This movie is gonna make A LOT of money!

[Catman]

If Fast & Furious can open with record box office then I'm sure Spidey 4 will do the same. People think it won't happen since most people hated Spider-Man 3. But it seems like audiences can be very forgiving.

[Doctor Jones]

This is Spider-Man. Of course people are going to see it. Hell, even more could since it will be four years since the last one.

The GA doesn't care about the bad things aobut SM3, they loved it, it's not like us. The fans are only talking about it form their point of view. The audience got what they wanted, they weren't swarmed by the hype, keeping up with it since the first teaser. All they wanted was another SM film, and they got what they wanted.

[SpaceWay2009]

Ga?

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm sure it will gross alot. As Doctor Jones said, it's Spider-Man. :up::up::up:

[Morg]

Ga?

General Audience

[arachnid-guy]

Yeah. It'll do swingingly at the box office...family love Spidey. The Adult market love Spidey. Us hardocre fans love Spidey.

3 markets right there in the bank.

[Sentinel X]

Well given the history of the franchise I'd say 250 million is definitely a lock. But I think 250 million is like the lowest it could make if it was like utterly atrocious...it'll probably make more. So yes, it'll most likely make a lot of money no matter what.

[Troy_Parker]

Of course it's gonna make a lot of money. It's SPIDER-MAN. :woot:

[mjbull23]

Spidey still flies the Marvel Flag ,and he is Sony's golden boy. No disrespect intended to Iron Man.

Next Summer Iron Man is going to outdo it's first installment. Im betting on 600- 700 mill WW. Then in 2011 Spiderman4 will come in and top IM's numbers.

It''s going to be a ridiculously huge Summer at the B.O. for Marvel for the next few years.

[arachnid-guy]

Iron Man is pretty much the "new" Spider-Man.

[bullets]

This movie will be a huge sucess.

[thejon93]

I'm interested in seeing how this film will do, especially how more people nowadays are seeing movies in the theatres; even with the economic bull----.

[annie.j88]

who owns the rights to these films, fox, marvel or someone else?

[thejon93]

who owns the rights to these films, fox, marvel or someone else?
'Sony', 'Columbia', 'Marvel', I know the three are helping to distribute the movie(just as the last three). 'Fox' is nowhere near this franchise.

[Spider-Fan]

Sony owns Columbia :huh:

[thejon93]

Sony owns Columbia :huh:
How much research did you do to discover that, only to find that I don't care?

[Spider-Fan]

When Columbia Pictures pops up on the screen, it says a Sony Corporation right before it goes off screen.

I'm not trying to be a jerk by pointing that out, so don't take offense man :up:

[thejon93]

When Columbia Pictures pops up on the screen, it says a Sony Corporation right before it goes off screen.

I'm not trying to be a jerk by pointing that out, so don't take offense man :up:
Whatever.

[Spider-Fan]

Whatever.

You're gonna eat my brain in my sleep now, aren't you :csad:

[thejon93]

You're gonna eat my brain in my sleep now, aren't you :csad:
Possibly, for you forgot to put a question mark at the end of your question.
Just kidding, mate:oldrazz:

[Chris Wallace]

Of course it's gonna make a lot of money. It's SPIDER-MAN. :woot:
QFT.
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[SpaceWay2009]

General AudienceThanks!

[Immortalfire]

This movie is gonna make A LOT of money!

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[chaseter]

Catman and his box office predictions = gold.

[Catman]

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Catman and his box office predictions = gold.

lol. I knew someone would make this joke. My point was that when Spider-Man 3 was released everyone was saying, "Sony should spent less on 4 cause that ain't gonna make much. This franchise is on life support." But even though Spidey 3 was universally hated I don't think it's gonna affect the box office of 4 at all. Audiences just proved this weekend that they'll show up to anything that promises big action.

[weezerspider]

This is Spider-Man. Of course people are going to see it. Hell, even more could since it will be four years since the last one.

The GA doesn't care about the bad things aobut SM3, they loved it, it's not like us. The fans are only talking about it form their point of view. The audience got what they wanted, they weren't swarmed by the hype, keeping up with it since the first teaser. All they wanted was another SM film, and they got what they wanted.

ehhhh....... my whole family would fall under the GA and they hated it. All my non-comic friends hated it. I don't think the GA loved it. They mighta been more tolerable than comic fans, but they didn't love it. That said, its SPIDERMAN! Of course its gonna make money, you would be naive to say otherwise.

[SpiderRock88]

If Fast & Furious can open with record box office then I'm sure Spidey 4 will do the same. People think it won't happen since most people hated Spider-Man 3. But it seems like audiences can be very forgiving.

very true! but Fast & Furious is the sequel that their fans and the GA were waiting for, 2 Fast 2 Furious and specially Tokyo Drift, didnt exist, this the Thee sequel theyve been wanting. and yes Spider-Man 4 will make a lot of $$$, its Spidey, and it had a 4 year gap which is perfect for a film like Spidey, the longer the gap the more people will be anxious for the movie.

[daywalker2007]

But the big difference between Fast & Furious and Spiderman 3, is that Spiderman 4 is going to have come back after having its own "Batman and Robin" moment with Spiderman 3.
Fast & Furious came on the back of a lukewarm but relatively decent 3rd movie.

The campfest of Spiderman 3 is still lingering, even more so than the homaged deadbeat dad Superman Returns tragedy.

Spiderman 3 made Superman Returns look like Laurence of Arabia.

Raimi better come back with something good if he wants Spidey to win back the superhero crown from Batman.

[thejon93]

But the big difference between Fast & Furious and Spiderman 3, is that Spiderman 4 is going to have come back after having its own "Batman and Robin" moment with Spiderman 3.
Fast & Furious came on the back of a lukewarm but relatively decent 3rd movie.

The campfest of Spiderman 3 is still lingering, even more so than the homaged deadbeat dad Superman Returns tragedy.

Spiderman 3 made Superman Returns look like Laurence of Arabia.

Raimi better come back with something good if he wants Spidey to win back the superhero crown from Batman.
I'm interested in seeing how 'Batman 3' will do compared to 'The Dark Knight'. 'Batman Begins' made about $200M domestically. 'The Dark Knight'... well, I'm sure we all heard the news about that. I hate to sound like an idiot, but I'm interested in seeing how 'Batman 3' will do without having another terrible tragedy in the film's saga. Until then, I wouldn't exactly call 'Batman' the dominant box-office leader, compared to 'Spider-Man'(or even 'Iron Man', for that matter).

[LightningFlash]

Not as much as The Dark Knight though!!!!!

:grin:

[thejon93]

Not as much as The Dark Knight though!!!!!

:grin:
DAMNED 'DARK KNIGHT' WORSHIPPERS!

:hehe::woot:

[LightningFlash]

Hahahahaha

[Chris Wallace]

Not as much as The Dark Knight though!!!!!

:grin:

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[TheScarecrow]

I'm interested in seeing how 'Batman 3' will do compared to 'The Dark Knight'. 'Batman Begins' made about $200M domestically. 'The Dark Knight'... well, I'm sure we all heard the news about that. I hate to sound like an idiot, but I'm interested in seeing how 'Batman 3' will do without having another terrible tragedy in the film's saga. Until then, I wouldn't exactly call 'Batman' the dominant box-office leader, compared to 'Spider-Man'(or even 'Iron Man', for that matter).

Keep in mind though that Batman Begins was following Batman and Robin (Batman wasn't "cool" at this point) and didn't have any truly bankable Hollywood stars. TDK was edged on not only by Heath's Joker, but also the credibility that Batman Begins had spread about the franchise over those three years when more and more people came to see it.

BB3 would have a much smaller box office, were it not for the fact that everyone who walked out of TDK were completely amazed by the film. I'd put BB3's domestic box office at around 400-500 million, if it's as good as TDK.

I think Spider-man 4 will have the smallest opening of all the Spider-man movies (notice that 3 had the biggest because it was following Spider-man 2), but if it's good the box office will pick up.

[Chris Wallace]

TDK was edged on by Heath's death. I remember initially, fans cried shenanigans when he was cast.

[thejon93]

Keep in mind though that Batman Begins was following Batman and Robin (Batman wasn't "cool" at this point) and didn't have any truly bankable Hollywood stars. TDK was edged on not only by Heath's Joker, but also the credibility that Batman Begins had spread about the franchise over those three years when more and more people came to see it.

BB3 would have a much smaller box office, were it not for the fact that everyone who walked out of TDK were completely amazed by the film. I'd put BB3's domestic box office at around 400-500 million, if it's as good as TDK.

I think Spider-man 4 will have the smallest opening of all the Spider-man movies (notice that 3 had the biggest because it was following Spider-man 2), but if it's good the box office will pick up.
I personally think you're pushing your card way too far, bub:hehe:

I'll guess that 'Batman 3' will make around $200-350M domestically. Although, I'm bettin' it will fall in pretty close to the count Burton's 'Batman' came out with(relatively around $250M).
TDK was edged on by Heath's death. I remember initially, fans cried shenanigans when he was cast.
Only because they didn't have their uninspired choices granted, look to the 'Batman' forums now. Anyone now nominated for an Oscar is immediately considered to play the role of a future villain:o

[Chris Wallace]

Comic fans are fickle & fastidious.

[TheScarecrow]

I'll guess that 'Batman 3' will make around $200-350M domestically. Although, I'm bettin' it will fall in pretty close to the count Burton's 'Batman' came out with(relatively around $250M).

...why? Sure, Heath's Joker might have brought in a ton of people, but weren't they blown away not only because of his performance, but also the movie? Why wouldn't people come back?

[thejon93]

...why? Sure, Heath's Joker might have brought in a ton of people, but weren't they blown away not only because of his performance, but also the movie? Why wouldn't people come back?
Because I said so, dammit:oldrazz:

I just think that no matter how good the film is, it will never make the sequel(next installment) that much better in the box-office. 'The Dark Knight' was a one-time thing, which gained so much publicity after Heath's tragic death, that they all said: "We have to see this movie". 'Batman 3' may have the same effect (as 'The Dark Knight'), but I wouldn't bet on it.

[venom892]

It's true that when Heath was cast fans weren't thrilled.But when the first trailer hit most of the doubters were silenced and most of the fan community and GA were looking forward to it.That was in December a full month before Heath's death.Also The viral campaign hooked in a lot of people too.To say that Heath's death was the only factor in getting TDK where it got is wrong imo.Alot of actors have died before some of their movies have hit.Did Soul men become a box office smash after Bernie mac's death?

[thejon93]

It's true that when Heath was cast fans weren't thrilled.But when the first trailer hit most of the doubters were silenced and most of the fan community and GA were looking forward to it.That was in December a full month before Heath's death.Also The viral campaign hooked in a lot of people too.To say that Heath's death was the only factor in getting TDK where it got is wrong imo.Alot of actors have died before some of their movies have hit.Did Soul men become a box office smash after Bernie mac's death?
No, but was it on television (or the news) everyday?

