Avengers cartoon

[TheCorpulent1]

It's not terrible as its own thing. Forget that that's supposed to be Marvel's Thor and just treat him as some other goofy Norse guy, and it's watchable.

[terry78]

I may have to watch this on demand tonight if comcast has it up, those reruns are a tad too late in the evening for my tired ass.

[Compi716]

Damnit, I don't have Disney XD here! Is there any site streaming the first episode? Or better yet, is there a torrent out there? All I can find are the Micro-episodes packaged.

[Chewy]

Yes there are torrents

[EternalMaster]

And you can also buy the episodes on iTunes. Which is cheaper than paying for a channel package including Disney XD.

[Compi716]

And you can also buy the episodes on iTunes. Which is cheaper than paying for a channel package including Disney XD.
I have Disney XD at home, but I'm at school. I may have to splurge a bit and buy the episodes...

[Chewy]

I think it's $30 for a season pass and you can get the first seven episodes now

[Denny67]

I really enjoyed it but boy did they ever cram a lot into those two first episodes. It was all over the place. The micro-episodes seemed a bit more thought out and refined. I hope they were just looking to establish the circumstances and move on to digging deeper into the ramifications of what just happened.

[Metamorpho1977]

Don't post links to or addresses of illegal download sites on the Hype, please. :nono:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm pretty sure the main points of these first seven episodes were:

1) Establish the characters
2) Establish their world
3) Form the team with a logical reason why these individual heroes would team up

With that in mind, it makes sense that they crammed a ton of stuff into them. The Marvel universe has gotten quite expansive over the past 50 years, so there's a lot to get to.

Personally, I love all the little easter eggs. Like Iron Man crashing Lucia Von Bardas' arms deal and later claiming he pissed off a guy who rhymes with "Boom." Chuckle-worthy. :)

[lixdexia]

i loved aim's design, and the red ghost bit was fun :awesome:

[TheCorpulent1]

Hank's lecture to Mandrill after that was great, too. "You had come so far in counseling!" :D

[Drz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGy9MmQ_Dw

I will say this one more time, but the intro of this show is marvelous!

It grew on me, its very catchy to say the least.

PS. Is anyone else hoping Hulk in the Avengers movies will also go with the more "Hulk can talk" route and stuff? Ofcourse they can't have him Perma-Hulk since the CGI budget would be too much to bother with, but im digging the direction on this cartoon.

[TheCorpulent1]

A more intelligent Hulk is always better. The moronic version who can only growl and roar is not a character, he's a plot device.

Anyone else find it a bit troubling that Iron Man had no problem self-destructing the Vault around everyone save himself, including Hawkeye, who'd just proven that he's trustworthy? I hope the writers are conscious of the fact that that's a morally questionable move and have some of the other Avengers eventually question Tony's judgment, since he's obviously appointed himself leader.

[lixdexia]

A more intelligent Hulk is always better. The moronic version who can only growl and roar is not a character, he's a plot device.

Anyone else find it a bit troubling that Iron Man had no problem self-destructing the Vault around everyone save himself, including Hawkeye, who'd just proven that he's trustworthy? I hope the writers are conscious of the fact that that's a morally questionable move and have some of the other Avengers eventually question Tony's judgment, since he's obviously appointed himself leader.
1- i hate talking hulk. this one's a bit too chatty for me, but not that bad. i can live with him but i hope it's not what we get in the movie

2- yeah, that was weird. even funnier when you think about the moral high horse he was on when he was talking to fury at the end of the 2nd episode. he has no problem blowing up an occupied building

[TheCorpulent1]

Right? Not a shred of warning or evac time, either. The villains are all like, "Hey, where's he go--" BOOM

[terry78]

This Hulk is obviously a hybrid of savage and gray. He's coherent, but when he gets pissed, it may go all out the window sometimes. That is how he should be in the movie as well. He doesn't have to talk constantly, but just let his expressions showcase how he feels, as he talks only when he's got something to say.

[Anubis]

Screw that, let the big guy talk. More character, less plot device.

[TheCorpulent1]

For real. The Green Scar would've sucked if he were just a big, silent brute.

[Jordacar]

I have Disney XD at home, but I'm at school. I may have to splurge a bit and buy the episodes...I watched it on Disney's official site. It should still be up.

[Panthro]

I'll give it a couple episodes to find its stride, but compared to the masterpiece that was the DCAU so far it's found wanting. And that goes into something I've said before: the DCAU was great because each show built upon what the previous established. Marvel likes to constantly re-invent its shows from the ground up, making every show irrelevant to each other instead of complimenting each other. If Marvel would take the time to build as strong and cohesive a universe as they're trying with the movies their shows might not have been predominantly crap since the 90s.
That might have something to do with the fact that Marvel's shows lately have been done by different studios whereas the DCAU was always handled by one - Warner Brothers.

[MarvelWarrior]

Thanks for nothing guys, I'll catch this series when it hits the DVD since I can't watch it or find it. Ciao.

[TheCorpulent1]

Finally saw the second episode of the pilot. Man, that was awesomesauce on a bun of badassitude! :hehe:

- I love the show's version of the Wasp.

- The show did a surprisingly great job of giving each character their proper due. Each character got an awesome moment or two and they worked together pretty well to take Graviton down in the end.

- It's great that they're not working directly for SHIELD. I like that there's a wall of very gray morality separating the heroes (although, granted, Tony straddles it a bit) from SHIELD and its cover-ups and secrets and such. Fury is positioned to be a great antagonist or ally at any given moment to the Avengers.

- We know pretty well that this show can deliver the scope and huge action required for any Avengers venture (*cough* Bendis, take notes *cough*).

Can't wait to see Cap join and complete the team (in my eyes, anyway; I know Hawkeye and the Black Panther will be along too, but Cap's way more important). I'm very excited for the series after this pilot and the minisode prequels. :up:

[Nathan]

Finally got to watch the 2nd episode. Damn, Gravitron is a beast. I wonder how they'll top such a powerful villain. Maybe with Molecule Man.

[Gamma Burst]

Can't stop watching the episodes!Fantastic stuff.
Thor's display of power was really somehing!

[TheCorpulent1]

Finally got to watch the 2nd episode. Damn, Gravitron is a beast. I wonder how they'll top such a powerful villain. Maybe with Molecule Man.
Well, we know Kang's on the way. Mastery of time trumps mastery of gravity, I think. Plus, there's always the more personal villains who have a vendetta against one of the Avengers. You don't always necessarily have to go bigger.

[the dmg]

Anyone else find it a bit troubling that Iron Man had no problem self-destructing the Vault around everyone save himself, including Hawkeye, who'd just proven that he's trustworthy? I hope the writers are conscious of the fact that that's a morally questionable move and have some of the other Avengers eventually question Tony's judgment, since he's obviously appointed himself leader.
I think with villains, he doesn't hold them in high regard. I also think that Stark also cares more about his tech getting into the wrong hands and being used for evil than it is him having actual moral standards.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but Hawkeye clearly wasn't a villain. Tony didn't give him any time to get out of the building or spare a second thought for him when he skipped over the countdown and just immediately blew the Vault to smithereens.

[terry78]

Hopefully they will address that in continuity, but we'll see. They may be going for jerkass version of IM in this one.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I'm okay with it so long as it's actually a thing and someone calls Iron Man on it. That'd be a pretty good character arc.

[the dmg]

Yeah, but Hawkeye clearly wasn't a villain. Tony didn't give him any time to get out of the building or spare a second thought for him when he skipped over the countdown and just immediately blew the Vault to smithereens.
Hawkeye had a running start didn't he. :woot:

[Iron_Stark]

1- i hate talking hulk. this one's a bit too chatty for me, but not that bad. i can live with him but i hope it's not what we get in the movie

2- yeah, that was weird. even funnier when you think about the moral high horse he was on when he was talking to fury at the end of the 2nd episode. he has no problem blowing up an occupied building

Right? Not a shred of warning or evac time, either. The villains are all like, "Hey, where's he go--" BOOM

jeez, it's just a cartoon, besides why isn't anyone up in arms about Thor blowing a huge hole in the ground with the rest of the team mates being down there or possibly some civilians that worked there.

edit

Wait this is Iron Man we're talking about, everything he does has to be scrutinized and questioned.

[the dmg]

Yeah, I'm okay with it so long as it's actually a thing and someone calls Iron Man on it. That'd be a pretty good character arc.
I'm sure when Hawkeye joins the team, he'll have something to say.

[TheCorpulent1]

jeez, it's just a cartoon, besides why isn't anyone up in arms about Thor blowing a huge hole in the ground with the rest of the team mates being down there or possibly some civilians that worked there.

edit

Wait this is Iron Man we're talking about, everything he does has to be scrutinized and questioned.
That part of the city was evacuated (as evidenced by the fact no one other than the Avengers and Graviton were around in any of the earlier scenes) and the other Avengers-to-be were all on the outskirts of the blast at most. They all looked up afterward and not a one of them was singed or anything, so obviously he missed 'em.

I don't really think the excuse that it's "just a cartoon" means it shouldn't potentially deal with stuff like heroes being willing to kill and stuff. Comics dealt with it when they were still mostly for kids, after all. Plus, that whole scene with Ant-Man and Fury at the end of the premiere seems to indicate that moral questions are indeed a part of the show.

[Iron_Stark]

Ok, I'm not going to get into a debate.

Besides like I said, this is Iron Man we're talking about, him being the leader/prominently shown in the beginning credits/his decisions/him being on the show period are apparently a major cause of concern and scrutiny.


Civil War all over again.

[kguillou]

Just finished watching the premiere, and DAMN! If the premiere didnt sell this cartoon, i dont know what will. The action was RELENTLESS! I had no idea Graviton was such a beast, he just wouldnt stop. I'm glad to see Hulk at least semi-intelligent for once and being acknowledged as a hero, of course i fully expect that to change in the later episodes but for now its nice to see the hulk in this light. Thor is awesome, antman was awesome, Wasp was .....the wasp.

My ONLY gripe, and this is a nitpick, is Tony Stark. His voice is really distracting to me, and im kinda disappointed with the fact that when he's in armor, his voice doesn't have that robotic echo like he usually does in the video games or the movies. Again, its a minor grievance. This is a great start tho, this could easily rival JLU.

[TheCorpulent1]

I like his suit-voice. It's cool and it doesn't distract from the actual lines at all.

[Anubis]

Yes it does. He sounds like a douche in stereo.

[TheCorpulent1]

See? Perfect for Tony! :awesome:

[Anubis]

Touche.

[Chewy]

Wow, so Nolan North and Troy Baker are voicing basically everyone in this

[misjuevos]

I like that they incorporated the HUD inside helmet cam shot. O and wendigo running loose and all I could think of is that Indian song from the animated hulk series.

[TheCorpulent1]

That hud shot is one of the best inventions from the movie. :up: (Unless it came from somewhere else, but I don't remember seeing it before the movie.)

[Chewy]

The eps are definitely on Disney XD's site by the way, don't go the avengers page, just go to disneyxd.com and click on "Video". There should be an Avengers tab near the bottom and the eps are right there

Though you will have to sit through horrible disney commercials

[lixdexia]

Ok, I'm not going to get into a debate.

Besides like I said, this is Iron Man we're talking about, him being the leader/prominently shown in the beginning credits/his decisions/him being on the show period are apparently a major cause of concern and scrutiny.


