CREED returns!

[Marx]

ROCK ACT 'CREED' IN TALKS TO REUNITE
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28004402/

:applaud

I want this to happen so badly! Some of my best memories involve this band. So what do you guys think about a possible reunion tour?

UPDATE: IT'S OFFICIAL! CREED IS BACK TOGETHER!

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[Groovetopia]

I never knew they broke up...thought they just kinda fell by the wayside

[Marx]

I never knew they broke up...thought they just kinda fell by the wayside

Yeah...they had a very bad split in 2004. Scott Stapp went on to do solo work while Tremonti, Phillips, and Marshall went on to create 'Alter Bridge' with Myles Kennedy.

[NewYorkSpider]

I've always enjoyed Creed's music. It would be great to see them back together.

[Hush]

Did hell freeze over? I mean does this really need to happen to the world?

[Darthphere]

Scott Stapp is a douche.

[unstoppable]

they have a few good songs, more power to 'em

[Hush]

Scott Stapp is a douche.

A drunk and disorderly douche at that!

[8Diagrams(WU)]

OH nooOOOH!

[Captain Planet!]

We need a Music forum/Sub-Forum, gosh darn it.

[Marx]

We need a Music forum/Sub-Forum, gosh darn it.

That would be nice! I'm really surprised that there isn't one.

[K.B.]

I'd rather pay money to watch Bill Cosby dookie into Rudy's mouth.

[Alistair]

Hahaha. I thought they swore it was never going to happen? Well, I guess that shows that anything can happen, even if one of 'em is a huge douche.

[Heretic]

Gee, Alter Bridge was doing so well...

Money talks. Stapps solo career sank like the Titanic and Im sure a reunion would pick up some pretty big cash...for a summer...and then low ticket sales would bring them down to earth.

[Marx]

Gee, Alter Bridge was doing so well...

Money talks. Stapps solo career sank like the Titanic and Im sure a reunion would pick up some pretty big cash...for a summer...and then low ticket sales would bring them down to earth.

I think you are forgetting how popular they were and how many albums were sold.

[Excel]

most famous christian band ever

[Heretic]

I think you are forgetting how popular they were and how many albums were sold.


No, Im not. However, Creed became a punchline, like Limp Bizkit. Look at the Smashing Punpkins reunion...they were outrageously successful...and the reunion has tanked. Creed was even more popular, yet became such a joke in the eyes of the public that their target audience has basically turned against them.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

No, Im not. However, Creed became a punchline, like Limp Bizkit. Look at the Smashing Punpkins reunion...they were outrageously successful...and the reunion has tanked. Creed was even more popular, yet became such a joke in the eyes of the public that their target audience has basically turned against them.

I used to like them a few years back and now even I consider them a joke.

I look at them more as a guilty pleasure that I'm more ashamed of than my liking of Hilary Duff than anything else.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd be way happier if SOAD got back together :(

[Drakon]

I used to make such fun of them.

"Uncle Scott, how do you catch a football?" WIFF ARMZ WYDE OPUN!!!

[Hush]

I used to make such fun of them.

"Uncle Scott, how do you catch a football?" WIFF ARMZ WYDE OPUN!!!

LOL That was classic!

[Silverstein]

SOAD broke up?!

[Heretic]

SOAD broke up?!

System is on like a permanent hiatus...if Serj and Scars On Broadway dont sell, theyll reunite to stay relevant.

[Silverstein]

Eh. Bands seem to just come and go now...What happened to bands that are popular for like 20 years.

Where is the Metallica of the 2000's?

Where is the U2 of the....Well U2 is the U2 of any time.

[Colossal Spoons]

SOAD broke up?!

System is on like a permanent hiatus...if Serj and Scars On Broadway dont sell, theyll reunite to stay relevant.

:csad:

[JustABill]

I was a Creed fan once...once being the primary word in this post.

It's kinda like Mad TV said...

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Pretty much somes up the late 90's/early 00's pop rock bands.

[Nirvana]

To carry on the discussion on the first page, I wish SOAD would reunite again. I never got a chance to see them live. :csad:

Lawl, the coolest tour ever: Serj and SOB with SOAD headlining. :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd love to see 'em live too

[Corey]

There have been reports of this nature on and off ever since Alter Bridge formed. This is nothing new. Every single one of them have been false, and Alter Bridge have fiercely refuted any ideas of Creed ever getting back together. Tremonti has said that, "this is the band we want to retire with".

I'm pretty skeptical. It just doesn't make sense, it's unnecessary, and Alter Bridge themselves have yet to say anything about this at all.

There was a reason the bassist left in the middle of Creed's career, only to be followed by literally the rest of the band. They needed to get away from Scott, and it just doesn't make sense that they would think it's a good idea to reunite now--with Blackbird being as well received as it is.

[Kargo Warrior]

Creed sucks. A bunch of Christian lyrics by a guy who's an enormous hypocrite on almost every level, and a band that can't play. Seriously, I hope they get back together, and then all die in a plane crash.

That's simply not true...go and get a listen/watch some of Mark Tremonti's solo stuff and guitar lessons.

They're probably the most underated band right now even if it sounds like a hyperbole...just because the singer was acting like an idiot it doesnt diminish the quality of the first 2 albums.

I'm an atheist but they're one of the rare bands were i have really found myself in the lyrics...My Own Prison,One,Faceless Man,etc...great,personal stuff.

And plus they're one of the few bands that made it to the big stage by continuously playing at smal venues in Tallahassee for years before they actually got signed after a guy from Wind-Up saw them at a concert..so they were one of the last big Rock bands that made it through their songs not by MTV.

[Kargo Warrior]

There have been reports of this nature on and off ever since Alter Bridge formed. This is nothing new. Every single one of them have been false, and Alter Bridge have fiercely refuted any ideas of Creed ever getting back together. Tremonti has said that, "this is the band we want to retire with".

I'm pretty skeptical. It just doesn't make sense, it's unnecessary, and Alter Bridge themselves have yet to say anything about this at all.

There was a reason the bassist left in the middle of Creed's career, only to be followed by literally the rest of the band. They needed to get away from Scott, and it just doesn't make sense that they would think it's a good idea to reunite now--with Blackbird being as well received as it is.

Creed's Human Clay sold over 11,5 million copies in the USA.

Blackbird sold 230.000.

When you're accustomed to be a Rock star and play in front of millions of people like Woodstock 99'...i don't think you will take lightly such underwhelming responce and sales.

Creed is a brand name...they released a Greatest Hits abum after they broke up and it has already sold 2 million copies while their other albums also continue to sell.

Such a tour can be very,very lucrative...and with Kennedy's tour with Led Zep it can bring more exposure to Alter Bridge which the band clearly lacks.

[kane9321]

Oh hell yeah..oh yeah

[Immortalfire]

All I know of em was Scott Stapp can't play poker worth a damn.

[Ronny Shade]

I always get Creed confused with Coldplay.

because they both start with C and they both suck.

[unstoppable]

I'd be way happier if SOAD got back together :(
that would be the crap

[Heretic]

Alter Bridge is just about the epitome of underperformance. Their cd sales for THIS BAND just dont warrant them being a headlining band. I remember a few years ago a band I was touring with did a festival with them, and the band I was with had outsold Alter Bridge about 2 to 1, yet because they were in Creed Alter Bridge requested (and got) a later timeslot.

It doesnt matter what Tremonti has said in the past, or even today...money talks, and promoters are sick of giving Alter Bridge headlining money and not seeing people buy tickets. Less money for Alter Bridge means Creed reunion.

[The Apatow Crew]

I kinda knew they get back together eventually.

I know i'm gonna take a lot crap for this, but i like Creed and i'm glad they are. They were one of my fave bands and i have all their cds. So i hope its true.

[Heretic]

I cant stand Creed...and I never could.

However, if you used to like Creed, and still do...then I can respect that more than someone who liked them when it was fashionable but now doesnt because they arent. This whole "I changed my tastes" line is bs, since millions of peoples taste in music seems to shift every time the media picks a new trend.

I remember Rage Against The Machine getting booed off the stage as an opening act, and then returning to the same arena as a headliner a few months later (on the same cds tour) and getting cheered by the exact same people who were booing them the first time. I just cant respect the tastes of people like that.

Notice you never hear "I used to like Creed but now I like The Horrorpops, or !!! or Drive By Truckers", or any other band that isnt on the radio.

[The Apatow Crew]

I mostly jusr listen to alot of the older groups like creed, rage and SOAD among others. I don;t listen to much new music. Unless its from an artish i like or know already.

[Raiden]

I'd be way happier if SOAD got back together :(

You and me both. :csad: Right now I just play their songs on RB2 and hope that they will make more songs like "Chop Suey" and "BYOB".

[LastSunrise1981]

Creed still is one of my favorite bands of all time. I don't care what anyone says, they were and are very talented. They became successful with a brand of music that NO ONE thought would get them as much popularity as they did.

It's interesting when bands reunite because no matter how many times they say "It'll never happen.", eventually in the long run it does happen because they've spent many years together, travelled the world, made great music, and have a strong fanbase that can't be ignored. Iron Maiden went through it, Van Halen went through it(Now if they just stop being pricks and bring Michael Anthony back), Judas Priest went through it, and I'm sure Nightwish will reunite in the future too.

Overall I am glad Creed may reunite. Here's hoping it opens up the possibility of a new album.

And I'm a huge fan of Scott's solo album and Alter Bridge. Anyone who says Mark Tremonti, Scott Phillips, and Brian Marshall can't play need to listen to Alter Bridge's second album and watch their live performances.

[Marx]

Creed still is one of my favorite bands of all time. I don't care what anyone says, they were and are very talented. They became successful with a brand of music that NO ONE thought would get them as much popularity as they did.

It's interesting when bands reunite because no matter how many times they say "It'll never happen.", eventually in the long run it does happen because they've spent many years together, travelled the world, made great music, and have a strong fanbase that can't be ignored. Iron Maiden went through it, Van Halen went through it(Now if they just stop being pricks and bring Michael Anthony back), Judas Priest went through it, and I'm sure Nightwish will reunite in the future too.

Overall I am glad Creed may reunite. Here's hoping it opens up the possibility of a new album.

And I'm a huge fan of Scott's solo album and Alter Bridge. Anyone who says Mark Tremonti, Scott Phillips, and Brian Marshall can't play need to listen to Alter Bridge's second album and watch their live performances.

My sentiments exactly, Sunrise. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[LastSunrise1981]

There have been reports of this nature on and off ever since Alter Bridge formed. This is nothing new. Every single one of them have been false, and Alter Bridge have fiercely refuted any ideas of Creed ever getting back together. Tremonti has said that, "this is the band we want to retire with".

I'm pretty skeptical. It just doesn't make sense, it's unnecessary, and Alter Bridge themselves have yet to say anything about this at all.

There was a reason the bassist left in the middle of Creed's career, only to be followed by literally the rest of the band. They needed to get away from Scott, and it just doesn't make sense that they would think it's a good idea to reunite now--with Blackbird being as well received as it is.

Unfortunately Brian Marshall left the band due to causing some controversy with Pearl Jam fans. He stated "Eddie Vedder wishes he could write songs like Scott."

