The North Korean Situation

[celldog]

Where's ultimate Cap when you need him??

[celldog]

Now...can anyone imagine what Iran would do if they got the bomb??

[Truthteller]

No I didn't. Japan has a weak army, Korea got nukes, how the hell Japan can kick Korea's ass? And btw, where is the ass of Korea?Guess who Japan's new (since end of WWII) best friend is? Thats how.

[Halcohol]

Now...can anyone imagine what Iran would do if they got the bomb??
Probably not much. They've got their own problems.

[demento]

Japan's got nukes too, right?
Japan could have nukes in less than a year. They've got the uranium and they've got the tech. Their Constitution prohibits them from developing them but that's nothing that an emergency ammendment couldn't fix.

[3 Dev Adam]

Guess who Japan's new (since end of WWII) best friend is? Thats how.

Then, it's not JAPAN that will kick Korea's ass. They will only watch the mushroom cloud from a vantage point.

[Halcohol]

Japan could have nukes in less than a year. They've got the uranium and they've got the tech. Their Constitution prohibits them from developing them but that's nothing that an emergency ammendment couldn't fix.
That's always a good solution to a problem. Amend the constitution. That'll NEVER cause problems. :p

I really don't wanna live in another Cold War. I don't.

[Sunstar]

EDIT: I think this sums it all up!

http://www.mg.co.za/ContentImages/2561/10-oct06x.gif

http://www.mg.co.za/zapiro/imagePage.aspx?YearId=2006|MonthId=10|DayId=10

Japan doesn't have nuclear weapons but its got nuclear powered allies so its safe! For now...........

[demento]

That's always a good solution to a problem. Amend the constitution. That'll NEVER cause problems. :p

I really don't wanna live in another Cold War. I don't.
:cwink: Methinks it's already too late and that an arms race over there is inevitable. Japan will arm up, perhaps eventually Australia as well.

[3 Dev Adam]

Japan could have nukes in less than a year. They've got the uranium and they've got the tech. Their Constitution prohibits them from developing them but that's nothing that an emergency ammendment couldn't fix.
Meh, they should stop this nuke nonsense and build those nifty Maser cannons instead.

http://www.tohokingdom.com/images/aliens_sdf/type66_maser_01.jpghttp://www.tohokingdom.com/images/aliens_sdf/type66_maser_02.jpg

[demento]

^ Waiting for someone to PhotoShop Kim Jung's face onto Godzilla...

[ord0g]

Australia won't arm up. We do have plenty of uranium resources but it won't be happening. It's interesting to see NK claim that they could hit the US or Australia with a nuclear warhead but I don't see it happening unless they strapped the damn thing to some NK distance swimmers and swam across the ocean to detonate it.

[maxwell's demon]

yknow, the odd thing about this thread is that if you read the thread title, what it's saying as that MCain thinks North Korea sucks because somehow it was responsible for Clinton getting elected.

[Darthphere]

No, not really.

[3 Dev Adam]

I really don't wanna live in another Cold War. I don't.

Why not? Those were good days. Bond villains were really interesting during Cold Wartime.

[maxwell's demon]

yes really:cmad:

[Darthphere]

No Waii!

[Darthphere]

This will all end in a game of katamari Damacy.

[Halcohol]

Australia won't arm up. We do have plenty of uranium resources but it won't be happening. It's interesting to see NK claim that they could hit the US or Australia with a nuclear warhead but I don't see it happening unless they strapped the damn thing to some NK distance swimmers and swam across the ocean to detonate it.
I heard the Koreans have rockets capable of striking central North America... I dunno.

Although it DOES give the new Bond someone else to fight besides Nazis and Russians.

[maxwell's demon]

Thread title, basically:
McCain: "Who's to Blame on this whole Clinton thing? North Korea!"
see?

now you're my least favorite person forever!:cmad:

[Darthphere]

Yeah I could see how you read that, if youre retarded.:cmad:

[blind_fury]

Japan should send over 100 sexy schoolgirls (17+) to North Korea. That would end tension in the southern peninsula region. ;)

[maxwell's demon]

no the thread title is retarded!:cmad:

[maxwell's demon]

let's form a rock band together.

[Darthphere]

Ok.

[demento]

Japan should send over 100 sexy schoolgirls (17+) to North Korea. That would end tension in the southern peninsula region. ;)
I think Kim's already abducted a couple hundred of those for his own personal use.

[maxwell's demon]

what instrument do you play?

[Darthphere]

The recorder.

[Apollo]

a wacka wacka wacka

[maxwell's demon]

that's cool.

[Darthphere]

I also play those blue sticks you rub together to make sounds.

[The Lizard]

As opposed to what you see on all those GODZILLA movies, Japan has no powerful weapons since WWII.


Wait a minute, you mean Japan doesn't actually have Maser Cannons? :(

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7131/type90maser01gt3.jpg

[Erzengel]

You better hope Japan wins or else your precious PS3's will take even longer to come out.

[ObakeTora]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,25689-2400584,00.html

[Daisy]

McCain's right. Clinton is ENTIRELY North Korea's fault. :o

I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that.

[maxwell's demon]

damn- i did too, but i didn't catch Urich's post.:csad:

[blind_fury]

1) China isn't going to take North Korea's side. That's suicide.

2) America can't take on North Korea with 200 thousand troops in Iraq.

[Daisy]

damn- i did too, but i didn't catch Urich's post.:csad:

I did see that... but your initial reaction to the thread was to join in the bickering. :O

When I read the title, while I knew what he meant (for, not on), I laughed (and then looked to see if anyone else had already made the observation).

I'm tired of bickering. :csad: I want a world of sunshine and light, where everyone is smiling and happy all day. :yay:

Want some kool-aide?

[maxwell's demon]

I did see that... but your initial reaction to the thread was to join in the bickering. :O

When I read the title, while I knew what he meant (for, not on), I laughed (and then looked to see if anyone else had already made the observation).

I'm tired of bickering. :csad: I want a world of sunshine and light, where everyone is smiling and happy all day. :yay:

Want some kool-aide?
no. i saw it initially too, but decided to forego making the remark till things had cooled down a bit:o


And yes. lets form a rock band together. Phere jsut got kicked out.

[Daisy]

no. i saw it initially too, but decided to forego making the remark till things had cooled down a bit:o


And yes. lets form a rock band together. Phere jsut got kicked out.

Okay. I play bass. :up:

[maxwell's demon]

you're so much cooler than Phere. don't tell him i said that.

[Daisy]

That's cuz I'm a chick that plays bass. :)

How much cooler can you get? :huh:

Poor Phere didn't really have a chance. :csad:

[3 Dev Adam]

Wait a minute, you mean Japan doesn't actually have Maser Cannons? :(

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7131/type90maser01gt3.jpg

Unfortunatelly, no. And Japan was never actually flattened by Godzilla, King Ghidorah, Mothra, Ebirah, King Caesar, Kumonga, Manda, Rodan, Baragon, Anguirus, Kumonga, Kamakira, Varan, Megalon, Gigan...

[CrypticOne]

Japan is so gonna kick North Korea's @ss:up:

I'd like to see that.

[3 Dev Adam]

I'd like to see that.

If they use an army of Kiriyu, I'd REALLY love to see that.

[Sloth7d]

Japan has a death star ray that can wipe out the world in their arsenal. They just don't want you to know that.:cwink:

[kane9321]

this might not end well

[Sloth7d]

this might not end well
I know. If Japan is destroyed how am I gonna see new episodes of Bleach?:huh:

[Darthphere]

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

[Rayne]

Hence why I said it disgusts me that he's playing the blame game. Playing the blame game on both Bush and Clinton is just pointless, useless, and does nothing.

How about instead of playing the blame game, we go out and do something about it :up:


Because, in a lesson ALL OF US need to learn (and no offense, but especially the libs, who have practically no memory prior to Bush being elected) we need to understand what the mistakes of the past were so that we may not make the same mistakes again. Conservatives understand this, but I don't think anyone else does. That includes half of Republicans.

[jaguarr]

That's cuz I'm a chick that plays bass. :)

How much cooler can you get? :huh:

Poor Phere didn't really have a chance. :csad:

Don't fall for it. Max is just going to wind up going all freak-o on you like Billy Corgan did to D'Arcy. :down

jag

[Mr Sparkle]

Because, in a lesson ALL OF US need to learn (and no offense, but especially the libs, who have practically no memory prior to Bush being elected) we need to understand what the mistakes of the past were so that we may not make the same mistakes again. Conservatives understand this, but I don't think anyone else does. That includes half of Republicans.

SD Padres is the best evah!!!!!
they understand baseball like nobody else!!!!
WOOOOOO PADRES!!!!!!!

[Mr Sparkle]

Don't fall for it. Max is just going to wind up going all freak-o on you like Billy Corgan did to D'Arcy. :down

jag


poor D'arcy is looking like "Courtney Love II electric boogaloo" these days

[Rayne]

SD Padres is the best evah!!!!!
they understand baseball like nobody else!!!!
WOOOOOO PADRES!!!!!!!

