. This is especially true with Superhero films. Enough people were confused already between Ang's film & Norton's, and yet again, we'll have another Bruce Banner with a whole different interpretation and more than likely, yet another design for the Hulk himself. At some point, it just cheapens the character IMO

[Ipodman]

Not quite. Norton is a nightmare to work with where as Conan is reputedly one of the nicest men in Hollywood.

I'm curious what Whedon's role in all of this was. I find it very hard to believe that he wouldn't have had a say in this.

Whedon probably assumed he'll be getting Norton.

[Doc Ock]

Whedon probably assumed he'll be getting Norton.

Whedon should go all Echo/Buffy Summers/River Tam all over Marvel. :hehe:

[donko]

I think Adrien Brody could also pull off the role and he would fit right in with the other major players. Check him out in Splice and Predators, he holds his own in both films.

[JackMercy]

I want to know what Whedon's thoughts are on all this.

I'm sure someone will ask him during Comic Con... :dry:

:whatever:

:facepalm: @ Marvel's inability to "deal" with Norton...or seemingly many of their other high profile hires...

In PR speak, Feige's words are indeed quite insulting...sounds like he still has a grudge from the events of 2008. Apparently Marvel's also too cheap to hire a decent publicist. You don't publicly bash your industry contemps...it's one sure-fire way to isolate your company in the future.

It's pretty obvious who comes out looking better in regards to all matters Hulk...again.

[louiebling$]

Whedon probably assumed he'll be getting Norton.
So you think he had no involvement whatsoever with Norton not getting the gig?

Come on now... he was involved too he is the DIRECTOR. He gets a Say.... but like I said earlier... Jon fought for RDJ...... Whedon didn't fight for Norton as far as we know... and as far as we know Norton isn't a little angel and I hate that everyone is treaying him like one and Fiege the Devil.

[misjuevos]

All i've been saying is norton is full of it. He wants to keep the audience sheltered but whines about the cut of the film. Says he doesn't want to let audience into behind the scenes stuff. But that is what movies are now. They sale special editions with extra bts stuff to let the audience into the "magic". So norton is really just trying to cover his ass and make sure he gets work in the future. No one wants to hire an actor who is difficult and talks bad about the film. From marvels perspective norton and Letterrier must have been a nightmare compared to fav and rdj. Fav and rdj promoted iron man all over, while norton was whining about the "cut" of the film which is a movie term that does "reveals the bts". So I'm just saying norton is a hypocrite.

[JackMercy]

So you think he had no involvement whatsoever with Norton not getting the gig?

Come on now... he was involved too he is the DIRECTOR. He gets a Say.... but like I said earlier... Jon fought for RDJ...... Whedon didn't fight for Norton as far as we know...

Based on Whedon's relatively little experience in feature films (Serenity was small cookies compared to The Avengers), and Marvel's already apparent reputation for systematically exhibiting control-city personality, I would venture that Whedon actually does not have much, if any, final say in casting or creative matters pertaining to this enormous project.

Marvel's let it be publicly "leaked" that they're allowing Whedon to tinker with the Cap and Avengers scripts because he already has a reputation for snappy group-dynamic dialogue...the rest, I'm betting Marvel's playing coy on for a reason...

Oh, and let's remind ourselves yet again that Whedon has yet to be officially announced/confirmed as "director" by Marvel -- might be their little insurance policy in case he starts being too demanding...keep that in mind.

[JeetKuneDo]

Wow...lots sure want to demonize Marvel 100% and paint Norton as some kind of innocent bystander that was suddenly given the heave-ho for no reason at all. We are really supposed to believe Norton was being an angel and Marvel just made up a reason to get rid of him?

Even more amazing when you consider that it's Norton with the bad reputation for being difficult to work with. Everything he's done in the past...including his "classless" refusal to promote TIH...is now forgotten and he's transformed into the "classy" one in the fervor to pile on Marvel.

Was Norton even that great in TIH? Less people saw him than saw Bana in Hulk...so he didn't capture the public's imagination by any means.

The solution is obvious. If there are fears that a different Banner is going to be a problem....don't put Banner in the movie. The Hulk can look exactly the same if they want him to. (He was too "veiny" and unsympathetic looking for my taste so I wouldn't mind a different look)

Let's just give Banner a movie off so the Hulk character can get some attention for a change. Let Banner go sit in a corner with Lex Luthor and Wolverine...all those franchises could use a break from them.

[Downhere]

Wow...lots sure want to demonize Marvel 100% and paint Norton as some kind of innocent bystander that was suddenly given the heave-ho for no reason at all. We are really supposed to believe Norton was being an angel and Marvel just made up a reason to get rid of him?



Well, Marvel has had its fair share of negativity on how they do business as well, so I wouldn't paint them in such a positive light either. At least with Norton, he knows how to take the high road compared to the folks at Marvel.

[Docker2.0]

So you think he had no involvement whatsoever with Norton not getting the gig?

Come on now... he was involved too he is the DIRECTOR. He gets a Say.... but like I said earlier... Jon fought for RDJ...... Whedon didn't fight for Norton as far as we know... and as far as we know Norton isn't a little angel and I hate that everyone is treaying him like one and Fiege the Devil.

That's the part I don't understand. Marvel is doing something that hasn't been done before in a superhero assembly film but yet fanboys are nitpicking. Norton has a notorious reputation as being demanding on the sets and Marvel has pretty much done all they can as far as producing their own films as close to the comics as possible. One thing I noticed that Fiege doesn't deal with is divas on the set. Howard was making more money than Downey but yet wanted more but because of continuity's sake, he shouldn't be recasted with an A-list actor like Cheadle? Norton is a heck of an actor but with the Hulk being the reported bad guy, we shouldn't have to see Banner that much so I say no loss.

I do say that come CC................Norton is walking through the door. :o

[Ipodman]

That's the part I don't understand. Marvel is doing something that hasn't been done before in a superhero assembly film but yet fanboys are nitpicking. Norton has a notorious reputation as being demanding on the sets and Marvel has pretty much done all they can as far as producing their own films as close to the comics as possible. One thing I noticed that Fiege doesn't deal with is divas on the set. Howard was making more money than Downey but yet wanted more but because of continuity's sake, he shouldn't be recasted with an A-list actor like Cheadle? Norton is a heck of an actor but with the Hulk being the reported bad guy, we shouldn't have to see Banner that much so I say no loss.

I do say that come CC................Norton is walking through the door. :o

I think we will.

I hope we will.

[LightningFlash]

I think we'll only see Banner in the last part of the third act in an Avengers film.

I have high hopes that Loki will be mind-controlling him throughout the movie, ending in a climatic battle between the Avengers and Hulk, obviously, and much as how Hulk turned back to Bruce in the '03 Hulk film, the feeling will be just like that, with S.H.I.E.L.D. and the Avengers surrounding him, Betty consoling him, and then him being taken into custody.

[Docker2.0]

I hope not....eh. Depends on who they hire if Norton doesn't come back. Sorry peeps but until I see who Marvel replaced him with, I'm not believing Norton is done on this project yet.

[Ipodman]

Without Edward Norton, the excitement level of Avengers has been turned down a notch for me.... I loved The Incredible Hulk... and now it's not even connected to Avengers anymore...

[LightningFlash]

If it's not Norton, then I like my idea of seeing as little as Bruce Banner as possible.

[Ipodman]

Like in the HULK VS movie? Where he just smashes and smashes...

He will just be a Kraken.... or a Devastator... Just something big for the good guys to fight at the end of the movie.

Really, Hulk and Bruce banner is more than that. His involvment in the Avengers team creates alot of emotions and stories that are found in the comics

[topdog1]

Well, Marvel has had its fair share of negativity on how they do business as well, so I wouldn't paint them in such a positive light either. At least with Norton, he knows how to take the high road compared to the folks at Marvel.

Norton's no dummy. He let his agent fire back and he took the high ground personally because, quite frankly, any more dust ups and his career would suffer. Norton's rep is like being on probation. As great as an actor as he is, he's still going to have trouble finding work unless he takes the high road at this point.

That's the part I don't understand. Marvel is doing something that hasn't been done before in a superhero assembly film but yet fanboys are nitpicking. Norton has a notorious reputation as being demanding on the sets and Marvel has pretty much done all they can as far as producing their own films as close to the comics as possible. One thing I noticed that Fiege doesn't deal with is divas on the set. Howard was making more money than Downey but yet wanted more but because of continuity's sake, he shouldn't be recasted with an A-list actor like Cheadle? Norton is a heck of an actor but with the Hulk being the reported bad guy, we shouldn't have to see Banner that much so I say no loss.

Agree that Fiege played the Howard situation right. I have to side with Marvel after hearing from all sides.

[Da-Scribe]

Norton isn't the blockbuster type, so I can't see this hurting his career regardless of how he chose to handle it.

[Timstuff]

The only ones who will be hurt by this is Marvel, because it demonstrates that The Avengers is off to a rocky start and that Marvel doesn't actually care about consistency between movies as much as they initially made it out to look like. If they're not even bringing back Norton, who's to say they won't just drop TIH from the MMU continuity altogether and reboot the character for the third time in less than 10 years? I certainly wouldn't put it past them.

This is bad PR for Marvel no matter how you slice it. This was supposed to be the movie that brought the heroes from Iron Man, TIH, Thor and Captain America together. Now that TIH is effectively being jettisoned from the equation and replaced with a generic "Avengers-verse" version of Hulk, why even bother including the character at all?

[Ipodman]

And it also means one more thing...

No more The Incredible Hulk sequel

[Gamma Goliath]

Just cast a new banner and continue every thing as If nothing happened, make a TIH2 and help establish the fact that the franchise is going to continue with or without Norton, as much as I hate to say it.

[Timstuff]

And it also means one more thing...

No more The Incredible Hulk sequel

^ yup, that too. :(

[Ipodman]

Was looking forward to The Leader. Of course he could appear in future Hulk movies, but won't be the same thing anymore would it.