That caused a HUGE uproar and Brian left the band after that. I think they just got tired of being accused of stealing from Pearl Jam, copying Eddie Vedder, and one of them just snapped in hopes of making the Pearl Jam fans shut up.

Overall I don't know if it's true or not, but if they reunite I'll be happy.

Remember Eddie Van Halen said he'd never work with Sammy Hagar or David Lee Roth again and look what happened.

[The Apatow Crew]

Creed still is one of my favorite bands of all time. I don't care what anyone says, they were and are very talented. They became successful with a brand of music that NO ONE thought would get them as much popularity as they did.

It's interesting when bands reunite because no matter how many times they say "It'll never happen.", eventually in the long run it does happen because they've spent many years together, travelled the world, made great music, and have a strong fanbase that can't be ignored. Iron Maiden went through it, Van Halen went through it(Now if they just stop being pricks and bring Michael Anthony back), Judas Priest went through it, and I'm sure Nightwish will reunite in the future too.

Overall I am glad Creed may reunite. Here's hoping it opens up the possibility of a new album.

And I'm a huge fan of Scott's solo album and Alter Bridge. Anyone who says Mark Tremonti, Scott Phillips, and Brian Marshall can't play need to listen to Alter Bridge's second album and watch their live performances.That's extemely well put. I own Scott Stapps one solo record. and i've been a fan of theirs ever since the first single "Torn"

[LastSunrise1981]

@Marx and Apatow- I definitely agree. People seem to forget that Creed became popular in a time where bands like Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Marilyn Manson, and etc were either huge or becoming huge. Now don't get me wrong I do like old Korn, Slipknot, and some Marilyn Manson. However you had them taking the majority of the airwaves from radio, MTV, and VH1. Add to the fact that the whole teeny bopper bubble gum pop was making a huge impact as well.

Creed could've been another flash in the pan with their brand of music. But they managed to overcome those obstacles and become of the the biggest rock bands in music history. Regardless of what haters believe, hear, or read, Creed IS one of the biggest rock bands in music history.

[jaguarr]

Creed was the most awesome Pearl Jam tribute band ever!

jag

[Superman4ever]

Terrorism, War, Genocide, Global warming and Creed.

What are crappy things the world could do without?

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7218/trebekcorrectrz9.jpg

[muertevilla]

christian bands.... why do they think Jesus would like their music??? plus... Scott Stapp was never a drunk... he would take 3 shots of Jagger before a show... ummm that is breakfast for real rock stars.

[The Senator]

I would rather shove a fork in my ear than listen to Creed.

It has nothing to with them being Christian in influence. Several self-defined Christian bands are at least tolerable to listen to, if I don't pay attention to the words they are singing. However, Creed's lead singer has an annoying voice and most of their songs are poorly written and performed, so I have very little patience for this one particular band.

[muertevilla]

I would rather shove a fork in my ear than listen to Creed.

It has nothing to with them being Christian in influence. Several self-defined Christian bands are at least tolerable to listen to, if I don't pay attention to the words they are singing. However, Creed's lead singer has an annoying voice and most of their songs are poorly written and performed, so I have very little patience for this one particular band.


I know what you mean. One of the only christian bands I ever like was a band called Believer. They rip!

Plus their singer's voice totally sucks too. It reminds me of that MadTV skit where him and Eddie Veder are fighting about who sings better.

[Raiden]

I always thought that Creed was trying to sound like Pearl Jam.

[Heretic]

This is kinda offtopic

BUT

Creeds replacement bassist was previously the singer of a band called Virgos Merlot...who were not exactly the most unique band ever...but I think their album was one of the better grunge type cds of that era.

[LastSunrise1981]

Where do people get the Pearl Jam and Creed comparison? I mean seriously. Neither of the bands sound anything alike at all in terms of their sound. The whole debate needs to stop because they're both great bands.

I love both Pearl Jam and Creed equally. They're two different bands with different sounds and themes in their music. If Creed is ripping off Pearl Jam then so is Nickelback, Lifehouse, early Stone Temple Pilots, and etc.

[The Apatow Crew]

I don't know, maybe its the bellowing type of voices they have.

[muertevilla]

If Creed is ripping off Pearl Jam then so is Nickelback, Lifehouse, early Stone Temple Pilots, and etc.

that is the most true statement ever.

[Colossal Spoons]

Scott Stapp and Chad Kroeger need to do a song together. It'll probably sound ridiculous but I need to hear it :o

[BlackLantern]

They need to pry the liquor battle out of Stapps hand first

[Colossal Spoons]

and the peroxide out of Kroeger's :D

[LastSunrise1981]

They need to pry the liquor battle out of Stapps hand first

Rumor has it that Stapp has been sober for a good while now and has managed to get his life together. Plus he even cut his hair and he looks a lot healthier now than he did before.

I always felt Scott was the victim of fame going to his head and alienating everyone around him to the success Creed garnered.

[jaguarr]

I hate Nickelback, too. :down

jag

[Heretic]

The music industry has been beating the Grunge horse ever since 1993. With cd sales declining, they are sticking with the tried and true formula for a hit, which is yet another wave of watered down Grunge. What I find a little odd is that there is virtually no Nirvana influence in popular music today...probably because the upper middle class suburban kids forming bands today just dont understand how to make raw music. Pearl Jam and Alice In Chains seem to be the templates for bands these days...but as i said, watered down to the point where Grunge is no longer an appropriate term.

Sadly, I fear that todays bands dont even get their influence from Alice In Chains, and likely stole their sound from Godsmack...

[Kargo Warrior]

Where do people get the Pearl Jam and Creed comparison? I mean seriously. Neither of the bands sound anything alike at all in terms of their sound. The whole debate needs to stop because they're both great bands.

I love both Pearl Jam and Creed equally. They're two different bands with different sounds and themes in their music. If Creed is ripping off Pearl Jam then so is Nickelback, Lifehouse, early Stone Temple Pilots, and etc.

Exactly...the thing is,most people who make the comparison are usually not fans of either band...it just stuck with them and it has never left.

If anything Creed are more alike with Alice In Chains than Pearl Jam.
Wrong Way,Never Say Die,Young Grow Old,Illusion,Unforgiven...nothing like the type of Grunge PJ does/did.

[jaguarr]

The music industry has been beating the Grunge horse ever since 1993. With cd sales declining, they are sticking with the tried and true formula for a hit, which is yet another wave of watered down Grunge. What I find a little odd is that there is virtually no Nirvana influence in popular music today...probably because the upper middle class suburban kids forming bands today just dont understand how to make raw music. Pearl Jam and Alice In Chains seem to be the templates for bands these days...but as i said, watered down to the point where Grunge is no longer an appropriate term.

Sadly, I fear that todays bands dont even get their influence from Alice In Chains, and likely stole their sound from Godsmack...

Alice In Chains and even early Pearl Jam were pretty damn raw (as was Soundgarden). I do agree with you that the sound has become very homogenized and watered down. It's become corporatized, basically. Creed was kind of at the forefront of that corporatized version of grunge, IMHO. Maybe that's why I've never really cared for them all that much. They're mediocre and marginalized in the face of the bands that came before them that they most certainly owe their sound and very existence to. Bands like them and Nickelback are "safe" rebellious music. The bands that came before them were truly groundbreaking musically and pushed the envelope musically despite and in spite of their own limitations (thinking mostly of Cobain on that statement) and payed homage, lyrically speaking, to the punk influences that inspired them without it becoming washed out or watered down in the process. Corporate rock is annoying and I really think of bands like Nickelback and Creed when I think of the term "corporate rock". I call it "Beer Commercial Music".

jag

[Logan's Runt]

Creed = ew

[jaguarr]

Exactly...the thing is,most people who make the comparison are usually not fans of either band...it just stuck with them and it has never left.

If anything Creed are more alike with Alice In Chains than Pearl Jam.
Wrong Way,Never Say Die,Young Grow Old,Illusion,Unforgiven...nothing like the type of Grunge PJ does/did.

Please....Creed isn't even fit to be mentioned as the same sentence as AIC. Scott Stapp can't hold a candle to Layne Staley in any way shape or form and Jerry Cantrell is seven kinds of more incredible than Tremonti.

jag

[Addendum]

Alice In Chains and even early Pearl Jam were pretty damn raw (as was Soundgarden). I do agree with you that the sound has become very homogenized and watered down. It's become corporatized, basically. Creed was kind of at the forefront of that corporatized version of grunge, IMHO. Maybe that's why I've never really cared for them all that much. They're mediocre and marginalized in the face of the bands that came before them that they most certainly owe their sound and very existence to. Bands like them and Nickelback are "safe" rebellious music. The bands that came before them were truly groundbreaking musically and pushed the envelope musically despite and in spite of their own limitations (thinking mostly of Cobain on that statement) and payed homage, lyrically speaking, to the punk influences that inspired them without it becoming washed out or watered down in the process. Corporate rock is annoying and I really think of bands like Nickelback and Creed when I think of the term "corporate rock". I call it "Beer Commercial Music".

jag

I agree, even though I was never into Pearl Jam or Nirvana.

[Corey]

Please....Creed isn't even fit to be mentioned as the same sentence as AIC. Scott Stapp can't hold a candle to Layne Staley in any way shape or form and Jerry Cantrell is seven kinds of more incredible than Tremonti.

jag


Tremonti, technically speaking, isn't the cleanest guitar player. I mean, by higher echelon guitar playing standards, he's kind of sloppy. But, unless you're looking for it, or you are a musician yourself, you probably won't notice it. Never is it jarring or distracting. To me, it just comes down to splitting hairs. He is a tremendously gifted guitarist and song writer. He's so good at creating distinct melody and harmony/counter harmony lines, it's not even funny. The guy knows how to craft riffs, melodies, and songs.

Just like Santana. Carlos is sort of enamered as a guitar god, yet he has his own little limitations as well. That being, he kind of tends to recycle the same lick over and over--and that's what he builds most of his solos and interludes off of. Now, you'll hear guitarists say, "He sucks", but I think it's all snobbish pedentics. To me, that's what creates his "sound". You can hear a guitar lick for the first time, and immediately know it's Carlos Santana.

Jerry Cantrell is a great guitarist. I've only seen a few clips of him live, so I don't really have the full scope of who he is as a guitarist, but I'd have to say they're pretty much equal--just different styles. I don't really see anything that Jerry does that blows Mark out of the water or anything.

[jaguarr]

Tremonti, technically speaking, isn't the cleanest guitar player. I mean, by higher echelon guitar playing standards, he's kind of sloppy. But, unless you're looking for it, or you are a musician yourself, you probably won't notice it. Never is it jarring or distracting. To me, it just comes down to splitting hairs. He is a tremendously gifted guitarist and song writer. He's so good at creating distinct melody and harmony/counter harmony lines, it's not even funny. The guy knows how to craft riffs, melodies, and songs.

I'm a musician, which is a large part of my critical evaluation of other musicians. It's what other musicians do to one another...tear each other to ribbons. :D Tremonti is not a BAD guitarist or songwriter by any means. I find much of what he does to be pretty derivative, though. Maybe he'll branch out and really discover his own innovative style, but so much of what I have heard sounds like "me too" answers to other guitarist's work.