[Chris Wallace]

Batman gets FAR more hype than a comedy about two washed-up singers any day of the week. And no, Bernie's death didn't generate nearly as much press as Heath's. I don't recall seeing Bernie or Isaac on the cover of ANY magazine after they passed.
As for TDK, while I found it to be a highly enjoyable film, I'm not sure it was such a great comic book movie. Nolan's approach is bordering on being ashamed of its roots, getting further and further removed from the comics with each installment. We enjoyed Dent's ruthlessness & the clever quips that he made with each coin toss, but that wasn't Two-Face. There was no sense of duality or conflict within him. Just as Joker didn't really joke. And Batman was so inconsistent-showing no faith in people's better nature but he just knew that the people on the boat wouldn't blow each other up?

[LightningFlash]

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Hahahaha...I just watched him yesterday. I think Peanut is funnier though.

TDK was edged on by Heath's death. I remember initially, fans cried shenanigans when he was cast.

What's funny, is that fans did complain, which was silly because I waited until the movie came out, and that's what people should do. Not complain until you see the movie yourself.

But with Ledger's death, I think that's the only reason he got nods for awards and what not.

Did Soul men become a box office smash after Bernie mac's death?

Bernie Mac's death did make me go back to the Ocean's movies and appreciate them more. I'm not a Clooney fan, nor am I a Damon fan, but after his death, it did help me appreciate how he acted in those three movies.

[thejon93]

Batman gets FAR more hype than a comedy about two washed-up singers any day of the week. And no, Bernie's death didn't generate nearly as much press as Heath's. I don't recall seeing Bernie or Isaac on the cover of ANY magazine after they passed.
As for TDK, while I found it to be a highly enjoyable film, I'm not sure it was such a great comic book movie. Nolan's approach is bordering on being ashamed of its roots, getting further and further removed from the comics with each installment. We enjoyed Dent's ruthlessness & the clever quips that he made with each coin toss, but that wasn't Two-Face. There was no sense of duality or conflict within him. Just as Joker didn't really joke. And Batman was so inconsistent-showing no faith in people's better nature but he just knew that the people on the boat wouldn't blow each other up?
I fully agree with you on this. If I comment any further I'd probably just be repeating myself (or even you).

[Chris Wallace]

I know I say these things at my own peril, but that's just how I feel.

[TheScarecrow]

Just as Joker didn't really joke.

There's only one scene that I can think of when The Joker didn't tell a joke (and just because it's not an elaborately staged joke and completely obvious doesn't mean it's not there, just that it's good writing) and that's the bank-heist scene.

We enjoyed Dent's ruthlessness & the clever quips that he made with each coin toss, but that wasn't Two-Face. There was no sense of duality or conflict within him.

I do agree with this, actually. I wasn't dissapointed with Two-Face, but I definitely realised when I was watching the movie that this was Harvey Dent having a very bad day, and that he was not necessarily Two-Face.

Nolan's approach is bordering on being ashamed of its roots, getting further and further removed from the comics with each installment.

This I don't agree with. Nolan's accentuating one of the elements of Batman comics and making it the overall tone of his movies. I don't agree that they're pretending that they're not comic books. What was the final Joker fight? Two boats with bombs on them, and an under-construction building filled with clown henchmen who are actually hostages, while the real henchmen are dressed as doctors and a man in a giant rubber bat-costume runs around with a sonar device attached over his eyes hoping to get to the man dressed in clown-makeup on the top floor, who recently blew up a hospital whilst wearing a nurses outfit and visiting a man who he just burnt, ironically straight down the centre when he used to have the nickname "Two-Face".

That doesn't sound like a comic book at all! Nolan's films are definitely not ignoring their comic book roots and I think it's a bit disrespectful to say they are with the level of research that goes into them (which is, frankly, more than Raimi's Spider-man movies). Everything from the scene with The Joker in a police uniform, to Bruce Wayne living in a penthouse has happened in rather old and often very specific issues of the comics and you only have to read an interview with Nolan or Goyer where they go through all of the sources they use to know how much they love the comics and how big of an influence they have on the movies.

Sure, details are changed but what works in comics doesn't work in movies. Raimi has had to manufacture interesting stories for Doc Ock and Sandman to make them sympathetic characters, likewise Nolan has had to change the origins of his characters to make them work for his take.

Like I said above, the events of TDK (particularly in the second half) were ludicrous to the extent that they could only happen in a comic book. But they were incredibly well-written which makes you feel like they're completely rational and realistic. You can't pick on a movie for being well-written.

[Chris Wallace]

1-when I say that Joker didn't joke, I mean that he didn't always find the mayhem funny or pull pranks.
2-I'm not denying that the movie was well-done, but it is FAR removed from the world of a Batman comic in many respects. WHich for some odd reason, is fine with fans as long as it's done with Batman. The changes Nolan has made have been met with little to no resistance, while Raimi & SInger have been raked over the coals. Hell, I still come across fans whining about organic webbing, the shortage of wisecracks, the maskless Wolverine, Goblin armor & the absence of the gamma bomb. But nobody cares about Scarecrow being Ra's Al Ghul/Ducard's underling, or Two-Face's personality being completely re-written.

[TheScarecrow]

2-I'm not denying that the movie was well-done, but it is FAR removed from the world of a Batman comic in many respects. WHich for some odd reason, is fine with fans as long as it's done with Batman. The changes Nolan has made have been met with little to no resistance, while Raimi & SInger have been raked over the coals. Hell, I still come across fans whining about organic webbing, the shortage of wisecracks, the maskless Wolverine, Goblin armor & the absence of the gamma bomb. But nobody cares about Scarecrow being Ra's Al Ghul/Ducard's underling, or Two-Face's personality being completely re-written.

Ah, I see. Yeah...I'm pretty accepting of changes. I think the original X-Men costumes and the Green Goblin costume would look ridiculous on screen. That being said, the GG costume in the movie wasn't that great, I really preferred one of the designs I saw on the DVD but I still prefer it to the comic book look (at least for live-action, anyway).

Organic webbing was a great and pretty logical idea, if you ask me. I have no problem with changes being made to the comics so long as the characters (essentially) remain intact. I think the essence of Ra's, Scarecrow and the Joker was kept intact. And I think Nolan's portrayal of Harvey Dent was perfect (but Two-Face left something to be desired).

Likewise, Raimi's GG and Doc Ock were superb (Doc Ock even moreso). I have issues with his portrayal of Harry in the third film, though and I think for all his talk about how important MJ is, he doesn't really get her. I think it also showed that he had no interest in Venom as a character in SM3 as well. I'm not going to comment on Sandman because I do think he was lacking in SM3 but I know that Raimi had a lot more planned for him which couldn't be included because of Venom and time constraints.

We're kind of side-tracked (and I think it's my fault! lol).

[TheScarecrow]

2-I'm not denying that the movie was well-done, but it is FAR removed from the world of a Batman comic in many respects. WHich for some odd reason, is fine with fans as long as it's done with Batman. The changes Nolan has made have been met with little to no resistance, while Raimi & SInger have been raked over the coals. Hell, I still come across fans whining about organic webbing, the shortage of wisecracks, the maskless Wolverine, Goblin armor & the absence of the gamma bomb. But nobody cares about Scarecrow being Ra's Al Ghul/Ducard's underling, or Two-Face's personality being completely re-written.

Ah, I see. Yeah...I'm pretty accepting of changes. I think the original X-Men costumes and the Green Goblin costume would look ridiculous on screen. That being said, the GG costume in the movie wasn't that great, I really preferred one of the designs I saw on the DVD but I still prefer it to the comic book look (at least for live-action, anyway).

Organic webbing was a great and pretty logical idea, if you ask me. I have no problem with changes being made to the comics so long as the characters (essentially) remain intact. I think the essence of Ra's, Scarecrow and the Joker was kept intact. And I think Nolan's portrayal of Harvey Dent was perfect (but Two-Face left something to be desired).

Likewise, Raimi's GG and Doc Ock were superb (Doc Ock even moreso). I have issues with his portrayal of Harry in the third film, though and I think for all his talk about how important MJ is, he doesn't really get her. I think it also showed that he had no interest in Venom as a character in SM3 as well. I'm not going to comment on Sandman because I do think he was lacking in SM3 but I know that Raimi had a lot more planned for him which couldn't be included because of Venom and time constraints.

We're kind of side-tracked (and I think it's my fault! lol).

[Chris Wallace]

TDK fans are quick to defend it from me, like I didn't like it. I don't like the hypocrisy that revolves around its hype, & fans acting like God himself wrote & directed it. Doesn't mean I dislike it.
Anyway, we have definitely gotten sidetracked here.
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[Spider-Vader]

There's no doubt. I think it'll open bigger than Spidey 3. I don't know if it'll be the biggest opening weekend of all time (which happens like every year) but it'll be big.
If it's good it'll also do better than Spidey 3 in the long run.

[Dark Knight90!]

It's too early to tell right now... you have to wait until the hype train gets going.I thought Wolverine would be a big success... but it just feels like it's going to underwhelm everyone.

Spider-man 4 is a wait and see game - And every one telling themselves that the movie will makes loads and loads of money regardless are wrong.

''Oh, everyone will see it just because it's Spider-man''... um... NO!

The movie has a long way to go before anybody can make ridiculous statements like... ''This movie is gonna make A LOT of money!''

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ I respectfully disagree. Look at it this way, there's millions of die hard Spider-Man fans like us, but there are also children who love Spider-Man as well. Then there are also older people who like Spider-Man and see these films Overall, with all that combined, this film will make ALOT of money, regardless of what people thought of the 3rd one, which, as I said, I thought was awesome.

[LightningFlash]

I won't be watching it.

And I thought Wolverine was pretty dang incredible. Much better than all three X-Men films, imo.

Great ending for Scott Summers too.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ You won't be watching S-M4? Why?

[Gladiator]

^^ You won't be watching S-M4? Why?
He appears to be one of the many here that think TDK was the greatest film ever made.

Its funny how some people can compare an unfinished/illegal copy of a movie to one that doesn't even have a completed script yet.

[Spider-ManHero12]

He appears to be one of the many here that think TDK was the greatest film ever made. So, that's a reason not to see S-M4? Pfffttt, that's just stupid. Just ridiculous. TDk isn't the best movie ever made. Sure, in some people's opinions it is, but there are better films.

Its funny how some people can compare an unfinished/illegal copy of a movie to one that doesn't even have a completed script yet. Yeah, I agree. Doesn't make sense either.

[Chris Wallace]

I doubt he's gonna skip it altogether, or he wouldn't have come onto this thread just to say so. Strictly my opinion.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Something tells me You're write. You know, no matter how much people b*** about films or overall, a specific film, they still go to see it. If they think it's going to suck, then why see it?

[Chris Wallace]

Precisely. I expected Catwoman to suck, so I didn't go see it, & once my opinion was cemented, I stopped visiting its boards. Same goes for Superman Returns. Then there's the plethora of non-comic movies whose boards I NEVER visited b/c they never interested me. It kills me how people come onto these boards to trash a movie before it comes out, (proving that they're interested) then pick it apart after it comes out (proving that they've seen it) then start to nitpick every little detail (proving that they've seen it more than once) & yet expect us to buy their remarks.

[Dark Knight90!]

^^ I respectfully disagree. Look at it this way, there's millions of die hard Spider-Man fans like us, but there are also children who love Spider-Man as well. Then there are also older people who like Spider-Man and see these films Overall, with all that combined, this film will make ALOT of money, regardless of what people thought of the 3rd one, which, as I said, I thought was awesome.