Civil War all over again.
oh why don't you go cry about it. i don't like iron man, i make no secret of this, so him being the focus of the show isn't something i'm going to enjoy. be prepared for me to complain about everything he does in the show from this point forward. you apparently like iron man, feel free to gush about everything he does. nothing wrong with either one of those.

[weezerspider]

The eps are definitely on Disney XD's site by the way, don't go the avengers page, just go to disneyxd.com and click on "Video". There should be an Avengers tab near the bottom and the eps are right there

Though you will have to sit through horrible disney commercials

Thanks man!

[Gamma Burst]

Btw,Hulk is a beast!Really the stongest one there is :D

[Superhero 101]

I just finally saw tuis show it was really good I liked it a lot the animation is not as bad as I thought it was gonna be the action was good the voice acting was good minus Tony Starks can't wait till the next episode when will they show cap by the way

[lixdexia]

I just finally saw tuis show it was really good I liked it a lot the animation is not as bad as I thought it was gonna be the action was good the voice acting was good minus Tony Starks can't wait till the next episode when will they show cap by the way
not in the next episode, but in the one after that

[misjuevos]

That hud shot is one of the best inventions from the movie. :up: (Unless it came from somewhere else, but I don't remember seeing it before the movie.)

yea i don't think i seen it before the movie either. it really allowed the actor to not just be stuck behind a helmet for the movie. also the effects were cool. for the cartoon it probably wasn't needed, but it's a nice touch.

[Chewy]

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8076/carrt.jpg

Mystery villain guy is Chemistro (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/carrcurtischemistro.htm)

[lixdexia]

yea i don't think i seen it before the movie either. it really allowed the actor to not just be stuck behind a helmet for the movie. also the effects were cool. for the cartoon it probably wasn't needed, but it's a nice touch.
i think that was them adapting the shots of naked tony looking at the hud. i know those were pretty popular in the new avengers before the movie came out.

[smallville fan]

just saw the first two episodes at long last!

I loved it!!!

What was my favourites:

Theme song!! I haven't heard a decent hero theme song since the 90s! I mean Iron Man armored adventures and Superhero squad has got nothing compared to this! This theme song is up there with the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers and X-Men TAS
Iron Man's likeness to Robert Downey Jr, Robert Downey Jr is Iron Man, just like how Tom Welling IS Superman and Christian Bale IS Batman
The action scenes, haven't seen stuff like this since Fox Kids was around! Well done Disney!
Hulk and Bruce Banner's conversation, really like the multiple personalities thing they've got going

Overall this series is Super with a capital: :super:!

[Gamma Burst]

Another great thing was the huge displays of power by Thor.That 'godblast" was fantastic;)

[Jordacar]

I loved Hulk's split personality scene. Hulk's been so one note on his TV appearances for as long as I can remember, but now that he's a regular they can move his character into some new territory.

[Duskbyday]

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8076/carrt.jpg

Mystery villain guy is Chemistro (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/carrcurtischemistro.htm)


Weird I thought it used to say 'CAGE' though this makes much moresense and obviously looks like Carr.

Anyways finally saw both episodes. Personally watching the micros beforehand makes the premiere MUCH better. Its obvious they had a lot to pile in there: Everyones back-story, why they teamed up, the universe etc. Those five episodes fill in all the character dynamics and the world, and without them makes it feel rushed etc. Since they are the first 5 episodes makes the premiere better as a whole. Good strategy there guys! ANYWAYS....

The premiere was really all eye candy joygasmic action for me. All the references and the fight with such an underrated villain like Gravition gives me girlish squeals. Everyone, even Pym who I was worried would be undermined in this got their moments. I hope we get more character interaction, those were the best bits IMO. Prime example of this is Wasp and Hulk :D Few Thoughts:

-Theme tune feels better with the opening, don't know why though.

-Iron man is the leader it seems to be and very like RDJ. No suprise, like the voice though the design isn't my fav so far.

-Life model decoy ftw

-Gravition as shouty and insane as he was was a great threat and an excellent choice for the premiere, not to complex but cool t watch and dangerous to the team. Very good underrated villain here, and I hope they can top that action. Doubt we will see him again though...

- SOOOOO many references, makes me wonder if the kids even care about some of the recurring characters (Paramedic, Samson maybe and so forth). So far I could tell most of the villains except for the one we were all confused about with the shield.

-Thor was badass and my guess is he will be similar in the films. The crater he made I doubt killed any civillians, just maybe exaggerated though or maybe he did it in an evacuated area.

-Wasp is a fav, one of the best characters so far and even if theres not as many females in this, I prefer most to JL (except WW & Huntress). Her teaming up with Hulk was gold. Wonder whats gonna happen about her and Tony knowing eachother.

-Hank is a guilty fav in comics and here, never understood why many hate the guy. Him throwing the boat was :D. Glad he is shown just as powerful as the other members!

- Hulk was everything more than I expected. No banner makes me worried though. Banner is usually the only reason I like the Hulk :(

In all I think the premiere was action packed and a great way to start the series ( though the micros help). Hoping for more character interaction and just as good action later on. Hoping the next episodes are good :awesome:

[Gamma Burst]

-Thor was badass and my guess is he will be similar in the films. The crater he made I doubt killed any civillians, just maybe exaggerated though or maybe he did it in an evacuated area.



Yeah,only the Avengers and Graviton were on that area.
Thor wouldn't risk the lifes of 'mortals' with such a powerful blast.:word:

[Drz]

- The show did a surprisingly great job of giving each character their proper due. Each character got an awesome moment or two and they worked together pretty well to take Graviton down in the end.


Agreed. I was so happy that Thor saved himself from Graviton as an example. Everyone got their prime spotlight and Hulk coming to help the guys was AWESOMESAUCE to the max.

[TheCorpulent1]

I usually can't stand the Hulk, but when he drops down after Graviton declares himself the strongest one there is and goes, "You sure about that?" I damn near got up and cheered. That was just one of many badass moments for him, and none of them even shortchanged other characters to make him look better like usual. :up:

oh why don't you go cry about it. i don't like iron man, i make no secret of this, so him being the focus of the show isn't something i'm going to enjoy. be prepared for me to complain about everything he does in the show from this point forward. you apparently like iron man, feel free to gush about everything he does. nothing wrong with either one of those.
I actually do like Iron Man, I just don't like blatant cash-ins. I don't mind Iron Man leading because that makes sense--his ego is such that he would consider himself the most qualified and capable to lead and just automatically step into that role--but I could do without the whole opening credits being built around him just because his movies made a lot of money.

The morally questionable decisions, on the other hand, seem to be a theme of the show, so it's not even something personal against Tony. Ant-Man calls Fury out on SHIELD's treatment of Graviton at the end of the premiere, so I would think someone should call Tony out on stuff like blowing up a prison full of all kinds of people, including ones who may not be able to survive the blast, and at least one obvious ally. Maybe it'll come to a head in an "Operation: Galactic Storm" or Civil War type of story, where Iron Man and Cap's morals clash over a major decision. I'm not saying that out of hate for Iron Man or wanting to see him be wrong or anything, either; I think that'd be a really interesting story to tackle in the show. It's not like Tony was the only one supporting his own decision in either of those cases--and, hey, the others backing him in "Operation: Galactic Storm" even made sense and everything. ;)

Another great thing was the huge displays of power by Thor.That 'godblast" was fantastic;)
My first thought was "god blast" as well, but I think it was just a whole lot of lightning. I hope they save the god blast for whenever Galactus or a Celestial or, hell, Mangog show up. :hehe:

[Metamorpho1977]

If I remember my Avenger's history, Hawkeye made his debut as a villain.

[TheCorpulent1]

Pretty sure that was just a misunderstanding in the comics, too. He did fight Iron Man during that time, though. Nice little nod to that with both meeting up at the Vault in the show. :up:

[ArtTeacher]

A more intelligent Hulk is always better.

Does this mean you prefer a Banner in control Hulk? You know, a Hulk that uses words like, "hemidemisemiquaver" and "buckminsterfullerene"?

Btw,Hulk is a beast!Really the stongest one there is :D

It's how he is, how he always has been, and how he was conceived to be. I loved it!

Thanks for nothing guys, I'll catch this series when it hits the DVD since I can't watch it or find it. Ciao.

I like how it's our fault that he missed the show. Nice.

"Hey, thanks a lot guys...now I have AIDS. Ciao."

[TheCorpulent1]

Not necessarily Banner-controlled Hulk, although I do like that version. My favorite versions have basically gray-Hulk-level intelligence. I'm particularly fond of the Bannerless version who got left behind in the normal Marvel universe when Banner got sucked over to the Heroes Reborn universe.

[TheCorpulent1]

Watching the premiere episodes again. I'm noticing a lot of little touches now, like the lady struggling to get out of her car while Thor and Jane talk and the echo to Hank's voice when he grows to the size of a skyscraper. And--dear lord, help me--I think the theme song is actually growing on me. :csad:

[misjuevos]

I still don't like the theme song but found myself singing it, dammit! Also the airbag deploys on that person in the car probably broke their nose.

[TheCorpulent1]

Heh, Jane's being a really bad EMT there. :D

The theme song got stuck in my head last night, too. I hated it, but it just kept playing over and over. I even found myself whistling it. Then I watched the episodes again this morning at work and actually kind of liked it a little bit. What's happening to me? :csad:

[kguillou]

I said the same thing about the spectacular Spiderman theme song and ended up loving it after about 5 episodes. Although i cant lie, the "Radioactive Spiderman" theme song from the 90's still gives me goosebumps.

As for the hulk, its nice to see him in control a bit. It makes the character more interesting and not some dumb "Me am hulk" creature. I'm very much looking forward t seeing the character work they do with him on the show.

[TheCorpulent1]

I still hate the Spectacular Spider-Man theme song.

[CaptainStacy]

yeah, that was kinda cool:yay:

i hope they add in some more ladies though, 1 is not enough. we know we're getting mocking bird later, but when do we get scarlet witch?

I'd like to see Ms. Marvel, and Photon as well...maybe She-Hulk...

[Panthro]

Would everyone prefer a more orchestral style theme like Wolverine & the X-Men had?

[OB12]

I like how they have made Hank and Jan interesting characters. Hank is a standup guy, of high moral fiber who is really an advocate for these supervillians. You genuinely sense that he wants to help them turn their lives around. Jan is super-likeable, easily the most endearing character on the show thus far.

Hank: "Hall, you're very sick, you need help!"
Jan: ". . . or possibly more zapping."

Awesome

[kguillou]

I still hate the Spectacular Spider-Man theme song.

Aw your a hater Corp. :woot:

[TheCorpulent1]

Of that terrible theme song, yes.

I like how they have made Hank and Jan interesting characters. Hank is a standup guy, of high moral fiber who is really an advocate for these supervillians. You genuinely sense that he wants to help them turn their lives around. Jan is super-likeable, easily the most endearing character on the show thus far.

Hank: "Hall, you're very sick, you need help!"
Jan: ". . . or possibly more zapping."

Awesome
Heh, Jan's kung fu pose was awesome in that scene. :D

[Chewy]

So far I could tell most of the villains except for the one we were all confused about with the shield.
That's Chemistro with his costume on

[lixdexia]

I still hate the Spectacular Spider-Man theme song.you know you love it.

