The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This is basically the thread were Hulk fans like myself (to be honest, he is the only reason I am looking forward to this movie) can come to discuss, debate, and talk about Hulk's role in the upcoming Avengers movie.

It is here to people can discuss anything regarding the Hulk character and what his role will be or what you want it to be. So go ahead Hulk fans, and discuss.

[Aztec]

I think Hulk rampaging should be the original reason the Avengers take action. They have to stop him and bring him in. This should be what makes them heroes. Then a real threat should emerge and The Avengers, Hulk included, have to stop that threat.

[Chewy]

They need to do everything they possibly can to get Norton back.

If they can't get Norton back, DON'T recast - use an all-CG Hulk. But have him talk more, give him a personality... basically, make him a character.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think Hulk rampaging should be the original reason the Avengers take action. They have to stop him and bring him in. This should be what makes them heroes. Then a real threat should emerge and The Avengers, Hulk included, have to stop that threat.

That seems logical, the Hulk starting out as a sort of villain, with The Avengers having to capture, but then at the end he is the big hero and is the only one who can stop the bad guy by pummelling him real good. This is what I hope Hulk role goes like in the movies.

They need to do everything they possibly can to get Norton back.

If they can't get Norton back, DON'T recast - use an all-CG Hulk. But have him talk more, give him a personality... basically, make him a character.


Agreed, hope to God Norton comes back, and that they give him a little more to do than they did in TIH.

[dcHulk]

This is basically the thread were Hulk fans like myself (to be honest, he is the only reason I am looking forward to this movie) can come to discuss, debate, and talk about Hulk's role in the upcoming Avengers movie.

It is here to people can discuss anything regarding the Hulk character and what his role will be or what you want it to be. So go ahead Hulk fans, and discuss.

Thanks for creating this thread. I'm right there with you about Hulk being the main reason I'm looking forward to the Avengers. I hope Marvel doesn't pull a fast one on us and not include him.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thanks for creating this thread. I'm right there with you about Hulk being the main reason I'm looking forward to the Avengers. I hope Marvel doesn't pull a fast one on us and not include him.

Agreed, and hopefully, this thread can become a sort of new home for us now the Hulk forum is gone.

[Chewy]

RIP Hulk forums :(


The biggest question in my mind, beyond Norton's return/non-return, is who is going to handle the CG. ILM handled IM's CG whereas Rhythm&Hues handled TIH's CG. Are they going to separate the work out to the different companies? Or just have ILM do everything?

I hope there is some consistency in Hulk's design.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

RIP Hulk forums :(


The biggest question in my mind, beyond Norton's return/non-return, is who is going to handle the CG. ILM handled IM's CG whereas Rhythm&Hues handled TIH's CG. Are they going to separate the work out to the different companies? Or just have ILM do everything?

I hope there is some consistency in Hulk's design.

I see no issue with multiple special effects houses handling it, multiple ones have worked on the likes of the Narnia movies, FF2 and X3 (the latter 2 to not that great effect I will admit), so I see no issue in employing them all to do different jobs.

[Blackman]

Hulk keeps getting underappreciated Marvel expected it to do well as IM
but how could it when it was so under advertised

TIH was a great film and Norton should return for Avengers and Hulk Sequels

[Donnie Darko]

well, not that it's the only way to use him, but I feel like the best way to use the Hulk in this movie has already been done in both TIH and the Ultimates comic. There is a huge threat tearing a city apart (in this case, it would be one that is overpowering the other Avengers), and Bruce Banner gets them to drop him out of a helicopter into the middle of the action, turning in to the Hulk in the process, landing and saving the day.

[marcvader]

The Avengers as a team save the day after all this is an Avengers movie and not a Hulk movie. The last thing I want to see is Marvel pull what Fox did with Wolverine.

[Daredevil_2003]

I like the Ultimates route where the Hulk is a sorta-villain that the team has to stop. The epic possibilities as an action set-piece early/midway into the film alone is enough reason as to why they should do it that way.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

well, not that it's the only way to use him, but I feel like the best way to use the Hulk in this movie has already been done in both TIH and the Ultimates comic. There is a huge threat tearing a city apart (in this case, it would be one that is overpowering the other Avengers), and Bruce Banner gets them to drop him out of a helicopter into the middle of the action, turning in to the Hulk in the process, landing and saving the day.

Thats true, but again, it would be an awesome way for it to happen. I want the Hulk to be the ultimate hero in this movie who stops the villain in his tracks. I doubt this movie will have much times to delve into the characters, so Hulk's role will simply be as a brute, but with brute force I hope he stops the villain dead.

This will hopefully make him more popular and give Marvel the confidence to go ahead with a TIH sequel.

[FaT_tONle]

They need to do everything they possibly can to get Norton back.

If they can't get Norton back, DON'T recast - use an all-CG Hulk. But have him talk more, give him a personality... basically, make him a character.

Embrace for the worst... I am already looking at possible replacements. As I have said all along... it's not worth paying Norton a large sum of money for a supporting role if they can't negotiate an additional sequel as well. I think Hulk should be one of the main characters... but so should Cap, Thor, and Pym. I don't see Norton coming back in that type of role though. Then again I thought Sony would dump Tobey Maguire and that doesn't appear to be the case... although he ain't appearing in an Avengers type flick and is being paid a heck of a lot more.

[Chewy]

I'm already thinking that we'll end up with an all-CG Hulk. Getting Norton back would be awesome, though.

[Sarg92]

They do need Norton back for definite! But I fear there would be a clash of power and egos. Norton vs Downey Jr, and the pair vs Marvel!

But Hulk needs to be in The Avengers. He should be the reason the Avengers assemble. Their first mission SHIELD set for them. Then a bigger thread emerges like Loki (what threat is bigger than a god?!) and Hulk and others need to work together to take him out!

[CaptainStacy]

I think Hulk rampaging should be the original reason the Avengers take action. They have to stop him and bring him in. This should be what makes them heroes. Then a real threat should emerge and The Avengers, Hulk included, have to stop that threat.

Yes, but the rampage should be caused by Loki, to instigate a fight between Hulk and Thor.

[CaptainStacy]

Thanks for creating this thread. I'm right there with you about Hulk being the main reason I'm looking forward to the Avengers. I hope Marvel doesn't pull a fast one on us and not include him.

Agreed. I'm LIVING for the moment when Hulk punches the smug arrogance right OUT of Iron Man, lol. :woot:


:bh:

[PumpkinBombxXx]

I think Hulk rampaging should be the original reason the Avengers take action. They have to stop him and bring him in. This should be what makes them heroes. Then a real threat should emerge and The Avengers, Hulk included, have to stop that threat.
I agree, if they dont want to make a hulk Sequel they could use the leader who could puppetmaster the whole thing like loki did. You guys know that scene in Ultimate Avengers when IronMan uses his uni-beam to launch hulk into the air just so Giant man can slam him to the ground. That would be so awsome in Live action

[Kirmit]

Like others have said I think Hulk should be the villain of sorts to start with, not really a villain though, just misunderstood. In the final battle the avengers should be in trouble, about to be wiped out when hulk leaps in starts kicking butt. Ofcourse we can't have hulk lone save the day (as much as I'd love it), too many fans would complain, just have the hulk help give the avengers the edge in the battle and end it with them inviting him to join them permenantly, to which he'll reply he just wants to be left alone and leaps off into the distance.

[marcvader]

Very remeniscent of classic Avengers.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Like others have said I think Hulk should be the villain of sorts to start with, not really a villain though, just misunderstood. In the final battle the avengers should be in trouble, about to be wiped out when hulk leaps in starts kicking butt. Ofcourse we can't have hulk lone save the day (as much as I'd love it), too many fans would complain, just have the hulk help give the avengers the edge in the battle and end it with them inviting him to join them permenantly, to which he'll reply he just wants to be left alone and leaps off into the distance.

I personally hope Hulk does save the day single-handidly, as he is the only reason I am looking forward to seeing this movie. Iron Man will have hiw own movies I can see him in as well as Avengers, but for Hulk, Avengers is our next and possibly last chance of seeing him.

[Daredevil_2003]

I highly doubt it will be the last...

[[A]]

from the very first issue of the Avengers..

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8089/avengers00103a.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7889/avengers00103b.jpg

[Kirmit]

I personally hope Hulk does save the day single-handidly, as he is the only reason I am looking forward to seeing this movie. Iron Man will have hiw own movies I can see him in as well as Avengers, but for Hulk, Avengers is our next and possibly last chance of seeing him.

I would love it too if he single handedly saved the day, him being my favourite hero but I don't see them doing it.

[LastSunrise1981]

They need to get Norton back for sure. He needs to come back as it won't mess with continuity and he was the perfect Banner in my opinion.

[irapogi]

I personally hope Hulk does save the day single-handidly, as he is the only reason I am looking forward to seeing this movie. Iron Man will have hiw own movies I can see him in as well as Avengers, but for Hulk, Avengers is our next and possibly last chance of seeing him.


if not singlehandedly, at LEAST 80-ish% , cos it's not fair. we won't see him again, hehe :bh:

[Ahura Mazda]

I like the idea that he is misunderstood and then end up teaming with the Avengers to put the main villain down.

I just hope they do not go the Ultimate root.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I like the idea that he is misunderstood and then end up teaming with the Avengers to put the main villain down.

I just hope they do not go the Ultimate root.

It will be the same Hulk as the one in TIH, who was slightly Ultimate-ish himself, killing soldiers and all.

[Hypestyle]

they should bring back Norton as Hulk.. just don't lowball him on the money, as has apparently happened with other actors..

[Sawyer]

Norton has to come back. I'm one of the few that actual liked TIH better than IM. I'd love to see Norton as Banner once again.

[Aztec]

;16612474']from the very first issue of the Avengers..

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8089/avengers00103a.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7889/avengers00103b.jpg


Wow that is some dreadful writing. Graphic novels sure have come a long way (except for Loeb's stuff).

[Gamma Goliath]

It will be the same Hulk as the one in TIH, who was slightly Ultimate-ish himself, killing soldiers and all.
he didnt kill any soldiers, if you watch the fight scenes (mainly at the campus) the soldiers jumped or were flung out the vehichles he destroyed.

and as for hulks status in the avengers, i'd have him be (somewhat) under control by banner, and doing something heroic (i dont know what, maybe saving a derailed train and end up gettining framed, saying he derailed it ? ) and the US army and the avengers end up capturing him.
later hulk reveals his intelligence level by speaking in complete sentences, explaining theories to the other scientist, and is offered a spot on the team (or lead scientist).
later, the main battle occurs and fury doesn't trust banner-hulk enough to stay under control and doesn't let him fight. the avengers end up getting thier butts handed to them and fury and banner realize that the intelligent hulk is needed.
so banner is unleashed aiding the avengers giving a big helping hand. not leaving the team in the first movie but at the end of the second.

what do ya think ?

[Spider-Vader]

I want more Hulk as a hero.
Norton must return, maybe Marvel can promise him control over a TIH sequel.