Yes, and that is solid logic...

However, the same thing could be said for Superman. Perhaps even more so and we all know how Superman Returns turned out.

Every hero goes up and down... this could be Spider-man's Quest for peace.

I'm just saying... it's too soon to make any kind of judgment call. I hope the movie is a huge hit but nonetheless it is a wait and see game.

[SpaceWay2009]

Precisely. I expected Catwoman to suck, so I didn't go see it, & once my opinion was cemented, I stopped visiting its boards.Same here. I don't usually (rarely or never) go to a particular movie's message board to insult something. I only go to the boards that interest me. Such as Spider-Man 1/2/3/4, TSSM, Dragon Ball, etc.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yes, and that is solid logic...

However, the same thing could be said for Superman. Perhaps even more so and we all know how Superman Returns turned out.

Every hero goes up and down... this could be Spider-man's Quest for peace.

I'm just saying... it's too soon to make any kind of judgment call. I hope the movie is a huge hit but nonetheless it is a wait and see game. Good point, but I don't think S-M4 will be like Quest for Peace. I mean, Sam Raimi understands the universe of Spider-Man. He knows what he's doing, trust me. :yay:

Originally posted by Chris Wallace
Precisely. I expected Catwoman to suck, so I didn't go see it, & once my opinion was cemented, I stopped visiting its boards. Same goes for Superman Returns. Then there's the plethora of non-comic movies whose boards I NEVER visited b/c they never interested me. It kills me how people come onto these boards to trash a movie before it comes out, (proving that they're interested) then pick it apart after it comes out (proving that they've seen it) then start to nitpick every little detail (proving that they've seen it more than once) & yet expect us to buy their remarks. Exactly. Let's face, every time I see someobdy say "OMG, I'm boycotting this film", it's just BS. For the past 3 years that I've been here, I have not seen one person who said they are boycotting a film and have actualy meant it. Never.

[LightningFlash]

Hahahaha, I come back to see people saying "He won't see it because he thinks TDK is the best movie ever made", or some other stupid crap about liking Wolverine, lol.

Well, boys and girls, or just children all around, I say I won't be watching it(Spider-Man 4) is because Raimi screwed the pooch with the third movie. He didn't even come close to try to make that movie even remotely enjoyable, even though he "loves" Spider-Man.

And yes, I came here to just say I won't be watching it, because I don't think it'll make "a lot of money".

And neither The Dark Knight, Wolverine or Watchmen is my favorite movie.

It's The Crow, fyi. That or Se7en. Or Platoon. Yah, one of those three.


PS: When I say I won't be watching a film, I mean it. I won't be watching Spider-Man 4; until we get a new director that REALLY cares for the character.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Trust me, you will. As soon as you watch the trailer, you're going to want to see it, but not admit it.

[D-Man22]

^I agree. Any spiderman movie is destined to make money cuz well..... its SPIDERMAN.

[LightningFlash]

Trust me, I won't.

The only two Spidey villains I liked were Green Goblin and Venom. GG is dead and Venom got ufcked up.

Lizard will just be another sympathetic villain that won't talk. I can see it now; they'll reference Lizard to a lost dog.

[D-Man22]

^Yeah you would. You're just saying that now. When the trailer hits and it looks super awesome and most likely different from the previous ones you will be the first guy at the cinema.

[weezerspider]

...why? Sure, Heath's Joker might have brought in a ton of people, but weren't they blown away not only because of his performance, but also the movie? Why wouldn't people come back?

BINGO! Enough of the Heath's death crap. Did help the movie? YES! Did it make the movie? No.Everyone else is just mad that the majority of the world likes TDK over Sm2, Watchmen, Iron Man, whatever. It's clear everyone and the brother saw TDK and it seems pretty clear almost everyone liked it. Why would they NOT go see the sequel?

[D-Man22]

^But Heath's death did help the movie make SOME money. Although I do believe it was mostly his performance as the Joker is what cause TDK to make sooo much dough at the BO.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Trust me, I won't.

The only two Spidey villains I liked were Green Goblin and Venom. GG is dead and Venom got ufcked up.

Lizard will just be another sympathetic villain that won't talk. I can see it now; they'll reference Lizard to a lost dog. Trust me, you will. :up:


Also, Lizard being sympathetic? Well, that would be great. However, I don't think he'll be sympathetic when he's actually the Lizard. I personally, think he'll be smart as well as savage when he's the Lizard.

[Spider-ManHero12]

BINGO! Enough of the Heath's death crap. Did help the movie? YES! Did it make the movie? No.Everyone else is just mad that the majority of the world likes TDK over Sm2, Watchmen, Iron Man, whatever. No, we are not. We are stating facts. Heath did help the film. He's mostly who everybody talks about, anyway. Sure, TDK was fantastic, but it had help from Heath. No if's, and's, or butt's about it. Majority of the world? Please, how do you or anybody know that all of the world perfer's TDK over other comic book films? Just because it grossed alot of money? Not necessarily the case. Also, sorry if I sounded mean.

[thejon93]

No, we are not. We are stating facts. Heath did help the film. He's mostly who everybody talks about, anyway. Sure, TDK was fantastic, but it had help from Heath. No if's, and's, or butt's about it. Majority of the world? Please, how do you or anybody know that all of the world perfer's TDK over other comic book films? Just because it grossed alot of money? Not necessarily the case. Also, sorry if I sounded mean.
Simply put: 'The Dark Knight' wouldn't have worked without Ledger's performance. People say that The Joker was the main character in 'Batman(1989)'?... I beg to differ. The whole feel of the movie would've been compromised without the character, or even Heath's performance.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Is this directed towards me, or is it how you feel? Sorry, I'm kind of confused.

[D-Man22]

Simply put: 'The Dark Knight' wouldn't have worked without Ledger's performance. People say that The Joker was the main character in 'Batman(1989)'?... I beg to differ. The whole feel of the movie would've been compromised without the character, or even Heath's performance.

Yep but don't get too cocky because the same thing applies to most comic book movies. The same thing can be said for RDJ's performance as Tony Stark/Iron Man as well. In fact I do think that if it wasn't for RDJ's performance as TS that movie wouldn't have made half of what it made at the BO.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ true, but you have to understand that, sadly, people in high school, etc, weren't going nuts about RDJ's performance as Stark as much as they did for Heath's Joker. It's VERY sad, but it's true because personally, I LOVEd his performance as Tony Stark.

[D-Man22]

^Yep same thing for Depp's Jack Sparrow as well.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Another thing I noticed was what, specifically, people talk about when they talk about TDK. It's not Batman, it's not Alfred, it's not Rachel, it's the Joker. I've even heard people say that the joker made the film for them, and as I said, I think that was part of how much money TDK grossed. If you ask me, I think S-M4 has an amazing chance of being top notch at the box office for the year of 2011 and even up there with top grossing films of all time. TDK's grossing at the box office, sadly, will be very hard to top.

[D-Man22]

^Yep you hit the nail on the head with that post. I wouldn't be surprised if the next Batman movie makes a little more than what BB made at the BO because whichever villain they decide to use can't top the joker.

[thejon93]

^^ Is this directed towards me, or is it how you feel? Sorry, I'm kind of confused.
And so you will forever be:funny:

But seriously, I added to what you said about Heath delivering a great mass of 'The Dark Knight's money. I just wanted to further include that the movie would've been nothing without The Joker (which implies to what 'D-Man' says below).
Yep but don't get too cocky because the same thing applies to most comic book movies. The same thing can be said for RDJ's performance as Tony Stark/Iron Man as well. In fact I do think that if it wasn't for RDJ's performance as TS that movie wouldn't have made half of what it made at the BO.
Oh, I know. I know that very well, thank you:cwink:

[Spider-ManHero12]

And so you will forever be:funny:

But seriously, I added to what you said about Heath delivering a great mass of 'The Dark Knight's money. I just wanted to further include that the movie would've been nothing without The Joker (which implies to what 'D-Man' says below). Lol, I see. Well, I do think TDK still would have been really good without the Joker, but not as good as it would be with the Joker. For some odd reason, people are afraid to admit it.

[thejon93]

Lol, I see. Well, I do think TDK still would have been really good without the Joker, but not as good as it would be with the Joker. For some odd reason, people are afraid to admit it.
Oh, I know:o

[Spider-ManHero12]

TDK was, with or without the Joker an amazing film, but alot of people seem to be going crazy about the effect TDK had on the box office, which is great and all, but even if S-M4 doesn't do as well as TDK did at the box office, as long as it has a really well told story that pulls us in like this trilogy has already, then I'm fine with it. :up:

[thejon93]

TDK was, with or without the Joker an amazing film, but alot of people seem to be going crazy about the effect TDK had on the box office, which is great and all, but even if S-M4 doesn't do as well as TDK did at the box office, as long as it has a really well told story that pulls us in like this trilogy has already, then I'm fine with it. :up:
Well put, sirhttp://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon7.gif

[Spider-ManHero12]

^Yep you hit the nail on the head with that post. I wouldn't be surprised if the next Batman movie makes a little more than what BB made at the BO because whichever villain they decide to use can't top the joker. Agreed. Once you hit the peak of something, You can go anywhere but above.


Originally posted by thejon93
Well put, sirhttp://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon7.gif Thanks! :yay:

Now, in no way am I trying to bash Batman because I think TDK is the best DC film ever, and Batman is great, but I'm just stating how I feel and honestly, the truth.

[LightningFlash]

Trust me, you will. :up:


Also, Lizard being sympathetic? Well, that would be great. However, I don't think he'll be sympathetic when he's actually the Lizard. I personally, think he'll be smart as well as savage when he's the Lizard.

Raimi's version of Spidey is mostly for kids...so I can expect you to watch it, but nope, not me. They already showed the villains I wanted to see, so I'm done with it.

Besides, Iron Man is much more badass.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ So, Ock killing doctors in a hospital with his tentacles is for kids?

[Chris Wallace]

Yup. So is a guy getting impaled through his lungs, & a woman getting killed by a shard of glass through her eye.

[thejon93]

Yup. So is a guy getting impaled through his lungs, & a woman getting killed by a shard of glass through her eye.
Which movie was that in?...

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yup. So is a guy getting impaled through his lungs, & a woman getting killed by a shard of glass through her eye. Great examples. :up::up::up:

[FlawlessVictory]

Which movie was that in?...

Venom impaled Harry.

[Chris Wallace]

Which movie was that in?...
3.
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And there are other examples: people being incinerated to the bone, another impalement, Harry nearly gutting Peter-it's not a Saturday morning type of film series.
At the same time, I will say that Spider-Man is, has always been and should be a more family-friendly character than Batman. (B & B notwithstanding) "Friendly Neighborhood" invokes a drastically different vibe than "Dark Knight". One was introduced as an awkward teen who designed his costume for showbiz purposes, the other was introduced as a vengeful vigilante who designed his to terrorize. One had a balloon in the Macy's Parade, which puts him in the company of Charlie Brown & Underdog. The other had a movie whose imagery nearly torpedoed a promotional campaign w/McDonald's. But that's what I like about Spider-Man; he's not the scary, tough-as-nails, beat-you-to-a-bloody-pulp kind of character. Let Batman have that motif. He's not the drunken womanizer. Let Iron Man have that. I've seen what happens when they try to make Spidey more "mature" (MTV, Cameron's script) and I'll pass.