Just like Santana. Carlos is sort of enamered as a guitar god, yet he has his own little limitations as well. That being, he kind of tends to recycle the same lick over and over--and that's what he builds most of his solos and interludes off of. Now, you'll hear guitarists say, "He sucks", but I think it's all snobbish pedentics. To me, that's what creates his "sound". You can hear a guitar lick for the first time, and immediately know it's Carlos Santana.

Ehhh.....Santana was an innovator who created an entire sound based on taking Latin rooted music and jazz to the electric guitar and the rock format at a time when no one had ever done that before and everyone was trying to copycat Hendrix. He blazed his own trail. I wouldn't call Tremonti "just like Santana" by any stretch of the imagination.


Jerry Cantrell is a great guitarist. I've only seen a few clips of him live, so I don't really have the full scope of who he is as a guitarist, but I'd have to say they're pretty much equal--just different styles. I don't really see anything that Jerry does that blows Mark out of the water or anything.

Technically speaking, Cantrell is a superior guitarist. That's not a dig on Tremonti's ability, but he is simply not in the same league as Cantrell. Sorry.

jag

[Heretic]

Alice In Chains and even early Pearl Jam were pretty damn raw (as was Soundgarden). I do agree with you that the sound has become very homogenized and watered down. It's become corporatized, basically. Creed was kind of at the forefront of that corporatized version of grunge, IMHO. Maybe that's why I've never really cared for them all that much. They're mediocre and marginalized in the face of the bands that came before them that they most certainly owe their sound and very existence to. Bands like them and Nickelback are "safe" rebellious music. The bands that came before them were truly groundbreaking musically and pushed the envelope musically despite and in spite of their own limitations (thinking mostly of Cobain on that statement) and payed homage, lyrically speaking, to the punk influences that inspired them without it becoming washed out or watered down in the process. Corporate rock is annoying and I really think of bands like Nickelback and Creed when I think of the term "corporate rock". I call it "Beer Commercial Music".

jag

Pearl Jam never really had an "early" period as the band had already signed a record deal before Eddie Vedder even joined the band...but I do feel like Ten (far and away their best album...and one of the best of all time) was a more heartfelt and emotional album, if thats what you mean. I really like Soundgardens early work, like Screaming Life, Fopp, Louder Than Love...the real whacked out stuff that was all over the place. For me, they really lost what made them unique when they started writing "radio hits". Alice In Chains came a little later, if I recall...as I was already well into the Seattle scene before one of the locals (I believe it was Stone Gossard) turned me onto Alice In Chains debut album We Die Young. I wasnt as into them, but looking back, they were far more talented than most of their Grunge brethren (like Jag said...Im looking at YOU Kurt Cobain).

I define what is currently popular as Jock Rock...fake angry music for guys who have nothing to really be angry about. The worst is Rev Theory. Those guys were on a tour with some friends of mine, and I remember them doing a cover of "Hunger Strike" and I almost threw up on the stage. How dare you...

And to weigh in on Cantrell vs Tremonti...I like the sound Cantrell gets out of his guitar better, but I havent heard any songs by him that didnt involve layne Staley that I thought were very memorable. Tremonti's strength is in crafting a good song, which is vital.

[Kargo Warrior]

Please....Creed isn't even fit to be mentioned as the same sentence as AIC. Scott Stapp can't hold a candle to Layne Staley in any way shape or form and Jerry Cantrell is seven kinds of more incredible than Tremonti.

jag


Alice In Chains were a tremendeous band but Jerry Cantrell is one of the most limited guitarists there are,technically speaking.

The usual A5 to D5 power chords with some blues pentatonic solos in between.What made them great was Layne's amazing ability to put his emotions through the song.

For example Nutshell...without his singing it's a simple C-G-E acoustic song.

Mark Tremonti on the other hand uses a lot of different tunings which is very,very rare in Rock and i'm not speaking of the usual drop-D.He's been jamming pretty often latelly with the likes of Steve Vai and one of the reasons he left Creed was that he felt he coudnt show what he is capable of with the type of music the band makes.

To respond to your previous post,just because Creed were not terribly inovative doesn't make them any less great,they weren't ''corporate'' music at all,like i've said in my previous post they were just friends who started to make music,started playing in their home town,became very popular there and one day they a guy from a small label called Wind-Up saw them and sing them up...

...and they didnt became famous over night..the record company went to the local radio stations and gave the single My Own Prison an airplay...and the first night 50 people called to ask who that was and they became bigger and bigger that way through gigs and radio play.

They were a true rock band,whether you like them or not it's a different matter but the fact is they became too big for their own good and after that it all went downhill.

[Marx]

Where do people get the Pearl Jam and Creed comparison? I mean seriously. Neither of the bands sound anything alike at all in terms of their sound. The whole debate needs to stop because they're both great bands.

I love both Pearl Jam and Creed equally. They're two different bands with different sounds and themes in their music. If Creed is ripping off Pearl Jam then so is Nickelback, Lifehouse, early Stone Temple Pilots, and etc.

Truer words were never spoken. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif


(For the record, I am also a fan of Lifehouse and STP.)

[Kargo Warrior]

I'm a musician, which is a large part of my critical evaluation of other musicians. It's what other musicians do to one another...tear each other to ribbons. :D Tremonti is not a BAD guitarist or songwriter by any means. I find much of what he does to be pretty derivative, though. Maybe he'll branch out and really discover his own innovative style, but so much of what I have heard sounds like "me too" answers to other guitarist's work.



Ehhh.....Santana was an innovator who created an entire sound based on taking Latin rooted music and jazz to the electric guitar and the rock format at a time when no one had ever done that before and everyone was trying to copycat Hendrix. He blazed his own trail. I wouldn't call Tremonti "just like Santana" by any stretch of the imagination.



Technically speaking, Cantrell is a superior guitarist. That's not a dig on Tremonti's ability, but he is simply not in the same league as Cantrell. Sorry.

jag

You might not like Creed but you obviously have never heard/seen Mark Tremonti play...

I play everything from Vai to Nuno Bettencourt to Marty Friedman..i was in the whole shred metal movement for years and from that stand point Tremonti is a mile better technical guitarist than Cantrell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1elpMjZ4wE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_tfOf7Wqaw

[Corey]

I'm a musician, which is a large part of my critical evaluation of other musicians. It's what other musicians do to one another...tear each other to ribbons. :D

Right, and we all do it to a certain extent, but some people just lose their minds and go too far. "That was the laziest Aolean legatto I've ever seen! How dare he even strap on a guitar?!"


Tremonti is not a BAD guitarist or songwriter by any means. I find much of what he does to be pretty derivative, though. Maybe he'll branch out and really discover his own innovative style, but so much of what I have heard sounds like "me too" answers to other guitarist's work.

See, I'm just not seeing what you're seeing. I don't see him as being a blocky musician at all. He totally has his own voice on the guitar--he's not copying anybody, you can tell. I mean, do you really need to be pushy/groundbreaking/ahead of the times in order for people to see that your playing from your heart? I mean, is that a prerequisite?





Ehhh.....Santana was an innovator who created an entire sound based on taking Latin rooted music and jazz to the electric guitar and the rock format at a time when no one had ever done that before and everyone was trying to copycat Hendrix. I would call Tremonti "just like Santana" by any stretch of the imagination.

There again, why does it have to be groundbreaking? And for the record, I love Santana, I was just taking a small inuendo of a certain part of their playing style, and drew a comparison to make a point. I didn't say Tremonti was just like Santana. You're right--Santana helped push that style of guitar to the forefront, and created a movement. In that sense alone, he's greater.



Technically speaking, Cantrell is a superior guitarist. That's not a dig on Tremonti's ability, but he is simply not in the same league as Cantrell. Sorry.

jag


Interesting. How do you mean? Can you help us understand what you mean? I'll have to check out some videos of Cantrell doing his thing. Any you'd recommend? It wouldn't surprise me if that's the case. Still, to me, I consider a great musician to be someone who can skillfully evoke their heart and soul through their instrument, to the point where it's like an ampendage. I'd take that over someone just noodling complex music theory on their instrument with pinpoint precision--for the sake of being complex--any day.




To each their own. That's what makes music great.

[Marx]

I would rather shove a fork in my ear than listen to Creed.

It has nothing to with them being Christian in influence. Several self-defined Christian bands are at least tolerable to listen to, if I don't pay attention to the words they are singing. However, Creed's lead singer has an annoying voice and most of their songs are poorly written and performed, so I have very little patience for this one particular band.

I'm thinking you've never seen them live. (Or listened to them at all man!) I guess I'm going to have to kidnap you and take you to a reunion show! :funny:

[jaguarr]

Pearl Jam never really had an "early" period as the band had already signed a record deal before Eddie Vedder even joined the band...but I do feel like Ten (far and away their best album...and one of the best of all time) was a more heartfelt and emotional album, if thats what you mean.

Yeah, I was thinking of "Ten" when I wrote that.


I really like Soundgardens early work, like Screaming Life, Fopp, Louder Than Love...the real whacked out stuff that was all over the place. For me, they really lost what made them unique when they started writing "radio hits".

I'd add "UltramegaOK" and "Badmotorfinger" to that list. "Superunknown" is when they really started to write what you and I would probably both call "radio hits". But, yeah, "Louder Than Love" is one of my favorite workout albums. :up:


Alice In Chains came a little later, if I recall...as I was already well into the Seattle scene before one of the locals (I believe it was Stone Gossard) turned me onto Alice In Chains debut album We Die Young. I wasnt as into them, but looking back, they were far more talented than most of their Grunge brethren (like Jag said...Im looking at YOU Kurt Cobain).

I always wonder what the face of rock music would look like today if Cobain and Staley were still around. They were both about pushing the envelope and exploring new territories and sounds.


I define what is currently popular as Jock Rock...fake angry music for guys who have nothing to really be angry about. The worst is Rev Theory. Those guys were on a tour with some friends of mine, and I remember them doing a cover of "Hunger Strike" and I almost threw up on the stage. How dare you...

Okay, the thought of Rev Theory trying to play that song amuses me for some reason. :D


And to weigh in on Cantrell vs Tremonti...I like the sound Cantrell gets out of his guitar better, but I havent heard any songs by him that didnt involve layne Staley that I thought were very memorable. Tremonti's strength is in crafting a good song, which is vital.

Possibly true. My only real exposure to Tremonti is Creed and some Alterbridge stuff, and he simply has not impressed me at all on anything of his that I've heard.

Alice In Chains were a tremendeous band but Jerry Cantrell is one of the most limited guitarists there are,technically speaking.

The usual A5 to D5 power chords with some blues pentatonic solos in between.What made them great was Layne's amazing ability to put his emotions through the song.

No argument that Layne's voice was what made that band's sound (Cantrell's accompanying harmonies not withstanding). Being a singer, that's what I listened to more than anything when I first heard those AIC songs back in the day.


For example Nutshell...without his singing it's a simple C-G-E acoustic song.

Mark Tremonti on the other hand uses a lot of different tunings which is very,very rare in Rock and i'm not speaking of the usual drop-D.He's been jamming pretty often latelly with the likes of Steve Vai and one of the reasons he left Creed was that he felt he coudnt show what he is capable of with the type of music the band makes.