[Rock Sexton]

Norton's no dummy. He let his agent fire back and he took the high ground personally because, quite frankly, any more dust ups and his career would suffer. Norton's rep is like being on probation. As great as an actor as he is, he's still going to have trouble finding work unless he takes the high road at this point.

This comment is pure and utter nonsense.

Far worse people have been given roles in Hollywood than what people "claim" to know of Norton's on set antics. Have trouble finding work ....:hehe: Seriously thank you for that laugh.

[Tony Stark]

Without Edward Norton, the excitement level of Avengers has been turned down a notch for me.... I loved The Incredible Hulk... and now it's not even connected to Avengers anymore...

That's rediculous. That's like saying IM1 isn't connected to IM2 because Terrance Howard wasn't there, or TDK isn't connected to BB because Katie Holmes isn't there.

TIH was all about Avengers, the Super Soldier program, Stark showing up at the end.

Again alot of us are bummed that it didn't work out with Norton, but please let's stop with the over exaggerating.

[louiebling$]

Edit

[Rock Sexton]

That's rediculous. That's like saying IM1 isn't connected to IM2 because Terrance Howard wasn't there, or TDK isn't connected to BB because Katie Holmes isn't there.

TIH was all about Avengers, the Super Soldier program, Stark showing up at the end.

Again alot of us are bummed that it didn't work out with Norton, but please let's stop with the over exaggerating.

Actually it's not ..... a pretty large amount of posters have indicated this since this news broke out. I'm there with them. Terrance Howard wasn't the lead role in IM1 ...... Norton was in TIH and many wanted badly to see he and RDJ together on screen.

[louiebling$]

The only ones who will be hurt by this is Marvel, because it demonstrates that The Avengers is off to a rocky start and that Marvel doesn't actually care about consistency between movies as much as they initially made it out to look like. If they're not even bringing back Norton, who's to say they won't just drop TIH from the MMU continuity altogether and reboot the character for the third time in less than 10 years? I certainly wouldn't put it past them.

This is bad PR for Marvel no matter how you slice it. This was supposed to be the movie that brought the heroes from Iron Man, TIH, Thor and Captain America together. Now that TIH is effectively being jettisoned from the equation and replaced with a generic "Avengers-verse" version of Hulk, why even bother including the character at all?

Everything you said don't you think the Execs at Marvel thought about it aswell? I mean it was their idea and understood the effects their decison. This wasn't an easy decison for them and it must have been extremely Dire that they take this route for the Future of Marvel Cuz the Avengers is the Big Shabang, its the big Cheese. So they must have really had to have a Really really good reason not to bring back Norton.

[louiebling$]

The only ones who will be hurt by this is Marvel, because it demonstrates that The Avengers is off to a rocky start and that Marvel doesn't actually care about consistency between movies as much as they initially made it out to look like. If they're not even bringing back Norton, who's to say they won't just drop TIH from the MMU continuity altogether and reboot the character for the third time in less than 10 years? I certainly wouldn't put it past them.

This is bad PR for Marvel no matter how you slice it. This was supposed to be the movie that brought the heroes from Iron Man, TIH, Thor and Captain America together. Now that TIH is effectively being jettisoned from the equation and replaced with a generic "Avengers-verse" version of Hulk, why even bother including the character at all?

Everything you said don't you think the Execs at Marvel thought about it aswell? I mean it was their idea and understood the effects their decison. This wasn't an easy decison for them and it must have been extremely Dire that they take this route for the Future of Marvel Cuz the Avengers is the Big Shabang, its the big Cheese. So they must have really had to have a Really really good reason not to bring back Norton.

[Ipodman]

Actually it's not ..... a pretty large amount of posters have indicated this since this news broke out. I'm there with them. Terrance Howard wasn't the lead role in IM1 ...... Norton was in TIH and many wanted badly to see he and RDJ together on screen.

My thoughts exactly. TIH was leading to an eventual Edward Norton and RDJ encounter. Not gonna happen anymore

[jmc]

Everything you said don't you think the Execs at Marvel thought about it aswell? I mean it was their idea and understood the effects their decison. This wasn't an easy decison for them and it must have been extremely Dire that they take this route for the Future of Marvel Cuz the Avengers is the Big Shabang, its the big Cheese. So they must have really had to have a Really really good reason not to bring back Norton.

Or they just simply misread the situation and cocked things up. The statement Marvel made is the real issue, they created a situation which could have easily been avoided had they simply been more dignified in the statement. They could have easily said something to the tune of -

'We are sad to report that Edward Norton will not be a part of The Avengers. We understand many fans will be disappointed but unfortunately an agreement between the company and Edward regarding his role as the Hulk in the film could not be reached. As a result we have began the search for a replacement who we feel can bring the same level of commitment and enthusiasm to the role. We would like to thank Edward for his contribution to the Marvel Universe on film and wish him all the best in his future endeavors'.

Easy as that, feathers don't get ruffled, fans don't turn on the company, everyone goes home happy, even if it's BS.

[drax]

Norton, unlike the others actors of TIH, have never signed a multi-movies contract if we trust this article.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/06/14/the-truth-about-edward-norton-vs-marvel/

"Liv Tyler, Tim Blake Nelson and Louis Leterrier have contract stipulations for two sequels, if Marvel wanted to bring them back. Norton’s contract doesn’t have any such stipulations. Even if a sequel isn’t greenlit, The Hulk will return in the upcoming Superhero team-up film The Avengers. However, I’d be shocked if Norton returned to reprise the role of Bruce Banner."

[nightwing06]

How great would it have been to see Norton and Downey Jr mix it up on the big screen
They dropped the ball on this one

[drax]

All i've been saying is norton is full of it. He wants to keep the audience sheltered but whines about the cut of the film. Says he doesn't want to let audience into behind the scenes stuff. But that is what movies are now. They sale special editions with extra bts stuff to let the audience into the "magic". So norton is really just trying to cover his ass and make sure he gets work in the future. No one wants to hire an actor who is difficult and talks bad about the film. From marvels perspective norton and Letterrier must have been a nightmare compared to fav and rdj. Fav and rdj promoted iron man all over, while norton was whining about the "cut" of the film which is a movie term that does "reveals the bts". So I'm just saying norton is a hypocrite.

Apparently he have done some promotion for the movie (according wikipedia) and it's not who have talked about the conflict (but he have left the rumor grow up too).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29

"Norton dismissed this, "Our healthy process [of collaboration], which is and should be a private matter, was misrepresented publicly as a 'dispute', seized on by people looking for a good story, and has been distorted to such a degree that it risks distracting from the film itself, which Marvel, Universal and I refuse to let happen. It has always been my firm conviction that films should speak for themselves and that knowing too much about how they are made diminishes the magic of watching them."

"Following the edit dispute, Universal's Adam Fogleson and Norton planned a promotional tour which would avoid constant media interviews and therefore uncomfortable questions. He attended the premiere, took part in a Jimmy Kimmel Live! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Kimmel_Live%21) sketch and would also promote the film in Japan.[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29#cite_note-record-38) However, during the film's release he chose to do charity work in Africa.[71] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29#cite_note-70)"

He have promoted the movie, not really much, but he have promoted the movie.

[Iron_Stark]

o I'm annoyed at this as well I loved Norton as Banner.. but we really don't know the circumstances that leas the this direction. Do we really know wht happened with Norton? We have all heard of the troubles of TIH. I do not approve of Norton Not Promoting the movie regardless of him not Gettin his "final cut". How childish is that? He threw a fit because he didn't get it his way. I can see marvel seeing him and being a negative more than a postive.. who knows wht kind of demands norton made like demanding that if he sign that he gets a TIH 2 or more screen time that Evans or Hemsworth. We really don't know what happened during those meetings. Yea we maybe getting the negative side of Feige but you honestly think Norton was an Angel throughout al this? I doubt it I highly doubt it.


No I'm not saying kissing their asses,I'm saying not to be Whiny lil babies about it... like saying "**** Feige","**** Marvel" Blah blah Blah... act your age not your Shoe Size. And read my above post,cuz that's the way I feel about it. Also you guys honestly think this was Feige Decision and his Alone? No there were others who were involed in him not returning.... and directors also have a lot of say when it comes to casting their films... doesn't look like Whedon put up much of a fight for him Like Favs did for Downey. This does not fall on Feige alone... that man has been on a pedistal from us for a long time and cuz he makes a Dumb Mistake he treat him like ****? How stupid is that?

Its really stupid in my opinion... people make mistakes in life..... and you live and you learn. Hollywood is a trough indusrtry and Marvel is trying to make the best films possible while trying to please tha fans/Fanboys and the General Audience as well... its a tough task.. we should be giving them praise for what they have done for us so far, Which is a lot.
Exactly

You complain about Norton not promoting the movie yet forget Marvel did an even worse job promoting the film themselves. A goddamn teaser trailer in March? and Feige constantly saying "AFTER Iron Man hits theaters, THEN we'll start promoting this". Yet Norton had no right to be upset? gtfo


Yes I'm sure it wasn't all Fiege's fault but most of the blame falls on him.

But oh no, people make mistakes, poor Fiege we shouldn't be to tough on him. :whatever:

[Donut]

What I don't get is why is Marvel using Norton being tough to work with as the excuse to not bring him back. If that is the case then why even hire him the first time ? They should have known his reputation & yet they still hired him. There has to be more going on with this situation otherwise Norton never would have been Banner to begin with

[Docker2.0]

Norton, unlike the others actors of TIH, have never signed a multi-movies contract if we trust this article.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/06/14/the-truth-about-edward-norton-vs-marvel/

"Liv Tyler, Tim Blake Nelson and Louis Leterrier have contract stipulations for two sequels, if Marvel wanted to bring them back. Norton’s contract doesn’t have any such stipulations. Even if a sequel isn’t greenlit, The Hulk will return in the upcoming Superhero team-up film The Avengers. However, I’d be shocked if Norton returned to reprise the role of Bruce Banner."
Great find! But I'm sure people will still find a way to blame Marvel for Norton not signing a multi-film deal. :o

Iron Stark, we get that you are pissed off about Norton, but be honest....do you still plan on seeing the film?