What point are you trying to make, other than raising your post total and putting your name all over another thread?

[Mr Sparkle]

What point are you trying to make, other than raising your post total and putting your name all over another thread?

if you have to ask.......

http://www.waipahuhigh.k12.hi.us/cheerleader%20resize.jpg
go team!!!!!

[roach]

1)
2) America can't take on North Korea with 200 thousand troops in Iraq.


US Army
494,291 Active duty
342,918 ARNG
204,134 Army Reserve

US Marines
180,000 Active Duty
40,000 Reserve

[Mr Sparkle]

When you Threaten in japan, tonight
Threaten japan, be tight, Threaten japan where the eastern seas so blue
Threaten japan, alright, pay, then Ill sleep by your side
Things are easy when you Threaten japan, when you Threaten japan

[maxwell's demon]

poor D'arcy is looking like "Courtney Love II electric boogaloo" these days

right now i am lauging out louding.



EDIT- *laughing. i was laughign too hard to type coreectly.

[maxwell's demon]

crap:csad:

[blind_fury]

US Army
494,291 Active duty
342,918 ARNG
204,134 Army Reserve

US Marines
180,000 Active Duty
40,000 Reserve
1 million = North Korean Army

[Mr Sparkle]

It is, D'arcy was hot.

[jaguarr]

right now i am lauging out louding.



EDIT- *laughing. i was laughign too hard to type coreectly.

Way to go, "Billy".

jag

[Movies205]

I skim the article and felt it was simply political pandering to the masses, but the comments to it are surprising. God why do you people actually care that John McCain is playing the blame game, he's a politician, the masses don't want to hear solutions they want to hear blame. How many of the *****es on this board go around bad mouthing bush for ****ing everything up, how many conservatives blame the left for cutting and running. I'm sure he trying ot ocme up with a solution but he needs votes, and blaming and grandstanding are the best way to get that, God Hilary Clinton knows htat better than anyone. I don't read much into this.

-The American people don't care... Here's a statistic, in 1975 half of America tune into national news nightly, in 1996 it was down to a quarter. Here's another hte amount of crime shown on local news has risen drastically in recent years while ironically the crime rate has actually GONE DOWN. Americans like blaming and entertainment, so I don't read much into this other than for a show for hte people.

[Rayne]

if you have to ask.......

http://www.waipahuhigh.k12.hi.us/cheerleader%20resize.jpg
go team!!!!!


Yeah I guess that would've been cool if it was actually funny.

[Mr Sparkle]

Yeah I guess that would've been cool if it was actually funny.

LOL, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's not funny.

[maxwell's demon]

I skim the article and felt it was simply political pandering to the masses, but the comments to it are surprising. God why do you people actually care that ....

-The American people don't care... Here's a statistic, in 1975 half of America tune into national news nightly, in 1996 it was down to a quarter. ....

you sound like Morg in this post:csad:

[hippie_hunter]

Because, in a lesson ALL OF US need to learn (and no offense, but especially the libs, who have practically no memory prior to Bush being elected) we need to understand what the mistakes of the past were so that we may not make the same mistakes again. Conservatives understand this, but I don't think anyone else does. That includes half of Republicans.

Conservatives are just as guilty as the "libs"

Instead of just facing the problem, they play the blame game on each other and nothing gets done.

[Movies205]

you sound like Morg in this post:csad:

I don't make the statistics, I'm simply saying that in today's world, it's the fault of both the media and the people.

[maxwell's demon]

that's not what i meant.

[Movies205]

that's not what i meant.

Oh :huh:

[3 Dev Adam]

I know. If Japan is destroyed how am I gonna see new episodes of Bleach?:huh:

Where will I buy WOODY WOODPECKER DVDs? Japan is the only place in the world that sells Woody's entire collection of the vintage TV shows!

[blind_fury]

really? where can I get them? Do they sell mighty mouse too?

[3 Dev Adam]

Here:

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/search/ref=nb_ss_gw/250-1939108-0631446?__mk_ja_JP=%83J%83%5E%83J%83i&url=search-alias%3Ddvd&field-keywords=woody+woodpecker&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

No Mighty Mouse, sorry.

[blind_fury]

thanks.

[dpm07]

US Army
494,291 Active duty
342,918 ARNG
204,134 Army Reserve

US Marines
180,000 Active Duty
40,000 Reserve

Not all of those troops are frontline troops. Furthermore, not all of those troops are infantry. Some are higher ranking NCO's and SNCO's, as well as Officers. Not to mention, there are women in those numbers, and women do not serve on the frontlines of battle in the US. In many other countries they do, but not in the American military.

The US does not have the physical manpower to engage in the type of armed conflict that would be required to deal with NK.

Finally, the US does not have the stomach for long drawn out conflicts. Support for the Iraq War is very quickly eroding, and it is highly unlikely that there would be support for a new enemy. We're having a hard time dealing with all the uprisings in Iraq, and the reason we actually beat them per se so quickly was because they didn't stand and fight. North Korea is not like that. They will fight to the bitter end, and have the capability of raining down approximately 500, 000 artillery shells an hour into Seoul Korea. That's where their concentrated firepower is focused.

Most of the US fighting style of using tanks would not be too effective in the terrain of North Korea, and the climate can get very cold in the winter time. Comparable to MI in January. Add in the fact that they have a lot of hills and mountains, and it really becomes a difficult war to engage.

Kim has already said that if we start moving troops or building up over in SK, then he will take that as an act of aggression and respond accordingly.

[TrailerCues]

Kim has already said that if we start moving troops or building up over in SK, then he will take that as an act of aggression and respond accordingly.

Kim has said that he sees that the sanctions that NK is being given is an act of aggression

[blind_fury]

yup. NK considers sactions an act of war.

Yeah they're crazy. Crazy like a fox.

[dpm07]

Kim has said that he sees that the sancitions (or however you spell that) that NK is being given is an act of aggression

You are right with regard to sanctions as well. And, if he sees sanctions as an act of aggression, he will really be mad if we start sending troops over to SK to bolster the 37,000 troops already there.

[TrailerCues]

You are right with regard to sanctions as well. And, if he sees sanctions as an act of aggression, he will really be mad if we start sending troops over to SK to bolster the 37,000 troops already there.

The only thing I think we should be worried about is if North Korea starts attacking our allies near them (who are basically defenseless) Bush has promised to help defend them if North Korea does anything like that what I wonder is how North Korea will see that when the U.S. does go in & help defend allies. Im sure we will not send any troops tehre (as Bush has said) unless one of our allies gets attacked by North Korea

[TrailerCues]

China agrees that "strong measures" are needed against North Korea over its reported nuclear test, a White House official said on Thursday after a senior Chinese envoy met President George W. Bush.

China sent its former foreign minister, Tang Jiaxuan, to Washington to make the case for a measured response to North Korea as it resisted some elements of a package of sanctions Washington is pushing at the
United Nations.

J.D. Crouch, White House deputy national security adviser, acknowledged the "possibility for some differences" over the specifics of the U.S.-proposed a
U.N. Security Council resolution.

But he said there was a "broad understanding" with China over the way forward and said the details would be negotiated.

"The Chinese came with a message that they agree that there had to be some strong measures that were taken to convince the North Koreans to get back on a positive negotiating track," Crouch told reporters on Air Force One as he flew with the president on a visit to St. Louis.

Tang, a member of China's state council, met Bush and members of his national security team in the White House after Beijing said sanctions should not be aimed at punishment but at encouraging a peaceful end to the crisis.

At the United Nations, China and Russia cast doubt on the possibility that the Security Council would vote on Friday on sanctions proposed by the United States, as Washington wants.

Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice, who met Tang, also made clear there could be some delay in the vote. "I don't know that it will be tomorrow but I think it will be soon ... Things are moving along," she told reporters in Washington.

Rice and Bush's national security adviser,
Stephen Hadley, met Tang on Thursday and then they all had further talks with Bush in the Oval Office.

"There was a strong emphasis on both the Chinese and the U.S. side that we needed to find a way to get the North Koreans to implement their agreement ... to denuclearize the Korean peninsula," Crouch said.

Tang was due to fly on later to Moscow.

The announcement from Pyongyang on Monday that it had carried out a nuclear test prompted stiff Chinese and Russian condemnation and had encouraged U.S. hopes for a united response from the big powers at the United Nations.

But both Russia and China are anxious to avoid driving their impoverished neighbor further into a corner, possibly triggering instability on the Korean peninsula.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061012/pl_nm/korea_north_usa_dc_19;_ylt=AhshrEUuFPLUJLni9KBDqfe CscEA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

[Kenji Li]

easy with the threads about NK.

[lazur]

what practical experience could you have? are in government or the military?
:huh: Clinton didn't "gut the military" he gave less money to defense contractors.

