Story Spoilers from ShoWest (WARNING: Spoiler Extravaganza)

[craigdbfan]

From TransformerMovieBlog (http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/05/story-spoilers-from-showest.html#comments):

In the new theatrical trailer thread, an anonymous post reveals some potentially spoiler information about the Transformers 2 story based on information they got at ShoWest. Normally I don't post these but in this case the information is consistent and logical enough with the information we have that it makes me wonder if it is not legit. At the very least it will probably lead to a lively (and hopefully insult free) discussion in the comments. I have edited the post a bit (mostly using bullet points) to make it easier to read. My comments are in brackets [].

Again this is filled with spoilers if true. So read at your own expense.

"I work in the effects industry but I am not affiliated with this film. We do have an online community (member only) where we discuss various projects around the various studios. I have some knowledge about some of the robots in the shots from the trailer.

- The robot with the "loose" treads is called Scrapper. Hence the reason he is "fist" fighting with Bumblebee.
- The yellow robot is Rampage.
- The helicopter is Blackout. You could see it at the ShoWest if you were there but more now with a HD feed of this trailer you can see that Blackout has rust on him just like Megatron does. Blackout is mostly intact.
- The robots crashing into the aircraft carrier are the Constructicons. Many people believed it was members of Starscream's air force but as you can see from the video there are no robots present. We saw an additional scene where Long Haul and Mixmaster are destroying the ship from within and end up ripping the hull of the carrier in half.
- What I was told is Soundwave has been scanning vehicles and when the Decepticons come to earth they fly by him in space and receive their alt mode on the way down. [Strategically and story wise, this is a genius idea]
- This is why Long Haul, Scrapper, and Mixmaster are as their alt modes over Megatron. Brawl and Bonecrusher do not return. They use Brawls parts to reform Megatron underwater (tank tracks and fitted with a particle cannon that Soundwave provides.
- Soundwave is only seen in the trailer as one of the 4 robots down in the ocean. By the way if you think Long Haul is huge Soundwave is about 6 feet taller. The other plot point is the cold and pressure does not affect their bodies like the humans thought they would. Two Decepticons give up their sparks to revive Megatron and Blackout who we find out is 3rd in command behind Starscream.
- Michael Bay made Soundwave's role as Megatron's most trusted friend (aka bodyguard and secretly unknown to Starscream as the real number 2) hence the recovery effect by the Decepticons.
- Mixmaster and Megatron can semi-fly in the film but not much. Megatron has back rockets and Mixmaster has the spinning gears turbines under his arm shields (cement mixer barrel) that he uses a few times. Mixmaster has a lot of screen time. [This would explain how Megs "swimming" up so fast and how Mixxy gets on the bridge]
- We saw a short 5 second shot where Long Haul stomps on Jazz's corpse underwater. [Sorry but I have not and still don't think Jazz returns and I could see this being Bay's definitive statement on the matter]
- There are 5 other jets that fly with Starscream but have not been named at the time of the show. I do not know the type of aircraft.
- Barricade is the one crashing into the library but isn't seen.

We saw more of that shot at the ShoWest show in private. Finally the major spoilers is as follows so look away if you don't want to know.

Remember when Michael Bay said Ravage does something no other transformer does? Well Alice is Ravage. Well they kinda gave it away when they said she had a tail and a tongue. Ravage is really small like a real jungle cat. He is sent to kill Sam but realizes Sam has information about The Fallen so he tries to get it from him. Once she turns on Sam and comes after him then she shows who she really is and Barricade shows up to help. Enough said. Now I said enough but hey there was 300 plus people at the ShoWest after party. I am out. Enjoy Revenge of the Fallen because a lot of great lads at ILM and DD did the work. [This is an elaboration on a plot point that video and story leaks indicated and Orci indirectly verified]"

[Darth Megatron]

THANk U that is great info

[Modernize73]

From TransformerMovieBlog (http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/05/story-spoilers-from-showest.html#comments):



Again this is filled with spoilers if true. So read at your own expense.

