Raimi wants Dunst back, hasn't firmly decided on villain(s) yet

[Chewy]

IGN caught up with Spider-Man helmer Sam Raimi (http://uk.stars.ign.com/objects/917/917562.html) today at the SXSW Film Festival to discuss his new horror film Drag Me to Hell (http://uk.movies.ign.com/objects/142/14225417.html), and while chatting with the director, we couldn't help but slip in a couple of questions about a certain webslinger.

According to Raimi, he has yet to decide on the villain for Spider-Man 4 (http://uk.movies.ign.com/objects/745/745715.html), though he has firmer plans for the film's love interest.

"Right now, I'm working with the production team," he explained. "I'm in the earliest stages of working with the writer, trying to work out a story."

He added, "We're closing in on Spider-Man's adversary or adversaries... but I think Sony is going to want to release the Spider-Man announcements themselves."

When asked if Mary Jane Watson (http://uk.stars.ign.com/objects/923/923874.html) or Gwen Stacy (http://uk.stars.ign.com/objects/924/924082.html) would take centre stage in terms of romance, Raimi was a little more forthcoming.

"I'm hoping that Kirsten [Dunst (http://uk.stars.ign.com/objects/917/917141.html), who plays Mary-Jane] will be in it, but we're still talking about that," he revealed. "Definitely, she's got to be in it. It wouldn't be the Spider-Man series without her."

So there you have it -- Mary Jane the likely love interest, while we have to wait a little longer to find out who web-head will be fighting. Spider-Man 4 is released on May 6, 2011, (http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/961/961795p1.html) and look our for our Drag Me to Hell review tomorrow. SOURCE (http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/962/962773p1.html)

[Joker]

Wow, if he has not decided on his villains yet, I wonder what they were doing with Mickey Rourke?

He doesn't indicate at all if Gwen is going to be in this one. Just that he definitely wants MJ, which was a given anyway. I hope Gwen returns. Bryce was a ray of sunshine as Gwen in the drab SM-3.

[JerseyJoker]

I thought Dunst was all board about coming back?

I just hope she has her **** together, cause you could tell she was in a bad place these past few years and her addiction took a toll on her looks.

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

I thought Dunst was all board about coming back?

I just hope she has her **** together, cause you could tell she was in a bad place these past few years and her addiction took a toll on her looks.

Mmhm...just like this picture proves....

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=12203434&postcount=447

:o Scary!:wow:

I'm still in agreement with Catman & however else... my vote is for MEW should Dunst never want to reprise her role but she most likely will.

[CaptainStacy]

Mmhm...just like this picture proves....

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=12203434&postcount=447

:o Scary!:wow:

I'm still in agreement with Catman & however else... my vote is for MEW should Dunst never want to reprise her role but she most likely will.

SHe's got some saggy boobs for such a young lady, lol. :ikyn

[CaptainStacy]

I hope they announce the villain (s) soon...

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

SHe's got some saggy boobs for such a young lady, lol. :ikyn:funny:

I hope they announce the villain (s) soon...

I really hope :liz: is one of them. It only seems like the next step.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Awesome news! Hopefully, they announce the Villians some time soon. :up:

[Joker]

Anyone read this: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=53723

It seems to knock the making a 4th and 5th movie back to back rumour on the head: Raimi says that he and the production team are "in the earliest stages of working with the writer, trying to work out a story." He added that they are just working on the fourth installment and not also a fifth film. Previous reports had claimed that Sony Pictures would be making the fourth and fifth movies at the same time, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

[Chewy]

^ Yeah, that comes from SplashPage. That interview also gives an entirely different impression, that Raimi knows exactly who the villain(s) is/are.

With the recent announcement of the “Spider-Man 4” release date (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/03/12/spider-man-4-release-date-announced/) (May 6, 2011), what once just seemed to be a great pie-in-the-sky idea that might never happen is now even more a tangible reality. Director Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire are locked in, the story is being fleshed out and so fans are dying to know: where will the Peter Parker story take us next and what will be the villains that he has to face?

For those answers we’ll have to keep waiting a little while longer. Raimi is keeping it all very close to the vest, but did reveal to us that the ideas and concepts are only looking forward to the fourth “Spider-Man” film and right now, a larger roadmap for the fifth film is not being charted out. He also said fans should expect to see the stories take place firmly within the Marvel Universe created by Stan Lee and not any inventions outside the familiar comic book storylines.