I'd like to see Ms. Marvel, and Photon as well...maybe She-Hulk...i think she hulk will likely pop up. they seem to love hulk characters so she'll probaqbly show up for an episode or 2, i don't think they'll keep 2 hulks on the team full time though

Would everyone prefer a more orchestral style theme like Wolverine & the X-Men had?yes. but to be honest, if they just took the singing out of this one it'd be fine.

That's Chemistro with his costume on
definitive answer? proof?

[Chewy]

It shows him (with his "CARR" nametag) and Whiplash running over to put on their costumes right before Hawkeye punches him out. They and Living Laser, who already had his costume on were the only ones who ran in right then

And look at the mask design:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3175/211zim.jpghttp://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/141322-76421-chemistro.jpg

[lixdexia]

works for me. good job chewy:up:

[TheVileOne]

Also if you notice that character was the black inmate with the orange inmate jumpsuit that was let into the armory along with the female Whiplash before putting on his armor suit. Hawkeye then went into the armory and punched the guy out and got his bow and arrows.

[TheVileOne]

Hank Pym as this bleeding heart, naive scientist is pretty interesting I think.

[RealIrOnMaN]

It shows him (with his "CARR" nametag) and Whiplash running over to put on their costumes right before Hawkeye punches him out. They and Living Laser, who already had his costume on were the only ones who ran in right then

And look at the mask design:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3175/211zim.jpghttp://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/141322-76421-chemistro.jpg
Good job, detective)

[TheVileOne]

Everyone take notice that Iron Man sent Doctor Doom an ultimatum through his underling?

He then told Pepper, "Guess who I ticked off today, his name rhymes with BOOM."

[misjuevos]

Would everyone prefer a more orchestral style theme like Wolverine & the X-Men had?

not really, i liked the x-men animated series theme song better. still play that on my guitar. i did however like the sentinels attacking the city in w&xm opening. the song in this show is just too bubblegum for me. but i can look past a theme song since the show is really good.

[TheCorpulent1]

Everyone take notice that Iron Man sent Doctor Doom an ultimatum through his underling?

He then told Pepper, "Guess who I ticked off today, his name rhymes with BOOM."
Yeah, it's been mentioned a few times. I didn't realize who the chick at the beginning was initially, but the second time I watched it, it clicked. Lucia Von Bardas was the Prime Minister of Latveria during Secret War, while Doom was still trapped in Hell after the events of the "Unthinkable" arc in Fantastic Four. :up:

[lixdexia]

ok, so we've got shield cameos/roles for maria hill, jimmy woo, and clay quartermain...wheres the love for sharron carter?

[TheCorpulent1]

Wait until Cap comes along. :)

[Savage]

ok, so we've got shield cameos/roles for maria hill, jimmy woo, and clay quartermain...wheres the love for sharron carter?

For some reason I assumed that was the blonde in the jet Hulk saved in one of the micro-episodes but I guess that could have been any blonde. For one thing I don't think Sharon Carter had freckles.

Looks like they're making room for love interests at least so I'm expecting an appearance from her.

Think there's any room for Winter Soldier after the way Bucky went out? His death on the show this time seemed kind of...final. Maybe he'll have a cyborg leg instead of an arm?

[TheCorpulent1]

The blonde in the aircraft was actually Bobbi Morse, another prominent SHIELD agent who eventually becomes Mockingbird and marries Hawkeye.

I think the Winter Soldier is a good possibility. The shout-outs to more recent comics are numerous already--Maria Hill, Lucia Von Bardas, the jailbreak plot, etc.--so I think anything from the modern era is as much fair game as anything from the Silver Age.

[lixdexia]

For some reason I assumed that was the blonde in the jet Hulk saved in one of the micro-episodes but I guess that could have been any blonde. For one thing I don't think Sharon Carter had freckles.

Looks like they're making room for love interests at least so I'm expecting an appearance from her.

Think there's any room for Winter Soldier after the way Bucky went out? His death on the show this time seemed kind of...final. Maybe he'll have a cyborg leg instead of an arm?
that was bobbie morse, mocking bird

[RealIrOnMaN]

For some reason I assumed that was the blonde in the jet Hulk saved in one of the micro-episodes but I guess that could have been any blonde. For one thing I don't think Sharon Carter had freckles.
It's Mockingbird. Hawkeye's love interest.

[Savage]

Ah. I must be the only one that didn't notice. How could you guys tell? Was it the freckles or did you IMDB it? If Clint yelled Bobbi I need to re-watch the ep.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Ah. I must be the only one that didn't notice. How could you guys tell? Was it the freckles or did you IMDB it? If Clint yelled Bobbi I need to re-watch the ep.
Yep, he yelled "MORSE!".

[TheCorpulent1]

So how do you think Cap's return is going to go down? I think, in keeping with the SHIELD/heroes divide the show has set up, Cap might be duped into working for SHIELD initially because of his patriotism. Fury will give him the whole spiel about serving his country again, but Cap will ultimately realize that times have changed, the government-appointed guys aren't all they're cracked up to be, and he can do more good as an independent agent with the Avengers. I don't think they'll have it be as simple as the Avengers discovering Cap's body and he just automatically joins them when he wakes up.

[RealIrOnMaN]

So how do you think Cap's return is going to go down? I think, in keeping with the SHIELD/heroes divide the show has set up, Cap might be duped into working for SHIELD initially because of his patriotism. Fury will give him the whole spiel about serving his country again, but Cap will ultimately realize that times have changed, the government-appointed guys aren't all they're cracked up to be, and he can do more good as an independent agent with the Avengers. I don't think they'll have it be as simple as the Avengers discovering Cap's body and he just automatically joins them when he wakes up.
You said it, bro!

[lixdexia]

i think the avengers will find him, he work with them because they're the only people he knows, they run inot an issue shield is also working on and cap with start an awkward relationship with shield

[weezerspider]

Are there action figures for this series? Im just curious.

[lixdexia]

Are there action figures for this series? Im just curious.
reportedly, we just haven't seen them yet

[TheCorpulent1]

I just noticed, right before the intro shows the actual Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes title, it's got a group shot. Right now it's just the founders, but I was searching for that group shot online and found this one with Hawkeye, Black Panther, and Cap added in:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/Avengers-Assemble-Marvel-debuts-Avengers-Earths-Mightiest-Heroes.jpg

I wonder if that's just a promotional image or if they're going to add to the intro's group shot as more permanent members join the team...

[TheVileOne]

No action figures have been shown or announced yet. Maybe around Toy Fair 2011 we will start seeing something.

[lixdexia]

No action figures have been shown or announced yet. Maybe around Toy Fair 2011 we will start seeing something.
supposedly they were shown at the nycc panel

[TheVileOne]

Really? I just hope they are 5" scale. I hate the 4" scale style.

[Duskbyday]

Good work Chewy! And to think I had a feeling it was taskmaster :P

[RealIrOnMaN]

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[Chewy]

I just noticed, right before the intro shows the actual Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes title, it's got a group shot. Right now it's just the founders, but I was searching for that group shot online and found this one with Hawkeye, Black Panther, and Cap added in:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/thecorpulent1/Avengers-Assemble-Marvel-debuts-Avengers-Earths-Mightiest-Heroes.jpg

I wonder if that's just a promotional image or if they're going to add to the intro's group shot as more permanent members join the team...
Supposedly that full group shot shows up in the intro for the first five episodes, so I'd imagine they'll add CA/BP/HE to it as they join the team

[EternalMaster]

I have a feeling that BP will eventually leave the team when they help him reclaim the throne of Wakanda. Maybe in season 2?

[Chewy]

Yeah, I kind of see Panther and Hulk only sticking around for a season as main characters. And hopefully the Maximoffs join early next season.

[DawnWarrior]

Yeah, I kind of see Panther and Hulk only sticking around for a season as main characters. And hopefully the Maximoffs join early next season.
That'll give 'em time to decide whether W&TXM is in continuity or not.

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KreXlPjk_ms - this stuff never gets bad) Want to see something similar to this in EMH soon.

[nogap87]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KreXlPjk_ms - this stuff never gets bad) Want to see something similar to this in EMH soon.

I like how Thor doesn't even bother to fight Cap.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I kind of see Panther and Hulk only sticking around for a season as main characters. And hopefully the Maximoffs join early next season.
That would be good. They need more ladies on the team. I hope She-Hulk takes over if the Hulk ever leaves. :up:

[Gamma Burst]

My first thought was "god blast" as well, but I think it was just a whole lot of lightning. I hope they save the god blast for whenever Galactus or a Celestial or, hell, Mangog show up. :hehe:

It was just a huge lightining bolt,indeed.:word:
Man,I'd love to see Mangog in later episodes!

[Longshot777]

This sunday 10/24, they will air the first 5 episodes of the Avengers:

1. Ironman is born
2. Thor the Mighty
3. Hulk vs. the World
4. Meet Captain America
5. Man in the Ant Hill

Then the listing for eps. 8-11

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"Some Assmbly Required" 10/27 is that the Hulk vs. Avengers??

"Living Legend" 11/3 Captain America

"Everything is Wonderful" 11/10 ???

"Panther's Quest" 11/17 Black Panther

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[TheCorpulent1]

Wouldn't surprise me if the Hulk fights the Avengers in the next episode. He fought them (with Namor) in the second issue of the comics--primarily because Iron Man was a jerk to him, and Iron Man's even more of a jerk in the show. :awesome:

[Gamma Burst]

Wouldn't surprise me if the Hulk fights the Avengers in the next episode. He fought them (with Namor) in the second issue of the comics--primarily because Iron Man was a jerk to him, and Iron Man's even more of a jerk in the show. :awesome:

That's exactly what the next episode is gonna be about,mate.But it's Enchantress who turns the Hulk agains them.:word:

[Anubis]

Only I'm assuming this time he doesn't quit.

[terry78]

Only I'm assuming this time he doesn't quit.

I suspect we'll get at least one arc during this season or an upcoming season where he does quit or something in a finale due to his just being pissed at them constantly treating him as a monster, or he loses his temper and they oust him, only to have him come back in a later ep.

[Gamma Burst]

Yeah,probably not.

[Dread]

Funny thing, "THE BREAK OUT". Technically, it is the first two full length episodes of AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES. But in terms of the story, they all take place after the first 20 micro episodes, which add up to 5 episodes of air time. After all, Josh Fine stated outright that Season 1 would only have 21 full length episodes, since the micro's counted as five. Which, to broach the topic, is perfectly fair. It still adds up to 26 episodes worth of animation on DVD for the inevitable box set (that will likely come after one disc collections, as always). And it is only recently that seasons of comic book TV cartoons added up to more than 13 episodes. Every season of TEEN TITANS, LEGION OF SUPER HEROES, and JLU had 13 episodes (not JL, but they had two part stories). SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN had 13 episodes a season, and that show ended last year. The most episodes any season of X-MEN EVOLUTION had was about 18 episodes (Season 2), and that was made up by the 4th and final season only having nine episodes. Therefore, even 21 episodes wouldn't have been fair to complain about for a single season, and we've gotten more. In effect, though, "THE BREAK OUT" is really the two part saga after episode 5, to be episodes 6-7. For someone who has watched all 20 micro's, that perfectly fine. If you haven't, though, this two parter will be richer if you do. And Marvel & Disney XD have made it easy; you can watch them all legally on their websites; even THE BREAKOUT is available in both parts on Disney XD's main website, if you can navigate it and endure a few commercials at every break (not unlike NBC's website). Even YouTube offers all of the micro's legally.