The Soundwave part is absolutely cool...what a great way to use him. He sounds like such a maniacal bada$$

[Darth Megatron]

I agree

[molp]

If the soundwave info true thats a genius way into introduce him into the film

[knockout]

Not watching this for the plot but not bad either way. Im excited to see Sound wave this time around.

[Hotwire]

Cool stuff!!! Can't wait to see it.

[BrollySupersj]

That's quite interesting, the whole Soundwave providing altmodes. Very interesting.

[Rock Sexton]

I think I just spoiler'd myself. lol ...........I was randomly reading through the casting calls and it had a call for:

Funeral Director
50s, male, spacey yet kind-hearted funeral director that buries Simmons. Can't help but put his foot in his mouth every chance he gets.

I apologize if that was listed in the ShoWest stuff. I was trying not to read most of it.........but it looks like the scene where Sam was at a cemetery talking to Prime happens to be John Turturo's burial.

[molp]

I think I just spoiler'd myself. lol ...........I was randomly reading through the casting calls and it had a call for:

Funeral Director
50s, male, spacey yet kind-hearted funeral director that buries Simmons. Can't help but put his foot in his mouth every chance he gets.

I apologize if that was listed in the ShoWest stuff. I was trying not to read most of it.........but it looks like the scene where Sam was at a cemetery talking to Prime happens to be John Turturo's burial.

If thats true then that funeral has to take place at the end as I'm sure I've seen pics of Simmons in Egypt, which is pretty much set in stone as the battfield for the final battle.

If this is all true, then perhaps Primes speach to Sam is going to be a set up for no3

[Rock Sexton]

If thats true then that funeral has to take place at the end as I'm sure I've seen pics of Simmons in Egypt, which is pretty much set in stone as the battfield for the final battle.

If this is all true, then perhaps Primes speach to Sam is going to be a set up for no3

Well if you look at Prime in the cemetery scene, he looks all scuffed up from battle.

[protocida]

Doubtfull. In the cemitery scene, Sam's using black pants and a black shirt. It's the same outfit he's wearing when Optimus is fighting Megatron, Starscream and Blackout, and I doubt they'd put that as the final battle.

If you look closely, you can see the woods in the cemitery.

[DopdBrd]

Doubtfull. In the cemitery scene, Sam's using black pants and a black shirt. It's the same outfit he's wearing when Optimus is fighting Megatron, Starscream and Blackout, and I doubt they'd put that as the final battle.

If you look closely, you can see the woods in the cemitery.

Think about what you said for a minute. What if, and I mean WHAT IF, that scene of Optimus fighting the 3 Decepticons really is the last scene in the movie.

Just speculation, but what if the whole movie takes place, we see the last battle, Decepticons and Autobots join forces to battle Devastator and the Fallen, defeat them and then in the end split. The Fallens plan was to bring on Unicron. The bots think they stopped it because Unicron would mean the end of both factions. We see the funeral, then that is when Megatron comes back for his Revenge. The three Cons kill Optimus and leave, but before the movie ends, the other Autobots show up to listen to the last words of their fallen comrade. Optimus passes the Matrix on to someone, and dies. Then, end movie on a very sad note.

Credits roll, with a space shot and something VERY big approaching from far away......

[shigsy2003]

Think about what you said for a minute. What if, and I mean WHAT IF, that scene of Optimus fighting the 3 Decepticons really is the last scene in the movie.

Just speculation, but what if the whole movie takes place, we see the last battle, Decepticons and Autobots join forces to battle Devastator and the Fallen, defeat them and then in the end split. The Fallens plan was to bring on Unicron. The bots think they stopped it because Unicron would mean the end of both factions. We see the funeral, then that is when Megatron comes back for his Revenge. The three Cons kill Optimus and leave, but before the movie ends, the other Autobots show up to listen to the last words of their fallen comrade. Optimus passes the Matrix on to someone, and dies. Then, end movie on a very sad note.

