The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread.

[Downhere]

I'm so glad Norton is out. I wonder what they are going to do with the rest of the cast. They should dump Liv Tyler while their at it. Keep William Hurt!

Yeah, how about they continue forgetting about continuity and get rid of all the major players as well and just replace everyone for Avengers. :hehe:

[Norm3]

A reboot isn't needed just a few actors changed. Things seem to change when its a different director anyway.

[Downhere]

A reboot isn't needed just a few actors changed. Things seem to change when its a different director anyway.

But, why should some of the actor's be changed? The actor's they had were fine in their parts, especially Norton.

Either way, I'm just hoping Banner's role is extremely small in this and if they are going to change everyone else from Incredible Hulk, then I hope their roles are small as well.

[Docker2.0]

Norton is notorious for being a headache on set and the way he didn't help promote TIH didn't sit well with the Marvel heads and I can't blame them one bit. Let it go.

[Rock Sexton]

Norton is notorious for being a headache on set and the way he didn't help promote TIH didn't sit well with the Marvel heads and I can't blame them one bit. Let it go.

I love how EVERYONE keeps parroting this as if they have seen and watched him on set.

[Iron_Stark]

Norton is notorious for being a headache on set and the way he didn't help promote TIH didn't sit well with the Marvel heads and I can't blame them one bit. Let it go.

Marvel did an even worse job promoting the film themselves. A teaser trailer two months before the movie came out? Are you kidding me?



And Mayweather's a b*** for not signing to fight Paquiao because he was on his "vacation".

[Obi-Ron]

Looks like it's Ruffalo...apparently he just joined the rest of the Avengers cast onstage at SDCC.

[TheWatcher]

I wanted Norton back but I'll give Ruffalo a chance. He's a good actor.

[Gamma Goliath]

I hope they fix em up so he at least resembles Bruce a little.

[Boom]

Great. Now I want a solo Hulk movie with Ruffalo.

[LostSon88]

Well its a done deal.

No more Norton discussions from me, Mark Ruffalo IS THE HULK.

I'm behind it 100%. :cwink:

[Downhere]

Great. Now I want a solo Hulk movie with Ruffalo.

I'd rather they not for a while, they got it mostly right with TIH, but dropped the ball now so I think they need to take a break from Hulk and just use him in the Avengers films for now. Maybe when they can get a handle on how to do the Hulk justice then move forward with another film. Especially considering the Hulk films haven't really gotten a good footing box office wise.

[Boom]

I'd rather they not for a while, they got it mostly right with TIH, but dropped the ball now so I think they need to take a break from Hulk and just use him in the Avengers films for now. Maybe when they can get a handle on how to do the Hulk justice then move forward with another film. Especially considering the Hulk films haven't really gotten a good footing box office wise.
I agree.

[Doctor Jones]

I'm starting a Mark Ruffalo support thread. Yup, I'm doing it.

[jmc]

Apparently some tools were booing Ruffalo, class act there.

[LostSon88]

Now that's uncalled for...if anyone should've been booed, its Feige.

Ruffalo's gonna get a lot of undeserved heat from some overzealous fanboys...sad but true.

[Downhere]

Apparently Feige got booed too, which I think is great. lol. He deserves some heat from the fans.

[Boom]

Apparently some tools were booing Ruffalo, class act there.
Good thing their voices were drowned out by the cheers. I didn't even notice.

[jmc]

Now that's uncalled for...if anyone should've been booed, its Feige.

Ruffalo's gonna get a lot of undeserved heat from some overzealous fanboys...sad but true.

Yeah, he's the innocent party in this whole Hulk debacle. Anyone who jeered him needs to have a long hard look at themselves in the mirror.

[Doctor Jones]

I didn't even hear the boos for Ruffalo? I think they just booed the fact Norton wasn't back.

[jmc]

The Marvel Movies page on Facebook wrote about it on the status update. Maybe it wasn't as bad as they made it out to be.

[Doctor Jones]

We heard the panel from different angles. In he back too. I think they must have been confused. Because the cheering was overwhelming.

If they booed Ruffalo Fiege should have just said, "We're not doing The Avengers anymore." Might as well. What they've given us is more than we ever dreamed of. It's ****ing pathetic.

Seriously, what Fiege said about Norton was unprofessional, but we don't know what happened really. Let's all move on and think ahead and think positive. We are getting an Avengers film. THIS IS WHAT MATTERS.

[Doc Ock]

Hello Mark Ruffalo, goodbye Edward Norton. :(

[The Batman]

eh, at this point, im more focused on hulk tearing **** up. Its the only way to cope with the whole norton bs.

[MessiahDecoy123]

We heard the panel from different angles. In he back too. I think they must have been confused. Because the cheering was overwhelming.

If they booed Ruffalo Fiege should have just said, "We're not doing The Avengers anymore." Might as well. What they've given us is more than we ever dreamed of. It's ****ing pathetic.

Seriously, what Fiege said about Norton was unprofessional, but we don't know what happened really. Let's all move on and think ahead and think positive. We are getting an Avengers film. THIS IS WHAT MATTERS.
I think you overestimate Fiege's power. No way he could cancel the Avengers movie.

Fiege brought the bad P.R. on himself by publicly dissing Norton.

[Docker2.0]

Marvel did an even worse job promoting the film themselves. A teaser trailer two months before the movie came out? Are you kidding me?



And Mayweather's a b*** for not signing to fight Paquiao because he was on his "vacation".

I agreed Marvel f-ed up Hulk by not promoting it until a freakin month before it's release but.....some of that falls on Norton as well because he didn't promote it either because he was p o'd because Marvel cut a lot of the film, which turned out great FYI. If Marvel didn't cut some of the movie, we'd be having Ang Lee's Hulk all over again.


And Pacquio is just as much of a duck as Mayweather. He's selecting fighters that he knows he can beat. Mayweather owned Mosley, but guarantee you Mosley would have own Pac's arse. :o


Don't change the subject in this piece man! :argh:

[Silver Knight]

I hope Hulk is still in this movie.

[Docker2.0]

Why wouldn't he be?! They hired an actor for him! Dang it SK! You piss me off in every thread you go in! :argh:

[Figs]

I loved Norton as Banner but i'll gladly give Ruffalo a chance.

Is it true that when the actors were being announced that Robert Downey Jr or someone else said something along the lines of "and reprising his role as The Hulk......Mark Ruffalo"???

[LostSon88]

That's exactly what he said....the vid of the entire Avengers intro is around here somewhere.

I gotta admit, when he said, "Reprising his role..." for a second there, I had hope. :hehe:

[Docker2.0]

It would be great if he did. Or sad because it means he probably had another relapse. :csad:

[the gael]

Well, I hope that the Banner role is very minimal. I will go to see the avengers for RDJ, Samuel L jackson, Scarjo and the guy who will play Hawkeye. (and for Joss Whedon also, I'm Sure he will do a good job), but I won't see a future Hulk with a Bana clone.

[jmc]

I'd kinda like to see Hulk actually look more like the actor this time around.

[Chewy]

Marvel Studios honcho Kevin Feige (http://stars.ign.com/objects/142/14255830.html) didn't directly address the brouhaha over Edward Norton (http://stars.ign.com/objects/916/916728.html) not reprising his role as the Hulk (http://stars.ign.com/objects/923/923865.html) for The Avengers (http://movies.ign.com/objects/769/769931.html), but rather spoke about what his replacement, Mark Ruffalo (http://stars.ign.com/objects/913/913336.html), will bring to the role of Bruce Banner.

During a roundtable interview tonight at San Diego Comic-Con, Feige said of Ruffalo, "Ruffalo is Joss Whedon's Banner. He is the Banner that is going to be in that [Bill] Bixby type, wants to help people and is somewhat ashamed of what he goes through but isn't as strong and angry in his Banner form as he is in his Hulk form, which is something we haven't really seen in the past films."

He continued, "Something like how he was portrayed in the Ultimates, a guy who just wants to be left alone and wear his glasses and do his science."

So it sounds like the future big screen Hulk will be an awful lot like his live-action small screen ancestor. "Absolutely. That's what it always goes back to," said Feige.SOURCE (http://movies.ign.com/articles/110/1108390p1.html)

[Matt Mortem]

I'm ok with that. I thin Ruffalo is going to do very well as Banner.

[Avengers-Report]

The reception for Ruffalo @ SDCC was very poor. People were going crazy for everyone but when his name was announced for replacing the Hulk, it was really quiet. Almost felt bad for the guy.

[Rock Sexton]

That's exactly what he said....the vid of the entire Avengers intro is around here somewhere.

I gotta admit, when he said, "Reprising his role..." for a second there, I had hope. :hehe:

Why did they even say that stupid azz shat? Ruffalo ain't reprising jack. He's a knock off and a bad one at that.

[Rock Sexton]

SOURCE (http://movies.ign.com/articles/110/1108390p1.html)

Blah blah blah ..... just more nonsense to try and cover the fact that their stubborn vengeful selves couldn't suck it up and bring Norton back. Banner will no doubt be the most out of place character of the entire cast.

[Figs]

Why did they even say that stupid azz shat? Ruffalo ain't reprising jack. He's a knock off and a bad one at that.

It was RDJ being a bit of a dick and sticking it to Norton.

As for that tidbit about Hulk from Feige...pretty much described Norton's Banner.

"which is something we haven't really seen in the past films" hahaha

[TheFuture]

The reception for Ruffalo @ SDCC was very poor. People were going crazy for everyone but when his name was announced for replacing the Hulk, it was really quiet. Almost felt bad for the guy.

Fanboys really should be ashamed of themselves for that, I mean it's so petty, and so TRIVIAL.

[LostSon88]

The reception for Ruffalo @ SDCC was very poor. People were going crazy for everyone but when his name was announced for replacing the Hulk, it was really quiet. Almost felt bad for the guy.

Um...you sure about that?

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I don't know about you but, it sounds like he got a pretty decent reception to me...

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[Silver Knight]

Why wouldn't he be?! They hired an actor for him! Dang it SK! You piss me off in every thread you go in! :argh:

I love you too man.

[DocHoliday]

I wouldn't say it was RDJ jabbing at Norton so much as him trying to help his Zodiac co-star to not get booed or treated unfairly by the crowd. I mean RDJ isn't a fool, he knows how things work.


Although you never know a lot of actors just don't gel with each other and we still don't know what exactly went down. Either way I am on board with Ruffalo as Banner, he's just to great an actor to be negative about.

[FaT_tONle]

And Mayweather's a b*** for not signing to fight Paquiao because he was on his "vacation".

They are just trying to raise the value... if they fight too soon the hype won't be there.

Great. Now I want a solo Hulk movie with Ruffalo.

Doubt it man... sequel to TIH would be lame at this point. Even with the Leader, I probably wouldn't even watch it. I think the character will be put to bed for a long time after Avengers.

I'd rather they not for a while, they got it mostly right with TIH, but dropped the ball now so I think they need to take a break from Hulk and just use him in the Avengers films for now. Maybe when they can get a handle on how to do the Hulk justice then move forward with another film. Especially considering the Hulk films haven't really gotten a good footing box office wise.

Yup.

[Doctor Jones]

It was RDJ being a bit of a dick and sticking it to Norton.

As for that tidbit about Hulk from Feige...pretty much described Norton's Banner.

"which is something we haven't really seen in the past films" hahaha

Not at all. RDJ and everyone were well aware of that the fans weren't going to take this to this replacement with ease. And they did boo Kevin for mentioning Norton which was classless. So RDJ demanded the fanboys (in his own way) show some gratitude and say that this is your new Banner. This was smart.

Seriously I can't get over how classless it was for people to actually boo and mention Norton gone. Keep it to yourself or go on the internet. Not to the man who's given everything you wished for to his face.

[Downhere]

And they did boo Kevin for mentioning Norton which was classless.

Seriously I can't get over how classless it was for people to actually boo and mention Norton gone. Keep it to yourself or go on the internet. Not to the man who's given everything you wished for to his face.

Are you kidding me? I don't think it was classless to boo Feige, he definitely deserves it. It would have been classes to boo Ruffalo, that I'll agree with, but not Feige. Feige and Marvel owe their current success to the fans and when you act like a classless unprofessional hack, then you should be greeted in the same manner.

[Aztec]

Are you kidding me? I don't think it was classless to boo Feige, he definitely deserves it.

Boo the guy who is responsible for bringing your favorite super heroes to the big screen in tremendous and faithful fashion? Boo the guy who is putting together the most epic ensemble piece in film history? Boo the guy who is making every fanboy's dream come true?

Why? Because he couldn't come to terms with an actor?

That my friend is not just classless; it's petty!

Norton is gone and Ruffalo is here. Either accept it and move on; or find something else to be excited about. Apparently DC is making a Green Lantern movie of some kind?

[Downhere]

Boo the guy who is responsible for bringing your favorite super heroes to the big screen in tremendous and faithful fashion? Boo the guy who is putting together the most epic ensemble piece in film history? Boo the guy who is making every fanboy's dream come true?



Like I stated before, the fans have been what have propelled Marvel to their current status of success and Feige wouldn't have been booed if he would have acted in a more professional manner. A little professionalism can go a long way. If a person is going to act childish in their demeanor when letting an actor go, then they should expect it in return from passionate fans. It just comes with the territory.

[Docker2.0]

Boo the guy who is responsible for bringing your favorite super heroes to the big screen in tremendous and faithful fashion? Boo the guy who is putting together the most epic ensemble piece in film history? Boo the guy who is making every fanboy's dream come true?