But whether it acts as episodes 1-2 or 6-7, the bottom line is "THE BREAK OUT" is pretty damn good. I said up and down for months that this show couldn't be a show that fell apart if you picked at the flaws, as I believed WOLVERINE & THE X-MEN did. It had to deliver on everything, not JUST comedy or JUST interaction, but that AND action and plot, which FANTASTIC FOUR: WORLD'S GREATEST HEROES couldn't claim (the action was always mediocre, and the last 16 episodes are better than the first ten). SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN was excellent from the start, but that was a Greg Weisman jam, not a production of the "Marvel Animation brain trust" that includes types like Chris Yost and Josh Fine. I was curious how Yost would handle being the main guy behind writing a show, rather than being the sidekick to Craig Kyle. At this point I'd say not only is Yost passing with flying colors, but he should have done more work on his own years ago. Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised; Yost wrote a damn lot of the 2k3 version of the TMNT show (I think at least 15-18 episodes), and that show (until the FAST FORWARD era) was consistently great. The micro-episodes were great, but this two part debut builds upon them while blowing them out of the water - all but literally.

The theme song, "Fight As One", is...still neither the best nor worst song I have ever heard. It's one of those industrial rock style tunes that tries to sound current but also suffers from that. It doesn't have a timeless quality to it, I feel. It's sort of like LINKIN PARK; you may feel it is great when you're 15, but as your tastes change, it doesn't sound as good as it used to. The instrumental version, without lyrics, that plays with the credits is actually superior to me. It's performed by a group called "Bad City". It's not as catchy as the theme to SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN, but music is always subjective. One might argue that while you want an all ages show, a song that appeals more to 15 year old's than 28 year old's isn't so bad. The interesting thing to note about the opening is that it ends with a shot of the Avengers all standing together. I've seen several versions of this show in the promotions; some include Cap and Hawkeye, and some don't. This one simply includes the heroes who unite here. So I am curious if this bit will change after they recruit each member, or after the roster shifts. That's a pain to do, as the intro animation is often the first animation that is completed, but that extra touch is cool. I liked it when the 2k3 TMNT show would occasionally update their intro to be relevant to the season. It's common with some anime shows, although not all.

The status quo of the show continues not long after micro episode #20. Iron Man apprehends some AIM agents trying to secure an illegal arms deal with his tech to Latveria, which is represented by Lucia Von Bardos (a minor character from recent years that Yost likes, as she was Dr. Doom's main underling in FF:WGH). Doom isn't mentioned by name, but he's implied very heavily ("rhymes with 'Boom'."). They're taken to the Vault, one of Nick Fury's four super-prisons, but as the Mad Thinker said in the last micro (and again to Hank Pym here), a jail break is inevitable. It seems that Nick Fury's plan was to contain as many super-human criminals as possible, both for containment and study. The Cube, for instance, is devoted to gamma-mutates like the Hulk and his enemies, under the authority of Dr. Leonard Samson (voiced by, believe it or not, the legendary Cam Clarke). Bruce Banner himself (voiced by Gabriel Mann, the credits say) doesn't buy Samson's line about them being there to be cured; he's seen that the military wants weapons, not cures. The power to all four prisons go out at once, which naturally sparks a break-out of virtually every villain that the world's heroes have ever apprehended, either during the micro's (like Whirlwind or Absorbing Man) or before. This naturally includes Hawkeye (Chris Cox), who during the micro's was set up as a HYDRA double agent by Black Widow (who is a HYDRA double agent).

The characters until this point had gone along their own separate paths. Thor is still very much a solo hero, who shirks duty at Asgard because he tires of the perpetual cycle there and prefers the finality of earth, or "Midguard" - "Here, EVERYTHING matters." And, privately, he is quite smitten with Jane Foster (Kari Wahlgren; not to be confused with Kari Wuhner, who voices Maria Hill). For a guy who has literally withstood a building falling on him, it was actually adorable seeing him trying to hide his fondness for "the mortal", and then later have a cute drink of iced tea together as pedestrians look on. It does help that Jane Foster is actually very cute here (without seeming like a weak or helpless character; quite the opposite). Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne are working with SHIELD to maintain their shrunken prison, the Big House; while Pym is like Samson, there to study and try to rehabilitate, the Wasp has grown bored with being the financial side of a scientist and wants to go out and do more. The "classified" and "dramatic" side of SHIELD, though, does not thrill her. And Iron Man is still in his lone hero phase, working alone, not cooperating with anyone but himself, and trying to juggle being an armored hero and an eccentric CEO at once.

Things go pear-shaped, and badly. Every villain sees the chance and escapes at once; the Big House grows to normal size, and brings down the Helicarrier with it. But it seems that the 4th prison, the Raft, is where the most dangerous villains were housed - such as Baron Zemo, Purple Man, Wendigo, and the arc's featured villain, Graviton (Fred Tasaciore, who also voices Hulk). Listing every villain who shows up is difficult even after two viewings, but it is easy to say that Yost seemed to shove in as many names from the ol' Official Handbook as possible, as in the micro's. Just listing the villains who have notable screen time would include a roster such as Abomination, Leader, Absorbing Man, Zzrrax, Whiplash (the lady version), Griffen, Whirlwind, Mandrill, Constrictor, Grey Gargoyle, Wrecker, Red Ghost (and his Super-Apes), King Cobra, and more! The villains take no mercy on the SHIELD soldiers haplessly trying to contain them, as bits with Griffen and Gargoyle more than show. Individually, all of the heroes either react to the crisis or are caught in the middle of it. As the story unfolds, they overlap more until in the second episode, they all unite.

Iron Man tries to contain the affair at the Vault, and while Hawkeye actually claims his gear and wants to help (acting very much as a SHIELD special operative), Iron Man has no idea who he is and just calls him "Arrow Guy" if memory serves. He thinks he can handle the situation on his own, but is quickly dogpiled and overwhelmed by Blizzard, Crimson Dynamo and Living Laser (who all look and sound great). Hawkeye actually saves Iron Man, but Stark's view was blocked by smoke (and ice that was over his helmet briefly) and doesn't seem to register it as he quickly orders the base to self-destruct. Granted, Tony was also being a bit desperate and reckless; the SHIELD agents had cleared out, but almost being killed by a triple team is a reasonable excuse to freak out a bit. He retreats to a farm (and to the eyes of a stunned farmer) for a fresh suit of armor. The Cube also goes nuts, and while the Leader (a brilliant Jeffery Combs) quickly seems to take charge of the affair, Zzrax (or however you spell it) goes on the attack, and Samson has been exposed to gamma-radiation. It's naturally a different take on Samson's origin, bit I thought it worked quite well. While it boosts his strength (and makes his hair and eyes green, and lengthens his hair the stronger he gets), he's not experienced and injured by the electric monster. I was a bit amazed that being crushed by a ceiling didn't get Banner angry enough to become the Hulk, but it took Samson being dropped to do it; guess it looks more heroic that way, or shows Banner's character more. The Hulk saves Samson (after a brief fight with Absorbing Man and Abomination) before jumping off and dumping him into a very surprised diner. The interesting thing here is that apparently Banner can talk to the Hulk, at least subconsciously; it's handled in a "FIGHT CLUB" way in which Hulk will talk back, but to everyone else he'll just seem crazy, chatting to himself. That's a good angle; the Hulk has always been a sort of mix between a monster like the Frankenstein one merged with Mr. Hyde, and I think this is a nice way to show it in a cartoon without it being too complicated. As those who were at this year's SDCC noted, the two strike a sort of psychic deal; the Hulk tries to act more heroic, in exchange for remaining active without transforming back into Banner.

Pym is forced to fight back to defend himself from the Big House inmates, and is eventually joined by Wasp in his struggle. Graviton escaping the Raft and literally ripping it right out of New York harbor, however, immediately becomes the primary crisis. Cue episode two. Interestingly, while the origins for most of the heroes and villains haven't been told per say, either on the premise that movies covered them (Hulk and Iron Man) or that they're obvious (Thor is the Asgardian god himself, duh), Yost & Co. know that Graviton isn't very well known and thus an origin sequence detailing how he got to this state is rolled out in rapid, flawless transition. Franklin Hall was just another brilliant, if not fanatically arrogant, scientist employed by Nick Fury to try to duplicate the super-soldier process and create superhumans. Hall's zealous lab tactics turn him into one, but his ability to control "one of the four elements of reality itself" makes him into a threat at least as big as a Magneto type figure. He's immediately gassed upon waking up in the medical bay of SHIELD and is imprisoned for 6-10 years; this does nothing for his temperament. If any character is shown to be morally gray, it is Nick Fury here, who has seemingly created at least some of the menaces here. Naturally, one never knows if they are talking to the real Fury or an LMD (which is perhaps a new feature after Grim Reaper and Baron Strucker almost killed the genuine article in the micro-episodes). Graviton is a complete RED ALERT megalomaniac, raving like a madman about how powerful he is and then doing stuff like literally ripping Manhattan Island into the air; last time that happened, it was in a TMNT video game. All of the heroes unite to fight him.

Graviton in the comics is an often underutilized villain; a guy who could legitimately threaten the entire planet, but via not showing up and doing much for years at a time, he's second fiddle to types like Bullseye, who is almost a house hold name. He couldn't have had a better introduction and set up here. Yost & Co. figured if there was any single threat who could get the Avengers to have to mobilize for the first time besides Loki, it was someone like Graviton, who has battled rosters of the team before and more than held his own. Most of the second episode is an epic battle with Graviton, at least as cool as anything from DC animation for several years (especially on TV). Every member of the initial roster gets a moment to shine against him, even Wasp (because, apparently, it is harder to concentrate on something tiny zapping you than it is to focus on Thor). It is displayed very clearly that none of them are a match for Graviton alone, as he can pin Thor to the bottom of the ocean or punt Iron Man into orbit. The Hulk arrives at an amusing, if still obvious juncture, and I wondered how this would come off. While his arrival is the obvious turning part of the battle, he doesn't hog it. In fact, one would have to think about who had the true "critical" action. Was it the Hulk arriving? Pym finding a useful trick with ants? Or Thor's finishing attack that would make Goku proud? The battle was epic; at least as good as many battles from the animated DTV's (if not better), and on Disney XD no less. JUSTICE LEAGUE had decent action, which didn't start to improve and become legendary until season two; this show didn't wait nearly that long to dish out the great stuff. If anything, this "pilot" leaves you wondering if anything can top it in terms of action. And that's good; you want a pilot, whether technical or not, to knock you off your socks and seem like the best thing ever. It's what convinces a network to order the rest of the season, after all. I sure as hell would draft millions if I had it for more based on this.

It ends with the Avengers naturally assembling, and Wasp retaining her role in naming the team. Happily, the team are NOT agents of SHIELD and if anything this two-parter cements to them the idea of being independent of them (while still helping out, naturally).