Credits roll, with a space shot and something VERY big approaching from far away......

Can't see this happening. Bay has stated numerous times that there won't be any cliffhangers (sure he could be lying but I don't think so) also he wants to take a year out before making number 3...so we would be waiting and awful long time to get the conclusion. I can't see the studio taking that risk since it would be impossible to predict if the franchise would still be viable.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hope the Soundwave thing is true as that sounds awesome.

[Frank Noir]

That's fantastic info. Thanks. I had a bad feeling about the movie after seeing the new trailer, but this info makes me feel a lot better. I guess I have to let go of my hope for a better screenplay and just enjoy the action. Soundwave sounds awesome (SW scanning vehicles and providing alt modes to the others on the way down is brilliant) and it's great they're bringing back Blackout and Barricade. I might be alone on this, but I hope Jazz doesn't return.

And I'm just not sure about the standard blockbuster 'they-want-what's-in-my-head' storyline.

[Rock Sexton]

That's fantastic info. Thanks. I had a bad feeling about the movie after seeing the new trailer, but this info makes me feel a lot better. I guess I have to let go of my hope for a better screenplay and just enjoy the action. Soundwave sounds awesome (SW scanning vehicles and providing alt modes to the others on the way down is brilliant) and it's great they're bringing back Blackout and Barricade. I might be alone on this, but I hope Jazz doesn't return.

And I'm just not sure about the standard blockbuster 'they-want-what's-in-my-head' storyline.


Wait wait wait.................

The new trailer left you feeling not so right about the movie?

??????????????????????


Man I swear some of you need to learn how to enjoy life.

Honestly, do yourself and the rest of us the favor of NOT watching this movie if you're looking for an award winning screen play.

[matrix_ghost]

Think about what you said for a minute. What if, and I mean WHAT IF, that scene of Optimus fighting the 3 Decepticons really is the last scene in the movie.

Just speculation, but what if the whole movie takes place, we see the last battle, Decepticons and Autobots join forces to battle Devastator and the Fallen, defeat them and then in the end split. The Fallens plan was to bring on Unicron. The bots think they stopped it because Unicron would mean the end of both factions. We see the funeral, then that is when Megatron comes back for his Revenge. The three Cons kill Optimus and leave, but before the movie ends, the other Autobots show up to listen to the last words of their fallen comrade. Optimus passes the Matrix on to someone, and dies. Then, end movie on a very sad note.

Credits roll, with a space shot and something VERY big approaching from far away......

Dunno about that . I mean the pics of Shia with his body burned pretty badly would indicate that the desert scene is the final battle. He looks pretty effed up and to follow up that with yet another battle when prime gets killed seems anti climatic.


Edit :
If anithing i think the funeral scene may be one or both of Sam's parents dying.
http://www.empireonline.com/features/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-trailer-breakdown/3.asp
EMPIRE brokethe trailer down with quotes from the cast and crew :
Kevin Dunn and Julie White are back as Sam's parents, one of the comedy highlights of the first film. This time, Bay hints, they'll get their own side-story and a taste of robot action. "The parents go on vacation to France and the threat impacts them," says the director who blew up most of Paris in Armageddon. "We shot in Paris for a day," adds producer Ian Bryce. "There's an effects-heavy scene that takes place there that we shot in the United States, but we went for a day to get some shots around town of the Eiffel Tower and the Arc de Triomphe."

YOu can clearly see that Paris is under attack. WIth Sam's parents on vacation in france , it could be that one of them may die there.

[DopdBrd]

I think if Sam's parents or parent died then he would be a little more upset than he seems.

Ok, so what if the grave yard scene is nothing more than foreshawdowing for what may happen later in the movie. Maybe that is just where Optimus meets Sam.

[Dotten]

Sam's hand looks ok in that cemetery-scene, so probably not something happening near the end.