Why? Because he couldn't come to terms with an actor?

That my friend is not just classless; it's petty!

Norton is gone and Ruffalo is here. Either accept it and move on; or find something else to be excited about. Apparently DC is making a Green Lantern movie of some kind?

Thank you sir! Fiege has done so much at Marvel and is doing movies the right way but he gets rid of a problem on the set, now he's the bad guy?! :huh: It makes no sense. But yet people will justify their hating him for that nonstop. If people can't get over Norton, I wish they'd just boycott the movie and move on. You're right. It's petty for the hate that Fiege is receiving for argubly doing the right thing. They need to just move on. Become a fan of DC/WB films for a year and then you'd really have someone to hate because they are moving nowhere it seems. :o

[Doctor Jones]

Then don't act disrespectful back. Act like an adult. Don't stoop down to that level as well. They were still wrong to do it. No excuses. It's childish.

[Docker2.0]

Norton was the one who "left it in the hands of fans" by getting them involved when behind the scenes, made demands that affected the final product. He was playing a game all along. He had this coming.

[Obi-Ron]

Something like how he was portrayed in the Ultimates (http://movies.ign.com/articles/110/1108390p1.html)

Using the U word is NOT the way to persuade Hulk fans that you know what you're doing.

Neither is saying that you're going backwards and copying a 30-year old TV show. :doh:

[Downhere]

Then don't act disrespectful back. Act like an adult. Don't stoop down to that level as well. They were still wrong to do it. No excuses. It's childish.

Personally speaking, I don't really boo people, but when your talking about a rabid fanbase, you just have to expect it to happen. And, he does kind of deserve it. I think if he would have went about this whole thing with a little more tactfulness, then he wouldn't have had the kind of reception he had at Comic-Con.

The other issue is that in the way he has went about this whole debacle, he has showed what kind of person he is, which is unprofessional. That's not going to be good for Marvel in the long run if he continues to act in such a manner.

[DocHoliday]

Then don't act disrespectful back. Act like an adult. Don't stoop down to that level as well. They were still wrong to do it. No excuses. It's childish.

I don't think mentioning Norton was wrong... but I do think booing is something I would be classy enough not to do to anyone. I don't know who is responsible for the Norton/Marvel fallout but if I had to guess I'd say Marvel but guessing would be stupid. I do find it interesting that they came out and said it wasn't about money. We know they low ball actors and when something went wrong in the past they have never addressed that finances of it. So maybe it falls somewhere in the middle this time.

Either way I don't think Feige deserves worship but on the same token he does deserve the common courtesy of being treated like a human being.

[Docker2.0]

Personally speaking, I don't really boo people, but when your talking about a rabid fanbase, you just have to expect it to happen. And, he does kind of deserve it. I think if he would have went about this whole thing with a little more tactfulness, then he wouldn't have had the kind of reception he had at Comic-Con.

The other issue is that in the way he has went about this whole debacle, he has showed what kind of person he is, which is unprofessional. That's not going to be good for Marvel in the long run if he continues to act in such a manner.

Not good for Marvel in the long run? I'm sorry but he is doing everything right, with the the exception of firing Norton and if you ask some people(including me)it was the right thing to do. Norton didn't sign a 3 picture deal, he batched and complained on the set through out the movie, then he makes himself the victim by trying to get the fans on his side. Glad Fiege didn't fall for it and I'm going to see Thor, Cap and the Avengers 3x in theaters.

[Obi-Ron]

I'm sure many were actually saying "Boo-urns."

[Doctor Jones]

Personally speaking, I don't really boo people, but when your talking about a rabid fanbase, you just have to expect it to happen. And, he does kind of deserve it. I think if he would have went about this whole thing with a little more tactfulness, then he wouldn't have had the kind of reception he had at Comic-Con.

The other issue is that in the way he has went about this whole debacle, he has showed what kind of person he is, which is unprofessional. That's not going to be good for Marvel in the long run if he continues to act in such a manner.

I guess so. But that doesn't mean Fiege deserved that when he showed up for the fans to give them something none of us could have dreamed of two years ago.

Does he deserve the criticism? Yes, to an extent. But not to the point where you do it to his face. It's all about respect. Say it on the internet or keep it to yourself, you'll just look like an even bigger ******* otherwise.

[DocHoliday]

I guess so. But that doesn't mean Fiege deserved that when he showed up for the fans to give them something none of us could have dreamed of two years ago.

Does he deserve the criticism? Yes, to an extent. But not to the point where you do it to his face. It's all about respect. Say it on the internet or keep it to yourself, you'll just look like an even bigger ******* otherwise.

Booing is one thing asking him a relevant question at the press con is another. Again I agree with you on booing in general. I wouldn't even boo Tom Rothman because I have more respect for people in general.

[Docker2.0]

Booing is one thing asking him a relevant question at the press con is another. Again I agree with you on booing in general. I wouldn't even boo Tom Rothman because I have more respect for people in general.

Who, whoa, whoa! Let's not get carried away with the word respect ok. :o

[Doctor Jones]

Rothman did show up at comic con last year. There was no booing. Just a respectful appause. I mean come on, Rothman didn't get booed, but Feige did? I mean I wouldn't boo over Rothman but it's weird this happened.

[Downhere]

Rothman didn't get booed? Very surprising considering how notorious he is among the fans.

[ScarletSpider]

To be honest I'd probably defecate in my hand and throw it at Rothman...

[Sarg92]

I am disappointed that Edward Norton isn't returning but nothing can be done about it now! In my opinion Norton is the perfect actor for Banner. He did everything that was possible (alongside Leterrier) to make sure that TIH was a good film.

I haven't seen any of Ruffalo's films but I'm sure he is a great actor but I can't see him in terms of appearance as Banner. He will probably slim down (like Norton did) and look more like a weedy Banner but he just seems too big; like how people were complaining that Eric Bana was.

What I would like to see is if Marvel change the design for Hulk. If they do then I reckon they are gonna try and ignore TIH as much as possible in future films.

The way I see it is that Marvel want actors that will sign up to do multiple films, show up and produce a great performance and that is it. They don't want actors like Norton who will go above and beyond to make sure that the film they are a part of is going to be something special. Marvel want yes men and Norton definitely isn't one.

[Docker2.0]

I am disappointed that Edward Norton isn't returning but nothing can be done about it now! In my opinion Norton is the perfect actor for Banner. He did everything that was possible (alongside Leterrier) to make sure that TIH was a good film.

I haven't seen any of Ruffalo's films but I'm sure he is a great actor but I can't see him in terms of appearance as Banner. He will probably slim down (like Norton did) and look more like a weedy Banner but he just seems too big; like how people were complaining that Eric Bana was.

What I would like to see is if Marvel change the design for Hulk. If they do then I reckon they are gonna try and ignore TIH as much as possible in future films.

The way I see it is that Marvel want actors that will sign up to do multiple films, show up and produce a great performance and that is it. They don't want actors like Norton who will go above and beyond to make sure that the film they are a part of is going to be something special. Marvel want yes men and Norton definitely isn't one.

WTF??? :huh: That makes no sense.

[Sarg92]

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WTF??? :huh: That makes no sense.

I phrased that wrong.

Norton was actively involved with the process of making TIH. He rewrote the script and did daily rewrites. He was also an uncredited producer, he unofficially directed the second unit teams when he could. He worked with Leterrier throughout the film including editing. There are clips on YouTube which show Norton and Leterrier acting and describing stuff out to the Gale Ann Hurd, Kevin Feige and other producers.

I think Marvel didn't like having an actor that was so much involved with the entire film.

They just want a guy who will just act and nothing more (not that it is a bad thing).

[Norm3]

Why would they ignore TIH? There's no reason too. It fits in with what they are doing now. Now the Bana Hulk is a different story. A 15 ft Hulk just wouldn't work in an Avengers movie. I guess Giant-man would need to be the size of Godzilla. All they have to do is plug in Ruffalo & they are ready. James Bond series anyone.

[Gamma Goliath]

I am disappointed that Edward Norton isn't returning but nothing can be done about it now! In my opinion Norton is the perfect actor for Banner. He did everything that was possible (alongside Leterrier) to make sure that TIH was a good film.

I haven't seen any of Ruffalo's films but I'm sure he is a great actor but I can't see him in terms of appearance as Banner. He will probably slim down (like Norton did) and look more like a weedy Banner but he just seems too big; like how people were complaining that Eric Bana was.

What I would like to see is if Marvel change the design for Hulk. If they do then I reckon they are gonna try and ignore TIH as much as possible in future films.

The way I see it is that Marvel want actors that will sign up to do multiple films, show up and produce a great performance and that is it. They don't want actors like Norton who will go above and beyond to make sure that the film they are a part of is going to be something special. Marvel want yes men and Norton definitely isn't one.

Why would marvel ignore TIH ? TIH is the reason why hulk is gonna be in avengers, its part of the continuity whether Norton is in it or not. I wouldn't be surprised if they went ahead and did TIH 2 just to show Ruffalo and TIH are still relevant. Changing hulks design and ignoring TIH are 2 more ways to anger the fans more than they already are, imo.

[Norm3]

Darn perople are acting like we lost an Oscar performance from Norton. All he did was play himself. He didn't even play a good scientist in the movie.

[Docker2.0]

Agreed Norm! And not to knock you Sarg92, Marvel probably didn't promote TIH fully because Norton refused to promote it as well. Remember some of the things he did prior to it being released? So he's not exactly innocent himself.

[Norm3]

Agreed Norm! And not to knock you Sarg92, Marvel probably didn't promote TIH fully because Norton refused to promote it as well. Remember some of the things he did prior to it being released? So he's not exactly innocent himself. Everyones beating up Marvel on this one & not seeing the other side because they are pissed.

[Docker2.0]

Everyones beating up Marvel on this one & not seeing the other side because they are pissed.

I've been saying that for weeks now! Fiege has done a great job at getting us the movies we want and getting A+ talent in them. He doesn't bring a guy back because the guy refuses to sign a multi-movie deal and wants more money, then wants to direct the film as well, then the guy gets the public involved, manipulating them into thinking he's the victom.............but Fiege is the bad guy?! Give me a break! :whatever:

[Norm3]

I've been saying that for weeks now! Fiege has done a great job at getting us the movies we want and getting A+ talent in them. He doesn't bring a guy back because the guy refuses to sign a multi-movie deal and wants more money, then wants to direct the film as well, then the guy gets the public involved, manipulating them into thinking he's the victom.............but Fiege is the bad guy?! Give me a break! :whatever: Finally someone that gets it! When Norton tried to lobby the fans then I knew something was up & he was trying to force his way on Marvel.

[Sarg92]

Agreed Norm! And not to knock you Sarg92, Marvel probably didn't promote TIH fully because Norton refused to promote it as well. Remember some of the things he did prior to it being released? So he's not exactly innocent himself.

I didn't talk about Marvel marketing TIH. I just want real clarification over why Marvel didn't want Norton back; not speculation.

I would prefer Norton to return but it ain't gonna happen so there is no point crying over it.

Hulk/Banner is still gonna be in The Avengers but I just don't see Ruffalo as Banner however I'm sure he will be great. I would have preferred seeing Sharlto Copely as Banner; he has the look and the acting chops.

[Sarg92]

I've been saying that for weeks now! Fiege has done a great job at getting us the movies we want and getting A+ talent in them. He doesn't bring a guy back because the guy refuses to sign a multi-movie deal and wants more money, then wants to direct the film as well, then the guy gets the public involved, manipulating them into thinking he's the victom.............but Fiege is the bad guy?! Give me a break! :whatever:

There is no real clarification over Norton signing a multi-picture deal. Some sources say he did sign one but some say he didn't.

Also when did Norton say he wants to direct The Avengers and no one said he wanted more money. That is just speculation. If you want to follow what Feige said then Marvel didn't get rid of Norton for money issues.

[Rock Sexton]

Not good for Marvel in the long run? I'm sorry but he is doing everything right, with the the exception of firing Norton and if you ask some people(including me)it was the right thing to do. Norton didn't sign a 3 picture deal, he batched and complained on the set through out the movie, then he makes himself the victim by trying to get the fans on his side. Glad Fiege didn't fall for it and I'm going to see Thor, Cap and the Avengers 3x in theaters.

Docker your recount of the tiff is extremely exaggerated. Remind me again WHO promised Norton he could re-write the script and have more creative control? Remind us all WHO promised him those things in order to get him to sign? If you'd check your history you'd see Norton originally didn't want the role, it wasn't until those conditions were met. Then at the end, Marvel stuck it to him and went back on their promises .... just like they stuck it to him with those blatantly "fake" negotiations and attacking his character and integrity publicly.

It's funny to listen to people try to knock Norton for making sure his product is the best it can be.

Some of you seem like you'll except any actor Marvel force feeds you and claim "win" with every one of them. Just change your last name to Feige already. :hehe: j/k

[Rock Sexton]

Finally someone that gets it! When Norton tried to lobby the fans then I knew something was up & he was trying to force his way on Marvel.

How is that forcing? The fans were clamoring for him. He was telling everyone the only way to get Marvel to the negotiating table was to voice our opinions.

Man some of the comments around here just leaving me in awe of the epic level of insinuations and exaggerative translations of what Norton is/was doing.

