Concerns About Transformers: ROTF

[Conebone69]

I think I may have made a thread like this a while back but thats long gone. Does anyone have any concerns about this movie? By the trailers and scenes it deffinetly looks epic in every way. The other thing that still bothers me slighty is arcee. I just dont like the idea of a girl transformer. And dont ***** at me and say, "well she was in teh CARTOON show!!!" Im just sharing my opinion.

[CELTICPRED]

The twins

That's about it. The rest I can put up with I guess.

[Conebone69]

The twins

That's about it. The rest I can put up with I guess.
Whats wrong with the twins?

[CELTICPRED]

The humor that will be packaged with them. like Bay has said, good for kids.

I'm hoping one of them is killed.

[Conebone69]

The humor that will be packaged with them. like Bay has said, good for kids.

I'm hoping one of them is killed.
Ah, there going to be funny? I can see it being hella cheesy now

[lars573]

I think I may have made a thread like this a while back but thats long gone. Does anyone have any concerns about this movie? By the trailers and scenes it deffinetly looks epic in every way. The other thing that still bothers me slighty is arcee. I just dont like the idea of a girl transformer. And dont ***** at me and say, "well she was in teh CARTOON show!!!" Im just sharing my opinion.
You act like Arcee was the only one there was. The she-bot blue motor bike is Chromia (seem on the packaging). I'm actually interested in how gender is explained. My only concern is nerdrage over any "red-shirt" back ground characters being given names like Mirage/Hound/Overdrive.

[Conebone69]

You act like Arcee was the only one there was. The she-bot blue motor bike is Chromia (seem on the packaging). I'm actually interested in how gender is explained. My only concern is nerdrage over any "red-shirt" back ground characters being given names like Mirage/Hound/Overdrive.
Theres another girl transformer in the movie?!

[lars573]

3 or 4. They're are 3 bike formers, all she-bots. Two as of now (in the ROTF prequel) are named Arcee and Chromia, the third sister-bot is un-named. And they might combine into a giant she-bot.

Here's a review of Chromia's toy.
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[Conebone69]

3 or 4. They're are 3 bike formers, all she-bots. Two as of now (in the ROTF prequel) are named Arcee and Chromia, the third sister-bot is un-named. And they might combine into a giant she-bot.

Here's a review of Chromia's toy.
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That'll be great... not

[d.k.]

the twins i can tell are gonna be really annoying, other than that i dont have any complaints

[lars573]

That'll be great... not
IF they hadn't included she-bots the movie-verse would have been the second not to include them.

[SPider-T0rch]

i'm a little worried about most of the new autobots (except Sideswipe). They all seem like they're just gonna be cannon fodder and nothing more.

[Venom160]

The Retard twinsThere fixed that for ya.

Whats wrong with the twins?They're the embodiment of TFA: crappy designs, forced humor, annoying in large doses. Obviously Hasbro forced Bay into adding acouple kid friendly bots. I know I'm pissing off alot of fans but TFA makes me miss the good old days of Beast Wars & Beast Machines. Hell it even makes me miss RiD.

[Jake Cassidy]

I think I may have made a thread like this a while back but thats long gone. Does anyone have any concerns about this movie? By the trailers and scenes it deffinetly looks epic in every way. The other thing that still bothers me slighty is arcee. I just dont like the idea of a girl transformer. And dont ***** at me and say, "well she was in teh CARTOON show!!!" Im just sharing my opinion.

What's wrong? Don't you like girls? :oldrazz:

[sauronthegreat]

My concern is Barricade's involvement in this one, since he escaped in the first film, or rather in the cut that came out. And that is concerning continuity issues, also with the name Devastator... how will they explain that combined constructicons are named Devastator when it was a tank in the first film. Or maybe there is an extended edition of the first Transformers coming out.

[Avangarde]

What's wrong? Don't you like girls? :oldrazz:

Their "bits and pieces" smell like fish sauce, plus they could get in the way of Ironhide and Ratchets Bromance.

:down

[dark_b]

i think i will like the twins. they will act like little kids.

[Chris B]

My main three are pretty much:

-the story once again being overly human-centric

-the overall lack of G1-inspired characters on both sides

-Bay giving Frank Welker the shaft again and not voicing Soundwave

[DemonicFoil]

Yeah, really wish they would of made jetfire more recognizable like closer to G1, im still having trouble digesting bayformers.

[Crazy Flakes]

I just hope that the robots get plenty of screen time because I don't like Shia or Megan. And more Baysplosions and fight scenes if that's even possible! :woot:

[DemonicFoil]

Agreed, less Shia and Megan and more robots :yay:

[lars573]

Yeah, really wish they would of made jetfire more recognizable like closer to G1, im still having trouble digesting bayformers.
The only way to do that would have been to make him white. And there are no white SR-71's. Macross Valkyries were made up. Based some what on F-14's.

[Conebone69]

I also hope this movie has a decent plot, and doesnt just consist of action. Which I think they will nail both

[Jake Cassidy]

You can really tell who the true TF fans are. They're the ones who'd rather look at the robots than Megan Fox. :oldrazz: :grin:

[Conebone69]

You can really tell who the true TF fans are. They're the ones who'd rather look at the robots than Megan Fox. :oldrazz: :grin:
No, thats how you can tell who the true nerds are...