Well, Vai's good company, particularly from a technical perspective (I have seen Vai live a few times and he's much more capable of squeezing emotion out of an axe than people give him credit for). My exposure to Tremonti is his Creed stuff (horribly derivative) and his Alterbridge stuff (the stuff that made me think he wasn't so bad). I've not heard any of his solo stuff. But, yeah, I could see where he felt limited in Creed.


To respond to your previous post,just because Creed were not terribly inovative doesn't make them any less great,they weren't ''corporate'' music at all,like i've said in my previous post they were just friends who started to make music,started playing in their home town,became very popular there and one day they a guy from a small label called Wind-Up saw them and sing them up...

I said they were at the forefront of that watered down Grunge wanna-be sound that eventually came to epitomize "corporate rock". Maybe they didn't start out being "corporate rock" but they sure did become the poster boys for it simply by playing the music that they did. I still find the music Creed made to be a watered down ghost of many grunge bands that preceded them. *shrug*


...and they didnt became famous over night..the record company went to the local radio stations and gave the single My Own Prison an airplay...and the first night 50 people called to ask who that was and they became bigger and bigger that way through gigs and radio play.

They were a true rock band,whether you like them or not it's a different matter but the fact is they became too big for their own good and after that it all went downhill.

I never said they weren't a true rock band. I just said they weren't an innovative rock band. I said they came to epitomize "corporate rock". I said that their music was awatered-down, homogenized version of many grunge bands before them. I never said they weren't a true rock band. And I don't care if they became popular or not. I live in a country where Britney Spears tops the charts, so that means jack-all to me.

You might not like Creed but you obviously have never heard/seen Mark Tremonti play...

Only heard his Creed and Alterbridge stuff.


I play everything from Vai to Nuno Bettencourt to Marty Friedman..i was in the whole shred metal movement for years and from that stand point Tremonti is a mile better technical guitarist than Cantrell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1elpMjZ4wE&feature=related

Jesus H. Christ! Could he use any more delay in the first part of that clip? That sounded like ****! :down I'll be honest....them's some sloppy sweeps, man. [/quote]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_tfOf7Wqaw

Okay, a little better technique involved on this solo, but I have to say that I absolutely hate the tone he uses. It makes him sound like a much, much sloppier player than he actually is. His technique isn't bad, but as far as composition goes, even in an improvisational setting, I'm not overly impressed. There's no real structure or substance going on in what he's playing, to be honest.

jag

[Raiden]

Exactly...the thing is,most people who make the comparison are usually not fans of either band...it just stuck with them and it has never left.

If anything Creed are more alike with Alice In Chains than Pearl Jam.
Wrong Way,Never Say Die,Young Grow Old,Illusion,Unforgiven...nothing like the type of Grunge PJ does/did.

I'm not a big fan of Creed, but I'm definitely a fan of Pearl Jam. I brought their debut album "Ten" back when I was in college, and while their songs over the years don't always resonate with me I still like and support this band.

[Kargo Warrior]

I'm not a big fan of Creed, but I'm definitely a fan of Pearl Jam. I brought their debut album "Ten" back when I was in college, and while their songs over the years don't always resonate with me I still like and support this band.

I love Pearl Jam..no doubt my favorite band along with Stone Roses.

But Creed and Pearl Jam have very little in common musically,Creed's sound is more taken out of Led Zep's with some Eastern influences whereas Pearl Jam is more with some classic rock in the vain of Neil Young with a bluesy feel.

I like Creed a lot and my affinity towards PJ doesnt lower that in the slightest.

[Kargo Warrior]

BTW Jaguarr i'm really interested in your music influences beside Grunge.

If you care to share,of course.

[The Chairman]

Do we really need this? Of all the far better bands out there that could and should reunite, we need a ****ing Creed reunion?

[jaguarr]

BTW Jaguarr i'm really interested in your music influences beside Grunge.

If you care to share,of course.

Grunge is by far not my biggest influence. I'm more rooted in the blues. Grew up on Robert Johnson, Big Bill Broonzy, Albert Collins, B.B. King. Also grew up playing trumpet and playing a lot of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Paganini and much more, in addition to all the big-band swing stuff (Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Glenn Miller, etc.) and dixieland, symphonic music, marching band stuff, crappy pep band charts, etc. Later I got into Stevie Ray, Roy Rogers, Jeff Healey, Robert Cray, Taj Mahal, etc. Also a lot of blues influenced hard rock: Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, AC/DC, Ozzy (mostly when Rhodes was still alive), tons of 80's hair bands too countless to mention as well as all the neo-classical shredders back in the day like Friedman, Yngwie, Vinnie Moore, etc. Also listened to some punk (Butthole Surfers, early RHCP, Black Flag, Bad Brains). Of course I love the classics like Zep, Queen, Yes, King Crimson, early Dire Straits, The Who, Beatles, Stones. Most of the stuff I listen to these days is either in the blues vein (Joe Bonamassa!) or the blues-rock vein (Black Crowes, Jaded Sun), though I've recently been on a rock-chick bent, listening to bands like Betty Blowtorch and Crucified Barbara. We also listen to alot of flamenco players in my house as my wife is Spanish and loves that kind of music (Jesse Cook, Paco de Lucia, Ottmar, etc.) About the only things I'm not a fan of, really, are country and rap. So, pretty wide swath of stuff, really. My musical tastes go straight past "eclectic" to "schizophrenic".

jag

[DBella]

We need a Music forum/Sub-Forum, gosh darn it.

That would be nice! I'm really surprised that there isn't one.
It just might happen. :ninja:

[Heretic]

Albert Collins is what its all about. I wish he was still alive so he could write more songs about ice...he should have done the Batman And Robin soundtrack.

Jag...send me a link to some of your tunes. Id like to hear what youve got.

[Lighthouse]

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Lighthouse27/flash5eb9.jpg

"Scott Stapp is ALIVE?"

[DBella]

I always thought that Creed was trying to sound like Pearl Jam.
Other than the similarity in Stapp's and Veder's voices, I don't think that Creed and Pearl Jam sound the same, or alike, musically.

I admit that I do enjoy Creed's music (but I love PJ more... TEN is one of my favorite albums) but after they disbanded, it doesn't matter to me if they reunite or not. If they reunite and are able to re-create the 'magic' of what once was, I'd welcome it.

[Kargo Warrior]

Grunge is by far not my biggest influence. I'm more rooted in the blues. Grew up on Robert Johnson, Big Bill Broonzy, Albert Collins, B.B. King. Also grew up playing trumpet and playing a lot of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Paganini and much more, in addition to all the big-band swing stuff (Count Basie, Duke Ellington, Glenn Miller, etc.) and dixieland, symphonic music, marching band stuff, crappy pep band charts, etc. Later I got into Stevie Ray, Roy Rogers, Jeff Healey, Robert Cray, Taj Mahal, etc. Also a lot of blues influenced hard rock: Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, AC/DC, Ozzy (mostly when Rhodes was still alive), tons of 80's hair bands too countless to mention as well as all the neo-classical shredders back in the day like Friedman, Yngwie, Vinnie Moore, etc. Also listened to some punk (Butthole Surfers, early RHCP, Black Flag, Bad Brains). Of course I love the classics like Zep, Queen, Yes, King Crimson, early Dire Straits, The Who, Beatles, Stones. Most of the stuff I listen to these days is either in the blues vein (Joe Bonamassa!) or the blues-rock vein (Black Crowes, Jaded Sun), though I've recently been on a rock-chick bent, listening to bands like Betty Blowtorch and Crucified Barbara. We also listen to alot of flamenco players in my house as my wife is Spanish and loves that kind of music (Jesse Cook, Paco de Lucia, Ottmar, etc.) About the only things I'm not a fan of, really, are country and rap. So, pretty wide swath of stuff, really. My musical tastes go straight past "eclectic" to "schizophrenic".

jag

A lot of great musicians there,Robert Johnson,SRV,Robert Cray,Mahal,Randy Rhoads,Black Flag...no wonder you find Creed ordinary :woot:.

Anyway,from classical music i grew up with (i'm a musician too) more Baroque:Bach,Vivaldi,Handel...plus Rachmaninov,Beethoven,Satie.

Jazz/Fusion:Metheny,Pastorius,Miles,Coltrane,Ellington, Di Meola,Mahavishnu,Frank Gambale,Shawn Lane

Rock/Pop/Metal:Stone Roses,PJ,Alice In Chains,Dream Theater,Opeth,Early Metallica,Pantera,Jeff Buckley,Faith No More,The Smiths,Blur,Nick Drake,Pavement

Btw since you like flamenco have you listened to this duo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNc5o9TU0t0

Beautiful stuff

[Lighthouse]

I am completely unable to listen to Pearl Jam or Nirvana anymore. Used to love them, but radio has absolutely killed them for me. Anytime I hear a PJ or Nirvana song, I change the station.

[AlteredEgo]

can this be moved to the celebrities forum or something. or to the wanted comics forum. i dont care, just somewhere i don't have to see this thread. it makes me sad. :csad:

[Heretic]

I am completely unable to listen to Pearl Jam or Nirvana anymore. Used to love them, but radio has absolutely killed them for me. Anytime I hear a PJ or Nirvana song, I change the station.

The best way to avoid getting sick of hearing a song on the radio is by not listening to the radio. When you have to fend for yourself musically, without the local radio station telling you what is good, you end up dscovering lots of bands youd never have heard of otherwise, and enjoying your favorites that end up being hits.

[jaguarr]

Albert Collins is what its all about. I wish he was still alive so he could write more songs about ice...he should have done the Batman And Robin soundtrack.

:funny: He sure did go out of his way to make people know he was THE "Iceman"!

Jag...send me a link to some of your tunes. Id like to hear what youve got.

Sure thing. I have some stuff from the blues-rock band I sang in (pretty much covers) and some electronica stuff I dabble in these days I'll send you a link to.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Lighthouse27/flash5eb9.jpg

"Scott Stapp is ALIVE?"

:lmao:

A lot of great musicians there,Robert Johnson,SRV,Robert Cray,Mahal,Randy Rhoads,Black Flag...no wonder you find Creed ordinary :woot:.

Anyway,from classical music i grew up with (i'm a musician too) more Baroque:Bach,Vivaldi,Handel...plus Rachmaninov,Beethoven,Satie.

Jazz/Fusion:Metheny,Pastorius,Miles,Coltrane,Ellington, Di Meola,Mahavishnu,Frank Gambale,Shawn Lane

Rock/Pop/Metal:Stone Roses,PJ,Alice In Chains,Dream Theater,Opeth,Early Metallica,Pantera,Jeff Buckley,Faith No More,The Smiths,Blur,Nick Drake,Pavement

Other than not being much of a Smiths fan, everything else you've mentioned is well within my listening and/or playing history as well. I like so much stuff and so many great players and artists that it's impossible to name all of them. Truly. But, yeah, now you start to see why maybe I'm not impressed with Creed. :D And...neither one of us mentioned Hendrix. That's practically a crime! :eek:


Btw since you like flamenco have you listened to this duo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNc5o9TU0t0

Beautiful stuff

Ahhh, Rodrigo y Gabriela. Yes, I've heard a lot of their stuff. This is about the only version of "Stairway To Heaven" I can even stomach anymore (that's one song that's been played so much it hurts to listen to it).

jag

[jaguarr]

The best way to avoid getting sick of hearing a song on the radio is by not listening to the radio. When you have to fend for yourself musically, without the local radio station telling you what is good, you end up dscovering lots of bands youd never have heard of otherwise, and enjoying your favorites that end up being hits.