[kedrell]

If Favs directs the Avengers you can bet Hulk will be in it. Fav's has said he was more of a Hulk fan than he was even an Iron Man fan when he has a kid back in the 70's.

Also the idea that there will be no more Hulk movie ever seems ridiculous. He's too big an icon. Sure they might wait a decade or so to give breathing room, but he'll have more movies I'm sure.

[kedrell]

Wow that is some dreadful writing. Graphic novels sure have come a long way (except for Loeb's stuff).

Heh, what do you expect? It's from a time when comics were strictly for kids alone. I guess Loeb is still stuck back there.:cwink:

[CaptainStacy]

Wow that is some dreadful writing. Graphic novels sure have come a long way (except for Loeb's stuff).

What's dreadful about it? It seems pretty consistent with other stuff from that era. :huh:

[strikezone89]

I pray that Norton comes back.... He nailed Bruce Banner in TIH..... plus I'm a firm believer that TIN was my fav. comic book movie of 2008.... YES I LIKED IT BETTER THAN TDK

[batsone]

;16612474']from the very first issue of the Avengers..

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8089/avengers00103a.jpg

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7889/avengers00103b.jpg
if only that wheren't soooo ggggaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy:bh:

[marcvader]

Yes, Those were simpler times.

[CaptainStacy]

if only that wheren't soooo ggggaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy:bh:

Yet, not NEARLY as "gay" as a grown man hanging out in a cave with young boys in shortpants, hmmm? :yay:

[terry78]

Basically have them attempt to locate him for supposed "containment" via Thunderbolt, Fury and Stark, have a good 4-5 minute battle ensue, then have something happen, like a civilain in danger that Hulk rescues or someone actually realizing that he's just acting defensively, then the rest of the team discovers he's not really a monster, and then just have him come on board in some fashion. But during the course of the flick Hulk never fully trusts them and vice versa until the end when they end up saving each other's asses.

[Hectorminator]

I love Hulk and all...

But I HAVE to have a scene with Bruce Banner getting made fun of by Tony Stark, Nick Fury, and Hank and Janet Pym. Bruce is a geek, and even though he's a genius, a guy like Stark is cooler than him and would totally make fun of him in some cocky way.

Bruce is an outcast, even when he's in a S.H.I.E.L.D. war room with guys like Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Fury, etc. Even though he's brilliant and part of the superhero "universe" that Stark makes mention to, Banner's gonna have a tough time being herd. And I LOVE that about Bruce Banner/Hulk.

Just give me 80% Banner, 20% Hulk and I'll be good. It's all about Edward Norton.

[Jerkofwonder]

Edward Norton was a perfect Banner. He's really good at the scrawny awkward smart guy. Much better than muscular handsome Eric Bana, why would anyone cast him for Bruce Banner? The guy could play Hercules. I will be very disapointed if Norton is not in The Avengers.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Agreed. I'm LIVING for the moment when Hulk punches the smug arrogance right OUT of Iron Man, lol. :woot:


:bh: Oh hell yeah, that would rock! :up:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Also, I know it was in the deleted scenes of TIH (it would probably be different this time around), but I'm pretty sure we'll see Captain America frozen in ice like in Avenger's issue #4. :up:

[FrostBite]

I love how Banner/Hulk were portrayed in the Ultimate Avengers movies. (I don't mention the comics because I don't want a rapist cannibal Hulk.)

Seeing how the events of TIH played out, I'd loved to see Banner trying to be captured by the Avengers (hence Tony helping out with the little "problem") and detaining and drugging Banner so he can no longer Hulk out. Making him, essentially a servant to S.H.I.E.L.D. I'd love for him to be treated almost inhuman as if it's his own fault for becoming the jolly green giant.

Cap gets into the picture, Banner is ordered to replicate his super soldier formula from his blood. Starts test procedures, but can no longer think clearly. Tries to control the Hulk completely (as we already see he has influence by the end of the first film) by using Cap's blood. Ends up working (for an amount of time) before he freaks on the main enemy and the Avengers eventually have to stop him.

Basically, I just want to see him as the misunderstood monster he is. I want the other Avengers to essentially ostracize Banner and leave him out in the cold treating him like he is the creature. I do not want him standing heroically next to other other Avengers classic hero-style with happy ending intact.

On the other hand, I don't want a crazy Banner looking for vengeance or anything, just one trying to get the heck away.

If you can't get Norton back, recast. The ideas floating around of "Hulk for the entire movie" are just... sorry, lame. I don't want to see a 9ft tall CG monster the entire film. Give me a human we can relate with and keep the beast as an expression (and the reason) of that person's turmoil, not the entire character itself.

[The Manly Torch]

You know, FrostBite, I would not be surprised if the movie was similar than this. I do not doubt that whoever directs this movie will do right by the storyline and the characters. Surely, the people involved realize that it is important that this movie not be a half-baked flop.

[Rock Sexton]

Norton has to come back. I'm one of the few that actual liked TIH better than IM. I'd love to see Norton as Banner once again.

I'm with you. While both movies were awesome, I like Hulk a little bit more. It was less cheap laughs and visually more pleasing to me.

With that being said, they better do something with the Hulk character. I don't see why they wouldn't. I mentioned something on another board that it would be awesome to have the Hulk as the "one that got away" from Stark in IM2. Have him escape early on in the film, with a reference towards the end of the film about some carnage he's caused. Then when The Avengers come out, have the team work to capture him in order to use him for the purposes of good.

As much as I love Norton as the character, they could keep it as simple as just CGI Hulk if they really wanted to, especially if the cameo was limited.

[Drakon]

I think Hulk rampaging should be the original reason the Avengers take action. They have to stop him and bring him in. This should be what makes them heroes. Then a real threat should emerge and The Avengers, Hulk included, have to stop that threat.

That'd be nice.

[terry78]

As in the comics, should it be apparent to the audience that the Hulk is rampaging for a somewhat valid reason, or should we be just as in the dark as the Avengers are until they finally discover the real reason?

[Drakon]

That's a good question, because on one hand, validation would help us relate to him more, and being in the dark would somewhat villianize him, which could hurt his chances at another solo movie. On the other, keeping everyone in the dark, would be suspenseful, and fewer people would be tempted to leave the seat.

[Ahura Mazda]

He has to be shown to be heroic in the end. The ending of TIH shows Savage finally coming to the fore and being more a force for good as he can now be directed.

[FrostBite]

Let us not forget though, this is an uncontrollable beast. Just because Banner has gotten some control over the beast I don't want to see a completely heroic Hulk. I want to see Banner struggling to hold onto his influence, and in the end Hulk not being exactly one of the good guys.

Don't get me wrong, I want him to be heroic, I want him to stand up for what is right and take down the bad guys. I do not want a villainous Hulk. But I do however want an outcast, a character the others won't exactly trust, and one that they may not be able to control.

I just don't want him striking a heroic pose and high-fiving Captain America. I want to see a Hulk that when Banner loses his influence (as he should at some point) in the heat of battle he becomes a force that not just the enemies fear, but also his teammates.

Let's not forget, Hulk almost overcame Banner's influence to kill Abomination, if it were not for Betty's interference he would have probably strangled him too death. Banner needs to be the good guy, Hulk needs to be the beast he tries to harness--if we eliminate that by giving Banner too much control then his inner struggle is obsolete, and we no longer care about him... he'd just be a big strong guy.

[Daredevil_2003]

I like that...I say have him be the lynchpin in the Avengers beating out the main baddie, but have Banner lose control and the team has to stop Hulk from destroying everything. It's like the ending to the Ultimate Avengers movie. Say what you want about the rest, but that end battle was awesome.

[FrostBite]

I like that...I say have him be the lynchpin in the Avengers beating out the main baddie, but have Banner lose control and the team has to stop Hulk from destroying everything. It's like the ending to the Ultimate Avengers movie. Say what you want about the rest, but that end battle was awesome.

I love that movie (and it's sequel) actually. The end Battle was fantastic, a Hulk fan's wet dream as he stole the mother freakin' show. :word:

I am afraid with many of the other characters probably going to have more successful movies due to (most likely) much better marketing and not having Iron Man 2 to compete with... that Hulk's going to get over looked in this movie. I am very afraid he'll just be turned into "the guy who smashes things occasionally" or "the guy they stop to join forces" instead of showing a real relationship with Banner and the others.

It's going to be a very hard balancing act, but my guess is Stark or Rogers are going to end up becoming the "focus" much like Wolverine in the X-men movies and our beloved Hulk is going to be nothing more than Storm (yeah, not even getting a Cyclops treatment :csad:.)

[marcvader]

I don't want anyone stealing any show. I'd hate it if this became x-men like. This better be a team effort with no one getting wolverine treatment. This movie should be different in that everyone gets equal glory as this is a team movie and not a solo movie with a bunch of supporting heroes. This is the Avengers not the X-men. Thank god FOX isn't making this.

[strikezone89]

Let us not forget though, this is an uncontrollable beast. Just because Banner has gotten some control over the beast I don't want to see a completely heroic Hulk. I want to see Banner struggling to hold onto his influence, and in the end Hulk not being exactly one of the good guys.

Don't get me wrong, I want him to be heroic, I want him to stand up for what is right and take down the bad guys. I do not want a villainous Hulk. But I do however want an outcast, a character the others won't exactly trust, and one that they may not be able to control.

I just don't want him striking a heroic pose and high-fiving Captain America. I want to see a Hulk that when Banner loses his influence (as he should at some point) in the heat of battle he becomes a force that not just the enemies fear, but also his teammates.

Let's not forget, Hulk almost overcame Banner's influence to kill Abomination, if it were not for Betty's interference he would have probably strangled him too death. Banner needs to be the good guy, Hulk needs to be the beast he tries to harness--if we eliminate that by giving Banner too much control then his inner struggle is obsolete, and we no longer care about him... he'd just be a big strong guy.
I havent watched the movie for a while but didnt he crush abominations chest with his foot after betty told him to stop strangling him?

[FrostBite]

I havent watched the movie for a while but didnt he crush abominations chest with his foot after betty told him to stop strangling him?

Pretty much, the big guy stomps on his chest, looks up to the air and roars... total "strongest one there is" moment right there. Then looks at Ross, kicks the body over to him, and gives him that "look at what you did" look.

[Changeling]

Yet, not NEARLY as "gay" as a grown man hanging out in a cave with young boys in shortpants, hmmm? :yay:

Come on, man. You gotta be kiding me. Can you tell me how much the Dark Knight made? And how much did TIH make? Well we can obviously see that :brucebat: comes out on top, but Bats seems much more popular with moviegoers/comic fans.

Hulk is awesome though, and definitely not "ggggggggaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy" as another poster said, but no one trumps Bats.

[FrostBite]

Come on, man. You gotta be kiding me. Can you tell me how much the Dark Knight made? And how much did TIH make? Well we can obviously see that :brucebat: comes out on top, but Bats seems much more popular with moviegoers/comic fans.