[lars573]

You can really tell who the true TF fans are. They're the ones who'd rather look at the robots than Megan Fox. :oldrazz: :grin:
She's just not that attractive/my type.

[Ahura Mazda]

I just hope the Autobots win or lose the day and not that the humans are the ones who win it for them.

I agree that it is extremely lobsided on paper. I at least wish they had made Optimus equal to Megatron which he clearly was not.

[Geekgirl]

I just hope the Autobots win or lose the day and not that the humans are the ones who win it for them.

I agree that it is extremely lobsided on paper. I at least wish they had made Optimus equal to Megatron which he clearly was not.


I agree. If I have to listen to my step-father complaining that Optimus Prime is always late and is a wimp in this movie, I will never let him watch another movie again. They had better have Optimus doing some serious fighting and serious damage against Megatron and/or the Fallen. The humans can help, but this is supposed to be a movie about giant shapeshifting robots from space, first and foremost. I want robot carnage caused by other robots. And I want Optimus to demonstrate why he is in charge, by being tough enough to take on Megatron ( and by being a good leader and a good guy, ect., ect.)

[Serious_?]

I like a few, hope that the humans are not the 'victors' this time around.

If that happens then there will be no use for the Autobots at all.

[Geekgirl]

Except to look cool as the humans do the dirty work.

[DemonicFoil]

wonder if there will be any human deaths in this film,if i remember correctly quite a few died in the first one but none of them were the main characters.

[Geekgirl]

I vote for Simmons.

Maybe not, he was the closest we had to a human bad guy in the last one and I kind of enjoy his slight manic personality.

[DemonicFoil]

I vote for Mikaela:hehe:

Sure, why not, let Sam experience the pain of loss.

[Geekgirl]

They won't kill her. They need the love angle. It is like a classic movie component. They would only kill her if A) they were going to give Sam a new girlfriend in the next one (unlikely with how all they guys fawn over her) or B) they bring her back to life with some miracle (again, unlikely, because they will need to save the resurrection tricks for Megatron and Optimus Prime (who is likely to die, considering his past history with dying heroic deaths and returning)) So Mikaela will live.

[DemonicFoil]

Yeah but it can also make the story more interesting for example one of the autobots would have to protect her and one of the decepticons kill her off anyway leaving Sam angry at both factions.

[Geekgirl]

The only way any autobot would not protect her properly would if they were nearly killed themselves. Even if they were not killed, the whole autobot attitude means they would wish they had been killed rather than having Mikaela killed. I just do not see that happening.

I put it in the same likelyhood as the Mikaela/Bumblebee romance someone suggested on the ShoWest thread.

I will admit, your idea is interesting and would be a cool thing to see. I still do not see it happening.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

MY main concern at the moment is Jetfire, awesome and bad-ass character from the comics reduced to a half crippled 'old man' robot. Pisses me off. Also dissapointed about the choice of some bots, mainly the twins.

[DemonicFoil]

MY main concern at the moment is Jetfire, awesome and bad-ass character from the comics reduced to a half crippled 'old man' robot. Pisses me off. Also dissapointed about the choice of some bots, mainly the twins.


Agreed

[Geekgirl]

"Get out of my yard, you young bots! In my day, we respected our elders!" (Jetfire slowly dozes off as he talks about the good old days.)

[DemonicFoil]

lol, i wonder if we will see jetfire's protoform in like a flash back or the present before he scans his new vehicle mode.

[luca_frontino]

They won't kill her. They need the love angle.... So Mikaela will live.

Actually, once I went on a MySpace of Megan (and it was authentic 'cause I've found it on Shia's list of friends of his profile, also authentic with a video of himself) and some guy posted a comment feeling sorry for the upcoming death of Mikaela.

[Geekgirl]

That stinks. Why kill her? Does she stay dead? Or is this another false rumor designed to drive us insane. Hope it is.

[DemonicFoil]

Dead? as in her being squashed by decepticons or her acting. :hehe:

[raynorWilm]

There is NO WAY that she is going to die. NO WAY. Bay would never kill off someone who he made famous. Cool robots, explosions, and Fox are what this franchise is all about. I cant think of anyone less likely to kill off a main-female-hot character than Michael "The Touch" Bay..

[raynorWilm]

Dead? as in her being squashed by decepticons or her acting. :hehe:
Oh snap! No you didnt!

However, I agree

[terry78]

If Bay wants to pull a TDK and kill her off....it won't really work. I hate to say something like this, but she's probably too hot to kill off.

[Geekgirl]

I agree. Half the guys go for the giant robots and the other half go for Megan Fox. Even I know that.

[DemonicFoil]

Ha, so true, giant robots for me please. :woot:

[luca_frontino]

I don't watch a TFs movie for Megan Fox.
It's more comfortable to look at her pictures on the web, to me.

[LightningFlash]

^^ Hahahahahahaha. Sicko.

But they won't kill of Megan's character.

Name a movie that they kill of the ****ing hot-ass girl?

