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protocida
04-19-2009, 11:09 AM
Hal Jordan alredy had three origins on the Comics. And, in two of them, Abin Sur's spaceship crash was caused by a enemy, who became Hal's first foe. In "Emerald Dawn", it was Legion, and, in "Secret Origins", it was Atrocitus. I know Legion is going to be in the movie, but I think those quizes are very interesting, so, I'll ask:

Who should be in Green Lantern: Legion or Atrocitus?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/13/LegionGreenLantern.png

or

http://images.wizarduniverse.com/WizardUniverse/Previews/PREV423/greenlanterncorps1.jpg

Your call! :up:

Keyser Soze
04-19-2009, 04:35 PM
Atrocitus is a great character, who I like more than Legion. But that's the problem. Atrocitus is a character. I don't think the script has room to develop another rounded antagonist. Legion works because its essentially just a big, mute, scary-looking plot device.

Lobo
04-19-2009, 08:37 PM
^Basically why i voted for Legion.

The Geek Vault
04-19-2009, 10:46 PM
This one is hard because using Atrocitus would allow for Red Lanterns which would be great! so I'm voting A

dnno1
04-20-2009, 11:57 AM
Atrocitus is a great character, who I like more than Legion. But that's the problem. Atrocitus is a character. I don't think the script has room to develop another rounded antagonist. Legion works because its essentially just a big, mute, scary-looking plot device.

I was going to say that the original storyline had Legion as the cause of Abin Sur's demise. Atrocitus was written in as a secret origin. The downside being that not enough people are very familiar with that character unless they had been continuously reading the comic from volume 2 to now (volume 4). Hence, more people will be familiar with the the Legion origin.

^Basically why i voted for Legion.

Me too.

This one is hard because using Atrocitus would allow for Red Lanterns which would be great! so I'm voting A

This doesn't mean that they couldnt have an event in the film that would leave a subtile clue to a futher sequel where Atrocitus would make an appearance (ala Zod and "Superman: The Movie"). That could be easily written into the script.

Changeling
04-20-2009, 06:31 PM
I voted for Atroticus cuz hes cooler. But for the first movie, I want Legion. Atroticus should def be in it eventually though.

Webhead2006
04-20-2009, 11:13 PM
yea they can always leave hints towards that atrocitus character to be seen down the road.

Octoberist
04-21-2009, 02:24 AM
i think Atrocitius would be better. Legion is not even a 'character' per say in the script. He is a force of chaos but it also lacks a persona.

protocida
04-21-2009, 12:15 PM
Legion's problem is that he's got a great backstory, but the writers didn't used it, and, instead, put him in the Manhunters place as the Guardian's first attempt to protect the Universe. He's great, but could have more depth.

Webhead2006
04-21-2009, 01:50 PM
well maybe the future rewrites might have added some more depth to the character.

protocida
04-21-2009, 01:57 PM
I hope so, but I doubt it.

Changeling
04-21-2009, 03:22 PM
Yeah. I doubt it too. They just wanted a big mindless and personality-less (Is that even a word?) character, and didnt really need to be uber faithful to source material

protocida
04-21-2009, 03:25 PM
With that, they not only misused Legion, but also made the Manhunters highly unlikely to appear. :csad:

Changeling
04-21-2009, 03:26 PM
Man, if they replaced Legion with the Manhunters, and gave them a personality, that would be the PERFECT first GL movie, IMO.

Changeling
04-21-2009, 03:26 PM
Proto, you should make a thread called "Legion or Manhunters" :D

protocida
04-21-2009, 03:33 PM
:hehe:

I'm more inclined to a Legion thread.

dnno1
04-21-2009, 04:08 PM
Man, if they replaced Legion with the Manhunters, and gave them a personality, that would be the PERFECT first GL movie, IMO.

Manhunters could happen in a second film or even in a TV series with the GLC (if that were ever to happen).

Changeling
04-21-2009, 04:12 PM
No, not really. Legion basically cancels any chance of us getting Manhunters 'cuz they have the same exact origin. If we had Manhunters, itd be super repetitive.

protocida
04-21-2009, 04:34 PM
Manhunters could happen in a second film or even in a TV series with the GLC (if that were ever to happen).
Not really. They placed Legion in the Manhunter's role.

Webhead2006
04-21-2009, 08:29 PM
well they can always alter manhunters story a little bit.

Changeling
04-22-2009, 03:10 PM
But they wouldnt really be Manhunters. They're pretty friggin integral to the GL mythos, and if they hugely altered their stories, it wouldnt feel right. With Legion, he's not as integral, so they can change him around.

protocida
04-22-2009, 05:03 PM
well they can always alter manhunters story a little bit.
The Manhunters main background is that they're the Guardians first attempt at a intergalactic police force. With Legion, they'd become repetitive, which would be a shame.

dnno1
04-22-2009, 06:50 PM
Not really. They placed Legion in the Manhunter's role.