“The writers, producers and I are working out what the story will be, but we haven’t been talking in terms of Part 4 and 5.” Raimi told MTV News. “I’ve read that [about 'Spider-Man 5’] also, but right now we’re just working on the story for ‘Spider-Man 4,’ just that one film.

“We’re definitely talking about working from all the material in the comic books and nothing [invented] outside of that, “Raimi continued. “All the characters or villains or villains (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/01/09/spider-man-4-villain-might-be-morbius-the-living-vampire-director-sam-raimi-hints/), whatever we decide to do will be from Stan Lee’s creations or those that came after him.”

Note that twice in our interview Raimi said “villain or villains” plural and said, “I do have a pretty good idea, but I’m just not a liberty to say yet,” adding that Sony wants to carefully plan out when they announce the antagonist or antagonists to the fans.

While both Raimi and Kirsten Dunst have both expressed interest in her returning (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/09/29/kirsten-dunst-talks-spider-man-4-is-she-in-or-out/) as Peter Parker’s unattainable girlfriend Mary Jane Watson, the filmmaker says he’s currently unsure of her participation status and he’s not privy to those negotiations.

Asked whether the story could be written for another love interest in the “Spider-Man” comics if Dunst didn’t sign for whatever reason, Raimi seemed to be dismayed at the very notion.

“I can’t imagine making a ‘Spider-Man’ movie without Kirsten,” he said, seemingly contemplating the idea in his head with a long pause. “Of course it can be done because Spider Man has existed without the character of Mary-Jane but she’s one of my favorite parts and it would be a shame not to have her in the picture. I’m hoping she’ll be in it and I’m planning on having a story with her in it.”


SOURCE (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/03/15/exclusive-sam-raimi-cant-imagine-doing-spider-man-4-without-kirsten-dunst-only-working-on-fourth-film/)

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

^ I was just about to post that. :oldrazz:

[Spider-ManHero12]

^ Yeah, that comes from SplashPage. That interview also gives an entirely different impression, that Raimi knows exactly who the villain(s) is/are.




SOURCE (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/03/15/exclusive-sam-raimi-cant-imagine-doing-spider-man-4-without-kirsten-dunst-only-working-on-fourth-film/) Pretty cool! I still think they will make a 5th one though, even if it's not filmed back to back.

[Raiden]

I hope Raimi will acknowledge that SM3 wasn't that great a film, and he'll consciously try to get back to the winning formula of SM1 & 2. After TDK raising the stake of superhero movies, I don't want Spider-man to continue its campiness like the emo Parker.

[DW4]

Well fortunately for us I don't think the Emo Peter will return because the symbiote is no longer with him.


...well for now I guess.

[thejon93]

How many times has this guy "talked" about 'Spider-Man'? Honestly. Three or five times?... He's pretty much mentioned the same ---- so-and-so many times. JESUS CHRIST, CONFIRM SOMETHING YOU BUMBLING IMBECILE; VILLAIN, SIMPLE SYNOPSIS, SOMETHING!!!

[Carlo Comicus]

I hope Kirsten back.

[Symbiote666]

How many times has this guy "talked" about 'Spider-Man'? Honestly. Three or five times?... He's pretty much mentioned the same ---- so-and-so many times. JESUS CHRIST, CONFIRM SOMETHING YOU BUMBLING IMBECILE; VILLAIN, SIMPLE SYNOPSIS, SOMETHING!!!

What sort of moronic response is that?

He has said that 1, they are not making SM4 and SM5 back to back, 2 they haven't even nailed down a villian yet and 3, KD is still not on board, but you want him to start confirming things? It's not his fault if reporters with the same attitude as you keep asking him things about a project that isn't even close to starting yet, what the hell do you expect him to say other than try to clear up what has been previously said?

[Compi716]

Uch...WHY does MJ need to have her own story? I think Raimi needs to take a look at the first chunk of ASM issues again, all of which were MJ-less.

[FilmNerdJamie]

"I'm in the earliest stages of working with the writer, trying to work out a story."

That's interesting because David Lindsay-Abaire was hired back in November and we're now in the middle of March.