Hulk is awesome though, and definitely not "ggggggggaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy" as another poster said, but no one trumps Bats.

A lot of characters trump Bats in my opinion, but Bats is definitely more universal.

Still, I think it was just a joke :oldrazz:.

[Drakon]

Batman has also been in the non-comic light for many years before Hulk.

[Gamma Goliath]

even before hulk had his show.

[co2]

Marvel seems to be trying to please the fans as of late. If the Superhero Hype boards are any indication, if A) Hulk isn't showcased well in Avengers and B) Norton isn't in the role, there will be some very disapointed fans.
They had better do right by Hulk on this one.

IronMan has been established as very cool, Thor will be fun, and sure, I can't wait for Cap...but having Hulk in action against some mammoth threat is what I'm aching to see in this movie. I have a feeling that Cap is going to be the star of this movie....but Hulk is going to steal the show.

[Judson Caspian]

Marvel expected it to do well as IM
but how could it when it was so under advertised
Yes. It's their own fault it did poorly at the box office.

[weezerspider]

If Norton is not in it, Banner should be HULKED-OUT the entire film. There are other characters in The Avengers to tell the story, theres no need for Banner.

[FrostBite]

If Norton is not in it, Banner should be HULKED-OUT the entire film. There are other characters in The Avengers to tell the story, theres no need for Banner.

It's no offense to you as we are all allowed to think what we want and I am not specifically calling you out--but I still think this is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

This would mean either:

A) Hulk is barely in it except for to smash crap. (Yay. :whatever:)

or

B) We get a walking talking Hulk running around completely controlled by Banner and completely killing any little conflict for his character. That's it. Hulk/Banner is essentially God at this point. He can control it, he can't be stopped, bad guys lose. (Yippee.)

and most definitely

C) You are asking us to stare at just a computer generated character for the entire movie. As if Hulk in both '03 and '08 didn't have consistency issues in the first place. (As did Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen.)

No... just no. Recast the guy if you can't get him, but to throw out the character, the heart and soul of the Hulk/Banner relationship by completely eliminating Banner from the mix is just a terrible idea to me.

This movie needs to be a story about all of the Avengers and their interactions with each other... not "Lolz, let's throw a bunch of heroes in there just for the fun of it!" Hulk needs a reason to be there, he needs a conflict (or to cause one), he needs a purpose. As someone else said, don't let this become an X-men with one or two stars and the others just being extended cameos.

[Obi-Ron]

Basically have them attempt to locate him for supposed "containment" via Thunderbolt, Fury and Stark, have a good 4-5 minute battle ensue, then have something happen, like a civilain in danger that Hulk rescues or someone actually realizing that he's just acting defensively, then the rest of the team discovers he's not really a monster, and then just have him come on board in some fashion. But during the course of the flick Hulk never fully trusts them and vice versa until the end when they end up saving each other's asses.

Make it Rick Jones and we're golden. He can befriend Cap like in the old days, or start up a modern (internet?) version of the Teen Brigade.

[Ahura Mazda]

Is Rick Jones still available to Marvel or have they not recuperated the movie rights to the character yet?

[Obi-Ron]

"Recuperated" from what exactly? The only movie property I ever heard of him being attached to was Captain America (years ago), that would clearly be a moot point now.

[Ahura Mazda]

I was not sure but i had thought they had sold him on some Captain Marvel deal to one studio or another. If he still belongs to Marvel then it would be great for him to make an appearance even though I could live with him not being there.

[CaptainStacy]

Come on, man. You gotta be kiding me. Can you tell me how much the Dark Knight made? And how much did TIH make? Well we can obviously see that :brucebat: comes out on top, but Bats seems much more popular with moviegoers/comic fans.

Hulk is awesome though, and definitely not "ggggggggaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy" as another poster said, but no one trumps Bats.

What does any of that have to do with my statement? I find it somewhat ironic that a fan of Batman has the nerve to refer to any other character as "gay" when the character of Batman has been investigated several times in the past as promoting homosexuality. I personally could care less one way or another, but it just humors me when i see stuff like that from an obvious Bat-fan. You need to bone up on your Bat-history. Why don't you look into the reasons why Batwoman and Batgirl were added to the supporting cast, or why Alfred was replaced with Aunt Harriet, and THEN come see me, m'kay? :whatever:

[Voorhees]

I find the Hulk to be just as good a character as Batman, and even though TDK is better than TIH, just because it made more money isn't the reason why it's better. People tend to confuse money with quality. If a movie makes a bunch of money it's instantly good, or if it somewhat flops or doesn't make a tremendous amount it's a crappy movie.

As far as the Hulk being in the Avengers movie is concerned, I'd like him to have a huge role, but not be too involved so that it's nearly like it's his movie and not everyone's.

[Rock Sexton]

It's no offense to you as we are all allowed to think what we want and I am not specifically calling you out--but I still think this is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

This would mean either:

A) Hulk is barely in it except for to smash crap. (Yay. :whatever:)

or

B) We get a walking talking Hulk running around completely controlled by Banner and completely killing any little conflict for his character. That's it. Hulk/Banner is essentially God at this point. He can control it, he can't be stopped, bad guys lose. (Yippee.)

and most definitely

C) You are asking us to stare at just a computer generated character for the entire movie. As if Hulk in both '03 and '08 didn't have consistency issues in the first place. (As did Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen.)

No... just no. Recast the guy if you can't get him, but to throw out the character, the heart and soul of the Hulk/Banner relationship by completely eliminating Banner from the mix is just a terrible idea to me.

This movie needs to be a story about all of the Avengers and their interactions with each other... not "Lolz, let's throw a bunch of heroes in there just for the fun of it!" Hulk needs a reason to be there, he needs a conflict (or to cause one), he needs a purpose. As someone else said, don't let this become an X-men with one or two stars and the others just being extended cameos.

Ehhhhhhhhh not exactly.

Nobody is saying have him hulked out the entire film. He could be placed very strategically.....but obviously that would mean a limited capacity role. In a film with as many heroes as they have, I don't really even think it's that big of an issue if he doesn't have a big role.....just enough to incorporate him.

[Voorhees]

He doesn't have to have a huge role, just something to do. I'd love it if he were Hulked out the entire time, but if he's not, no big deal.

[FrostBite]

Ehhhhhhhhh not exactly.

Nobody is saying have him hulked out the entire film. He could be placed very strategically.....but obviously that would mean a limited capacity role. In a film with as many heroes as they have, I don't really even think it's that big of an issue if he doesn't have a big role.....just enough to incorporate him.

Then... yes, that is exactly what I said in "A". He's in it just to smash crap then. He's become an extended cameo. He's a nod. He's splashed in. He'd be the hint of mint in a cup of hot co-co. I don't want that.
Even if it's "smart Hulk" it'd just be him going "Sup guys? Watch me punch stuff!" -smashes- "Laterz!"

If he's "strategically" placed with a limited role, I say don't do it. If you are going to give him or anyone else nothing more than a bit part, leave him them the **** out. This is an Avengers film, as such, each Avenger should be highlighted and move the plot along. This should be about their interactions with each other.

If they can't do that balancing act, then I say cut down on the number of Avengers. There are too many fans for each of these characters for anyone to end up with too a limited role... strategically placed or not.

[Hectorminator]

^ Yep.

Bruce Banner needs to be the Andy Garcia, or even the Julia Roberts, of the Avengers movie. In the top four or five characters with the most screen time. Not the Casey Affleck. That's Ant-Man and Wasps' jobs. At least for the first movie.

Because we all know the Hulk doesn't last on the Avengers roster for very long.

And it's Edward Norton for cryin' out loud!

[Voorhees]

If Ed Norton is returning, I'd really be anxious to see more Banner.

[Anubis Raptor]

This is basically the thread were Hulk fans like myself (to be honest, he is the only reason I am looking forward to this movie) can come to discuss, debate, and talk about Hulk's role in the upcoming Avengers movie.

It is here to people can discuss anything regarding the Hulk character and what his role will be or what you want it to be. So go ahead Hulk fans, and discuss.

I agree with you AVEIT. Hulk and a few of the other Avengers are the only reason I'm so desperately looking forward to this film.

[Voorhees]

Hulk, Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man are the only reasons I'm looking forward to this. This film could end up extremely well done, I hope they don't drop the ball.

[Ahura Mazda]

I agree with Vorhees. I will however caveat my anticipation until I see the IM2, CapAmer and Thor movies first.

[Obi-Ron]

I have to admit it will be nice to see the REAL "Big 3" Avengers together again - not this "Bucky America" nonsense. Hopefully Cap comes back in the comics in time for his movie. The Wasp too.

[Ahura Mazda]

Isn't he supposed to be back in 2010?

[[A]]

I say.. if the Hulk is back, he won't be having the final scene/battle. Iron Man will (and/or Captain America and/or Thor, depending on how they do in the BO)

[Obi-Ron]

I'm guessing Cap will be the main focus, like Wolvie in the X movies. But yeah, it all depends on who's most popular.

[[A]]

I don't see RDJ giving away one bit of a leading role

[irapogi]

ironman and cap will be leads

ala clooney pitt oceans

i think.

[Spider-Vader]

I definitely think Tony & Steve will be the two main characters.

[Chewy]

Cap is going to be the lead

Stark will be the Bert to Cap's Ernie

Thor will be their Rubber Duckie

[FrostBite]

Cap is going to be the lead

Stark will be the Bert to Cap's Ernie

Thor will be their Rubber Duckie

...Cap is far more Bert. :o And the Pym's will be his paperclip collection. :oldrazz:

[weezerspider]

It's no offense to you as we are all allowed to think what we want and I am not specifically calling you out--but I still think this is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

This would mean either:

A) Hulk is barely in it except for to smash crap. (Yay. :whatever:)

or

B) We get a walking talking Hulk running around completely controlled by Banner and completely killing any little conflict for his character. That's it. Hulk/Banner is essentially God at this point. He can control it, he can't be stopped, bad guys lose. (Yippee.)

and most definitely

C) You are asking us to stare at just a computer generated character for the entire movie. As if Hulk in both '03 and '08 didn't have consistency issues in the first place. (As did Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen.)

No... just no. Recast the guy if you can't get him, but to throw out the character, the heart and soul of the Hulk/Banner relationship by completely eliminating Banner from the mix is just a terrible idea to me.

This movie needs to be a story about all of the Avengers and their interactions with each other... not "Lolz, let's throw a bunch of heroes in there just for the fun of it!" Hulk needs a reason to be there, he needs a conflict (or to cause one), he needs a purpose. As someone else said, don't let this become an X-men with one or two stars and the others just being extended cameos.

No Offense taken and you bring up some good points, but honestly, I believe Hulk could be a HULK SMASH Character in Avengers and thats it and he will play his part.

