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Hush
03-21-2009, 10:01 PM
The great debate, CGI ala Hulk or Make-up/Suit ala Thing. What would you prefer and how would you do it? I prefer CGI with a GREAT voice actor. Just think that maybe Perlman shoudl do the voice and make him about 8-9 feet tall. It would be perfect! What does everyone else think.

Webhead2006
03-22-2009, 02:13 AM
Personally i rather see a psyhical actor in a suit with some cgi enhancements ala like hellboy creature costumes.

Lobo
03-22-2009, 06:13 AM
Actor with cgi added, a la hellboy.

protocida
03-22-2009, 10:03 AM
Michael Clarke Duncan with a make-up/suit and minor CGI ajustments.

Ion Kenshin
03-22-2009, 10:17 AM
I'd prefer the make-up and suit route maybe with a little CGI added. The Thing and Hellboy came out great.

protocida
03-22-2009, 10:20 AM
I hope that, in the third draft of the Script, Kilowog get's a bigger role. I would have a nerdgasm if, in the scene where Hal meets him, he isn't intimidated by him, and the two end up fighting in the mud, with no rings, like they use to in the Comics.

dnno1
03-22-2009, 02:39 PM
You can do a lot more with CGI than with a guy with prostesis.

SuperFerret
03-22-2009, 02:43 PM
A suit would work best and give Kilowog more weight on screen, but adding some CGI to touch up the details would be the best idea. The way Gollum was done should be the standard for these types of characters.

Blackman
03-22-2009, 02:48 PM
I thought Gollum was just motion capture

cerealkiller182
03-22-2009, 03:58 PM
Ideally, make-up

but CGI wouldnt be so horrible

Hush
03-22-2009, 04:37 PM
I thought Gollum was just motion capture

He was way more than just Motion Capture, he was innovative on just about all levels.

Mutagen
03-22-2009, 04:44 PM
Actor with CGI would be my choice.

JokerLedger
03-22-2009, 09:36 PM
What they're doing with Where the Wild Things Are or as some have said before me, like what Hellboy did. Make it a real suit but cgi the facial expressions and such.

dnno1
03-22-2009, 09:50 PM
I thought Gollum was just motion capture

That is still a form of CGI.

Blackman
03-22-2009, 09:54 PM
I never said it wasnt

guitarsingerguy
03-22-2009, 10:01 PM
He seems to be the go to guy for this sort of thing, but I'd actually like to see Ron Perlman take on the role.

MagicPrime
03-22-2009, 11:05 PM
As long as he calls someone a "poozer!"

The Major
03-23-2009, 05:11 AM
Michael Clark Duncan
Patrick Gleason
Kevin Grevioux
Ron Perlman

protocida
03-23-2009, 12:43 PM
Michael Clarke Duncan, Ron Pearlman and Ray Winstone are my Top choices.

Blackman
03-23-2009, 01:04 PM
I just watched Fantastic Four 2 (ugh)
And I forgot how good The Thing was. Him being real and not CGI made it not so distracting and made it easier to relate to the character

So ya I vote for Make-Up/Prosthetics Suit

Grommers
03-23-2009, 01:12 PM
I really would like to see the designs of the suit he'll be wearing, if they go for an armor, or a spandex look.

In a spandex suit I'd much prefer a CGI, in an armor I think Prosthetics could look very convincing.

greenlantern248
03-23-2009, 02:18 PM
See I'm not sure what to pick, I would love to see an actor and a suit, but there are aspects of Kilowog that really CGI would be the only thing that would work. So I guess an actor with CGI

batlovescatDC
04-02-2009, 02:14 PM
Actor with cgi. Definitely.

Keyser Soze
04-02-2009, 05:55 PM
Michael Clarke Duncan, Ron Pearlman and Ray Winstone are my Top choices.

I love the idea of Ray Winstone.

"Oi! POOZAH!"

terry78
07-12-2009, 03:16 PM
Personality wise, he should treat Jordan somewhat as a frat brother treats a pledge..somewhat of a bully and a jerkass, but is secretly just doing it to test him. He eventually comes around to liking him though.