I tried to describe the premiere with as many words as I could muster, but even all that text doesn't do it justice. It must be seen to be believed and appreciated. Right now the only voice in the starring cast who I am still not adjusted to yet is Eric Loomis as Stark/Iron Man. He sounds better with Iron Man's mechanical effect than he does without it, which is fine when you have Iron Man active a lot. He certainly sounds like he is trying to sound like a younger Robert Downy Jr., but maybe it is because I spent most of my life hearing other Iron Man voices (especially Richard Hayes). He's not bad and does a good job, and he handles the quips very well. Everyone else I don't have a problem with. I've settled into Rick Wasserman's Thor very quickly, and it's nice hearing Fred Tatasciore having more to say as Hulk besides some brilliant screams and a few words. Colleen O'Shaughnessy all but steals the show as Wasp, but as the episode moved on I found myself increasingly impressed with Wally Wingert's Hank Pym. Alex Desert, naturally, is a good Nick Fury and I'd be writing an IMDB column if I listed everyone. I love how this is an Avengers show and thus the entire world of the Marvel Universe seems to be unfolding and displayed like layers of an onion the more you do, as the micro's did. Some segments are clearly Iron Man segments, and others the Hulk, or Thor, but they all come together as a cohesive whole. And much as with SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN, the show seems to have good instincts on what to take from the comics, what to homage, and what to try to tweak or modernize with. Nick Fury's skin color really isn't a huge deal, really, and it's great to have all those agents show up that we know, like Jimmy Woo, or Clay Quartermain, or Maria Hill. Samson's origin here is fine and so is Graviton's. The action is great and the threats made real and established without it needing to be a gore fest (one can only imagine what Griffen did to those poor SHIELD grunts he pulled into the shadows). Nick Fury is shown as a morally gray character without being unsympathetic or a fanatic. And while there is some angst, it's nowhere near the level one might expect of a Spidey or X-Men show. The Avengers, Iron Man especially, defend the Hulk when SHIELD wants to arrest him, noting how he saved all their lives. Hulk's initially surprised when the Avengers start to help him, which leads to a nice bit from Wasp. The storyboarding here is very strong; you don't get good action without skilled people at the storyboards.

The only major characters who don't appear are Captain America, who is still at the bottom of the ocean frozen, and Black Panther, who is likely occupied. Black Widow has a silent cameo, as do no end of characters, including Luke Cage during the jailbreak.

I was impressed with the micro-episodes; I am absolutely thrilled with these two episodes.

[TheCorpulent1]

I just flipped through that issue for kicks. Turns out I remembered wrong; it was actually Thor who was a total dick to the Hulk. He complained about the Hulk showing up to their meetings in rags all the time. :funny:

[Dread]

(A sign I liked something was when a review breaks the 20k character limit)

The teaser for the next episode seems to imply that Amora "enchants" the Hulk to have him attack the team. Some might grumble that "it is too soon" or "we saw this in ULTIMATE AVENGERS", but to me it makes perfect sense. In the comics, the Phantom Stranger appeared and turned the team against themselves, which drove off the Hulk, in issue two. TWO. So having Amora, who is already established from the micro's, attempt to do something similar by the second Avengers adventure here is, if anything, faithful. The animation is great for a TV show (which, unless you are "THE SIMPSONS", often have far low budgets than film or DTV's, just look at what FILMATION used to do in the 80's) and to be honest I an racking my brain trying to find some major flaw with this two parter, and I can't think of anything beyond some very very minor concerns. I do hope the next time we see Hawkeye, he gripes about Stark almost blowing him up in the Vault. And I hope that guy Hawkeye sucker-punched was a redesigned Crossfire or someone else and not a horribly redesigned Taskmaster. Since the next episode deals with a "Hulk turns on the team" style plot, so that will be a test of whether Thor really will be a rival with him or not. He is so far, though, so it would be unfair to assume stuff before I see it, this time.

Ultron exists as a series of robots run by an AI that Pym invented, and it is likely that it will go evil and become the menace we all know eventually. What works well is the subplot angle, introducing Ultron as something else and (likely) building towards another threat over time. TSSM was a master at this and it is good to see A:EMH start to do so, as well. I liked how all of the characters were portrayed. Thor is perhaps the most powerful hero on the team (even if Hulk is physically stronger), but while he does have issues with Odin and lives for combat, he isn't humorless and can even be...shy. Hank Pym is eccentric enough to be a scientist who works with ants or size altering but still noble enough to be a hero. Wasp lives up to Yost's personal claim that she was a character to watch, and almost steals every scene she is in. Iron Man acts like you'd expect him to, with arrogance and snappy one liners, but he's learning how to compromise when he has to here. And as someone who has never been the biggest Hulk fan, I like the version portrayed here. He isn't so powerful that his battles become boring, and he doesn't talk like Bizarro. Every version of the Hulk that displayed either or both of these traits I liked more than the default Hulk, such as "the Professor" or Joe Fixit or "Green Skaar". Keeping the version from the 60's, who could speak in complete sentences, but was just perpetually surly and hot tempered (Wolverine before Wolverine, as it were), was a wise move. None of the supporting characters feel wasted and it seems in every scene there is a Marvel character.

Even though no one person or even one production team makes a TV series, I often feel that it can leave an impression. When I was finished with WOLVERINE & THE X-MEN, I got the feeling that the people who made it loved Wolverine, and the X-Men, in that order. But in watching these 7 episodes worth of material from A:EMH, I get the feeling that not only the people who made it love the Avengers, but love the Marvel Universe. There's no hand wringing about the elements that may seem bizarre or garish, but an embracing of them. Not even Banner is whining about how miserable it is to be super-human; if there is any angst, it's between Thor and his father, and even that is relatively minor compared to, say, the average Rogue episode of an X-Men show, nor does it cause Thor to always be perpetually miserable and incapable of a good time. Naturally, the X-Men and the Avengers are often two different styles of thing, and that's good that this is established. Quite frankly, the comic books would be better off if more characters weren't finding new ways to be miserable all the time. Angst has become such short-hand for quality that I genuinely believe some writers have no idea how to do character interaction without misery or angst doled out by the truck-load, because they have never seen it. A:EMH does not suffer from that; it is a fun show to watch, but that does not mean there is never any danger, or suspense, or even horror, without offending Disney XD's censor board. Of course, I would imagine since Disney & Marvel are basically in bed together, A:EMH may have more leeway on this network than it may have had on, say, a network owned by WB, but that's perfectly fine.

JLU was a show that I see as a veteran athlete; one who struggled during the rookie season and had some slumps and streaks after, before settling into a groove. The only way to really outshine that is for an athlete to begin as a prodigy and then either never suffer a major slump or even exceed expectations when it counts. So far, AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES is looking very much like it will more than live up to it's mighty title. With Greg Weisman's latest classic-in-waiting another month away from debuting, A:EMH has captured the stage and already has the crowd roaring for another encore. There is always stuff that rewards multiple views, as the best shows have.

Who was Cap fighting in the 1940's? Do I even care anymore? :D

[lixdexia]

and here i was begining to think you'd forgotten about the show dread

[Gamma Burst]

Since the next episode deals with a "Hulk turns on the team" style plot, so that will be a test of whether Thor really will be a rival with him or not. He is so far, though, so it would be unfair to assume stuff before I see it, this time.



What do you mean?

[TheCorpulent1]

Power levels. Right now, after the minisodes and the premiere, it seems like Thor might, for the first time in an adaptation outside of comics, be able to give the Hulk a good fight or even maybe beat him. Presumably, with the Hulk fighting the rest of the team next episode, we'll get a chance to see how Thor actually fares in a fight against him.

Personally, my money's still on Thor getting trounced. Maybe not as bad as he usually does, but he's still gonna get his ass kicked. The perception that the Hulk can easily mop the floor with Thor has been around for far too long to casually be ignored for this cartoon.

[Dread]

and here i was begining to think you'd forgotten about the show dread

Far from it. :D

What do you mean?

What I meant was before this episode debuted, and especially before the micro episodes began, there was some concern, from myself and others, that the Hulk would steal the show and clearly be shown as the most powerful one. That makes a team show very boring. Plus, fans of Thor tire of a dynamic where the Hulk seems to always overpower or outshine him in comics. This two parter put to rest that fear for now, and the next will likely, hopefully bury it.

In the old days, Hulk and Thor were rivals (or fans saw them as rivals) because it was never clear which of them was the more unstoppable force. A rivalry doesn't work if one side is clearly shown to be a better man; the Wolverine/Cyclops rivalry suffered, to put it mildly, by the execution of this not being the best in WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN. But as of now, the execution of this dynamic between Hulk and Thor is being handled well. The Hulk is stronger than Thor, and this is established, but Thor is not weaker in terms of strength to that vast a degree, and has many other things he can do. Both of them are mighty and both have their moments without it being obvious one is greater. That's what I meant. That's the best way to do it.

[Gamma Burst]

I see...Let's hope it will be not the case this time...

[Chewy]

Here's Disney XD's schedule for the next week. (http://toonzone.net/schedule/index.php?browseNetworkID=17) They're replaying these episodes a lot for anyone with XD that wants to watch them, and they're showing the first five episodes a couple of time too.

[weezerspider]

I hope Hulk doesn't leave, he is freaking sick in this show. I love all the Hulk Villains in Breakout. Zaxx, Leader, Abomination and The Absorbing Man. I really like Antman and I think they are doing a really good job with him. I've always felt the media outside of comics have never made Antman as cool as he should be. He is really doing some cool things in his fighting in this show.

[MarvelWarrior]

I'm pretty sure Cap, Wasp, Antman, Hulk, Thor, and Iron Man will always be on the team since they are the core. Panther and Hawkeye will probably be replaced. Any word on toys? Like what scale they'll be and if we'll see them?

[nogap87]

I hope this show lasts long enough to do a proper adaption of Secret Wars. It's one of my favorite crossovers and "Spider-Man: The Animated Series" butchered it.

[Duskbyday]

Jeffery Combs as Leader is one of the best voices in the entire show, he just steals the spotlightlight every time :awesome: The main cast obviously have great actors too, just leader had a great presence already in one scene!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7dvJWT2UXc&feature=channel the clip is all the main villains in the first 13 episodes I bet excluding Klaw.

My guess for the Everything is Wonderful episode is it's Wonderman or the Masters Of Evil, maybe both! If not then either Kang or Loki (still think it's Zemo or Wonderman though).

[Gamma Burst]

Jeffery Combs as Leader is one of the best voices in the entire show, he just steals the spotlightlight every time :awesome: The main cast obviously have great actors too, just leader had a great presence already in one scene!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7dvJWT2UXc&feature=channel the clip is all the main villains in the first 13 episodes I bet excluding Klaw.

My guess for the Everything is Wonderful episode is it's Wonderman or the Masters Of Evil, maybe both! If not then either Kang or Loki (still think it's Zemo or Wonderman though).

Have to agree with you. Mr. Re-Animator is great as the Leader!

[KBX]

Well one could assume with Hulk getting 2 episodes for the mid-season finale based on him and his villains, that might be Hulks last appearance for a while. Thats if they decided for him to leave the team. He was awesome the 2nd episode, but he may play the the part of "less is more" sort of speak. Have him in bits and pieces, so we enjoy him a lot more when he does show up.

So what are the chances that Black Widow and Hydra are not the ones responsible for the break out?

[EternalMaster]

Chances are pretty good that Loki did it, as has been theorized by several people here.

Odin is sleeping. With Thor busy on Earth, Asgard is easy pickings.