[FaT_tONle]

The only ones who will be hurt by this is Marvel, because it demonstrates that The Avengers is off to a rocky start and that Marvel doesn't actually care about consistency between movies as much as they initially made it out to look like. If they're not even bringing back Norton, who's to say they won't just drop TIH from the MMU continuity altogether and reboot the character for the third time in less than 10 years? I certainly wouldn't put it past them.

This is bad PR for Marvel no matter how you slice it. This was supposed to be the movie that brought the heroes from Iron Man, TIH, Thor and Captain America together. Now that TIH is effectively being jettisoned from the equation and replaced with a generic "Avengers-verse" version of Hulk, why even bother including the character at all?

I agree, but to be fair... Marvel may have to drop the entire current MCU continuity ten years from now in all likelyhood. You can't just recast with actors ten years younger than their formers and progress the time line ten years, otherwise we'd be stuck in the 2000's for a LONG time. Not to mention a new universe for ALL Marvel characters to be a part of. I don't think TIH will be squeezed out of this universe. In fact, I think Marvel will try to bring back Hurt or Tyler in a small role just to prove that if need be.

[Whiskey Tango]

Iron Stark, we get that you are pissed off about Norton, but be honest....do you still plan on seeing the film?

Of course he is, none of these guys are actually angry enough to skip Avengers. It's all bluster.

[Docker2.0]

Exactly! I don't understand the need to keep bashing Marvel if you know you will see it. Just drop it and move on. Do I like it? No but I can see Fiege's point. And I'm going to see the movie at least 3 times in theaters.

[Evil Twin]

That's the part I don't understand. Marvel is doing something that hasn't been done before in a superhero assembly film but yet fanboys are nitpicking. Norton has a notorious reputation as being demanding on the sets and Marvel has pretty much done all they can as far as producing their own films as close to the comics as possible. One thing I noticed that Fiege doesn't deal with is divas on the set. Howard was making more money than Downey but yet wanted more but because of continuity's sake, he shouldn't be recasted with an A-list actor like Cheadle? Norton is a heck of an actor but with the Hulk being the reported bad guy, we shouldn't have to see Banner that much so I say no loss.



No, Howard didn't want to take a paycut because he already had a contract. That Howard was an unlikable diva made the decision easier for Marvel, but I'd be unlikely to budge to if a company making blockbuster motion pictures tried to renege on a contract. Let's face it, IM2 wasn't a movie that wasn't going to get made and/or wasn't going to make a lot of money if Marvel had stuck to its original deal with Howard.

And the reason that Howard was making more than RDJ isn't hard to fathom. Howard was seen as a rising star with an Oscar nomination. RDJ had spent most of the last 20 years in and out of rehab and had never had any box office clout.

I'd be a lot more impressed with Marvel's decision making process if they had just fired Howard because he was difficult. But asking him to take a paycut first, indicates that Marvel's highest prioritiy was profit.

[OptimusPrime114]

From Digital Spy:

David Tennant is the latest actor to be rumoured for the role of the Incredible Hulk in Marvel's Avengers movie, reports the Los Angeles Times.

The ex-Doctor Who star has been linked to the superhero role recently vacated by Edward Norton along with Predators actor Adrien Brody and Serenity's Nathan Fillion.

Recent online rumors surfaced claiming that Joaqun Phoenix had been offered the role of Bruce Banner in the ensemble blockbuster.

Marvel insiders have said that a "name" replacement for Norton will be announced at Comic-Con or earlier.

The Joss Whedon-directed Avengers will bow in cinemas in May 2012.

[JeetKuneDo]

Like in the HULK VS movie? Where he just smashes and smashes...

He will just be a Kraken.... or a Devastator... Just something big for the good guys to fight at the end of the movie.

Really, Hulk and Bruce banner is more than that. His involvment in the Avengers team creates alot of emotions and stories that are found in the comics

We know all about Banner...trust me. That's all we've gotten onscreen with the Hulk franchise. So far the Hulk character is the one we don't know anything about.

The reason being that Hollywood thinks the Hulk is only how you described him. If he is onscreen they feel he must be in action most of the time. Very little time has ever been devoted to developing the Hulk as a character. Usually he'll stare at Betty like some kind of idiot mute. (Here we get to thank the stupid TV show for instilling the idea that the Hulk can't talk)

So Hollywood...and apparently you...think the Hulk character cannot possibly have emotion and stories by himself. So he continues to be a walking special effect who is a guest star/supporting player to Bruce frakin' Banner. :dry: More people in charge of the Hulk onscreen need to watch Gollum in the LOTR movies.

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Was just reading about Terrell Owens (NFL wide receiver) claiming the media is to blame for him not having a job right now. I'm sure Norton fans would agree. ;) It can't have anything to do with a guy with a history of bad behavior, right?

[Docker2.0]

No, Howard didn't want to take a paycut because he already had a contract. That Howard was an unlikable diva made the decision easier for Marvel, but I'd be unlikely to budge to if a company making blockbuster motion pictures tried to renege on a contract. Let's face it, IM2 wasn't a movie that wasn't going to get made and/or wasn't going to make a lot of money if Marvel had stuck to its original deal with Howard.

And the reason that Howard was making more than RDJ isn't hard to fathom. Howard was seen as a rising star with an Oscar nomination. RDJ had spent most of the last 20 years in and out of rehab and had never had any box office clout.

I'd be a lot more impressed with Marvel's decision making process if they had just fired Howard because he was difficult. But asking him to take a paycut first, indicates that Marvel's highest prioritiy was profit.

How's Howard's stock now? :o The fact he made more than Downey is laughable. Anyway, the point is moot. Marvel hasn't disappointed me yet and I understand wanting Howard to take a paycut, though my understanding is he wanted more money. It's a freakin assembly film with a bunch of A list stars. They can't all make $5M! The budget would be through the roof and that wouldn't even be counting the special effects.

[louiebling$]

From Digital Spy:
Tennant would be a great choice..... for me its Copley or Tennant...... wouldn't mind Brody Either.


Tennant might be the better choice cuz he has some Geek Cred that could help him from being Forsaken for being the Guy who took Nortons Spot.

[Doc Ock]

Of course he is, none of these guys are actually angry enough to skip Avengers. It's all bluster.

I agree, at least on my behalf. I am very angry, but I don't see how i'm not going to see Avengers...

[Doc Ock]

From Digital Spy:

Being a Doctor Who fan, this news is sorta exciting, the Tenth Doctor being my favorite. I love David Tennant, but I still want Eddy back! ;)

[Chewy]

EXCLUSIVE: Imagine the Hollywood actor whom you'd least expect to play The Incredible Hulk in The Avengers, and maybe, just maybe, you'd come up with the name of Mark Ruffalo. He's always been an actor's actor and is getting critical raves in Focus Features' The Kids Are All Right which oepned last weekend. But I've learned that he's now in late-stage discussions between Marvel and his brand-new agency United Talent to play this key member of The Avengers ensemble. Like Edward Norton, whom he'd be replacing, Ruffalo would bring real chops to the role. But, unlike Edward Norton, he wouldn't an on-set *******.
Meanwhile, let me get out of the way that Thor (May 6, 2011) and Captain America (July 22, 2011) will be in 3D. They were filmed in 2D but the plan has been for th visual effects to be rendered in 3D for Capitain America while Thor will undergo more of a traditional conversion. Kevin Feige is going to great lengths to ensure this isn't just a botched rush job. OK, enough with that.SOURCE (http://www.deadline.com/2010/07/mark-ruffalo-in-late-stage-talks-to-be-marvels-new-hulk-in-the-avengers/)

[Downhere]

Oh geez, I love Ruffalo, he's a great actor but totally not Banner.

[Mister Sinister]

Was hoping for Tennant, but I'm pretty happy with Ruffalo.

[louiebling$]

I like Ruffalo a lot but he is not Banner... I can see him more as Dr.Strange since I've always seen Strange As Racially Ambigious(Ruffalo's tanner skin color)


Also: Damn you Chewy you always beat me by a couple of mins on NEWS :argh::argh:

:cwink:

[OB12]

Ruffalo would be alright, good actor, but he would need to slim down a bit. Sometimes he can appear pudgy. I am still really kinda hung up on the Duchovny suggestion right now.

[Chewy]

I think Ruffalo might be kinda perfect.

He's got Banner's low-key personality but he also can seem somewhat intense at times

[Timstuff]

Ruffalo doesn't look right for Banner IMO, and at any rate he's not Norton so that makes him the wrong choice by default.

[Kent]

Mark Ruffalo isn't Banner. He's good but he's not Banner.

[FlawlessVictory]

Ruffalo? Meh. Would have been great to see Norton and RDJ together. Ruffalo just doesn't excite me.

[Donut]

Will Kevin be at the panel ? If that audience is filled with alot of Norton fans then it is probably best if he stays home lol

[FlawlessVictory]

Will Kevin be at the panel ? If that audience is filled with alot of Norton fans then it is probably best if he stays home lol

I remember when some people where saying Singer should stay home instead of attending SDCC after SR came out for fear of any kind of backlash. He ended up basically receiving a standing ovation. :o

Nothing negative will happen to Kevin.

[Iron_Stark]

Great find! But I'm sure people will still find a way to blame Marvel for Norton not signing a multi-film deal. :o

Iron Stark, we get that you are pissed off about Norton, but be honest....do you still plan on seeing the film?

Of course he is, none of these guys are actually angry enough to skip Avengers. It's all bluster.

Of course I'm going to see it, wouldn't miss it, but as I said before, the ticket stub won't be saying Avengers.

[Pac-Master]

Ruffalo doesn't look right for Banner IMO, and at any rate he's not Norton so that makes him the wrong choice by default.
Agreed.

[ultimatefan]

I liked Mark Ruffalo´s work in Zodiac, but to see him as a replacement for Norton is a stretch.

[Crosswind Ghost]

No problem with Ruffalo as Banner. Thumbs up.

[Iron_Stark]

Phoenix, Tennant and now Ruffalo? haha these choices get worse and worse.