[[A]]

I really wanna see a 3-way loud argument between Stark, Banner and Rogers --and then someone leaving the room, pissed, breaking sometihng

[co2]

...Cap is far more Bert. :o And the Pym's will be his paperclip collection. :oldrazz:

haha! That dumb analogy got even funnier.

[Obi-Ron]

I thought Bert had a bottle cap collection?

[Shivsguy616]

Whatever his role, his cgi needs to be much better than TIH's.

[Spider-Vader]

Whatever his role, his cgi needs to be much better than TIH's.

It was better than the CGI in Hulk.

[Shivsguy616]

It was better than the CGI in Hulk.

Not really, just a better design. Anyway, that's besides the point. It basically has to be up to Iron Man standards so that it won't look out of place.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree with you AVEIT. Hulk and a few of the other Avengers are the only reason I'm so desperately looking forward to this film.

Agreed, he will be the only reason I watch it to be honest, so his rle will need to be significant. I want Banner in this as well as Hulk.

It was better than the CGI in Hulk.

Considering Hulk was 5 years earlier, it was no were near better in TIH.

[FrostBite]

Agreed, he will be the only reason I watch it to be honest, so his rle will need to be significant. I want Banner in this as well as Hulk.



I wouldn't expect it to be huge sadly. :csad: Let's not forget Ave... Hulk does tend to get shafted quite a bit when it comes to movies. Whether at the Box Office, the fans, the general publics receptions of his films, or heck, his parent company caring so much about him they signed on Zak Penn to write his movie, and then cut out most of the character development... nice.

Wait... they signed Penn to write Avengers too didn't they?! We need Norton! Rewrite it! Rewriteee!!!!!!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I wouldn't expect it to be huge sadly. :csad: Let's not forget Ave... Hulk does tend to get shafted quite a bit when it comes to movies. Whether at the Box Office, the fans, the general publics receptions of his films, or heck, his parent company caring so much about him they signed on Zak Penn to write his movie, and then cut out most of the character development... nice.

Wait... they signed Penn to write Avengers too didn't they?! We need Norton! Rewrite it! Rewriteee!!!!!!

I know what you mean FB, but surely Hulk is one of the main draws here? I suppose it depends on the success of Captain America and Thor, if both of those movies are more successful than TIH was, I think we are in for dissapointment when it comes to Hulk's role in Avengers.

[Venom'sDad]

Hmmm, I thought his involvement was already confirmed. :confused:

[Doctor Jones]

Here's how I would like it to go down.

They find Banner, he turns into the Hulk soon after but they capture him, they put him in a holding cell. The team doesn't know if they can trust him or if he can control his rage. He doesn't really show how trustworthy he is until the end when he helps them. He can't promise anything though.

I just can't wait to see RBJ and Norton fight with words on screen.

[Aztec]

Here's how I would like it to go down.

They find Banner, he turns into the Hulk soon after but they capture him, they put him in a holding cell. The team doesn't know if they can trust him or if he can control his rage. He doesn't really show how trustworthy he is until the end when he helps them. He can't promise anything though.

I just can't wait to see RBJ and Norton fight with words on screen.


This is a pretty good scenario as well. I too am so pumped to see Downey and Norton on the same screen. This film will be electric!

[Superhero 101]

I think Cap will and should get more Screentime along with Iron Man Hulk And i think Thor will get the least along with Wasp an Ant-man. that is if they are even in the movie.

[Bren]

I'm not a hulk fan as such (I like him, but far from a favourite), but I thought the following might be cool (and hulk fans would like);

Hulk is the initial threat that brings the Avengers together. They realise the truth (he's a misunderstood good guy).
Banner gains some control of the Hulk through dubious help from SHIELD, but Fury doesn't trust him to go on missions.

End of film, the 'main' Avengers are losing big time, and we get Fury chatting to Banner, and goading him to lose it. I would imagine this Norton / Jackson 'psychological war' dialogue could be pretty awesome.

And hulk jumps in and wins the day (and never ever trusts Fury/Shield/Avengers fully again).

I'm a Thor fan, so would love the 'alpha male' battle between them but with neither shown having the upper hand. A nice change would be Iron Man willingly step back from the limelight (a first for him), and Capt. America tactically aim the two bruisers to work together to win.

That would be a win-win for me.

And the Hulk needs to hit Thor just once in the film, and the two show surprise, Hulk that Thor isn't injured. And Thor thinking, ie "damn, that actually hurt"...

[Superhero 101]

I would like to see Cap and Iron Man Butt heads kinda like Logan and Scott Relationship in X-men

[dcHulk]

Hmmm, I thought his involvement was already confirmed. :confused:

It hasn't been "confirmed" per se. Some have talked about it, even Gale Ann Hurd, if I remember correctly. You would think that the Hulk would be in it. It would follow the trend that Marvel is doing right now. So if this trend is real and we can assume (but we know what that does) that these characters will be in Avengers in some capacity, then the Avengers team should be at least composed of Iron Man, Cap, Thor, and Hulk along with Nick Fury.

[Aztec]

It hasn't been "confirmed" per se. Some have talked about it, even Gale Ann Hurd, if I remember correctly. You would think that the Hulk would be in it. It would follow the trend that Marvel is doing right now. So if this trend is real and we can assume (but we know what that does) that these characters will be in Avengers in some capacity, then the Avengers team should be at least composed of Iron Man, Cap, Thor, and Hulk along with Nick Fury.

Kevin Feige, John Favreau, Gale Ann Hurd, and Robert Downey Jr. have all confirmed that Marvel at least intends on having Hulk in The Avengers. I'd say it's a given at this point.

[dcHulk]

Kevin Feige, John Favreau, Gale Ann Hurd, and Robert Downey Jr. have all confirmed that Marvel at least intends on having Hulk in The Avengers. I'd say it's a given at this point.

I hope you are right.

[scatterax]

ryt now my idea for this movie is in the begining, shield send iron man & cap after the hulk. they either capture him, or he escapes. doesn't matter. they realize deep down inside there's a human in there, or maybe that the hulk doesn't really want to heart any1 unless they hurt him 1st. or both, so iron man & cap question whether or not he should really be hunted down, and if he's an enemy because he's dangerous, or because they made him an enemy. (iron man can use hulk buster armor in the fight.)

meanwhile, Dr hank pym is constructing the ultimate robot. maybe going to justin hammer for funding. (@ this point he can already shrink in size.)
but loki turns the machine, ultron, into a monster that wants to destroy all man kind. so he thor is sent to earth to try and stop them both, but is out matched by the combination of of loki's magic, and ultrons power & technology. he eventually realizes he needs the help of earths heroes to beet them.

shield captures hank pym and justin hammer (separately) for questioning. when they realize they aren't to blame, they let hammer go, but keep hank pym to help iron man and thor come devise a way to stop the threat of ultron. and he convinces them to let his girlfriend (the wasp) help the team. but they don't know about loki until thor finds them, and tells them about him, and how he's the reason ultron goes insane.

while the avengers get ready to confront, and attempt to destroy ultron, he and loki make a smal army of robots w/ magical powers that they will use to exterminate man kind.

the avengers track them down and start fighting them b4 they can complete their army, but they unleash the robot soldiers that are ready and begin an all out battle. (by now, hank pym has given himself the power to grow, so that he can be strong enough to fight. and iron man has given the wasp a set of mechanical wings, and some weapons so she can join in the fight.)

the bad guys are starting to gain the upper hand, until captain america contacts nick fury by radio, and convinces him to free the hulk so that he can help them win the fight.

it's revealed that since ultrons armor is indistructible (because it's made from the same material as caps sheild) that the plain to defeat him is for ant man/ hank pym to shrink to become small enough to go inside ultron, and bring w/ him either a bomb or an EMP destroy him from the inside.

the rest of the avengers destroy the robot army (i guess there would only be like 7 that where completed and ready for battle, loki and ultron didn't have enough time to complete they're army), and thor (w/ the help of cap, or some other avenger) defeat loki, and bring him to odin, so he can deside how to punish him. (unless you thor fans have a better way to deal w/ him)

um.. i guess that's pretty much it. it's really just a combination of some rough ideas, but what do u guy's think of that idea for the movie?
and does it need more hulk?

edit, after the last bettle in the movie, the heroes decide to stick together to be like a special mission team. codenamed the avengers. for obvious reasons.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Here's how I would like it to go down.

They find Banner, he turns into the Hulk soon after but they capture him, they put him in a holding cell. The team doesn't know if they can trust him or if he can control his rage. He doesn't really show how trustworthy he is until the end when he helps them. He can't promise anything though.

I just can't wait to see RBJ and Norton fight with words on screen. That awould be awesome! Also, I agree that it's going to be great seeing Norton and Robert DOwney Jr. fight with words. Honestly, I think it's Going to be epic. :up:

[Aztec]

For those of you who are worried, Marvel has confirmed Hulk in The Avengers once again today:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118003917.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

"Successful launch of "Thor" is key for Marvel, considering the character is part of the Avengers (also made up of Iron Man, the Incredible Hulk and Captain America), whom the company wants to team up in a pic planned for 2012."

[scatterax]

For those of you who are worried, Marvel has confirmed Hulk in The Avengers once again today:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118003917.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

"Successful launch of "Thor" is key for Marvel, considering the character is part of the Avengers (also made up of Iron Man, the Incredible Hulk and Captain America), whom the company wants to team up in a pic planned for 2012."

that's good. i just hope they know what their talking about.

[Superhero 101]

Well this is good news but is Norton on board?

[Chewy]

Well this is good news but is Norton on board?
We won't know for a year or two. I'd like to think so

[Khemik@L]

Well this is good news but is Norton on board?
This is my only nail biter right now. I will be extremely disappointed if Norton is not on board. It would just feel like a wasted opportunity. Norton is perfect for Banner

[Wally West]

I guess alot of people were so happy to see Tony Stark's scene at the end of incredible hulk that they missed a very important plot point.

People keep suggesting Hulk will be used as a villian in avengers, that he'll be rampaging through the streets. Didn't you guys catch the plot point about Bruce controling the hulk. The way he handled himself in the battle with Abomination, or even more importantly the scene at the end where he used meditation to spark the transformation.

I can see a hulk vs. avengers fight scene in this continuity at the begining of the film as the result of a mis-understanding. For instance there is a hulk sighting and the team attacks him first without asking questions. Other than that I see this version of the hulk actually being a valued member of the team by the second act.

[Venom'sDad]

Great point Wally; but, I think the premise of Hulk being, not a villian, but a baddie, mostly because Bruce is a fugitive that the team attempts to capture with the help or for General Ross... in turn means having to deal with Hulk.

[Shaolin Kenobi]

My grip on all of the Hulk's mythos is somewhat flawed... but I would like to see a somewhat intellgent iteration of the character. Wasn't the Grey Hulk like that? I keep thinking there was a time period in which Banner had complete control of Hulk. Oh.. and PLEASE... Norton. He is bad arse.