I haven't listened to the radio in years. Pandora is awesome for finding new music, as is finding music related discussion sites (some of which you can...er....get the music directly through. :cwink: ).

jag

[Mee]

Scott Stapp is a douche.
But my radio is lonely for his voice.


Wuth harms wod OH-PUN!

[Marx]

It just might happen. :ninja:

:applaud

Other than the similarity in Stapp's and Veder's voices, I don't think that Creed and Pearl Jam sound the same, or alike, musically.

I admit that I do enjoy Creed's music (but I love PJ more... TEN is one of my favorite albums) but after they disbanded, it doesn't matter to me if they reunite or not. If they reunite and are able to re-create the 'magic' of what once was, I'd welcome it.

I agree Bella. It seems to me that's the 'default argument' - they ripped off Pearl Jam! Actually, no, they didn't. If people actually listened to both bands styles they would know that. If you really want to get into bands that sound the same look at the endless amount of bands that have copied The Used.

[Marx]

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/Lighthouse27/flash5eb9.jpg

"Scott Stapp is ALIVE?"

Yes...and he is reported to be in the best condition (physically and mentally) of his life!

[Green Lantern]

Please....Creed isn't even fit to be mentioned as the same sentence as AIC. Scott Stapp can't hold a candle to Layne Staley in any way shape or form and Jerry Cantrell is seven kinds of more incredible than Tremonti.

jag
Agreed Jag. Having seen both Tremonti (with Alter Bridge) and Cantrell (with the new AiC) live, I have to say that Cantrell is probably the third best guitarist I've had the privilege to enjoy watching caress a guitar. The only two in front of him out of the bands I've seen live are Eric and Eddie. Not saying that Tremonti wasn't great and emotional, but Jerry was on fire. Didn't hurt that I saw him front row and right in front of him.

And while we're talking musical influences, here are the ones who have influenced my own style:
Allen Collins, Eric Clapton, Eddie Van Halen, Hughie Thomasson, Jerry Cantrell, Keith Richards, Joe Perry, Duane Allman, Robert Johnson, George Harrison, Ricky Medlocke, Gary Rossington, Steve Gaines, Ed King...

[jaguarr]

Mmmmmm....Duane Allman and his golden, golden locks!

jag

[Hush]

So just out of curiosity is it bad to like Nickelback jag? I mean I like them alot but people see them as tools. For me when it comes to alternative music i see them as consistent and reliable for good guitar solos (albeit short) and plain old rock out music. Anyone can answer I just ask Jag cause he is the man.

[Heretic]

Here's the correct answer...

Nickleback is popular because over and over again they have written songs that millions of people want to hear. Their place in music is not to be the most talented band, or the most inventive. Writing a hit song is HARD, and they've written a dozen or more.

You should like whatever you like. There is no shame in liking a band that isnt overly talented. I like AC/DC because it's just killer rock n roll...but lets face it...they've written the same album ten times. If Nickleback connects with you, freaking crank it up and enjoy it. You have horrible taste...but who cares?

[Hush]

Yeah i was just looking for opinions cause people say they are tools but i find them awesome.

[jaguarr]

Here's the correct answer...

Nickleback is popular because over and over again they have written songs that millions of people want to hear. Their place in music is not to be the most talented band, or the most inventive. Writing a hit song is HARD, and they've written a dozen or more.

You should like whatever you like. There is no shame in liking a band that isnt overly talented. I like AC/DC because it's just killer rock n roll...but lets face it...they've written the same album ten times. If Nickleback connects with you, freaking crank it up and enjoy it. You have horrible taste...but who cares?

Excellent answer. I concur. :up:

But, yeah...Nickelback are tools. :D

jag

[Shoemeister]

This just proves there is NO God.




Of course, I'm sure Stapp would beg to differ.

[speedracer216]

when did they break up? yesterday? cuz that happens all the time to lame highschool relationships. 24 hr breakups.

lol. didn't even know they "broke up", but i'm guessing everyone ran out of money and someone has christmas shopping to do....

[Marx]

when did they break up? yesterday? cuz that happens all the time to lame highschool relationships. 24 hr breakups.

lol. didn't even know they "broke up", but i'm guessing everyone ran out of money and someone has christmas shopping to do....

As has been said numerous times, they broke up (yes really broke up) in 2004 after a very bitter and very public feud.

[Hush]

Excellent answer. I concur. :up:

But, yeah...Nickelback are tools. :D

jag

YOUR A TOOL! :cmad: but a buff tool so thats ok. :D

[jaguarr]

YOUR A TOOL! :cmad: but a buff tool so thats ok. :D

What? You want to buff my tool? I'm gonna have to ask you to take ten steps back.

jag

[muertevilla]

Excellent answer. I concur. :up:

But, yeah...Nickelback are tools. :D

jag


any band of 30 something year old dudes who go back to their high school to record a music video for a song about reminiscence are total tools. plus, i think that dude does want to buff your tool.

[muertevilla]

BTW... Over two years on SHH and still not even at 1000 posts... I DO HAVE A LIFE!!!!!

[jaguarr]

any band of 30 something year old dudes who go back to their high school to record a music video for a song about reminiscence are total tools. plus, i think that dude does want to buff your tool.

Nahh. Hush is good people. He just needs his balls broken once in awhile.

When did you move to Portland? I thought you were in Texas?

jag

[muertevilla]

Nahh. Hush is good people. He just needs his balls broken once in awhile.

When did you move to Portland? I thought you were in Texas?

jag

i moved over here in august with my womern. we arent living together anymore, but we still together. its nice up here. i like it a lot.

[jaguarr]

i moved over here in august with my womern. we arent living together anymore, but we still together. its nice up here. i like it a lot.

Right on. Portland's a cool town. :up: Did your whole band move up there with you?

jag

[moraldeficiency]

Did stapp run out of whiskey bottles to throw at his wife?

[Marx]

Did stapp run out of whiskey bottles to throw at his wife?

How adult of you MD. :whatever:

For your information, is has been reported that Stapp has been sober for quite a while now.

[muertevilla]

Right on. Portland's a cool town. :up: Did your whole band move up there with you?

jag

nah just me.. but I started a solo project that I am continuing up here.

check it

www.myspace.com/sufferingofjob

[moraldeficiency]

How adult of you MD. :whatever:

For your information, is has been reported that Stapp has been sober for quite a while now.

Yeah, cause throwing bottles at the person you love the most, that kind of thing doesn't deserve to be made fun of or brought up right? Hell if he was john lennon I'd say he was a douche bag for it and he's no john lennon.

[Heretic]

Hell if he was john lennon I'd say he was a douche bag for it and he's no john lennon.

Yes, because The Beatles thought they were bigger than Jesus, and Scott Stapp thinks he IS Jesus.

[Marx]

Yeah, cause throwing bottles at the person you love the most, that kind of thing doesn't deserve to be made fun of or brought up right? Hell if he was john lennon I'd say he was a douche bag for it and he's no john lennon.

I'm not saying that he shouldn't be knocked for it, I'm just saying that he reportedly been sober for quite some time now.

[Heretic]

I'm not saying that he shouldn't be knocked for it, I'm just saying that he reportedly been sober for quite some time now.

Scott Weiland has reportedly been sober ever since the first STP reunion...that was a few arrests ago...so "'reports" dont mean much.

[jaguarr]

Don talkabayaaaaacktuhmeeeee orahhhhhlllllllthrowuhhhbottuhlatchyooooowomannnn!

jag

[AlteredEgo]

Here's the correct answer...

Nickleback is popular because over and over again they have written songs that millions of people want to hear. Their place in music is not to be the most talented band, or the most inventive. Writing a hit song is HARD, and they've written a dozen or more.

You should like whatever you like. There is no shame in liking a band that isnt overly talented. I like AC/DC because it's just killer rock n roll...but lets face it...they've written the same album ten times. If Nickleback connects with you, freaking crank it up and enjoy it. You have horrible taste...but who cares?

that... is the wisest thing i have ever heard. kudos to you sir. :applaud

[Marx]

Scott Weiland has reportedly been sober ever since the first STP reunion...that was a few arrests ago...so "'reports" dont mean much.

I know...

[That-Guy]

If Creed does reunite, they should change their name to CRAP. It would suit them better.

[Marx]

If Creed does reunite, they should change their name to CRAP. It would suit them better.

I disagree. (As do many many others.)

[Motown Marvel]

economic crisis....fighting wars in two countries....milk prices skyrocketing....arent suffering enough right now? do we really need to add creed to this list?

[Addendum]

There's much better music to play while ending it

[LastSunrise1981]

I find it hilarious how some of the Creed haters come into a thread of a band they hate and they feel the need to repeat themselves. Let it be known that Creed has suceeded at being "sucky" and has garnered many awards, critical acclaim, and made loads and loads of money while you sit at home typing away on a comic book forum.

As for reports of Stapp being sober? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see recent pictures of him and see that he looks a lot healthier, happier, and he even cut his hair. He looks really, really good at this moment and I hope it stays that way for him.

[SsM]

I would rather shove a fork in my ear than listen to Creed.

It has nothing to with them being Christian in influence. Several self-defined Christian bands are at least tolerable to listen to, if I don't pay attention to the words they are singing. However, Creed's lead singer has an annoying voice and most of their songs are poorly written and performed, so I have very little patience for this one particular band.
I couldn't say it better myself. It's sad you don't have to have talent to make it big. Stapp gives Christian music a bad name. If he's Sober now I'm glad to hear that :up: .I mainly blame creed for starting the Generic rock sound that we have to listren to today. Nickelback... Theory of a dead man... Three days grace.... I could go on but I'm not.

[The Senator]

I'm thinking you've never seen them live. (Or listened to them at all man!) I guess I'm going to have to kidnap you and take you to a reunion show! :funny:

I will murder you with my bare hands if you even try.

:cwink:

Wait-- scratch that. I'm dead serious. Never mention the idea again, or I'll do to you what Sarah Palin did to that wolf.:nono:

[The Senator]

I couldn't say it better myself. It's sad you don't have to have talent to make it big. Stapp gives Christian music a bad name. If he's Sober now I'm glad to hear that :up: .I mainly blame creed for starting the Generic rock sound that we have to listren to today. Nickelback... Theory of a dead man... Three days grace.... I could go on but I'm not.

Most music these days requires no talent. Hell, I'm not even sure you can call it "music."

Creed sounds like a dishwasher filled with cats which have been gagged and are constantly being stabbed by silver wear.

[Addendum]

I find it hilarious how some of the Creed haters come into a thread of a band they hate and they feel the need to repeat themselves. Let it be known that Creed has suceeded at being "sucky" and has garnered many awards, critical acclaim, and made loads and loads of money while you sit at home typing away on a comic book forum.


**** sells and people are stupid. That doesn't mean that they're talented or great musicians

[SsM]

**** sells and people are stupid. That doesn't mean that they're talented or great musicians Amen to that.

[DBella]

:applaud
Try not to get your hopes up too high though.