[OptimusPrime114]

Phoenix, Tennant and now Ruffalo? haha these choices get worse and worse.
Tennant is the best choice.

Ruffalo and Phoenix are the ones we don't want!

[Closerframe]

Give me a break, everyone here is acting as if Ed Norton is the best actor on the planet. He seriously was not the best person that could be Bruce Banner, there are plenty of actors--Mark Ruffalo included--that could deliver a dramatic and serious take on the character. Another thing, "he's not Ed Norton, thus this sucks". What kind of rationality is this?

[Iron_Stark]

Tennant is the best choice.

Ruffalo and Phoenix are the ones we don't want!

Seriously, no he's not.

[Ajendo]

I love Norton, think he's one of the best actors out there but I never felt that he really brought anything (forgive the pun) incredible to the role of Banner. Sure, it was a good performance but nothing special and nothing iconic. If RDJ was being replaced in the role of Stark, then there would be massive problems.

[Chewy]

Ruffalo is a great actor. Anyone hating on him is likely unfamiliar with his work

[Sarg92]

Norton, unlike the others actors of TIH, have never signed a multi-movies contract if we trust this article.

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/06/14/the-truth-about-edward-norton-vs-marvel/

"Liv Tyler, Tim Blake Nelson and Louis Leterrier have contract stipulations for two sequels, if Marvel wanted to bring them back. Norton’s contract doesn’t have any such stipulations. Even if a sequel isn’t greenlit, The Hulk will return in the upcoming Superhero team-up film The Avengers. However, I’d be shocked if Norton returned to reprise the role of Bruce Banner."


That is incorrect.

Leterrier said, in an interview, that all the cast (including Norton) got multi-picture deals but only he had a one picture deal.

[Figs]

Ruffalo is a great actor. Anyone hating on him is likely unfamiliar with his work

I agree that he's a good actor but he's not right for the role of Banner.

[Doc Ock]

That is incorrect.

Leterrier said, in an interview, that all the cast (including Norton) got multi-picture deals but only he had a one picture deal.

Right, so that means if there was to be a sequel to TIH it would be under a different director? Aw shucks.

[Sarg92]

Right, so that means if there was to be a sequel to TIH it would be under a different director? Aw shucks.

Leterrier said in a joking manner that the reason he was only signed up for one film was if he screwed up. I'm sure that Favreau and every other Marvel Studios director initially only signs up for one film.

I'm sure that Leterrier even joked that directors are easier to replace than actors so that is why then only get one picture deals!

[JP]

Ruffalo is just an uninspired choice, IMO.

[OptimusPrime114]

From ComicBookResources.com:

Update: Entertainment Weekly‘s Hollywood Insider reports that while sources confirm Marvel is interested in the 42-year-old Ruffalo, no negotiations have taken place.

[Kirmit]

Though I think Ruffalo is a good actor, he just doesn't scream Banner to me, I don't know, I would prefer someone a bit more weedy, for lack of a better word.

[Doc Ock]

Leterrier said in a joking manner that the reason he was only signed up for one film was if he screwed up. I'm sure that Favreau and every other Marvel Studios director initially only signs up for one film.

I'm sure that Leterrier even joked that directors are easier to replace than actors so that is why then only get one picture deals!

Ah....well I wonder if Marvel views him as a screw up.....as people seem to say TIH didn't do well...or at least not as well as Iron Man.

[al35077]

Every incarnation of banner ive seen has always been pale and sciency this guy may be a good actor but he's just wrong for banner imo. I wish theyd just fight hulk and leave banner out of it instead of replacing him

[dru-zod2501]

Just throw in my my two cents, I have no idea who would be a good Banner, I'm just going to see who the studio picks then praise or lambaste him.

If I could dream, I'd bring Eric Bana back, cause I think his Hulk/Banner had loads of untapped potential (it's in a different universe, I know), and was at least visually more pleasing to the eye.

[ultimatefan]

Give me a break, everyone here is acting as if Ed Norton is the best actor on the planet. He seriously was not the best person that could be Bruce Banner, there are plenty of actors--Mark Ruffalo included--that could deliver a dramatic and serious take on the character. Another thing, "he's not Ed Norton, thus this sucks". What kind of rationality is this?

I didn´t say "thus this sucks", but I have my reservations. We´ll see.

[ultimatefan]

Give me a break, everyone here is acting as if Ed Norton is the best actor on the planet. He seriously was not the best person that could be Bruce Banner, there are plenty of actors--Mark Ruffalo included--that could deliver a dramatic and serious take on the character. Another thing, "he's not Ed Norton, thus this sucks". What kind of rationality is this?

I didn´t say "thus this sucks", but I have my reservations. We´ll see.

Norton may not be "best actor on the planet". but he´s among the best of his generation, there´s little doubt on that.

[louiebling$]

IMO Ruffolo would be better suited for Doc Strange or Hank Pym

[Philly Phanboy]

Update: Entertainment Weekly‘s Hollywood Insider reports that while sources confirm Marvel is interested in the 42-year-old Ruffalo, no negotiations have taken place.

Looks like somebody jumped the gun on this story. Considering they just 86ed Norton on the project, it would be unexpected to have his replacement so soon.

[thewhyteman]

I didn´t say "thus this sucks", but I have my reservations. We´ll see.

Norton may not be "best actor on the planet". but he´s among the best of his generation, there´s little doubt on that.

Norton is an awesome actor. No doubt one of the best. I am still bitter about his removal. Kevin Feige is a complete d-bag for making that happen.

And there replacement is a poor choice as well.

[Obi-Ron]

Looks like it's time for a new casting thread, Philly!

[drax]

That is incorrect.

Leterrier said, in an interview, that all the cast (including Norton) got multi-picture deals but only he had a one picture deal.

Well according Letterier interview for Dark Horizon, Norton have signed just for one movie.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/interviews/660/louis-letterier-for-the-incredible-hulk-

"Question: Let me ask you about the possibility of sequels. First of all, are you contracted to do another Hulk?
Leterrier: Am I contracted? I think so like, an open door on either side. I know Tim is contracted, but Edward is not contracted. But other people are contracted. "

[drax]

That is incorrect.

Leterrier said, in an interview, that all the cast (including Norton) got multi-picture deals but only he had a one picture deal.

Well according Letterier interview for Dark Horizon, Norton have signed just for one movie.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/interviews/660/louis-letterier-for-the-incredible-hulk-

"Question: Let me ask you about the possibility of sequels. First of all, are you contracted to do another Hulk?
Leterrier: Am I contracted? I think so like, an open door on either side. I know Tim is contracted, but Edward is not contracted. But other people are contracted. "

[goh78]

Mark Ruffalo seems to be an inspired choice. I liked him in Zodiac and Collateral.

[Closerframe]

I didn´t say "thus this sucks", but I have my reservations. We´ll see.

Norton may not be "best actor on the planet". but he´s among the best of his generation, there´s little doubt on that.

I didn't mean to specifically point out anyone.

I agree, Norton is definitely one of the best actors of his generation, but like someone else had said, he brought nothing mind blowing to the Bruce Banner character that someone like Ruffalo couldn't bring.

[Doctor Jones]

Tennant? Christ, like he's not named on every other fanboy's casting list for everything.

Ruffalo's a better choice than Phoenix, but i don't know if he would make a good Banner. I'd give him a chance.

I'm leaning towards Adrian Brody for the role. But I doubt that's gonna happen. Over the nest week I think we'll be hearing many names.

[FaT_tONle]

Too much of a Bana vibe with Ruffalo... may or may not work. Probably an RDJ kind of guy though.

[SamuraiSon6]

It was up in the air before, but now that Norton is gone do you think we will see a third design of the Hulk himself? Will they keep continuity with IH or slightly modify the face to reflect the new actor or go a completely new design?

[Ipodman]

Hulk Grey maybe

[Downhere]

It was up in the air before, but now that Norton is gone do you think we will see a third design of the Hulk himself? Will they keep continuity with IH or slightly modify the face to reflect the new actor or go a completely new design?

They might as well go with a new design since continuity doesn't matter much to them either way.

[Doctor Jones]

Ruffalo had some great antagonism with RDJ in Zodiac. The film is worth checking out enough, but all the actors in that film were awesome. I'd take Ruffalo over Phoenix or Tennant. That's ****ing right.

[misjuevos]

just get a great voice actor and let the cg hulk talk. you can get anyone for a nerdy banner. i want to see more hulk,less banner in avengers. would be better to see the heroes talking to hulk than banner. sure the combo of pym stark and banner talking "shop" would be cool, but everyone talking to the hulk would be better. i dont want to have to see banner needing to get angry the whole movie to change. just keep the hulk onscreen as much as possible. give us the talking hulk.

[hatebox]

Ruffalo's the kind of actor I'd find it impossible to get excited about, but he's a solid choice and at least they're not going for some young pretty-boy. I doubt we'll see much of Banner anyway.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I like Ruffalo a lot as an actor, but I just dont see him as Bruce Banner, at all in fact, Brody or Copley would be much better.

[Gamma Goliath]

I would be 100% for brody, if his nose didn't scare the daylights out of me. Right now my top choices are probably Jeremy Davies, Matt fox, Colin hanks, sharlito copely, Adrien brody.

[Khemik@L]

It was up in the air before, but now that Norton is gone do you think we will see a third design of the Hulk himself? Will they keep continuity with IH or slightly modify the face to reflect the new actor or go a completely new design?

If they absolutely have to change anything I hope they slightly modify the face only. The last TIH design was perfect. Well I don't mean they can't tweak it to look even more realistic or whatever but basically what I'm saying they should use TIH model as the foundation and not try to come up with a new model from scratch.

[terry78]

I fail to see what the issue is with Brody, just because his nose is always the first one there and the last one to leave.

[Khemik@L]

just get a great voice actor and let the cg hulk talk. you can get anyone for a nerdy banner. i want to see more hulk,less banner in avengers. would be better to see the heroes talking to hulk than banner. sure the combo of pym stark and banner talking "shop" would be cool, but everyone talking to the hulk would be better. i dont want to have to see banner needing to get angry the whole movie to change. just keep the hulk onscreen as much as possible. give us the talking hulk.

