The Anti-"Ultimates=Perfect Avengers movie" discussion thread

[Jordacar]

I enoyed THE ULTIMATES and all, it's way different from anything else out there, etc., but IMO despite Millar and Hitch's big-budget blockbuster approach to it, it should not be used as the basis for the Avengers movie. Maybe just a little, but not as the primary source.

Since I get the sense I'm not the only one who feels this way, I figured it would be a good idea to get people talking about it.

[WillardNation]

Totally agree. I think they need to stick to 616 as closely as possible.

[Kirk 1701]

I enoyed THE ULTIMATES and all, it's way different from anything else out there, etc., but IMO despite Millar and Hitch's big-budget blockbuster approach to it, it should not be used as the basis for the Avengers movie. Maybe just a little, but not as the primary source.

Since I get the sense I'm not the only one who feels this way, I figured it would be a good idea to get people talking about it.

Marvel Entertainment needs to do away with The Ultimate Universe and focus all their movies on Eath-616.


:bh::bh::bh::bh:

[irapogi]

Marvel Entertainment needs to do away with The Ultimate Universe and focus all their movies on Eath-616.


:bh::bh::bh::bh:

why was i not suprised to see you here?, hehe but really
i mean 616 sure BUT you cant deny ultimates altogether.

some say balance while others want a lean to one side, imo pure 616 wont translate well on screen. thats where small ultimates nods could come in. btw sorry if the formatting might be ugly im replying thru my ps3

[Kirk 1701]

why was i not surprised to see you here?, he he but really
i mean 616 sure BUT you cant deny ultimates altogether.

some say balance while others want a lean to one side, imo pure 616 wont translate well on screen. thats where small ultimates nods could come in. btw sorry if the formatting might be ugly I'm replying thru my ps3


You may have a point , but I grew up reading about the heroes from Earth-616. I'm not gone to cave in, when it comes to the Ultimate Universe. I'm not a PC man and if people can't handle it. That's their problem.



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[irapogi]

You may have a point , but I grew up reading about the heroes from Earth-616. I'm not gone to cave in, when it comes to the Ultimate Universe. I'm not a PC man and if people can't handle it. That's their problem.



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peace brudda
agree to disagree then? it's a gentleman's agreement
*shakes hand*
huzzah!

but yeah, my point is basically, i agree with the op/tc/jordacar
that it's annoying when people want a direct translation from the ultimates
it DID start with the 616 after all, but i think ironman and tih proved that elements from both (more from 616) can still work.

I completely agree, ultimates=/=best possible movie, but at the same time, we can't deny the ultimates' existence altogether.
*bow*

[WillardNation]

^^agreed

[The Guard]

I like classic Avengers as much as the next fan, but it seems pretty obvious they're trending toward The Ultimates version of the characters, at least in terms of the formation of the team, etc.

[3dman27]

Marvel Entertainment needs to do away with The Ultimate Universe and focus all their movies on Eath-616.


:bh::bh::bh::bh:amen to that

[louiebling$]

yea what IM and TIH felt like they were goin with 616 with a Dash of ULT which works really well and i wont have a problem with that at all as long as its just a Dash :o

[Daredevil_2003]

Ya know, I'm all for more 616 in most franchises, but with Avengers I just loved Ultimates 1 and 2 so much I'd be dissapointed if they didn't draw heavily from it. There's things about it I don't like, especially concerning Banner/Hulk (perverted, bloodthirsty Hulk? Wut?) and Betty Ross (was she ever that much of a c-word before?) but overall it's my favorite versions of most of those characters. Kind of a moot point as from the little we've gotten from IM and TIH it seems like they'll be drawing heavily from it, anyway.

[[A]]

this is a question for the experts: how many things from the Ultimate universe have they used already..?

[Daredevil_2003]

I'd have to rewatch both movies again but off the top of my head Nick Fury is kind of obvious. Also, Banner and Hulk being connected to the ressurection of the super soldier program (albeit without his knowledge, unlike the actual ultimate comics). Those would be the biggest two I can think of.

[Nathan]

As long as the characters have their 616 personalities and looks, I won't really mind. I think a mix of 616 and Ultimate works well.

[[A]]

but personalities and looks are everything.. or is there something else ?

[Sawyer]

While I dont think a straight-up adaptation of The Ultimates would work, I think there are definitely certain elements of the story that could be put to good use in the Avengers movie.

For one, Captain America's Ultimate costume >>>>>> Cap's 616 costume

[EnSabahNur]

Thor should look Ultimate though, he'll look retarded in his popular 616 costume on screen.

[TheVileOne]

I don't mind certain elements or updates similar to the Ultimates. Just remember that Ultimate Avengers, the animated movies shared very little in common with the actual Ultimates comics.

However, I'm still mystified when people like Zak Penn say something like there's nothing funny silly or campy about The Ultimates.

Iron Man seemed to take very little to nothing from the Ultimate-verse besides Ultimate Fury.

[3dman27]

I don't mind certain elements or updates similar to the Ultimates. Just remember that Ultimate Avengers, the animated movies shared very little in common with the actual Ultimates comics.

However, I'm still mystified when people like Zak Penn say something like there's nothing funny silly or campy about The Ultimates.

Iron Man seemed to take very little to nothing from the Ultimate-verse besides Ultimate Fury.

nick fury wasn't in the im animated movie it was a feild agent that tried to arrest him on mai li's manufactured evidence

[Daredevil_2003]

I think he was referring to the live-action Iron Man.

[Ipodman]

I dont mind if they use one costume in their solo movies, and the alt. costume in the crossover film...

[TheVileOne]

I was referring to live action Iron Man, not animated Iron Man.

The animated Iron Man movie was also totally seprate from ultimate Avengers.

[Jerkofwonder]

I think the only things that should be more like Ultimate are Captain America and the formation of the team through shield, under Nick Fury.

[kedrell]

I say, if the Ultimates have a good idea that works best then use that. If the 616 has a good idea that works best then use that instead. If it's a toss up between them then always err on the side of the 616 since it's got the larger history and fan-base. Pretty simple.

[TheVileOne]

There's very little that works best from Ultimates.

[Infinity9999x]

;16744168']but personalities and looks are everything.. or is there something else ?

Personalities are by far what I consider to be the most important piece of adapting material. And this is why I think that a mix of the Ultimates and 616 can work, because, for the most part the characters are the same in terms of personality. The bigger exceptions being Betty and Hulk--but since personality wise, they've been portrayed the way their 616 counterparts are in terms of characterization, that should be fine.

What the Ultimates did was set up a more cinematic way of showing the Avengers to come together, the formation of the team, the trials of all those personalities stuck together...ect, and did it in a more...realistic way I guess I would put it. I know I would definitely like to see an adaptation of the first two Volumes of the Ultimates, with a heavy influence from 616 of course.

[TheVileOne]

The personalities aren't the same at all.

[scatterax]

The personalities aren't the same at all.

I'm not all that familiar w/ the ultimates. Would you care to elaborate on the differences?

[TheVileOne]

After Hulk/Bruce Banner was defeated. Captain America kicked him in the face after Banner was already beaten. Not really something Cap would do. He also rebounded with Jan after Hank beat her half to death and fed her to some ants.

[Keyser Soze]

Thor should look Ultimate though, he'll look retarded in his popular 616 costume on screen.

Ugh, no thanks. I don't want Thor just looking like some generic strongman. He needs his cape, and his helmet, the classic, iconic look. And Coipel's recent redesign of his costume - giving it more of a Nordic, chainmail-based look - wouldn't look stupid on screen.