Okay, besides Se7en.

[LightningFlash]

No, thats how you can tell who the true nerds are...

Same thing.

True TF fans = nerds.

[The Lizard]

The first movie's dialog, storyline and plot inconsistancies lowered my expectations to the point where I don't really care enough to have any concerns. I just laugh it all off now.

Jetfire walks with a cane? LOL - sure, why not?

Wisecracking twin Autobots making fart jokes for the kids? - OK...go crazy.

A bunch of Transformers that have big wheels instead of legs, and thus still look like vehicles in their jumbled, confusing robot modes? - whatever...it's Bayformers, man!

More annoying character acting from John Turturro, more lack of any kind of romantic chemistry between LaBeouf and Fox, and more inane dialog and broad, dumb humor all around? -- Hey, whatever brings in the money from the masses, right? LOL.

I know what to expect. So the 25% of the movie that's awesome action and effects scenes will remain my primary focus. I won't worry about the rest.

[DemonicFoil]

Repeating lines from the the first movie as well, "what your about to see is top secret" :whatever:

[lars573]

Like "top secret" means jack in a movie. :hehe:

[Geekgirl]

Same thing.

True TF fans = nerds.

Totally agree. Only true nerds would stand around talking for months about whether or not Bay will do justice to cartoon (answer: probably not.)

[protocida]

Repeating lines from the the first movie as well, "what your about to see is top secret" :whatever:
The line from the first movie is "What you're about to see is completelly classifided". :cwink:

[LightningFlash]

Wasn't it "totally classified"?

And I believe he was just mentioning how the lines sound very similar.

And both come from Sector Seven agents. Even though SS was disbanded. Still the same.

[protocida]

I know. I'm joking. :)

[Geekgirl]

Did you guys just have an argument about the exact wording of a line? Man, we are nerds.

[JackLucas]

Indeed.

[LightningFlash]

Hey, I can be a nerd sometimes.

But then I can also pwn someone in a game of 21, haha.

[Avangarde]

It's a beautiful thing, it's when ravings and ignorance step up to the plate and wave their arms around saying "look at me, give me attention".

[raynorWilm]

The first movie's dialog, storyline and plot inconsistancies lowered my expectations to the point where I don't really care enough to have any concerns. I just laugh it all off now.

Jetfire walks with a cane? LOL - sure, why not?

Wisecracking twin Autobots making fart jokes for the kids? - OK...go crazy.

A bunch of Transformers that have big wheels instead of legs, and thus still look like vehicles in their jumbled, confusing robot modes? - whatever...it's Bayformers, man!

More annoying character acting from John Turturro, more lack of any kind of romantic chemistry between LaBeouf and Fox, and more inane dialog and broad, dumb humor all around? -- Hey, whatever brings in the money from the masses, right? LOL.

I know what to expect. So the 25% of the movie that's awesome action and effects scenes will remain my primary focus. I won't worry about the rest.
Ha I think this is a perfect answer for this thread. Now that I think about it, even the title of this thread seems to be an oxymoron. I think we all know why we will go to see this movie....and Ill be in line right beside you..

[Geekgirl]

Bring on the action and violence! Bring on the giant robots! Bring on the destruction! Bring on Transformers!

[DemonicFoil]

Hmmmm, i guess another concern i have is that i hope they don't use mistaken names of certain bots like when bay decided to call brawl Devastator in the first one.

[shigsy2003]

The first movie's dialog, storyline and plot inconsistancies lowered my expectations to the point where I don't really care enough to have any concerns. I just laugh it all off now.

Jetfire walks with a cane? LOL - sure, why not?

Wisecracking twin Autobots making fart jokes for the kids? - OK...go crazy.

A bunch of Transformers that have big wheels instead of legs, and thus still look like vehicles in their jumbled, confusing robot modes? - whatever...it's Bayformers, man!

More annoying character acting from John Turturro, more lack of any kind of romantic chemistry between LaBeouf and Fox, and more inane dialog and broad, dumb humor all around? -- Hey, whatever brings in the money from the masses, right? LOL.

I know what to expect. So the 25% of the movie that's awesome action and effects scenes will remain my primary focus. I won't worry about the rest.

The perfect movie to switch off to and enjoy yourself.

Also with regards to Simmons line...I reckon it was deliberate to paraphrase a line from the first one to get in his joke of "don't tell my mother".

[DemonicFoil]

Another concern i have is that i wonder why Bay choose to not give Megatron a earth mode instead of all these cybertronian alt modes.

[Aesop Rocks]

I'm concerned Desvastator won't have too much screen time and will be killed off by a human.

[protocida]

I doubt it. My bet is in Jetprime.

[shigsy2003]

I'm concerned Desvastator won't have too much screen time and will be killed off by a human.

Depends on who "creates" him. According to that recent "Spoiler Bible" or whatever it was Megatron tells the Constructicons to merge to defeat the Fallen. If that happens then the Fallen will probably kill him. However if the Fallen controls Devs then Megatron, Optimus Fire (or Jet Prime), Autobots, Decepticons and humans will bring him down....then get back to fighting each other.