Sorry for my late response. Life interjected momentarily...

Umm, I already said earlier that I was in the Air Force during Clinton's Presidency (I was in from 89 to 95), and YES he did INDEED "gut" the military. People were being cut left and right. I had FRIENDS who were forced to get out on early retirement and others who, while not forced, got out anyway because they were stuck doing the job of four people. Anyone who asked to get out was not refused. What does THAT say about the military?? Not only did he gut the military of it's personnel, but also of it's resources by closing a record number of military bases around the country. Not to mention the economic hardship closing so many bases caused on the locals around said bases.

Sure, 10 to 15 years later it's easy to say "he didn't gut the military, he gave less money to contractors", but unless you were there, experiencing it for yourself, you don't know squat about the subject.

[TrailerCues]

easy with the threads about NK.

Easy with the threads about fake meetings with celebrities

[Kenji Li]

Easy with the threads about fake meetings with celebrities

i only did one, plus it was real.:cmad:

seriously dude, there are ****loads of threads about north korea.

[TrailerCues]

plus it was real.:cmad:

Sure its real & Im having a secret affair with Angelina Jolie & Pitt doesnt know anything its real because I say it is real :woot: & hey blame North Korea on being in the news so much

[Outsiderzedge]

i only did one, plus it was real.:cmad:

seriously dude, there are ****loads of threads about north korea.

Maybe nuclear annihilation is a more pressing matter to some people than which celebrity you've met. Pretty crazy, eh?

[Kenji Li]

Sure its real & Im having a secret affair with Angelina Jolie & Pitt doesnt know anything its real because I say it is real :woot: & hey blame North Korea on being in the news so much


U DARE MOCK ME !!!!!:cmad:











:oldrazz:

[maxwell's demon]

Lazur- once again, its not a fact, its an opinion. and its an exaggeration. Unless, When GWB took office, he literally had liek, 10 soldiears, three planes, and half a tank, then no- Clinton did not "gut" the military.

i'm not saying he didnt make cutbacks, i dont think Sparkle was saying he didnt make cutbacks, but he didnt "gut" the military. If you want to make a statment liek that, then you need to back it up with cold hard figures.

WE spend roughly half our budget onthe military-which is a RIDICULOUSLY large amount tt begin with*. So... did he reduce it to 10% of our overall budget? 20%? 30%? what?


*my opinion:o

[TrailerCues]

U DARE MOCK ME

I am The Mocker :woot:

[dpm07]

The only thing I think we should be worried about is if North Korea starts attacking our allies near them (who are basically defenseless) Bush has promised to help defend them if North Korea does anything like that what I wonder is how North Korea will see that when the U.S. does go in & help defend allies. Im sure we will not send any troops tehre (as Bush has said) unless one of our allies gets attacked by North Korea

I completely agree with you on this as well. I personally don't see NK attacking any of the countries in the area. I do see them wanting to have nukes as a leverage to ensure their own safety that no one will invade them.

After a while, I think things will die down. The current administration wants to save face diplomatically, because they really can not afford to send any troops, hence the need to involve other regional countries in the talks, i.e. SK, Russia, China, Japan, and maybe Australia to some extent.

If put into a situation to defend a regional ally in the area, the US will likely do so, however, it's a scenario that I am sure they don't want, as it puts the US in a very difficult position as they are currently spread so thin right now.

[roach]

dammmmit im supposed to be transfering over there in Febuary

[3 Dev Adam]

War is upon us.

[roach]

Not all of those troops are frontline troops. Furthermore, not all of those troops are infantry. Some are higher ranking NCO's and SNCO's, as well as Officers. Not to mention, there are women in those numbers, and women do not serve on the frontlines of battle in the US. In many other countries they do, but not in the American military.
In today's Army they are all infantry but have different jobs. Higer ranking NCO's and SNCO's fight also. See how many women are over in Iraq right now.


The US does not have the physical manpower to engage in the type of armed conflict that would be required to deal with NK.

Finally, the US does not have the stomach for long drawn out conflicts. Support for the Iraq War is very quickly eroding, and it is highly unlikely that there would be support for a new enemy. We're having a hard time dealing with all the uprisings in Iraq, and the reason we actually beat them per se so quickly was because they didn't stand and fight. North Korea is not like that. They will fight to the bitter end, and have the capability of raining down approximately 500, 000 artillery shells an hour into Seoul Korea. That's where their concentrated firepower is focused.

Most of the US fighting style of using tanks would not be too effective in the terrain of North Korea, and the climate can get very cold in the winter time. Comparable to MI in January. Add in the fact that they have a lot of hills and mountains, and it really becomes a difficult war to engage.
That would be the Army's method of fighting but you forget that Afghanistan is just as hilly and mountainous.


Kim has already said that if we start moving troops or building up over in SK, then he will take that as an act of aggression and respond accordingly.

Dont believe the media hype that we arent capable of fighting on various fronts

[Mr Sparkle]

Dont believe the media hype that we arent capable of fighting on various fronts

certain members of the military also said this , are they lying?

[Revolver_Ocelot]

NK sucks, we should just nuke them.

[3 Dev Adam]

NK sucks, we should just nuke them.

Oh yeah, that would make the World MUCH better... :rolleyes::whatever:

[GoldenAgeHero]

nintendo:(

[Fred_Fury]

Send in the 3rd ID! Nous Resterons La Volens et Potens!

[KingOfDreams]

I really really hope to see an effective United Nations before I die, but I'm not holding out much hope right now.

I'm hoping the new seceretary general (hasn't taken the position yet as far as I know though and is from South Korea) can do something to strengthen the organization but yes, it does seem to be up to the member nations to fix it to a certain extent.

[KingOfDreams]

North Korea dont have oil.

Neither does Darfur to my knowledge. I rest my case.

[Gonking]

We should have gone to North Korea instead of Iraq. But as it stands now, I think it might be a mistake to attack North Korea. That would just escelate the already tentious (if that's even a word) situation in that region regarding nukes. And besides, our army is stretched very thin right now.

You should have gone anywhere, stay there, in your country.
United States has to stop being the police of the world once and for all.

[demento]

Wow. Check this out:

North Korea might now have The Bomb, but it doesn't have much electricity
Last updated at 20:15pm on 12th October 2006

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/10/koreaREU121006_228x295.jpg

As the world grapples with how to rein in the "axis of evil" state which this week conducted a nuclear test, this spectacular satellite photo unveiled yesterday by US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld shows in stark detail the haves and have-nots of the Korean peninsula.

The regime in the north is so short of electricity that the whole country is switched off at 9 p.m. - apart from the capital of Pyongyang where dictator Kim Jong-il and his cohorts live in relative luxury. But even there, lighting is drastically reduced.

The result, as shown in this picture taken one night earlier this week, is a startling contrast between the blacked-out north and the south, which is ablaze with light, particularly around major cities and the capital, Seoul, in the north-west of the country.

Mr Rumsfeld showed the picture to illustrate how backward the northern regime really is - and how oppressed its people are. Without electricity there can be none of the appliances that make life easy and that we take for granted, he said.

"Except for my wife and family, that is my favourite photo," said Mr Rumsfeld.

"It says it all. There's the south, the same people as the north, the same resources north and south, and the big difference is in the south it's a free political system and a free economic system.

"The people in the north are starving, their growth is stunted. It's a shame, a tragedy."

An aide added: "This oppressive regime is too busy trying to make war to make life comfortable for its people."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=410158&in_page_id=1811

[ObakeTora]

so Bush hase lessened the sanctions he will place on Nk. Hmm it appears my assumption was correct, we are indeed afraid of China.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061013/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear_237

[ObakeTora]

LOL. Yeah exactly, Bush has no interest. I say we go over there and stop the threat from happening before it's too late. Who's with me?


I say we should stop hiding behind diplomacy and just go out and conquer the entire world.

[KingOfDreams]

United States has to stop being the police of the world once and for all.

If the U.N. was stronger than maybe we wouldn't have to be. I know this may sound like I endorse our current foreign policy but that isn't the case. I'm just looking at the reality of the situation. It's really a fine line to walk. While I don't want us to be the world's police because in doing so we as a country get damaged more often than not, I do think that since we have the power and the means we should do our part to help the rest of the world. I'm not an isolationist by any means. But by helping out I don't necessarily mean war of course. I'm a pacifist too but I also like to think I'm a realist.

[KingOfDreams]

I say we should stop hiding behind diplomacy and just go out and conquer the entire world.

:whatever:

[KingOfDreams]

Wow. Check this out:

Yeah, I learned about that awhile ago. But Rumsfeld and his aide's comment are kind of funny in a pot calling the kettle black kind of way.

[Kmack]

Wrong.
How do you know?:ninja:

[KingOfDreams]

Man, they're getting a bit uppity aren't they?