[LostSon88]

Thank you sir! Fiege has done so much at Marvel and is doing movies the right way but he gets rid of a problem on the set, now he's the bad guy?! :huh: It makes no sense. But yet people will justify their hating him for that nonstop. If people can't get over Norton, I wish they'd just boycott the movie and move on. You're right. It's petty for the hate that Fiege is receiving for argubly doing the right thing. They need to just move on. Become a fan of DC/WB films for a year and then you'd really have someone to hate because they are moving nowhere it seems. :o

I don't have probelms with what he did...okay maybe a lil' because I prefer continuity, haha.

What I do have problems with is the way he went about it. It's his unprofessionalism that irked me more than anything. If anything was "petty" it was his response to the initial report.

[Figs]

I didn't talk about Marvel marketing TIH. I just want real clarification over why Marvel didn't want Norton back; not speculation.

Same here. From what I can remember it wasn't official or fact that it was about money. They originally said something along the lines that it was problems with being in an ensemble picture and I think it was not just about possible screentime but he likes to have input on the script from past stories of other films he's worked on.

[Obi-Ron]

What I would like to see is if Marvel change the design for Hulk. If they do then I reckon they are gonna try and ignore TIH as much as possible in future films.

I wasn't 100% on Hulk's look, so a little tweaking would be OK. But the basic design shouldn't stray too far, at least without some kind of explanation.

I wouldn't ignore TIH, as a matter of fact I'm hoping the Thor and Cap movies make use of the events in it to tie the storylines together.

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, I'd really like to see Banner still hiding out in the cabin in Canada.

[Timstuff]

I phrased that wrong.

Norton was actively involved with the process of making TIH. He rewrote the script and did daily rewrites. He was also an uncredited producer, he unofficially directed the second unit teams when he could. He worked with Leterrier throughout the film including editing. There are clips on YouTube which show Norton and Leterrier acting and describing stuff out to the Gale Ann Hurd, Kevin Feige and other producers.

I think Marvel didn't like having an actor that was so much involved with the entire film.

They just want a guy who will just act and nothing more (not that it is a bad thing).

Marvel is trying to run their movie branch the same way they run their comic branch. In the comic branch, the writer's job is to do what the editor tells them, and the artist's job is to do what the writer tells them. That puts artists who are also writers in a bad spot, because any ideas they might have are likely to be met with "shut up and draw, you're not a writer," and they either have to draw the material they're given or find a new job. Just as the big comic companies often dismiss the writing talents of artists, it seems Marvel is dismissing the notion that an actor has behind-the-scenes talent.

Marvel wants actors who will do what the directors tell them, and they want directors who will do what the executives tell them. Leterrier and Norton did a lot of collaboration with TIH and worked well as a team, but Marvel didn't like that because that's not how they run things. The execs had a big argument with Norton over the final cut of TIH, and ultimately it was an argument the studio won (at least, until the movie came out). And now, neither Norton or Leterrier are working with Marvel anymore.

[jmc]

And that's why things can fall apart when you try and run films like comics, they're two different mediums and need to be treated as such.

[Docker2.0]

Docker your recount of the tiff is extremely exaggerated. Remind me again WHO promised Norton he could re-write the script and have more creative control? Remind us all WHO promised him those things in order to get him to sign? If you'd check your history you'd see Norton originally didn't want the role, it wasn't until those conditions were met. Then at the end, Marvel stuck it to him and went back on their promises .... just like they stuck it to him with those blatantly "fake" negotiations and attacking his character and integrity publicly.

It's funny to listen to people try to knock Norton for making sure his product is the best it can be.

Some of you seem like you'll except any actor Marvel force feeds you and claim "win" with every one of them. Just change your last name to Feige already. :hehe: j/k
Plain and simple: boycott the movie and anything Marvel does. I won't but if it bothers you that bad, let it rip!
Honestly, I'm not on anyone's side, but just tired of people ripping Fiege when noone really has a clue what went on so I'm trying to balance it out. Did I want Norton back? hell yeah, but he's gone. IMHO, they both handled the firing poorly, but Fiege has given us a cinematic universe that we have wanted for years and I'm not going to bash him nonstop for something that we really don't know about.
There is no real clarification over Norton signing a multi-picture deal. Some sources say he did sign one but some say he didn't.

Also when did Norton say he wants to direct The Avengers and no one said he wanted more money. That is just speculation. If you want to follow what Feige said then Marvel didn't get rid of Norton for money issues.

I don't know what happened but neither does anyone else. My thing is why is everyone taking Norton's side when historically speaking, he's a bad arse on the set. two wrongs don't make a right so if Fiege is getting bashed, so should Norton.

[FaT_tONle]

I guess so. But that doesn't mean Fiege deserved that when he showed up for the fans to give them something none of us could have dreamed of two years ago.

Does he deserve the criticism? Yes, to an extent. But not to the point where you do it to his face. It's all about respect. Say it on the internet or keep it to yourself, you'll just look like an even bigger ******* otherwise.

I hate to break it to ya, but the fans are paying for a product. If the guy in charge is not producing, he has every right to be booed at such a convention for the fans and fans only. As of now, Feige has not produced with the Hulk. Not one ioda.

[Gamma Goliath]

I hope they go ahead and do TIH 2, with Neill blomkamp directing. :D

[Doctor Jones]

I hate to break it to ya, but the fans are paying for a product. If the guy in charge is not producing, he has every right to be booed and such a convention for the fans and fans only. As of now, Feige has not produced with the Hulk. Not one ioda.

Yes they are paying. But he shouldn't be booed. It's about respect. Surely you can understand this? :huh: Tom Rothman wasn't booed when he showed up to comic con. It was just an applause. That is respect. Event thouhg the guy is in charge for running potentially great films into the ground he got a respected applause. I figure Feige would be treated with the same respect. But unfortunately that wasn't the case, regardless of what he said, it's disrespectful to what they brought and what they are willing to do for us. In the grand scheme of things, Norton isn't as huge as the entire cast we have and the film itself.

No one has a right to be booed. Not unless they say "**** the fans" or something.

[FaT_tONle]

Yes they are paying. But he shouldn't be booed. It's about respect. Surely you can understand this? :huh: Tom Rothman wasn't booed when he showed up to comic con. It was just an applause. That is respect. Event though the guy is in charge for running potentially great films into the ground he got a respected applause. I figure Feige would be treated with the same respect. But unfortunately that wasn't the case, regardless of what he said, it's disrespectful to what they brought and what they are willing to do for us. In the grand scheme of things, Norton isn't as huge as the entire cast we have and the film itself.

No one has a right to be booed. Not unless they say "**** the fans" or something.

Don't turn this into a morality issue. If you are failing to deliver on the customers demands, then you better as hell be held accountable and prepare to face criticisms and jeers when you are face to face with paying customers. This isn't about what happened when Rothman was at CC. This is about what Feige said a few weeks before the event. No one to blame but himself, and yes, any boos were justified after those comments.

[Doctor Jones]

People had the right to be upset and angry all of a sudden, but that doesn't give them the right to boo the man. Booing is just a sign of disrespect. Plain and simple, and shouldn't have been done. Especially with Ruffalo present. But just in general, keep that stuff to yourself. The guy's question was fine, but the people should have just taken it and not said anything.

[FaT_tONle]

So if you are at a ball game and your team is losing and fans are booing, do you honestly believe fans are not justified in doing that because it is disrespectful? That's a load... comic con is the one convention where fans can openly voice their concerns and talk to the people that are in charge. It's the one place where booing would probably be appropriate. Why the hell would they go there if they were just going to keep silent and not express their opinions? Just to sit and observe? Doesn't cut it for everyone. And Feige won't even discuss the situation openly with people like us so he's not gonna give fans the face time during his segment to coherently and delicately express our misgivings.

[JeetKuneDo]

Marvel is trying to run their movie branch the same way they run their comic branch. In the comic branch, the writer's job is to do what the editor tells them, and the artist's job is to do what the writer tells them. That puts artists who are also writers in a bad spot, because any ideas they might have are likely to be met with "shut up and draw, you're not a writer," and they either have to draw the material they're given or find a new job. Just as the big comic companies often dismiss the writing talents of artists, it seems Marvel is dismissing the notion that an actor has behind-the-scenes talent.

Marvel wants actors who will do what the directors tell them, and they want directors who will do what the executives tell them. Leterrier and Norton did a lot of collaboration with TIH and worked well as a team, but Marvel didn't like that because that's not how they run things. The execs had a big argument with Norton over the final cut of TIH, and ultimately it was an argument the studio won (at least, until the movie came out). And now, neither Norton or Leterrier are working with Marvel anymore.

Losing Norton is sounding better and better to me. Apparently, having him involved with a movie means you are expected to give him some creative control. Even his fans expect it. Even though you have a Josh Whedon onboard you simply must get Norton to help out.

As writers, I'll take Whedon every single day of the week over Norton with no regrets. This movie is way too important for movies we are going to get in the next decade (or two) to take any chances because some actor thinks he is a great writer.

[Docker2.0]

Losing Norton is sounding better and better to me. Apparently, having him involved with a movie means you are expected to give him some creative control. Even his fans expect it. Even though you have a Josh Whedon onboard you simply must get Norton to help out.

As writers, I'll take Whedon every single day of the week over Norton with no regrets. This movie is way too important for movies we are going to get in the next decade (or two) to take any chances because some actor thinks he is a great writer.

Which is exactly why Fiege got rid of him.

[Aztec]

Yeah, I'd really like to see Banner still hiding out in the cabin in Canada.

Yup and maybe a Loki disguised as a hiker walks up to him to "help". That's the after credit scene I'd do for Thor.

[Rock Sexton]

Losing Norton is sounding better and better to me. Apparently, having him involved with a movie means you are expected to give him some creative control. Even his fans expect it. Even though you have a Josh Whedon onboard you simply must get Norton to help out.

As writers, I'll take Whedon every single day of the week over Norton with no regrets. This movie is way too important for movies we are going to get in the next decade (or two) to take any chances because some actor thinks he is a great writer.

Ummm no.

..... and btw it's JOSS not Josh.

[Rock Sexton]

Which is exactly why Fiege got rid of him.

You have absolutely zero proof that Norton was asking for writing responsibilities on The Avengers. Give it up.

[Alex Logan]

Losing Norton is sounding better and better to me. Apparently, having him involved with a movie means you are expected to give him some creative control. Even his fans expect it. Even though you have a Josh Whedon onboard you simply must get Norton to help out.

As writers, I'll take Whedon every single day of the week over Norton with no regrets. This movie is way too important for movies we are going to get in the next decade (or two) to take any chances because some actor thinks he is a great writer.

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

[Doctor Jones]

So if you are at a ball game and your team is losing and fans are booing, do you honestly believe fans are not justified in doing that because it is disrespectful? That's a load... comic con is the one convention where fans can openly voice their concerns and talk to the people that are in charge. It's the one place where booing would probably be appropriate. Why the hell would they go there if they were just going to keep silent and not express their opinions? Just to sit and observe? Doesn't cut it for everyone. And Feige won't even discuss the situation openly with people like us so he's not gonna give fans the face time during his segment to coherently and delicately express our misgivings.

It's disrespectful because they are there for us. Publicity helps too to promote, but they're there for us and I think we owe them respect for that. I think he's well aware that the fans wouldn't be happy. He even explained it to the guy who questioned him. Instead of just shrugging it off, he did it the best way he could. Though that doesn't excuse him from his unprofessional statement, he still answers the question in the right way. It is kind of awkward, especially when the panel is about Thor.

Also the fact Ruffalo was there it was totally wrong. Way to give a warm welcome to the new guy. Even though he wasn't out, backstage, I'm sure everyone is aware at what's happening. I mostly feel bad for Ruffalo here.

[Aztec]

Marvel wants actors who will do what the directors tell them, and they want directors who will do what the executives tell them. Leterrier and Norton did a lot of collaboration with TIH and worked well as a team, but Marvel didn't like that because that's not how they run things. The execs had a big argument with Norton over the final cut of TIH, and ultimately it was an argument the studio won (at least, until the movie came out). And now, neither Norton or Leterrier are working with Marvel anymore.

And you know this how? What an absurd conspiracy theory explanation for a topic you clearly know little about!

If anything Marvel has been UNUSUALLY collaborative with their directors and actors. Just listen to interviews with Brannagh, Favreau, or even Downey Jr. They all talk about meetings they had with the producers, writers, comic writers, and even directors from other Marvel films! If anything Marvel is probably the MOST PROGRESSIVE and least "top down" film company going today.

We get it Timstuff: You like Edward Norton. Unfortunately for you, the reality is he's not coming back. Creating conspiracy theories and complaining about will not change that.

Your options are:
1) Watch Avengers and enjoy or not enjoy Ruffalo's take on the character.
2) Boycott the film and sulk.

Either way you need to move on from the whole Norton as Banner thing. I liked TIH too, and I like Edward Norton as an actor, but they've replaced him with a high caliber actor because he wasn't a "team player" and that's alright with me.

"Mucking Farvel" isn't going to do much in the long run. Sorry.

[Ipodman]

Wonder how much "reference" from TIH they will bring over? Will they hint "hey... did you watch The Incredible Hulk?" with something from the Abomination or Leader

[Bruce Banner]

Wonder how much "reference" from TIH they will bring over? Will they hint "hey... did you watch The Incredible Hulk?" with something from the Abomination or Leader

Well
If we are gonna look at it in that light.

Does Liv Tyler as Betty Ross look like she would mesh well with a Mark Ruffalo looking Banner?