[[A]]

I just can't wait to see RBJ and Norton fight with words on screen.I read I just can't wait to see RBJ and Norton fight with swords on screen :o

[Drakon]

My grip on all of the Hulk's mythos is somewhat flawed... but I would like to see a somewhat intelligent iteration of the character. Wasn't the Grey Hulk like that? I keep thinking there was a time period in which Banner had complete control of Hulk. Oh.. and PLEASE... Norton. He is bad arse.

Yeah, Gray Hulk was smarter. How intelligent are we talking? Coherent sentances? Banner-mind?

[terry78]

Not World War Hulk smart...that's a little TOO calculating. That's like having the intelligence of say, The Thing coupled with the temper of Savage Hulk. And you saw how dangerous that was.

[Sawyer]

Norton as Banner/Hulk needs to be in The Avengers. Period. End of story.

I wouldnt mind seeing Rick Jones either...

[irapogi]

itd be awesome if they somehow had a nod to civil war. like stark and cap talk to each other, then they ask like fury or sumtn "who's side are you on?"

[Spider-Vader]

Hulk should be controlled by Banner in this. Then in the final battle he loses control & starts attacking the Avengers too. Then at the end, Banner leaves to try & gain full control of Hulk. Just my two cents.

[RANDOMmutant]

itd be awesome if they somehow had a nod to civil war. like stark and cap talk to each other, then they ask like fury or sumtn "who's side are you on?"


Yeah, have Stark & Cap arguing , and have Fury come in and say
"Start a war on your own time "

[Sawyer]

Yeah, have Stark & Cap arguing , and have Fury come in and say
"Start a war on your own time "

I can actually hear Samuel L. Jackson saying those words in my head. :up:

[scatterax]

I can actually hear Samuel L. Jackson saying those words in my head. :up:

me too. that would be awesome if it made it into the movie. or something similar.

[Drakon]

I know it'd never ever ever happen, but I did have a thought that made me chuckle. Cap and Shellhead are arguing, and Deadpool is in the back singing "I won't read your Civil War....." like the old G&R song.

[Golgo-13]

It's really sad that a character as iconic as The Hulk, not only looses his own forum here, but is more than likely gonna become a mere second stringer in a movie full of other heroes.

[scatterax]

It's really sad that a character as iconic as The Hulk, not only looses his own forum here, but is more than likely gonna become a mere second stringer in a movie full of other heroes.

it's kinda funny, cuz he used to be way more famous than any of the other avengers. I blame the 2003 hulk for his recent lack of popularity. It's like he completely switched places w/ iron man, as far as marvels most famous icons go.

[topdog1]

Yeah, have Stark & Cap arguing , and have Fury come in and say
"Start a war on your own time "

I LOVE IT! Someone needs to email this line to Marvel studios/Zak Penn stat!

[Dog Logan]

I really want the Hulk to have a big enough role for the Avengers. He doesn't have to be the true center of attention but just have enough to do so that his role isn't deemed pointless. I like the idea presented in this thread about him being the one to save the day when all hope seems lost. They need to get the popularity really flowing for the Hulk. He's known worldwide but he's not going to have much luck with his movies unless they actually attempt to make him a more popular figure in the eyes of the general audience.

[Artistsean]

I want Hulk in the first film,
Iron Man and Hulk already sort of established that SHIELD and the Avengers will go after the Hulk,
Why not introduce the idea used in the 1st Avengers comic
Hulk, manipulated by Loki, against the Avengers.
Hulk and Loki, as well as Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and possibly others, will have already been established, and Hulk is a threat level worthy of the Avengers.
Loki sets up Hulk to look like a giant threat, sets up the Avengers being called, and all that, just to get at Thor.
Then in the end, once its revealed that Hulk is being manipulated, Loki fights them all himself. So Hulk sort of teams up with the Avengers because he is angry at Loki.
:bh:

[shiveringmelody]

When I first heard about the possibility of Hulk going against the group, I loved it. Seems as though most places I go, Hulk is rather underrated. Nice to see that Hulk is pretty much a lock for Avengers. Besides seeing Caps and Iron go at it, seeing Hulk vs Thor or even Hulk vs everyone sounds beautiful.

[protocida]

Looks like they'll go for the classic route: Loki manipulating the Hulk VS. The Avengers. :up:

[Obi-Ron]

I want Hulk in the first film,
Iron Man and Hulk already sort of established that SHIELD and the Avengers will go after the Hulk,
Why not introduce the idea used in the 1st Avengers comic
Hulk, manipulated by Loki, against the Avengers.
Hulk and Loki, as well as Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and possibly others, will have already been established, and Hulk is a threat level worthy of the Avengers.
Loki sets up Hulk to look like a giant threat, sets up the Avengers being called, and all that, just to get at Thor.
Then in the end, once its revealed that Hulk is being manipulated, Loki fights them all himself. So Hulk sort of teams up with the Avengers because he is angry at Loki.
:bh:

Bring in Rick Jones (maybe as an agent aiding Cap's transition to modern life?) as the only one who believes in Hulk's innocence, and we're gold.

[Iron_Stark]

For the people that want Hulk vs the Avengers through out the movie, what about Edward Norton?

Have him captured by Loki throughout the movie like in Hulk VS? Not have him interact with the team until the very end?

That would be a waste right there.

[Obi-Ron]

I don't think anybody wants a movie that's just one 90-minute fight. :huh:

[Dog Logan]

Agreed. The dumbest thing they can dop is have so much action that there's no story. There has to be a story, not just a giant slugfest.

[protocida]

But we also want action. LOTS of action.

[Artistsean]

Bring in Rick Jones (maybe as an agent aiding Cap's transition to modern life?) as the only one who believes in Hulk's innocence, and we're gold.

That is the GREATEST way to introduce Rick into the films, perfect.
Plus I really want to see a scene between Rick and Jarvis.
Rick could be a sort of easy going SHIELD agent, and Jarvis would be a stuffy butler like computer program. Their interactions could be hilarious.

The Avengers go into action, Rick stays back at the mansion and makes himself a snack. Jarvis comments about how Rick is mooching or something.
They could be the comedy relief.
It would be awesome, instant gold.


As for Hulk and Loki, in the comic Hulk is unaware Loki until the very end, but in the cartoon Loki takes over Hulk and kidnaps Banner,
in the Ultimates comic Loki uses his manipulation powers to make the Avengers think one of their teammates is a traitor.
In a 2 hr movie I can see them using lots of different ways of having Loki manipulate Hulk and the Avengers.

[Obi-Ron]

Screw Zak Penn, we should write this movie!

[protocida]

Yeah!

In fact, lets! I can open an thread about it!

What do you think? :yay:

[Artistsean]

Hulk being in the movie could also open doors for She-Hulk and Doc Samson...

In later sequals She-Hulk can be brought in, being a relative of Bruce who the government was finally able to get the serum to work on, she is as strong (almost) as Hulk but can control herself. She could be put on the Avengers by the Government even.
:bh:



Also Doc Samson could be a psychiatrist brought in to help Bruce at some point, how he got gamma powered? I don't know, could be like a blood transfusion like they did with She-Hulk or Aunt May with Peter. But He could be brought in as well.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I want Hulk in the first film,
Iron Man and Hulk already sort of established that SHIELD and the Avengers will go after the Hulk,
Why not introduce the idea used in the 1st Avengers comic
Hulk, manipulated by Loki, against the Avengers.
Hulk and Loki, as well as Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and possibly others, will have already been established, and Hulk is a threat level worthy of the Avengers.
Loki sets up Hulk to look like a giant threat, sets up the Avengers being called, and all that, just to get at Thor.
Then in the end, once its revealed that Hulk is being manipulated, Loki fights them all himself. So Hulk sort of teams up with the Avengers because he is angry at Loki.
:bh:

I can totally see this being the first Avengers movie, and I would totally approve as it would have Hulk front and centre which I want to see. Norton as Banner could be used as well, have Loki make Banner believe that everyone he sees is Abom/General Ross, and then he changes into the Hulk and fights them.

This would be pure gold for an avengers movie, as we would have Hulk vs everyone in the movie, showcasing some amazing fighting skills, and then have as a hero at the end fighting alongside the Avenger's and helping defeat Loki.

[terry78]

Yeah, that would set it up for their origin, but leave it open at the end so that Hulk is somewhat of a reluctant member, that prefers for them to leave him alone, but subconsciously knows they're his "friends".

[Spider-Vader]

I know it'd never ever ever happen, but I did have a thought that made me chuckle. Cap and Shellhead are arguing, and Deadpool is in the back singing "I won't read your Civil War....." like the old G&R song.
That'd be awesome. Too bad Fox is too stupid to let Marvel crossover with the X-Men, DD & FF franchises.
I can imagine it now:
Cap: Who are you?
DP: I'm an Avenger just like you!
5 Seconds Later...
DP: *Thrown out by IM* YOU CAN'T THROW ME OUT, I'M RYAN REYNOLDS!!! *Mumbling* I'll show them, my movie is gonna be awesome & make a zillion dollars
It's really sad that a character as iconic as The Hulk, not only looses his own forum here, but is more than likely gonna become a mere second stringer in a movie full of other heroes.

If Faverau is directing, I see Hulk having a decent size role. Faverau said he liked Hulk more than Iron Man as a kid.

[Drakon]

Cap: Who are you?
DP: I'm an Avenger just like you!
5 Seconds Later...
DP: *Thrown out by IM* YOU CAN'T THROW ME OUT, I'M RYAN REYNOLDS!!! *Mumbling* I'll show them, my movie is gonna be awesome & make a zillion dollars

I laughed for like a good ten seconds.

[Captainhulk]

I got a strong feeling that the hulk will either be in the Avengers movie or he will not be in the Avengers movie.

[Khemik@L]

Kevin Fiege confirmed that he would be in the Movie

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If Faverau is directing, I see Hulk having a decent size role. Faverau said he liked Hulk more than Iron Man as a kid.

Really? Thats awesome, lets hope Fav's gets the gig then. I really hope Hulk gets a meaty role in this movie.

[Gamma Goliath]

That sounds great^^.
I just bought a blu ray player, and I bought ironman and TIH on blu ray, and I gotta say I was blown out of my seat by the visuals in tih. But if he's in avengers I'd like to see him portrayed at first as a threat but maybe cap or ironman notice that he may of been trying to do something good, so they invite banner on the team, I'd hate to see hulk as the main "villian" I always have hated that, even though he's an anti hero he's still a hero.
If ilm is doing the visuals they have to use the r&h design, and big lou has to reprise his role as the voice of hulk.

[Venom'sDad]

I'm pretty confident that TIH will be in the Avengers.

[Kirmit]

That sounds great^^.
I just bought a blu ray player, and I bought ironman and TIH on blu ray, and I gotta say I was blown out of my seat by the visuals in tih.

I agree with this, in the cinema I thought the visuals were good with a few meh bits, when I got it on bluray I was blown away by how good everything looked.