[KingOfDreams]

Dont believe the media hype that we arent capable of fighting on various fronts

Then how do you explain what's happening in Afghanistan and Iraq right now?

[War Lord]

Wrong.

No.

But they now plan on having them.

[KingOfDreams]

Yeah, but you forget the number one American export nowadays: FEAR!!!!!

True. A culture of hear has definitely been created.

[KingOfDreams]

Wrong.

While slim, there might be a chance that Japan moves to modify thier constitution to allow for nukes if they feel NK is enough of a threat.

[hippie_hunter]

so Bush hase lessened the sanctions he will place on Nk. Hmm it appears my assumption was correct, we are indeed afraid of China.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061013/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear_237

No, it's not that we're afraid of China, it's that China has veto power in the Security Council. China and Russia don't want tough sanctions on North Korea at the moment. So instead of pushing for tough sanctions and get nowhere, we push for lesser sanctions proceed foward and wait for China and Russia look like asses once again like they have with Iran. And like Iran, if this keeps up, they'll be the ones to back down and push for what the United States wants.

[hippie_hunter]

The US does not have the physical manpower to engage in the type of armed conflict that would be required to deal with NK.

You forget that the American military is the most technologically advanced military in the world. Technology can go quite far in war.

[3 Dev Adam]

How do you know?:ninja:

It's a hystorical fact. Japan doesn't have nukes RIGHT NOW.

But that doesn't rule out the fact that they CAN build nukes in the very, very near future.

[3 Dev Adam]

No.

But they now plan on having them.

Yes, but RIGHT NOW they don't have nukes. Yet.

[War Lord]

You forget that the American military is the most technologically advanced military in the world. Technology can go quite far in war.

Not to mention that a country like North Korea doesn't need a full-blown invasion to take care of it. A few well chosen targets with cruise missiles or nukes would take care of it reasonably well.

[War Lord]

Yes, but RIGHT NOW they don't have nukes. Yet.

Because Japan relies heavily on nuclear power for it's energy supply, they'd be well ahead of schedule in getting them if they wanted to.

[3 Dev Adam]

Because Japan relies heavily on nuclear power for it's energy supply, they'd be well ahead of schedule in getting them if they wanted to.
Not necessarily. A Nuclear Plant is, basically, a hi-tech microwave used to BOIL WATER, thus creating electricity.

The Uranium used on Nuclear Plants is not the same kind used to provide an A-Bomb (nuclear fission) or an H-Bomb (nuclear fusion) with its destructive powers.

But YES, Japan can create an H-Bomb in less time than usual.

[Motown Marvel]

japan should talk china into sending zombie bruce lee into north korea and just kick all their asses.

[KingOfDreams]

Umm, Bruce Lee's American. But if there was an army of either ninjas or samurai I think they'd be more effective than a traditional modern army.

[War Lord]

Not necessarily. A Nuclear Plant is, basically, a hi-tech microwave used to BOIL WATER, thus creating electricity.

The Uranium used on Nuclear Plants is not the same kind used to provide an A-Bomb (nuclear fission) or an H-Bomb (nuclear fission) with its destructive powers.

But YES, Japan can create an H-Bomb in less time than usual.

One of the dirty secrets about the nuclear industry is that any nuclear power plant can be converted to military uses if need be. The only difference between the fuel used to power homes and the fuel used to make bombs is the degree of refinement.

That came straight from the mouth of a nuclear scientist I heard once.

[Motown Marvel]

Umm, Bruce Lee's American. But if there was an army of either ninjas or samurai I think they'd be more effective than a traditional modern army.
yeah, but do you really think america can call on the furious fists of zombie bruce lee?! psh!

[hippie_hunter]

Not necessarily. A Nuclear Plant is, basically, a hi-tech microwave used to BOIL WATER, thus creating electricity.

The Uranium used on Nuclear Plants is not the same kind used to provide an A-Bomb (nuclear fission) or an H-Bomb (nuclear fusion) with its destructive powers.

But YES, Japan can create an H-Bomb in less time than usual.

If they wanted to, the members of the G8 that don't have nuclear weapons could produce one within a matter of 2-3 years

[War Lord]

If they wanted to, the members of the G8 that don't have nuclear weapons could produce one within a matter of 2-3 years

Except Canada. We can hardly ensure that our Canadian soldiers have working weapons and vehicles, much less produce a nuke.

[hippie_hunter]

Except Canada. We can hardly ensure that our Canadian soldiers have working weapons and vehicles, much less produce a nuke.

Canada has the ability too.

[War Lord]

Canada has the ability too.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Maybe, if Harper can stay in office for the next ten years and has the military built up to a reasonable level.

Than maybe.

[hippie_hunter]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Maybe, if Harper can stay in office for the next ten years and has the military built up to a reasonable level.

Than maybe.

Seriously, just move to freaking America or try and get Alberta annexed into the United States.

[War Lord]

Seriously, just move to freaking America or try and get Alberta annexed into the United States.

Oh shush.

If a vote to get Alberta to leave Canada came up, I'd support it. However, until it comes up, you get to live with me.

[Backdrifter]

N. Korea will never do anything. It's contained.

[dpm07]

You forget that the American military is the most technologically advanced military in the world. Technology can go quite far in war.

I haven't forgotten. As much time as I've been in the military, you don't forget. That said, a technological military can sometimes work against you as well.

Technology. Look at Iraq: Our technology works against us. At Fort Drum, this year alone there have been 4 Black Hawk crashes. think about in wartime. it'll be worse. Not to mention, it's the knowledge of how to use that technology. American soldiers don't aim, they spray in the general direction. they get lucky a lot by enemy soldiers being lined up, when that happens grenades and missles and stuff get them. So, we pick off the little ones. Technological advantages depends on the eye of the beholder.

The US troops are probably overall the best trained in the world, but this training accounted for over half of the casualties in the war in Iraq. just about half of our losses were from fratricide.

[Fanticon]

a U.S. reaction to N.K. would not be Nukes...E.M.P's...now that would be crippling...they would need a fuse in order launch any kind of nuke if they were in a state of black out.

[James"007"Bond]

This is stupid.
Nuclear proliferation wond die down unless countries like the US bully other countries by threatening to use nukes on them. The irony is retarded. N.Korea aint gonna do ****. As far as I'm concernd why should a select few have nukes and others not. Where's the quest for peace and utopia in that? Either disarm the proliferation of nuclear weapons altogether or exepect every other country to have nukes themselves. I find it disturbingly hilarious that Bush has the cheek to call N.Korea an, "axis of evil" yet last time I checked it was the US that actually used the A-bomb on another country. I wonder if Hiroshima and Nagasaki mean anything to George Dubbs?
Like I said, either a complete disarmament should take place or expect everyone else to have the same toys.

[Fading]

I know this is going to bad places, NK sounds like an animal backed into a corner, at this point they might not have the biggest bite but their willing to go for the jugular and fight to the death. Thing is tho not looking at it in a moral way simply to save lives, from a buisness angle Japan is a huge world player and innovator of technology. Anything happening to them hits the World hard too, and they are our allies so the U.S. I don't think would let them be nuked into oblivion.

Thing is we have some scary technology, watch a few episodes of future weapons on the Discovery channel and you'll see damn powerful weapons and ones we already use on the battlefield and some coming out. Like a missle that once in the air releases dozens of other missles which then in turn release 100's of molten hot metal. Apparently they used that in Iraq, called in air support dropped 1 and by the time it was done they were leaping out of their tanks and tossing hands up, despite having tanks against ground troops. Other things too like the biggest non nuke bomb are here too. Not to count that awesome looking (want one for shooting on a range) handgun that uses magnets to fire bullets, easily reloadable, and can fire 3 bullets at the same time practically with pin point accuracy, which is controlled by a comp chip rather than gun powder. Also metal storm which is like that handgun but bigger and shoots I don't know how many round via preloaded magnetic bullets with no moving parts (Just check out http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/futureweapons/futureweapons.html and look at Tommorow's weapons link, and some of those we already use or have at the final steps like that corner gun).

Actually our troops went right over Iraq and it only took a few days to defeat the entire army there, problem we had and still have is insurgents. People not afraid to strap bombs on their chest, and just normal citizens mixed in with crowds. NK in the last war had that in spades and I think that's the problem. Their overall army probably won't present as much of a problem as soldiers and citizens with guns hiding in crowds of ppl ready to shoot troops like last time. Not to count the terrain there.

I really hope that a war doesn't start either way like I'm sure all of you do. I just think if it came down to it the U.S. has lots of new weapons most ppl don't know about and we can possibly overcome the army, but Iraq has nothing on NK in terms of insurgents and all. Other problem too is that NK seems to be getting to the point that they might be serious about launching a nuke if they feel cornered enough. We would prob back Japan as would others, but could we get there before NK launched multiple warheads :(.