[protocida]

Sam's parents will also be in Egypt. I don't think one of them will die in France.

[Darth Megatron]

Think about what you said for a minute. What if, and I mean WHAT IF, that scene of Optimus fighting the 3 Decepticons really is the last scene in the movie.

Just speculation, but what if the whole movie takes place, we see the last battle, Decepticons and Autobots join forces to battle Devastator and the Fallen, defeat them and then in the end split. The Fallens plan was to bring on Unicron. The bots think they stopped it because Unicron would mean the end of both factions. We see the funeral, then that is when Megatron comes back for his Revenge. The three Cons kill Optimus and leave, but before the movie ends, the other Autobots show up to listen to the last words of their fallen comrade. Optimus passes the Matrix on to someone, and dies. Then, end movie on a very sad note.

Credits roll, with a space shot and something VERY big approaching from far away......

Not Happening

[Modernize73]

Dunno about that . I mean the pics of Shia with his body burned pretty badly would indicate that the desert scene is the final battle. He looks pretty effed up and to follow up that with yet another battle when prime gets killed seems anti climatic.


Edit :
If anithing i think the funeral scene may be one or both of Sam's parents dying.
http://www.empireonline.com/features/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-trailer-breakdown/3.asp


YOu can clearly see that Paris is under attack. WIth Sam's parents on vacation in france , it could be that one of them may die there.


If they killed off the mom it would actually follow the cartoon a little bit more. You never really know of Spikes mom in the cartoon. Although I love her character and would hate to see it happen.

Also it actually looks like a place like arlington, for war vets...so maybe one of the military guys bites it?

[protocida]

Could be. If so, it's probabily Graham.

[Hulk1968]

No matter what happens, I believe this will be more than we expect!

[protocida]

"This is a shock to us here at Dreamworks. We are NOT asking you to remove this info [maybe a few months ago we would have] but we will clear some up for you.

I will say that most of the info is correct but some is not:

- The robot that is fighting Bumblebee is NOT "Scrapper" because if you look closely he is seen by the wall [yellow bot] when Shia & Megan jump from the blast of Starscream. We aren't revealing if the red bulldozer has a name just yet. Around 10 bots will be nameless.

- 2 Decepticons do NOT give up their spark for the return of Megatron. It is just one. If you look through TF mythology this won't come as a surprise. This character willingly sacrifices himself.

- A lot of people speculate that the tank tracks on Megatron are from Brawl--they are NOT. His tank tracks are cybertronian metal and that is the reason most of his body has rust but the tracks do not. He is built from deceased Decepticons but not from the Laurentian Abyss. There is a double-meaning to the name Long Haul [think back to his F.A.B. toy bio]

- Isabel's character is NOT a human form for Ravage. I will not say who but think back to the videos I am sure you have seen with the crew & the puppet-like minion. Ravage actually has nothing to do with the college aspect. Soundwave enlists someone else for that job. All I can say is this...Ravage is far to big [unlike the info you have] to be Isabel.

- There isn't a character in the film named "Gridor" because it indeed is Blackout. We had that toy made because we weren't going to show him until this final trailer and we felt if the toy was leaked with that name [we were right] it would ruin the surprise. Mike insisted on the scene with him in it for the Vegas footage. Fans will indeed see a Blackout toy after the release of the film.

- Starscream does have re-inforcements however there are only 3 that accompany him. They also use the same scanning technique. If you remember, we had an original artwork with Soundwave in his satellite mode where meteor bots are flying by. Ehren came up with the idea like teletraan 1 for the Autobots. This is but one of the many things Soundwave adds to this film. Mike loved this idea because it saves time on having each individual bot scan & transform. That was a secret of ours however, one of our biggest secrets is now revealed regarding Barricade. As Mike would say...the cat's out on that one. The crew knew the cop car would draw attention on set hence the reason there wasn't a confirmed set-picture---the car is CGI for roughly 3 seconds before a transformation to robot form occurs.