They should be further along than that...unless they've gotten another screenwriter on-board. :huh:

[Boom]

The character of MJ was one of the serious problems I had with Spider-Man 3. Her character better get a complete overhaul in this movie.

Oh, and it better be The Lizard.

[XSpidercideX]

No! Screw Tobey and Kirsten! They don't know who Peter and MJ are! They play them all wrong.

MJ is not a poor Gwen Stacy but that's who Kirsten is. Why does she never go party? She should be dating tons of random guys! Peter should have dated Gwen and him in MJ get close after Gwens death. Peter asks MJ to marry him and she says no because she couldn't commit to just one man, moves away. Comes back. Peter asks again and she says yes.

Peter was not picked on in College. But Raimi still thinks he's in high school. Raimi still thinks he's a soft spoken shy kid. This is not Peter Parker! Peter is outspoken and funny.

Screw Raimi! He's responsible for this perversion of their characters.

Crap, because of this Spider-man will be forever tainted in the movie industry with bad characterization. Arrrrggghhhh!

[Boom]

I fully support the notion to replace Kirsten Dunst. I've always disliked her as an actress, and I've always hated her as Mary Jane Watson.

Of course, I won't get my hopes up. Dunst will surely be back.

[Symbiote666]

I could stand her coming back for the sake of continuity, but hopefully they will have overcome their relationship troubles. For someone Peter claims to have always wanted to be with, they certainly don't seem very compatible if they're still going to be arguing in SM4.

[thejon93]

What sort of moronic response is that?

He has said that 1, they are not making SM4 and SM5 back to back, 2 they haven't even nailed down a villian yet and 3, KD is still not on board, but you want him to start confirming things? It's not his fault if reporters with the same attitude as you keep asking him things about a project that isn't even close to starting yet, what the hell do you expect him to say other than try to clear up what has been previously said?
What don't you ----ing understand?!... This is exactly what made 'Spider-Man 3' fall flat in it's boots. They took too damn long in deciding on how many villains would appear, which characters will appear, the fight sequences, the love story/triangles/whatever, and all that other bull----. What made the first two so good is that they didn't waste time deciding over the villain(s) or the story, they decided to tell the story by developing the characters to their fullest potential. As 'Spider-Man 3' was mainly about: "Okay, so how do we get our money back from this $258 million dollar production?"... Sounds like a bunch of bull----, I know, but believe me:O

[Symbiote666]

No, none of that is what made SM3 'fail'. In fact that doesn't even makes sense.

[thejon93]

No, none of that is what made SM3 'fail'. In fact that doesn't even makes sense.
"Makes sense"? I'm sorry, but... it's true. What I said can define perfectly what made 'Spider-Man 3' a poor film. And it makes much more sense if you look a little closer at the movie.

[venom892]

How is it they haven't decided on a villain or villains?Haven't they been working on the script for a while?Also I would love for Kristen Dunst to be replaced.She never quite had the spirit or the looks for MJ and to me was always the weakest link in the cast.Oh and for god's sake whether it be Kristen or not please don't let MJ be kidnapped again.It's redundant already.

[thejon93]

How is it they haven't decided on a villain or villains?Haven't they been working on the script for a while?Also I would love for Kristen Dunst to be replaced.She never quite had the spirit or the looks for MJ and to me was always the weakest link in the cast.Oh and for god's sake whether it be Kristen or not please don't let MJ be kidnapped again.It's redundant already.
Exactly, isn't it funny that no villains have been selected and yet Mary Jane(Dunst) is being considered to play a major part in the story, again? I know that they like to keep somethings secret and all, but I'm just hoping that the villain(s) aren't just going to be throwaway-quality to make up the expected/needed action-sequences.
(P.S. If Mary Jane is going to be kidnapped again in this installment, I'm going to be a very PO'd individual.)

[American_Hobo]

Exactly, isn't it funny that no villains have been selected and yet Mary Jane(Dunst) is being considered to play a major part in the story, again? I know that they like to keep somethings secret and all, but I'm just hoping that the villain(s) aren't just going to be throwaway-quality to make up the expected/needed action-sequences.
(P.S. If Mary Jane is going to be kidnapped again in this installment, I'm going to be a very PO'd individual.)