Rob Lobo
07-13-2009, 07:45 AM
HULK HOGAN :p

Keyser Soze
07-13-2009, 07:51 AM
Hulk Hogan could be an Orange Lantern.

dnno1
07-13-2009, 08:10 AM
I never said it wasnt

The way you framed your question was like it was something different.

Aesop Rocks
07-13-2009, 08:13 AM
Actor with CGI.

Dark Knight
07-13-2009, 02:53 PM
The same style they used for Gollum in the LOTR's films should be used for Kilowog IMO...

ultimatefan
07-13-2009, 03:09 PM
Given Kilowog has more humanoid proportions than Hulk or Thing, IŽd go more the Hellboy route with him, combining prosthetics (with some animatronic movements) and a suit.

jmc
07-13-2009, 03:15 PM
I'd put money on a combination of prosthetics, puppeteers and CGI. Del Toro pulled it off beautifully in Hellboy and Pan's Labyrinth and it looks ten times better than most CGI characters.

Dark Knight
07-13-2009, 03:21 PM
Michael Clark Duncan as Kilowog!

cerealkiller182
07-13-2009, 03:21 PM
Given Kilowog has more humanoid proportions than Hulk or Thing, IŽd go more the Hellboy route with him, combining prosthetics (with some animatronic movements) and a suit.

Agreed

hYPE
07-13-2009, 10:25 PM
I didn't vote yet, it's hard cause CGI you can do a lot with Kilowog but if you had a guy in suit, it might look more real then CGI, I mean, if you look back at Fantastic 4 with Ben Grimm it wasn't that great but it's been 4/5 years and we can possible get something good now.

StorminNorman
07-13-2009, 10:40 PM
Michael Clark Duncan should already be signed. I mean he is doing DirectTV commercials and Disney show cameo's. Physically you can't find a better match, voice wise is perfect and he is use to heavy make up. Anyone silly enough to bring up the "he's already been in comic book movies!!11!1" shouldn't even bother because he will be under make up.

He should be the list - this is an occasion where there is no benefit in being creative.

dnno1
07-13-2009, 10:43 PM
CGI or CGI mocap is going to be cheaper and look better than an actor with makeup. Case in point, CGI was used for the Silver Surfer, and an actor with makeup was used for the close in shots where actual acting was required. The CGI looked better.

cerealkiller182
07-13-2009, 10:48 PM
CGI or CGI mocap is going to be cheaper and look better than an actor with makeup. Case in point, CGI was used for the Silver Surfer, and an actor with makeup was used for the close in shots where actual acting was required. The CGI looked better.

Metal and artificial things have always looked better in CGI than organic stuff.

dnno1
07-13-2009, 11:08 PM
Metal and artificial things have always looked better in CGI than organic stuff.

So what was the excuse for using CGI insted of a Body builder for the HULK?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/dnno1/Monsters/Mr_Hyde.jpg
Mr. Hyde
(from "The League of Extrordinary Gentlemen)

The Mr. Hyde character in "The League of Extrordinary Gentlemen" was played at some times by a stuntman with prosthetics or by CGI. Did you notice any difference there?

hYPE
07-13-2009, 11:14 PM
Michael Clark Duncan should already be signed. I mean he is doing DirectTV commercials and Disney show cameo's. Physically you can't find a better match, voice wise is perfect and he is use to heavy make up. Anyone silly enough to bring up the "he's already been in comic book movies!!11!1" shouldn't even bother because he will be under make up.

He should be the list - this is an occasion where there is no benefit in being creative.

True, Mike would be almost perfect!

hYPE
07-13-2009, 11:17 PM
So what was the excuse for using CGI insted of a Body builder for the HULK?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/dnno1/Monsters/Mr_Hyde.jpg
Mr. Hyde
(from "The League of Extrordinary Gentlemen)

The Mr. Hyde character in "The League of Extrordinary Gentlemen" was played at some times by a stuntman with prosthetics or by CGI. Did you notice any difference there?

I really didn't. The effect used for him were really good!