[Conebone69]

The first movie's dialog, storyline and plot inconsistancies lowered my expectations to the point where I don't really care enough to have any concerns. I just laugh it all off now.

Jetfire walks with a cane? LOL - sure, why not?

Wisecracking twin Autobots making fart jokes for the kids? - OK...go crazy.

A bunch of Transformers that have big wheels instead of legs, and thus still look like vehicles in their jumbled, confusing robot modes? - whatever...it's Bayformers, man!

More annoying character acting from John Turturro, more lack of any kind of romantic chemistry between LaBeouf and Fox, and more inane dialog and broad, dumb humor all around? -- Hey, whatever brings in the money from the masses, right? LOL.

I know what to expect. So the 25% of the movie that's awesome action and effects scenes will remain my primary focus. I won't worry about the rest.
Hopefully bay will tone down the cheesy humor this time around, and make it more serious and dark

[DemonicFoil]

Yeah, i hope its darker as well, the cheesiness factor will be in there for sure but maybe there will be just enough darkness to make up for it.

[Rac]

My main concern: The Michael Bay humor. I already facepalmed to the "I'm so excited / Bumblebee" moment in the trailer.

[Geekgirl]

Here is an interesting connection to the "Don't tell my mother," Simmons thing. I read the Alan Dean Foster Prequel Novelization, "The Veiled Threat." It suggests that part of what Simmons has (and is hiding from his mother) is Frenzy's head. (The book also confirms that without Sector Seven, he goes even more paranoid and crazy.)

[raynorWilm]

My main concern: The Michael Bay humor. I already facepalmed to the "I'm so excited / Bumblebee" moment in the trailer.
This is a huge thing for me as well. I literally cant watch when I hear some of Bay's humor. Its so bad, its like he is slapping me in the face and saying "HEY! If you want to see my explosions, you are going to have to sit through this crappy dialogue"

[AnorexicBatman]

Why must his movies be kid friendly and have humor have humor?
Who cares about kids? Even Pixar has abandoned them....
Enjoy CN son... Daddy's gonna go watch robots beat **** up...

[Destructicus]

Well as far as I see it, you either accept it or don't go see it. I will be there. The only grip I have is how does Megs go from big ass Jet to awesome ass tank?

[uncwbradteacher]

There are alot of things that scare me about this movie. I really want to like it. I hope it is awsome, however, here is my list of things that could ruin a movie that COULD be the best summer flick of 09.

1. RC looks beyond horrible. There are no words to describe how I feel about this character. I have no problems with a girl-bot, but she looks like complete garbage.

2. Devastator being on screen 4 minutes and then being blown up by humans in jets.

3. I honestly think people who say they like the jetfire incarnation just say they like it or make themselves like it just to argue or because they just want the movie to be awsome. I want so much for the movie to rock but i am not such a fan who will take what is given. Jetfire is one of my favorite all time transformers. He is and has always been a bad**s. That is until Jetbeard.

4. The twins look like siamese retarded twins who were joined at the heads before separated. And if Bay says they will be kid friendly, that means they will be the most annoying bots in the film. I fear they will be Jar Jar bad and overshadow all that is good in the movie. That is what Jar Jar did to Menace.

5. Back to designs. The blue car bolt looks like a 5 year old won honorable mention at a robot building competition with pieces of spare plastic.

6. Humans beating the decepticons and the autobots looking like wimpy punks. This is the worst. In the cartoon, humans were almost helpless against the decepticons but in Bayformers, humans kick put and autobots need the rescuing. Except for the Brawl Prime fight.

7. And my biggest fear, throw away deaths. I took Jazz's death as a personal insult. Jazz and Mirage were my very first transformers when I was a kid. I loved both of them. But his death was so meaningless and without any feeling to it. No emotion. When prime sees his halved body he just says "Oh Jazz. That sucks. But we have Spike now so its cool"
That almost made me hate the 1st movie.

[DemonicFoil]

I agree about the whole Jazz thing but Sam has a map in his mind to energon which is used to bring back fallen bots so hopefully there is a possibility that he will return as a surprise maybe. I also agree about Devastator as well, i don't want a repeat of what Sam did to Megatron in the first movie.

[Conebone69]

My main concern: The Michael Bay humor. I already facepalmed to the "I'm so excited / Bumblebee" moment in the trailer.
I agree with the humor but bee playing the "im so excited" wasnt that bad

[Raiden]

I agree about the whole Jazz thing but Sam has a map in his mind to energon which is used to bring back fallen bots so hopefully there is a possibility that he will return as a surprise maybe. I also agree about Devastator as well, i don't want a repeat of what Sam did to Megatron in the first movie.

This is my concern as well. I love TF1 but I hate how humans were able to figure out how to defeat the Decepticons just by studying Scorponox's tail, and it was laughable how easily they took down Blackout. I think Bay is too obsessed about making his human heroes look good, and ignored the fact that it's Transformers who are selling the movie, not actors (except Megan Fox).

[protocida]

The humor is one of the best parts. I hope it stays.