I'll bet my money on Dunst getting kidnapped by whoever villain again(yes,for the 4th time)

[thejon93]

I'll bet my money on Dunst getting kidnapped by whoever villain again(yes,for the 4th time)
:facepalm

[FlawlessVictory]

I'll bet my money on Dunst getting kidnapped by whoever villain again(yes,for the 4th time)

And Spider-Man loses his mask again. :csad:

[American_Hobo]

And the villain finds out Spiderman's identity and in the end somehow turns good.

[venom892]

I'll bet my money on Dunst getting kidnapped by whoever villain again(yes,for the 4th time)One thing i really don't like about 3 is that it seemed he cared more about saving MJ then saving all the other innocent people.We as a audience already know he loves and cares for her.He doesn't have to save her every goddamn movie.It was awesome in the first movie,Acceptable in the second one but just awful by the third.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Glad they are moving forward, but like others thought they would have the villains sorted out by now, and please, no more relationship problems or kidknappings for MJ, an important role doesnt have to involve these things.

[NewYorkSpider]

Glad they are moving forward, but like others thought they would have the villains sorted out by now, and please, no more relationship problems or kidknappings for MJ, an important role doesnt have to involve these things.

Would you care if Gwen was captured? If the Lizard is in SM4, they could connect that with Gwen being in Dr. Connors class.

[Immortalfire]

I'll bet my money on Dunst getting kidnapped by whoever villain again(yes,for the 4th time)

And Spider-Man loses his mask again. :csad:

And the villain finds out Spiderman's identity and in the end somehow turns good.


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[Symbiote666]

"Makes sense"? I'm sorry, but... it's true. What I said can define perfectly what made 'Spider-Man 3' a poor film. And it makes much more sense if you look a little closer at the movie.

The problem with SM3 was that it was overcrowded, under-developed and they felt that it had to be bigger and better than the first 2. All of that had nothing to do with the amount of time they spent talking about the movie or deciding what should be in it. Obviously when they did decide what to do with it they got it wrong, but that had nothing to do with time spent before the movie.

They're clearly in the first stages of making this movie. Nothing is final at this stage therefore he can't confirm anything. It's not like filming is supposed to start next week and he's still changing things around. This wasn't an interview about SM4, he didn't hunt down these interviewers to tell them nohting of value, they asked him these questions during an interview about his current project and focus of his attention. To criticise the lack of solid information about the project at this stage is pointless because the project hasn't even started yet.

[GoldGoblin]

I thought Raimi learned from his mistakes and was gonna redeem himself by giving us a great story by making SM4 & SM5 back to back.Now he is already screwing up because this is gonna be Tobey's last spidey flick and the only way to get him to play spidey in SM5 is to film SM4 & SM5 back to back.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by American_Hobo http://forums.superherohype.com/images/Drakon/SHHClassic/smallbuttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=16605814#post16605814)
I'll bet my money on Dunst getting kidnapped by whoever villain again(yes,for the 4th time)
Tbh, I don't think she'll be kidnapped this time. Hell, Sam was going to have Gwen kidnapped in the third one, which is another reason I think MJ won't be kidnapped in this one.

[venom892]

I really don't want anyone kidnapped.Spidey should be drawn to the final battle scene because the city is in peril not a damsel in distress.

[FaT_tONle]

A big WTF on the SM4/5 not being done back to back? I am still going to assume Sony signs everyone for AT LEAST two more films... but I thought the whole reason for waiting this long and bringing everyone back was to do them back to back. Doesn't make much sense to me... I'd rather they just recast if they don't do them together.

[thejon93]

A big WTF on the SM4/5 not being done back to back? I am still going to assume Sony signs everyone for AT LEAST two more films... but I thought the whole reason for waiting this long and bringing everyone back was to do them back to back. Doesn't make much sense to me... I'd rather they just recast if they don't do them together.
I remember back when watching one of the DVD extras from one of the DVDs that one the producers(Laura Ziskin) mentioned how great of a luxury it would've been to do the first two/three back-to-back, but now they're telling me that with the chance lying in front of them that they're not even going to dare take it?! Wonderful, just ----in' wonderful.

[mclay18]

"I'm in the earliest stages of working with the writer, trying to work out a story."

That's interesting because David Lindsay-Abaire was hired back in November and we're now in the middle of March.