Edit - Plus anything that keeps troops out of harms way is best, and I def hate loss of any life enemy or no so would rather war inbetween any two countries be a last step. I just doubt NK would seriously go into peaceful talks, if they get one thing they want they'll prob move onto the next thing. Just seems like a very slippery slope. Just wanted to add this last bit so ppl don't think I'm a war mongerer that thinks bigger weapons rock, just meant we're getting at a point where massive amounts of ground troops might not have to be put at risk because our techs advancing fast, which could be a good or bad thing in the long run on how u look at it.

[ord0g]

You forget that the American military is the most technologically advanced military in the world. Technology can go quite far in war.
Unless the US has a secret stash of a million robotic soldiers it doesn't count for much. The US military is only structured to fight a war on two fronts concurrently. The country cannot sustain a third war. Period. Not to mention the strain it puts on all of America's allies. Being in Australia I know that our specialist SAS soldiers are in crisis at the moment. We don't even have enough reserves in our 3rd regiment (and we only have 3) to rotate our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq so those that are there are serving a lot longer than initially stated. The world doesn't need another war just cause America wants to flex it's muscles. And notice how Bush doesn't want to attack a country that definitely has (albeit immature) WMDs.

[sinewave]

Yeah, I learned about that awhile ago. But Rumsfeld and his aide's comment are kind of funny in a pot calling the kettle black kind of way.

yeah, i love it when republicans claim to care about average citizens in other countries but **** on the ones in america.

[roach]

Then how do you explain what's happening in Afghanistan and Iraq right now?


look at my post again. We are fighting on various fronts right now. The media would have you believe that almost all of our military is in Iraq or Afghanistan. That is not true.

[roach]

Unless the US has a secret stash of a million robotic soldiers it doesn't count for much. The US military is only structured to fight a war on two fronts concurrently.


Incorrect. The US Military is capable of fighting on various fronts. However that being said they werent trained to handle insurgency. That is the problem right now in Iraq and Afghanistan. The enemy is hidden among the innocents.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The U.S can't attack N.K as others have stated. The U.S would lose.

[Sloth7d]

Or would we?

[Fred_Fury]

The U.S can't attack N.K as others have stated. The U.S would lose.

yeah right, we'd wup their ass.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

yeah right, we'd wup their ass.So we have an unlimited amount of soliders?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Or would we?Yeah, unless we go the usual U.S coward route and drop an atomic bomb.

[Fred_Fury]

So we have an unlimited amount of soliders?

no, and neither does north korea. we have technology. north koreans barely even have any electricity.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

no, and neither does north korea. we have technology. north koreans barely even have any electricity.Sounds like another place that the we invaded...um Iraq. How is that war going by the way? because dumbass Bush and the GOP said that it would be easy.

[Fred_Fury]

Sounds like another place that the we invaded...um Iraq. How is that war going by the way? because dumbass Bush and the GOP said that it would be easy.

Wheres Saddam Hussein? What type of Government does Iraq have?

Oh noes! Teh insurgents!! We steamrolled iraq, just like we can steamroll North Korea. Oh noes, after we capture kim jjong il and destroy his military he'll have insurgents! Who cares, we'll have taken care of his nuke problem by then.

North Korea needs regime change.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Wheres Saddam Hussein? What type of Government does Iraq have?

Oh noes! Teh insurgents!! We steamrolled iraq, just like we can steamroll North Korea. Oh noes, after we capture kim jjong il and destroy his military he'll have insurgents! Who cares, we'll have taken care of his nuke problem by then.I'm just guessing here but you are a white male right? 25 to 35 years old.

Yes lets just take over the world, cause everyone knows that all is better and perfect when white males are involved.

[Fred_Fury]

I'm just guessing here but you are a white male right? 25 to 35 years old.

Yes lets just take over the world, cause everyone knows that all is better and perfect when white males are involved.

wtf does this have to do with anything?


let me guess, you're some angry college kid who looks up to che guevara?

btw, im half white half mexican, and im 22. idiot. yeah, cant pull the race card now can you?

[I SEE SPIDEY]

wtf does this have to do with anything?


let me guess, you're some angry college kid who looks up to che guevara?

btw, im half white half mexican, and im 22. idiot. yeah, cant pull the race card now can you?I'm not angry nor am I a college kid but I'm flattered you think so.

Race Card:whatever: You sound like a angry white male who wants to tame all them "dark skinned savages" to me... and you are partly white so I was only wrong on 1 and half things.:cwink:

[Fred_Fury]

I'm not angry nor am I a college kid but I'm flattered you think so.

Race Card:whatever: You sound like a angry white male who wants to tame all them "dark skinned savages" to me... and you are partly white so I was only wrong on 1 and half things.:cwink:

wtf does this have to do with race?

You've got issues man.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

wtf does this have to do with race?

You've got issues man.Young lady or girl will do. And no I don't have issues.

[Crowforge]

I'd like to know where these "dark skinned savages" come from in N.korea as I've never seem a sunny picture out of north korea.
We'd wipe the floor with north korea, the real problem is we have to protect south korea who is an unreliable ally at best, and japan. It's an issue of containment.

[3 Dev Adam]

N. Korea will never do anything. It's contained.

Contained? By who? Team America's Gary Johnston?

[StorminNorman]

1 million = North Korean Army

America's technology would let it take it down with a fraction of the people NK has enlisted.

[StorminNorman]

N. Korea will never do anything. It's contained.

By who?

[Gonking]

If the U.N. was stronger than maybe we wouldn't have to be.

I'm not an isolationist by any means. But by helping out I don't necessarily mean war of course. I'm a pacifist too but I also like to think I'm a realist.

If United Nations is not stronger, that's because United States and the rest of the permanents members of the security council don't want it.


Franklin Roosevelt was the greatest president your country has had and he was an isolationist. Someone should apply that policy again.

[3 Dev Adam]

America's technology would let it take it down with a fraction of the people NK has enlisted.

Korea doesn't need technology. They have armies of starving kids. They'll eat the american soldiers and their guns. :yay:

[The Last Meatbag]

North Koreans piss me off, I want to punch one in the face with a fistful of freedom :cmad:

[TrailerCues]

An air sampling taken after North Korea's claimed nuclear test detected radioactive debris consistent with an atomic explosion, Bush administration and congressional officials said Friday night. They said no final determination had been made about the nature of last weekend's mystery-shrouded blast.

One congressional official said that radioactive material was found in an air sample collected on Wednesday. It was one of several tests to determine the validity of North Korea's claim that it had set off a nuclear test.

"The betting is that this was an attempt at a nuclear test that failed," another official said. "We don't think they were trying to fake a nuclear test, but it may have been a nuclear fizzle." The officials who described the results spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information.

The administration briefed key members of Congress about the preliminary test results. One official said the sample was collected above Qunggye, near the area of the claimed nuclear test.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061014/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_nkorea

I'd like to put in a request for more North Korea threads.

Just for you DOG LIPS

[DOG LIPS]

Hooray!

[Immortalfire]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/nsyncgirlique0/vwxxg4.gif

[Crowforge]

I'm an isolationist. If the the un isn't strong it's because the rest of the world won't pull it's own weight and because diplomacy means nothing without bite but the un has forgotten that.

[Fred_Fury]

Im a neocon, if the UN cant do its job, we should do it for them.

[cass]

Franklin Roosevelt was the greatest president your country has had and he was an isolationist. Someone should apply that policy again.

FDR the great man who involved us in WWII before Pearl Harbor was even bombed. :rolleyes:

[Crowforge]

So umm, lets guard our borders instead of the rest of the world, I'm not the brightest bulb but it sounds like a smaller job.

[sinewave]

I'm a wonderful person...

[TrailerCues]

President Bush urged the U.N. Security Council to pass a resolution Saturday that would clamp nonmilitary sanctions on North Korea for the nuclear test it claims to have conducted earlier this week. "By passing such a resolution, we will send a clear message to the North Korean regime that its actions will not be tolerated," Bush said Saturday in his weekly radio address.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/north_korea

Here you go DOG LIPS :woot:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Im a neocon, if the UN cant do its job, we should do it for them.So, you want the united states to rule the world. Great, you just out and out said it! Good for you, happy dictator-ren fella.:up:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm a wonderful person...No your not.:oldrazz:

[TNC9852002]

This is definitely not gonna end well..

-TNC

[Crowforge]

We already 'rule the world' we just need to lean back and steer with a lighter touch.

[TrailerCues]

The U.N. Security Council unanimously approved tough sanctions against North Korea for its claimed nuclear test, but divisions over how to enforce them signaled that implemenation may not be easy.

One of the biggest differences was over a call on countries to inspect cargo leaving and arriving in North Korea to prevent any illegal trafficking in unconventional weapons or ballistic missiles.

The final resolution was softened from language authorizing searches, but was still unacceptable to China — the North's closest ally and largest trading partner — which said it would not carry out any searches.