[thejon93]

3.
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk20/Alex_Corvis_Is_Hot/shawnnewgoblin.jpg
And there are other examples: people being incinerated to the bone, another impalement, Harry nearly gutting Peter-it's not a Saturday morning type of film series.
At the same time, I will say that Spider-Man is, has always been and should be a more family-friendly character than Batman. (B & B notwithstanding) "Friendly Neighborhood" invokes a drastically different vibe than "Dark Knight". One was introduced as an awkward teen who designed his costume for showbiz purposes, the other was introduced as a vengeful vigilante who designed his to terrorize. One had a balloon in the Macy's Parade, which puts him in the company of Charlie Brown & Underdog. The other had a movie whose imagery nearly torpedoed a promotional campaign w/McDonald's. But that's what I like about Spider-Man; he's not the scary, tough-as-nails, beat-you-to-a-bloody-pulp kind of character. Let Batman have that motif. He's not the drunken womanizer. Let Iron Man have that. I've seen what happens when they try to make Spidey more "mature" (MTV, Cameron's script) and I'll pass.
Thanks for clearing that up.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Another thing, why the hell does a film have to be somewhat brutal to attract people? "Oh, it doesn't have blood but the other superhero film does, so I like that one better". Just so stupid. Hell, the Spider-Man films are as violent as they should be, IMO.

[spider-neil]

let's just point some things out;

a) Spider-man 3 made nigh on 900 million at the world wide box office.
b) Spider-man 3 made more than spider-man 2 world wide (SM2 is rotten tomato's highest rated superhero movie after TDK) so word of didn't hurt it (sm3).
c) the majority of movie goers loved spider-man 3. there is no way on this earth SM3 could have made the numbers it did and not been popular, its legs took it past the 800 million mark.
d) SM3 made a fortune in blu ray sales. which wouldn't have happened if people hated the movie, 'I hated SM3 therefore I must own it, that will show sony'.

can someone please tell me in what shape or form was SM3 not popular with the GA? I'm not talking about the spidey fans/the fanboys/the comic readers I'm talking the GA because all the people I talk to not connected to comics love the movie, in fact some have said they found it the most 'entertaining' of all the spidey movies.

I can almost guarantee when spidey opens in 2011 it will take the opening weekend record, the fastest to 100 million and the fastest to 200 million after that it will be a case of WOM. anyone who thinks spidey 4 wont open big is insane. I'm sorry but based on what? spidey 3 last domestic taking (massive) merchandising (massive) dvd/blu ray sales (massive). what EVIDENCE on this green earth is there that spidey 4 wont open big? what, because TDK opened big spidey wont? ha ha

the dedicated spidey fans is FRACTION of the GA. heck raimi could (I hope he doesn't though) look at spidey 3 numbers and go, 'hey I played spidey 2 serious and made 'X' at the box office and played spidey 3 for laughs and made MUCH MORE so I'll make MORE laughs'.

and for the people who claim iron man is the new spider-man, erm, how exactly, it didn't make more than the LAST spider-man.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ People automatically assume everyone on earth didn't like S-M3, when that's not really the case. Spider-Man 3 as HUGE all over the world, especially in terms of box office, so yes, there is absoloutely no doubt that S-M4 will dominate the box office in 2011.

[Adrian89]

^^ People automatically assume everyone on earth didn't like S-M3, when that's not really the case. Spider-Man 3 as HUGE all over the world, especially in terms of box office, so yes, there is absoloutely no doubt that S-M4 will dominate the box office in 2011.
Yeap, that's true.

Most of my friends have enjoyed SM3. We went like 4 guys with our girfriends (8 people) on the oppening day and all of them enjoyed the movie and neither is a SM Fan like I am. I was the only one who didn't really enjoy it and felt dissapointed.

[Chris Wallace]

If SM3 were truly as unpopular as comic fanboys try to make it out to be, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The truth is, overall it is the most satisfying & most well-received 3rd installment in the history of the genre. For all we know, Nolan's next Bat-flick could fall victim to the "3rd movie curse" & go belly-up. Nolan could lose his mind. He could walk away & hand the franchise over to one of those "style over substance" directors. The studio could pressure him & make him put 5 villains in it. You don't know. Right now, what little negative impact has come from Raimi being pressured on the 3rd film is supposedly going to be absent from the 4th.

[spider-neil]

If SM3 were truly as unpopular as comic fanboys try to make it out to be, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The truth is, overall it is the most satisfying & most well-received 3rd installment in the history of the genre. For all we know, Nolan's next Bat-flick could fall victim to the "3rd movie curse" & go belly-up. Nolan could lose his mind. He could walk away & hand the franchise over to one of those "style over substance" directors. The studio could pressure him & make him put 5 villains in it. You don't know. Right now, what little negative impact has come from Raimi being pressured on the 3rd film is supposedly going to be absent from the 4th.

exactly, I personally was disppointed but I definately fall within the 'fanboy' demographic. spidey 3 made 900 million TDK has made 150 million more, when you put it in those terms that not a huge margin at all, also take into account spidey's competition was POTC, transformers, shrek 3.
who was batman up against? iron man. hell boy.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Exactly, Chris Wallace. People act like Nolan can never mess up, and that Batman 3 is destined to be great with Nolan at the helm, but you see, ANY director can mess up. Batman 3 can suck, bottom line. Do I think it will? No, but I don't see it being nearly as good as TDK. TDK was the peak of the Nolan franchise, and as I said, once you reach that peak, you can go anywhere but above. I think that Sam Raimi will bring us a fantastic S-M4. I feel as though he will pull us into the film and make us feel for the characters. Just my thoughts.

[spider-neil]

some people are just don't know what their talking about, I read a magazine just like week that said 'spidey 3 looked to be the start of a slump for the superhero genre till the blockbuster TDK'. nonsense. up until TDK spiderman 3 was the highest grossing superhero movie EVER (including inflation) and even the mighty TDK has just 150 million more world wide.

the only disappointing thing for SM3 were the reviews (but even the reviews weren't as harsh as people make out over 70% on rotten tomato) and the movie itself (and that's just my opinion.

[spider-neil]

Exactly, Chris Wallace. People act like Nolan can never mess up, and that Batman 3 is destined to be great with Nolan at the helm, but you see, ANY director can mess up. Batman 3 can suck, bottom line. Do I think it will? No, but I don't see it being nearly as good as TDK. TDK was the peak of the Nolan franchise, and as I said, once you reach that peak, you can go anywhere but above. I think that Sam Raimi will bring us a fantastic S-M4. I feel as though he will pull us into the film and make us feel for the characters. Just my thoughts.

raimi is going to come to SM4 thinking 'where did I screw up, how can I make it better?'

nolan is going to come to TDK2 thinking 'how the heck do I top that?'.
which is exactly what raimi must have been thinking after SM2

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Seriously? That article just ticks me off so much and I haven't even read it. S-M3 was fantastic in alot of people's minds (non-comic fans) as a film and at the box office. Also, there's one more thing I'd like to point out. I know people say the Joker didn't make TDK for them, but honestly, if that is so, then how come on alot of forum's on the internet, I see alot of joker's instead of Batman in avatars? It's simple, people enjoyed the Joker the most. people tal kabout the Joker so much outside the internet that the film sounds like it wasn't even Batman film they were talknig about. I haven't heard alot of people talk about TDK, so that makes me believe that for some odd reason, people wanted ot see the Joker more than any other chacter. Sure, he was fantastic, but you need to pay attention to other chacter's as well, which Nolan did, but alot of people didn't care for the other characters. Anyway, I think S-M4 will be the top grossing of the series.

[Spider-ManHero12]

raimi is going to come to SM4 thinking 'where did I screw up, how can I make it better?'

nolan is going to come to TDK2 thinking 'how the heck do I top that?'.
which is exactly what raimi must have been thinking after SM2As much as I loved S-M3, that really is what Sam will be thinking despite what anyone thinks. Honestly, spider-neil, you're right all around with this post. You know, something comes to mind when I think about all of this. You know the DIe Hard series? Well, each film was great, but critics say they dodn't match the quality of the first one, but were still great. That's what I think of when I think of the future of Nolan's franchise. They will still be good, but, not as good as TDK.

Though, I'm a HUGE fan of the Die Hard series and I love all the films almost the same, but not quite. The 1st one is my favorite, the 2nd or 3rd one is my seoncd favorite, and I think my 3rd or 4th favorite is the 4th one. Probable my 4th favorite. That's beside the point though. :word::hehe:

[spider-neil]

^^ Seriously? That just ticks me off so much. S-M3 was fantastic in alot of people's minds (non-comic fans) as a film and at the box office. Also, there's one more thing I'd like to point out. I know people say the Joker didn't make TDK for them, but honestly, if that is so, then how come on alot of forum's on the internet, I see alot of joker's instead of Batman in avatars? It's simple, people enjoyed the Joker the most. people tal kabout the Joker so much outside the internet that the film sounds like it wasn't even Batman film they were talknig about. I haven't heard alot of people talk about TDK, so that makes me believe that for some odd reason, people wanted ot see the Joker more than any other chacter. Sure, he was fantastic, but you need to pay attention to other chacter's as well, which Nolan did, but alot of people didn't care for the other characters. Anyway, I think S-M4 will be the top grossing of the series.

I enjoyed TDK a lot but I read a lot of comments that give you the impression that because of TDK SM4 isn't going to make money? erm, what? did Batman begins hurt the sales of SM3? not in the slightest.
going slightly of topic I saw BB and SM2 again and SM2 is MUCH movie the end of BB is a mess. ha ha had to get that off my chest.

SM4 is a licence to print money, c'mon lets be honest about this in fact all SM4 has to be GOOD (in the opinion of the reviews) and it will more than likely do better than SM3.

[spider-neil]

As much as I loved S-M3, that really is what Sam will be thinking despite what anyone thinks. Honestly, spider-neil, you're right all around with this post. You know, something comes to mind when I think about all of this. You know the DIe Hard series? Well, each film was great, but critics say they dodn't match the quality of the first one, but were still great. That's what I think of when I think of the future of Nolan's franchise. They will still be good, but, not as good as TDK.

Though, I'm a HUGE fan of the Die Hard series and I love all the films almost the same, but not quite. The 1st one is my favorite, the 2nd or 3rd one is my seoncd favorite, and I think my 3rd or 4th favorite is the 4th one. Probable my 4th favorite. That's beside the point though. :word::hehe:


sam knocked SM2 out of the park. I left the cinema thinking 'that is THE best superhero movie I have ever seen' then I thought 'he might as well give up now no way is he going to top that'. and thus it transpired well I thought the same thing about TDK 'that is THE best superhero movie I have ever seen' then 'he might as well give up now no way is he going to top that'. we'll see what happens.

personally I think sam will EASILY better SM3 purely because almost certainly he will be working with characters he loves not one dimensional rubbish characters like venom and carnage (yuck!).