They should be further along than that...unless they've gotten another screenwriter on-board. :huh:

Sony has their own ideas for a script for SM-4, Raimi has his own. Sony and Arad should take a backseat and let Raimi work on the SM-4 script with Abaire and only have financial input to make the movie at a more reasonable price (as opposed to the $300 million pricetag for the third movie). The first 3 movies were extremely profitable with Raimi behind the wheel, why can't Sony give him more leeway?

You'd think that with him delivering three profitable films one after the other, he'd have final cut and a firm stake in the script.

[GoldGoblin]

After hearing that there not making SM4 & SM5 back to back,I'd be more excited if they just get a new director and recast,I'm just not excited to see another MJ movie where she screams when taken hostage by the new villain,sings where it sounds like a cat being killed,and just looks terrible like she got hit while walking in oncoming traffic...

[FaT_tONle]

I was mistaken if I said SM5 was brewing up to be the next B & R... it might be SM4 that takes the reign away from Schumacher... I don't know... I just don't like the idea that they wait four years... bring the same cast back... and one-off the thing. What are they going to do a marriage at the end? Indy 4 all over again... not that I am saying we won't eventually get a reboot the greedy bastards they are at Hollywood.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Sony has their own ideas for a script for SM-4, Raimi has his own. Sony and Arad should take a backseat and let Raimi work on the SM-4 script with Abaire and only have financial input to make the movie at a more reasonable price (as opposed to the $300 million pricetag for the third movie). The first 3 movies were extremely profitable with Raimi behind the wheel, why can't Sony give him more leeway?

David Koepp and James Vanderbilt were brought in by Sony. Don't know about David Lindsay-Abaire.

However, he was officially hired back in November '08 and should be further along than the "earliest writing stages" if he's in fact still on-board - what it being March '09 and all.

[FlawlessVictory]

I was mistaken if I said SM5 was brewing up to be the next B & R... it might be SM4 that takes the reign away from Schumacher... I don't know... I just don't like the idea that they wait four years... bring the same cast back... and one-off the thing. What are they going to do a marriage at the end? Indy 4 all over again... not that I am saying we won't eventually get a reboot the greedy bastards they are at Hollywood.

Was it confirmed that Spider-Man 4 is the last for Tobey and Raimi?

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ No.

[FlawlessVictory]

^Ah, ok thanks, I figured.

So Fat Tonie why are you talking like this is the last one, and why all the panic? Just let it play out.

[FaT_tONle]

Well I don't want Tobey playing the role in his late thirties is all... would prefer a recast and a new set of films if that were the case... rather than one film and MAYBE more with an older cast.

[mclay18]

David Koepp and James Vanderbilt were brought in by Sony. Don't know about David Lindsay-Abaire.

However, he was officially hired back in November '08 and should be further along than the "earliest writing stages" if he's in fact still on-board - what it being March '09 and all.

The only thing is that Koepp was initially in negotiations to write the fourth movie in 2007, but they fell through. I don't think Koepp even had an outline, let alone a finished draft when negotiations fell through. From what it seems, Vanderbilt delivered a draft to Sony but couldn't do rewrites because of several other projects he was tied to.

From what it seems, Abaire was either approached by the producers, had a pitch that Sony execs liked or he was brought in to rewrite Vanderbilt's draft. I have a feeling it was the first reason, hence Raimi's recent comments about "figuring out the story and villains."

[thejon93]

I was mistaken if I said SM5 was brewing up to be the next B & R... it might be SM4 that takes the reign away from Schumacher... I don't know... I just don't like the idea that they wait four years... bring the same cast back... and one-off the thing. What are they going to do a marriage at the end? Indy 4 all over again... not that I am saying we won't eventually get a reboot the greedy bastards they are at Hollywood.
You wouldn't happen to be known as 'cumonass' on 'YouTube', would you?... 'Cause I'm seeing a lot of references to his notorious rants on comic-book/superhero movies.

[chaseter]

Ugh...horrible news. The movie is just over 2 years away with a nailed down date and they haven't even brain stormed or began writing a script...horrible news. This will be rushed to meet a date and the quality will be affected because of that.

[mclay18]

They have been working on the script on SM-4 for a while now, while Raimi was off doing Drag Me to Hell and taking pitches from writers. Now that he's close to finishing that up, he's getting more involved with SM-4.