I agree Bella. It seems to me that's the 'default argument' - they ripped off Pearl Jam! Actually, no, they didn't. If people actually listened to both bands styles they would know that. If you really want to get into bands that sound the same look at the endless amount of bands that have copied The Used.
Since you agreed with me, I'll agree with you. :D
But yeah... I've nothing else to add. :( :up:

So just out of curiosity is it bad to like Nickelback jag? I mean I like them alot but people see them as tools. For me when it comes to alternative music i see them as consistent and reliable for good guitar solos (albeit short) and plain old rock out music. Anyone can answer I just ask Jag cause he is the man.
Sound like you need an approval from jag and not just his opinion. If you find enjoyment out of listening to Nickelback's music, just be happy about it. If the masses enjoy it, I think they must be doing something right. Doing something that they know what the listeners want. Not everyone is a musical expert and music that are able to reach out to the masses can't be that bad. It may not appeal to everyone, but as long as it appeals to you, that's all that matters.

Listening to the charts these days, I wonder to myself how the heck can some of the tunes even get to be played on the radio and I honestly can't stand quite a lot of them but hey, looks like a lot of people do. Just because I hate those songs, doesn't necessarily mean I have 'better' taste then them or vice versa. That's just the way it is.
Here's the correct answer...

Nickleback is popular because over and over again they have written songs that millions of people want to hear. Their place in music is not to be the most talented band, or the most inventive. Writing a hit song is HARD, and they've written a dozen or more.

You should like whatever you like. There is no shame in liking a band that isnt overly talented. I like AC/DC because it's just killer rock n roll...but lets face it...they've written the same album ten times. If Nickleback connects with you, freaking crank it up and enjoy it. You have horrible taste...but who cares?
Very well said, sir.

Yeah i was just looking for opinions cause people say they are tools but i find them awesome.
That's all that should matter. If people say you have 'bad taste' for listening to them, so what? Don't let that ruin your enjoyment. It's hard enough to find happiness and if you can find that joy in the few minutes while you're listening to some music that others find to be 'bad', you're better for it.
any band of 30 something year old dudes who go back to their high school to record a music video for a song about reminiscence are total tools. plus, i think that dude does want to buff your tool.
They may be tools, but they're rich, successful tools. :up: Don't know how long they'll be around but heck, I think they're smart enough to enjoy their success while it lasts.

[The Immortal!]

Three Days Grace is anything but genric and blows Creed outta the water. And I happen to like them both btw.

[Marx]

I find it hilarious how some of the Creed haters come into a thread of a band they hate and they feel the need to repeat themselves. Let it be known that Creed has suceeded at being "sucky" and has garnered many awards, critical acclaim, and made loads and loads of money while you sit at home typing away on a comic book forum.

Yeah...let's go with hilarious. I was thinking of another word, but that'll work. :cwink:


As for reports of Stapp being sober? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see recent pictures of him and see that he looks a lot healthier, happier, and he even cut his hair. He looks really, really good at this moment and I hope it stays that way for him.

I'm quite impressed by his recent pics. He does look alot healthier, and happier. I was surprised that he cut all of his hair off though!

I will murder you with my bare hands if you even try.

:cwink:

Wait-- scratch that. I'm dead serious. Never mention the idea again, or I'll do to you what Sarah Palin did to that wolf.:nono:

:lmao:

:oldrazz:
:csad:
:waa:

[Marx]

**** sells and people are stupid. That doesn't mean that they're talented or great musicians

How anyone can say (with a straight face) that Creed has no talent and are not good musicians is laughable.

[SPIDER-MAN-ROX]

http://www.creed.com/

ORIGINAL CREED LINE-UP OF SCOTT STAPP, MARK TREMONTI, SCOTT PHILLIPS AND BRIAN MARSHALL PLAN SUMMER TOUR AND NEW ALBUM

April 27, 2009 - Orlando, FL - Creed, one of the most successful rock bands of the past decade, has announced all four of the original band members are back together for a summer tour and new album. Since their formation, Creed has sold close to thirty-five million albums and millions of concert tickets.

The songwriting team of Stapp and Tremonti are considered one of the most prolific in rock history. Their collaborations delivered numerous chart-topping records that are a testament to the enormity and success of Creed. The band was the first act to have seven consecutive number one rock radio singles, four of which came off of the debut album. Their third album, Weathered, tied The Beatles Anthology, for the most consecutive weeks at Number One on Billboard’s Top 200 chart (eight weeks since the beginning of the SoundScan era (1991).

The band’s debut, My Own Prison, was released on August 26, 1997 and has sold over six million copies in the U.S. The follow-up, Human Clay, was distributed on September 28, 1999 and certified Diamond for sales in excess of 11 million copies. The band’s last studio album, Weathered, was released on November 20, 2001 and sold six million plus. In November 2004, Creed Greatest Hits was released, and has sold two million copies. The band was voted Favorite Group in 2003 on the People’s Choice Awards and won numerous American Music Awards, Billboard Music Awards and others including the Grammy Award for best Rock Song in 2001 for "With Arms Wide Open."

On reuniting, guitarist Mark Tremonti stated, "We're all very excited to reconnect with our fans and each other after six long years." Drummer Scott Phillips added, "Our career as Creed came to a very abrupt and unforeseen ending. After reflecting on some of the greatest personal and professional moments of our lives, we've come to realize that we are still very capable of continuing that career and our friendship on a grander scale than ever before." Bassist Brian Marshall continues, "This is a development we are all happy about. It has been a long time since the four of us have taken the stage together, and without hesitation or reservation this is something all of us are in to. The anticipation to get back out there is electrifying. Singer Scott Stapp concluded, "Its amazing how life can change and bring you full circle. Time gave us all a chance to reflect, grow and gain a deeper appreciation of our friendships, artistic chemistry, passion for music, and sincere love for our fans! It's rare in life to get a second chance to make a first impression and we embrace the opportunity. We all believe the BEST IS YET TO COME!"

The band has also teamed with I Love All Access to provide a variety of VIP ticket packages for the tour, including premium seats, meet and greets, photo ops, parties and more. For more information visit www.ILoveAllAccess.com.

The complete itinerary is as follows:

DATE CITY On-SALE
Thu/Aug-06 Pittsburgh PA 9-May
Sat/Aug-08 Darien Lakes NY 9-May
Sun/Aug-09 Hershey PA 9-May
Tue/Aug-11 Saratoga Springs NY 9-May
Thu/Aug-13 Philadelphia PA 9-May
Sat/Aug-15 Wantagh NY 9-May
Sun/Aug-16 Holmdel NJ 9-May
Tue/Aug-18 Boston MA 9-May
Thu/Aug-20 Hartford, CT 9-May
Fri/Aug-21 Washington DC 8-May
Sat/Aug-22 Virginia Beach VA 9-May
Tue/Aug-25 Detroit MI 30-May
Wed/Aug-26 Cleveland OH 9-May
Fri/Aug-28 Cincinnati OH 9-May
Sat/Aug-29 Indianapolis IN 9-May
Sun/Aug-30 Chicago IL 9-May
Tue/Sept-1 Milwaukee 9-May
Wed /Sept-2 Columbus OH 30-May
Fri/Sept-4 Raleigh NC 15-May
Sat/Sept-5 Charlotte NC 15-May
Fri/Sept-11 Atlanta GA 30-May
Sat/Sept-12 Birmingham AL 30-May
Tue/Sept-15 Orlando FL 9-May
Wed/Sept-16 West Palm Beach FL 9-May
Fri/Sept-18 Lafayette LA 16-May
Sat/Sept-19 New Orleans LA 16-May
Sun /Sept-20 Bossier City LA 16-May
Tue/Sept-22 Dallas TX 9-May
Thu/Sept-24 San Antonio TX 9-May
Fri/Sept-25 Houston TX 9-May
Sun/Sept-27 Las Vegas NV 9-May
Tue/Sept-29 Glendale AZ 16-May
Wed/Sept-30 Irvine CA 30-May
Fri/Oct-2 Salt Lake City UT 30-May
Sat/Oct-3 Denver CO 30-May
Tue/Oct-6 Minneapolis MN 30-May
Wed/Oct-7 Omaha NE 30-May
Fri/Oct-9 Tulsa OK 30-May
Sat/Oct-10 Kansas City MO 30-May
Tue/Oct-13 St Louis MO 16-May
Wed/Oct-14 Nashville TN 30-May

[LastSunrise1981]

Great news. I knew it would happen eventually and I'm eager to hear the new material they have planned. Let's just hope Stapp can keep his **** together this time around.

[RAMORE]

My friend from high school Jaclyn is married to him so hopefully she can help him with that.

[LastSunrise1981]

Really? That's cool. Creed was one of my favorite bands at the height of their popularity. I have all of their albums and even their music videos recorded, as well as their Behind The Music special on VH1. I loved the band and still do enjoy their music whenever I listen to it.

Mark Tremonti said the only way Creed would get back together is if hell froze over or if it's for world peace. I guess both of them happened then, huh? :woot::oldrazz:

[theShape]

Oh, yay. Creed's back. :dry:

[Kel]

Cool, I'll have to get tickets to the Houston Concert.

[Kargo Warrior]

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ailbhy.jpg

[Sawyer]

Oh, yay. Creed's back. :dry:

Pretty much my instant reaction to this news. It's just like "do they really need to do this to us?" :csad:

[Kel]

I like the fact that I can go to their concertsi, enjoy their music and not worry about the drug dog slobbering all over my purse the next day because of the smell of weed from people smoking it all around me at a concert.

[LastSunrise1981]

It's funny how people say they don't care yet they feel the need to come into a thread pertaining to a Creed reunion. Really? You don't like it, don't post in the thread or read about their reunion.

But for me I just hope that this lasts for the fans and hopefully they can finish a new album. It'll be great to see them play the classics and some new material as well.

[Sawyer]

It's funny how people say they don't care yet they feel the need to come into a thread pertaining to a Creed reunion. Really? You don't like it, don't post in the thread or read about their reunion.

But for me I just hope that this lasts for the fans and hopefully they can finish a new album. It'll be great to see them play the classics and some new material as well.

Was it specified that people who dont like them cant post here? Did I miss that? Cause, hell, just about every thread I've been in have had differences of opinion. I dont see why this should be any different...

[LastSunrise1981]

Was it specified that people who dont like them cant post here? Did I miss that? Cause, hell, just about every thread I've been in have had differences of opinion. I dont see why this should be any different...

The point is if you don't care for the music or care for the band then perhaps people shouldn't post in a thread regarding a reunion tour? Especially if you heard the news earlier and didn't care then, why post about it if you don't care?

[Sawyer]

The point is if you don't care for the music or care for the band then perhaps people shouldn't post in a thread regarding a reunion tour? Especially if you heard the news earlier and didn't care then, why post about it if you don't care?

Well, I cant speak for anyone else, but this is the first I've heard of it.

[kane9321]

sweet...creed is awesome

[LastSunrise1981]

I wonder if Tremonti is going to display some more of the metal guitar work he's been wanting to do in Creed's music? I remember he's said time and time again he wanted to showcase more complicated guitar arrangements in Creed's music.

[SPIDER-MAN-ROX]

I wonder if Tremonti is going to display some more of the metal guitar work he's been wanting to do in Creed's music? I remember he's said time and time again he wanted to showcase more complicated guitar arrangements in Creed's music.