The rest of the info is indeed accurate along with the info on Jazz. We knew a lot of people wanted him to show up but if everyone returned it defeats the purpose of having tragedy in the franchise---same with Brawl & Bonecrusher.

I'm sorry if any info has been spoiled for you but the great thing about our dedication to this film was for each and everyone of the fans out there. We listened to all the good & bad comments over the past couple of years. Enjoy the film!!"

:yay:

[sauronthegreat]

It's a great thing to hear that almost everything is true. Especially the info about Soundwave, Barricade, Blackout, Starscream and Megatron.

I just don't get it... that even these officials at Dreamworks are now calling Devastator from the first film as Brawl! I do hope it will be changed in some future special edition of the film.

[namtaB]

Those sound great.

[Naite22]

Wait a minute... this movie has a story?...

[Ladiesman217]

I don't know how Sam fits in all this, but the general plot will be The Fallen trying to activate the Sun Harvester to re-energize the Allspark so he be granted its power. How Fallen is awakened from hi Sarcophagus.. Maybe that's where Sam comes in and his mental meltdown?

[protocida]

Can be.

About the Devastator. I've read that, in Set, Michael Bay called some robots by the wrong names (Like Frenzy, that he called Soundwave). One of them was Brawl, that he called Devastator. One of the subtitlers confused the names because of that and put "Devastator" on Brawl's subtitle.

[Rock Sexton]

Doubtfull. In the cemitery scene, Sam's using black pants and a black shirt. It's the same outfit he's wearing when Optimus is fighting Megatron, Starscream and Blackout, and I doubt they'd put that as the final battle.

If you look closely, you can see the woods in the cemitery.

No offense, but time to get those eyes checked......... Sam's sporting black on black at the cemetery and black shirt on blue jeans in that Prime vs. Meg/SS/BO scene.......and it's not even the same shirt.......

http://www.freepicsource.com/images/samjeans.jpghttp://www.freepicsource.com/images/samshirt.jpg http://www.freepicsource.com/images/samblack.jpg

[protocida]

That doesn't change my final statement.

[Overman27pj]

That doesn't change my final statement.

Perhaps not, but it takes a pretty big shot at your credibility for analysis.

[protocida]

I don't need credibility for analysis. I'm guessing, just like everyone else. The clothes look similar.

[Geekgirl]

"2 Decepticons do NOT give up their spark for the return of Megatron. It is just one. If you look through TF mythology this won't come as a surprise. This character willingly sacrifices himself."

Okay, there is only one Decepticon I know of that is showing up in this movie that is that loyal to "Lord Megatron." I see Soundwave as the sacrifice. This would explain his apparent absence so far. Could be wrong, but who else is that blindly loyal to Megatron?

[gohei_]

^^ I also fear that Soundwave will sacrifice himself, and I don't like it one bit.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Thats what worries me, I dont want Soundwave showing up and then dying virtually straight away to resurrect Megatron. As we have havent seen Soundwave in the final battle at egypt in any of the footage, this also worries me that he gives his life to bring Megatron back. If they do this, it will SERIOUSLY piss a lot of Soundwave fans off.

[Rock Sexton]

I don't need credibility for analysis. I'm guessing, just like everyone else. The clothes look similar.

Similar, but not the same. Gives a tremendous amount more credence to the Simmons burial. Somebody has to die in this movie. It's silly to have no significant casualties. That takes away from the emotional inner-connectivity.

[Rock Sexton]

^Thats what worries me, I dont want Soundwave showing up and then dying virtually straight away to resurrect Megatron. As we have havent seen Soundwave in the final battle at egypt in any of the footage, this also worries me that he gives his life to bring Megatron back. If they do this, it will SERIOUSLY piss a lot of Soundwave fans off.

Ehhhhh we haven't seen a lot of things yet. Don't put too much credence into the fact that you haven't seen SW in the miniscule Egypt trailer clips.