I doubt it will be rushed. Sony's been taking their sweet time getting a script together since late 2007. Whether it will have a similar smell to SM-3's overcrowded, studio-interfering result is yet to be seen.

[dark_b]

i think Jerry Bruckheimer said that it was very expensive to make POTC 2 and 3 together. they spend a lot of money. for prince of persia they are taking their time with post production.
i think those were the same problems with the matrix sequels.

i really think that Sony is smart enough to unerstand that after the 4 movie its over with the cast.

[dark_b]

They have been working on the script on SM-4 for a while now, while Raimi was off doing Drag Me to Hell and taking pitches from writers. Now that he's close to finishing that up, he's getting more involved with SM-4.

I doubt it will be rushed. Sony's been taking their sweet time getting a script together since late 2007. Whether it will have a similar smell to SM-3's overcrowded, studio-interfering result is yet to be seen.from my experience with movies that i have been following on SHH it doesnt matter the time.

you can make a good movie in 2 years and a bad movie in 3 years. the same with 4 years.

sinve SM3 made so much money i dont think they will change . they think they did nothing wrong.

[mclay18]

i think Jerry Bruckheimer said that it was very expensive to make POTC 2 and 3 together. they spend a lot of money. for prince of persia they are taking their time with post production.

The reason why the POTC sequels cost so much is that not only they were shot back-to-back, but each had a small frame allocated for post-production because of the locked-in release dates. That means an accelerated workload and paying people at ILM incentives (or contracting more CGI artists) to get the work done.

Had they actually delayed POTC 3 a year or even six months, the cost wouldn't be the astonishing $300 million (a more reasonable $150-200 million), and that was because Disney and Bruckheimer paid through the nose to get the visual effects done on time for the film's release. Fox had to do the same to get X3 out on time and Sony for SM-3.

[FaT_tONle]

I was under the impression that this was is the planning stages for a while... and that they'd be FILMING this Fall or next spring latest once Maguire was locked down... I thought that was what the report stated when the new Raimi/Maguire deals were in place. That would give them about about a 9-10 month window at the very least to do principle photography for BOTH SM4/5 and over an entire year of post production. Now that opportunity seems to have gone by the wayside... a back to back production just made sense on so many levels.

You wouldn't happen to be known as 'cumonass' on 'YouTube', would you?... 'Cause I'm seeing a lot of references to his notorious rants on comic-book/superhero movies.

No... but I'll check him out... sounds like he'd make for good company.

[Neptune]

I hope Dunst doesn't come back :o

[Sentinel X]

Okay...they're NOT doing them back-2-back anymore? :whatever: ..... I thought it was confirmed...to the point where everyone was talking about Tobey Maguire's 50 million dollar paycheck for doing both films back to back.

This sucks. A long wait and for what? :down

[topdog1]

I hope Raimi will acknowledge that SM3 wasn't that great a film, and he'll consciously try to get back to the winning formula of SM1 & 2. After TDK raising the stake of superhero movies, I don't want Spider-man to continue its campiness like the emo Parker.

I hate to burst any bubbles but as good as TDK is, it still falls short of Spider-Man 2.

SM2 = 10/10
TDK = 9/10

The bar was already high.

[LightningFlash]

To each his own, but when I did watch Spider-Man 2, I would always fast forward those thirty minutes when he was powerless...those were the most boring parts of the film.

The Dark Knight is a whole lot better than Spider-Man 2, imo.

[NewYorkSpider]

To each his own, but when I did watch Spider-Man 2, I would always fast forward those thirty minutes when he was powerless...those were the most boring parts of the film.

The Dark Knight is a whole lot better than Spider-Man 2, imo.

They were boring, but they were a key part of the story. The Dark Knight is better than Spider-Man 2, but not by much.

[Jick09]

I enjoy the minutes when he is powerless. I try to feel what he feels.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^Ah, ok thanks, I figured. No problem!

[Episode29]

Ugh...horrible news. The movie is just over 2 years away with a nailed down date and they haven't even brain stormed or began writing a script...horrible news. This will be rushed to meet a date and the quality will be affected because of that.

Trust me, they are further along than you think. They've gone through a couple script permeations and, no doubt, multiple creative meetings.

Regardless of what Raimi says, I'm 100% that the choice of villain(s) is already hammered out and its just a matter of time until a final script is in hand and post-production begins.