[Rock Sexton]

Wonder how much "reference" from TIH they will bring over? Will they hint "hey... did you watch The Incredible Hulk?" with something from the Abomination or Leader

They will probably do flashbacks with Ruffalo's bloated grill pasted onto Norton's body and hope you don't notice the change. Feige is a genius like that.

[Downhere]

It's disrespectful because they are there for us. Publicity helps too to promote, but they're there for us and I think we owe them respect for that.

They are there to promote and while they deserve respect, they shouldn't be let off the hook either. The fans and the general public are what make them what they are and, therefore, should be able to take any heat they may get about decisions they make.

[Docker2.0]

You have absolutely zero proof that Norton was asking for writing responsibilities on The Avengers. Give it up.

Dude that's where the fall out started with TIH. They cut a lot of the footage out and it p o'd Norton. Now "give it up." :dry:

[Gamma Goliath]

Rotflmao! Bloated grill, feige...genius lol. Jk jk. I have nothing against fiege.

[Gamma Goliath]

Double

[Rock Sexton]

Dude that's where the fall out started with TIH. They cut a lot of the footage out and it p o'd Norton. Now "give it up." :dry:

THAT was TIH .... he was promised those responsibilities when he agreed to sign on AFTER he originally turned the part down. Feige and Marvel turned their backs on that promise.

THIS is The Avengers, a separate film and Banner/Hulk is not the films focal point. There is nothing to indicate he was trying to show up the entire cast, Whedon, and assistant writers.

[Docker2.0]

THAT was TIH .... he was promised those responsibilities when he agreed to sign on AFTER he originally turned the part down. Feige and Marvel turned their backs on that promise.

THIS is The Avengers, a separate film and Banner/Hulk is not the films focal point. There is nothing to indicate he was trying to show up the entire cast, Whedon, and assistant writers.

But history shows he will. He's notorious for that. My gawd, I'm done with the Norton discussion. I mean, you won. I'm just tired of talking about him. I give up.

[Rock Sexton]

But history shows he will. He's notorious for that. My gawd, I'm done with the Norton discussion. I mean, you won. I'm just tired of talking about him. I give up.

History shmistory. Some of you keep bringing up some anecdotal BS about stories "you've heard" ..... Some of you speak in vein of this man as if he's been some set destroyer on all his film sets and it's absurd. Norton cares about his projects. He's not a robot.

[Docker2.0]

So Rock, how do you feel about Ruffalo?

[Rock Sexton]

So Rock, how do you feel about Ruffalo?

I find him to be very dry, blue collar'ish ..... In relation to the entire Hulk franchise, I cannot for the life of me see him carrying it. He's a lifetime "supporting" actor. They may be able to get away with it in the Avengers since it's an ensemble, but not after.

[FaT_tONle]

My take on Ruffalo... same as everyone else... TREMENDOUS ability... but as a supporting guy. He's just not a lead. I want to see that new movie "The Kids are All Right", but even then he's still a supporting guy. And that's what I fear Hulk is going to be reduced to. A supporting player in the MCU. Hulk taking a back seat to Cap and IM just doesn't cut it for me. It's like I have to root for Thor and Cap to fail to feel better about the Hulk. Until Ruffalo proves he can carry a movie for the masses by himself, I am going to be skeptical.

[Docker2.0]

I find him to be very dry, blue collar'ish ..... In relation to the entire Hulk franchise, I cannot for the life of me see him carrying it. He's a lifetime "supporting" actor. They may be able to get away with it in the Avengers since it's an ensemble, but not after. Honestly, that's exactly what they need in a movie like the Avengers. It's got to many stars as it is. Which brings me to the point of Loki and Hulk being the villians. There are not any more A-listers(that we know of)hired for it.

My take on Ruffalo... same as everyone else... TREMENDOUS ability... but as a supporting guy. He's just not a lead. I want to see that new movie "The Kids are All Right", but even then he's still a supporting guy. And that's what I fear Hulk is going to be reduced to. A supporting player in the MCU. Hulk taking a back seat to Cap and IM just doesn't cut it for me. It's like I have to root for Thor and Cap to fail to feel better about the Hulk. Until Ruffalo proves he can carry a movie for the masses by himself, I am going to be skeptical. I like you FT, but honestly, you seem to hate everything no matter what it is. If Shakespeare produced the Avengers with Clark Gable playing Tony Stark you'd find fault.....and I mean this with gentleness.

PS- People I'm kinda drunk so if my post offends you, forgive me. Didn't know Mike's hard lemonade would affect me so much. :awesome:

[Ipodman]

Well
If we are gonna look at it in that light.

Does Liv Tyler as Betty Ross look like she would mesh well with a Mark Ruffalo looking Banner?

I dont even think Betty will appear in Avengers...

Pepper maybe

[Figs]

My take on Ruffalo... same as everyone else... TREMENDOUS ability... but as a supporting guy. He's just not a lead. I want to see that new movie "The Kids are All Right", but even then he's still a supporting guy. And that's what I fear Hulk is going to be reduced to. A supporting player in the MCU. Hulk taking a back seat to Cap and IM just doesn't cut it for me. It's like I have to root for Thor and Cap to fail to feel better about the Hulk. Until Ruffalo proves he can carry a movie for the masses by himself, I am going to be skeptical.

Hulk won't take a backseat...Banner will and that's perfectly fine with me.

[JeetKuneDo]

Ummm no.

..... and btw it's JOSS not Josh.

Hey...at least I respect his proven writing ability over an actor.

You have absolutely zero proof that Norton was asking for writing responsibilities on The Avengers. Give it up.

Having proof certainly hasn't stopped the Norton fans from attacking Feige. And wouldn't Feige's statement about needing a team player indicate that Norton was asking for creative input?

There is nothing to indicate he was trying to show up the entire cast, Whedon, and assistant writers.
If you don't count Feige's statement:
"Our decision is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members. The Avengers demands players who thrive working as part of an ensemble"

Feige isn't even saying here that he doesn't want any input. "collaborative" indicates they welcome it. Sounds more like Norton was wanting more than his fair share.

History shmistory. Some of you keep bringing up some anecdotal BS about stories "you've heard" ..... Some of you speak in vein of this man as if he's been some set destroyer on all his film sets and it's absurd. Norton cares about his projects. He's not a robot.

So somehow Hollywood has conspired against Norton all these years to give him his reputation? Tom Hanks certainly cares about his projects and no one has any bad things to say about him.

Oh..and since turnabout is fair play, I'll turn into the spelling police for you here: It's "vain". :word:

[Docker2.0]

Hey...at least I respect his proven writing ability over an actor.



Having proof certainly hasn't stopped the Norton fans from attacking Feige. And wouldn't Feige's statement about needing a team player indicate that Norton was asking for creative input?


If you don't count Feige's statement:
"Our decision is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members. The Avengers demands players who thrive working as part of an ensemble"

Feige isn't even saying here that he doesn't want any input. "collaborative" indicates they welcome it. Sounds more like Norton was wanting more than his fair share.



So somehow Hollywood has conspired against Norton all these years to give him his reputation? Tom Hanks certainly cares about his projects and no one has any bad things to say about him.

Oh..and since turnabout is fair play, I'll turn into the spelling police for you here: It's "vain". :word:

Oh snap! :wow:

[Stripesy Strip]

I don't get the ladies getting their heads in a bunch given Hulk is not that important to me as an Avengers fan to begin with. He was there starting out and that's it. Seeing Cap, Iron Man and Thor together is more important to me.

[Whiskey Tango]

Some dudes just can't let go.

[FaT_tONle]

I dont even think Betty will appear in Avengers...

Pepper maybe

I say just dump all the supporting players and let Pepper be busy running the company. I don't want to see too much of one solo movie trickling in and giving more weight to one character at this point. If Loki is the villain then fine, but it should be all for one, one for all. The last thing we need is another IM movie. I can see them shoving in a Ross or Blonsky cameo just to appease bitter TIH fans, but that's about it. Betty in this movie will just remind people of Norton even more.


I like you FT, but honestly, you seem to hate everything no matter what it is. If Shakespeare produced the Avengers with Clark Gable playing Tony Stark you'd find fault.....and I mean this with gentleness.

PS- People I'm kinda drunk so if my post offends you, forgive me. Didn't know Mike's hard lemonade would affect me so much. :awesome:

I'll be vocal and anal but at the end of the day, I am a consensus guy. I usually fall somewhere in the middle. But that's just the way I look at things. If it is bad... it is God awful... if it is good, it's not that good. Glass half empty, but not impossible to appease. I am just really vocal and accentuate the negatives. If you need to get drunk with a Mike's Hard on a Sunday night to realize this, then God help you.


If you don't count Feige's statement:
"Our decision is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members. The Avengers demands players who thrive working as part of an ensemble"

Feige isn't even saying here that he doesn't want any input. "collaborative" indicates they welcome it. Sounds more like Norton was wanting more than his fair share.

Or he could have been referring to Norton's requests behind the TIH set. We don't know, and you can't put two and two together and say because it happened once, it had to go down the same way twice.

[Rock Sexton]

Hey...at least I respect his proven writing ability over an actor.

Proven? On what scale? A mega-buck summer blockbuster scale? Joss is freshman in this regard.

Having proof certainly hasn't stopped the Norton fans from attacking Feige. And wouldn't Feige's statement about needing a team player indicate that Norton was asking for creative input?

Uhhhhh how much more proof do we need of the kind of person Feige has presented himself to be. His statements were blatant attacks on Norton's character, not to mention came unprovoked. He also held fake "negotiations" with Norton then cut him off out of nowhere. Let's not forget this is also the same Feige who was part of the same Marvel who broke their promise to Norton about him having the creative input of the final cut of TIH.

So remind me again who's word we should trust.

If you don't count Feige's statement:
"Our decision is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members. The Avengers demands players who thrive working as part of an ensemble"

Feige isn't even saying here that he doesn't want any input. "collaborative" indicates they welcome it. Sounds more like Norton was wanting more than his fair share.

That's amazing how you can do that ... pull imaginary conclusions out of thin air.

So somehow Hollywood has conspired against Norton all these years to give him his reputation? Tom Hanks certainly cares about his projects and no one has any bad things to say about him.

What reputation? The one you think you read about on tha intranetz? LOL

Oh..and since turnabout is fair play, I'll turn into the spelling police for you here: It's "vain". :word:

Spelling errors aren't quite the same as not even knowing the director's first name. I found it interesting given how much blind faith you have in the man.

[Jake Cassidy]

I don't get the ladies getting their heads in a bunch given Hulk is not that important to me as an Avengers fan to begin with. He was there starting out and that's it. Seeing Cap, Iron Man and Thor together is more important to me.

I agree 100%

[Docker2.0]

Rock.............please..................let it go. :csad:

[Rock Sexton]

Rock.............please..................let it go. :csad:

Ditto dude. I keep seeing you writing the same trite about Norton's "diva" attitude all over this site.

[Docker2.0]

Yeah but I let it go as of today. I'm done with the Norton talk. He's not coming back. I'm asking you to join me. What do you say friend?

[JeetKuneDo]

Or he could have been referring to Norton's requests behind the TIH set. We don't know, and you can't put two and two together and say because it happened once, it had to go down the same way twice.

Let's make sure and mention to Norton fans about this rule against us "putting two and two together". They've come up with an elaborate sequence of events in which Marvel has singled poor innocent Edward Norton out for a good old fashioned public screw-job. Completely unprovoked apparently. Feige just woke up one day and decided he wanted to treat Norton badly.
Uhhhhh how much more proof do we need of the kind of person Feige has presented himself to be. His statements were blatant attacks on Norton's character, not to mention came unprovoked. He also held fake "negotiations" with Norton then cut him off out of nowhere. Let's not forget this is also the same Feige who was part of the same Marvel who broke their promise to Norton about him having the creative input of the final cut of TIH.
See?

Proven? On what scale? A mega-buck summer blockbuster scale? Joss is freshman in this regard.
So it's true...you do believe Norton is a better writer. Well...we'll just have to disagree on that one.

That's amazing how you can do that ... pull imaginary conclusions out of thin air.
I'm not sure Feige's statement is "thin air". I think I was using his exact wording for my "conclusions".

What reputation? The one you think you read about on tha intranetz? LOL
So now the whole world is conspiring against Norton too? "The internet" picked his name out of a hat and decided to pretend he was being difficult.

Poor guy...what are the odds that the whole world would just decide to do this to him for absolutely no reason. This makes me wonder if we've got Mel Gibson all wrong too. (position statement: I like both Norton and Gibson in movies I've seen and won't be changing my opinion of their acting abilities)

Spelling errors aren't quite the same as not even knowing the director's first name. I found it interesting given how much blind faith you have in the man.
My hitting the wrong plastic key in haste is worse than your hitting the wrong plastic key in haste? You can't put on your spelling police uniform and then get careless like that.

I've seen enough of his work to call it more than "blind faith" frankly. IMDB doesn't list anything as a writing credit for Norton however. (That surprised even me)

[Doctor Jones]

Jeez, will this ever end? I'd just ignore all of this. Because at the end of the day, nothing is going to change. Norton is gone and Ruffalo is in. Let's move on. We're going in circles.

[Whiskey Tango]

This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because...

[Docker2.0]

Jeez, will this ever end? I'd just ignore all of this. Because at the end of the day, nothing is going to change. Norton is gone and Ruffalo is in. Let's move on. We're going in circles.