[Superhero 101]

-Bumblebee not being able to talk. That was really annoying in the first one. I mean you'd think for a guy who got his legs torn apart then got them fixed would also get his vocal cords fixed.
- Twins
-Lack of G1 robots

[LightningFlash]

There are alot of things that scare me about this movie. I really want to like it. I hope it is awsome, however, here is my list of things that could ruin a movie that COULD be the best summer flick of 09.

1. RC looks beyond horrible. There are no words to describe how I feel about this character. I have no problems with a girl-bot, but she looks like complete garbage.

2. Devastator being on screen 4 minutes and then being blown up by humans in jets.

3. I honestly think people who say they like the jetfire incarnation just say they like it or make themselves like it just to argue or because they just want the movie to be awsome. I want so much for the movie to rock but i am not such a fan who will take what is given. Jetfire is one of my favorite all time transformers. He is and has always been a bad**s. That is until Jetbeard.

4. The twins look like siamese retarded twins who were joined at the heads before separated. And if Bay says they will be kid friendly, that means they will be the most annoying bots in the film. I fear they will be Jar Jar bad and overshadow all that is good in the movie. That is what Jar Jar did to Menace.

5. Back to designs. The blue car bolt looks like a 5 year old won honorable mention at a robot building competition with pieces of spare plastic.

6. Humans beating the decepticons and the autobots looking like wimpy punks. This is the worst. In the cartoon, humans were almost helpless against the decepticons but in Bayformers, humans kick put and autobots need the rescuing. Except for the Brawl Prime fight.

7. And my biggest fear, throw away deaths. I took Jazz's death as a personal insult. Jazz and Mirage were my very first transformers when I was a kid. I loved both of them. But his death was so meaningless and without any feeling to it. No emotion. When prime sees his halved body he just says "Oh Jazz. That sucks. But we have Spike now so its cool"
That almost made me hate the 1st movie.


For a "fan", you really don't know how to spell out Arcee, do you?

Devastator being killed by jets won't happen, because it's happened already once in the first film, so I doubt Bay will do the same act twice.

Jetfire DOES look fine. He will still be a badass and he will still combine with Optimus...so what else did you want? Not to have a cane and be younger? If he's still a giant robot and can transform, I am totally fine with the "age".

I'll give you the twins; I doubt anyone likes them.

But for Volt/Jolt/Bolt/Holt/what have you, all you've seen is the TOY. Stop *****ing over a doll.

Yah, because it's not like Jazz was man(bot) enough to go after Megatron all by himself and Bumblebee helped kill Brawl, right? Or that Ironhide and Ratchet almost sacrificed themselves against Starscream...no, the Autobots are completely helpless. Or, and another thing, in the film series, Autobots are NOT warriors. Read the prequel comics, the Decepticons were the warriors, Autobots were the scientists, hence why NEST works for the films. No biggie.

"When prime sees his halved body he just says "Oh Jazz. That sucks. But we have Spike now so its cool""

^^ I don't recall Prime saying this...but who knows, maybe you got a special edition?

How could Prime have felt any remorse when Megatron was RIGHT there. Prime's main goal was to stop Megatron. Now after the fight, Prime should've been a little more sad, but his "Aww, Jazz" was fine enough for me, imo, simply because Bay's movies are always so fast, so I doubt they would have a moment of silence for him.

-Bumblebee not being able to talk. That was really annoying in the first one. I mean you'd think for a guy who got his legs torn apart then got them fixed would also get his vocal cords fixed.

It's easy to repair legs when the legs are still there. It's not easy when Megatron ripped Bumblebee's voice recorder on Cybertron and it's still in Cybertron. All Ratchet has are his tools...so now wonder BB can't talk yet.

[GhostPoet]

RC...she looks ugly.

Devastator having a very short moment on screen.

that's really the only problems I have with the movie.

[terry78]

I was in Borders earlier and just finished the novelization, and if it's accurate, this one addresses most of the complaints we had about the first, including the amount of TF screen time and dialogue. I will say this though...Optimus, man.... he saves the day this time around, not Sam...though his visions help in getting him to that point. Prime is a mother****ing beast in this one...takes on Starscream, Blackout AND Megs and holds them all off at once. His transformation at the end when he saves the day and beats everyone back...basically they took cues from Optimus Primal's upgrades in Beast Wars. Considering who is alive at the end, there WILL be a third, because you can't have those ****ers just hanging around like that.

[LightningFlash]

Hey, can you give us more spoilers on it?

Like is Lazerbeak for sure Alice?

What really happens in the final battle?

What happens to Fallen/the sun harvester/and Devastator?

Is he called Devastator? Lol.

And who survives on both sides?

[Geekgirl]

Wait for May 18 and/or 19, then the Alan Dean Foster version comes out. It will be more detailed than a junior version.

[sauronthegreat]

And what about Soundwave? :)
Does he have a large part, or he is the one that gives his spark for Megatron?

[DemonicFoil]

One thing i didn't like about the first one that i hope they don't repeat in the second movie was when Frenzy was walking out in the open too Barricade and nobody noticed him.:huh:

[terry78]

One thing i didn't like about the first one that i hope they don't repeat in the second movie was when Frenzy was walking out in the open too Barricade and nobody noticed him.:huh:

That will honestly not be an issue this time around.