SM1 - GG (silver age) - ace movie
SM2 -doc ock (silver age) - ace movie
SM3 venom (bronze age) - poor movie (imho).

[Spider-ManHero12]

I enjoyed TDK a lot but I read a lot of comments that give you the impression that because of TDK SM4 isn't going to make money? erm, what? did Batman begins hurt the sales of SM3? not in the slightest. Wow, and you know something? It's comments like that that make me and other people believe some people think TDK is more than just a film. TDK was a film that shocked people, mainly because they didn't expect Ledger to do something as incredible as it was done. I didn't see that happen with S-M. The Spider-Man films, all tgoeather have grossed $18 billion+ worldwide. There is absoluotely NO reason that S-M4 should bomb at the box office. It's not going to happen.

[Spider-ManHero12]

sam knocked SM2 out of the park. I left the cinema thinking 'that is THE best superhero movie I have ever seen' then I thought 'he might as well give up now no way is he going to top that'. and thus it transpired well I thought the same thing about TDK 'that is THE best superhero movie I have ever seen' then 'he might as well give up now no way is he going to top that'. we'll see what happens.

personally I think sam will EASILY better SM3 purely because almost certainly he will be working with characters he loves not one dimensional rubbish characters like venom and carnage (yuck!).

SM1 - GG (silver age) - ace movie
SM2 -doc ock (silver age) - ace movie
SM3 venom (bronze age) - poor movie (imho). I remember leaving the theater with my heart throbbing fast, lol. My god, I was posessed by the Spider-Man films all togeather, lol. I remember going nuts seeing Spidey trying to stop that train. Breath taking, and I was only 10 or 11. Same for S-M1. For S-M1 and S-M 3, I was on the edge of my seat for a while, just like S-M2. :up:

[spider-neil]

Wow, and you know something? It's comments like that that make me and other people believe some people think TDK is more than just a film. TDK was a film that shocked people, mainly because they didn't expect Ledger to do something as incredible as it was done. I didn't see that happen with S-M. The Spider-Man films, all tgoeather have grossed $18 billion+ worldwide. There is absoluotely NO reason that S-M4 should bomb at the box office. It's not going to happen.

I think some things are a given

a) spidey will have a massive opening
b) spidey will break 150 million very quickly

then the legs will depend on how good the movie actually is, the weird thing is I thought SM2 was a MUCH better movie than SM3 but SM3 had better legs world wide (SM2 had better legs domestically).

[spider-neil]

I remember leaving the theater with my heart throbbing fast, lol. My god, I was posessed by the Spider-Man films all togeather, lol. I remember going nuts seeing Spidey trying to stop that train. Breath taking, and I was only 10 or 11. Same for S-M1. For S-M1 and S-M 3, I was on the edge of my seat for a while, just like S-M2. :up:


I thougt the train sequence was the best action sequence ever in a superhero movie and imho still hasn't been topped by anything in a batman movie (not even the bat bike sequence).

[Spider-ManHero12]

Oh, yes, I do believe S-M4 will have a massive opening, even at the midnight premiere, which I will be going to, spider-neil. I also agree that it'll break the 150 million mark. ALso, for S-M3, whether people loved or hated it, no matter what, it was going to have a massive opening. It was and, in my mind, still is the biggest superhero/comic book franchise ever. I really think that will conitune with #4.

[spider-neil]

Oh, yes, I do believe S-M4 will have a massive opening, even at the midnight premiere, which I will be going to, spider-neil. I also agree that it'll break the 150 million mark. ALso, for S-M3, whether people loved or hated it, no matter what, it was going to have a massive opening. It was and, in my mind, still is the biggest superhero/comic book franchise ever. I really think that will conitune with #4.


well that's a fact.
2.5 billion for three movies

BB/TDK
1.5 billion for two movies

[Spider-ManHero12]

I thougt the train sequence was the best action sequence ever in a superhero movie and imho still hasn't been topped by anything in a batman movie (not even the bat bike sequence). I second that. I have yet to be put on the edge of my seat from an action scene in a superhero film like I have the train scene in S-M2. The music that was building up faster and faster as Spidey was trying his hardest to stop the train. My god, makes me want to watch S-M2 right now.

[Spider-ManHero12]

well that's a fact.
2.5 billion for three movies

BB/TDK
1.5 billion for two movies Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Well, technically, Spidey is still on top all togeather.

[spider-neil]

in closing people should back up their arguement why they think spidey 4 wont make a lot of money. again I pose the question why when the 3rd made more than the 2nd (erm isn't that an UPWARD trend?).

and TDK only made 150 million more than spidey with spidey facing much stronger competition. I'd love it (LOVE IT!!) if spidey came out same week as batman. all the families and kids v all the adults and their girlfriends/wives. I'd love to see that soooo badly.

[spider-neil]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Well, technically, Spidey is still on top all togeather.

there's no technically about it, spidey is THE biggest superhero franchise in the world.

the movies
the dvds/blu ray
the merchandsing
the comics
the cartoons

that MAY change but right now its a fact.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^ You're not the only one. Spider-Man vs. Batman. Who would come out on top? I know who I'd be rooting for. :up:

Out of all seriouisness though, no matter how much people b*** and yell about how S-M4 won't make alot of money because of S-M3, S-M4 will come out on top that year. As many people have said. It's Spider-Man.

[SpaceWay2009]

let's just point some things out;

a) Spider-man 3 made nigh on 900 million at the world wide box office.
b) Spider-man 3 made more than spider-man 2 world wide (SM2 is rotten tomato's highest rated superhero movie after TDK) so word of didn't hurt it (sm3).
c) the majority of movie goers loved spider-man 3. there is no way on this earth SM3 could have made the numbers it did and not been popular, its legs took it past the 800 million mark.
d) SM3 made a fortune in blu ray sales. which wouldn't have happened if people hated the movie, 'I hated SM3 therefore I must own it, that will show sony'.

can someone please tell me in what shape or form was SM3 not popular with the GA? I'm not talking about the spidey fans/the fanboys/the comic readers I'm talking the GA because all the people I talk to not connected to comics love the movie, in fact some have said they found it the most 'entertaining' of all the spidey movies.

I can almost guarantee when spidey opens in 2011 it will take the opening weekend record, the fastest to 100 million and the fastest to 200 million after that it will be a case of WOM. anyone who thinks spidey 4 wont open big is insane. I'm sorry but based on what? spidey 3 last domestic taking (massive) merchandising (massive) dvd/blu ray sales (massive). what EVIDENCE on this green earth is there that spidey 4 wont open big? what, because TDK opened big spidey wont? ha ha

the dedicated spidey fans is FRACTION of the GA. heck raimi could (I hope he doesn't though) look at spidey 3 numbers and go, 'hey I played spidey 2 serious and made 'X' at the box office and played spidey 3 for laughs and made MUCH MORE so I'll make MORE laughs'.

and for the people who claim iron man is the new spider-man, erm, how exactly, it didn't make more than the LAST spider-man.Well said.

I think I fall under the fan demographic, though.

[Spider-ManHero12]

there's no technically about it, spidey is THE biggest superhero franchise in the world.

the movies
the dvds/blu ray
the merchandsing
the comics
the cartoons

that MAY change but right now its a fact. Yup. :up::up::up:

I mean, Spidey's on top everywhere form great films to an amazing animated series (literally amazing). He's like a ball that never stops rolling.

[spider-neil]

^ You're not the only one. Spider-Man vs. Batman. Who would come out on top? I know who I'd be rooting for. :up:

Out of all seriouisness though, no matter how much people b*** and yell about how S-M4 won't make alot of money because of S-M3, S-M4 will come out on top that year. As many people have said. It's Spider-Man.


I'd love to see spidey 4 and TDK 2 open within two weeks of each other just to give the people who claim the spidey franchise is finished a massive shock. people thought that POTC would crush SM3 well it didn't happen did it?

I would just love to see spidey v bats in a direct competiton where people had to choose one or the other to watch because I know which movie I would watch if given the choice between the two. also if you have a family of four, mum, dad, boy, girl I'd love to see how that would get split up.

oh, this time around batman doesn't have the joker or heath ledger going for it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'd love to see spidey 4 and TDK 2 open within two weeks of each other just to give the people who claim the spidey franchise is finished a massive shock. people thought that POTC would crush SM3 well it didn't happen did it?

I would just love to see spidey v bats in a direct competiton where people had to choose one or the other to watch because I know which movie I would watch if given the choice between the two. also if you have a family of four, mum, dad, boy, girl I'd love to see how that would get split up.

oh, this time around batman doesn't have the joker or heath ledger going for it. That would be epic. It would be the battle of the decade or more in terms of box office. The question of the year would be "Spider-Man or Batman?" There could only be one that wins.

[spider-neil]

That would be epic. It would be the battle of the decade or more in terms of box office. The question of the year would be "Spider-Man or Batman?" There could only be one that wins.


there is no way marvel/dc would allow they to open within months of each other that would be carnage (no pun intended).

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Very true, but it would...well, it would be something I would want to see.

[Sawyer]

If Fast & Furious can open with record box office then I'm sure Spidey 4 will do the same. People think it won't happen since most people hated Spider-Man 3. But it seems like audiences can be very forgiving.

Eeh... I'm not so sure. I think Fast and Furious made as much money as it did because most Americans get a boner everytime they see fast cars...

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Lol, that seems quite true.

[Jack O Lantern]

I am actually [not really] on my knees right now. Asking people to stop hi-jacking every thread and making it about TDK. You have your own section of the board to talk about it.

Keep it out of the Spidey section please.

[weezerspider]

No, we are not. We are stating facts. Heath did help the film. He's mostly who everybody talks about, anyway. Sure, TDK was fantastic, but it had help from Heath. No if's, and's, or butt's about it. Majority of the world? Please, how do you or anybody know that all of the world perfer's TDK over other comic book films? Just because it grossed alot of money? Not necessarily the case. Also, sorry if I sounded mean.

Did you read my post? I said Heath's death helped the movie. It would be naive to say it didn't, BUT, like I said earlier, it didn't make the movie. Alotta people went and saw it because of his death. Alot of these people left the movie enjoying, not just his performance, but the whole film all together. Why the Hell would they not go see a sequel to a film that they enjoyed? My point has nothing to do with Sm-4. Sm-4 will be a success, I said that a few pages back, but some moron here said that TDK's sequel won't make that much money. Thats ridiculous. Completely ridiculous.lThats my point. It's ridiculous to think TDK's sequel won't be successful. The majority of people who saw it enjoyed it, so they probably will be interested in a sequel.That's my point. I'm not trying to start a Spidey vs Batman. I like Spiderman better, but Batman has the best movie. Ok? BACK TO SM-4 SUCCESS.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Edit.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Did you read my post? I said Heath's death helped the movie. It would be naive to say it didn't, BUT, like I said earlier, it didn't make the movie. Alotta people went and saw it because of his death. Alot of these people left the movie enjoying, not just his performance, but the whole film all together. Why the Hell would they not go see a sequel to a film that they enjoyed? My point has nothing to do with Sm-4. Sm-4 will be a success, I said that a few pages back, but some moron here said that TDK's sequel won't make that much money. Thats ridiculous. Completely ridiculous.lThats my point. It's ridiculous to think TDK's sequel won't be successful. The majority of people who saw it enjoyed it, so they probably will be interested in a sequel.That's my point. I'm not trying to start a Spidey vs Batman. I like Spiderman better, but Batman has the best movie. Ok? BACK TO SM-4 SUCCESS. Yes, I read your post, and I do know that TDk was a great film all around, but if Joker didn't make the movie (not talkling about my mind, talking about other people), then how come he's the only thing I see as comic book avatars and mainly the main topic of TDK? I'm not saying it is that way, I'm just saying it seems that way.