[EvilClareToo]

(A sign I liked something was when a review breaks the 20k character limit)

The teaser for the next episode seems to imply that Amora "enchants" the Hulk to have him attack the team. Some might grumble that "it is too soon" or "we saw this in ULTIMATE AVENGERS", but to me it makes perfect sense. In the comics, the Phantom Stranger appeared and turned the team against themselves, which drove off the Hulk, in issue two. TWO. So having Amora, who is already established from the micro's, attempt to do something similar by the second Avengers adventure here is, if anything, faithful. The animation is great for a TV show (which, unless you are "THE SIMPSONS", often have far low budgets than film or DTV's, just look at what FILMATION used to do in the 80's) and to be honest I an racking my brain trying to find some major flaw with this two parter, and I can't think of anything beyond some very very minor concerns. I do hope the next time we see Hawkeye, he gripes about Stark almost blowing him up in the Vault. And I hope that guy Hawkeye sucker-punched was a redesigned Crossfire or someone else and not a horribly redesigned Taskmaster. Since the next episode deals with a "Hulk turns on the team" style plot, so that will be a test of whether Thor really will be a rival with him or not. He is so far, though, so it would be unfair to assume stuff before I see it, this time.

Ultron exists as a series of robots run by an AI that Pym invented, and it is likely that it will go evil and become the menace we all know eventually. What works well is the subplot angle, introducing Ultron as something else and (likely) building towards another threat over time. TSSM was a master at this and it is good to see A:EMH start to do so, as well. I liked how all of the characters were portrayed. Thor is perhaps the most powerful hero on the team (even if Hulk is physically stronger), but while he does have issues with Odin and lives for combat, he isn't humorless and can even be...shy. Hank Pym is eccentric enough to be a scientist who works with ants or size altering but still noble enough to be a hero. Wasp lives up to Yost's personal claim that she was a character to watch, and almost steals every scene she is in. Iron Man acts like you'd expect him to, with arrogance and snappy one liners, but he's learning how to compromise when he has to here. And as someone who has never been the biggest Hulk fan, I like the version portrayed here. He isn't so powerful that his battles become boring, and he doesn't talk like Bizarro. Every version of the Hulk that displayed either or both of these traits I liked more than the default Hulk, such as "the Professor" or Joe Fixit or "Green Skaar". Keeping the version from the 60's, who could speak in complete sentences, but was just perpetually surly and hot tempered (Wolverine before Wolverine, as it were), was a wise move. None of the supporting characters feel wasted and it seems in every scene there is a Marvel character.

Even though no one person or even one production team makes a TV series, I often feel that it can leave an impression. When I was finished with WOLVERINE & THE X-MEN, I got the feeling that the people who made it loved Wolverine, and the X-Men, in that order. But in watching these 7 episodes worth of material from A:EMH, I get the feeling that not only the people who made it love the Avengers, but love the Marvel Universe. There's no hand wringing about the elements that may seem bizarre or garish, but an embracing of them. Not even Banner is whining about how miserable it is to be super-human; if there is any angst, it's between Thor and his father, and even that is relatively minor compared to, say, the average Rogue episode of an X-Men show, nor does it cause Thor to always be perpetually miserable and incapable of a good time. Naturally, the X-Men and the Avengers are often two different styles of thing, and that's good that this is established. Quite frankly, the comic books would be better off if more characters weren't finding new ways to be miserable all the time. Angst has become such short-hand for quality that I genuinely believe some writers have no idea how to do character interaction without misery or angst doled out by the truck-load, because they have never seen it. A:EMH does not suffer from that; it is a fun show to watch, but that does not mean there is never any danger, or suspense, or even horror, without offending Disney XD's censor board. Of course, I would imagine since Disney & Marvel are basically in bed together, A:EMH may have more leeway on this network than it may have had on, say, a network owned by WB, but that's perfectly fine.

JLU was a show that I see as a veteran athlete; one who struggled during the rookie season and had some slumps and streaks after, before settling into a groove. The only way to really outshine that is for an athlete to begin as a prodigy and then either never suffer a major slump or even exceed expectations when it counts. So far, AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES is looking very much like it will more than live up to it's mighty title. With Greg Weisman's latest classic-in-waiting another month away from debuting, A:EMH has captured the stage and already has the crowd roaring for another encore. There is always stuff that rewards multiple views, as the best shows have.

Who was Cap fighting in the 1940's? Do I even care anymore? :D

Great review, Dread! I just saw the "Breakout" episodes and I have to say, I was really impressed and thrilled. And this is from someone who never cared much for the Avengers! Now I'm super-excited about getting to know these characters better. I think the differing personalities and their interactions were handled wonderfully (I loved Thor's ackwardness while having coffee with Jane-as someone who was married to a Norwegian for 10 years, that was spot on! And the final group hug! Iron Man "waiting for his ride!") This is where WATXM failed miserably.

Now I can't decide who I like best: Wasp, Iron Man or Hawkeye, although the latter is edging out. "Tick, tick, boom!" gets quoted at least once a day at my house.

I am dying to see who shows up from the Marvel U. I seconded the hope of the Maximoffs showing up, though I would love the WATXM versions to show. Wanda was one of the best things on that show! Hopefully other X characters other than Wolverine (again) show up. Quite a few have ties to the Avengers.

Oh, and I seconded everything you said about the angst issue. I have been saying the same thing for years! Nice to see superheroes enjoying being superheroes.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Wasp is my favorite right now. Even more than Thor (for the cartoon, at least). Her voice actress is awesome and she has the best lines. Plus, I guess I really like those purely idealistic characters in general, and the cartoon's Wasp is totally the idealistic type. :D

[Gamma Burst]

The Wasp is my favorite right now. Even more than Thor (for the cartoon, at least). Her voice actress is awesome and she has the best lines. Plus, I guess I really like those purely idealistic characters in general, and the cartoon's Wasp is totally the idealistic type. :D

The line in your signature was my favourite by far.:woot:

[TheCorpulent1]

I actually giggled at that scene. It was awesome.

[TheVileOne]

I don't think Hydra directly broke out all the prisons. Hydra staged the UN attack in order to infiltrate the Vault and break out Von Strucker. That failed. Even though Black Widow is perhaps a double or triple agent inside SHIELD, I still don't think it was Black Widow. All the signs point to Loki.

I think the only other possibility is Kang who would certainly seem the like guy who could possibly have the power to just unlock all the cells at all the prisons. Or Kang just might be letting events to play out so he can seize something at the right opportunity.

[Dread]

I see...Let's hope it will be not the case this time...

Hopefully not. As I said, at least at this stage the show has earned some benefit of the doubt from me for now.

Here's Disney XD's schedule for the next week. (http://toonzone.net/schedule/index.php?browseNetworkID=17) They're replaying these episodes a lot for anyone with XD that wants to watch them, and they're showing the first five episodes a couple of time too.

I think they are handling the show well. Disney XD offered "The Breakout" on their website about 24-48 hours after it's premiere. Yeah, you had to endure some commercials, but that's no worse than when NBC.com does for their online episodes. I am glad that networks have found that the way to beat illegal torrent DL's isn't to beat 'em, but to join 'em.

I hope Hulk doesn't leave, he is freaking sick in this show. I love all the Hulk Villains in Breakout. Zaxx, Leader, Abomination and The Absorbing Man. I really like Antman and I think they are doing a really good job with him. I've always felt the media outside of comics have never made Antman as cool as he should be. He is really doing some cool things in his fighting in this show.

Members may come and go, but I imagine the Hulk will remain one of the core cast.

I hope this show lasts long enough to do a proper adaption of Secret Wars. It's one of my favorite crossovers and "Spider-Man: The Animated Series" butchered it.

That would be interesting. Of course, Disney brought back the TV rights to Spidey from Sony, so he could appear in a guest stint for that...

Jeffery Combs as Leader is one of the best voices in the entire show, he just steals the spotlightlight every time :awesome: The main cast obviously have great actors too, just leader had a great presence already in one scene!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7dvJWT2UXc&feature=channel the clip is all the main villains in the first 13 episodes I bet excluding Klaw.

My guess for the Everything is Wonderful episode is it's Wonderman or the Masters Of Evil, maybe both! If not then either Kang or Loki (still think it's Zemo or Wonderman though).

Combs' Leader is very good. He always has a solid voice and good delivery for those creepy types. If the Question ever pops up in one of those DC Universe DTV's, they sure as hell better get Combs to reprise the role. :p

(I mean, that's not impossible. SUPERMAN/BATMAN: APOCALYPSE had Wonder Woman, Supergirl, and Big Barda in it.)


So what are the chances that Black Widow and Hydra are not the ones responsible for the break out?

Likely. It could be Loki; what better way to keep Thor on Midguard than a massive jailbreak like that, which would include his old enemies the Wrecking Crew? Loki has manipulated Thor on earth before, with Amora's assistance, to keep him there and encourage his tiff with Odin. Loki, in the comics, was the one responsible for the Avengers assembling and while for this series it was Graviton in terms of being a threat no hero could face alone, including Loki's hand in the jailbreak itself isn't impossible.

Or, it could have been Kang, perhaps trying to tamper with time. Maybe trying to keep the heroes so busy they never find Capt. America, or find him sooner than expected, or so on.

Great review, Dread! I just saw the "Breakout" episodes and I have to say, I was really impressed and thrilled. And this is from someone who never cared much for the Avengers! Now I'm super-excited about getting to know these characters better. I think the differing personalities and their interactions were handled wonderfully (I loved Thor's ackwardness while having coffee with Jane-as someone who was married to a Norwegian for 10 years, that was spot on! And the final group hug! Iron Man "waiting for his ride!") This is where WATXM failed miserably.

Now I can't decide who I like best: Wasp, Iron Man or Hawkeye, although the latter is edging out. "Tick, tick, boom!" gets quoted at least once a day at my house.

I am dying to see who shows up from the Marvel U. I seconded the hope of the Maximoffs showing up, though I would love the WATXM versions to show. Wanda was one of the best things on that show! Hopefully other X characters other than Wolverine (again) show up. Quite a few have ties to the Avengers.

Oh, and I seconded everything you said about the angst issue. I have been saying the same thing for years! Nice to see superheroes enjoying being superheroes.

Glad you liked my review. I did spend a lot of time on it, but it was a labor of love.

W&TXM being mostly humorless (aside for Toad, Mojo, or Nightcrawler on occasion) was par for the course for the X-Men. The X-Men as a franchise have always been about bleakness, seriousness, and all that. Of course, it should be mentioned that X-MEN EVOLUTION, if anything, wasn't nearly as humorless as many X-Men shows or comics were, and it still remains popular.

That said, yes, I do like the character interaction here. On the whole the writing seems stronger, able to balance both characterization and action without feeling the need to sacrifice one for the other. There's plenty of meat on these bones.

I mean, yes, this was sort of like episodes 6-7 instead of 1-2 coming off the micro's, but I still think it suffices. After all, when "JUSTICE LEAGUE" came out, it wasn't as if every character had dropped from the sky, either. Batman and Superman were coming right off their own shows, and were established. The Green Lantern concept was introduced in an episode of Superman's show, and the Flash also guest starred there, too. So, really, the only heroes who appeared out of the blue were Wonder Woman, Hawkgirl, and Martian Manhunter, whose origin was critical to the pilot. Compared to that, this show only had a 5 episode preview to establish itself before the mega-pilot, and so far has done a better job at least in terms of episode 7. There's always the test of time, but so far it is looking very good.

At this point I am curious to see how the heroes already introduced are handled and so forth before I am clamoring for the Maximoffs or Vision or Black Knight or whoever yet.

There's a place for angst, but often the best shows, or comics, are able to balance stuff out so there are funny parts, exciting parts, suspenseful parts, etc. and the transitions work properly. A:EMH is off to such a start.