I wouldn't expect a villain announcement TOO soon though. Remember how long they hid the identity of Thomas Haden Church's role in SM3.

[Sentinel X]

I hate to burst any bubbles but as good as TDK is, it still falls short of Spider-Man 2.

SM2 = 10/10
TDK = 9/10

The bar was already high.How are you bursting bubbles when you are obviously part of the minority that thinks SM2 is better than TDK?


I hope that Raimi doesn't think SM2 is the best Spider-man film he couldve possibly made...cause if he does, I have little hope for SM4. I liked SM1 and SM2 a lot but there is a lot of room for improvement

[venom892]

I hope for once we can get quips.:csad:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Edit - nvm

[venom892]

None really.Quite frankly i believe SM2 will stand the test of time as one of the greatest fantasy movies not only comic book movies of all time.However I still think TDK is better.For me it goes like this

1.The Dark Knight
2.Spider-man 2
3.Batman Begins
4.Spider-man
5.X-men 2:X-men United

[FaT_tONle]

While TDK was a better film, SM2 will be the film people look back to that defined the genre. SM3... well that falls under the category of films that ****ted on the genre.

[LightningFlash]

I enjoy the minutes when he is powerless. I try to feel what he feels.

Peter was a punk when he just passed that guy getting messed up by those two dudes. Any one should step up, and not let something that stupid happen. That's one reason why Raimi made Peter so unbelievably ignorant.

"He's getting picked on....but I have no powers, so I'm just gonna leave...I guess my balls left when my powers left."

[LightningFlash]

[QUOTE=FaT_tONle;16624827]While TDK was a better film, SM2 will be the film people look back to that defined the genre.[QUOTE]

The film people will look back on has been and always will be '89 Batman.

Face it, that movie was THE most epic crap out there back in the day and still is an amazing film.

That's what made The Dark Knight so incredible. Even if they said otherwise, the director and everyone tried to raise the bar that the '89 Batman raised.

[Joker]

Peter was a punk when he just passed that guy getting messed up by those two dudes. Any one should step up, and not let something that stupid happen. That's one reason why Raimi made Peter so unbelievably ignorant.

"He's getting picked on....but I have no powers, so I'm just gonna leave...I guess my balls left when my powers left."

That was the whole point. Peter was being irresponsible by giving up being Spider-Man. He didn't go follow those Cop cars chasing those criminals after he bought that hot dog in the street either.

It was only after his confession to Aunt May about his role in Ben's death, and her reaction of pulling her hand away from his and just walking away that shook him up. And the headline he saw about crime being up 75% since he quit being Spider-Man. That's when he started to realize he's in the wrong.

He went and saved that little girl in the burning building then. And he learned that someone still died in there. It's like no matter what he does he still loses in some way.

When he's Spider-Man, his friendships, jobs, and studies suffer. When he's not Spider-Man innocent people suffer. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

His lesson that he learned the HARD way was that he has to give up his dreams of a normal life in order to do what is right. His conflict was a parallel of Doc Ock's as Ock was being irresponsible by doing evil things in order to make his dream happen.

[venom892]

While TDK was a better film, SM2 will be the film people look back to that defined the genre. SM3... well that falls under the category of films that ****ted on the genre.Too true.:csad:

[Jick09]

Peter was a punk when he just passed that guy getting messed up by those two dudes. Any one should step up, and not let something that stupid happen.
Oh, so should we try to go and help him? Should we beat two guys to demonstrate that we have "balls"?
Should we suffer the risk of being stabbed, shoot or anything else and lose our life for such a thing? Should we risk our safety and maybe even our friends and family for someone who can be a criminal, a gang member or maybe even worse things?
No. Anyone with "balls", as you say, should call the police.

[LightningFlash]

Sorry; I'm not someone who would just call the police if I see ANYONE get push around or even worse. But that's just me though. I want everyone I know to be safe, and if it means to put my life in harm, so be it.

Besides, the coolest way to die is to get shot protecting a loved one, just like protecting the President, ala Secret Service, haha.

And as what Joker was saying, him walking away showed how he's being irresponsible.

He COULD HAVE stepped in, but no, without powers, he thinks he's useless. You don't see freaking Bruce Wayne walking away because he has no powers; no, he would step in. You don't see Rorshach walking away; no, he would step in. And I gave two examples, because Wayne might be built, but Kovacs is a small dude, so two good examples.