[Rock Sexton]

"2 Decepticons do NOT give up their spark for the return of Megatron. It is just one. If you look through TF mythology this won't come as a surprise. This character willingly sacrifices himself."

Okay, there is only one Decepticon I know of that is showing up in this movie that is that loyal to "Lord Megatron." I see Soundwave as the sacrifice. This would explain his apparent absence so far. Could be wrong, but who else is that blindly loyal to Megatron?

I think we know at this point that Starscream has alternate agendas and would never give his life for Megs.

[Rock Sexton]

Perhaps not, but it takes a pretty big shot at your credibility for analysis.

It completely erases his easy dismissal of what I brought up.

[gohei_]

I think we know at this point that Starscream has alternate agendas and would never give his life for Megs.


I don't think anyone in their right minds would ever think that Starscream would give his own life to bring back Megatron :woot:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Ehhhhh we haven't seen a lot of things yet. Don't put too much credence into the fact that you haven't seen SW in the miniscule Egypt trailer clips.

Who else in TF lore is more loyal to Megatron than Soundwave? The spoilers state the TF who gives his spark is loyal to Meg's in TF law. The only other one I could think of is Scorponok, yet he has been seen at the final battle in Egypt in the trailers.

[gohei_]

What if Soundwave uses on of his minions to sacrifice his allspark? Wouldn't they be as loyal to Megatron as Soundwave himself?

[Geekgirl]

What if Soundwave uses on of his minions to sacrifice his allspark? Wouldn't they be as loyal to Megatron as Soundwave himself?

Not necessarily, but they are loyal to Soundwave. However, I see Soundwave believing it is a great honor to give his life for his leader. Sorry guys, but I think Soundwave is a goner. Too bad, cause he is an interesting character.

[gohei_]

If that's the case, then Bay sure deserves all the bashing he will get.

[Rock Sexton]

Who else in TF lore is more loyal to Megatron than Soundwave? The spoilers state the TF who gives his spark is loyal to Meg's in TF law. The only other one I could think of is Scorponok, yet he has been seen at the final battle in Egypt in the trailers.

I understand the picture you're trying to paint about loyalties, but Soundwave is too important to the plot this time around. They tried hard as h*ll to fit him into the first one, but weren't able to. It's just my opinion, but there's no way possible they sacrifice such a legendary character so early on after finally getting screen time. Just doesn't make any sense to me.

I think when you're talking about loyalties you're splitting hairs. Everyone but SS was obviously loyal to Megs. They're all his worker ants.

[Rock Sexton]

Not necessarily, but they are loyal to Soundwave. However, I see Soundwave believing it is a great honor to give his life for his leader. Sorry guys, but I think Soundwave is a goner. Too bad, cause he is an interesting character.

Getting too paranoid people.

Bay's been listening to us on many subjects believe it or not. They're not going to killl off the 3rd most popular transformer ever so quickly.

[Rock Sexton]

I don't think anyone in their right minds would ever think that Starscream would give his own life to bring back Megatron :woot:

I would hope not.

[protocida]

I also fear that Soundwave will give his spark to Megatron. :csad:

And now I can see Simmons dying, but that makes me wonder about Optimus line ("We kept much from you, Sam"/"This isn't my war"/"I fear it soon will be").

Could the "No-Set up" talk be a part of Bay's misinformative campaign?

[Darth Megatron]

Bay has already said that soundwave is important to the plot in many ways so i dont believe that soundwave would be bounced from the movie like that i mean just sacrificing him in the middle of the movie come on

[protocida]

He provides Earth modes for the Decepticons and sacrifices himself for Megatron. That can be interpreted as "Many ways".

[Rock Sexton]

And now I can see Simmons dying, but that makes me wonder about Optimus line ("We kept much from you, Sam"/"This isn't my war"/"I fear it soon will be").

Could the "No-Set up" talk be a part of Bay's misinformative campaign?