Every single person on Earth becomes aware of the TF's existence at about halfway in due to an announcement ultimatium given by the Deceps.

[protocida]

Everyone was too distracted to see Frenzy. He's not THAT noticeable, and Barricade was close by.

[Geekgirl]

He's small, and they had bigger problems. With all that distraction, it's no wonder that they missed one robot on moving over a short distance.

[protocida]

^ :yay:

[Geekgirl]

Really, would you be on the look out for tiny robots traveling a short distance when you are supposed to trying to figure out who or what hacked into Air Force 1 and killed a few guards? No, you'd be looking for clues to the attacker's identity. While Frenzy had a lot of luck on his side, it was not impossible for him to remain undetected.

[LightningFlash]

Enjoy CN son... Daddy's gonna go watch robots beat **** up...

Chowder makes me giggle.

:hehe:

[DemonicFoil]

Really, would you be on the look out for tiny robots traveling a short distance when you are supposed to trying to figure out who or what hacked into Air Force 1 and killed a few guards? No, you'd be looking for clues to the attacker's identity. While Frenzy had a lot of luck on his side, it was not impossible for him to remain undetected.

If i was one of those guys walking by i defenitely would of spotted him and be like WTF? lol, or notice him sitting in baricade for a few seconds plus he might be small but not too small unless he's in his radio form.

[Mr. Earle]

So OK, the Autobots have to be "friendly", so they are cars while the decepticons are "eviiiil" so they are mostly military vehicles. Thats the rule.

But goddamn, those Decepticons are freaking huge! Only Prime is of comparable size, and even he looks weak compared to them. He looks tall and thin while they are tall and bulky as ****! That green truck constructicon, Blackout, the wheel constructicon.... Bloody hell!

Now, its only natural that a robot that turns into a big chopper is going to be bigger than a robot that turns into a truck, but this issue bothers me.

Autobots look ****ing weak no matter how badass and heroically they fight.

[Mr. Earle]

3. I honestly think people who say they like the jetfire incarnation just say they like it or make themselves like it just to argue or because they just want the movie to be awsome. I want so much for the movie to rock but i am not such a fan who will take what is given. Jetfire is one of my favorite all time transformers. He is and has always been a bad**s. That is until Jetbeard. I dont remember Jetfire from the G1 series. But i find Bay's handling very interesting. The whole deal with switching sides and memory problems sounds cool to me.
I am just worried that Bay will make his memory problems another big, obnoxious joke.
And.. yeah...the cane.... is ridiculous!4. The twins look like siamese retarded twins who were joined at the heads before separated. And if Bay says they will be kid friendly, that means they will be the most annoying bots in the film. I fear they will be Jar Jar bad and overshadow all that is good in the movie. That is what Jar Jar did to Menace.SecondedI agree with the humor but bee playing the "im so excited" wasnt that badI liked it. I think that you cant make Transformers super serious. T:Salvation sucks because it takes itself too seriously. Even when the classic lines from the older movies are heard, its just no fun.
In my book, all the humor in Transformers was horrible, but the "excited" bumblebee scene is pretty cool. Its funny and it makes Bee look cute and friendly, the best friend Sam could have.
Hopefully the fat black guy wont be in this one.

[Mr. Earle]

Or that Ironhide and Ratchet almost sacrificed themselves against Starscream...Well they didnt even fight. Ironhide could have used his enormous cannons he was bragging about earlier, but no, he chose to stand there and take it. Then Starscream took off when he could have taken the cube from Sam who was crawling under his feet. Bay screw that scene up. Thank god the building scene with Megatron was good! and another thing, in the film series, Autobots are NOT warriors. Read the prequel comics, the Decepticons were the warriors, Autobots were the scientists, hence why NEST works for the films. No biggie.Huh, i didnt know that. I guess that explains the size difference that i was whining about earlier. But still... Autobots barely have a big bot. They could have had more. And Prime needs some more bulk if you ask me. It's easy to repair legs when the legs are still there. It's not easy when Megatron ripped Bumblebee's voice recorder on Cybertron and it's still in Cybertron. All Ratchet has are his tools...so now wonder BB can't talk yet.Well i suppose that Bee's vocal cords should have been fixed already (Megs is practically reassembled and regenerated in ROTF, couldnt Bee get his cords back?), but i like how he uses gestures and the radio to communicate. It makes him the most cute and likeable TF out there, so i dont really care for the realism in this case. Also, that prequel live comic thing they did, well Bee had a line in it, and the voice was terrible.

[DemonicFoil]

As for the whole Bumblebee vocal cords thing i wonder why the cube didn't fix that problem after he touched it, i mean hell it somehow magically repaired Frenzy's body.

[protocida]

There are two teories about Bumblebee's voice:

1°: Ratchet's laser fixed it, but it took some days to make full effect.

2°: The Allspark fixed it when Bumblebee touched it.

I'm leaning towards the first one, because, if it was because of the Allspark, Bumblebee wouldn't still be having voice problems in T:RoF.

[-Arya-]

The first movie's dialog, storyline and plot inconsistancies lowered my expectations to the point where I don't really care enough to have any concerns. I just laugh it all off now.