So you are trying to say that the Guardians created Legion? For that matter, he or the manhunters weren't the only things that they created over the last 3 billion years you know.

protocida
04-22-2009, 07:04 PM
So you are trying to say that the Guardians created Legion?
In the movie, before they used the green light of willpower, the Guardians tried to protect the Universe using the yellow light of fear, which ressulted in Legion.

For that matter, he or the manhunters weren't the only things that they created over the last 3 billion years you know.
:huh:

The Guard
04-22-2009, 08:39 PM
Legion. What's so great about Atrocitus? Even his name is lame.

protocida
04-22-2009, 10:07 PM
Legion. What's so great about Atrocitus? Even his name is lame.
He's got a great look, a cool power, a fine caracheterization, and he's utterly EVIL.

Changeling
04-23-2009, 03:09 PM
Yeah, he's pretty much a badass.

The Guard
04-23-2009, 08:30 PM
In what sense? Only time I've seen him is SECRET ORIGINS, and he was pretty forgettable there.

CLARKY
04-24-2009, 04:58 AM
Maybe because it was the very beginning of his introduction. Think of it as Legion, when he was just bugs of a planet. Can be boring too in a sense.

To reply to this thread : Personnally I do not like the fact that Abin Sur was afraid and that is why he landed on earth. The alan Moore story does not please me at all, but then again, it was pretty stupid originally, to make Abin crash while wearing a ring. duh. When I was young I just thought his ring was empty. No more juice.
Since it is the cannon now, I have to deal with it. So I think Legion is fine but then the film would have to extend a bit about him and if it is Atrocitus, here again, they will need to flesh him out a bit. I prefer the Atrocitus story because he ejected himself before Abin Sur entered the sky of earth and it can be shown briefly without focusing on it. I think of it like ... seeing the silhouette of Captain America in Hulk. You can briefly see a red alien body being thrown with pieces of metal of the ship without explaining. And keep the door open for a Red Lantern thing later. So I voted Atrocitus.

But in my opinion, what my personnal view is, I'll go the cartoon road : Sinestro is guilty for the crash of Abin Sur.
Like, Abin Sur discovered the dictator that Sinestro is, they have fought, Abin's ring is empty, flew with a Korugarian ship, landed on earth. It keep things around Sinestro. I prefer this way, IMO.

protocida
04-24-2009, 12:03 PM
But them Sinestro wouldn't be Hal's mentor, which would take a good part of the dramacity of his downfall.

Changeling
04-24-2009, 03:41 PM
Yeah, and the transformation would be pretty underwhelming.

protocida
04-24-2009, 04:20 PM
Personnally, I do not like the fact that Abin Sur was afraid and that is why he landed on earth.
And it wasn't.

Atrocitus instiled fear in Abin's heart for a second, tauting him about the Blackest Night. That was enough to weak the bars that we're holding Atrocitus, setting him free, advantage he used to severally wound Abin, forcing him to crash land on Earth and find a sucessor.

greenlantern248
04-24-2009, 04:31 PM
I voted for Legion only to really go into some detail about the Yellow weakness and because he pretty much was the first villian Hal fought when he became GL (not counting Geoff John's revamp)

I would rather see Atrocitus involved so that later on in the squels you can introduce the other Lantern colors, but I also feel that might be to confusing to the GA.

protocida
04-24-2009, 04:44 PM
I don't think it will.

And I'd be happy with either, but, with Atrocitus, it could be presented the prophecy that connects all the characters of GL's universe, which would DEFINETILY make it more than just "a superhero movie".

TheVileOne
04-25-2009, 02:01 AM
All about Atrocitus.

I don't like Legion being a plot device without a character or personality.

And Atrocitus is awesome.

What has he done? HE ****ING STARTED THE RED LANTERN CORP! He made Hal a RED LANTERN!

protocida
04-25-2009, 10:58 AM
He made Hal a RED LANTERN!
Wasn't that Sinestro? :hehe:

dnno1
04-25-2009, 11:06 AM
Wasn't that Sinestro? :hehe:

I know you kid but for the record, Attrocitus was the one who actually mad Hal become an RL. He was the one who figured out that you had to take away the presence of a GL inorder to negate the power of a BL (sorry for the abreviations).

protocida
04-25-2009, 12:49 PM
I know. :)

Chris B
04-26-2009, 11:39 AM
Sorry if this is a little bit off-topic, but I was wondering about something. Between the two, which take on Hal's origin is the better read: Emerald Dawn or Secret Origins?

protocida
04-26-2009, 01:24 PM
Secret Origins.

Emerald Dawn was good, but Hal getting a very... erm... "invasive" cavity search is just not right.

The Guard
04-26-2009, 10:14 PM
Maybe because it was the very beginning of his introduction. Think of it as Legion, when he was just bugs of a planet. Can be boring too in a sense.

"Just bugs of a planet" is simplifying Legion's presentation something fierce.

What's so interesting about Atrocitus, even later on?

protocida
04-26-2009, 10:17 PM
"Just bugs of a planet" is simplifying Legion's presentation something fierce.

What's so interesting about Atrocitus, even later on?
Atrocitus's background is fantastic, he's got a great power (The red ring is one of the most interesting from all), he's really evil, he's scary as hell and he's badass.