The Wasp is my favorite right now. Even more than Thor (for the cartoon, at least). Her voice actress is awesome and she has the best lines. Plus, I guess I really like those purely idealistic characters in general, and the cartoon's Wasp is totally the idealistic type. :D

I'm not sure who is my favorite, which is a good sign. You want to like every team member on a team show at least a little, right? The Wasp is a scene stealer. I'm really enjoying Hank Pym here, but Thor is beyond awesome. Even the Hulk, who I was initially wary of, is cool. Probably Iron Man is my least favorite, but even he isn't anywhere near intolerable. He always has some decent one liners, and while a jerk at times, it isn't taken to the extreme. Having HIM be the one who says the most to stick up for the Hulk said a lot.

[Gamma Burst]

Like some people here,I belive Loki is the responsable for the breakout.

[Gamma Burst]

Btw,my favourite was Thor(he's too awesome!),but all of them were brilliant.
I particularly can't wait to see more of Hawkeye and Black Panther.

[Iron_Stark]

Is Thor an airhead in the comics like he is in the show? I hope they don't make him one in the movie.

[Chewy]

How is Thor an airhead in this show?

[DarthAlani]

That final blast that Thor used on Graviton was epic, " I was like damn don't destroy the whole city!"

[Lunar_Wolf]

The intro theme is not catchy, just a generic rock song that I've already forgotten.

The show so far is alright. I do like the animation and the action was pretty good.

[Savage]

Is Thor an airhead in the comics like he is in the show? I hope they don't make him one in the movie.

Huh? Airhead? How?

[MarvelWarrior]

I wonder if Cap will question joining the Avengers like in the early issues when he wasn't sure. I look forward to seeing his interaction with the rest of the team, especially the Hulk.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Apparently, blonde=airhead.:whatever:

[venomfangs125]

Graviton didn't die, right? Just severly if not violently, EXTREMELY violently knocked out? Its possible for him to return? I found him to be a very interesting villain.

[lixdexia]

Graviton didn't die, right? Just severly if not violently, EXTREMELY violently knocked out? Its possible for him to return? I found him to be a very interesting villain.yes, he did not die. it's possible for him to return, but i wouldn't call it likely.

[lixdexia]

I don't think Hydra directly broke out all the prisons. Hydra staged the UN attack in order to infiltrate the Vault and break out Von Strucker. That failed. Even though Black Widow is perhaps a double or triple agent inside SHIELD, I still don't think it was Black Widow. All the signs point to Loki.

I think the only other possibility is Kang who would certainly seem the like guy who could possibly have the power to just unlock all the cells at all the prisons. Or Kang just might be letting events to play out so he can seize something at the right opportunity.
i'm really hoping it's the theory someone suggested on here that the skrulls were behind it.

[Anubis]

Pfft, it's Loki.

[lixdexia]

it being loki just seems too easy to me.

[Gamma Burst]

Is Thor an airhead in the comics like he is in the show? I hope they don't make him one in the movie.

I have seen nothing that implies Thor is an airhead in this show.

[TheVileOne]

Loki seems to just be orchestrating all of this as some sort of master plan. I think Loki wants Midgard and Asgard.

[Dread]

That final blast that Thor used on Graviton was epic, " I was like damn don't destroy the whole city!"

Indeed. The first time I saw that, my jaw dropped. Which is very impressive for the first real team brawl of the show.

I wonder if Cap will question joining the Avengers like in the early issues when he wasn't sure. I look forward to seeing his interaction with the rest of the team, especially the Hulk.

It should be interesting. In the comics, the Hulk left by issue two and after chasing after him for a bit, as well as considering recruiting Namor to replace him (because he's totally stable), they found Capt. America and he basically replaced the Hulk on the active roster, and was retro-actively considered a founder.

On this show, however, things are different. Banner is attempting to steer the Hulk onto a more heroic path, and it actually is paying off for now; the other heroes appreciated it.

Graviton didn't die, right? Just severly if not violently, EXTREMELY violently knocked out? Its possible for him to return? I found him to be a very interesting villain.

Graviton wasn't killed, just TKO'd. In the comics he is very, VERY tough. He's often been underused in the comic books, which was why I was thrilled at his debut here. With his power level, he could easily be as dangerous as Magneto is, perhaps even more so, but even some seasoned comic fans have no idea who he is. Hopefully, that all changed.

i'm really hoping it's the theory someone suggested on here that the skrulls were behind it.

It is possible; Skrulls naturally showed up a few times in FANTASTIC FOUR: WORLD'S GREATEST HEROES, which was the last show before this one that Chris Yost had a lot of influence on. I'd rather it not be them, though. I am bit burnt out on Skrulls lately.

[EvilClareToo]

W&TXM being mostly humorless (aside for Toad, Mojo, or Nightcrawler on occasion) was par for the course for the X-Men. The X-Men as a franchise have always been about bleakness, seriousness, and all that. Of course, it should be mentioned that X-MEN EVOLUTION, if anything, wasn't nearly as humorless as many X-Men shows or comics were, and it still remains popular.



Claremont was famous for angst ridden storylines-that being said, he had many characters that didn't whine and moan like they started to circa late 90's. Gambit is an example of a character who actually liked being a mutant and seemed to have a lot of fun and got some great lines (hence his popularity), Claremont's Rogue also was funny and sassy and Nightcrawler was charming and adventurous. I don't know why it was decided that good=dark, dark, darker!!!

I'm excited to find out who organized the breakout. I'm leaning on Loki as well, though Kang or even the Skrulls would be equally cool!

[Duskbyday]

Personally I think the breakout mystery is going to be stretched the entire first season at least. It isn't HYDRA because they only want to break out their people in the Vault, hence only one prison breakout. Also Black Widow is only working with them concerning Banner's blood (So far). Skrulls could be likely but I doubt it, only reason I can think of is Black Widow being one at The Helicarrier. Aint Kang, he's interested in Captain America.

As for Loki, obviously he's no.1 candidate I think since he formed the Avengers originally in the comics and he has the motivation here too (distract Thor by controlling hulk, breakout, other things while Loki invades Asgard). BUT I think he's very obvious so they may not use him. And when could they reveal his plan, the next episode seems to be the only way so far for season 1 :S

I'm going to go out and say it. I think it's Ultron. Loki I think is just as much could be the culprit but I think also maybe the robot butler did it.

[Longshot777]

Watching the Avengers Marathon now on DX channel!!!

It's better when the micro-episodes are put together on their accurate scenes to Eps. 1-5.

The Intro also has the full roster...which will be weird when ep. 6 Intro drops Cap, Hawkeye, and Black Panther.

People should def watch Ep. 1-5 before watching Breakout.


All I can say about the JL comparisons are this:

Avengers is cooler but JL is more prestigious. They are both great.

I do like how the Avengers have separate episodes for their heroes before they formed the team. I wish JL did that before Secret Origins.

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope Loki's the real culprit behind the breakout. Obvious or not, he was originally behind the Avengers' formation and the creators of this show seem to have a lot of respect for the original comics.

[Compi716]

Does anybody else think that Dr. Doom could end being the brilliant mastermind behind all the evil? He was hinted at (but not outright mentioned) in the first "real" episode.

[Anubis]

No.

[lixdexia]

nope

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope he does appear, at least. Why hint at him if he's not going to appear at all?

But I still hope Loki's the one behind the jailbreak.

[EternalMaster]

I'm sure Doom will eventually show up, but the escaped villains, Loki, Kang, and Leader seem to be the villains we will get the most of this season. Loki and Kang had strong focus in the mini-sodes... Leader got a big nod Break Out... and the Avengers formed due to the massive # of escapees.

Have to save some villains for next season, and Doom is a great villain to hold out for. Next season could even have some space adventures with the Skull or Kree.

[Anubis]

Maybe we'll get an FF appearance as well.

[terry78]

Though Doom is basically Reed's nemesis, he's been like the ultimate enemy of every other person in the Marvelverse for a minute.

[bored]

Yeah, I'm sure Doom will show up, since he's had plenty of showdowns with the Avengers over the years, but he's not THE villain for them, so definitely not going to be the season's major threat.

[TheCorpulent1]

Though Doom is basically Reed's nemesis, he's been like the ultimate enemy of every other person in the Marvelverse for a minute.
Yeah, even though Doom is technically an FF villain, much like Loki or Galactus, he works quite well as a general universe villain for anyone, too. Even Magneto's had some pretty good arcs where he was fighting other heroes besides the X-Men. Part of the fun of a shared universe is just that: sharing stuff like villains. :up:

[misjuevos]

right now they are airing the micros put back together as a full episode on disney xd

[Drz]

I'd say the show deserves some Dr. Doom. He's in the SHS cartoon, but that show is aimed for the 3-4 year olds. >:C

[Chewy]

For people who are having trouble identifying some of the villains in the first 7 eps:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9449/villainsmall.jpg

[Nathan]

So, which ones aren't we gonna see anymore, since Ironman blew up the whole Prison? Or have they all just magically survived?

[TheCorpulent1]

God, I can't wait for the MODOK episode(s). :awesome:

[Chewy]

So, which ones aren't we gonna see anymore, since Ironman blew up the whole Prison? Or have they all just magically survived?
The Blizzard row are the ones who were in that prison, but we know Crimson Dynamo's coming back to join the Masters of Evil so they all probably survived

[Sawyer]

Kang looks so ****ing awesome.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Blizzard row are the ones who were in that prison, but we know Crimson Dynamo's coming back to join the Masters of Evil so they all probably survived
Through no fault of Tony's own, of course. ;)

[lixdexia]

that modok looks pretty awesome. i hope they do a red ghost episode just so igor gets some more screentime

[TheCorpulent1]

I could see him and the apes more as cannon fodder working under someone else.

[lixdexia]

I could see him and the apes more as cannon fodder working under someone else.
yeah, but igor is fun (at least i think i'm thinking of igor. the one who shape shifts)

[Gamma Burst]

that modok looks pretty awesome. i hope they do a red ghost episode just so igor gets some more screentime

Modok looks awesome,indeed.He's one of my favourites!

[TheCorpulent1]

yeah, but igor is fun (at least i think i'm thinking of igor. the one who shape shifts)
I don't know, I could never get the apes' names straight. All I know is one's a gorilla, one's an orangutan, and one's a baboon.

[Nathan]

Why were there so many Monkeys anyway? What's up with the one dressed like Doctor Strange?

[lixdexia]

I don't know, I could never get the apes' names straight. All I know is one's a gorilla, one's an orangutan, and one's a baboon.
well either the orangutan or the baboon is a shapeshifter who doesn't really like the red ghost that much and is addicted to candy. like mc pee pants addicted

[TheCorpulent1]

Why were there so many Monkeys anyway? What's up with the one dressed like Doctor Strange?
That was the Mandrill. He's just a snazzy dresser, is all. :awesome:

[Gamma Burst]

Why were there so many Monkeys anyway? What's up with the one dressed like Doctor Strange?

LOL. That's Mandrill,mate.
He isn't one of 'the monkeys':woot:

[Chewy]

well either the orangutan or the baboon is a shapeshifter who doesn't really like the red ghost that much and is addicted to candy. like mc pee pants addicted
The baboon shapeshifts, the gorilla has super strength and the orangutan's kinda like Graviton

[lixdexia]

then i was right. it's igor i want to see

[Nathan]

LOL. That's Mandrill,mate.
He isn't one of 'the monkeys':woot:

Well, he's a Monkey. Can he even do anything special? Or his he just a crazy monkey?