[Obi-Ron]

maybe cap or ironman notice that he may of been trying to do something good


Good place to introduce Rick. :word:

[dcHulk]

I agree with this, in the cinema I thought the visuals were good with a few meh bits, when I got it on bluray I was blown away by how good everything looked.

I'm glad you guys are seeing both IM and TIH as they were intended. I too was impressed with the visual quality. I just can't believe how superior blue ray is to DVD. I'm always amazed at the clarity of picture and sound. I have not heard a better soundtrack than TIH on blue ray yet.

P.S. The BBC documentary "Planet Earth" is absolutely stunning on Blue Ray!

[Bat-Gasm]

Wow. Blue Ray is really that impressive huh?

[dcHulk]

Wow. Blue Ray is really that impressive huh?

Yes. The technology allows for more data to be stored on a single disk, currently up to 50GB. For comparison, a DVD disk can only hold ~5 to 8.5GB of data. The result is that DVD can only support standard definition video (480p) vs high definition (up to 1080p) for blue ray. Essentially, the video and audio data on a Blue Ray disc is uncompressed which eliminates signal artifacts and provides crisp playback of video and sound.

[Bat-Gasm]

Whoa. That sounds awesome! As the commish would say, "I gotta' get me one of those."

Too bad they are super expensive, for me at least. I hear PS3 are the cheapest they're coming right now?

[dcHulk]

Yeah some would prefer purchasing the PS3 because you get an impressive game system along with a Blue ray player. A blue ray player alone would cost in the neighbored of $250. However, I don't know if the PS3 is backwards compatible with DVD. My blue ray player is, so I don't have to upgrade my DVD collection. Keep in mind that in order to achieve a fully immersible blue ray experience, you will also need an HD receiver and HD tv.

[Bat-Gasm]

$250 is not too bad. For some reason I was thinking near like $600.

I think I might have lucked out. Pretty sure we got an HD tv.

Must investigate further.

[Gamma Goliath]

I bought mine for about 250 but later saw one for 200. I don't need a ps3 cause I already have an xbox 360. But I bought ironman, TIH, Transformers, knowing, and the day the earth stood still on blu ray, the next movie I'll get is probably the spiderman trilogy.

I really hope hulks involvment in avengers would help boost a sequel for 2012.

[Spider-Vader]

Avengers is coming out in 2012, so the earliest will be 2013.

I hope Rick Jones is introduced in Avengers, he's sees the good in Hulk & becomes Hulk's friend.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah some would prefer purchasing the PS3 because you get an impressive game system along with a Blue ray player. A blue ray player alone would cost in the neighbored of $250. However, I don't know if the PS3 is backwards compatible with DVD. My blue ray player is, so I don't have to upgrade my DVD collection. Keep in mind that in order to achieve a fully immersible blue ray experience, you will also need an HD receiver and HD tv.

I have been convinced about buying a blu-ray player for a while now, but need one that plays dvd's are they more expensive?

Avengers is coming out in 2012, so the earliest will be 2013.

I hope Rick Jones is introduced in Avengers, he's sees the good in Hulk & becomes Hulk's friend.

Marvel are due to announce another movie for 2012 soon though, so, TIH2 COULD be 2012, but I think it will be something else they announce personally.

[Drakon]

I thought Blu-Ray played DVD right out of the box?

[terry78]

And if he does play a part, he must refer to Cap as Flag Man, Stark as Robot Man, and Thor as Feather-Head or something. I forgot the names he had for everyone.

[dcHulk]

I have been convinced about buying a blu-ray player for a while now, but need one that plays dvd's are they more expensive?

I bought a Sony BDP-S350, which was $300 at the time. You can get it cheaper now though. It does play DVD, and quite well I might add. I think all blue ray players that are being produced now are backwards compatible with DVD.

Marvel are due to announce another movie for 2012 soon though, so, TIH2 COULD be 2012, but I think it will be something else they announce personally.

Although I hope for TIH2, I agree that it will most likely be something else.

[Gamma Goliath]

I really hope its TIH2.

[Sarg92]

I have been convinced about buying a blu-ray player for a while now, but need one that plays dvd's are they more expensive?

All Blu-Ray players can play DVDs. Some Blu-Ray players have the ability to upscale the DVD footage to HD but it will never be as good as true Blu-Ray HD.

And if he does play a part, he must refer to Cap as Flag Man, Stark as Robot Man, and Thor as Feather-Head or something. I forgot the names he had for everyone.

I don't read comics so I don't know much about the names Hulk has for characters but I would like him to refer Iron Man as Metal Man, Thor as Yellow Hair and Flag Man seems okay for Cap.

I can just see there being some pretty good comedy scenes with Hulk interacting and talking with other Avengers.

Like can you imagine Hulk ordering Iron Man to do something to take out a threat but calls him "Metal Man". Iron Man quickly tries to correct Hulk by saying "it is actually Iron Man" and Hulk just gets angry and roars "Metal Man" to Iron Man. Then Iron Man replies, "Metal Man it is!"

I agree with this, in the cinema I thought the visuals were good with a few meh bits, when I got it on bluray I was blown away by how good everything looked.

I haven't seen TIH in Blu-Ray but I have heard that it is very impressive and that the CGI looks amazing. But surely if the CGI of the film looks so good on Blu-Ray then it should have looked amazing in cinemas. If the CGI is brilliant then it will look brilliant in cinemas, TV, DVD or Blu-Ray. The only differences would be is that Blu-Ray would have more picture detail.

Although I hope for TIH2, I agree that it will most likely be something else.

Thing is, if it is TIH2 then the film will not perform well in 2012 because The Avengers will also be released in that same year. Avengers is Marvel's main goal and top project so it will be marketed like crazy and TIH2 will have poor marketing just like TIH did when Iron Man came out.

So I reckon it will be a small film, nothing big from Marvel apart from The Avengers in 2012.

[Venom'sDad]

Marvel are due to announce another movie for 2012 soon though, so, TIH2 COULD be 2012, but I think it will be something else they announce personally.I know no one wants to hear this, but there is a stronger possibility that film may be the Venom spinoff.... given Stan Lee role is already written.

Just saying.......

[Sarg92]

I know no one wants to hear this, but there is a stronger possibility that film may be the Venom spinoff.... give Stan Lee all ready have his role written.

Just saying.......

But isn't Venom Sony's property?

I am sure Venom isn't a Marvel Studios film.

[Obi-Ron]

Venom shmenom

[Venom'sDad]

But isn't Venom Sony's property?

I am sure Venom isn't a Marvel Studios film.It's a collaboration from what I understand; where as, Marvel will do the film and Sony will distribute it.

[HappyPalooza]

I agree with the consensus that he should be the reason they are brought together, but I think when they catch him, they could have Banner tell them of illusions and hallucinations that caused him to trigger Hulk and do bad ****. Then they'll keep him on the team as head nerd and after they discover it was Loki that tricked Hulk they'll attack, losing at first, but Banner will come in and give them the edge.

The only question of having Loki as the villain is how Thor would need help, assuming he vanquishes him in his solo film.

But yeah, there's what I had. Figured it wouldn't feel like different worlds meeting if Hulk's behavior and Loki were intertwined.

[Gamma Goliath]

It's a collaboration from what I understand; where as, Marvel will do the film and Sony will distribute it.

I think its still with sony dude, the 2012 movie as far as we know is a mystery, we've known about venom for a while now.

[Spider-Vader]

Like can you imagine Hulk ordering Iron Man to do something to take out a threat but calls him "Metal Man". Iron Man quickly tries to correct Hulk by saying "it is actually Iron Man" and Hulk just gets angry and roars "Metal Man" to Iron Man. Then Iron Man replies, "Metal Man it is!"


LOL. That would be awesome.

[Gamma Goliath]

That's near perfection.

[dcHulk]

I haven't seen TIH in Blu-Ray but I have heard that it is very impressive and that the CGI looks amazing. But surely if the CGI of the film looks so good on Blu-Ray then it should have looked amazing in cinemas. If the CGI is brilliant then it will look brilliant in cinemas, TV, DVD or Blu-Ray. The only differences would be is that Blu-Ray would have more picture detail.

Not necessarily, it depends on the technology available at the theater. I saw TIH twice, in two different cinemas. The first time, it was a "traditional" cinema without recent digital upgrades. I say this because I went to another cinema that hoisted a DLP projection system, and the picture was much cleaner. Not only did the Hulk look better, but other scenes looked better in general. For example, in the beginning as the camera pans through the Brazilian faveola, the "traditional" theater presented significant blurring of the picture. In the DLP theater, the blurring was reduced. This has to do with the video refreshing (cycle frequency) rate. However, for the blue ray on an HDTV with 120Hz refreshing rate, this blur is gone. For the Hulk, the details are significantly enhanced making him look more real, at least to me it does.


Thing is, if it is TIH2 then the film will not perform well in 2012 because The Avengers will also be released in that same year. Avengers is Marvel's main goal and top project so it will be marketed like crazy and TIH2 will have poor marketing just like TIH did when Iron Man came out.

So I reckon it will be a small film, nothing big from Marvel apart from The Avengers in 2012.

You make a good point.

[FaT_tONle]

Marvel should make another splash in 2012. Nothing big like an Avengers character, but something that can hold it's own. It shouldn't be the Runaways, or Power Pack, or some project nobody will care about. It should be a major comic book character(s). I am thinking Black Panther, Dr. Strange, or Heroes for Hire. A SHIELD movie won't be ready because most of the characters to be featured will almost certainly have some kind of role in Avengers, making it impossible to schedule in the same year. Also, if they want to work with property currently owned by another studio they should do that as well, so FF3, DD, DP, SS, Venom are options, but they are really last resorts and something I would least consider.

[Kirmit]

I haven't seen TIH in Blu-Ray but I have heard that it is very impressive and that the CGI looks amazing. But surely if the CGI of the film looks so good on Blu-Ray then it should have looked amazing in cinemas. If the CGI is brilliant then it will look brilliant in cinemas, TV, DVD or Blu-Ray. The only differences would be is that Blu-Ray would have more picture detail.

All I can say is check out the bluray for yourself, you'll see there is a noticable differnce.

[Sarg92]

Not necessarily, it depends on the technology available at the theater. I saw TIH twice, in two different cinemas. The first time, it was a "traditional" cinema without recent digital upgrades. I say this because I went to another cinema that hoisted a DLP projection system, and the picture was much cleaner. Not only did the Hulk look better, but other scenes looked better in general. For example, in the beginning as the camera pans through the Brazilian faveola, the "traditional" theater presented significant blurring of the picture. In the DLP theater, the blurring was reduced. This has to do with the video refreshing (cycle frequency) rate. However, for the blue ray on an HDTV with 120Hz refreshing rate, this blur is gone. For the Hulk, the details are significantly enhanced making him look more real, at least to me it does.

All I can say is check out the bluray for yourself, you'll see there is a noticable differnce.

I agree with you both that Hulk will obviously look better on Blu-Ray. I know there is a big difference in picture quality between Blu-Ray and DVD. But the point I am trying to get across is that if the CGI by R&H of Hulk is so good then it shouldn't matter what format you watch the film on. Hulk should appear real.