Jetfire walks with a cane? LOL - sure, why not?

Wisecracking twin Autobots making fart jokes for the kids? - OK...go crazy.

A bunch of Transformers that have big wheels instead of legs, and thus still look like vehicles in their jumbled, confusing robot modes? - whatever...it's Bayformers, man!

More annoying character acting from John Turturro, more lack of any kind of romantic chemistry between LaBeouf and Fox, and more inane dialog and broad, dumb humor all around? -- Hey, whatever brings in the money from the masses, right? LOL.

I know what to expect. So the 25% of the movie that's awesome action and effects scenes will remain my primary focus. I won't worry about the rest.
I would like to thank you for sparing me the effort of writing this myself.:up:

[Mr. Earle]

Goddamnit, now you reminded me of Torturo's character.... My god! Even in the trailer you can see him acting like a retard. Look how fast and nerdy he turns to Sam with that newspaper in his hands. Goddamn it, his character was beyond retarded. Do kids really like stuff like that? Really?

[Eric Brooks]

Goddamnit, now you reminded me of Torturo's character.... My god! Even in the trailer you can see him acting like a retard. Look how fast and nerdy he turns to Sam with that newspaper in his hands. Goddamn it, his character was beyond retarded. Do kids really like stuff like that? Really?

I don't know about kids but I absolutley LOVED John Torturo in the first film and can't wait to see him in the 2nd. Yes, I thought he was a stich along with the parents. The comedy aspect of the films are half the reason I even bother watching them.

Dude is just hilarious

[protocida]

Simmons was great. And the brazillian dubbing made him even better.

[AnorexicBatman]

Concerned that it will get a higher Tomato meter rating than Terminator Salvation...

[Eric Brooks]

Simmons was great. And the brazillian dubbing made him even better.

the movie wouldn't have been the same without him


(I'm going to stop someone before they even think about making a witty comment like: yea, it would've been better)

don't even try it

[LightningFlash]

There are two teories about Bumblebee's voice:

1°: Ratchet's laser fixed it, but it took some days to make full effect.

2°: The Allspark fixed it when Bumblebee touched it.

I'm leaning towards the first one, because, if it was because of the Allspark, Bumblebee wouldn't still be having voice problems in T:RoF.

The Allspark didn't do anything; if anything, it helped him speak that one line at the end of the first film without using the radio. That's why he's most likely still using the radio in ROTF.

And, as I said on the previous page, Bumblebee's voice will be the same, because Megatron ripped his voice box in Cybertron. Ratchet can do all he wants, but BB needs a new voice box. Who knows, maybe they return to Cybertron in TF3 and BB finds it, "Hey, I found it!!!"

[Eric Brooks]

The Allspark didn't do anything; if anything, it helped him speak that one line at the end of the first film without using the radio. That's why he's most likely still using the radio in ROTF.


I thought this was understood by how Optimus was confused that bumble bee could speak, hence the "Bumble Bee, you can speak?" line

there was no confirmation that he was fully repaired

[LightningFlash]

Exactly.

Plus his voice sounded like it had autotune, so it was most likely part of his voice with radio frequency. It wasn't as clear as Prime's voice, or Ironhide.

[DemonicFoil]

I think it would of been cool if they put Hot Shot in the movie and became Sam's new favorite car then Bumble Bee gets enraged from jealousy and tries too be Sam's favorite again,lol.

[Spider-Vader]

My only concern is that the classic theme won't be used....again.

[Eric Brooks]

I think it would of been cool if they put Hot Shot in the movie and became Sam's new favorite car then Bumble Bee gets enraged from jealousy and tries too be Sam's favorite again,lol.

seems like a plot fit for the Transformers: Animated tv show, but not something I'd like to see in the films

[Eric Brooks]

My only concern is that the classic theme won't be used....again.

I think the theme used in the newest trailer beats the theme from the first film


anyone know who made it and where one would go about finding it?

[LightningFlash]

Linkin Park again. "New Divide".

[Eric Brooks]

Linkin Park again. "New Divide".

no that's not it

I have that downloaded, not the same song

I'm talking about the "theme" that played during the newest trailer. It's at 1:35 in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Veo0G2qfY&feature=related

[Golgo-13]

You know, i like the Jetfire design for what it is, but i just wish he wasn't called Jetfire. Why not call him by another name less known to fans like they did with Barricade?

My concerns are:

The over the top humor that got beyond silly in TF1

Megatron's gimp arm. The more i look at it, the more i ask, "Why?Why?Why?" Is this supposed to help Prime get the edge over Megs as Bay promised after Primes smack down in TF1? I can't wait to hear the logic behind that design decision.

Soundwave not having alot of screentime, as rumored now has this being the case.............o.k, maybe not. I guess the only way to have a character like Soundwave in a Bay movie, and not have the fans ***** and moan about his characterization, is to have him on screen as little as possible.

Devastator being taken out by the military as Blackout and Megs was.

It not being explain why Bumblebee can't talk..again.