Agreed! You get tired of coming into this thread and it's still about how Norton is blah, blah, blah and Fiege is a blah, blah, blah. Just move on. Nothign is going to change and at the end of the day, everyone in this forum is going to see the Avengers.

[Rock Sexton]

Agreed! You get tired of coming into this thread and it's still about how Norton is blah, blah, blah and Fiege is a blah, blah, blah. Just move on. Nothign is going to change and at the end of the day, everyone in this forum is going to see the Avengers.

Just like some of us are tired of coming on here to find another person reference Norton as some diva set destroyer.

Looks like we're all "tired" .....

[Ipodman]

I say just dump all the supporting players and let Pepper be busy running the company. I don't want to see too much of one solo movie trickling in and giving more weight to one character at this point. If Loki is the villain then fine, but it should be all for one, one for all. The last thing we need is another IM movie. I can see them shoving in a Ross or Blonsky cameo just to appease bitter TIH fans, but that's about it. Betty in this movie will just remind people of Norton even more.


I'm curious to see how they find the balance among all the heroes... obviously Hawkeye will be lower in attention, but what about Iron Man, Hulk, Thor and Cap?

yea I dont want Avengers to become Iron Man, since Iron Man 2 was already Avengers? Hmm Confusing

[Docker2.0]

Just like some of us are tired of coming on here to find another person reference Norton as some diva set destroyer.

Looks like we're all "tired" .....

That's fine and all but.....buddy...are we moving on or what?

[Gamma Goliath]

Agreed! You get tired of coming into this thread and it's still about how Norton is blah, blah, blah and Fiege is a blah, blah, blah. Just move on. Nothign is going to change and at the end of the day, everyone in this forum is going to see the Avengers.

Agreed. I wanna talk about hulk.

[Troy_Parker]

Why did Robert say "reprising the role of Bruce Banner"..?

was that RDJ just being an ass? :hehe:

[BizarroAids]

Agreed. On to Hulk discussion.

I loved the Hulk vs the Avengers in Ultimate Avengers (movie) I'd love to see a fight, similar to that. It seemed like it was a perfect blend of EVERY character getting their licks in on Hulk.

The one thing that I've been thinking about is, if they are all on the screen at the same time standing around. Obviously that's when we will see Banner. But I'm wondering, that (when Hulk isn't bad) is it going to be addressed how Hulk understands the orders being given to him?

Example of that, Cap telling Hulk to take out a tank or whatever....Is he going to get it? In TIH, he knew to attack Abom. by simply "aiming" it. I really don't want to see it as a "comedic gag" throughout the film, of Cap or Iron Man pointing at Hulk and then at the objective and saying "Go get it"...Ya'know?

Sorry, maybe i'm looking too much into it. :csad:

[drax]

It's my understanding that Marvel never has nor never will have test screenings.

Anyone that saw the deleted scenes on the IH DVD knows that a LOT of great character stuff was cut from the film. You don't need rumors to confirm that fact. Some were good cuts but some were AWFUL choices to cut. Leave 20 minutes of that character/relationship stuff in and Incredible Hulk is an instant classic.

Apparently it was not really a fact because some peoples don't have the same opinions, it's clearly about taste, imo these cut don't change specially the movie, so for me it's not really a problem.

We don't have seen all the cuts, and don't have seen the movie in the same condition that for the test screening, if it was like the Ang Lee movie (according Letterier himself), I'm 100% behind these cuts and I don't specially care about the ego of Norton (despite he is a fantastic actor).

[Silver Knight]

Anyone other then myself think Hulk will look different to 2008's ITH?

[Gamma Goliath]

He shouldn't look different, its the same character.

[Obi-Ron]

I assume some tweaks will be made to the existing character. Spidey, for example, had numerous minor changes to his costume in Spider-Man 2.


I loved the Hulk vs the Avengers in Ultimate Avengers (movie) I'd love to see a fight, similar to that. It seemed like it was a perfect blend of EVERY character getting their licks in on Hulk.


Errr...that's one interpretation, I guess....

[ArtTeacher]

I assume some tweaks will be made to the existing character. Spidey, for example, had numerous minor changes to his costume in Spider-Man 2.

I must have missed them. What were they?
(By the way, good seeing you again, Obi-Ron!)

[Doctor Jones]

The colors were richer, the spider on the front and back was changed, the eyes were smaller I think.

[Norm3]

They need to make the Hulk talk & understand. They never wanted to show that in the Hulk movies. So the Hulk came off as dumb.

[Obi-Ron]

Hi ArtTeacher. Nice to have some Hulk news to discuss!

From wikipedia: Although roughly the same, costume designer James Acheson made numerous subtle changes to Spider-Man's costume. The colors were made richer and bolder, the spider emblem was given more elegant lines, the eye-lenses were somewhat smaller, and the muscle suit underneath was made into pieces, to give a better sense of movement. The helmet Maguire wore under his mask was also improved, with better movement for the false jaw and magnetic eye pieces, which were easier to remove

Funnily enough, it's almost exactly what Dr. J and I said. Weird.

[The Question]

While I'm not fond of the personalities involved, I think the big fight between the team and The Hulk in The Ultimates would make a very good basis for the one in the film, in regards to the logistics and the sheer scope of the threat. Even if you cut out the cannibalism and rape, The Hulk was pretty threatening in that sequence. Heck, he'd have been even scarier if he were completely silent other than screaming at people.

[Avengers-Report]

I hope he doesn't look any different than the previous movie. It is the same character, they need to keep the universes consistent.

[cyclone]

I posted this in the Mark Ruffalo Support thread and got no take up :( so am posting here! :)

------------------------------

Ok, so we're partly talking Hulk dialogue.

Post 3 lines you'd like to see, or would guess will appear in the movie at some point, spoken by the Hulk.

"Hulk hate metal man."

"Hulk smash puny thunder God!"

"Hulk has (or) needs no friends..."

And just in case they're taking inspiration from Michael Bay and his 'humour'....

"Hulk have gas!" - Admittedly that's unlikely.......

--------------------------------

Thoughts?

[Alientraveller]

I hope he doesn't look any different than the previous movie. It is the same character, they need to keep the universes consistent.

I also hope Whedon doesn't go back to the chubby toddler look of Ang Lee's Hulk.

[Obi-Ron]

"Chubby toddler?!?" Wha?

[tmiller2]

Am i the only one who liked the hulk in the first movie better?
I don't think Edward Norton should have played the hulk. I'm sorry, but Eric Bana was much better.

Looking forward to seeing him (Hulk) in the Avengers though!

[Doctor Jones]

While I'm not fond of the personalities involved, I think the big fight between the team and The Hulk in The Ultimates would make a very good basis for the one in the film, in regards to the logistics and the sheer scope of the threat. Even if you cut out the cannibalism and rape, The Hulk was pretty threatening in that sequence. Heck, he'd have been even scarier if he were completely silent other than screaming at people.

That's going a bit too far for Hulk. :dry:

[Gamma Goliath]

That's why ultimate hulk should never be adapted anywhere.

[TheFuture]

That's going a bit too far for Hulk. :dry:

The depiction of Ultimate Hulk both disturbed me greatly and cracked me up greatly at the same time.

[Doctor Jones]

I mean Hulk raping? That's totally uneccessary and innapropriate.

[TheFuture]

I mean Hulk raping? That's totally uneccessary and innapropriate.

I had to stop reading The Ultimates because the characterisation of, well, everyone, did nothing for me. But as far as I'm aware Hulk didn't actually get to rape, it was just suggested that if Hulk catches Betty he'll want to bump uglies with her.

[ArtTeacher]

That's why ultimate hulk should never be adapted anywhere.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/Hulk5150/amen2.jpg

[Gamma Goliath]

Marvel needs to read your sig.

[ArtTeacher]

Marvel needs to read your sig.

Agreed and thanks. Marvel really needs to see this:

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6742/hulkredesign.jpg

[JeetKuneDo]

Boo the guy who is responsible for bringing your favorite super heroes to the big screen in tremendous and faithful fashion? Boo the guy who is putting together the most epic ensemble piece in film history? Boo the guy who is making every fanboy's dream come true?

Why? Because he couldn't come to terms with an actor?

That my friend is not just classless; it's petty!

Norton is gone and Ruffalo is here. Either accept it and move on; or find something else to be excited about. Apparently DC is making a Green Lantern movie of some kind?

This.

We need a time machine. Put some of these fans in it and take them back about 10 years or so. Jump out and ask comics fans if they would be mad at a guy that is giving them all the stuff we are about to get. When they ask why they should be mad, tell them he fired an actor who starred in one of the least successful super hero movies and whose performance in that movie didn't wow the public....and who also was involved in the creative process on that movie...and wanted creative input on the big one upcoming. See if those fans think that is a big outrage.

There is no real clarification over Norton signing a multi-picture deal. Some sources say he did sign one but some say he didn't.

Also when did Norton say he wants to direct The Avengers and no one said he wanted more money. That is just speculation. If you want to follow what Feige said then Marvel didn't get rid of Norton for money issues.

Make sure you point that out to Rock. :awesome:

VVV

Docker your recount of the tiff is extremely exaggerated. Remind me again WHO promised Norton he could re-write the script and have more creative control? Remind us all WHO promised him those things in order to get him to sign? If you'd check your history you'd see Norton originally didn't want the role, it wasn't until those conditions were met. Then at the end, Marvel stuck it to him and went back on their promises .... just like they stuck it to him with those blatantly "fake" negotiations and attacking his character and integrity publicly.

It's funny to listen to people try to knock Norton for making sure his product is the best it can be.

Some of you seem like you'll except any actor Marvel force feeds you and claim "win" with every one of them. Just change your last name to Feige already. :hehe: j/k

[Rock Sexton]

Point what out to me? Your posts make little sense. They're as broken as Feige's word and his promises to Norton for TIH.

[Whiskey Tango]

Agreed and thanks. Marvel really needs to see this:

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6742/hulkredesign.jpg

I can get on board with this, the CG model looked damned good. There's no need to make him look like Ruffalo either.

[Doctor Jones]

I'd say stick with the design, though I wouldn't be surprised if they made tweaks. They'll probably be doing that. If they don't, just update the technology.

[Gamma Goliath]

Agreed and thanks. Marvel really needs to see this:

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6742/hulkredesign.jpg

You are officially my hero artteacher :awesome:
Nah, but marvel doesn't need to alter hulk. Just update him.

[TheDarkKnight08]

Agreed and thanks. Marvel really needs to see this:

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6742/hulkredesign.jpg

I think I have to point out that that is the best TIH picture, nay the best Hulk picture PERIOD. EVER.

And yes, maybe a few tweaks here and there wouldn't be a bad thing. But not enough that's distractingly different from TIH's. The problem was never the design of Hulk, but that in some scenes, the CGI was just a bit off. Though that screenshot up there is a bit of an exception. :awesome:

[terry78]

I mean Hulk raping? That's totally uneccessary and innapropriate.

That was Millar doing his edgy thing, but once you do that, all the subconscious innocence that the Hulk has is gone completely. He's always been a character that, even though he causes damage and ****s up, for the most part it's never his fault.

[Doctor Jones]

Mark Miller? Figures.

[Silver Knight]

Hulk WILL look different because a different actor will be playing him. Its not Nortans Hulk anymore.

[illest urban]

so wait. will I get flamed if I say I still wish Norton was playing Hulk?

:D

[ArtTeacher]

Hulk WILL look different because a different actor will be playing him. Its not Nortans Hulk anymore.

And it was established that they weren't trying to make the Hulk look like Norton....which means they can keep the same design.

[Silver Knight]

And it was established that they weren't trying to make the Hulk look like Norton....which means they can keep the same design.

I doubt they will.

[Obi-Ron]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Hopefully details will be a little more forthcoming with Avengers than they were with Incredible.

[Ahura Mazda]

Just please let them keep the Hulk within the classic Marvel world and not refer to the Hulk that was in the Ultimates.

I really think the issue with Norton was that Banner was not going to prominently feature in this movie. Much less so then the Hulk and as such any actor would have not that much more then a cameo role. It was likely that with Ruffalo Whedon and Feige was getting somone who would do what they want them to rather then one who may try for more.

I could be wrong but whether I am or not, I am just hoping that Whedon will come out with a good movie that will feature the Hulk in a respective and impressibve manner.

[Norm3]

I mean Hulk raping? That's totally uneccessary and innapropriate. I can't stand that Ultimate Universe.

[Norm3]

Agreed and thanks. Marvel really needs to see this:

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/6742/hulkredesign.jpg
We may get an upgrade because of the Tech but were not going to get a redesign.

[Norm3]

Hulk WILL look different because a different actor will be playing him. Its not Nortans Hulk anymore. How many time have they already said the looks of the Hulk will never be based on one of the actors. Bana was the last time.

[Chris Wallace]

That's why ultimate characters should never be adapted anywhere.

Fixed.

[Chris Wallace]

How many time have they already said the looks of the Hulk will never be based on one of the actors. Bana was the last time.

I could very clearly see Norton's features in TIH.

[Norm3]

I could very clearly see Norton's features in TIH.
Oh really. Its in your head because its been repeated on many sites that the current Hulk is not based on Nortons features.

[Original Spawn]

I like TIH´s version of the hulk
we need an Hulk Smash
not a
Hulk Rapes

[ArtTeacher]

I could very clearly see Norton's features in TIH.

Say what?

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/684/hulknorton.jpg

[LuisTX85]

Say what?