I somewhat agree. That is probably the missing ingredient in the previous Hulk movies. We need to have the Hulk talk as much as possible so that he becomes an actual character and not just an angry tool. Maybe that is why the general audience find it so hard to relate to Hulk Movies, because he never really expresses himself besides Smashing Stuff. And so he is a very one note character.

BUt if we have him interacting with different characters in different ways then he becomes a more 3 dimensional character. What do you guys think.

[terry78]

In that sense they need an excuse for him to constantly be in Hulk form. In the books it was usually Grey, Professor, or Worldbreaker.

[Gamma Goliath]

They should have hulk as a hero then, have him in professor personality or world breaker. And have less banner.

[Gamma Goliath]

They should have hulk as a hero then, have him in professor personality or world breaker. And have less banner.

[FrostBite]

Marvel is starting to disgust me as a studio. Sure, they have inspired choices for both on screen and in the director's chair... but where my hatred really lies is that they have no respect for the universe they are molding. They don't care about story, film, or the characters that people come in droves to see. They low-ball talented people and if they don't buckle under the pressure they want to toss them aside.

Terrance Howard was one thing; it was a change to a barely featured character. However, then there was the Sam Jackason scenario. Then there was the absurd proposal for Mickey Rourke, and now convincing one of the greatest actors around to come back only to call him up a few days later and go "Guess what? I said it was my fantasy to bring you into this ensemble, but really I was just shooting dookie out of my mouth! Ha! Got you good, didn't I?" Finishing it off by slandering said actor in the press after you butchered the movie he gave you the last go around and was somehow still excited to come back.

Class acts right there!

[Cracker Jack]

I with you Frosty. Fergi and the rest of the nimwitts at Marvel can shove it. I'm tired of their BS. Isn't Zack Penn writing this thing? If so, yeah! there's something to look foward to.

[Whiskey Tango]

I with you Frosty. Fergi and the rest of the nimwitts at Marvel can shove it. I'm tired of their BS. Isn't Zack Penn writing this thing? If so, yeah! there's something to look foward to.

Translation: I'm still buttsore at Feige over the Norton situation so I'm going to start taking cheap shots at everyone else involved.

Stay classy, Hype.

[Cracker Jack]

Translation: I'm still buttsore at Feige over the Norton situation so I'm going to start taking cheap shots at everyone else involved.

Stay classy, Hype.

I think you need a new translator. You're not even close.

[JeetKuneDo]

I love Norton, think he's one of the best actors out there but I never felt that he really brought anything (forgive the pun) incredible to the role of Banner. Sure, it was a good performance but nothing special and nothing iconic. If RDJ was being replaced in the role of Stark, then there would be massive problems.

Agreed. I *like* Norton...but he comes off as one-note to me. It just seems like Edward Norton onscreen in every single role.

just get a great voice actor and let the cg hulk talk. you can get anyone for a nerdy banner. i want to see more hulk,less banner in avengers. would be better to see the heroes talking to hulk than banner. sure the combo of pym stark and banner talking "shop" would be cool, but everyone talking to the hulk would be better. i dont want to have to see banner needing to get angry the whole movie to change. just keep the hulk onscreen as much as possible. give us the talking hulk.

I somewhat agree. That is probably the missing ingredient in the previous Hulk movies. We need to have the Hulk talk as much as possible so that he becomes an actual character and not just an angry tool. Maybe that is why the general audience find it so hard to relate to Hulk Movies, because he never really expresses himself besides Smashing Stuff. And so he is a very one note character.

BUt if we have him interacting with different characters in different ways then he becomes a more 3 dimensional character. What do you guys think.

See Gollum for proof. He was obviously CGI...but it didn't matter to the audience because he interacted with his co-stars and was a part of the movie. The poor Hulk has never been given that chance and always comes off as a walking special effect because of that.

They should have hulk as a hero then, have him in professor personality or world breaker. And have less banner.

Hurray for the "Less Banner" movement! Time to prove to the world that the Hulk has a personality and is a fascinating character.

[ElMariachi]

Having Bruce Banner taking up major screentime would be a bad thing for this movie with all the characters that require it. There is so much that needs to happen in this movie in such a short span that I really don't care about Bruce Banners angst. The Hulk is the main attraction and we only need a few scenes with BB, so the loss of Norton isn't that big of a deal IMO. Maybe I would care more if we were talking about a straight up Hulk movie, but this is the Avengers. Mark Ruffalo will suffice and may be just as good. What you people aren't realizing what made IH so great was Louis Leterrier's directing and Hurt/Roth playing great villians. Edward Norton can be replaced unlike say, RDJ or Heath as the Joker.

[Obi-Ron]

Hurray for the "Less Banner" movement! Time to prove to the world that the Hulk has a personality and is a fascinating character.

Good point, I wouldn't get rid of puny Banner entirely though. The "Hulk hates Banner/Banner hates Hulk" dichotomy really needs to be explored.

[Rock Sexton]

Agreed. I *like* Norton...but he comes off as one-note to me. It just seems like Edward Norton onscreen in every single role.


I've heard people parrot this notion many times. Let's be honest, how many actors in Hollywood are chameleon's and able to shed their persona's once they've been indoctrinated into the public's eye? Not many .... but there's a reason why movie companies cast many of these actors. That being said, American History X and Fight Club were perfect examples of his range. A good example of a guy who almost never plays himself is Daniel Day Lewis.

It's not like Bruce Banner was groundbreaking material. What was so stand out about his persona? Not a darn thing.

[Rock Sexton]

Having Bruce Banner taking up major screentime would be a bad thing for this movie with all the characters that require it. There is so much that needs to happen in this movie in such a short span that I really don't care about Bruce Banners angst. The Hulk is the main attraction and we only need a few scenes with BB, so the loss of Norton isn't that big of a deal IMO. Maybe I would care more if we were talking about a straight up Hulk movie, but this is the Avengers. Mark Ruffalo will suffice and may be just as good. What you people aren't realizing what made IH so great was Louis Leterrier's directing and Hurt/Roth playing great villians. Edward Norton can be replaced unlike say, RDJ or Heath as the Joker.

Speak for yourself. I'd much rather get an interaction between RDJ and Norton than RDJ and freaking Chris Evans. I mean it's not even funny the dispairity in quality there.

[Rock Sexton]

I with you Frosty. Fergi and the rest of the nimwitts at Marvel can shove it. I'm tired of their BS. Isn't Zack Penn writing this thing? If so, yeah! there's something to look foward to.

I know right. Marvel fought tooth and nail with Norton about his film cut, but would prefer some poor excuse for a writer like Penn. I can only imagine how bad TIH would've been had Norton not touched it at all.

[ElMariachi]

Speak for yourself. I'd much rather get an interaction between RDJ and Norton than RDJ and freaking Chris Evans. I mean it's not even funny the dispairity in quality there.

Cap is a much more important character then Bruce Banner though. Dialouge between the two characters will be much more meaningful for the film and for the fans. Chris Evans doesn't have the resume that Norton does, but I am more intrigued how he and RDJ play off each other. Same goes with Hemsworth as Thor and how they connect the two worlds (Earth and Asgard).

[Dark Raven]

Someone in another thread mentioned Alan Ruck as a potential lookalike for Ed Norton. While he isn't in the same acting league, if Banner's role is minimal and money is an issue, at least visually, we'd have a Banner who could look almost the same and could fool the audience into thinking that it's not a different actor. He just has to say a few lines and act like Norton, or we could even say that since Loki has possessed him, that's why he's acting slightly differently. Hulk would have the bulk of the role, while we would have a cheaper but visually similar actor for Banner who will do the role for less and be a Marvel yes man (since Ruck probably doesn't get that much work anyway).

[FaT_tONle]

I think casting Cheadle just scrapped the whole "get a lookalike"... unlike the Gyllenhall's replacing or potentially replacing actors in former CBM roles. Just get someone who can nail the part. I like Ruffalo as an actor, but as other posters said, I'm just not feeling it.

[captaintass]

If this has been discussed before please forgive me.

Am I the only guy who wants to see an actual person playing the Hulk? Granted, not JUST a person...someone like Lesnar with a CGI enhancement. I dunno, a purely CGI Hulk will never cause suspension of disbelief, IMO.

[ianyoungko]

I don't know whether anyone elseis feeling it but i reckon Paul Rudd could do it he is obviously a comedy actor but he seems to be able to portray a certain simmering anger with out trying and i think he has a certain banner look, but don't hulk smash me straight away think about it

[Gamma Goliath]

There shouldnt ever be a buff dude walking around pretending to be hulk. It worked 30 years ago, but its a new age.

[The Squirrel]

Mark Ruffalo works for me. :up:

[Obi-Ron]

I don't know whether anyone elseis feeling it but i reckon Paul Rudd could do it he is obviously a comedy actor but he seems to be able to portray a certain simmering anger with out trying and i think he has a certain banner look, but don't hulk smash me straight away think about it

I could see that.

[Son of Coul]

I love Paul Rudd with all my heart but going from Edward Norton to him would feel weird.

[Stripesy Strip]

Speak for yourself. I'd much rather get an interaction between RDJ and Norton than RDJ and freaking Chris Evans. I mean it's not even funny the dispairity in quality there.

Can't argue with that. Two are actors, the other is a manboy that shouldn't be in movies.

[Stripesy Strip]

Tennant? Christ, like he's not named on every other fanboy's casting list for everything.

Ruffalo's a better choice than Phoenix, but i don't know if he would make a good Banner. I'd give him a chance.

I'm leaning towards Adrian Brody for the role. But I doubt that's gonna happen. Over the nest week I think we'll be hearing many names.

Ruffalo is not a better choice than Phoenix. Phoenix has that struggling beaten dog going for him.

[Stripesy Strip]

IMO Ruffolo would be better suited for Doc Strange or Hank Pym

I just don't see him pulling off the two sides of Pym.

[Gamma Goliath]

The more I look at Ruffalo, the less I like him for the roll.