Japan and Australia promised Sunday to immediately enforce the sanctions and said they were considering imposing harsher penalties of their own.
South Korea also pledged to implement the measures but gave no details on how it would do so.

The Security Council already had to overcome sharp divisions to approve the sanctions Saturday.

The U.S-sponsored resolution demands North Korea eliminate all its nuclear weapons but expressly rules out military action against the country, a demand by the Russians and Chinese.

The resolution orders all countries to prevent North Korea from importing or exporting any material for weapons of mass destruction or ballistic missiles. It orders nations to freeze assets of people or businesses connected to these programs, and ban the individuals from traveling.

North Korea immediately rejected the resolution, and its U.N. ambassador walked out of the council chamber after accusing its members of a "gangster-like" action which neglects the nuclear threat posed by the United States.

Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer welcomed the U.N. resolution Sunday as "surprisingly tough" and said his country was considering stronger measures of its own.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Japan was also considering additional sanctions against North Korea, following its move Friday to ban trade with the North and close its ports to North Korean ships. Foreign Minister Taro Aso said Japan could support U.S. forces inspecting cargo in an out of the North, though he did not give details, Kyodo News Agency reported.

China is uncomfortable with the possibility of the U.S. inderdicting ships near its coasts, though Bolton has said he expects most inspections would be performed at ports. China reiterated it wouldn't conduct any inspections and called for caution.

"China strongly urges the countries concerned to adopt a prudent and responsible attitude in this regard and refrain from taking any provocative steps that may intensify the tensions," China's U.N. Ambassador Wang Guangya said.

South Korea, which taken a conciliatory approach to the North and provided its neighbor with massive amounts of aid, said it will honor the U.N. resolution but did not elaborate on its plans for inspections.

South Korea's Unification Ministry, which handles inter-Korean affairs, indicated the sanctions would not affect a tourism venture and a joint industrial complex in the North, saying the "projects have nothing to do with the weapons of mass destruction program."

Critics have urged the South Korean government to halt the two projects, saying that funds may be diverted for the North's nuclear weapons program.

The Security Council condemned the nuclear test that North Korea said it conducted Oct. 9. It demanded that North Korea immediately return to six-nation talks aimed at persuading Pyongyang to dismantle its weapons program without precondition.

Bolton told reporters Saturday the next step is to start working on implementing the resolution.

"Hopefully on saner reflections perhaps they'll begin to accept that if they don't change course, the only future for them is continued isolation," he said.

In a measure aimed at North Korea's tiny elite, the resolution also bans the sale of luxury goods to the country. The North's reclusive leader, Kim Jong Il, is known for his love of cognac and lobster and collection of thousands of bottles of vintage French wine.

To meet Russian and Chinese concerns, the Americans eliminated a complete ban on the sale of conventional weapons. Instead, the resolution limits the embargo to major hardware such as tanks, warships, combat aircraft and missiles.

The U.S. and other nations trying to persuade the North to give up its atomic program continued a flurry of high-level diplomatic visits, including a trip to Asia by Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice meant to present a unified front to North Korea.

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Alexeyev, who visited North Korea last week arrived in South Korea on Sunday. The chief U.S. envoy to the six-nation talks, Christopher Hill, will visit Japan on Monday, the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo said.

Pyongyang has boycotted the six-nation talks for the past 13 months to protest financial measures imposed by Washington for alleged counterfeiting and money-laundering.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061015/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear

[dpm07]

You have a very bizzare fetish with North Korea. I notice that there are a few threads you have created on NK. I find it peculiar.

It might be prudent to ask a moderator to merge the threads, and then you can just add your comments on to the merged thread, that way it will be easier to find one thread dedicated to NK versus all the threads that are out there.

Just a friendly suggestion.

[kingman]

With the sanctions it allows their leaders to spread further propoganda about how evil the people trying to take over are which will make them support any actions that might come from their own country because the rest of the world is made out to be evil and those sanctions are exactly what they're looking for

[Matt]

Since when do sanctions do...you know, anything?

[Kaleb]

Can anyone name one thing good that sanctions have done ( apart from South Africa in the 80s) but I fail to see how sanctions are ganna stop a mad man .

[The Last Meatbag]

Hans Brix!?!?!?


A rittle more to da right preeze...little more......little more


*drops into shark tank*

[Superman]

China has already said they wouldn't stop stuff from going into NK even after signing the UN sanctions.:whatever:

[Chauncey]

The US invaded the nation of Iraq because they "knew" that Iraq didn't have nukes. Had Iraq had WMDs they never would have been attacked by the US because it would have been a political disaster. As Iraq was nuke free, it was made an extremely easy target for the Bush admins actual agenda of creating a free-market state in the middle east that serves as a haven for multi-national companies looking to unload cheap goods no matter how devistating it might be for Iraqis and their economy. The same could not have been accomplished with North Korea because they may very well have had nukes, meaning that the result of an invasion would have been South Korea's destruction. Such a tragedy, I'm sure the administration was concerned, may have been blamed on their actions.

[The Question]

The only reason I'm not too worried about North Korea having nukes is because of North Korea's close proximity to two of it's main enemies: South Korea and Japan. Because it's so close, if North Korea nuked either of those countries, the nuclear fallout would spread to North Korea rather quickly. I know Il's crazy, but I doubt he's suicidal.

[Crowforge]

well not japan but we'd nuke them in return though I wouldn't count on them reasoning that out with the way they've been acting.
If iraq had had nukes the war might have turned our better as we would have taken the war more seriously.

[The Question]

well not japan but we'd nuke them in return though I wouldn't count on them reasoning that out with the way they've been acting.
If iraq had had nukes the war might have turned our better as we would have taken the war more seriously.

With Japan, the winds would definately carry the fallout towards North Korea.

[The Ones]

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/north-korea-says-un-sanctions-are-a/20061012052709990006

[CrypticOne]

I hear that the tensions are rising. North Korea plans a war. Should the US? I think we should. We should attack now. Drop some bombs on them. End the rising threat to our country. They call us "Yankees" meaning "Ocean Demons." What do my fellow Hypsters say? End the threat or wait to be attacked? Nucleur war is upon us. Let's make a move before something bad happens to us.

[Chauncey]

I hear that the tensions are rising. North Korea plans a war. Should the US? I think we should. We should attack now. Drop some bombs on them. End the rising threat to our country. They call us "Yankees" meaning "Ocean Demons." What do my fellow Hypsters say? End the threat or wait to be attacked? Nucleur war is upon us. Let's make a move before something bad happens to us. "They're witches!!!! Burn them before they cast spells on us!!!:wow: "

[enterthemadness]

NO war. Damn it, we shouldn't interfere with other peoples war. North Korea shouldn't have nukes, along with the rest fo the world, but a war with them?! No...thank you.

[Slipknot]

I hear that the tensions are rising. North Korea plans a war. Should the US? I think we should. We should attack now. Drop some bombs on them. End the rising threat to our country. They call us "Yankees" meaning "Ocean Demons." What do my fellow Hypsters say? End the threat or wait to be attacked? Nucleur war is upon us. Let's make a move before something bad happens to us.
Dubious.

[CrypticOne]

NO war. Damn it, we shouldn't interfere with other peoples war. North Korea shouldn't have nukes, along with the rest fo the world, but a war with them?! No...thank you.

So, you want to be attacked? North Korea will strike us, they still have bad feelings about what happened a long time ago. Who wouldn't? We should just drop some nukes on them. Japan has become our ally because of it. To have peace we must have war, to end all threats!

[Fred_Fury]

North korea needs regime change, ASAP!

[Arkady Rossovich]

America can not stop other countries from gaining nuclear powers if they really want to.If America is going to be attacked,then it is going to be attacked.

[Slipknot]

So, you want to be attacked? North Korea will strike us, they still have bad feelings about what happened a long time ago. Who wouldn't? We should just drop some nukes on them. Japan has become our ally because of it. To have peace we must have war, to end all threats!
You're a moron. North Korea cannot strike us with any nuclear weapon of theirs. They won't strike any country for that matter. They know if they do then their country will be destroyed. Do you realize that the same strategy during the Cold War must be used in this case? Nobody will/should strike oneanother because of the retaliation factor. So shut the hell up... dropping "nukes" on North Korea would be terrible. I don't think you know much of what you are talking about... another Fred Fury maybe. To have peace we must have war? What the hell is that? Such a moronic comment. Why do you think there was never any real war between the U.S. and the Soviet Union? Just the threat of a nuclear war turns nations away from using them. Sanctions against North Korea is the way to go... even a blockade of their trade wouldn't be bad.