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/684/hulknorton.jpg

Even IF that Hulk's face was based on Norton's feature....I think it can still pass for Ruffalo's face feature a bit!.

Either way,I think they will keep the same Hulk design or atleast very similar to it,IF so....This makes me even more ok with the new casting cause then Hulk will still have continuity to the character model itself and Ruffalo will most likely have small screen time as Bruce and even then....Ruffalo can loose some weight and so atleast then only face&voice will be the most off-note from Bruce Banner continuity!.

[Original Spawn]

I think that the face seems more like ruffalu´s face than norton´s face

[Norm3]

The Hulks features are based on the CB not Nortons. They did this on purpose. It was reported years ago that they didn't want the Hulk to look like whatever current actor was playing the part because they knew it would be different people over time. Bana was the first & last time they went the other way & it was Ang Lee who decided it. They gave him to much creative control & you see what happened.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Am i the only one who liked the hulk in the first movie better?
I don't think Edward Norton should have played the hulk. I'm sorry, but Eric Bana was much better.

Looking forward to seeing him (Hulk) in the Avengers though!

No, you arent the only one, Hulk looked much better in the 2003, or at least, the CGI did, I do like the design of the 2008 one though.

Bana was easily as good as Norton in the role, but Bana got A LOT more to work with, all of Norton's best scenes were cut out.

But overall, I and a lot of people prefer the 2003 Hulk to the new one.

[Norm3]

Well I own TIH on blueray not the Hulk. I wish Bana & Connelly were in TIH & i'd be super happy.

[terry78]

2003 Hulk had more detail and emotion, 2008 Hulk was bigger and more ripped, and basically LOOKED more dangerous.

[ArtTeacher]

But overall, I and a lot of people prefer the 2003 Hulk to the new one.

In 7 years I've never met anyone who liked the 2003 at all, much less better than the 2008 version.

[Norm3]

In 7 years I've never met anyone who liked the 2003 at all, much less better than the 2008 version. I agree. There's small cult following online. Ang Lee gushers. Ang Lee had no clue about the Hulk. 15 ft anyone!

[LuisTX85]

I love BOTH designs!,For Avengers though....I much prefer latest one cause of my enjoyment and cause makes more sense obviously story-wise!.

[Silver Knight]

I think Hulk will have much shorter hair in the Avengers.

[Ipodman]

2003 Hulk had more detail and emotion, 2008 Hulk was bigger and more ripped, and basically LOOKED more dangerous.

Yea the 2008 version looked more realistic too. The 2003 Hulk looked like a piece of jelly walking around

[Docker2.0]

In 7 years I've never met anyone who liked the 2003 at all, much less better than the 2008 version.

Hahaha! Agreed! I thought maybe it was a typo and I was seeing thing but I haven't met a single soul who prefered Lee's Hulk over Letterier.

[Silver Knight]

In 7 years I've never met anyone who liked the 2003 at all, much less better than the 2008 version.

Agreed.

[Ipodman]

There ARE people who liked either movie.

[TheBeastWithin]

Whoever is doing the design work and CGI on Avengers' Hulk really needs to step it up and put their stamp on the character visually, since that is, and was the biggest gripe by moviegoers for both films. Avengers' Hulk should make people forget about what's come before or at least render them obsolete. This is especially true if Hulk will be sharing the screen with IM, Thor, and Cap. Man I can't wait for this movie.

[Avengers-Report]

I cannot wait either. Hopefully the Hulk has a role as a villain in the movie and his features can be more brutal and savage.

[Stripesy Strip]

2003 Hulk had more detail and emotion, 2008 Hulk was bigger and more ripped, and basically LOOKED more dangerous.

The second Hulk was not bigger. Also he may have been angrier but he didn't look more dangerous. It's like he was whining a lot, like an emo teen. He got his butt handed to him by Abomination and only a chain saved him. The first was this gigantic force of nature.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

In 7 years I've never met anyone who liked the 2003 at all, much less better than the 2008 version.

Then you need to meet more people, I know just as many who prefer Hulk over TIH as I do vice-versa and thats not on this forum.

As for this forum, I point you to this thread:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=270749

I agree. There's small cult following online. Ang Lee gushers. Ang Lee had no clue about the Hulk. 15 ft anyone!

Ang Lee had no clue? There were more stuff from the comics in Hulk than there was in TIH, TIH followed the TV series more than the comics and the TV series was hardly faithful.

And i'm no Ang Lee gusher, Hulk is the only movie of his I have ever liked.

The second Hulk was not bigger. Also he may have been angrier but he didn't look more dangerous. It's like he was whining a lot, like an emo teen. He got his butt handed to him by Abomination and only a chain saved him. The first was this gigantic force of nature.

Definately, the Hulk in Hulk seemed a lot more powerful as well, TIH struggled to lift a Humvy, 2003 Hulk was throwing tanks around like they were nothing.

[Cracker Jack]

The first was this gigantic force of nature.

That got tired after fighting three ganna dogs. And one was a Poodle! BWHAHAHAHAHA. Hulk was Ang Lee and James Shamus s/p? take on The Hulk that missed the mark trying to explain everything and put people to sleep. You know us Hulk fans can't concentrate that long. We just wanted Hulk Smash.

[ArtTeacher]

He got his butt handed to him by Abomination and only a chain saved him. The first was this gigantic force of nature.

A gigantic force of nature?
A gigantic force of nature that got knocked out by some dad-turned jellyfish?
Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot?

I've never understood the people that said the 2008 Hulk was weaker than the 2003 one. Just because he wasn't shown lifting a tank doesn't mean he couldn't. Honestly, I think the Abomination would have eaten Ang's Hulk for breakfast. Can you see Tim Roth's Abomination having trouble with Gamma Poodles? And as far as the 2003 Hulk being able to jump further than the 2008 Hulk, they simply chose not to show the Hulk jump for miles, since that is one of the things people laughed at during the 2003 Hulk. Ed Norton's Banner ended up in another country after he Hulked out. What--do you think the Hulk hitchhiked to another land? Jogged? Took a cab?

We saw the incredible Hulk get more angry and physically overpower the Abomination. Then--he ripped one of the Abomination's bones out of his body and stabbed him with it. Let me say that again--he stabbed the Abomination with one of his own bones. Oh, hell yeah!
Ang's Hulk...looked at moss a lot.

Then you need to meet more people, I know just as many who prefer Hulk over TIH as I do vice-versa and thats not on this forum.

That's great.
Go to any mall, amusement park, or general gathering of people. Ask a perfect stranger if they liked the 2003 Hulk movie.
See what happens.
I'm not saying they're aren't people that liked it, I'm saying every single person I have ever asked (and--being a Hulk fan, it comes up a lot), gladly tells me how much they hated the 2003 Hulk movie.
It's much more often than not that I hear, "Worst movie ever made".


As for this forum, I point you to this thread:
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=270749

Yes, I've seen that thread. And what percentage of posts are yours? ;)

Listen, I'm glad you liked it. I really am. Heck, I wish *I* would have liked it--it would have made the 5 years between 2003 and 2008 a lot better for me. :)

But I don't want to turn this thread into an Ang VS. Norton fest.
Ruffalo is the current Banner...let's stay positive, move forward, and continue discussing "The Hulk in Avengers".

Cheers.
(And a big Hi to my man, Cracker Jack!)

[JeetKuneDo]

I agree. There's small cult following online. Ang Lee gushers. Ang Lee had no clue about the Hulk. 15 ft anyone!

Ewwww...I did like the look better in the '03 movie...but good lord the size thing was absurd.

A gigantic force of nature?
A gigantic force of nature that got knocked out by some dad-turned jellyfish?
Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot?

I've never understood the people that said the 2008 Hulk was weaker than the 2003 one. Just because he wasn't shown lifting a tank doesn't mean he couldn't. Honestly, I think the Abomination would have eaten Ang's Hulk for breakfast. Can you see Tim Roth's Abomination having trouble with Gamma Poodles? And as far as the 2003 Hulk being able to jump further than the 2008 Hulk, they simply chose not to show the Hulk jump for miles, since that is one of the things people laughed at during the 2003 Hulk. Ed Norton's Banner ended up in another country after he Hulked out. What--do you think the Hulk hitchhiked to another land? Jogged? Took a cab?

I too got the idea that the '08 version was weaker...true or not. It just seemed that way. Maybe it was the jumping thing. But good point about how TIH demonstrated that the Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier. I do wish one of the characters had pointed that one out as it was happening to make it more clear.

People laughing at the jumping was another reason I put on my list to hate the TV show. It's that show's fault people thought the Hulk was supposed to jog away. Spider-Man was lucky, his horrible 70s TV show failed to garner enough ratings to stay on the air and cement a bunch of wrong ideas into the public consciousness. (Not that the Hulk TV show actually had great ratings or anything)

[Cracker Jack]

[/B][/U]Let me say that again--he stabbed the Abomination with one of his own bones. Oh, hell yeah!
Ang's Hulk...looked at moss a lot.


Man do I miss your wit.


(And a big Hi to my man, Cracker Jack!)

You said you'd never tell.

I agree let's get back on track. Norton is out and Ruffalo is in. It could be worst, the Hulk could be out and that would suck big time. Even though I'm not all the excited about the change at least The Hulk still has a future and I gotta think that Ruffalo would sign on without geting him own chance at a Hulk movie.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That got tired after fighting three ganna dogs. And one was a Poodle! BWHAHAHAHAHA. Hulk was Ang Lee and James Shamus s/p? take on The Hulk that missed the mark trying to explain everything and put people to sleep. You know us Hulk fans can't concentrate that long. We just wanted Hulk Smash.

TIH Hulk struggled lifting a humvy, which wouldnt even be a quarter of the weight of the tanks in Hulk, not to mention Blonsky gave Hulk a really good fight with just a little of the serum in him.

The 3 dogs were gamma powered and very strong themselves, doesnt matter what type of dog they were.

And anyway, how the hell are you CJ?

A gigantic force of nature?
A gigantic force of nature that got knocked out by some dad-turned jellyfish?
Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot?

I've never understood the people that said the 2008 Hulk was weaker than the 2003 one. Just because he wasn't shown lifting a tank doesn't mean he couldn't. Honestly, I think the Abomination would have eaten Ang's Hulk for breakfast. Can you see Tim Roth's Abomination having trouble with Gamma Poodles? And as far as the 2003 Hulk being able to jump further than the 2008 Hulk, they simply chose not to show the Hulk jump for miles, since that is one of the things people laughed at during the 2003 Hulk. Ed Norton's Banner ended up in another country after he Hulked out. What--do you think the Hulk hitchhiked to another land? Jogged? Took a cab?

We saw the incredible Hulk get more angry and physically overpower the Abomination. Then--he ripped one of the Abomination's bones out of his body and stabbed him with it. Let me say that again--he stabbed the Abomination with one of his own bones. Oh, hell yeah!
Ang's Hulk...looked at moss a lot.

We saw Ang's Hulk getting stronger the madder he got as well, he just got bigger as well (which admittedly he shouldnt of)

Ang's Hulk performed much bigger feats of strength and endurance than TIH, the tanks Hulk was tossing around in Ang's movie weigh 70 tons, and he tossed them about very easily. TIH Hulk struggled with armoured humvy which would weigh around 5 tons, and had to protect himself with metal shields from grenades and gun-fire, heck, even a 9mm handgun hurt him!

TIH Hulk was taking 50-cals and machine gun fire and it hurt him, 'Hulk' Hulk took missiles, tank shells, mini-guns from jets and choppers (which are bigger than 50 cals), a freaking cluster bomb, a gamma charge, not to mention survived a fall from the stratosphere and being thrown back to earth from the clouds by his father. Also, David never knocked Hulk out, he froze him.

I'm sorry, but TIH Hulk just doesnt compare to Ang's Hulk in terms of strength an edurance.



That's great.
Go to any mall, amusement park, or general gathering of people. Ask a perfect stranger if they liked the 2003 Hulk movie.
See what happens.
I'm not saying they're aren't people that liked it, I'm saying every single person I have ever asked (and--being a Hulk fan, it comes up a lot), gladly tells me how much they hated the 2003 Hulk movie.
It's much more often than not that I hear, "Worst movie ever made".

I go to many places, and discuss movie with many people, both strangers and friends, I have heard plenty say they love one over the other, but never heard of one dominating the other in that regard. I have also met plenty of people who enjoyed both equally.




Yes, I've seen that thread. And what percentage of posts are yours? ;)

Actually, if you go through it, there are pages an pages without a post on it :woot:.

Listen, I'm glad you liked it. I really am. Heck, I wish *I* would have liked it--it would have made the 5 years between 2003 and 2008 a lot better for me. :)

But I don't want to turn this thread into an Ang VS. Norton fest.
Ruffalo is the current Banner...let's stay positive, move forward, and continue discussing "The Hulk in Avengers".

Cheers.
(And a big Hi to my man, Cracker Jack!)

I'm just glad its made, because I feel TIH will be scooped under the carpet somewhat by Marvel, I will always have Hulk there too enjoy on its own.

[Whiskey Tango]

not to mention Blonsky gave Hulk a really good fight with just a little of the serum in him.

I wouldn't call dancing around until Hulk is pissed & then getting violently planted into the side of a tree a good fight. Not if you're Blonsky, anyway.

I'm sorry, but TIH Hulk just doesnt compare to Ang's Hulk in terms of strength an edurance.

And bright greenness.