[dcHulk]

If this has been discussed before please forgive me.

Am I the only guy who wants to see an actual person playing the Hulk? Granted, not JUST a person...someone like Lesnar with a CGI enhancement. I dunno, a purely CGI Hulk will never cause suspension of disbelief, IMO.

Yes, I think for the most part you are alone in this.

[Cracker Jack]

I know right. Marvel fought tooth and nail with Norton about his film cut, but would prefer some poor excuse for a writer like Penn. I can only imagine how bad TIH would've been had Norton not touched it at all.

I remember reading on the now defunked Hulk boards that Penn originally wanted it to be in outer space and all kinds of weird crap. But let's face it, Penn has done some quality stuff like X-Men the last stand, FF and Elektra. OH boy! Not that I could do better but...... Sheesh!

[misjuevos]

lesnar could be juggernaut, but cg hulk is best choice for hulk.

[drax]

I know right. Marvel fought tooth and nail with Norton about his film cut, but would prefer some poor excuse for a writer like Penn. I can only imagine how bad TIH would've been had Norton not touched it at all.

Well, if I trust the wikipedia article, the first cut has apparently a really bad reaction from the audience, he was too much Ang Lee Hulk (according Leterrier too).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29

Seventy minutes of footage, mostly dealing with the origin, were not included in the final cut.[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29#cite_note-seventy-27) Much of this back-story was unscripted and the filmmakers were never sure of including it into the final cut, and had considered releasing some of these clips on the internet.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29#cite_note-editbay1-14) Editor Kyle Cooper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Cooper), creator of the Marvel logo (with the flipping pages) and the montage detailing Iron Man's biography in that film, edited together much of this footage into the opening credits.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29#cite_note-editbay1-14) Leterrier explained a negative test screening, where flashbacks were placed across the film that the audience found too similar to Hulk, had resulted in compressing these to the film's start.[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29#cite_note-seventy-27)

In this context, I understand completly Marvel about the cut, specially with a negative screen test and if the movie look like too much Ang Lee Hulk.

About the Norton writter skill, he have probably some of them, but I don't think he have done all the script alone, he have given probably some modification, but probably not really a script, there are probably a valid reason if the WGA have refused to give him the credit about that.

[JeetKuneDo]

I've heard people parrot this notion many times. Let's be honest, how many actors in Hollywood are chameleon's and able to shed their persona's once they've been indoctrinated into the public's eye? Not many .... but there's a reason why movie companies cast many of these actors. That being said, American History X and Fight Club were perfect examples of his range. A good example of a guy who almost never plays himself is Daniel Day Lewis.

It's not like Bruce Banner was groundbreaking material. What was so stand out about his persona? Not a darn thing.

True that a small portion of the the actors in Hollywood have the ability to disappear into a role. We call that small portion "the best actors in Hollywood". Some claim Norton belongs in that group. So he should be able to play more than "Ed Norton". I personally question whether he belongs in that group.

Speak for yourself. I'd much rather get an interaction between RDJ and Norton than RDJ and freaking Chris Evans. I mean it's not even funny the dispairity in quality there.

Having watched RDJ for many years, I can say with confidence that it is the "RDJ" half of those pairings you mentioned that is important. Being in a scene with RDJ means you will look good.

I also should mention that we haven't seen Evans' Cap yet....so it's premature to speculate on how good he is in the role. It wouldn't be that hard for him to match or exceed what Norton did with Banner. (I don't recall the world going ga-ga over Norton's Banner)

Good point, I wouldn't get rid of puny Banner entirely though. The "Hulk hates Banner/Banner hates Hulk" dichotomy really needs to be explored.

That's a good point. We haven't gotten that either so far. It's just been "Banner, Banner, Banner, Banner, Banner".

If this has been discussed before please forgive me.

Am I the only guy who wants to see an actual person playing the Hulk? Granted, not JUST a person...someone like Lesnar with a CGI enhancement. I dunno, a purely CGI Hulk will never cause suspension of disbelief, IMO.

If you haven't seen them, I recommend watching the Lord of the Rings movies. Gollum was a CGI character and was completely believable. The problem with the Hulk is that, unlike Gollum, he isn't allowed to speak, interact in a real way with his co-stars, or reveal any real emotion. His role onscreen so far is just to smash stuff and quickly get offscreen so Banner can come back.

But your point could apply to how Peter Jackson used Andy Serkis. Jackson was smart enough to let Serkis create the voice and mannerisms. In other words, Gollum had a real personality. An actor could do the same with the Hulk.

[Gamma Goliath]

They need to write hulk as a character, not an object. Give him a personality and interaction between the the other heroes. Meaning hulk needs dialog, not just a few phrases and 4 word sentences. Give him full dialog.

[Spider-Vader]

Hulk COULD be the comedic relief. He was pretty funny in MUA2.

"Men say register, Hulk say SMASH!"

[Doc Ock]

Hulk COULD be the comedic relief. He was pretty funny in MUA2.

"Men say register, Hulk say SMASH!"

Ah yes, Hulk is one of those characters I fear will fall into the comedic relief character. Its ok from time to time, but "Hulk like serious!"

[Gamma Goliath]

I'd love to have the hulk as a normally verbal person not referring to himself as hulk but as "I", then at some point have the hulk in the final battle smirk and say "hulk smash".

[jadejaws]

It was up in the air before, but now that Norton is gone do you think we will see a third design of the Hulk himself? Will they keep continuity with IH or slightly modify the face to reflect the new actor or go a completely new design?

My greatest fear is that Marvel will present us with a complete Hulk redesign sadly leaning towards the Ultimate version. Changing Banner is one thing...but if you mess with the Hulk design too much from the last movie then that's when I'll start complaining. I would dread a new Hulk with that ridiculous "high and tight" hair cut that sports no hair on the sides and back of his head.

[JeremiahMurphy]

I hear that Jeremiah Murphy made an audition tape for the Hulk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vya8QkS5Jv8

[Gamma Goliath]

Lol, that was entertaining.

[Spider-Vader]

Ah yes, Hulk is one of those characters I fear will fall into the comedic relief character. Its ok from time to time, but "Hulk like serious!"

Eh, don't worry. I have a feeling Hawkeye will be the comedic relief, as he should be. :woot:

[Gamma Goliath]

I forgot about hawkeye

[Obi-Ron]

I hear that Jeremiah Murphy made an audition tape for the Hulk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vya8QkS5Jv8

Okay, I'm sold. :awesome:

[topdog1]

Well, if I trust the wikipedia article, the first cut has apparently a really bad reaction from the audience, he was too much Ang Lee Hulk (according Leterrier too).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29

Seventy minutes of footage, mostly dealing with the origin, were not included in the final cut.[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29#cite_note-seventy-27) Much of this back-story was unscripted and the filmmakers were never sure of including it into the final cut, and had considered releasing some of these clips on the internet.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29#cite_note-editbay1-14) Editor Kyle Cooper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyle_Cooper), creator of the Marvel logo (with the flipping pages) and the montage detailing Iron Man's biography in that film, edited together much of this footage into the opening credits.[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29#cite_note-editbay1-14) Leterrier explained a negative test screening, where flashbacks were placed across the film that the audience found too similar to Hulk, had resulted in compressing these to the film's start.[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Hulk_%28film%29#cite_note-seventy-27)

In this context, I understand completly Marvel about the cut, specially with a negative screen test and if the movie look like too much Ang Lee Hulk.

About the Norton writter skill, he have probably some of them, but I don't think he have done all the script alone, he have given probably some modification, but probably not really a script, there are probably a valid reason if the WGA have refused to give him the credit about that.

It's my understanding that Marvel never has nor never will have test screenings.

Anyone that saw the deleted scenes on the IH DVD knows that a LOT of great character stuff was cut from the film. You don't need rumors to confirm that fact. Some were good cuts but some were AWFUL choices to cut. Leave 20 minutes of that character/relationship stuff in and Incredible Hulk is an instant classic.

Having thought about it and watching this play out, anyone think that Norton actually orchestrated this whole thing??? He's smart enough to play it this way and stick it to Marvel by forcing them to be "the bad guy". What I mean, Norton found a way to string Marvel along (even begging fans to start petitions) knowing that the preasure would build. Then, he'd make unreasonable demands behind the scenes forcing Marvel's hand. This keeps his reputation in tact for future dealings with other studios but sticks it to Marvel in the public eye. Quite brilliant if true.

Norton's revenge = orchestrated public backlash???

[JeetKuneDo]

My greatest fear is that Marvel will present us with a complete Hulk redesign sadly leaning towards the Ultimate version. Changing Banner is one thing...but if you mess with the Hulk design too much from the last movie then that's when I'll start complaining. I would dread a new Hulk with that ridiculous "high and tight" hair cut that sports no hair on the sides and back of his head.

Ekk...I hate that haircut too. Never understood where that came from. Is Banner's hair immune to the change and stays the same size? If that's the case then Banner should start looking at his own hair for the cure.

[Gamma Goliath]

I hope marvel hires ilm to do the visuals and I hope they use the r&h design.

[terry78]

The R&H Hulk was a little shoddy in some parts, but that entire scene in the rain was pitch perfect. It may as well have been ILM's Hulk.

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah when he was holding betty in that fire on the campus, I was sold. Even in the cave scene hulk looked pretty photo realistic.

[Son of Coul]

He looks perfect in the cave scene, which is weird because you'd think the rain and wetness would be more difficult to make realistic. If every scene looked that good, then it'd be amazing. R&H still did a good job overall.

[SamuraiSon6]

Who will be doing the CGI for Avengers, do we know? Currently we have different companies for almost all the films

[Alex Logan]

They need to write hulk as a character, not an object. Give him a personality and interaction between the the other heroes. Meaning hulk needs dialog, not just a few phrases and 4 word sentences. Give him full dialog.

They tryed to do that in TIH. Did he really have that much dialog in the beginning comics?

I'd love to have the hulk as a normally verbal person not referring to himself as hulk but as "I", then at some point have the hulk in the final battle smirk and say "hulk smash".