Anyway, back to talking about the amount of money S-M4 will gross. :yay:

[weezerspider]

Yes, I read your post, and I do know that TDk was a great film all around, but if Joker didn't make the movie (not talkling about my mind, talking about other people), then how come he's the only thing I see as comic book avatars and mainly the main topic of TDK? I'm not saying it is that way, I'm just saying it seems that way.

Anyway, back to talking about the amount of money S-M4 will gross. :yay:
Joker did make the movie. I was saying Ledger's death wasn't the only reason why it made money. If your simply talking about the character, The Joker, than yes, he stole the show. Now that we are hopefully on the same page, Spiderman 4....

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ oh, I see what you mean. Well, as I said, I don't think it was the film itself that kept drawing people in, but as you said, the Joker stole the show, which caused many more people to see it. I know people hate to admit it, but as I said, it's true.

Anyway, the wait for S-M4 is killing me. How much do you guys think it will make opening night?

[LightningFlash]

^^ So, Ock killing doctors in a hospital with his tentacles is for kids?

Well, you do know that the only scene we get of blood on someone, except for Spidey is Norman Osborn...so, "scary" scenes, but with no blood(even Harry's death had NO blood), can be seen as kiddish. The guy who made the Evil Dead movies made the movies more kiddish movie after movie. The scenes are meant to be frightful, but there was no blood, whatsoever, to make it still a KID's film series.

That's another reason why I only liked Spider-Man, and not the latter two: it felt like an adult directed the movie.

But I have said this over and over...and all I get is annoying Spidey fans thinking they were God's gifts in the form of entertainment....and that Sam Raimi was God's gift to Spidey fans.

[weezerspider]

That's another reason why I only liked Spider-Man, and not the latter two: it felt like an adult directed the movie.

Don't like Spiderman 2? wow.......

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well, you do know that the only scene we get of blood on someone, except for Spidey is Norman Osborn...so, "scary" scenes, but with no blood(even Harry's death had NO blood), can be seen as kiddish. The guy who made the Evil Dead movies made the movies more kiddish movie after movie. The scenes are meant to be frightful, but there was no blood, whatsoever, to make it still a KID's film series.

That's another reason why I only liked Spider-Man, and not the latter two: it felt like an adult directed the movie.

But I have said this over and over...and all I get is annoying Spidey fans thinking they were God's gifts in the form of entertainment....and that Sam Raimi was God's gift to Spidey fans. Wait, so you're telling me that you only like fight/deaths in a comic film when there's blood? Specifically Spider-Man? That's just.....stupid. :huh:

[chaseter]

Blood is and should be used few and far between in Spider-Man movies. Spider-Man nor his villians are blood thirsty mass murdering maniacs except for Carnage and he sucks more than a Hoover vacuum.

[Chris Wallace]

^^ Seriously? That article just ticks me off so much and I haven't even read it. S-M3 was fantastic in alot of people's minds (non-comic fans) as a film and at the box office. Also, there's one more thing I'd like to point out. I know people say the Joker didn't make TDK for them, but honestly, if that is so, then how come on alot of forum's on the internet, I see alot of joker's instead of Batman in avatars? It's simple, people enjoyed the Joker the most. people tal kabout the Joker so much outside the internet that the film sounds like it wasn't even Batman film they were talknig about. I haven't heard alot of people talk about TDK, so that makes me believe that for some odd reason, people wanted ot see the Joker more than any other chacter. Sure, he was fantastic, but you need to pay attention to other chacter's as well, which Nolan did, but alot of people didn't care for the other characters. Anyway, I think S-M4 will be the top grossing of the series.
Again, it made money. It moved merchandise. It got good reviews from those who were reviewing it on its merits as a movie & not basing their opinions on pre-conceived notions. I think it mainly pissed off Venom fans more than anything else.
Chasetes, yet again I agree with you wholeheartedly.

[chaseter]

Just ask me to be your bff and get it over with:heart:

[chaseter]

some people are just don't know what their talking about, I read a magazine just like week that said 'spidey 3 looked to be the start of a slump for the superhero genre till the blockbuster TDK'. nonsense. up until TDK spiderman 3 was the highest grossing superhero movie EVER (including inflation) and even the mighty TDK has just 150 million more world wide.

the only disappointing thing for SM3 were the reviews (but even the reviews weren't as harsh as people make out over 70% on rotten tomato) and the movie itself (and that's just my opinion.
That magazine was talking about quality. After X3 and SM3, my hopes were dashed but then TDK and IM came along and proved that great comic book movies can still be made. SM3 was a step down in quality and that is pretty obvious from fan and critic responses. SM3 wasn't terrible, I gave it a 7/10 but when comparing it to the first two, it is easily the weakest and worst of the three. I don't want this franchise to run into the ground like Fox is doing with the X-Men franchise.

Just because a movie has a huge opening weekend doesn't mean it is a great movie. A movie's legs is a good tell for quality as well as the second week numbers as compared to the first week. Week 1 SM3 made 152 million and Week 2 it made 58 million. That is a massive drop. SM3 was coming off the previously adored first two films so it pulled in those massive first week numbers. Had the film been better, it would have made much much more because of repeat viewings and had better legs like we saw with TDK and IM.

SM2 also had a large second week drop but it wasn't as highly anticipated or publicized as SM3 was. Fans and critics had high hopes for SM3 and were let down. SM2 also made more money than SM3 and with less theatres.

SM3 had a 61% on RT btw. The mighty TDK passed 1 billion world wide and made over a staggering half a billion domestic. That is not to be scoffed at by saying 'just 150 million more'. What TDK did was an amazing feat and I wish that we could see a Spidey film do that.

[spider-neil]

SM2 also had a large second week drop but it wasn't as highly anticipated or publicized as SM3 was. Fans and critics had high hopes for SM3 and were let down. SM2 also made more money than SM3 and with less theatres.

SM3 had a 61% on RT btw. The mighty TDK passed 1 billion world wide and made over a staggering half a billion domestic. That is not to be scoffed at by saying 'just 150 million more'. What TDK did was an amazing feat and I wish that we could see a Spidey film do that.


I stand corrected with SM3 it is indeed down to 61% last time I checked (about a year ago it was 70%)

SM3 beat SM2 worldwide takings but SM2 beat SM3 domestic.

I agree 1 billion for a single movie is fantastic but the fact remains that is still only a 150 million more than spidey 3, a movie that you yourself admit got poor reviews.

[TheScarecrow]

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Well, you do know that the only scene we get of blood on someone, except for Spidey is Norman Osborn...so, "scary" scenes, but with no blood(even Harry's death had NO blood), can be seen as kiddish. The guy who made the Evil Dead movies made the movies more kiddish movie after movie. The scenes are meant to be frightful, but there was no blood, whatsoever, to make it still a KID's film series.

That's another reason why I only liked Spider-Man, and not the latter two: it felt like an adult directed the movie.

But I have said this over and over...and all I get is annoying Spidey fans thinking they were God's gifts in the form of entertainment....and that Sam Raimi was God's gift to Spidey fans.

There isn't a single drop of blood in Batman Begins or The Dark Knight, either. Are they kids movies too?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Spider-Man nor his villians are blood thirsty mass murdering maniacs Very true, but sometimes people seem to think that they are, though, not actually saying it. Overall, what they do is they complain about "there's not alot of blood. WE NEED MORE!!!", but if we can have 3 VERY successful films that alot of people love without blood, then why should people be screaming for more blood? Just how I feel.

[chaseter]

I stand corrected with SM3 it is indeed down to 61% last time I checked (about a year ago it was 70%)

SM3 beat SM2 worldwide takings but SM2 beat SM3 domestic.

I agree 1 billion for a single movie is fantastic but the fact remains that is still only a 150 million more than spidey 3, a movie that you yourself admit got poor reviews.
150 million can fund another movie. Most films don't even reach 150 million domestic. 150 million is a lot of money. A film that makes 500 million compared to 350 million isn't just off by a measley 150 million:o

[chaseter]

Very true, but sometimes people seem to think that they are, though, not actually saying it. Overall, what they do is they complain about "there's not alot of blood. WE NEED MORE!!!", but if we can have 3 VERY successful films that alot of people love without blood, then why should people be screaming for more blood? Just how I feel.
I thought the Ock hospital scene was terrifying and visceral and we didn't see one ounce of blood. You can do horror and be gruesome without blood. I mean we need to see Peter have a few scrapes, cuts, and bruises and the same goes for his villians but we don't need decapitations with blood squirting, someone slicing open someone's stomach, etc...

[Spider-ManHero12]

I thought the Ock hospital scene was terrifying and visceral and we didn't see one ounce of blood. You can do horror and be gruesome without blood. I mean we need to see Peter have a few scrapes, cuts, and bruises Agreed, but didn't we see Peter with cuts, scrapes, and bruises in the final battle of the first film?

[chaseter]

Yes but it wasn't over the top blood and gore. It worked and that is why I said we still need to see those scrapes and scratches because he isn't invincible.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Very true, and that's the limit for blood, IMO. Same for the scratches in S-M2. Anything more can be quite unnecessary.

[dark_b]

Agreed, but didn't we see Peter with cuts, scrapes, and bruises in the final battle of the first film?yeah in the first we did get that. and in the second movie the OCK scene in the hospital.

the 3rd? kid friendly action.

awesome............wicked cool :o

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ What about harry being impaled by his glider? A bomb exploding in Harry's face?

[Reikowolf]

^^ What about harry being impaled by his glider? A bomb exploding in Harry's face?

yeah but that was to the point of being slapstick with Harry

Flies into webline, smacks face
glider smacks temple during jazz fight
Goblin bomb to face
tripped by venom, flies face first into contruction
impaled on glider
falls down a few stories

poor guy

oh and on the topic:

These days, its DVD/blu-ray sales that become the deciding factor for a lot of these movies.

[Spider-ManHero12]

These days, its DVD/blu-ray sales that become the deciding factor for a lot of these movies. Yes, but box office money comes first, right?

[Reikowolf]

Yes, but box office money comes first, right?

yes, that goes without saying, but its not the deciding factor anymore.

Batman Begins is a good example.

Its box office determined a sequel but its DVD determined TDK budget as they expected a much higher return.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Speaking of DVD sales, weren't the DVD sales for S-M3 lower than the first 2 films?

[Reikowolf]

^^ Speaking of DVD sales, weren't the DVD sales for S-M3 lower than the first 2 films?

If that is true, then that will reflect on how much money Sony will spend on 4.