[TheCorpulent1]

Apparently, he emits pheromones that allow him to control women (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandrill_%28comics%29). I gotta say, that was about the last thing I expected to find when I looked him up on Wikipedia. :dry:

[lixdexia]

Well, he's a Monkey. Can he even do anything special? Or his he just a crazy monkey?
no, he's an ape, and he's not really even an ape, he's a mutant. his thing is he produces pheromones that make nearby women his slaves

[Gamma Burst]

The baboon shapeshifts, the gorilla has super strength and the orangutan's kinda like Graviton

I believe the orangutan can control magnetic fields.

[Nathan]

Apparently, he emits pheromones that allow him to control women (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandrill_%28comics%29). I gotta say, that was about the last thing I expected to find when I looked him up on Wikipedia. :dry:

Honestly, I busted out laughing.

[terry78]

Whoever created Mandrill would have given Freud a run for his money.

[Gamma Burst]

no, he's an ape, and he's not really even an ape, he's a mutant. his thing is he produces pheromones that make nearby women his slaves

He also has some degree of super human strength,speed and durability.That's all...

[Nathan]

Alright, there's one Monkey I want to see introduced in the show. Bring on Hit Monkey!

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/2276/102900127deadpool20supe.jpg (http://img526.imageshack.us/i/102900127deadpool20supe.jpg/)

[Anubis]

Yeah, I knew he had mental powers from some arc where a buncha people like him got together. The Controller, uh, that guy Crossfire or something. I think it was some Spider-Man mini or something.

[lixdexia]

he was part of the hood's gang durring siege. actually i think he might have been killed durring siege, either that or the hood just stripped away all his fancy norn stone powers

[Anubis]

Eh. He wont be missed.

[Nathan]

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/9085/mandrill204.gif (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/mandrill204.gif/) http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7812/mandrill205.gif (http://img87.imageshack.us/i/mandrill205.gif/)

:funny:

[Anubis]

Lol.

[Gamma Burst]

LOL.Good stuff!

[the dmg]

Awesome snippet you found there Nathan.

[MarvelWarrior]

The Masters of Evil need to have Radioactive Man as a member. He was in their first appearance.

[TheCorpulent1]

He was one of the escapees from the Cube, I believe, so the possibility is there.

[Zant]

Who caused the breakout? Im going to say Black Widow,it has to be her,but then again I was the one who thought Harry's mother was the Green Goblin in Spectacular Spiderman and that Sinister or Master Mold caused the explosion in Wolverine and the X men ,so I could be wrong

[TheCorpulent1]

My money's on Loki.

[TheVileOne]

I wonder if this show has any of the same design team as Wolverine and The X-men.

Some of the designs do look quite similar and have similar characteristics specifically the big behemoth characters like Crimson Dynamo, Abomination, etc. all have really huge hands, wrists, and forearms that are bigger than their heads.

[RealIrOnMaN]

1 day left 'till S1E8: "Some Assembly Required"

So excited, especially after seeing the Avengers Mansion clip) "HO, miss Potts!"

[TheCorpulent1]

It airs on Tuesdays regularly?

[lixdexia]

It airs on Tuesdays regularly?
not in the states. here it's wednesdays at 8:30

[RealIrOnMaN]

Long Beach Comic Con - SATURDAY OCTOBER 30:

http://www.longbeachcomiccon.com/_images/_elements/logo.gif

MARVEL TELEVISION PRESENTS - THE AVENGERS: EARTH'S MIGHTIEST HEROES AND MARVEL ANIME

* 2:00PM - 2:45PM; SEASIDE BALLROOM A (Seaside Avenue, Long Beach, CA 90802)

[Panthro]

You know, when Kari Wahlgren voices Jane Foster, I almost mistake her for Grey DeLisle. Then again, I'm used to hearing Kari talk in the fake British accent (Emma Frost; Amora the Enchantress).

[nogap87]

I wonder if this show has any of the same design team as Wolverine and The X-men.

Some of the designs do look quite similar and have similar characteristics specifically the big behemoth characters like Crimson Dynamo, Abomination, etc. all have really huge hands, wrists, and forearms that are bigger than their heads.


I don't know who does the character designs but, as of now, this show has the best looking females in a superhero cartoon. They make the girls in X-Men: Evolution look like dudes. The only one who looks kinda "meh" is Pepper Potts.

[Nathan]

Like dudes? What?

[nogap87]

Like dudes? What?

Yep. Rouge's cleft chin, Storm's blotchy makeup on her cheeks, Scarlet Witch's wardrobe and pretty much everything about mystique gave off an unfeminine vibe. To me anyway.

[Spider-Vader]

The first two episodes were awesome! I had many geekgasms during it.

I also loved Iron Man's reference to Doom. "Pepper, guess who I took down today? Hint: It rhymes with boom." :D

[TheVileOne]

I think Jane Foster's design is awesome and very well done. But better than Emma Frost in Wolverine and The X-men? Eh, dunno about that :) .

[nogap87]

I didn't care much for the designs in Wolverine and The X-men. It didn't help that the main character had some wonky proportions.

[TheCorpulent1]

Jane's pretty awesome so far. I like the idea of making her an EMT a lot. Makes Thor's interest in her a lot more interesting. She was such a wuss in the comics until she wound up with Sif's soul and learned to kick ass.

[terry78]

Jane's pretty awesome so far. I like the idea of making her an EMT a lot. Makes Thor's interest in her a lot more interesting. She was such a wuss in the comics until she wound up with Sif's soul and learned to kick ass.

How is Branagh portraying her?

[lixdexia]

How is Branagh portraying her?
as an expert on norse mythology

[TheCorpulent1]

Student, actually. Stellan Skarsgard is the expert.

[the dmg]

The first two episodes were awesome! I had many geekgasms during it.

I also loved Iron Man's reference to Doom. "Pepper, guess who I took down today? Hint: It rhymes with boom." :D
"One down, seventy-three to go."

[RealIrOnMaN]

Awwwright + some screencaps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i63V8Qd8NAUf

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5455/15776840.jpg
* New Roster

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3289/49212291.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7244/38622057.jpg
* Iron Man, Hulk and Captain Marvel

http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/4360/98560155.jpg
* Iron Man flies

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2453/78788112.jpg
* HAVE AT THEE!!!

[Gamma Burst]

Awwwright + some screencaps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i63V8Qd8NAUf


http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2453/78788112.jpg
* HAVE AT THEE!!!

Hell yeah!:word:

[TheCorpulent1]

Does Thor shooting lightning at things while ominous storm clouds swirl overhead ever get old? You'd think it would, but it just never does. :awesome:

[Gamma Burst]

Does Thor shooting lightning at things while ominous storm clouds swirl overhead ever get old? You'd think it would, but it just never does. :awesome:

Not at all!:woot:

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6e/CaptainMarvel15.jpg/401px-CaptainMarvel15.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

What about him?

[Compi716]

...What about him?

[Gamma Burst]

About capatain marvel?

[RealIrOnMaN]

He's going to appear in the cartoon. I made a screencap on the previous page.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I was looking at the Hulk. Didn't even notice him. I imagine that's actually his dad, the original Captain Marvel. Either way, that's cool. Possible hint that they're going to do the Kree/Skrull War this season, I wonder?

[RealIrOnMaN]

I wish they could, Corp, I really do.

The level of epicness will grow, if they will use this particular storyline.

[Gamma Burst]

I'm positive they'll do it.It's such an epic avengers storyline.

[RealIrOnMaN]

I'm positive they'll do it.It's such an epic avengers storyline.
Agreed!

[Gamma Burst]

However,my dream storyline would be the the serpent's crown saga!
How awesome would be an Avengers vs. Squadron Supreme battle? :D

[Panthro]

Does Thor shooting lightning at things while ominous storm clouds swirl overhead ever get old? You'd think it would, but it just never does. :awesome:
Because Thor owns all. :word:

[lixdexia]

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3289/49212291.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/7244/38622057.jpg
* Iron Man, Hulk and Captain Marvelso it looks like they're doing an ultimate/616 mash up for captin mahr-vel like they did with fury. cool with me, that's my favorite costume of his anyway. i'm hoping they set it up so he's a kree spy sent to watch the skrull who have infiltrated earth (and set off the breakout :awesome: ) and all that sets up the kree/skrull war

[RealIrOnMaN]

so it looks like they're doing an ultimate/616 mash up for captin mahr-vel like they did with fury. cool with me, that's my favorite costume of his anyway. i'm hoping they set it up so he's a kree spy sent to watch the skrull who have infiltrated earth (and set off the breakout :awesome: ) and all that sets up the kree/skrull war
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTeElWFQMWws6NQwPanVy7RGw3AFm-B4j3Px_GnhHVRyooqUqY&t=1&usg=__iGn3ENVIN6a1kswd4MxUfMasK1M=

Wow, you're really making this sound soooo goood) Skrulls ftw!

[Chewy]

Captain Marvel :awesome:

Hopefully paving the way for Ms Marvel to show up

[Gamma Burst]

Hopefully we'll see more female members later.Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk would be great:)

[TheCorpulent1]

I hope that's just Mar-Vell's Kree military uniform and he switches to the familiar red and blue at some point. The Kree uniform looks all right, but it's really boring as a superhero costume.

[Gamma Burst]

I actually think it's better than the red and blue one... :O

[TheCorpulent1]

Then that is your failing as a person. :csad:

[bored]

Gotta love how Iron Man, Thor and Captain Marvel, three uber-powerful types, are just watching Hulk tear **** up.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, he just enjoys it so much. ;)

[Gamma Burst]

Now I'm disappointed with myself:(








:D

[Dread]

Claremont was famous for angst ridden storylines-that being said, he had many characters that didn't whine and moan like they started to circa late 90's. Gambit is an example of a character who actually liked being a mutant and seemed to have a lot of fun and got some great lines (hence his popularity), Claremont's Rogue also was funny and sassy and Nightcrawler was charming and adventurous. I don't know why it was decided that good=dark, dark, darker!!!

I'm excited to find out who organized the breakout. I'm leaning on Loki as well, though Kang or even the Skrulls would be equally cool!

"Dark, dark, darker" became seen as shorthand for "good" in the 90's, and it usually takes the old men who run editorial offices at least an extra decade to realize the last one ended. Right now, the comic industry is starting to realize the 90's actually ended. Of course, to the rest of us in the real world, the 90's ended ten years ago, but little steps for little feet.

Many writers, for instance, take the fact that one would be depressed if horrific things happened to them as instantly being special, when it really isn't by itself.

I digress. This show has none of that, and looks pretty cool. Although I am not in a rush to see more Skrulls.

For people who are having trouble identifying some of the villains in the first 7 eps:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9449/villainsmall.jpg

Wow, excellent job there. I have to admit even I didn't recognize Chemistro. :awesome: I know of him, but didn't recognize him in that suit. Guess that's the original version.

[DawnWarrior]

Many writers, for instance, take the fact that one would be depressed if horrific things happened to them as instantly being special, when it really isn't by itself.
:huh:Uhhh....could you rephrase that please? I liked where you were going just now, but I've read this sentence a dozen times and my tiny feeble intellect can't figure out what you just said.

And yeah Chewy, thanks for that awesome chart.