But there's a problem there, the movie Hulk has not evolved to that state yet. Just giving him a voice and a few lines was a huge step in TIH.

[Mako]

They need to write hulk as a character, not an object. Give him a personality and interaction between the the other heroes. Meaning hulk needs dialog, not just a few phrases and 4 word sentences. Give him full dialog.

Totally Agree.

[Obi-Ron]

They tryed to do that in TIH. Did he really have that much dialog in the beginning comics?


Quite a bit, actually. Certainly a lot more than the moronic grunts that viewers of the TV show have come to expect.

[TheVileOne]

All comic characters have more dialogue in the comics than they do in the movies though.

I think Hulk should be omitted from an Avengers movie and MAYBE be brought in later.

[JeetKuneDo]

They tryed to do that in TIH.

He had a couple of lines. Which was not nearly what Gamma suggested unfortunately.

They need to write hulk as a character, not an object. Give him a personality and interaction between the the other heroes. Meaning hulk needs dialog, not just a few phrases and 4 word sentences. Give him full dialog.

[JeetKuneDo]

All comic characters have more dialogue in the comics than they do in the movies though.

I think Hulk should be omitted from an Avengers movie and MAYBE be brought in later.

With the Hulk it went from a lot of dialog to almost none. That didn't happen to other characters.

We could split the difference on your suggestion and just omit Banner. ;)

[terry78]

The only way he talks more is if they go with Professor, World War Hulk, or the Grey one. Savage Hulk does talk, but it's usually sentence fragments and when he is calm enough to team up, he doesn't talk unless he's pissed.

[TheVileOne]

I imagine the producers and what not felt that if you have a big green monster talking the audience is going to find it silly and not take it seriously with lots of lines like HULK SMASH or HULK BASH. There's never even a reason given in the movie why it's called the Hulk or even why Hulk would call himself Hulk.

Ultimately I feel both movies FAILED the Hulk as a character. The Hulk did not feel like a fully formed character enough in both movies. There were parts of it like the scene in the rain and what not. But none of the stuff like Hulk disliking Banner or the connection he shares with Banner. There was a TINY bit of it in the Ang Lee movie where he meets the Hulk in his subconscious and Hulk calls him a puny human and takes over. But again that's it. Filmmakers are far too often to really embrace this material and go all the way with it. And the reason being is because they are SCARED. They want to downplay all these aspects to play it safe for the audience.

For example, the new writer of the He-Man/MOTU movie wants to remove the He-Man character as well as Adam transforming into He-Man. All these are integral parts of the character, the brand, the property, and the mythos. But for a modern update, audiences can't deal with things like this I suppose. I dunno why, but whatever.

[dcHulk]

I imagine the producers and what not felt that if you have a big green monster talking the audience is going to find it silly and not take it seriously with lots of lines like HULK SMASH or HULK BASH. There's never even a reason given in the movie why it's called the Hulk or even why Hulk would call himself Hulk.

That's what I've been thinking too.

For example, the new writer of the He-Man/MOTU movie wants to remove the He-Man character as well as Adam transforming into He-Man. All these are integral parts of the character, the brand, the property, and the mythos. But for a modern update, audiences can't deal with things like this I suppose. I dunno why, but whatever.

I will not watch any MOTU movie if something like this happens. You can't take He-Man away.

[Donut]

Will G4 be showing any of the panels this weekend ?

[JeetKuneDo]

I imagine the producers and what not felt that if you have a big green monster talking the audience is going to find it silly and not take it seriously with lots of lines like HULK SMASH or HULK BASH. There's never even a reason given in the movie why it's called the Hulk or even why Hulk would call himself Hulk.

Ultimately I feel both movies FAILED the Hulk as a character. The Hulk did not feel like a fully formed character enough in both movies. There were parts of it like the scene in the rain and what not. But none of the stuff like Hulk disliking Banner or the connection he shares with Banner. There was a TINY bit of it in the Ang Lee movie where he meets the Hulk in his subconscious and Hulk calls him a puny human and takes over. But again that's it. Filmmakers are far too often to really embrace this material and go all the way with it. And the reason being is because they are SCARED. They want to downplay all these aspects to play it safe for the audience.

For example, the new writer of the He-Man/MOTU movie wants to remove the He-Man character as well as Adam transforming into He-Man. All these are integral parts of the character, the brand, the property, and the mythos. But for a modern update, audiences can't deal with things like this I suppose. I dunno why, but whatever.

It may be fear on their part. But I consider what they've done to the Hulk character mistakes so far. As you mentioned, they haven't really bothered to give a good reason for his name!

They've assumed audiences will find the talking Hulk silly...so the Hulk character has never been developed. Never mind that Peter Jackson demonstrated quite convincingly that a monstrous CGI character who talks weird can have interesting and engaging dialog which allows the audience to fully embrace that CGI creation as a legitimate character in the movie.

At some point, it would be nice to see someone be brave enough to put the Hulk onscreen before boldly proclaiming that "it wouldn't work". How could they possibly know that? We've seen their way fail....we haven't seen the real Hulk fail.

[Sarg92]

Who will be doing the CGI for Avengers, do we know? Currently we have different companies for almost all the films

Nothing has been announced but I think it will be ILM. They did the CGI for both Iron Man films and they are doing the CGI for Thor. Marvel just went cheap with TIH and went with Rhythm & Hues.

[Dark Raven]

It may be fear on their part. But I consider what they've done to the Hulk character mistakes so far. As you mentioned, they haven't really bothered to give a good reason for his name!

They've assumed audiences will find the talking Hulk silly...so the Hulk character has never been developed. Never mind that Peter Jackson demonstrated quite convincingly that a monstrous CGI character who talks weird can have interesting and engaging dialog which allows the audience to fully embrace that CGI creation as a legitimate character in the movie.

At some point, it would be nice to see someone be brave enough to put the Hulk onscreen before boldly proclaiming that "it wouldn't work". How could they possibly know that? We've seen their way fail....we haven't seen the real Hulk fail.

That's why we could've done with an investigative reporter like Jack McGee. His tabloid press, the National Enquirer, could've nicknamed the green goliath "the Hulk", after noting that the figure is some kind of hulking monster. It would've become popular, and eventually adopted by ol' greenskin himself after hearing people refer to him as that.

[dcHulk]

That's why we could've done with an investigative reporter like Jack McGee. His tabloid press, the National Enquirer, could've nicknamed the green goliath "the Hulk", after noting that the figure is some kind of hulking monster. It would've become popular, and eventually adopted by ol' greenskin himself after hearing people refer to him as that.

This was sort of done in TIH. Those college students (Jack McGee and...I forgot the other one) referred to him as a "hulk" in the tv interview with Trisha Talkanowa. After that, others apparently referred to him as the hulk since the soldier thought the "Hulk was in streets" (when it was Abom) at the end of the movie. Incidentally, Banner heard the soldier while in the helicopter. And Abom called the green machine "Hulk". Of course this was all before Hulk referred to himself as "Hulk".

[Kirmit]

Nothing has been announced but I think it will be ILM. They did the CGI for both Iron Man films and they are doing the CGI for Thor. Marvel just went cheap with TIH and went with Rhythm & Hues.

As much as I was ok with the job Rhythm & Hues did on TIH I would love to see what ILM would do with the TIH design.

[matrix_ghost]

Nothing has been announced but I think it will be ILM. They did the CGI for both Iron Man films and they are doing the CGI for Thor. Marvel just went cheap with TIH and went with Rhythm & Hues.

Or perhaps it just was a case of ILM not being able to include TIH in their schedule.
And ILm isn't doing the VFX for Thor.
http://www.cinefex.com/upcomingfilms/upcoming.php?id=115
That list should also include BUF company as the lead vendor on Thor.

Going back to ILM and Avengers...i think that if ILM would be on board for Avengers , it'll be part of group of several studios delivering the VFX. It won't be the lead vendor as they are with the IM movies.
They have some pretty big movies that are going to be released in 2011 and with something as big as Avengers , ILM would have to start workingvery early on. Look at Transformers 3. MOnths before shooting started , ILM crew and Bay began work to see just how to create all the VFX shots.
ILM has some pretty huge movies on their slate for 2011 ( POTC 4 , TF3 , final potter movie) and i think that they'll just be so busy with those movies that they just can't work as the lead VFX house on Avengers.

It still is a question of just how much we'll see the characters of Avengers perform. For example we're all expecting Tony Stark to fly with his suit and kick ass in Avengers but maybe the script just calls for Tony to be there (maybe with his suit) and supervise everything.
But just going by a hypothetical situation , if all the characters do get their chance to shine it'll mean that ILM would basically handle
- Iron Man shots with him flying
- Thor flying
- Hulk
etc.
It can be done by ILM....if they had 2 years to work on the shots. But that just isn't the case. Hell even Avatar just was too big for WETA to handle. Framestore , ILM and BUF all contributed.


Marvel might opt to use the same studios that worked on their movies in the past.

[JeetKuneDo]

That's why we could've done with an investigative reporter like Jack McGee. His tabloid press, the National Enquirer, could've nicknamed the green goliath "the Hulk", after noting that the figure is some kind of hulking monster. It would've become popular, and eventually adopted by ol' greenskin himself after hearing people refer to him as that.

I like that a lot. Having the name start as a joke and then catch on. Disarms the "cheesy" aspect of the name.

This was sort of done in TIH. Those college students (Jack McGee and...I forgot the other one) referred to him as a "hulk" in the tv interview with Trisha Talkanowa. After that, others apparently referred to him as the hulk since the soldier thought the "Hulk was in streets" (when it was Abom) at the end of the movie. Incidentally, Banner heard the soldier while in the helicopter. And Abom called the green machine "Hulk". Of course this was all before Hulk referred to himself as "Hulk".

Now I gotta pull out my copy of TIH and watch that part. :)

[Ipodman]

So I guess Hulk liked the name people gave him.

[Son of Coul]

And who wouldn't? That'd be a kickass name to have.

[Ipodman]

Until Rulk comes along

[Doc Ock]

Until Rulk comes along

:wow:

[TheVileOne]

None of that explains why Hulk calls himself Hulk. Hulk never heard or saw those people calling him a Hulk.