[Reikowolf]

www.the-numbers.com

Spider-Man
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $403,706,375
International Gross $418,002,176
Worldwide Gross $821,708,551
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $338,800,000
US VHS Sales: $89,200,000




Spider-Man 2
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $373,524,485
International Gross $410,180,516
Worldwide Gross $783,705,001
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $4,194,811


Spider-Man 3
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $336,530,303
International Gross $554,341,323
Worldwide Gross $890,871,626
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $123,880,961

[Reikowolf]

www.the-numbers.com

Spider-Man
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $403,706,375
International Gross $418,002,176
Worldwide Gross $821,708,551
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $338,800,000
US VHS Sales: $89,200,000




Spider-Man 2
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $373,524,485
International Gross $410,180,516
Worldwide Gross $783,705,001
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $4,194,811


Spider-Man 3
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $336,530,303
International Gross $554,341,323
Worldwide Gross $890,871,626
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $123,880,961


the home video numbers seem off no way SM2 only made 4Million

[thejon93]

www.the-numbers.com (http://www.the-numbers.com)

Spider-Man
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $403,706,375
International Gross $418,002,176
Worldwide Gross $821,708,551
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $338,800,000
US VHS Sales: $89,200,000




Spider-Man 2
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $373,524,485
International Gross $410,180,516
Worldwide Gross $783,705,001
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $4,194,811


Spider-Man 3
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $336,530,303
International Gross $554,341,323
Worldwide Gross $890,871,626
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $123,880,961
:facepalm

[LightningFlash]

^^ Speaking of DVD sales, weren't the DVD sales for S-M3 lower than the first 2 films?

Yes.

COMBINED.

People, or some people, are intelligent it seems.

[LightningFlash]

Don't like Spiderman 2? wow.......

Yep; never did like Spider-Man 2.

But, to each his own I assume. I like Thomas Jane as Punisher when a lot of people didn't.

Wait, so you're telling me that you only like fight/deaths in a comic film when there's blood? Specifically Spider-Man? That's just.....stupid. :huh:

People are too afraid to use blood. And it's stupid.

[Spider-ManHero12]

People are too afraid to use blood. And it's stupid......No, that's not true. It not necessary all the time.



Originally Posted by Reikowolf http://forums.superherohype.com/images/Drakon/SHHClassic/smallbuttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=16763543#post16763543)
www.the-numbers.com (http://www.the-numbers.com/)

Spider-Man
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $403,706,375
International Gross $418,002,176
Worldwide Gross $821,708,551
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $338,800,000
US VHS Sales: $89,200,000




Spider-Man 2
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $373,524,485
International Gross $410,180,516
Worldwide Gross $783,705,001
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $4,194,811



Spider-Man 3
Theatrical Performance
Total US Gross $336,530,303
International Gross $554,341,323
Worldwide Gross $890,871,626
Home Market Performance
US DVD Sales: $123,880,961
Well, it's good to know S-M3 grossed alot of DVd sales, but why the hell did S-M2 not gross that much in DVD sales?

[Reikowolf]

Those DVD numbers cant be right

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Is the website you got it from trust worthy?

[chaseter]

There is no way on this green Earth that SM2 only made 4 million on dvd/vhs sales. I call BS. I bet that doesn't count bluray or SM2.1 either. 4 million is way way way too low.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Agreed, I'm looking for the actual numbers right now. Give me a 'sec.

[thejon93]

^^ Agreed, I'm looking for the actual numbers right now. Give me a 'sec.
It's over. Give me numbers...
NnNoOoWwW~!~

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Sure thing! Well, according to some guy on here, the DVD grossed $11,723,000. I just don't know. Scroll down.
http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=60990

[D-Man22]

^I think you should call sony or one of those box office tracking sites and confirm this figure. Get to it man. We don't have all day.:oldrazz:
















































No but seriously get to it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ I can't find it. :csad:

[weezerspider]

Yep; never did like Spider-Man 2.

But, to each his own I assume. I like Thomas Jane as Punisher when a lot of people didn't.

I enjoyed Jane's Punisher quite a bit too.

Why does Spiderman need blood to be a good movie?

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Jane's Punisher rocked, though, I think that overall, Punisher: War Zone is the best Punisher film. Punisher (2004) is the best...well some great version of the Punisher, while War Zone is the best comic version. So overall, they are both great, but War Zone is more true to the comics. The Max comics, specifically.

[thejon93]

^^ Jane's Punisher rocked, though, I think that overall, Punisher: War Zone is the best Punisher film. Punisher (2004) is the best...well some great version of the Punisher, while War Zone is the best comic version. So overall, they are both great, but War Zone is more true to the comics. The Max comics, specifically.
"Great"... I wouldn't say about either. Both film's are extremely fun to watch and would be perfect Saturday night matinee movies(if they were still in theatres).

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Wait, are you saying the films are better than great?

[webhead731]

I like them. The new one is a fun movie, good action and a good story.

But I liked the 2004 one more. It was deeper, and Punisher was more menacing.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I thought that both really balanced the story greatly. IMO, War Zone deserved ALOOOOT more at the box office and it deserves a sequal. Maybe bring in Barracuda or something. The 2004 film deserved a sequel as well, IMO. Both films made me feel for the characters and understand what they are going through.

[webhead731]

I would have liked a sequel to 2004's as well.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Maybe one day we'll ge a sequel to War Zone. I just think the GA should have given the film a chance.

[D-Man22]

^Dude there are just some characters Marvel SHOULDN'T make into movies and Punisher is one of them. Marvel should stick to their more popular characters and don't bother with the rest IMO.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Hmmm, I have to disagree with you there. Punisher is, if you ask me, Marvel's most popular characters. No the most popular, but still known to people around the world.

[D-Man22]

^Known to fans around the world not ppl.

[Adrian89]

The Punisher from 2004 was a pretty good movie, but there are many marvel characters which shouldn't have be brough on screen.

And now they are in talks for a She Hulk Movie. Is that necesary? Give us a break!

[Chris Wallace]

^Dude there are just some characters Marvel SHOULDN'T make into movies and Punisher is one of them. Marvel should stick to their more popular characters and don't bother with the rest IMO.

Define "more popular". Would you have them follow WB/DC's pattern-make 6 Batman movies, 5 Superman movies & ignore everyone else? Marvel's first successful film, lest we forget, was BLADE-a character that, to this day, many people don't know was ever in a comic. The X-Men only really became popular after the 90's series. Everybody pretty much knows Spider-Man, X-Men & Hulk. Even Iron Man didn't have a real following amongst non-comic readers until the movie came out. How does a character get popular, anyway? By gaining exposure.

[LightningFlash]

I really liked The GOOD Punisher movie(Thomas Jane one), and I won't even bother watching War Zone.

I can bet they tried to make Jigsaw as twisted as Joker.

[Adrian89]

I really liked The GOOD Punisher movie(Thomas Jane one), and I won't even bother watching War Zone.
I didn't and won't bother watching War Zone either!;)

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Why?

[weezerspider]

Lets rename this topic: "This is where you talk about every comic movie other than Spiderman 4"lol TDK disccussion, Punisher discussion. lol

[D-Man22]

^And the funny thing is Spiderman can take both those characters with ease. :woot:

[LightningFlash]

I didn't and won't bother watching War Zone either!;)

Haha, awesome. Finally a smart person on this thread, lol.

^^ Why?

The trailers weren't interesting.
It looked like it should've been a direct-to-DVD movie.
He looked like Steven Segal.
Jane could kick that guy's ass.

^And the funny thing is Spiderman can take both those characters with ease. :woot:

Not true at all.

From those three choices, my list would be:

Batman
Punisher
Spider-Man

And that's because I'm much more interested with heroes that don't have powers. And they kick butt.

Spider-Man doesn't really even kick butt. He mostly gives lectures to the supposed "villains", lol. Well, in Raimi's version it's that way.

[D-Man22]

Hey, I take offense by that. But then again you may be right. :csad: He would still be able to neutralize Batman and Punisher quite easy in a fight though. Its like fighting 2 ninja's and spidey has fought more than 2 ninjas already and won. :up:

[webhead731]

^Dude there are just some characters Marvel SHOULDN'T make into movies and Punisher is one of them. Marvel should stick to their more popular characters and don't bother with the rest IMO.

:facepalm

Not true at all.

From those three choices, my list would be:

Batman
Punisher
Spider-Man

And that's because I'm much more interested with heroes that don't have powers. And they kick butt.

Spider-Man doesn't really even kick butt. He mostly gives lectures to the supposed "villains", lol. Well, in Raimi's version it's that way.

That's not true. ^
Spider-Man tore Goblin and Ock apart. He did quite a number on Sandman in the subway. He also beat Harry to a pulp. Go watch those movies again.:up:

I know people who think Batman could beat Spider-Man up in a fight. What a sad world we live in.

That's not even a fair fight.

[DarkReflections]

I thought that both really balanced the story greatly. IMO, War Zone deserved ALOOOOT more at the box office and it deserves a sequal. Maybe bring in Barracuda or something. The 2004 film deserved a sequel as well, IMO. Both films made me feel for the characters and understand what they are going through.

i agree. if there was a sequel for the 2004 film i think it should have been like the storyline for the 2005 game. i swear that game's storyline wouldve been a brilliant film as a tie in to the new movies being made by marvel studios. :yay:

[LightningFlash]

I know people who think Batman could beat Spider-Man up in a fight. That's not even a fair fight.

For Spider-Man.

Hey...Batman punched Superman before. I think he could take out a spider dude.

And you say I should watch the movies, and I would just like to say that I tried to watch Spider-Man 3 last night and I fell asleep during the Spider-Man Day Celebration scene.

It was a good nap though, haha.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Uhhh....Spider-Man would beat Batman. Whether you're a Batman fan or not, it's true.

[Jick09]

I really liked The GOOD Punisher movie(Thomas Jane one), and I won't even bother watching War Zone.
I watched War Zone and I liked it. It was fun.
But Punisher 2004 is miles greater. It's one of my favorite movies, actually.
I guess not being a Punisher fan helps a lot to like the movie even more.

[LightningFlash]

^^ Uhhh....Spider-Man would beat Batman. Whether you're a Batman fan or not, it's true.

Nope, my bet is still on Batman, and that's not me being biased.

Batman's quite an intelligent being, well-trained, and he has a freaking utility belt for everything, even spray to keep the sharks away from him.

Peter Parker is not trained, and only has great agility because of his powers. And powers doesn't mean squat...why? Because a giant crocodile can't do crap to Batman, nor a pumped-up steroid freak(yes, Bane broke his back, but he did not kill him...might've broken his spirit, but Bats rose back up).

That's just my opinion though. I think Batman could own Spider-Man.

And even if Spidey webbed Batman's hands before he could get to his utility belt, then Batman would have another idea already playing out itself.

[spider-neil]

spidey would clean batman's clock.

he is faster (by mile).
he is stronger (by a mile).
he is more agile. (by a mile).
he has greater dexterity.
has an early danger warning system.

of course people can bring up the infamous 'prep time' which has seen him take down superman:facepalm

in a proper fight with no prep time rubbish spidey beats batman. easily. when you think about it there is no aspect of combat batman has an advantage, even in regards to stelth because spidey could conceal himself better and could sense batman if he tried the same.

[NewYorkSpider]

Batman wouldn't be Spider-Man. Seriously people, that's common sense.