Webhead2006
07-14-2009, 12:21 PM
I am still in the camp have an actual actor in suit, with makeup, posthestic stuff, and then enhance certain elements with cgi.

Dark Knight
07-14-2009, 02:17 PM
Michael Clark Duncan should already be signed. I mean he is doing DirectTV commercials and Disney show cameo's. Physically you can't find a better match, voice wise is perfect and he is use to heavy make up. Anyone silly enough to bring up the "he's already been in comic book movies!!11!1" shouldn't even bother because he will be under make up.

He should be on the list - this is an occasion where there is no benefit in being creative.




Agreed!

The big guy Michael Clark Duncan is the perfect fit to be cast as the "big poozer" himself. He is physically perfect and his voice is perfect as well. He would do a good job being the GL trainer for the new recruits.

The role should be his!

I can't wait until next years 2010 Comic Con, the marketing and promotion dept for WB's should go off on promoting the GL film.

They need to hand out cool looking GL rings that can light up to the fans attending the Con and maybe even the Hal Jordan GL mask.

Make GL T shirts with the GL symbol in the front that say "Don't be a Poozer" on the back! Or have Kilowogs face in the front and on the back and have it either say "Don't be a Poozer" or just "Poozer"! :gl: :hehe:

cerealkiller182
07-14-2009, 02:21 PM
So what was the excuse for using CGI insted of a Body builder for the HULK?


Hes much bigger than people. Kilowag has dimensions that could be done by a human. And whenever prosthetic can be used, I say do it, because its definitely better.

Webhead2006
07-14-2009, 02:23 PM
Yea i hope wb's marketing folks this time around play it smart and promote this film like crazy. like what marvel did with im wb should do with gl.

Octoberist
07-14-2009, 02:28 PM
if WETA or ILM is behind the CGI, I would say make Kilowog CGI. If not, get the dudes who did Hellboy 1 and 2.

dnno1
07-14-2009, 02:59 PM
Hes much bigger than people. Kilowag has dimensions that could be done by a human. And whenever prosthetic can be used, I say do it, because its definitely better.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/dnno1/Kilowog2.jpg
Kilowog

Kilowog is listed at 7'8" (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Kilowog). That's much bigger than most tall folks (let alone Michael Clarke Duncan). In fact he's taller than the Hulk. That would lead me to believe that he should be CGI. It will be a lot cheaper than trying to fake it with a normal human being.

Webhead2006
07-14-2009, 03:06 PM
well they could always go with a real actor in a suit, and then later in post make him look taller then he actually was while filming.

terry78
07-14-2009, 03:11 PM
They could do the Hellboy thing, but his facial features need to be CG, like his eyes, the snout, etc.

dnno1
07-14-2009, 03:16 PM
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/dnno1/battlefield_t640.jpg
John Travolta in Battle Field Earth
Just like they did with "John Travolta in Battlefield Earth: Saga of the Year 3000"? You could do much better than that with CGI (and cheaper too).

IDrawDeadPeople
07-14-2009, 04:27 PM
I think a good litmus test for Kilowog would be the suit/practical FX/CGI overlay that was done for Davey Jones in the second & third Pirates films. I'm not a fan of the films, but the combination of FX there was brilliant. He looked insanely organic.

Oh, and add me to the Michael Clark Duncan list. He'd be perfect.


OMG!!!1!!!one!!!1!! He WUz teH KinGPIn!!!11!!

dnno1
07-14-2009, 05:08 PM
I think the studio is using CGI right now for a lot of things. In this Variety piece (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118005740.html?categoryid=1009&cs=1&query=green+lantern), it indicates that they are facilitating the development of the film and storyline using CGI modeling. It is a way of rapidly prototyping concepts and even playing out scenes before they are even acted out. They could even determine if it would be cheaper to go with CGI or just to act it out with actors. Things have come a long ways.

StorminNorman
07-14-2009, 06:24 PM
Make up for Kilowag please.

THE MR. TERRIFIC
07-14-2009, 07:32 PM
I say CGI.

dnno1
07-14-2009, 08:22 PM
Ditto!