Again filmmakers and executives are just scared to go all out with Hulk as a character and afraid audiences won't take it seriously if Hulk is more developed or talks more.

[IronMan]

Edward Norton is Banner
no Brody,Ruffalo,Phoenix
NORTON!

Sorry I'm Polish

[Ipodman]

None of that explains why Hulk calls himself Hulk. Hulk never heard or saw those people calling him a Hulk.

Again filmmakers and executives are just scared to go all out with Hulk as a character and afraid audiences won't take it seriously if Hulk is more developed or talks more.

Because he fought Abom, Abom said "Huuulk...!"

[Dark Raven]

None of that explains why Hulk calls himself Hulk. Hulk never heard or saw those people calling him a Hulk.

Again filmmakers and executives are just scared to go all out with Hulk as a character and afraid audiences won't take it seriously if Hulk is more developed or talks more.

It would, if the name "Hulk" has become so used by the public that it has implanted itself into Banner's subconscious mind. Hulk, retaining fragments of Banner's subconsciousness, might tap into his memories and, like a child, believe that the name given to him by the tabloids and the public IS his actual name.

[jab1118]

The easiest way to do it would have just been thats the codename the military gave banner when he transforms. You wouldn't need a reason why other then thats what they came up with

[Docker2.0]

Edward Norton is Banner
no Brody,Ruffalo,Phoenix
NORTON!

Sorry I'm Polish

Good luck waiting on Marvel to bring him back. :up:

[JeetKuneDo]

None of that explains why Hulk calls himself Hulk. Hulk never heard or saw those people calling him a Hulk.

Again filmmakers and executives are just scared to go all out with Hulk as a character and afraid audiences won't take it seriously if Hulk is more developed or talks more.

Definitely a flaw.

The fears of Hollywood have ruined the Hulk character so far. You would think they would notice how lukewarm the public has been to the Bruce Banner movies/TVshow and would be willing to try a Hulk movie at least once to see what happened. Do they not know that the audience sees characters the way you portray them? If you treat the Hulk character as a special effect who makes a guest appearance....that's how the audience will see him. :doh:

[terry78]

In the original books, they called him a Hulk, and he basically became so angry and upset with the humans he was like, "if they want to call me a hulk/monster, then I'll show them a hulk!"

[Gamma Goliath]

I like the way he was portrayed the planet hulk movie, where he didn't speak as often as the other characters but when he did, he spoke fluently.

[Tony Stark]

Definitely a flaw.

The fears of Hollywood have ruined the Hulk character so far. You would think they would notice how lukewarm the public has been to the Bruce Banner movies/TVshow and would be willing to try a Hulk movie at least once to see what happened. Do they not know that the audience sees characters the way you portray them? If you treat the Hulk character as a special effect who makes a guest appearance....that's how the audience will see him. :doh:

The TV show was very popular. In fact the Hulk TV show IMO was the best comic book based TV show, because it took the character very seriously.

[That person]

Edward Norton is Banner
no Brody,Ruffalo,Phoenix
NORTON!

Sorry I'm Polish

This is normally a very difficult thing to forgive, but I'll make an exception for you since I agree with your sentiment.

[Doc Ock]

Again filmmakers and executives are just scared to go all out with Hulk as a character and afraid audiences won't take it seriously if Hulk is more developed or talks more.

I agree with that, even i'm afraid to hear Hulk talking, as it is very possible it could go bad!

[Blader5489]

Mark Ruffalo is the new Hulk:

http://www.deadline.com/2010/07/toldja-marvel-ruffalo-reach-hulk-deal/

[Blackman]

I'll miss NOrton, but Ruffalo is a good actor and I'm excited to see what he does with the role

[Doctor Jones]

I have faith because RDJ played great off of him in Zodiac. Hopefully we see the two interact.

[jmc]

It's a Zodiac reunion! I could be wrong but I believe this is Ruffalo's first major blockbuster film.

[terry78]

Well, that's that. He's a decent actor, yet I won't lie and say I won't miss Norton.

[Jake Cassidy]

Norton not being in the movie is disappointing. RDJ not being in the movie would be a ****ing travesty.

Just keeping things in perspective. :woot:

[HughJackFan420]

hold on folks there my might be a twist in events Norton may still go green...

http://**************.com/fansites/kaboom/news/?a=20433

let's wait til tomorrow for the official word....

[the gael]

this isn't any good, I really fear for tomorrow...

[LostSon88]

hold on folks there my might be a twist in events Norton may still go green...

http://**************.com/fansites/kaboom/news/?a=20433

let's wait til tomorrow for the official word....

Yeah...and last year random Comic-con attendees were shuttled to a secret room where they were shown the prototype red/blue Superman suit Tom Welling was going to wear for Season 9.

:doh:

[Iron_Stark]

Yeah...and last year random Comic-con attendees were shuttled to a secret room where they were shown the prototype red/blue Superman suit Tom Welling was going to wear for Season 9.

:doh:

lol, What?





About Ruffalo, I'm not going to hate on the guy, he's a good actor, I liked him in The Last Castle and Zodiac, but this is a down grade. I'll give him a chance and won't bad mouth him.

Now, Fiege, :cmad::argh:

[SuperSAINT]

Ruffalo's a fine choice. Very pleased to get someone of his calibur on such short notice.

[Downhere]

I like Ruffalo, but not for Banner. Hopefully Banner's part will be extremely small in The Avengers.

[dcHulk]

I just read on msn:

http://paralleluniverse.msn.com/comic-con/mark-ruffalo-hulk-deal-expected/story/feature/?gt1=28140

How ironic that Maisel is said to have wanted Norton, and Feige wanted Ruffalo originally. Then Norton and Maisel started fighting (rumored, assumed).

Edit: After re-reading, the article is a bit ambiguous as to who wanted who, and when. Perhaps Norton was wanted by both Maisel and Feige, but now Feige wanted to go with Ruffalo after all that has transpired.

[jadejaws]

I'm admittedly disappointed that Norton's gone....but I'm more interested in their plans for the Hulk design. I really hope they don't change much from 08'. If anyone on the forum attends the panel, I would be interested in hearing how Marvel addresses this.
Adding Ruffalo's expressions into the concept is one thing...but if the Hulk is reworked into a completely different version, then that's a whole new level of disappointment.

[dcHulk]

I'm admittedly disappointed that Norton's gone....but I'm more interested in their plans for the Hulk design. I really hope they don't change much from 08'. If anyone on the forum attends the panel, I would be interested in hearing how Marvel addresses this.
Adding Ruffalo's expressions into the concept is one thing...but if the Hulk is reworked into a completely different version, then that's a whole new level of disappointment.

I whole heartedly argree.

[illest urban]

Team Norton. Period. Still disappointed by this news. How badass would it be if he in fact did work something out, or better yet, if this really is all some elaborate way to create crazy buzz and he was always signed for the role.

*SIGH* yeah right. A fanboy can always dream, though.

[KangConquers]

Norton not being in the movie is disappointing. RDJ not being in the movie would be a ****ing travesty.

Just keeping things in perspective. :woot:

My thoughts exactly.

[jacobed]

I feel bad for Ruffalo, coming into this movie with probably alot of fans hating him for no reason. It's good to see that they got an actor of his caliber to replace Norton. It's really sad to see Norton go but at least he's being replaced by a good actor.

[Downhere]

I feel bad for Ruffalo, coming into this movie with probably alot of fans hating him for no reason. It's good to see that they got an actor of his caliber to replace Norton. It's really sad to see Norton go but at least he's being replaced by a good actor.

Norton is being replaced by a good actor, but this good actor doesn't fit the role that well, in my opinion. Instead of looking for the best actor to replace Norton, they went with whomever they could get by Comic-Con...doesn't make any sense considering filming doesn't take place for some time.

[Da-Scribe]

I'm admittedly disappointed that Norton's gone....but I'm more interested in their plans for the Hulk design. I really hope they don't change much from 08'. If anyone on the forum attends the panel, I would be interested in hearing how Marvel addresses this.
Adding Ruffalo's expressions into the concept is one thing...but if the Hulk is reworked into a completely different version, then that's a whole new level of disappointment.

I can just imagine, Hulk roaring out the side of his mouth lol. I kid, I like Ruffalo, and if anyone has to replace Norton then that I can accept. Disappointing still, but at least Ruffalo is a great actor.

[TheDarkKnight08]

I feel bad for Ruffalo, coming into this movie with probably alot of fans hating him for no reason. It's good to see that they got an actor of his caliber to replace Norton. It's really sad to see Norton go but at least he's being replaced by a good actor.

People won't be hating him, trust me. The hate will lie solely on Feige and his decision to can Norton. Ruffalo didn't do anything and intelligent, mature fans will know that. While I'm still for Norton, I'm at most curious as to what Ruffalo will bring to the table. All I'm really hoping is that they make him physically look like Banner a bit more, because he's definitely got the talent down.

Btw, my curiousity compels me: what's your sig from?

[LostSon88]

lol, What?

Yup. It was a rumor going around the floor and was even reported by AICN...they supported this idea by stating why else would Tom Welling be making his first CC appearance.

http://www.**************.com/comic-con/news/?a=8750

...then it turned out to be a bunch of bull.

[dcHulk]

People won't be hating him, trust me. The hate will lie solely on Feige and his decision to can Norton. Ruffalo didn't do anything and intelligent, mature fans will know that. While I'm still for Norton, I'm at most curious as to what Ruffalo will bring to the table. All I'm really hoping is that they make him physically look like Banner a bit more, because he's definitely got the talent down.

I'm not too worried about that. Look what they've done with William Hurt. His General Ross looked like he jumped off the comic page.

[Crockett]

I'm still sad that Norton has to go, but at least he is replaced by a good actor, Ruffalo was great in Zodiac and Shutter Island.

[Norm3]

I'm so glad Norton is out. I wonder what they are going to do with the rest of the cast. They should dump Liv Tyler while their at it. Keep William Hurt!