[Spider-ManHero12]

And that's because I'm much more interested with heroes that don't have powers. And they kick butt.

Spider-Man doesn't really even kick butt. He mostly gives lectures to the supposed "villains", lol. Well, in Raimi's version it's that way. :facepalm

[chaseter]

Lets face it, Spider-Man could not beat Adam West as Batman as Adam West:o He would have something in that utility belt that would best Spider-Man.

[webhead731]

Hey...Batman punched Superman before. I think he could take out a spider dude.

http://supermantv.net/wallpaperbattles/spiderman/spider-man.jpg

And you say I should watch the movies, and I would just like to say that I tried to watch Spider-Man 3 last night and I fell asleep during the Spider-Man Day Celebration scene.

It was a good nap though, haha.

How do you watch it? Do you own it? Rent it? I don't know about you, but if I absolutely hate a film, especially a boring one, I do NOT watch it again. What a waste of money and time.

Unless you secretly like it. -_-

[quote=LightningFlash;16772150]Nope, my bet is still on Batman, and that's not me being biased.

Batman's quite an intelligent being, well-trained, and he has a freaking utility belt for everything, even spray to keep the sharks away from him.

:facepalm:down

Peter Parker is not trained, and only has great agility because of his powers. And powers doesn't mean squat...why? Because a giant crocodile can't do crap to Batman, nor a pumped-up steroid freak(yes, Bane broke his back, but he did not kill him...might've broken his spirit, but Bats rose back up).

Spidey doesn't need training. He is fast, agile, practically a professional stunt man or gymnastic. Spider-Sense is all I have to say. Batarang? Spidey-Sense dodge. It's not that hard. Spider-Man can probably do some graphic things to people with no super strength or super durability.


And even if Spidey webbed Batman's hands before he could get to his utility belt, then Batman would have another idea already playing out itself.

Sure he would. :o

Lets face it, Spider-Man could not beat Adam West as Batman as Adam West:o He would have something in that utility belt that would best Spider-Man.

That's sadly true. :(

[Joker]

Jesus Christ, I can't believe the direction this thread has taken...

[webhead731]

Me neither.

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://supermantv.net/wallpaperbattles/spiderman/spider-man.jpg Exactly. Oh, what a great issue it was. :up:


Now can we please get back on topic?

[Sentinel X]

Guys lets be real....

Spidey and Superman would wipe the FLOOR with Batman...he doesn't stand a chance. I don't care what happened in the comics or some tv show you watched....if these heroes were real and alive Batman wouldn't realistically stand a chance against those two.

And btw, Peter Parker is a really smart guy too...he made webshooters, he works as a lab assistant and was valedictorian of his school, so?

-Yes, I know Im off topic...so save it please :o -

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Very true.

[chaseter]

Guys lets be real....

Spidey and Superman would wipe the FLOOR with Batman...he doesn't stand a chance. I don't care what happened in the comics or some tv show you watched....if these heroes were real and alive Batman wouldn't realistically stand a chance against those two.

And btw, Peter Parker is a really smart guy too...he made webshooters, he works as a lab assistant and was valedictorian of his school, so?

-Yes, I know Im off topic...so save it please :o -
Adam West would do it:brucebat:

[Joker]

Spidey wants to be as intimidating as Christian Bale's Batman:


http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9458/762727spideysawdarkknig.jpg


:oldrazz:

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ My god, that issue rocked! At the end of the issue, SPidey tries it on a thug, and the guy gets all scared, then Spdiey says "Wow, it actually workes." Lol, so funny.

[webhead731]

Spidey wants to be as intimidating as Christian Bale's Batman:


http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9458/762727spideysawdarkknig.jpg


:oldrazz:

:pal:

ily Spidey.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Btw, guys, that issue features the return of the Spot.

[Chris Wallace]

Spidey wants to be as intimidating as Christian Bale's Batman:


http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9458/762727spideysawdarkknig.jpg


:oldrazz:

:lmao:

[Spider-ManHero12]

LOL, when I read the issue, that hoenstly caught me by surprise. Couldn't stop laughing.

[spider-neil]

ha ha that's classic! what issue is that I may have to pick that up.
dropped spidey when BND started.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ ASM issue 589 or 590. Sort of forgot.

[LightningFlash]

if these heroes were real and alive Batman wouldn't realistically stand a chance against those two.

But they can't be real?????

And I still say Batman.

I'm not a nerd or whatever, but Batman is a badass.

Spider-Man and Superman are pussies, and especially when it comes to them being in movies.

[weezerspider]

This is ridiculous if they were living in the real world they'd all be killed extremely easily. I'll give Superman kryptanite and shoot Batman Spiderman and Punisher in the head! God this is ridiculous.

[Adrian89]

Sure it is. You'd shoot them. Brilliant. Just like that. And they will simply stand there for you to take the shot. Can you even aim? wow!

This forum is hilarious sometimes.:oldrazz:

[Spider-ManHero12]

But they can't be real?????

And I still say Batman.

I'm not a nerd or whatever, but Batman is a badass.

Spider-Man and Superman are pussies, and especially when it comes to them being in movies. Soooooo........Just becuase you think Batman is badass, that means he can kick the crap out of Spidey? Bottom line, and this is fact, Spider-Man and Superman would tear Batman's head off. If anybody and I mean anybody does not admit this, and that even includes Bat fans, then they are ignorant to the actual characters and their universe.

[LightningFlash]

Seeing as how that's MY opinion, I don't see how I created such an argument over it.

It's what I think.

No need for multiple pages on this.

Now move on.

And I could also care less about the character's "universes".

Just plan and simple, I think Batman is awesome, and Iron Man is awesome, and never liked superheroes with powers. So that is why I say that, because I'm just more of a fan of people who don't need powers.

I don't need "logic" when it comes to this, if I say something, that I will still say that. My opinion, not yours. And the fact that people keep replying to my post just makes me laugh because it's so sad when they're trying to say "Nu-uh, that's not true...if they were real, Batman would die."

Well if they were real, the US Military would try to kill Superman because he's an alien because we're not big fans of aliens, and even illegal aliens for that matter.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ What you're saying is that Batman would kick the ass of other way stronger characters. it's a fact that that's not true, but whatever. Let's move on. I'm not trying to be mean or anything.

[LightningFlash]

I understand your point, but we are talking about FAKE characters though.

An argument over something that's fake is as bad as having people still complain over the Super Bowl.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ We're comic nerds, we need to discuss this, lol.

[dark_b]

^^ We're comic nerds, we need to discuss this, lol.this is who we are..........what we do :oldrazz::hehe:

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ lol. :up:

[SpaceWay2009]

Well, I was about to comment on the Spider-Man vs Batman topic, but I guess we're moving on.

Anyway, I like to comment on that screen shot of Spider-Man trying to be like Bale. That was pretty funny. Was that from Ultimate Spider-Man? And I wonder if the creators needed permission to include Bale in that comic issue.

[Sentinel X]

^^ We're comic nerds, we need to discuss this, lol.seriously, hehe, this is SUPERHEROHYPE, what did you expect?

Spider-man an superman would still win though :ninja:

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Indeed. :cwink::up:

[LightningFlash]

Okay children.

[Joker]

I approve of your sig, Lightning.

Batman completes ME! :hoboj: ;)

[Demogoblin]

Guys, keep it on topic, mmmmmkay?

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Sure thing!

[LarryLegend]

Spider-Man 4 will make a fair bit of money but it won't come close to the first film. Based on the diminishing box office of parts 2 and 3, I think 4 will be lucky to break 300 million.

[Sentinel X]

Okay children.Yes, adult. :dry:




Anyhow, yeah back on topic. This movie is going to make A LOT of money. It will probably make more than 300 million.
**Waits so someone else can say "Yeah!!! SM4 is gonna make a lot of money!! yeah" **

.....btw I think this is a great topic!!

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think Spider-Man 4's box office grossings will exceed everyone's expectations, honestly.

[chaseter]

If it is a good film then it will make bank.

[dark_b]

spiderman was so big that even if the franshcise lost a lot of people it will still make a lot of money. but i dont think it will be the same like 3.

[SpeterMan3]

I think Spider-Man 4's box office grossings will exceed everyone's expectations, honestly.
Except mine. Mine are ridiculously, unapproachably high.

[Chris Wallace]

Except mine. Mine are ridiculously, unapproachably high.

Mine are slightly shy of that.

[Jick09]

In my opinion, it all depends on the marketing, actually.
If it is big enough, it'll bring on a lot of people.
If the movie is good, it'll keep people coming.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Well, I expect the marketing to go through the roof. Look at the marketing for S-M3. :up:

[Chris Wallace]

I still see SM3 merchandise.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Me, too! It's crazy, but it's still great to know it's still out there.

[LightningFlash]

You still see it because no one wants to buy it, haha.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ *sigh*

Anyway, do you guys think this film will gross more than the first 3?

[LightningFlash]

Oh why oh why do Spidey fans *sigh* at my posts?

Lol.

[Chris Wallace]

You know the answer to that one already.

[Chris Wallace]

^^ *sigh*

Anyway, do you guys think this film will gross more than the first 3?

That will depend on a lot of factors, but it's possible.

[snakeinthegear]

Spider-Man will always make money no matter how bad the movie turns out. Under normal circumstances, a studio's priority is to make money, the movie being of good quality is secondary. In that sense, Sony have more than met their expectations. That being said, I think the studio's priority is to focus more on delivering a quality film, which I'm sure it will do as, wit th the time being spent on sm4, there's no way it can be as bad or worse than sm3. Like I said, the film is guaranteed to make money but making epic proportions shouldn't be the primary concern. The studio needs to reignite faith and confidence from the audiences again by giving us a great movie.
As for marketing sm4, lol, it's not even an issue. Sony will market the living daylights out of spider-man as they've always done. Also, with a 4 year gap that should also add to the hype but the only flipside is, I think sony may hae to go the extra mile with marketing and of course putting out an awesome film because the competition in the summer of 2011 is gonna be aggressive.

[Chris Wallace]

Truth be told, there's no reason I can see to even acknowledge the events of 3. They can just move forward from here. Like I've said in other threads, they can maintain the dynamic of Peter & MJ working on their relationship-but have them really, truly work on their relationship. They need to be partners. They need to support each other. He has to have a reason to wanna come home to her after nearly getting his ass handed to him by some maniac. She needs a reason to listen to him when he talks about it. They're too old to be like "We're dating. Now what?"

[chaseter]

Yeap...2011 is going to be overloaded but SM4 will still do fine. I agree that not SM3 opening great but it if is a good film then it should have good legs with the fans.

[chaseter]

Truth be told, there's no reason I can see to even acknowledge the events of 3. They can just move forward from here. Like I've said in other threads, they can maintain the dynamic of Peter & MJ working on their relationship-but have them really, truly work on their relationship. They need to be partners. They need to support each other. He has to have a reason to wanna come home to her after nearly getting his ass handed to him by some maniac. She needs a reason to listen to him when he talks about it. They're too old to be like "We're dating. Now what?"
I have yet to see Peter come home and MJ nurse his wounds and they talk about the day events:csad:

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

I have yet to see Peter come home and MJ nurse his wounds and they talk about the day events:csad:

I'm all for that.