AND....look at Ozzy Osbourne. He's like what, sixty-something...and he fended off a burglary at his home a year or two ago.

[RonStoppablefan]

Screw the girl, just replace her. I never felt the actor did M.J justice any ways.

[thejon93]

Screw the girl, just replace her. I never felt the actor did M.J justice any ways.
You're one of many, friend.

I wouldn't mind having Dunst back, if so, make her character more likable; but don't let her character get in the way of the new-breed of stories this/these movie(s) are aiming to tell.

[NewYorkSpider]

You're one of many, friend.

I wouldn't mind having Dunst back, if so, make her character more likable; but don't let her character get in the way of the new-breed of stories this/these movie(s) are aiming to tell.

I hope they focus on the villians more rather than Mary-Jane. That was one of my problems with SM3. Mary Jane got more screen time than Flint Marko.

[thejon93]

I hope they focus on the villians more rather than Mary-Jane. That was one of my problems with SM3. Mary Jane got more screen time than Flint Marko.
I think she had more screentime than all three villains combined(excluding "Amnesia Harry"). I think this movie will be the end of that, 'Spider-Man 3' had that concluding factor to the whole "Mary Jane = Kidnapped" theme.

[Hypestyle]

focus less on the romance aspect, more on action and fights..

have an "intro villain" for once.. pick a b-lister.. somebody.. like the human fly..

[LightningFlash]

Shocker is a perfect "intro" villain.

[rayc1971]

rhino would be a perfect intro or throw away villian!

[ross2287]

Shocker is a perfect "intro" villain.

rhino would be a perfect intro or throw away villian!

Why not both?!

[Reikowolf]

The Lizard and Kraven

Anthony Hopkins as Kraven. Much less physical but more calculating. This would make for better story progression and the action would not be a huge mess like it was in SM3

[LightningFlash]

Hopkins retired, didn't he?

[Reikowolf]

or did he????

lol

[Immortalfire]

As awesome as Hopkins is, he is way too old to be Kraven.

[Reikowolf]

he is old

but i dunno, I like the idea of Kraven not being a physical force but more an intellegent hunter.

I mean, if he is the greatest hunter, why would he need to physically beat his prey?

[thejon93]

he is old

but i dunno, I like the idea of Kraven not being a physical force but more an intellegent hunter.

I mean, if he is the greatest hunter, why would he need to physically beat his prey?
I like your idea. But, picture the fan-boy's backlash:o

[Reikowolf]

I like your idea. But, picture the fan-boy's backlash:o

Its the fanboys that got Venom into SM3 so they lost their vote in 2007.

Look at Nolan's Joker... complete re-imagining

[venom892]

Well only his looks changed.The Joker's personality was just like the comics.

[thejon93]

Its the fanboys that got Venom into SM3 so they lost their vote in 2007.

Look at Nolan's Joker... complete re-imagining
I wasn't talking about what fans "wanted", I was refering to their potential "reaction". Undoubtably, they'd be petitioning the hell out of the movie if they ever made such a drastic change like so.

And also, as 'venom892' already stated, they only modified The Joker's look in 'The Dark Knight'.

[Spider-Fan]

I actually would prefer for MJ to come back. If we're continuing the Raimi series, then I want to see it continued Raimi's way, and MJ like it or not, is part of Raimi's vision. Taking control away from Raimi hurt SM3, so losing MJ would likely hurt Raimi's vision also.

Though I'm sure many people don't want to hear this, MJ coming back is best, IMO.

[NewYorkSpider]

MJ should be back, but in a smaller role.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I actually would prefer for MJ to come back. If we're continuing the Raimi series, then I want to see it continued Raimi's way, and MJ like it or not, is part of Raimi's vision. Exactly. In this film series, she's basically a pretty big part of it, so I'm not sure how it would work out of she wasn't really in it. Well, especially if S-M4 begins shortly after Harry's death.

[LightningFlash]

^^ Well MJ is the ONLY part in the series, haha.

She's the self-obsessed girl in the series that want it all about her(especially shown on Spider-Man 3).

And yes, Anthony Hopkins retired.

And I still put my vote for Gerald Butler as Kraven.