[Aiden]

You're a moron. North Korea cannot strike us with any nuclear weapon of theirs. They won't strike any country for that matter. They know if they do then their country will be destroyed. Do you realize that the same strategy during the Cold War must be used in this case? Nobody will/should strike oneanother because of the retaliation factor. So shut the hell up... dropping "nukes" on North Korea would be terrible. I don't think you know much of what you are talking about... another Fred Fury maybe. To have peace we must have war? What the hell is that? Such a moronic comment. Why do you think there was never any real war between the U.S. and the Soviet Union? Just the threat of a nuclear war turns nations away from using them. Sanctions against North Korea is the way to go... even a blockade of their trade wouldn't be bad.:up:

[raziel1919]

North Korea needs to be wiped off the earth. That little bastard leader is a pussy!

[ObakeTora]

No, it's not that we're afraid of China, it's that China has veto power in the Security Council. China and Russia don't want tough sanctions on North Korea at the moment. So instead of pushing for tough sanctions and get nowhere, we push for lesser sanctions proceed foward and wait for China and Russia look like asses once again like they have with Iran. And like Iran, if this keeps up, they'll be the ones to back down and push for what the United States wants.

very well put. From what Ive been reading so far the pressure China will face in the future from these tough sanctions is that NK refugees will be flooding China`s borders like Mexican immigrants are doing to the U.S.

{EDIT}

Found this on the front page of yahoo.com news

"While U.S. officials insist they aren't about to invade, they have taken other steps against North Korea — even before the U.N. resolution — including severing it from the international financial system. That move is believed to have angered the elites that keep Kim in power, and Kim may fear being ousted or possibly even killed. "

any thoughts?

[hippie_hunter]

very well put. From what Ive been reading so far the pressure China will face in the future from these tough sanctions is that NK refugees will be flooding China`s borders like Mexican immigrants are doing to the U.S.

Hence why they are building a really strong fence on the Chinese-North Korean border. If another Iran situation pops up, where they have to back down to American wishes, they won't have to worry as much about refuges when the regime collapses.

[Motown Marvel]

North Korea needs to be wiped off the earth. That little bastard leader is a pussy!
yes, i suppose we should annihilate all of its innocent population due to the fact that their leader is an a$$hole :rolleyes:

[blind_fury]

North korea needs regime change, ASAP!
Because that worked so well in Iraq. :whatever:

[ObakeTora]

Did you hear that Kim Jong Ill just apologized to China? I think everyone can rest at ease, maybe the lil bastard will get executed.

[3 Dev Adam]

I still don't see why only the USA can have nukes. That's unfair.

[Revolver_Ocelot]

Life is unfair.

[ObakeTora]

Cartoon Network is unfair.

[Crowforge]

Lets just say it's probably best if fewer people can end life on earth

[ObakeTora]

thats a good statement.

[3 Dev Adam]

Lets just say it's probably best if fewer people can end life on earth

If those "fewer" weren't the ones named Bush and Rice, I wouldn't mind.

[cass]

I still don't see why only the USA can have nukes. That's unfair.

Dear Uninformed,

USA is not the only country with nukes. Stop whining. Read the news.

[Spider-Bite]

Let the guy have his nukes, dammit. Russia had 'em for, like, a gajillion years and never launched a single one.

North Korea would possibly sell them to Iran or terrorists. Or he would use them as deterrent to the United States protecting South Korea if North Korea were to conquer and force re-unification. You can't make much of an argument that South Korea would want to conquer and own North Korea, because the wealth of the citizens of South Korea would be cut by a third if they were to do so. North Koreans would make signifigant economic gains from the newly distributed wealth and they do desire reunification.

We can not allow huge powerful dicatorships like that to conquer more and more and more land because as their dicatorship grows and expands it would eventually start knocking on our door, and by then they would be overwhelmingly more powerful than we are.

We can not allow North Korea to continue possessing and producing nuclear weapons.

[Spider-Bite]

If those "fewer" weren't the ones named Bush and Rice, I wouldn't mind.

Bush and Rice are not immune to charges of crimes against humanity. If Bush ordered a nuclear attack on somebody right now under these conditions he would be on trial. That's the beauty of democracy.

[chamber-music]

Dear Uninformed,

USA is not the only country with nukes. Stop whining. Read the news.

The United Kingdoms got Nukes we just leave them to collect dust and never bother to use them because we have no countries that are our enemies. Iran and North korea don't like but they don't care enough to do anything about it.

[cass]

America hasn't used it's nukes in over 60 years.


No clue why you felt the need to reply to my comments.

[comicgirl]

Rice: N. Korea would like to see crisis escalated

MOSCOW - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Saturday that China’s special envoy had said nothing to her about a reported North Korean pledge to refrain from further nuclear tests.

“(Chinese) Councilor Tang (Jiaxuan) did not tell me that Kim Jong Il either apologized for the test or said that he would never test again,” Rice said, adding that she does not know the source of widely circulated South Korean media reports to the contrary.

http://www.september11news.com/May_16_CondoleezzaRicePressReBushKnewHij.jpg

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15356205/
And, the saber rattling intensifies. Does anyone else feel like she wants to push this ahead to actual combat? She's a scary chick.:ninja:

[cass]

Something to consider is Kim's many lies in the past. She's just being realistic.

[comicgirl]

Something to consider is Kim's many lies in the past. She's just being realistic.
oh, yeah. He's a looney. But, being a looney........what's he got to lose?

[cass]

oh, yeah. He's a looney. But, being a looney........what's he got to lose?

Nothing...that's why he'd have no problem blowing up the world.

[Mee]

This is like High School.:huh:

[Fran]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[DOG LIPS]

Condeezle is just hungry for blood.

[Dwarf lord]

Did anyone really think he was sorry? If anyone did that just makes me frightened for humanity.

[JLBats]

This is like High School.:huh:

If Condoleeza gets a note in the UN from Kim Jong saying "Do you like me? Yes or No." I give up on democracy:csad:

[Mee]

Colin Powell: "Yo, that is wack!"

[Fran]

Fo real, son!

[DOG LIPS]

All I know is....





























http://superherohype.com/forums/image.php?u=5372&dateline=1154471832
It's peanut butter jelly time! Peanut butter jelly time!

[Mee]

Where ya at?

[3 Dev Adam]

Bush and Rice are not immune to charges of crimes against humanity. If Bush ordered a nuclear attack on somebody right now under these conditions he would be on trial. That's the beauty of democracy.

Bush declared an illegal war on Iraq. Can we hang him?

[3 Dev Adam]

North Koreans piss me off, I want to punch one in the face with a fistful of freedom :cmad:

Yeah, but leave the South Koreans alone. They make nice action movies.

[AssMan]

South Korea's Defense Ministry said North Korea is believed to have about 110 pounds of plutonium, enough to produce up to seven nuclear weapons.

In its biennial defense report, released Friday, the ministry also said the North is believed to be capable of producing biological weapons, including anthrax weapons, and possesses up to 5,000 tons of toxic agents.

The report described North Korea "as a serious threat, considering the serious nature of its nuclear test and threat of weapons of mass destruction," the ministry said in a statement.

North Korea stoked regional tensions in October when it conducted its first nuclear test, drawing U.N. sanctions and global condemnation.

Last year North Korea pledged to dismantle its nuclear program in exchange for security guarantees and aid. No progress has been made in implementing the agreement because of North Korea's objections to U.S. financial restrictions imposed on the communist regime for its alleged money laundering and counterfeiting.

During nuclear talks last week, North Korea continued to insist that the U.S. lift the sanctions before it would move ahead on dismantling its nuclear program.

The report said North Korea has the capability to launch a surprise attack on South Korea without repositioning its troops because it deploys about 70 percent of its ground forces south of the capital, Pyongyang.

North Korea "is consistently preparing for war for a long period and is likely to keep this military policy in the future," the report said.

North Korea often accuses South Korea of conspiring with the U.S. to attack it, an accusation denied by Washington.

South Korea is trying to strengthen its defense capability as it prepares to regain wartime operational control of its forces, which have been under the command of U.S.-led U.N. forces since the 1950-53 Korean War.

Seoul regained peacetime control of its troops in 1994, but the U.S. is still supposed to control South Korean forces if a war breaks out. South Korea and the U.S. agreed in October that Seoul will retake control of its troops sometime between 2009 and 2012.

South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun, who has pursued a foreign policy that is less dependent on Washington, called for the transfer of command, saying the move is long overdue.

About 29,500 U.S. troops are stationed in South Korea as a deterrent against the North. The presence of the troops is a legacy of the Korean War, which ended in a cease-fire rather than a peace treaty.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061229/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear

[Kaleb]

for some odd reason I laughed at the title of the thread and thought ''oh those crazy ppl at the onion again how do they come up with such gems''

[dpm07]

The whole Korea thing is so last week. Let's move on to something that is a little more entertaining and exciting in the world with regard to possible world threats or continued activities. Right now Hussein's impending execution by the Republican Regime and the Iraqi government are the big news.