CLARKY
04-27-2009, 05:39 AM
"Just bugs of a planet" is simplifying Legion's presentation something fierce.
What's so interesting about Atrocitus, even later on?
Well ... ??? ... Come on TheGuard ... Red Lantern ... :confused: Don't you know it ? Or don't you like it ? I think the leader of the Red Lantern is a pretty good character with a very visible potential.
I do not think I over-simplified what Legion was at the beginning. Nor just simplified. I was just trying to tell you that one could consider Legion as boring too. You said the only time you saw him was in secret origin. His role was not expanded there. Have you seen him kill the 4 inversions ? Or bath in the blood and make the red ring out of Rage ? Pretty good stuff. I was not saying Legion is bad, I was trying to show you Atrocitus is great. That's all.
And it wasn't.
Atrocitus instiled fear in Abin's heart for a second, tauting him about the Blackest Night. That was enough to weak the bars that we're holding Atrocitus, setting him free, advantage he used to severally wound Abin, forcing him to crash land on Earth and find a sucessor.
I'm not sure about that. And I was more talking about the Alan Moore story. The Empire of Tears instilled fear in Abin Sur, that's why he did not use the ring and relied on a spaceship. That, I dislike. as I said before, I would prefer Sinestro to be the origin of the crash.
But them Sinestro wouldn't be Hal's mentor, which would take a good part of the dramacity of his downfall.
Why ? I do not see what you mean. Sinestro could be his mentor anyway. he does not change anything.

protocida
04-27-2009, 11:43 AM
Hal and Sinestro's relationship needs time to develop. Making him the villain (and the murderer of Abin Sur) just takes away of that.

And "Tigers" is great. Abin wasn't AFRAID. He was worried. Paranoic.

Chris B
04-28-2009, 05:13 PM
Secret Origins.

Emerald Dawn was good, but Hal getting a very... erm... "invasive" cavity search is just not right.

Thanks for answering. I was leaning towards picking up 'Secret Origins' between the twp because it sounds as though it sets up a lot of the plot points going on in the current books. And its nice to know that there's a preference for it.

The Guard
04-29-2009, 12:40 AM
I'm sorry...but in the DC Universe "Really evil and badass" just doesn't cut it as far as interesting goes for me. I mean, it's cool and all, but...

He has the power of rage. Ok. And that's supposed to be this big, impressive character trait?

Wow. A villain who is powered by rage and evil and revenge.

While he has his place, he just strikes me as more of a really contrived plot device that is somewhat derivative of the Legion concept than anything else. Whereas Legion at least fits into the whole scheme of The Guardians and the good/evil of their actions in terms of the Guardians impact on the entire universe, Atrocitus was clearly a contrived version of the same plot device. Oh, he happened to survive the Manhunters? Convenient.

I don't know...just never thrilled with him.

Changeling
04-29-2009, 03:37 PM
TO each his own.

CLARKY
04-30-2009, 08:19 AM
I'm sorry...but in the DC Universe "Really evil and badass" just doesn't cut it as far as interesting goes for me. I mean, it's cool and all, but...
He has the power of rage. Ok. And that's supposed to be this big, impressive character trait?
Wow. A villain who is powered by rage and evil and revenge.
While he has his place, he just strikes me as more of a really contrived plot device that is somewhat derivative of the Legion concept than anything else. Whereas Legion at least fits into the whole scheme of The Guardians and the good/evil of their actions in terms of the Guardians impact on the entire universe, Atrocitus was clearly a contrived version of the same plot device. Oh, he happened to survive the Manhunters? Convenient.
I don't know...just never thrilled with him.
I understand what you think now but it is not only "powered by rage", he "see" events of the future, it seems that he is quite strong and he IS rage. He is the leader and build the first red corps of history himself. I like it. But to be honest, I like more his potential than his actual actions. Rage of the Red Lantern was really deceiving for me. And In the end, Atrocitus is just a wild dog. So I think I understand why you think that way of him. For now I focus on the whole mystic of the character and the conception of the red.
He is really evil. but I don't understand how it does not fit in the DC universe ? what do you mean ?
About the derivative of the Legion story, I did not feel that way about Atrocitus specifically but I had the same impression when I saw the guardians attitude .. I thought it could be the wrong guardians. You know, like in the story (never published) where Hal become the Protector ? So maybe G.Johns will eventually find a way to incorporate the Legion character ? :/

The Guard
04-30-2009, 01:58 PM
I'm not saying he doesn't fit in the DC Universe at all. I'm saying there are so many characters who are just pure rage and evil throughout the years in DC Comics that one more just doesn't impress me that much. He kind of comes across as a red White Martian, or the kind of character that filled Dr. Fate stories for years.

Character motivations interest me. A laundry list of powers do not, beyond their surface appeal.

I'm not saying he isn't kind of cool. He's just not that interesting overall.

protocida
04-30-2009, 02:06 PM
Legion wasn't that much developed also. His backstory is good, as is Atrocitus backstory, but he was a normal villain (But he was really cool).