[ArtTeacher]

People laughing at the jumping was another reason I put on my list to hate the TV show. It's that show's fault people thought the Hulk was supposed to jog away. Spider-Man was lucky, his horrible 70s TV show failed to garner enough ratings to stay on the air and cement a bunch of wrong ideas into the public consciousness. (Not that the Hulk TV show actually had great ratings or anything)

If it wasn't for the TV show, the Hulk would not be one of Marvel's top icons today. Period.

And if the show HAD been true to the comic, right around the episode where Bill Bixby had to fight off the Terrible Toad Men, the show would have gotten canceled faster than the original Hulk comic.

It ran for 5 years. If it didn't have the ratings, it would have been yanked long before. There were attempts at Spider-Man, Captain America, and Dr. Strange shows around the same time. Spider-Man didn't last long and the others barely got beyond one or two episodes. The Hulk was the only one which Marvel slapped "Marvel's TV Sensation" on its cover for a large portion of the show's run.

Memories of the show still endure and many people still identify with it. That is a sign that it made an impact on LOTS of people.

It was the first sci-fi show to win an Emmy. It was one of the longest running and most successful sci-fi shows. It's ratings were good and the pilot episode was the #1 rated show the night it aired. It was tied as the most expensive show to film on television at the time (about a million dollars an episode). It's second biggest demographic was with adult women (not exactly the comic book demographic, is it?). More people were watching than kids and comic book geeks. Did it do "Dancing with the Stars" type numbers in the ratings? No. But green wig be damned, I'd STILL rather watch The Incredible Hulk than Ryan Secrest and Mario Lopez.

[Obi-Ron]

I miss the "I still love the Hulk TV show" thread.

[ArtTeacher]

I miss the "I still love the Hulk TV show" thread.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=296353

[LuisTX85]

If it wasn't for the TV show, the Hulk would not be one of Marvel's top icons today. Period.

And if the show HAD been true to the comic, right around the episode where Bill Bixby had to fight off the Terrible Toad Men, the show would have gotten canceled faster than the original Hulk comic.

It ran for 5 years. If it didn't have the ratings, it would have been yanked long before. There were attempts at Spider-Man, Captain America, and Dr. Strange shows around the same time. Spider-Man didn't last long and the others barely got beyond one or two episodes. The Hulk was the only one which Marvel slapped "Marvel's TV Sensation" on its cover for a large portion of the show's run.

Memories of the show still endure and many people still identify with it. That is a sign that it made an impact on LOTS of people.

It was the first sci-fi show to win an Emmy. It was one of the longest running and most successful sci-fi shows. It's ratings were good and the pilot episode was the #1 rated show the night it aired. It was tied as the most expensive show to film on television at the time (about a million dollars an episode). It's second biggest demographic was with adult women (not exactly the comic book demographic, is it?). More people were watching than kids and comic book geeks. Did it do "Dancing with the Stars" type numbers in the ratings? No. But green wig be damned, I'd STILL rather watch The Incredible Hulk than Ryan Secrest and Mario Lopez.

I agree 100%!.

[Iron_Stark]

If it wasn't for the TV show, the Hulk would not be one of Marvel's top icons today. Period.

And if the show HAD been true to the comic, right around the episode where Bill Bixby had to fight off the Terrible Toad Men, the show would have gotten canceled faster than the original Hulk comic.

It ran for 5 years. If it didn't have the ratings, it would have been yanked long before. There were attempts at Spider-Man, Captain America, and Dr. Strange shows around the same time. Spider-Man didn't last long and the others barely got beyond one or two episodes. The Hulk was the only one which Marvel slapped "Marvel's TV Sensation" on its cover for a large portion of the show's run.

Memories of the show still endure and many people still identify with it. That is a sign that it made an impact on LOTS of people.

It was the first sci-fi show to win an Emmy. It was one of the longest running and most successful sci-fi shows. It's ratings were good and the pilot episode was the #1 rated show the night it aired. It was tied as the most expensive show to film on television at the time (about a million dollars an episode). It's second biggest demographic was with adult women (not exactly the comic book demographic, is it?). More people were watching than kids and comic book geeks. Did it do "Dancing with the Stars" type numbers in the ratings? No. But green wig be damned, I'd STILL rather watch The Incredible Hulk than Ryan Secrest and Mario Lopez.

QFT :up:

[JeetKuneDo]

If it wasn't for the TV show, the Hulk would not be one of Marvel's top icons today. Period.

And if the show HAD been true to the comic, right around the episode where Bill Bixby had to fight off the Terrible Toad Men, the show would have gotten canceled faster than the original Hulk comic.

It ran for 5 years. If it didn't have the ratings, it would have been yanked long before. There were attempts at Spider-Man, Captain America, and Dr. Strange shows around the same time. Spider-Man didn't last long and the others barely got beyond one or two episodes. The Hulk was the only one which Marvel slapped "Marvel's TV Sensation" on its cover for a large portion of the show's run.

Memories of the show still endure and many people still identify with it. That is a sign that it made an impact on LOTS of people.

It was the first sci-fi show to win an Emmy. It was one of the longest running and most successful sci-fi shows. It's ratings were good and the pilot episode was the #1 rated show the night it aired. It was tied as the most expensive show to film on television at the time (about a million dollars an episode). It's second biggest demographic was with adult women (not exactly the comic book demographic, is it?). More people were watching than kids and comic book geeks. Did it do "Dancing with the Stars" type numbers in the ratings? No. But green wig be damned, I'd STILL rather watch The Incredible Hulk than Ryan Secrest and Mario Lopez.

I'll agree with the last sentence at least. ;)

The following is not written to anger just in case I word it poorly.

First sentence sounds odd. The Spider-Man show failed and he's their biggest icon. I don't think there is a connection. As I said before...he probably lucked out. No TV show to condition the public to a character that wasn't really Spider-Man. So the movie didn't have to fight that.

The second sentence is another one of those suppositions that assume the general public just can't handle the real Hulk character. No one has ever put him out there so I keep wondering how anyone could know that. What if Batman had been put through that and his movies stayed with the 60s TV show formula at the expense of the comic character? (shudder).

I actually looked at the yearly ratings for that time period not long ago. The Incredible Hulk never broke the top 25. That wasn't that great back then before cable. One year "That's Incredible" was pretty high up there and that fooled me for a sec. ;) It seems it was just popular enough to stay on the air and establish a lot of bad ideas in the public consciousness. That's why so many reacted poorly to the Hulk leaping. I would love to point out to them that I have the exact same reaction to the way the TV shat all over the comic version. So welcome to my world. We are currently stuck with a mute Hulk due to the TV show....thanks for that. :waa: (I still admire and respect Lou Ferrigno because he put up with being relegated to being a mute guest star on a show where he played the title character.)

[Norm3]

The second Hulk was not bigger. Also he may have been angrier but he didn't look more dangerous. It's like he was whining a lot, like an emo teen. He got his butt handed to him by Abomination and only a chain saved him. The first was this gigantic force of nature.
Louis Lettier never put across how the madder Hulk gets the stronger he gets.

I hated the small Spiderman leaps & not the powerful jumps at the end of the movie. LL just didn't get the small details right. I'm glad a director who grew up reading the books is finally going to direct.

[Norm3]

Then you need to meet more people, I know just as many who prefer Hulk over TIH as I do vice-versa and thats not on this forum.

As for this forum, I point you to this thread:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=270749



Ang Lee had no clue? There were more stuff from the comics in Hulk than there was in TIH, TIH followed the TV series more than the comics and the TV series was hardly faithful.

And i'm no Ang Lee gusher, Hulk is the only movie of his I have ever liked.



Definately, the Hulk in Hulk seemed a lot more powerful as well, TIH struggled to lift a Humvy, 2003 Hulk was throwing tanks around like they were nothing.

I'll give you that. The Hulk in A.Lees movie was stronger. But he was also different sizes & I hated that.

[Norm3]

A gigantic force of nature?
A gigantic force of nature that got knocked out by some dad-turned jellyfish?
Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot?

I've never understood the people that said the 2008 Hulk was weaker than the 2003 one. Just because he wasn't shown lifting a tank doesn't mean he couldn't. Honestly, I think the Abomination would have eaten Ang's Hulk for breakfast. Can you see Tim Roth's Abomination having trouble with Gamma Poodles? And as far as the 2003 Hulk being able to jump further than the 2008 Hulk, they simply chose not to show the Hulk jump for miles, since that is one of the things people laughed at during the 2003 Hulk. Ed Norton's Banner ended up in another country after he Hulked out. What--do you think the Hulk hitchhiked to another land? Jogged? Took a cab?

We saw the incredible Hulk get more angry and physically overpower the Abomination. Then--he ripped one of the Abomination's bones out of his body and stabbed him with it. Let me say that again--he stabbed the Abomination with one of his own bones. Oh, hell yeah!
Ang's Hulk...looked at moss a lot.



That's great.
Go to any mall, amusement park, or general gathering of people. Ask a perfect stranger if they liked the 2003 Hulk movie.
See what happens.
I'm not saying they're aren't people that liked it, I'm saying every single person I have ever asked (and--being a Hulk fan, it comes up a lot), gladly tells me how much they hated the 2003 Hulk movie.
It's much more often than not that I hear, "Worst movie ever made".




Yes, I've seen that thread. And what percentage of posts are yours? ;)

Listen, I'm glad you liked it. I really am. Heck, I wish *I* would have liked it--it would have made the 5 years between 2003 and 2008 a lot better for me. :)

But I don't want to turn this thread into an Ang VS. Norton fest.
Ruffalo is the current Banner...let's stay positive, move forward, and continue discussing "The Hulk in Avengers".

Cheers.
(And a big Hi to my man, Cracker Jack!)

Maybe the Hulk skipped to another country. I never heard people had trouble with the long leaps, they had trouble with his Flash like speed running. BTW i hate the 2003 Giant-Man Hulk!

[Norm3]

If it wasn't for the TV show, the Hulk would not be one of Marvel's top icons today. Period.

And if the show HAD been true to the comic, right around the episode where Bill Bixby had to fight off the Terrible Toad Men, the show would have gotten canceled faster than the original Hulk comic.

It ran for 5 years. If it didn't have the ratings, it would have been yanked long before. There were attempts at Spider-Man, Captain America, and Dr. Strange shows around the same time. Spider-Man didn't last long and the others barely got beyond one or two episodes. The Hulk was the only one which Marvel slapped "Marvel's TV Sensation" on its cover for a large portion of the show's run.

Memories of the show still endure and many people still identify with it. That is a sign that it made an impact on LOTS of people.

It was the first sci-fi show to win an Emmy. It was one of the longest running and most successful sci-fi shows. It's ratings were good and the pilot episode was the #1 rated show the night it aired. It was tied as the most expensive show to film on television at the time (about a million dollars an episode). It's second biggest demographic was with adult women (not exactly the comic book demographic, is it?). More people were watching than kids and comic book geeks. Did it do "Dancing with the Stars" type numbers in the ratings? No. But green wig be damned, I'd STILL rather watch The Incredible Hulk than Ryan Secrest and Mario Lopez.
I hated the Hulk tv show as a kid because it wasn't enough like the Hulk CBs I was reading at the time.

[Whiskey Tango]

As strong as he is he ought to be able to move along at a pretty decent clip. Nowhere near Flash fast, but still fast.

As for the tiny leaps, I don't see why people think he should jump 2 miles every time he leaps. How's he supposed to know where he's going to land? Making blind jumps like that is a great way to end up in the middle of a lake or in someone's living room with their body squished between your green toes.

[Doctor Jones]

Man, so the Hulk in the Avengers! Yeah...

I hope it's good!

[Norm3]

As strong as he is he ought to be able to move along at a pretty decent clip. Nowhere near Flash fast, but still fast.

As for the tiny leaps, I don't see why people think he should jump 2 miles every time he leaps. How's he supposed to know where he's going to land? Making blind jumps like that is a great way to end up in the middle of a lake or in someone's living room with their body squished between your green toes.
If i remember correctly the Hulk can leap a mile at a time & he never really had a destination other than to get the heck away from the current military threat at the time.

[Silver Knight]

So, Hulk. Good or Bad in the Avengers?

[Gamma Goliath]

we dont know. hopefully he'll be a bit of a hero, and i hope he has a good amount of screentime.

[Silver Knight]

we dont know. hopefully he'll be a bit of a hero, and i hope he has a good amount of screentime.

Lets hope so.

[Avengers-Report]

So, Hulk. Good or Bad in the Avengers?

Bad. Hopefully it is similar to the animation movie Hulk vs Thor, in which Loki tries to control Hulk to fight Thor. I really like that idea of Loki controlling Hulk to get revenge against his brother. That could be set up really well depending on how Thor ends.

[Silver Knight]

I actually think Hulk will be some sort of hero.

[The Question]

I think Bruce Banner will be a hero. I think The Hulk with be straight up chaotic neutral. This is as it should be.

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, but if Banner decided to join the team which shouldn't really happen until the third act, how will Hulk go down? WHen he transforms will Hulk just stand idle and listen? I don't see that. I think part of Bruce's journey should be control which he has always wanted. He realizes he can't be cured, so the best thing to do is control the Hulk and embrace it and use him for good. Which if they use Loki controlling Hulk, this theme could be very powerful for Banner and his journey.

[dcHulk]

Louis Lettier never put across how the madder Hulk gets the stronger he gets.

I hated the small Spiderman leaps & not the powerful jumps at the end of the movie. LL just didn't get the small details right. I'm glad a director who grew up reading the books is finally going to direct.