[Mr. Earle]

the movie wouldn't have been the same without him


(I'm going to stop someone before they even think about making a witty comment like: yea, it would've been better)

don't even try itHis role was important for the movie. He just didnt need to be so over the top. The humor of this character was equivalent to Jack Black's fart jokes. He needs to be toned down a lot if you ask me.

Seriously, did you enjoy his underpants and Bee peeing on him? Really?

The Allspark didn't do anything; if anything, it helped him speak that one line at the end of the first film without using the radio. That's why he's most likely still using the radio in ROTF.

And, as I said on the previous page, Bumblebee's voice will be the same, because Megatron ripped his voice box in Cybertron. Ratchet can do all he wants, but BB needs a new voice box. Who knows, maybe they return to Cybertron in TF3 and BB finds it, "Hey, I found it!!!"I dont remember him talking in the first movie. What was the line you refer to?

Also, most transformers grow back huge parts of their bodies. Scorponok will probably be fine by ROTF and remember, he had his tail blown off. Transformers have a healing factor. They dont need a mechanic to screw things back into place. So if Bee cant talk in ROTF, its only because Bay wants him not to. Probably because that makes him look like a big yellow teddy bear for Sam.

[LightningFlash]

Bumblebee said two lines actually:

"Permission to speak sir."

"I wish to stay with the boy."

both at the end of the Mission City battle.

[Nivek]

Only Concern I have is the influx of bay Bashers filling up the threads here with more of their nonsense.

[Eric Brooks]

His role was important for the movie. He just didnt need to be so over the top. The humor of this character was equivalent to Jack Black's fart jokes. He needs to be toned down a lot if you ask me.

Seriously, did you enjoy his underpants and Bee peeing on him? Really?


completley disagree. I didn't find him "over the top" at all, infact, he was just right. Played the role perfectly and it's THAT energy in the character I want to see in the next film.

yes, I enjoyed BB peeing on him and the Superman underwear, I found those scenes to be rather hillarious

[Mr. Earle]

completley disagree. I didn't find him "over the top" at all, infact, he was just right. Played the role perfectly and it's THAT energy in the character I want to see in the next film.

yes, I enjoyed BB peeing on him and the Superman underwear, I found those scenes to be rather hillariousIf you dont mind me asking... How old are you?

[Eric Brooks]

If you dont mind me asking... How old are you?

actually I do mind as it's obvious you're asking only to pick a fight

you probably have some preconceived notion towards comedy and what it should and shouldn't be, placing your opinion on a pedestal and high above everyone elses, judging from your question at hand.

I however am not going to allow that to happen

just let it be known that some of us.........like to laugh

I know a lot of you bitter stiffs on the hype find that to be a distraction in life

so carry on

[Mr. Earle]

actually I do mind as it's obvious you're asking only to pick a fight

you probably have some preconceived notion towards comedy and what it should and shouldn't be, placing your opinion on a pedestal and high above everyone elses, judging from your question at hand.

I however am not going to allow that to happen

just let it be known that some of us.........like to laugh

I know a lot of you bitter stiffs on the hype find that to be a distraction in life

so carry onI wasnt trying to pick a fight. I just think that this sort of humour is childish and tasteless. Fart jokes and silly underpants on an agent just dont cut it for me i guess.

[Eric Brooks]

I wasnt trying to pick a fight. I just think that this sort of humour is childish and tasteless. Fart jokes and silly underpants on an agent just dont cut it for me i guess.

well I'll admit I "over exaggerated" by stating I found them "hilarious". Not like I was on the ground rolling from those scenes, but they got a chuckle and few smirks out of me. Which is what I'm hoping for (and from the previews, looking to get) from the sequel.

and I guess, in a sense, that character "does do it for me"


everyone is different though. It just seems Bay and myself tend to be on the same page, which is why more often than not, I tend to thoroughly enjoy his work

[DemonicFoil]

I know im alone on this but the more i look at Jetfire the more he's starting to look like a giant walking roach.

[Eric Brooks]

found the theme "Scorponok" by Steve Joblonsky

[protocida]

Simmons is great. :hehe:

[Eric Brooks]

I for one would like to see the animated take on Starscream in Bay's films. We didn't get that in the original and I don't think we're getting that in this one either. I want to see him foolishly try to foil Megatrons plans and just be an annoying (but hilarious) nusence (how's that word spelled?)

personally

[LightningFlash]

I wasnt trying to pick a fight. I just think that this sort of humour is childish and tasteless. Fart jokes and silly underpants on an agent just dont cut it for me i guess.

I agree.

A Transformers movie shouldn't have stupid fart jokes, let alone a a prolonged joke about masturbation. Nor should Bay have some agent have a pair of Hawaii boxers and a Superman-like shirt on.

Hell, if Bay wants to have some "fun" in the movie, leave it for the 'bots: we already have childish robots in the form of the Twins. No need to make the humans sound or look stupid.

That is possibly the only "hate" I have for TF.

[Conebone69]

I honestly hope this one tones down the bad humor. I mean, some is ok, but keep it to a minimum so that it doesnt ruin intense action scenes and some good moments

[Marvin]

films like Badboys and The Rock have bays classic "bad jokes" yet they are noted as two of the best action films around (by many)

bad boys - the jokes = half as entertaining

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