An example is, Peter Jackson's King Kong or Transformers. The CGI characters look impressive and real in cinemas, TV, DVD and Blu-Ray. It doesn't matter whichever format you watch the characters on, they will look real no matter what. But of course, Blu-Ray will be much more impressive.

But I am not trying to pick faults with the CGI in TIH because I thought it was great but it wasn't brilliant and it certainly didn't push the boundaries of CGI.

[terry78]

TIH's CG work was either really good at times or sometimes just passable. The cave scene where he's protecting Betty from the storm was excellent work..extremely well done. The scene when he protects her from the copter crash and carries her off looking accusingly at Ross...well done. The Blonsky fight...meh.

[dcHulk]

I agree with you both that Hulk will obviously look better on Blu-Ray. I know there is a big difference in picture quality between Blu-Ray and DVD. But the point I am trying to get across is that if the CGI by R&H of Hulk is so good then it shouldn't matter what format you watch the film on. Hulk should appear real.

An example is, Peter Jackson's King Kong or Transformers. The CGI characters look impressive and real in cinemas, TV, DVD and Blu-Ray. It doesn't matter whichever format you watch the characters on, they will look real no matter what. But of course, Blu-Ray will be much more impressive.

But I am not trying to pick faults with the CGI in TIH because I thought it was great but it wasn't brilliant and it certainly didn't push the boundaries of CGI.

Ah, I understand what you mean now. :cwink:

[dcHulk]

TIH's CG work was either really good at times or sometimes just passable. The cave scene where he's protecting Betty from the storm was excellent work..extremely well done. The scene when he protects her from the copter crash and carries her off looking accusingly at Ross...well done. The Blonsky fight...meh.

Yes there were some obvious parts that could have been better. In general, the CGI was well done. But I think that Marvel, mistakenly, sacrificed quality of CGI (for specific scenes, like the final fight) for the sake of meeting the release deadline.

[Sarg92]

But I think that Marvel, mistakenly, sacrificed quality of CGI (for specific scenes, like the final fight) for the sake of meeting the release deadline.

That is true.

R&H were rushed by Marvel to finish the CGI for the film. That is why the Arctic Scene never made the final cut because the CGI for it wasn't finished.

A photorealistic Hulk is extremely possible in this era of technology and CGI. R&H did create a photorealistic Hulk in some parts of the film but with the lack of time it wasn't possible to have a photorealistic Hulk in the entire film. But I reckon that if Marvel hired a bigger CGI studio such as ILM or WETA for TIH then the CGI quality would have been to a much higher level in the short time R&H were given.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I bought a Sony BDP-S350, which was $300 at the time. You can get it cheaper now though. It does play DVD, and quite well I might add. I think all blue ray players that are being produced now are backwards compatible with DVD.

I have actually seen some that dont to be honest, dont know what the difference is, the main reason I ask is that i'm not replacing over 200 DVD's with Blu-ray!

Although I hope for TIH2, I agree that it will most likely be something else.

Agreed, unfortunately, I dont think TIH2 would be greenlight until they see the response the GA give to him in Avengers, so 2014 could be the earliest we get another solo Hulk movie :csad:.

All Blu-Ray players can play DVDs. Some Blu-Ray players have the ability to upscale the DVD footage to HD but it will never be as good as true Blu-Ray HD.

As above, I mainly ask because I dont fancy selling all my DVD's and re-buying them on Blu-ray.

I know no one wants to hear this, but there is a stronger possibility that film may be the Venom spinoff.... given Stan Lee role is already written.

Just saying.......

Venom isnt a collaberation, its a Sony property, so it wouldnt count as a Marvel studio's movie as they dont have the right to the character.

[Venom'sDad]

Marvel is the one doing the film, if it get going... in collaberation with Sony. :confused:

[HappyPalooza]

Sony's making the movie, the rights to Venom are owned by them. Marvel is just kinda there 'cuz they sold them the rights.

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah sony is in charge I don't think marvel has much say so in it.

[Spider-Vader]

Well unless the rumor about Paramount & Sony merging is right.

[FaT_tONle]

If Sony was going to make Venom... don't you think they would have green lit and actually gone forward with it immediately after SM3 and all the backlash surrounding the character. In otherwords, Sony saying, "this is how we will make it up to the Venom fans." Sort of like how Wolverine was an apology to fans who felt some of their favorite characters were shafted in the trilogy. We would have gotten a Venom movie by now with Topher and it would be coming out in 2010. Sony missed the boat. I doubt they will come back to the character any time soon, unless its a Spiderman movie.

[HappyPalooza]

So yeah I hope Hulk does something cool in this movie.

[Obi-Ron]

Sort of like how Wolverine was an apology to fans who felt some of their favorite characters were shafted in the trilogy.

It was nothing of the sort. It was an attempt to cash in on a popular character.

[Gamma Goliath]

I guess so. Which would mean spidey would be back in marvels good good hands. Now if only fox would merge with someone so marvel can get the xmen, blade and daredevil rights back.

[FaT_tONle]

It was nothing of the sort. It was an attempt to cash in on a popular character.

I think it was in part. Otherwise they wouldn't have used the title X-Men Origins and the young mutants they featured would not have been otherwise.

[Obi-Ron]

Now if only fox would merge with a mack truck

Fixed

[Venom'sDad]

It was nothing of the sort. It was an attempt to cash in on a popular character.

As would be a Venom spin-off.


On a side note.....
Obviously I must be wrong or something; but I could have sworn I read somewhere that Marvel was proposing to do the film in colab with Sony, with Sony distributing it. :confused:

[FaT_tONle]

I remember the article you may be referring to only speculated that Marvel still had rights to Venom. I don't think they do though, but who knows? Wouldn't make much sense to me if Sony did not have the rights.

[Kirmit]

I think hulk should look exactly like this in the avengers http://www.play.com/Gadgets/Gadgets/4-/10267233/The-Incredible-Hulk-Life-Size-Hulk-Statue/Product.html#

[Gamma Goliath]

That's awesome.

[Spider-Vader]

I remember the article you may be referring to only speculated that Marvel still had rights to Venom. I don't think they do though, but who knows? Wouldn't make much sense to me if Sony did not have the rights.

For real. How could they not have the rights after he was in 'Spider-Man 3'? Unless they found a loop hole. Inwhich, I would be extremely happy.

[topdog1]

This recent exchange at a Comic Con interview with Kevin Feige kind of made me sad...

When asked if he was currently in a "good place" with Edward Norton, Feige demurred and said, "ask him."

That doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement. Feige needs to suck it up and apologize. Norton was clearly right (judging by the brilliance of some of the deleted scenes in IH and by the final box office numbers) and Feige and Marvel was wrong. So, man up and beg Norton for another chance.

[scatterax]

This recent exchange at a Comic Con interview with Kevin Feige kind of made me sad...

When asked if he was currently in a "good place" with Edward Norton, Feige demurred and said, "ask him."

That doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement. Feige needs to suck it up and apologize. Norton was clearly right (judging by the brilliance of some of the deleted scenes in IH and by the final box office numbers) and Feige and Marvel was wrong. So, man up and beg Norton for another chance.

agreed.

[Aztec]

Norton was clearly right (judging by the brilliance of some of the deleted scenes in IH and by the final box office numbers) and Feige and Marvel was wrong.

As I've mentioned in the "Ed Norton" thread, I've seen the deleted scenes and there was no "brilliance" there. Just a whole bunch of "nothing special".

[Obi-Ron]

Except good moviemaking that would have given TIH the chance to have some decent characterization instead of just being about the effects.

[Aztec]

Except good moviemaking that would have given TIH the chance to have some decent characterization instead of just being about the effects.

You are free to your own opinion of course, but I was more than content with the character development in TIH. I think Norton did a great job. I watched the cut scenes and there was really not much to crow about there. The yoga scenes while interesting, were hardly crucial to his character; and the Samson conversation seemed very out of place with the rest of the film to me. I was really expecting that scene to be more coherent and meaningful than it was.

[dcHulk]

You are free to your own opinion of course, but I was more than content with the character development in TIH. I think Norton did a great job. I watched the cut scenes and there was really not much to crow about there. The yoga scenes while interesting, were hardly crucial to his character; and the Samson conversation seemed very out of place with the rest of the film to me. I was really expecting that scene to be more coherent and meaningful than it was.

I'll disagree with you overall as well. Ross' character was more one dimensional because of the cuts. Even the philosophical explanation of what scientists think they can do was cut, which was terrible editing. Because Samson's scenes were cut so much, relegating it to a worthless role, will need to be re-introduced now. There was more dramatic tension in Betty's house when it appears that Leonard is there. So I guess I have a different opinion, but Marvel screwed this up.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This recent exchange at a Comic Con interview with Kevin Feige kind of made me sad...

When asked if he was currently in a "good place" with Edward Norton, Feige demurred and said, "ask him."

That doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement. Feige needs to suck it up and apologize. Norton was clearly right (judging by the brilliance of some of the deleted scenes in IH and by the final box office numbers) and Feige and Marvel was wrong. So, man up and beg Norton for another chance.

Totally agreed, doesnt sound like they have made up at all yet, but Fiege should just man up and admit he was wrong, I have no doubt the Norton cut was a better version of the movie so stop being a child Fiege and sort it out!

[Venom'sDad]

Is this scene that many of you speak, on the DVD? Or where can I see it?

[dcHulk]

Is this scene that many of you speak, on the DVD? Or where can I see it?

It depends on which version of the DVD you have, because the standard version has less deleted scenes than the three disc special edition. I think that the three disc special edition has the same number of deleted scenes that the blue ray has, but I'm not sure.

[FrostBite]

Well there is the rumor that Ed Norton will be coming back in Iron Man 2 for a cameo... don't know how much credibility there is to it though. Apparently it's by the same "insider" who said Stan Lee would play Larry King in Iron Man 2 interviewing Stark.

One can only hope that there is a chance ol' Eddy is coming back, after all, Ed didn't really seem as upset as people made it out to be.

Edit: Has anyone seen this with Feige? http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/notyetamovie/news/?a=8787

He worries me with Hulk's role in this film. "I think we know. I think it's going to be Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and Nick Fury. I think it's safe to assume that there will be some members of the Hulk universe in the film as well."

'cuse me? Hulk characters? ...Hulk isn't counted as one of the erm... 4 Avengers?

"Is the Hulk in it?"

"Zak Penn is outlining it as we speak, so we'll see."

Frostbite is not pleased with the abysmal treatment of the Hulk.

[Microchip]

Hulk had a good movie that was pretty successful at the box office, he should be in Avengers. If Norton won't come back, I can see why they wouldn't have him, but otherwise they should try for it.

[FrostBite]

Hulk had a good movie that was pretty successful at the box office, he should be in Avengers. If Norton won't come back, I can see why they wouldn't have him, but otherwise they should try for it.