Um, yes he did--twice in fact.

[Gamma Goliath]

^yeah, i love how his eyes flickered as his anger grew.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I wouldn't call dancing around until Hulk is pissed & then getting violently planted into the side of a tree a good fight. Not if you're Blonsky, anyway.

Blonsky got Hulk exactly were he wanted him, it was only his recklessness that got him planted into the tree.



And bright greenness.

He was a bit too bright.

I'll give you that. The Hulk in A.Lees movie was stronger. But he was also different sizes & I hated that.

He was definately stronger, all you have to do is watch both movies to realise this, its all there on the screen.

And yeah I hated the changing size thing too, but I think if he would have done a sequel he would have gotten rid of that.

[Norm3]

Bad. Hopefully it is similar to the animation movie Hulk vs Thor, in which Loki tries to control Hulk to fight Thor. I really like that idea of Loki controlling Hulk to get revenge against his brother. That could be set up really well depending on how Thor ends.
Actually didn't Loki control the Hulks mind in Avengers #1? I also remember an issue of the Hulk in Tales to Astonish where the Stranger controled the mind of the Hulk or was it the Abomination.

[Norm3]

Um, yes he did--twice in fact. uh where? because its barely noticable. Infact I saw the Hulk get weaker.

[Obi-Ron]

Actually didn't Loki control the Hulks mind in Avengers #1? I also remember an issue of the Hulk in Tales to Astonish where the Stranger controled the mind of the Hulk or was it the Abomination.

Loki caused an illusion of dynamite, not quite mind control but it got the job done. And yes, the Stranger did indeed control Hulk...it was in the issues just before the Abomination's first appearance. :abom:

[Norm3]

Loki caused an illusion of dynamite, not quite mind control but it got the job done. And yes, the Stranger did indeed control Hulk...it was in the issues just before the Abomination's first appearance. :abom: It was in the same issues as Abomination. It was 89-92

[Gamma Goliath]

uh where? because its barely noticeable. Infact I saw the Hulk get weaker.

the college campus scene where hulk is being pummeled by the sonic waves and he hears Betty screaming.
also in the final battle when abomy had hulk pinned to the wall and the helicopter was about to explode.
in both situations, hulks eyes began to flicker and glow (brighter than they already did.) and hulk gained more strength.

[dcHulk]

the college campus scene where hulk is being pummeled by the sonic waves and he hears Betty screaming.
also in the final battle when abomy had hulk pinned to the wall and the helicopter was about to explode.
in both situations, hulks eyes began to flicker and glow (brighter than they already did.) and hulk gained more strength.

Exactly. Thank you Gamma.

[Kirmit]

I'm just waiting to hear if they're going to change the current hulk design, give the current design a fuller chest (not as stretched) and that's my perfect hulk.

[Norm3]

I'm just waiting to hear if they're going to change the current hulk design, give the current design a fuller chest (not as stretched) and that's my perfect hulk. I think the only change will be in better effects. Unless Marvel decides a revamp is in order. I don't mind tweeks from time to time like in the comic books. If Banner has been changing himself as in experimenting on himself then its certainly in order.

[Gamma Goliath]

Exactly. Thank you Gamma.
no problem at all.

[Stripesy Strip]

the college campus scene where hulk is being pummeled by the sonic waves and he hears Betty screaming.
also in the final battle when abomy had hulk pinned to the wall and the helicopter was about to explode.
in both situations, hulks eyes began to flicker and glow (brighter than they already did.) and hulk gained more strength.

Wow that's reaching. Seriously.

[Stripesy Strip]

If it wasn't for the TV show, the Hulk would not be one of Marvel's top icons today. Period.

And if the show HAD been true to the comic, right around the episode where Bill Bixby had to fight off the Terrible Toad Men, the show would have gotten canceled faster than the original Hulk comic.

It ran for 5 years. If it didn't have the ratings, it would have been yanked long before. There were attempts at Spider-Man, Captain America, and Dr. Strange shows around the same time. Spider-Man didn't last long and the others barely got beyond one or two episodes. The Hulk was the only one which Marvel slapped "Marvel's TV Sensation" on its cover for a large portion of the show's run.

Memories of the show still endure and many people still identify with it. That is a sign that it made an impact on LOTS of people.

It was the first sci-fi show to win an Emmy. It was one of the longest running and most successful sci-fi shows. It's ratings were good and the pilot episode was the #1 rated show the night it aired. It was tied as the most expensive show to film on television at the time (about a million dollars an episode). It's second biggest demographic was with adult women (not exactly the comic book demographic, is it?). More people were watching than kids and comic book geeks. Did it do "Dancing with the Stars" type numbers in the ratings? No. But green wig be damned, I'd STILL rather watch The Incredible Hulk than Ryan Secrest and Mario Lopez.

It's probably my favorite tv show of all time.

But the Hulk they were supposed to put on screen was the one from the comic that was bouncing with his super legs from town to town. That was smashing tanks like they were nothing.

Letterier didn't want any of that because he never read the comics, he came to this progect as a fan of the tv show. So he reduced his strength. And Marvel had to squeeze his arm to have Hulk say one word.

[Sarg92]

But good point about how TIH demonstrated that the Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier. I do wish one of the characters had pointed that one out as it was happening to make it more clear.

Christina Cabot's character, Ross' aide, had a scene where she mentioned Hulk got stronger as he got angrier but that scene was cut along with all of her scenes.

Wow that's reaching. Seriously.

No it's not.

Leterrier described the Hulk's eyes getting brighter as "gamma fire". So when Hulk got angrier his "gamma fire" got more intense leading to his eyes getting brighter and him becoming stronger.

[ironman29758]

It's probably my favorite tv show of all time.

But the Hulk they were supposed to put on screen was the one from the comic that was bouncing with his super legs from town to town. That was smashing tanks like they were nothing.

Letterier didn't want any of that because he never read the comics, he came to this progect as a fan of the tv show. So he reduced his strength. And Marvel had to squeeze his arm to have Hulk say one word.
http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/96367-exclusive-letterier-feige-and-hurd-on-hulks-return

CS/SHH!: Who are some of your favorite Hulk artists? I know the movie is influenced by the TV show but Kevin mentioned you had a lot of comic book panels as inspiration, too.
Letterier: Well, I mean starting with Kirby and Stan Lee, but when they offered me "Hulk" I went to a comic book store and was looking for back issues of the Hulk and I'd seen most of them, but something that really stuck out for me was "Hulk: Gray" by Tim Sale and Jeph Loeb, and I took it and I loved it. It was amazing, so when I looked at this, I thought this was beautifully graphic, truly poetic, a simple, beautiful story for the whole family so that's what I wanted to do.
Collider: Which Incredible Hulk stories did you pull inspiration from?
http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/8236/tcid/1
Kevin: There's so many of them. Initially, it was the television series which was something that was not referenced or even discussed much on Ang Lee's “Hulk”. We knew we wanted to use that structure as the backbone of our film. On the run, being pursued, looking for a cure. There was a comic series four or five years ago by a writer named Bruce Jones that had adopted a similar fugitive-on-the-run story. That's where we got the communiqué between Mr. Blue and Mr. Green that ties most of the film together. It came right out of the Bruce Jones run on that series. Louis Letterier has discussed that a lot of inspiration -- certainly visual inspiration -- came from Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale's “Hulk: Grey” which is a great standalone one-shot that really does a great job of encompassing who Bruce is, who General Ross is and the relationship between Betty and Hulk in a way that we were very much inspired by.

He was inspired by comic stories like Hulk Gray and the Bruce Jones version of the Hulk as well as many other versions the Hulk.

[Stripesy Strip]

Sarge2: That didn't work. He had trouble lifting things and he would have been beat by Abomination if not for the chain. His "getting madder" didn't help there. I can't believe how weak he was in the movie.

In comparison, in the Ang Lee, film you see him getting bombarded by the army and the more he gots shot at, the more he grows and grows and becomes stronger and you see his flesh actually working via the nannites.

[Stripesy Strip]

http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/96367-exclusive-letterier-feige-and-hurd-on-hulks-return

He was inspired by comic stories like Hulk Gray and the Bruce Jones version of the Hulk as well as many other versions the Hulk.

Letterier took the job because he liked the tv show and that's the proposal he approached Marvel with. There's dozen of interviews that says this. And Kevin Feige said it too.

But they could have drawn things from other places. The cavern seen with the storm was all Hulk: Gray by Sale and Loeb. The mister Blue, mister Green communication was from the Bruce Jones run sure. Aparantly it was Ed Norton that wrote that part. But Banner as been a fugitive forever. Jones did not invent it.

The main source, was the tv show. They had the look, the music and Norton watched it over and over to mimick Bill Bixby.

[Kirmit]

Wow that's reaching. Seriously.

How is that reaching? Hulk was in trouble, he saw betty in trouble, got angrier, got stronger and overcame the obsticle.

[LuisTX85]

I think the only change will be in better effects. Unless Marvel decides a revamp is in order. I don't mind tweeks from time to time like in the comic books. If Banner has been changing himself as in experimenting on himself then its certainly in order.

I agree!,IF they do make some changes....I would prefer they work it into the story too with Bruce making it worse with his new experiments for a cure.

[Gamma Goliath]

How is that reaching? Hulk was in trouble, he saw betty in trouble, got angrier, got stronger and overcame the obsticle.
exactly.

[LuisTX85]

Anybody else think MAYBE they can explain Bruce's new appearance by saying he got plastic surgery??,Bruce can have a big flashback scene where it shows he left Betty again and went city to city(like the TV show)But kept getting into trouble and can't find peace and so then....Bruce get's face reconstruction to try and avoid getting caught But yet S.H.I.E.L.D. found him some how!?.

[Gamma Goliath]

nah, but they do need to connect ruffalo to tih some how.

[Obi-Ron]

I think a cameo from Leonard or one of the Rosses would do that.

[Silver Knight]

How is that reaching? Hulk was in trouble, he saw betty in trouble, got angrier, got stronger and overcame the obsticle.

Agreed.

[Ipodman]

Would be interesting if in the Avengers movie, the army used robots with Betty's face to fight the hulk.

I believe I saw something like that in Hulk Team Up #1

[ArtTeacher]

Anybody else think MAYBE they can explain Bruce's new appearance by saying he got plastic surgery??,Bruce can have a big flashback scene where it shows he left Betty again and went city to city(like the TV show)But kept getting into trouble and can't find peace and so then....Bruce get's face reconstruction to try and avoid getting caught But yet S.H.I.E.L.D. found him some how!?.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=18650889&postcount=19

No. No, no no.

[JeetKuneDo]

All this talk about TIH got me itching to watch it again. So I did. Just finished it.

The argument on this page about the Hulk getting stronger can be settled easy by just watching the last fight scene. The Abomination is clearly stronger at the beginning of the fight. It isn't really that close. As mentioned earlier, the Hulk strains to lift a hummer while the Abomination tosses vehicles around like they were made of paper. He is easily beating the Hulk throughout the first half of the fight.

Then watch the "pinned against the wall" part. As the Abomination pins the Hulk there he is pummeling him at will. Then the "eyes flashing" thing happens and suddenly the Hulk is able to pull the Abomination's arms down...much to his surprise...the look on his face is priceless. Suddenly the Hulk looks much stronger than the Abomination. The fire distracts him for a moment (leading to the cool hand clap) which appears to give the Abomination a temporary advantage. But it's the Hulk at the end with the superior strength. The Abomination is completely unable to free himself despite landing several blows. He gets stabbed with his own spine thing for his trouble.

The movie is actually not bad. Better than I remember. The acting is very good throughout. Liv Tyler is ok. Tough to be the female lead in a comic book movie. Norton is good...not great...but good. William Hurt is very good. Samuel Sterns is even better....hope he gets a chance to play The Leader at some point.

Only one cheesy part that I rolled eyes at. "How do you feel?" "Like a monster"....eeek...that's bad. Lose things like that in these movies please.

Also wish someone could come up with a better way to give the Hulk his name. This time it's a college student just deciding to say "he's like a hulk"...who would say that? How about "he's like a hulking monster!" and let it flow from there? Make it a little logical for gosh sakes.

Still bothered that Betty is able to call The Hulk "Bruce" repeatedly with no reaction from him. Someone didn't read the comic very carefully.

Still bothered by the missed opportunities to give the Hulk some dialog. The cave scene was perfect. Let the poor guy express himself already! Like...how he feels about being called "Bruce"? To rub even more salt in the wound, the Abomination is able to talk with no problem at all. (And it works...killing the argument that it won't work for a big monster) But the poor Hulk just stares balefully at Betty...apparently the audience is supposed to guess what he is thinking.

The animation is good at times and not so good at times. His face looked cartoonish at times. I have to say it looked better in the first Hulk movie believe it or not. Agree with the above poster who mentioned his chest muscles. Just a bit over the top there. Smooth that out and you've got something.

The action was excellent. That final fight ranks up there with the subway fight in Spider-Man 2. They were very inventive with it. That's the one category that beats the Iron Man movies.

Interesting to see the Super Soldier stuff now that I know more about the Cap movie. Couldn't help imagining Steve Rogers during the first fight when Blonsky was leaping around the Hulk. That's going to look awesome in the Cap movie.

I'm glad I watched it again. It's a huge improvement from the first Hulk movie and we can reasonable assume it will get even better in the future.

[Silver Knight]

Will Betty be in this, if so who will play her?