That would be great, Mark has done some pretty good guitar arrangements with Alterbridge over the past few years & I am looking forward to hearing what new guitar arrangements he comes up with for the fourth CREED album.

[The Chairman]

"Wif armz wod opun!"

We don't need this. At all.

[theShape]

The point is if you don't care for the music or care for the band then perhaps people shouldn't post in a thread regarding a reunion tour? Especially if you heard the news earlier and didn't care then, why post about it if you don't care?

Different thread, same BS...


I like the fact that I can go to their concertsi, enjoy their music and not worry about the drug dog slobbering all over my purse the next day because of the smell of weed from people smoking it all around me at a concert.

We get it. You hate weed. But that was a dumb comment.

[Cmill216]

This is, like, the second Creed thread announcing their return. I'd merge this with the other one, but that would require me to do a search for Creed.

They don't deserve that kind of attention.

[Jake Cassidy]

Forget Creed. I want Skid Row back. The original with Sebastian Bach. Now that's rock. :)

[steintym]

I think this is actually pretty cool news. Are they the greatest band? No, but I do enjoy their music. I think Tremonti is very underrated.

[Gallagher]

Creed are back together yet System of a Down stay on 'Hiatus'? There is no justice in this world.

At least a Soundgarden reunion is looking likely :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

Creed are back together yet System of a Down stay on 'Hiatus'? There is no justice in this world.

At least a Soundgarden reunion is looking likely :up:

You know color me blind or whatever, but I never did see the big deal with SOAD. I mean they did have some songs that I liked. For instance I like Sugar, Chop Suey, Streamline, Aerials, Question, and that's about it honestly which obviously are their singles. But I was never sold on their talent or their musicianship.

Creed, while not the greatest band in the world, is very talented and have capable musicians that create great music. Of course this is just my opinion.

Soundgarden is getting back together? That's awesome. I've been listening to a lot of Soundgarden lately. :up:

[Gallagher]

Well, Soundgarden minus Chris Cornell played a gig the other week and Cornell said it was very interesting to see them play again and never ruled out the posibility of a full-blown reunion.

In my opinion Cornell needs Soundgarden again, he's managed to get some good stuff out with Audioslave and his previous Solo attempts but 'Scream' is utter trash, even from a guy who's into dance music. He'd be an idiot not to at least talk with the rest of the band again.

[Marx]

CREED TICKETS FOR MY AREA GO ON SALE NEXT WEEK!!!!

I'm so excited! :applaud

[Drakon]

Merged.

[Marx]

The first post has been updated with the list of tour dates.

[SsM]

Oh Marx.... not you too.....

[Marx]

Oh Marx.... not you too.....

I have been a HUGE Creed fan since the very beginning! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[SsM]

Creed are back together yet System of a Down stay on 'Hiatus'? There is no justice in this world.

At least a Soundgarden reunion is looking likely :up:


SOURCE PLEASE?!!!!!

Last I heard everyone except Cornell have been playing gigs together.

[Gallagher]

SOURCE PLEASE?!!!!!

Last I heard everyone except Cornell have been playing gigs together.

Well here's Cornell talking about the gigs the rest of SG have been playing:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/chris_cornell_on_soundgarden_near-reunion.html

Seems like a possibility to me, albiet a slight one, especially if Cornell is talking out of his arse.

[The Apatow Crew]

The first post has been updated with the list of tour dates. Are you super cereal?

I wonder if Pa is on the list. I've liked them since the start.

[Marx]

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ailbhy.jpg

It's still weird to see Stapp with short hair! He does seem to be very healthy and happy these days though, so that's good.

[Marx]

Are you super cereal?

Super cereal? :huh:

I wonder if Pa is on the list. I've liked them since the start.

Tour Dates for Pennsylvania
Thu/Aug-06 Pittsburgh PA (9-May)
Sun/Aug-09 Hershey PA (9-May)

[The Apatow Crew]

It's still weird to see Stapp with short hair! He does seem to be very healthy and happy these days though, so that's good.Damn, he has no hair. looks like a totally different guy. But yeah thats good that he's better.

[The Apatow Crew]

Super cereal? :huh:



Tour Dates for Pennsylvania

Thu/Aug-06 Pittsburgh PA (9-May)
Sun/Aug-09 Hershey PA (9-May)Its a thing from South park. Where Al gore would go i'm super cereal. Like saying he's serious.


Damn I live on the wrong side of the state. Thats like a 6 hour drive or more.

[Gallagher]

Damn I live on the wrong side of the state. Thats like a 6 hour drive or more.

He's super-cereal guys!

[Marx]

Its a thing from South park. Where Al gore would go i'm super cereal. Like saying he's serious.


Damn I live on the wrong side of the state. Thats like a 6 hour drive or more.

Is this any better?

New York Tour Dates
Sat/Aug-08 Darien Lakes NY (9-May)
Tue/Aug-11 Saratoga Springs NY (9-May)
Sat/Aug-15 Wantagh NY (9-May)

New Jersey Tour Dates
Sun/Aug-16 Holmdel NJ (9-May)

[The Apatow Crew]

Is this any better?

New York Tour Dates

Sat/Aug-08 Darien Lakes NY (9-May)
Tue/Aug-11 Saratoga Springs NY (9-May)
Sat/Aug-15 Wantagh NY (9-May)

New Jersey Tour Dates
Sun/Aug-16 Holmdel NJ (9-May)I know its like 3 hours to NY for me. And I think its like 4 or so for Hershey also.

So does this tour mean were gonna get a new album in the future?

[SWAT]

I never got into Creed because of Stapp's vocals. Then I saw Alter Bridge and it was love. and I doubt I like what Creed going to make now... But, Alter Bridge third CD and Myles solo CD is going to rock.
I always liked this quote by Tremonti:
"What do you say to the Creed fans who are holding their breath for a Creed reunion?"
"You're going to die."
:csad:

[Marx]

I got my tickets! :applaud

[Marx]

edit

[Marx]

CREED: FULL CIRCLE

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/ebat9/CreedFullCircle.jpg

The new album will be released on 10.27.09!

:applaud

[The Apatow Crew]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!

[Marx]

NEW CREED!!!

'Overcome'
lXIhBmBgoJI

:applaud

[The Apatow Crew]

Nice, the intro sounds great.

[Marx]

Nice, the intro sounds great.

Yeah, I am so excited! I'm going to see them friday night! :yay:

[The Apatow Crew]

Yeah, I am so excited! I'm going to see them friday night! :yay:Thats cool, you gotta them me how it was and what the new songs are like.

They were in my area a few weeks ago.

[Marx]

Thats cool, you gotta them me how it was and what the new songs are like.

They were in my area a few weeks ago.

Definitely! I'll come back with a full report! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[The Apatow Crew]

Definitely! I'll come back with a full report! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gifThanks. Its good were getting a new album so soon, I didn't expect to sometimes next year.

[Marx]

CREED - Say I (live in Pittsburgh 8.6.09)

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[Marx]

CREED - My Own Prison (live in Pittsburgh 8.6.09)

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[Bunker]

God awful as always. :up:

[Marx]

CREED - What If (live in Pittsburgh)

l3qVSbT_aU

It's so great to see Scott and Mark on stage again with the same old chemistry like nothing has changed! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Marx]

God awful as always. :up:

So...you don't like them...yet you make it a point to come into this thread and trash them anyway?

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

[The Apatow Crew]

So...you don't like them...yet you make it a point to come into this thread and trash them anyway?

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gifI know right? I guess some people just need to have their opinion heard no matter what.

[The Apatow Crew]

CREED - What If (live in Pittsburgh)

l3qVSbT_aU

It's so great to see Scott and Mark on stage again with the same old chemistry like nothing has changed! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gifOne of my fav song of theirs.

It looks weird seeing him with a shaved head.

[Bunker]

So...you don't like them...yet you make it a point to come into this thread and trash them anyway?

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

I thought they might have improved somewhat since their hiatus. So, I came in here.

Guess not.

[Marx]

CREED - Intro and Bullets (live in Pennsylvania)

TBtpOXiTB_w

[Marx]

One of my fav song of theirs.

It looks weird seeing him with a shaved head.

It really does. He actually looks quite a lot like Tremonti now.

[The Apatow Crew]

It really does. He actually looks quite a lot like Tremonti now.And he looks alot more healthier also.

[Marx]

And he looks alot more healthier also.

Yes he does. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Kel]

I thought they might have improved somewhat since their hiatus. So, I came in here.

Guess not.


I have to totally disagree, what I've heard has been awesome.

[LastSunrise1981]

Creed was and still is one of my favorite bands. I'm very eager to hear their new material and I will definitely buy the new album when it's released. I knew they would reunite sometime soon.

I'm hearing a lot of great things about the new music, Stapp looks very healthy and happy, and they all look like they're ready to kick some ass.

[The Immortal!]

Even though I have Creed's Human Clay and Weathered CD's and their Best Of, I've never really given any of the CD's a entire listen through.

I know off of Weathered, I liked Bullets (I love the sound of it), Signs (good song) Weathered, My Sacifice, and Six feet from the edge (aka One Last Breath?) has grown on me over the years.


Their new single Overcome sounds nice.

[steintym]

The new song sounds great, love the intro. I can't wait to hear more from the new album. I'm really surprised one is coming out so soon.

[Kargo Warrior]

Creed are in the same group as Tom Cruise and post Black Metallica where it's just cool to spit on them,without any real merit as far as the product is concerned.

In the early 00' they were the biggest band in the US...Human Clay sold 11,6 million copies there,they won a lot of awards including a Grammy,their tour was hugely successful,they had an amazing performance at Woodstock...when Weathered came out it was number 1 at billboard for 8 straight weeks,My Sacrifice was a very big hit and their following tour was breaking records.

And then Scott Stapp started acting like a weirdo/lunatic on stage,got into a few fist fights and after several months they were the coolest band to hate and that has been like that ever since.

In Guitar World 2003 poll Weathered was voted the best rock album,Mark Tremonti best rock guitar player of 2003 and Creed the best rock band of 2003....in 2004 they were on number 2 on the same poll...in the ''worst band'' category(with no new material) which just proves my point that the hatred for them is based on the fact that Scott Stapp is a jackass.

Several myths about them:

Scott Stapp and Eddie Vedder sound almost nothing alike...only a person with poor listening skills would come to that conclusion.Try singing Black and Jeremy and then What If and Inside Us All and you'll see how different their vocal styles really are.Pearl Jam and Creed sound completely different,Creed have a lot more in common with Alice In Chains and owe their style to the likes Led Zepelin with their Eastern tonalities then Pearl Jam.

They were one of the very few bands to actually make it on their own,playing their own music and getting a deal through gigging like the old fashioned bands did.

If Scott Stapp was decent down-to-earth guy and the band didn't break up they would still be one of the most popular bands but alas,in this kind of society image>>product just like everything Metallica does is spat on even before it's released.

/End of rant.

[Darthphere]

So...you don't like them...yet you make it a point to come into this thread and trash them anyway?

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

Well, it's his right as an American and or human being.

[Pickle-El]

As a Pearl Jam fan....I never did, and still don't get the Creed hatred from the 90's crowd. Possibly because Creed overtook PJ and many of their contemporaries in popularity at one point during Creed's height...I don't really know. I suspect it's probably because was creating massive hit after massive hit while bands they were accused of sounding like were laying by the waste-side pissed a few people off.