Seriously. I don't like this uncertainty, there should be no uncertainty. Original member, had his own movie, Stark cameo at the end. Etc.

Why do I get the disturbing feeling Hulk is just going to show up and smash something, and they are going to either beat him or he'll get away with little to nothing to do with the movie except for people to go "OO! LOOK! HULK!"

-grumble-

[Aesop Rocks]

We still don't know if Bruce can even control it...

[Bruce Banner]

Well I read somewhere recently that Edward said that he was gonna leave it up to them to say whats going on with his future involvement. At the same time of he was not going to be in it wouldn't he just say so? He is being kinda hush hush about it. Why bother to keep avoiding the question if he isn't involved somehow?

Its known that Marvel and Edward had disagreements...but could it be that Marvel and Norton are pulling the something along the same lines as Lionsgate and Donnie Walhberg did for the Saw series?

To say there was some sort of dispute to be told of there lack of involvement and be surprised in theaters with his Detective Matthews making a return?

[Obi-Ron]

What I find kind of disconcerting is that both sides (Marvel/Norton) have said "ask the other guy" when asked about working relations between the two.

[Bruce Banner]

It does kinda suck how both sides are leaving it a mystery. But why bother waisting time with the trouble of having to keep dodging the question that most people want a answer to?

Is it that Norton might want to take a look first at what Zak Penn is writing?

[Betty Ross]

I'm just hoping that both sides are keeping mum in order to conceal a surprise (an appearance in Iron Man 2, maybe?). Kevin Feige can't keep his stories straight, and even Downey's avoiding Avengers and Hulk questions. Personally, I found Norton's statement to be a positive thing - if he had nothing to hide, why would he care how tight Marvel's "rein" on things is?

[Venom'sDad]

What I find kind of disconcerting is that both sides (Marvel/Norton) have said "ask the other guy" when asked about working relations between the two.
Well, I can see Norton saying that since it is up to Marvel.... however, it is disconcerting that Marvel would make that comment.

[Bruce Banner]

Personally, I found Norton's statement to be a positive thing - if he had nothing to hide, why would he care how tight Marvel's "rein" on things is?

Agreed thats the way I'm looking at it. I haven't really followed everything closely as of late. But your saying they are bugging stars of other franchises about this issue as well?

[FrostBite]

I'm just hoping that both sides are keeping mum in order to conceal a surprise (an appearance in Iron Man 2, maybe?). Kevin Feige can't keep his stories straight, and even Downey's avoiding Avengers and Hulk questions. Personally, I found Norton's statement to be a positive thing - if he had nothing to hide, why would he care how tight Marvel's "rein" on things is?

This is how I see it. If he really didn't want to be a part of it, and had decided on a big fat "Screw that!" then you'd think he'd just say: "No, I really don't think that'd be my sort of thing." or "I don't think I am going to be a part of the Hulk series anymore." or "Tell Marvel to eff off."

Instead we get a cryptic "No comment" as if he's not allowed to speak on it, and if he really didn't want to be a part of it... really, why would he CARE if Marvel wanted his involvement (or lack there of) a secret? Why would he let them spill the news? That just doesn't make any sense.

Then again, I am not saying he's coming back for sure, but one can hope.

[Hoblin]

Ah ha! So THIS is where all the Hulk fans are hiding out now. I haven't seen most of you guys since the last Hulk movie came out.

To be on topic...I hope beyond hope that Edward Norton AND the Hulk are in the Avengers movie. Or even in a bonus scene of Iron Man 2.

I find it sad that I now live in a world where there is even the slight possibility of there being an Avengers movie WITHOUT Hulk. That's ridiculous beyond words to me.

I'll still see the Avengers movie if it doesn't have Hulk in it, but I'm afraid I'd walk out a little disappointed. It'd be like making out with a girl in the dark (which is cool), and then the lights come on and you discover it's your sister (which is not cool).

Yeah, that analogy was kinda wonky...but whatever.

[Khemik@L]

Well I would be a lot disappointed. Sortah like buying a game and finding out it only have half the features of another game.

[FlawlessVictory]

This recent exchange at a Comic Con interview with Kevin Feige kind of made me sad...

When asked if he was currently in a "good place" with Edward Norton, Feige demurred and said, "ask him."

That doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement. Feige needs to suck it up and apologize. Norton was clearly right (judging by the brilliance of some of the deleted scenes in IH and by the final box office numbers) and Feige and Marvel was wrong. So, man up and beg Norton for another chance.

It frustrates me to no end that some of those deleted scenes were not included in the final cut of the movie. I still really like the movie but had a number of those scenes been included I would have no problem saying it was as good as or perhaps even better than Iron Man.

As I've mentioned in the "Ed Norton" thread, I've seen the deleted scenes and there was no "brilliance" there. Just a whole bunch of "nothing special".

There are a lot of great character moments in those deleted scenes that fleshes out those characters much more. Makes you care even more for them. Especially dialogue between Betty and Bruce, Betty and Thunderbolt and the phonecall from Doc Samson to Betty towards the end. Doc's insecurity of having Bruce stay in the house is shown(which would be a natural reaction) but he gives in for Betty and she thanks him. Touching scene. Also Bruce at dinner with both of them was nice to see as well. You can see the pain he is going through, I really felt bad for him. Those scenes are very important in making that a truly complete film.

[Spider-Vader]

Even if Hulk is the "villain" in this I want to see him do something heroic, like save a civilian or something like that.

[dcHulk]

Even if Hulk is the "villain" in this I want to see him do something heroic, like save a civilian or something like that.

Maybe even save a puppy, like in the IM/Spiderman/Hulk animation.

[FrostBite]

I don't want to see Hulk as a villain at all, unless it is something like in Ultimate Avengers (the movie) where he is a misunderstood uncontrollable beast (as always) where people don't trust Bruce. But I don't want him to be portrayed just as a villain.

[terry78]

He's never been a villain, period. Anytime he's gone off the deep end it's because something set it off. He's reactive, not proactive. The Hulk is that guy you know that you work with on occasion but don't really hang with because he has a short fuse and is somewhat prone to get into fights. He's not a bad guy, but if he starts ****, you have to finish it.

[Philly Phanboy]

I got a strong feeling that the hulk will either be in the Avengers movie or he will not be in the Avengers movie.

You might be right or wrong. :hehe:

[catintheengine]

I agree with what some others on here are saying. I'd like to see Hulk be an 'obstacle', not a bad guy.

He's an emotional being. In a lot of ways he has a child's mentality.

So yeah, I'd like to see the Avengers go up against Hulk (maybe up to half-way through the movie), but in the end he helps them defeat the real villain.

I also don't know if I'd even have him 'officially' join the Avengers. He seems like he'd be more of a free agent.

[Obi-Ron]

Ah ha! So THIS is where all the Hulk fans are hiding out now.


It seems kind of silly to have gotten rid of the Hulk boards when half of the active topics on the "Marvel movies" and "Avengers" boards are about him. :bh:

[topdog1]

http://scifiwire.com/2009/08/could-tim-roths-abominati.php

"Tim Roth, who played Emil Blonsky/The Abomination in last year's The Incredible Hulk, confirmed that Marvel has made overtures to him about reprising the role in future movies, possibly including the upcoming Avengers film."

Masters of Evil?????

[Aesop Rocks]

I didn't know that! I would LOVE to see him return.

[catintheengine]

That certainly is promising news.

Can't rightfully have Abomination without Hulk, can you?

Or rather, you shouldn't.

[Aztec]

That certainly is promising news.

Can't rightfully have Abomination without Hulk, can you?

Or rather, you shouldn't.

Agreed. At this point I think we have to safely assume that Hulk will be in this film even if Feige is bizarrely non-committal about it.

[Katsuro]

I'm not sure how Roth would return even if they did bring back Abomination. I mean, he cant transform back and forth like Hulk, can he? So he's just permanently a giant monster. What's really for Tim Roth to do, other than maybe lend his voice for a few lines.

[catintheengine]

Well, there's two possibilities that I can see:

- Flashbacks

- S.H.I.E.L.D was able to turn him back.

[Superhero 101]

Masters of Evil!!!!! YAY

[Sarg92]

I'm not sure how Roth would return even if they did bring back Abomination. I mean, he cant transform back and forth like Hulk, can he? So he's just permanently a giant monster. What's really for Tim Roth to do, other than maybe lend his voice for a few lines.

He can do the motion capture for Abomination or if Marvel decide to use the technology James Cameron helped create for his film Avatar then Roth could be used for the facial and performance capture of Abomination as well as doing the voice.

[HappyPalooza]

He did that for TIH, too. So that's what I'd think.

[dcHulk]

He can do the motion capture for Abomination or if Marvel decide to use the technology James Cameron helped create for his film Avatar then Roth could be used for the facial and performance capture of Abomination as well as doing the voice.

I would think that his role would be expanded a bit. I mean, anyone can do motion capture for Abom, and even the facial expressions. I highly doubt they would pay Tim Roth just for this. So I'm thinking he will show his face as the human Emil Blonsky.

[Sarg92]

I would think that his role would be expanded a bit. I mean, anyone can do motion capture for Abom, and even the facial expressions. I highly doubt they would pay Tim Roth just for this. So I'm thinking he will show his face as the human Emil Blonsky.

Well if you read up on James Cameron's performance capture technology then you will see that it does matter who does the movements and facial expressions.

Zoe Zaldana plays a lead role in the film which is completely CGI and Sam Worthington plays a lead role which is also CGI for a large chunk of the film.

Using this new tech allows a literal performance to be captured so Roth would be needed.

[Spider-Vader]

I'd love for Roth to be back. He was awesome as Abomination, well besides him not doing a Russian accent for the role.

[Aesop Rocks]

Can Blonsky even transform back into a human??

[R_Hythlodeus]

Can Blonsky even transform back into a human??
In the comics, he can´t. That doesn´t necessarily mean, the movie version can´t.

[[A]]

But he's beyond that in the first one -- got all meanie and ugly :hehe: If he goes back to human, he shouldn't look.. pretty

[Cracker Jack]

In the comics, he can´t. That doesn´t necessarily mean, the movie version can´t.

Yeah I could see him going to the Leader and making him cure him. The cure works temporarily and in the end he reverts back to The Abomination and blames Banner

[dcHulk]

Well if you read up on James Cameron's performance capture technology then you will see that it does matter who does the movements and facial expressions.

Zoe Zaldana plays a lead role in the film which is completely CGI and Sam Worthington plays a lead role which is also CGI for a large chunk of the film.

Using this new tech allows a literal performance to be captured so Roth would be needed.

That sounds cool. Then yeah, Tim Roth would do this.

[Gamma Goliath]

I'd like abomy and leader to get recruited onto the MOE, I'd like to see baron zemo, and redskull, loki and ultron.
I'd like for hulk to apart of the team, I'd like see good teamwork between hulk and the avengers like the marvel animation video with hulk/im/spiderman.