[Memphis Slim]

N.Korea pledges to denuclearize in talks
By KWANG-TAE KIM
Associated Press Writer

http://hosted.ap.org/photos/S/SEL80603011114C-small.jpg (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/photos/S/SEL80603011114C.html?SITE=ININS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)



SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- North Korea's No. 2 leader pledged his country's commitment Thursday to giving up its nuclear program amid intensifying diplomacy aimed at implementing Pyongyang's pledge to disarm.
"The denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula is the dying wish" of the country's late founding president Kim Il Sung, Kim Yong Nam said in Pyongyang during a visit from a high-level South Korean delegation.
The North "will make efforts to realize it," he said.
At the meeting, South Korean Unification Minister Lee Jae-joung pressed the North to implement a Feb. 13 pledge made with the U.S. and four other countries to take initial steps to disarm.
"It is important to make efforts to ensure that South and North Korea cooperate and six countries each assume their responsibilities," Lee said.
Kim Yong Nam also called on the Koreas to cooperate to achieve the reunification of the peninsula, which was divided in the wake of World War II and still remains technically at war since the 1950-53 Korean War ended in a cease-fire.
Kim also repeated the North's calls for inter-Korean collaboration, an idea South Korea has dismissed as a ploy to drive a wedge in Seoul's alliance with Washington.
This week's Cabinet-level talks between the North and South - the highest-level regular contact between the Koreas - are the first in seven months. The talks resumed after North Korea's agreement last month in Beijing to shut down its main nuclear reactor within 60 days in exchange for aid.
Earlier Thursday, North Korean negotiators appealed for aid from the South, but Seoul appeared resistant to promising any major assistance until Pyongyang keeps its pledge to start dismantling its nuclear program.
"The North side has brought up the issue of humanitarian aid," a South Korean official told reporters in Pyongyang, where talks between the two Koreas stretched into a third day.
But the official, indicating the South's reluctance to provide the North with badly needed supplies, said that a draft agreement between the two sides "does not specifically mention rice and fertilizer aid." The official did not give his name due to the sensitivity of the ongoing talks.
South Korea had regularly sent aid to the impoverished North until last July, when Pyongyang test-fired a series of missiles, prompting a halt in shipments. Relations between the two countries further soured after the North tested a nuclear weapon in October.
North Korea also has proposed that the two countries resume economic cooperation talks in March, but Seoul was apparently opposed to holding the talks so soon, according to pool reports.
The two Koreas have made historic strides toward reconciliation after their leaders met for the first time in 2000, and this week's talks are the 20th such Cabinet-level meeting since then.
On Thursday, South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun stressed the nuclear deal "should be successfully implemented so that a peace regime can be firmly established on the Korean peninsula."
The Feb. 13 deal calls for a separate forum on discussing a peace agreement to replace the cease-fire that has held the Korean War at a standstill since 1953.
Meanwhile, the countries involved in the nuclear talks - the Koreas, China, Japan, Russia and the U.S. - have begun preparations to implement the disarmament pact.
In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said that U.S. and North Korean officials will meet in New York next Monday and Tuesday to discuss normalizing relations, one of the steps to be taken under the nuclear deal.
Also Thursday, the State Department's No. 2 diplomat, John Negroponte, arrived in Japan for a tour expected to focus on the North Korea nuclear issue that will also take him to South Korea and China.
South Korean Foreign Minister Song Min-soon also left for Washington Thursday for talks on North Korea with his counterpart, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. He also will travel to Moscow.

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Does anyone here believe this is true?? And if it is true..........as much as it may "PAIN" most of you, isn't this a significant win for the current adminstration???? :yay:

http://browndailysqueal.com/archives/ap_president_bush_sat_25jun05_210.jpg

[Avangarde]

To have both the north and south reunite would be a huge step for the country, now if they didn't spend all there money on the military the country might have the chance to prosper in the future.

[chamber-music]

To have both the north and south reunite would be a huge step for the country, now if they didn't spend all there money on the military the country might have the chance to prosper in the future.

It would be cool if they reunited like germany then hasslehoth can go over and sing to them :yay:

[Apollo]

why is it that we are alloud to have nuclear bombs, but no one else is?

[AllThingsComic]

why is it that we are alloud to have nuclear bombs, but no one else is?


Basically, because we are the worlds police department. Whenever something breaks out, we gotta stick our big fat noses in it. The reason we need them is because like the police department, putting in our 2 cents brings upon us many enemies, so we need to protect ourselves.

[Matt]

I doubt it is true, they've made promises like this a million times before...and if it is, its not that big of a win for the administration. More of a win for China and Japan than anyone else.

[Memphis Slim]

I doubt it is true, they've made promises like this a million times before...and if it is, its not that big of a win for the administration. More of a win for China and Japan than anyone else.


You just can't admit it can you???? :woot:

[Memphis Slim]

why is it that we are alloud to have nuclear bombs, but no one else is?


Well............
Other countries do.....
Britain
Israel
France
Russia
China
India
Pahkistan

It's the ones who act nutty we're concerned with. Rogue states who threaten others for no reason....."cough"...Iran...."cough" "cough" N. Korea,,,,,haven't gained world trust.

[Addendum]

Does anyone here believe this is true??
I don't know. I've never really paid attention to the Koreas

And if it is true..........as much as it may "PAIN" most of you, isn't this a significant win for the current adminstration????

Perhaps, but the administration's credibility is still a joke

[hippie_hunter]

I applaud the Bush Administration for insisting on staying with the Six-Party Talks, but I think the real winners here are China and South Korea. Because China is basically the only nation that is willing to be some sort of acquaintance with North Korea, they're pretty much the ones that did most of the convincing to North Korea to drop their nuke program. And South Korea wants reunification and is one of the biggest suppliers in aid to North Korea helped also.

On the other hand, does anyone actually believe in the sincerity in North Korea's pledge? I don't.

[Addendum]

Well, maybe Kim Jong Il wants to continue his war against Aquaman.

I wouldn't be surprised if he launches another nuke into the water

[C.F. Kane]

why is it that we are alloud to have nuclear bombs, but no one else is?

Because in order to join the nuclear club, you have to make nice with all of the club members.

[hippie_hunter]

why is it that we are alloud to have nuclear bombs, but no one else is?
First of all, we allow nations to have nuclear bombs. We allow sensible nations like France, the United Kingdom, China, and Russia to have them because we are all just too big of pussies to use them. In today's day and age, the only way the Big Five are going to use a nuclear weapon is if a nuclear weapon is used against one of them.

We tolerate Israel having the bomb simply because they're one of our major allies.

However, there are nations like Iran, India, Pakistan, and North Korea that cannot be trusted with the bomb. They will use the bomb if war breaks out with one of them even if they weren't nuked in the first place. North Korea and Iran especially. India and Pakistan will only use them against each other.

So stop being an ignorant "OMG, the US is imposing their hypocritical tyranical will!" jackass and look at some common f**king sense. Common sense says that rogue nations like Iran and North Korea will use their nuclear arsenals once obtained and fully developed.

[StorminNorman]

I doubt it is true, they've made promises like this a million times before...and if it is, its not that big of a win for the administration. More of a win for China and Japan than anyone else.

While I would agree, it is a much bigger win for China and Japan than America - it is a big win for the Bush administration not because of their own doing, but because of their critics doing. As far back as 2004 democrats were criticizing Bush for not agreeing to talk to North Korea one-on-one like they demanded. Bush stated the need to continue with the six-party talks. It was the six-party-talks that made this treaty work, not American power.

[Apollo]

So stop being an ignorant "OMG, the US is imposing their hypocritical tyranical will!" jackass and look at some common f**king sense.

you suck hippie hunter :yay:

[C.F. Kane]

you suck hippie hunter :yay:

I think that argument just put this case to rest. :whatever:

[Memphis Slim]

While I would agree, it is a much bigger win for China and Japan than America - it is a big win for the Bush administration not because of their own doing, but because of their critics doing. As far back as 2004 democrats were criticizing Bush for not agreeing to talk to North Korea one-on-one like they demanded. Bush stated the need to continue with the six-party talks. It was the six-party-talks that made this treaty work, not American power.


Thus, a big win for Bush!!

He stuck to his guns and was right. :yay:

[jaguarr]

I doubt it is true, they've made promises like this a million times before...and if it is, its not that big of a win for the administration. More of a win for China and Japan than anyone else.

Agreed. I give the Bushies credit for sticking in there and not stomping off and leaving the talks like spoiled children, but China and Japan were instrumental in these talks. And the proof will be in the pudding. N. Korea isn't exactly renowned for keeping their word.

jag

[hippie_hunter]

I think South Korea was more instrumental than Japan. All Japan did was raise fears that they would re-militarize.

[Tangled Web]

I doubt it is true, they've made promises like this a million times before...and if it is, its not that big of a win for the administration. More of a win for China and Japan than anyone else.

Agreed 100%.

[Kritish]

No body needs to have nukes.

[Matt]

[/B]


Thus, a big win for Bush!!

He stuck to his guns and was right. :yay:

If it is true. Chance are they will keep their nuclear program and just not flaunt it anymore.