Don't get me wrong, Stapp DID act like a douch many times. Though, their music was always good to very good. My Sacrifice, One Last Breath, Higher...these are some of the biggest rock songs of the 00's. Tremonti is a FANTASTIC guitar player. I suspect the Creed party has reached it's apex a few years ago, but there's room left for them to still make something of what was created. The test of a good band is time and consistency....let's see if the band is up to it.

(though, they still don't compare to PJ) ;)

[Kel]

I don't understand the comparison to Pearl Jam.....

Creed sounds more like Hootie and Blowfish to me....lol

[The Chairman]

One tour I can be glad I won't be seeing. They're as bad as they've ever been. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Kel]

Be quiet Sinatra lover....:oldrazz:

[The Chairman]

Be quiet Sinatra lover....:oldrazz:

LMAO. Sinatra is better than Creed any day of the week, not to mention any decade of a century.

[Kel]

LMAO. Sinatra is better than Creed any day of the week, not to mention any decade of a century.


Well, as a lover of many genres of music, I wouldn't even attempt to compare the two......nor do I believe that the members of Creed even allow people to do that out of respect they probably have for Sinatra and his music.


BUT, I do enjoy both, and both quite often......:yay:

[The Chairman]

Well, as a lover of many genres of music, I wouldn't even attempt to compare the two......nor do I believe that the members of Creed even allow people to do that out of respect they probably have for Sinatra and his music.


BUT, I do enjoy both, and both quite often......:yay:

They are incomparable, for sure.

[Kargo Warrior]

They are incomparable, for sure.

Only a child would post similar things like this...when they broke up there was a online journal in which fans left their messages for the band...there were thousands of people posting stories about how Creed's music was there for them when they had bad times,issues etc...

I'm quite sure every one of those people would find Sinatra incomparable to Creed.

And let's not stop there,if we compare Sinatra with real musicians like Louis Armstrong,Miles,Coltrane,Mozart,Dvorak,Bach,Brahms ,etc..he can't hold a candle to them.

In today's society ignorance is the most accepted behavior...everything you don't like = sucks,is overrated,has zero value.

Only an arrogant person thinks along those lines.I have never liked Ac/Dc and their 3 chord songs but i don't go in an Ac/Dc threads posting they suck and similar things...the fact that they're not my cup of coffee doesn't mean their music sucks.

[The Chairman]

Well, when I said incomparable in response to Kel's post, I was referring to her stating how she loved many genres and how she wouldn't begin to compare them in that aspect.

[Marx]

...just wanted to let everyone know that the concert was amazing! They basically played their greatest hits cd plus the new single, 'overcome'. :yay:

[steintym]

...just wanted to let everyone know that the concert was amazing! They basically played their greatest hits cd plus the new single, 'overcome'. :yay:

Very cool - Can you provide any details about the show?

What sing did they open with?
Any surprise songs (other than the new one, I guess)?
Tremonti solo?

They recently played in my area, I wanted to catch the show, but couldn't make it.

[Darthphere]

Were you locked up in your own prison?

[Marx]

Very cool - Can you provide any details about the show?

What sing did they open with?
Any surprise songs (other than the new one, I guess)?
Tremonti solo?

They recently played in my area, I wanted to catch the show, but couldn't make it.

It was a very well done show. They have always used pyrotechnics and fire in their shows, but it seemed to be even more this time around. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

They opened the show with 'Bullets' and there were quite a few extended breaks in different songs for Tremonti to show off. :yay:

I posted a couple of clips in the thread of performances from their shows earlier in the tour. (That should give you an idea of what this concert was like.)

[steintym]

Great, I'll check those clips out. Thanks for the info.

[Paradyme]

It was a very well done show. They have always used pyrotechnics and fire in their shows, but it seemed to be even more this time around. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

They opened the show with 'Bullets' and there were quite a few extended breaks in different songs for Tremonti to show off. :yay:

I posted a couple of clips in the thread of performances from their shows earlier in the tour. (That should give you an idea of what this concert was like.)

Bullets is probably my favorite song by them. Who's Got My Back? is probably their most powerful song, in my opinion. I'm really liking the new Overcome single though.

[Marx]

Bullets is a great great song! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

I think 'Overcome' is one of their best. I'm really excited to hear the rest of the new album!

[The Immortal!]

Bullets is a great great song! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

I think 'Overcome' is one of their best. I'm really excited to hear the rest of the new album!

Bullets is my new fav song from them.

Overcome gets better and better the more I hear it.

[The Immortal!]

Creed's music video for 'Overcome' comes out later today. Believe on yahoo Music.

[Marx]

Creed's music video for 'Overcome' comes out later today. Believe on yahoo Music.

I'll definitely be looking for it! Thanks for the heads up ETM! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[The Immortal!]

Literally nothing special.

http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/premieres/

Still better than Three Days Grace (who I really like) Break video.

[Matt Mortem]

Hooray for Creed reuniting. I had no idea there's a thread on it. I never understood the Creed hate, but whatever. They're back and it seems Stapp has pulled his head out of his ass.

[Marx]

Literally nothing special.

http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/premieres/

Still better than Three Days Grace (who I really like) Break video.

It's a good video. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[<(o_o)>]

CREED have already released a second single from the "Full Circle" CD entitled "Rain". You can listen to it at the following link. http://music.msn.com/music/artist/creed.3/?icid=MUSIC1&GT1=MUSIC1

Watch CREED in concert online... Don't miss the only LIVE webcast of Creed on tour! Tune in September 25th and watch Creed perform live from Houston, TX. Visit Rockpit.com to reserve your spot now!

[Matt Mortem]

I didn't so much care for Rain. It was very meh for me

[Marx]

Really? I LOVE 'Rain'. I think it's a great song. :yay:

[Matt Mortem]

Well it probably had something to do with my current musical mood. I've been blasting White Zombie all day so Rain just felt outta place in my brain today. I'll probably grow to love it, like I did with Faceless Man offa Human Clay

[Marx]

MORE NEW CREED!!!

'Rain'
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:applaud

[DACrowe]

I keep hearing about Creed being back together. And I weep for society. Nothing like spending the better part of a decade in obscurity, eh?

This band...no thanks.

[DACrowe]

Rain, huh. I feel like it's 2001 again for days and days.

I wonder how Pearl Jam is taking this? Probably not well.

[Marx]

I keep hearing about Creed being back together. And I weep for society. Nothing like spending the better part of a decade in obscurity, eh?

This band...no thanks.

Rain, huh. I feel like it's 2001 again for days and days.

I wonder how Pearl Jam is taking this? Probably not well.

I would encourage you to stop trolling this thread. If the only contributions you have to this thread are sarcastic potshots, perhaps you should move along.

[Matt Mortem]

Crack the whip Marx! Oh and DACrowe Pearl Jam is better than ever. They released a new album on last Sunday and it is marvelous!!!!

[The Immortal!]

I know the CD has like 15 songs on it...but why release the second single not even a month after the first? Did Overcome bomb that hard? That song has grown on me now....but I've only heard it like 3 or 4 times on radio.

I don't care for Rain. I want something loud and hard like Overcome.

:awesome: that guitar solo in Overcome.

[Marx]

I know the CD has like 15 songs on it...but why release the second single not even a month after the first? Did Overcome bomb that hard? That song has grown on me now....but I've only heard it like 3 or 4 times on radio.

I don't care for Rain. I want something loud and hard like Overcome.

:awesome: that guitar solo in Overcome.

I don't think 'Overcome' bombed...but I don't ever really listen to the radio. As for 'Rain', you can't have everything be loud and hard all the time.

[Matt Mortem]

I think Rain was released to show people that this is still Creed and they have alot of good material. (I gave Rain another listen and enjoyed it)

[The Immortal!]

I don't think 'Overcome' bombed...but I don't ever really listen to the radio. As for 'Rain', you can have everything be loud and hard all the time.

I think Rain can be a crossover song (Rock and Mainstream stations), but Overcome will be just on Rock cause it's so heavy :awesome:

Oh, Creed will be on Live! with Regis and Kelly (Oct 27th) and I think Nov 3rd on Tonight Show with Conan. Please...perform Overcome on Conan.

[DACrowe]

I would encourage you to stop trolling this thread. If the only contributions you have to this thread are sarcastic potshots, perhaps you should move along.

touché. I try not to troll often. The first post was merely contributing my opinion (as I have only two posts in this thread), but the second was a bit dickish. I apologize.

[The Immortal!]

This is impressive. Tremonti solo while playing with Alter Bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_tfOf7Wqaw&feature=related

However, I think his 20 second solo in the song Overcome by Creed is more impressive. Just me though.

[Marx]

THE NEW ALBUM IS OFFICIALLY OUT!

:applaud

[The Apatow Crew]

So anyone listen to it yet at all?

[Matt Mortem]

I bought it today. FANTASTIC CD

[<(o_o)>]

There are a lot of good songs on the new CREED CD. Aside from "Overcome" & "Rain" my favorites so far are... "A Thousand Faces","Away In Silence","On My Sleeve","Time","The Song You Sing" & the "Silent Teacher" a great song that should have been made part of the album instead of just a bonus track.

At first I didn't think that I would like "Away In Silence" all that much but it definitely picks up during the middle until the end. Not that Scott Stapp tries to sound like Chris Daughtry in the song but during certain parts you reminded of Chris Daughtry's singing style.

[The Apatow Crew]

I'm listening to it right now and it's pretty good.

[The Immortal!]

Listen to like half of it so far.

Like Overcome, Bread of Shame, Suddenly, and Fear. All are loud :yay:.

Rain has grown on me. A thousand faces if okay. Away in silence is okay. Rest I listen to sooner or later.

[Matt Mortem]

Bread of Shame is extremely heavy. Wow

[The Immortal!]

Bread of Shame is extremely heavy. Wow

Right now, I could listen to Overcome, Bread of Shame, Suddenly, and Fear in a long loop. Maybe add Thousand faces to that, too.

Haven't watched the dvd yet. I got the CD/DVD Combo at walmart. And the case sucks, ended up buying cheap cd cases for it and Three Days grace new CD.

:cmad: I want actual CD Cases Wind-Up...not this paper ****.

[Matt Mortem]

yeah the paper **** is stupid. The DVD is pretty cool

[The Immortal!]

yeah the paper **** is stupid. The DVD is pretty cool

How is the dvd? I mean what is on it?

[Matt Mortem]

All kinds of stuff. They talk about reuniting and the making a new record and setting up the live show. It's like 45 minutes long

[Marx]

There are a lot of good songs on the new CREED CD. Aside from "Overcome" & "Rain" my favorites so far are... "A Thousand Faces","Away In Silence","On My Sleeve","Time","The Song You Sing" & the "Silent Teacher" a great song that should have been made part of the album instead of just a bonus track.

At first I didn't think that I would like "Away In Silence" all that much but it definitely picks up during the middle until the end. Not that Scott Stapp tries to sound like Chris Daughtry in the song but during certain parts you reminded of Chris Daughtry's singing style.

Scott Stapp came well before Chris Daughtry in the grand scheme of things...so who is imitating who? :oldrazz::cwink: