Raimi Talks Carnage [Archive] - The Superhero Hype! Boards

Joker

03-25-2009, 11:34 AM

Reikowolf

03-25-2009, 11:36 AM

probably

RAIMI
"What? They made a red one too.... planet of the symbiotes?.... what were they thinking?.... hopefully the follow up arc is better, let's see... here it is.. Clone Saga"

ross2287

03-25-2009, 12:17 PM

There are a couple places in that article where they left out words from sentences.

It doesn't really sound like Carnage has anything to do with SM4 and I think he's referring to that proposed Venom spin-off.

Carnage wouldn't work in a PG-13 movie without major retooling.

LightningFlash

03-25-2009, 01:07 PM

If Carnage was in Spider-Man 4...

pretty sure he'd be doing the tango.

broblacksteel

03-25-2009, 01:23 PM

lol @ carnage and his tendrils doing the tango, he would have many dance partners at least.... sighs... good luck with spider man 4...

JaD

03-25-2009, 04:17 PM

Carnage wouldn't work in a PG-13 movie without major retooling.If TDK's Joker could pass off as a PG-13-Ok villain, then I'm sure Carnage could be terrifying and brutal...

but then again these are completely different movies. The idea though, of Carnage racking up kills around NYC and Spidey bent on bringing him down sounds amazing. But not for the next movie though.

Joker

03-25-2009, 04:18 PM

If TDK's Joker could pass off as a PG-13-Ok villain, then I'm sure Carnage could be terrifying and brutal...

Joker didn't go around slaughtering people in cold blood with symbiote shaped spikes and axes etc.

Jack O Lantern

03-25-2009, 04:22 PM

Other than the pencil incident nothing the Joker does is overly violent. The outrage came from numpties

Spider-ManHero12

03-25-2009, 04:32 PM

Tbh, I don't think Raimi will be involved with the Venom film. Though, if he was, that would be great. :up:

Reikowolf

03-25-2009, 04:37 PM

They are not talking about SM4 directly but the Venom spin-off.

Still though, this counts as SM4 rumors

TDK actually got away with it in a brilliant way. The music implied the violence that was never seen on screen. Very smart and tasteful.

Reikowolf

03-25-2009, 04:38 PM

JaD

03-25-2009, 05:11 PM

Joker didn't go around slaughtering people in cold blood with symbiote shaped spikes and axes etc.But Doc Ock did go around a hospital room murdering people with 4 mechanical arms. The most violent scene in the entire Spider-Man series can get even better than that, I think. And you don't need any blood to do it.

Besides, Joker did go around killing cops, and gang leaders, and innocent civilians :hehe:

Philly Phanboy

03-25-2009, 05:33 PM

Aunt Carnage FTW!

Joker

03-25-2009, 05:52 PM

But Doc Ock did go around a hospital room murdering people with 4 mechanical arms. The most violent scene in the entire Spider-Man series can get even better than that, I think. And you don't need any blood to do it.

But you didn't see any of them die in any graphic way. Camera shots always cut away. And alot of it was tossing surgeons around the room like rag dolls. The two most graphic parts were the nails scraping the floor, and that surgeon being pinned to the wall.

How are you going to do Carnage killing people with symbiote axes and spikes without it getting graphic?

Besides, Joker did go around killing cops, and gang leaders, and innocent civilians

There was nothing graphic about it. The pencil trick was as bad as it got.

American_Hobo

03-25-2009, 06:21 PM

Tbh, I don't think Raimi will be involved with the Venom film. Though, if he was, that would be great. :up:

He doesnt like Venom.
Raimi won't be involved in Venom spinoff.
And IF he does, he will Raiminize it and we'll get another That 70's Venom.

Immortalfire

03-25-2009, 06:47 PM

I doubt Sam will have a Spider-Man movie feature a crazed, blood-soaked, mass-murderer.

JaD

03-25-2009, 06:53 PM

But you didn't see any of them die in any graphic way. Camera shots always cut away. And alot of it was tossing surgeons around the room like rag dolls. The two most graphic parts were the nails scraping the floor, and that surgeon being pinned to the wall.

How are you going to do Carnage killing people with symbiote axes and spikes without it getting graphic?Let the one behind the Evil Dead series figure that one out. :cwink:There was nothing graphic about it. The pencil trick was as bad as it got.I found Joker shooting out the windshield at the random pedestrian when climbing out the truck to be pretty bad too. But that's just me though. It wouldn't have to be graphic at all, no blood has to be shown but maybe potential victims, just the mere fact that Carnage is killing people, Spidey's failed attempts to save lives even when confronting him. It could work in lots of ways in these films, even with a brutal character like him.

ross2287

03-25-2009, 10:41 PM

Aunt Carnage FTW!

Can someone please explain this to me? I completely missed out on whatever rumours led to this.

zeptron

03-25-2009, 11:16 PM

Can someone please explain this to me? I completely missed out on whatever rumours led to this.

There was a rumor saying that Aunt May would become Carnage in SM3.

ross2287

03-26-2009, 01:37 AM

...please tell me people didn't actually believe it...?

American_Hobo

03-26-2009, 02:00 AM

...please tell me people didn't actually believe it...?

http://mayiscarnage.ytmnd.com/
Originally, Aunt May was supposed to become Carnage http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

zeptron

03-26-2009, 05:17 AM

...please tell me people didn't actually believe it...?

I'm pretty sure most of the hypsters here were smart enough not to believe it. I don't think I even heard about this rumor until after SM3 came out. So if I heard about beforehand I sure as hell wouldn't have bought it.

JaD

03-26-2009, 06:01 AM

http://mayiscarnage.ytmnd.com/
Originally, Aunt May was supposed to become Carnage http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

I'm pretty sure most of the hypsters here were smart enough not to believe it. I don't think I even heard about this rumor until after SM3 came out. So if I heard about beforehand I sure as hell wouldn't have bought it.That is amazing. I knew nothing about this rumor until now :lmao: That's golden. :hehe:

"Your Uncle Ben loved you, and he wouldn't want any of us living with reveeeeennnnnnngeeeee.... *Carnage transformation*

*Velociraptor scream*

Reikowolf

03-26-2009, 09:29 AM

maybe if Carnage was more of a creature than a character.

Spider-man must stop a rampaging symbiote monster but must find a way to seperate it from his aunt.

Immortalfire

03-26-2009, 10:11 AM

There was a rumor saying that Aunt May would become Carnage in SM3.

God bless IMDB :whatever:

drmick

03-26-2009, 01:34 PM

Other than the pencil incident nothing the Joker does is overly violent. The outrage came from numpties

Eh, burning a man to death on top of a pile of cash?

Filling a mentally ill man with explosives?

Putting a knife into a gangster (Spawn's! :) ) mouth and killing him with it?

Reikowolf

03-26-2009, 02:09 PM

Eh, burning a man to death on top of a pile of cash?

Filling a mentally ill man with explosives?

Putting a knife into a gangster (Spawn's! :) ) mouth and killing him with it?

The pencil trick was the most visually graphic

the others happened off screen

The Slang

04-25-2009, 01:32 AM

lol why the heck did spawn die instantly after having his cheek cut with a knife? seemed a bit lazy

SpeterMan3

04-25-2009, 04:56 PM

Aunt Carnage FTW!
WOO!

(Yeah, I was around then... I just didn't have an account).

AIRWOLF

04-25-2009, 11:39 PM

Regardless of whether or not Carnage does happen to be in SM-4, the movie would still be fun. I just try to enjoy whatever I get without being a harsh critic, which seems to be a craze these days with everyone. Do this and not that, make every character deep and emotional, ground them in reality, give him or her dimensions, how they relate to other characters...why be so picky? These movies are to be watched by suspending your beliefs in everything logical and sensible. Plus, there's no such thing as impossible with how you go about adding depth to the story or its characters, you put effort in it, you'll get good results.

TheSlag

04-26-2009, 12:24 PM

Raimi should be outlawed from using the word "symbiote" after what he did to the character of Venom.

Adrian89

04-26-2009, 01:40 PM

Haha there were NO rumours about May ever becoming Carnage, I can't believe some of you felt for that. It's just some bull$h!t invented by nerds on forums.

zeptron

04-26-2009, 01:56 PM

Carnage is overrated. All he does is kill people for fun. That's it. That's his only motivation if you can call it a motivation. There's not even an explanation on why he kills people. He just does it. Yeah, what a great story huh?

We got the same people who want Carnage so bad are the ones who thought Raimi screwed up Venom. I want to know what makes them think Carnage would get treated any better?

Papa Burgundy

04-26-2009, 02:21 PM

Raimi should be outlawed from using the word "symbiote" after what he did to the character of Venom.

yeah for awhile though (around the buildup to spiderman 3) he just kept calling it black suit. booooooooo!

Papa Burgundy

04-26-2009, 02:22 PM

That is amazing. I knew nothing about this rumor until now :lmao: That's golden. :hehe:

"Your Uncle Ben loved you, and he wouldn't want any of us living with reveeeeennnnnnngeeeee.... *Carnage transformation*

*Velociraptor scream*

LOL!!

and imdb sucks!!

Venom75

04-27-2009, 01:11 AM

If Raimi had to be begged to use Venom for Spidey 3,a character he didn't understand or care for,then I don't think there's any way in hell he'd even consider Carnage for any of his films. Brock/Venom have alot of great concept,depth and story to them. Carnage is just a brutal killer,nothing more.

The Slang

04-27-2009, 01:49 AM

It's not like there aren't people who want to kill just for the fun of it. These are the people whom if given power, should be feared most. People with great power and no responsibility, are the reason spider-man exists.

Jick09

04-27-2009, 09:54 AM

^^Beautifully put.
Too bad Raimi can't handle him, nor do I want him to.

Joker

04-27-2009, 10:26 AM

I think it's more a case that Raimi doesn't want to handle him.

Not that I can blame him. Carnage is a terrible villain.

Reikowolf

04-27-2009, 11:01 AM

Raimi should be outlawed from using the word "symbiote" after what he did to the character of Venom.

:whatever: There have been much worse things done to Venom, just look at the short lived Spider-Man Unlimited cartoon.

Reikowolf

04-27-2009, 11:03 AM

yeah for awhile though (around the buildup to spiderman 3) he just kept calling it black suit. booooooooo!

it was a black suit for a long while in the comics. It wasn't until a bit after Spidey returned to earth that it was identified as the symbiote or even sentient for that matter.

Vaportrail

04-27-2009, 01:19 PM

My guess is Venom will be released under this new "Marvel Knights" banner that Punisher:WZ was put in for.

Apparantly that's their "Marvel: Rated R" bit, I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Ghost Rider 2 in this.

Anyway, do a Venom film here, make it R rated, and how could you resist doing the Carnage storyline? I mean, what else is really known as far as the symbiote storylines go? This is the big one.

Venom: Maximum Carnage

I'd go see that.

Metal Spidey

04-27-2009, 02:23 PM

Can't... control... inner fanboy! Must... resist... critism of the 3rd film... can't... hold back... any longer...

NO! NO! NO! After Venom had been done so horribly NO! Especially if Venom isn't going to be bulky in the spin-off. Why make a spin-off where Venom is a goody two-shoes anyway?

Reikowolf

04-27-2009, 03:42 PM

$$$$

TheSlag

04-27-2009, 09:57 PM

:whatever: There have been much worse things done to Venom, just look at the short lived Spider-Man Unlimited cartoon.

Oh well, as long as there has been far worse things done to a subject or character, by all means, that makes it totally different, and gives Sam and Co a COMPLETE Get Out of Jail Free Pass. :whatever:

TheSlag

04-27-2009, 10:05 PM

it was a black suit for a long while in the comics. It wasn't until a bit after Spidey returned to earth that it was identified as the symbiote or even sentient for that matter.

For crying out loud, do you have any other "apologies" you want to make for Dearl Ole Sam Mrs. Raimi? I know Mother's Day is coming up, but Geez, give us a break on the love of your son here. :woot:

The point is, and continues to be, these type of behaivors shows Sam did, does not, and never will, understand the character. And showed a total lack of professionalism if he even "hints' at the defense "I was foreced to use Venom". To his credit, he has only hinted or implied that, to this point to my knowledge. But IMO, he should take the bullet on this one and in no way try to pass the buck.

HE fell short on the characters of Venom/Brock/Symbiote/Black Spider-Man. He, and HE ALONE... should take full responsibility, wheter it is a truely shared blame or not.

NewYorkSpider

04-28-2009, 03:34 AM

This thread should be closed. Carnage isn't going to be in SM4.

American_Hobo

04-28-2009, 10:31 AM

This thread should be closed. Carnage isn't going to be in SM4.

Well if we can talk about Sinister Six, why cant we talk about Carnage? LOL.

Reikowolf

04-28-2009, 10:39 AM

For crying out loud, do you have any other "apologies" you want to make for Dearl Ole Sam Mrs. Raimi? I know Mother's Day is coming up, but Geez, give us a break on the love of your son here. :woot:

The point is, and continues to be, these type of behaivors shows Sam did, does not, and never will, understand the character. And showed a total lack of professionalism if he even "hints' at the defense "I was foreced to use Venom". To his credit, he has only hinted or implied that, to this point to my knowledge. But IMO, he should take the bullet on this one and in no way try to pass the buck.

HE fell short on the characters of Venom/Brock/Symbiote/Black Spider-Man. He, and HE ALONE... should take full responsibility, wheter it is a truely shared blame or not.

:whatever: Just no pleasing some people. If you don't like his directing so much, boycott the films.

chaseter

04-28-2009, 07:37 PM

No Carnage:o

Immortalfire

04-28-2009, 08:17 PM

As long as Raimi is in charge, you will not see Carnage on screen.

TheSlag

04-28-2009, 09:13 PM

:whatever: Just no pleasing some people. If you don't like his directing so much, boycott the films.

Ah, now I got it! Either you accept everything Raimi shovels down your throat or YOU'RE NOT A REAL FAN!!!! lol.. Thanks for clearing that up.

:whatever:

Thanks! But no thanks! Some of us care too much about the subject matter to put on the cheerleader outfit and shake our Pom Pom's whenever Sir Raimi passes wind and calls it art. :woot:

But you keep drinking your Kool-Aid, I hear they are coming out with the super duper Care Bear flavor later this year.

Reikowolf

04-29-2009, 12:51 PM

Ah, now I got it! Either you accept everything Raimi shovels down your throat or YOU'RE NOT A REAL FAN!!!! lol.. Thanks for clearing that up.

:whatever:

Thanks! But no thanks! Some of us care too much about the subject matter to put on the cheerleader outfit and shake our Pom Pom's whenever Sir Raimi passes wind and calls it art. :woot:

But you keep drinking your Kool-Aid, I hear they are coming out with the super duper Care Bear flavor later this year.

:oldrazz: calm down spaz.

I'm not telling you to accept anything, and I'm also not telling you that you're not a fan.

If you want change, then make it happen. If you want Raimi out, stop watching his films and convince others not to, as soon as the franchise stops making money the studio will shut it all down and reboot it again when they see interest rise.

Don't believe me? Look at the Batman Franchise.

TheVileOne

04-30-2009, 03:31 AM

Good Carnage sucks and I don't want him in a movie.

I'm happy to know Raimi doesn't like Carnage and the clone saga.

LightningFlash

04-30-2009, 03:46 AM

Does anyone like the clone saga? Lol.

Reikowolf

04-30-2009, 08:56 AM

speaking of clones. has anyone read the new after-credits ending to Wolverine?

LightningFlash

04-30-2009, 01:10 PM

New one?

Is it still him at the Asian bar?

Reikowolf

04-30-2009, 04:04 PM

New one?

Is it still him at the Asian bar?

No, in addition to that.

was not on leaked screener

LightningFlash

04-30-2009, 05:59 PM

Wow...so a NEW scene?

Have you read about it yet or no?

Intrigues me...especially with you saying "speaking of clones"...

plus the movie wasn't that bad....the leaked version was pretty good, even though the missing CGI made me chuckle.

The only bad part I had with the movie was the final battle.

Milu

04-30-2009, 09:24 PM

As long as Raimi is in charge, you will not see Carnage on screen.
Good.

Carnage was everything that was wrong with 90's comics.

TheSlag

04-30-2009, 11:02 PM

:oldrazz: calm down spaz.

I'm not telling you to accept anything, and I'm also not telling you that you're not a fan.

If you want change, then make it happen. If you want Raimi out, stop watching his films and convince others not to, as soon as the franchise stops making money the studio will shut it all down and reboot it again when they see interest rise.

Don't believe me? Look at the Batman Franchise.

Ahhh.. resorting to name calling. You are truely one of the "great debaters" of our time. And the wonderful Mods of the board will come in now and tell me to "cool it". :whatever:

Now, try to graps this "complex" concept Sparky... Perhaps I can be critical of a Director or a Movie and still enjoy aspects of it.

WOW.. yep, hard to imagine (for some.. I know)

Screenscribe

05-02-2009, 05:30 PM

Carnage would be such a bad idea... even Venom was a waste... Arad forced Venom in the movie on Raimi... Raimi was pretty pissed about it. Look at his interview lately when he said that he got total control... You could tell that the Vemon stuff was really an after thought... it didn't blend very well into SM3.... I hope they can pull this off... I was very disappointed in SM3... but then many franchises loose steam... you can only tell so many stories without a fresh approach

Metal Spidey

05-02-2009, 05:54 PM

Wouldn't it be funny if Carnage is a Hulk sized CG monster that talked in a British accent? Man I can see the internet up in arms about that one. :hehe:

Venom160

05-02-2009, 06:27 PM

Wouldn't it be funny if Carnage is a Hulk sized CG monster that talked in a British accent? Man I can see the internet up in arms about that one. :hehe:I could definitely see that happening if Fox was making it.

Sam Fisher

05-05-2009, 11:58 AM

Carnage will not be in SM4.

Aunt Carnage will.

Reikowolf

05-05-2009, 01:52 PM

Colossus

05-05-2009, 08:08 PM

Carnage would be ideal for the FINAL Spiderman movie. What would have made it even better is if Venom lived and threw down with Carnage.

LightningFlash

05-05-2009, 08:39 PM

Did you see it?

It was described differently on a website I saw it on (prior to the screening)

Yah, I watched it....

One scene is of course, Wolverine at the Japanese bar, but I saw that on the leaked version...but when I went to see it Saturday night, the new scene after the credits was about Deadpool.

The sword went back into his arm, and we see that his arm was cut off and it crawls over to Deadpool's decapitated head, and the stitching on his mouth is now off as the hand pets Deadpool's head, and Deadpool opens his mouth and says "ssshhh".

It was creepy, funny, cool...and excites me to see a Deadpool movie.

And am pretty sure it was Reynold's voice and not the guy who portrayed as Deadpool in the end.

weezerspider

05-05-2009, 08:44 PM

LightningFlash I was thinking the same thing about Rondo last night while watching the game lol

anyways, do we really need Carnage? There is plenty of great villains that have yet to be used in a film.

LightningFlash

05-05-2009, 08:49 PM

Haha....I was waiting for Brad Miller(from the Bulls) to punch Rondo...maybe it'll manly up Rondo's face, haha. But sadly Chicago lost.

But glad Magic beat 'em. Maybe Dwight will do it.

Adrian89

05-06-2009, 07:43 AM

I'd really love to see a Deadpool Movie!

It's too bad they didn't gaved Wade more screentime in Wolverine.

anyways, do we really need Carnage? There is plenty of great villains that have yet to be used in a film.
I really don't think anyone should worry about Carnage being in a movie. At least he won't be as long as Raimi will be directing these movies.

Reikowolf

05-06-2009, 10:08 AM

Yah, I watched it....

One scene is of course, Wolverine at the Japanese bar, but I saw that on the leaked version...but when I went to see it Saturday night, the new scene after the credits was about Deadpool.

The sword went back into his arm, and we see that his arm was cut off and it crawls over to Deadpool's decapitated head, and the stitching on his mouth is now off as the hand pets Deadpool's head, and Deadpool opens his mouth and says "ssshhh".

It was creepy, funny, cool...and excites me to see a Deadpool movie.

And am pretty sure it was Reynold's voice and not the guy who portrayed as Deadpool in the end.

Really? I thought is was Reynolds the whole time *except for stunts of course* Looked a lot like him even with the make up

LightningFlash

05-06-2009, 01:04 PM

Really? I thought is was Reynolds the whole time *except for stunts of course* Looked a lot like him even with the make up

Scott Adkins as Weapon XI....that's from wikipedia....I know it was most likely Reynold's voice at the end, but Adkins did play XI during the battle scene, and possibly Ryan played him when just walking towards Wolverine, etc.

But a Deadpool movie has been confirmed, so I'm psyched, although we might not see the suit because they said about detailing Deadpool's origins, and not what came after Wolverine.

shinlyle

05-06-2009, 03:59 PM

Man, I will actually stay home if Carnage is in the movie. What a terrible villian for Spider-Man. His first appearance was cool, but everything since then was just rubbish.

As for Raimi, I'm excited that he is returning and in full creative control.:applaud

spidermilk

05-17-2009, 11:48 AM

Metal Spidey

05-17-2009, 01:41 PM

I was just wondering, we all know why Carnage was speculated, right? Because of the tiers, right?

E.Brock

05-19-2009, 12:52 PM

LOL! He probably knows nothing because this ridiculous movie is probably not going to happen. Just another brain fart of Arad's.

I'm stunned Raimi even knows who Carnage is. Probably knows him from researching Venom for SM-3.

In case any of you haven't seen this...

http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/04/09/exclusive-writers-play-coy-on-early-venom-spin-off-details/

Joker

05-19-2009, 01:03 PM

In case any of you haven't seen this...

http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/04/09/exclusive-writers-play-coy-on-early-venom-spin-off-details/

I have. And I still believe Venom spin off will not happen. Movies stay in development limbo for years and are eventually scrapped.

Venom cannot carry a movie on his own. He's too shallow a character. He only works [barely] as a villain to Spidey. That's the entire basis of his being.