.........that's my thought process right now. I mean we're talking about the same guy who tried to keep Megs involvement silenced ..........the first one obviously signaled things when Starscream was seen flying off into space.

[Rock Sexton]

He provides Earth modes for the Decepticons and sacrifices himself for Megatron. That can be interpreted as "Many ways".

.....but the point is he wouldn't do a primary character like that. He's too important to what Megs is out to accomplish being his true 2nd in command.

[protocida]

I know and I hope we get a plenty of Soundwave, but you never know.

[Darth Megatron]

trust my gut feeling soundwave is going to be memorable in this movie

[Darth Megatron]

does anyone have the soundwave rotf toy already

[Chris B]

As I mentioned in the 'Soundwave Appreciation' thread earlier, the alleged Dreamworks guy expanded on his first post saying that Soundwave doesn't give up his spark to revive Megatron.

I think that any of this is even true, I would bet on the spark being just from some random Decepticon.

[Rock Sexton]

trust my gut feeling soundwave is going to be memorable in this movie

I can't wait to hear that familiar voice ....... we got Prime's..... didn't get Megs or Starscreams....... but luckily we b*tched enough to get Soundwave's. Man I can't wait.

[Ladiesman217]

Uh Chris Latta has passed on. He couldn't be Starscream, even if they wanted it.

[Ronster_Monster]

Am i the only one who's doubting that the Audi R8 is really Sideways? I mean, if I am to believe those infos and that Barricade is a new car, I'm starting to think that Sideways might be a fake name for Barricade's return... Also Sideways and Barricade look a lot alike. What is your opinion (to all)?

[Modernize73]

Am i the only one who's doubting that the Audi R8 is really Sideways? I mean, if I am to believe those infos and that Barricade is a new car, I'm starting to think that Sideways might be a fake name for Barricade's return... Also Sideways and Barricade look a lot alike. What is your opinion (to all)?

Nah, the toy is in box and ready to ship as sideways...I don't think it is uncommon to have pawns that look alike...look at the twins, pretty much the same bot just lil differences.

[Avangarde]

Plus we have seen on set the Audi and the Mustang.

[gohei_]

But didn't they say that the mustang will only be shown for like 3 seconds? Maybe because he chooses another altmode?

[Avangarde]

This is true, but I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say that's not the case, it doesn't make much sense that Barricade would change his name and model of car.

[gohei_]

Unless they say that Barricade and Sideswipe are brothers, and that's why they look alike.

[Geekgirl]

Great, more relatives... We still people arguing whether the "brother" comment by Optimus was supposed to be literal or figurative. (My vote is figurative.) Next we get the "twins" even though we have an already established set in the carto ons. Now you are proposing that Barricade and Sideswipe could be related? Great, its just one big family reunion.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I understand the picture you're trying to paint about loyalties, but Soundwave is too important to the plot this time around. They tried hard as h*ll to fit him into the first one, but weren't able to. It's just my opinion, but there's no way possible they sacrifice such a legendary character so early on after finally getting screen time. Just doesn't make any sense to me.

I think when you're talking about loyalties you're splitting hairs. Everyone but SS was obviously loyal to Megs. They're all his worker ants.

Have you forgotten about Jazz? He is a VERY popular TF also and was killed early on. No one has ever been more loyal to Megatron than Soundwave, especially out of the the Decepticons in this movie.

Getting too paranoid people.

Bay's been listening to us on many subjects believe it or not. They're not going to killl off the 3rd most popular transformer ever so quickly.

I hope he has, but if he can turn Jetfire into what he has in this movie, Soundwave dying doesnt sound like its impossible. And the dreamworks guy clearly stated that the character who gives his spark has been very loyal to Megatron in TF lore, who else could it be?

[Geekgirl]

I agree, all the Decepticons follow him, but Soundwave wins the award for "blind loyalty." Keep in mind that Decepticon mindset is the exact opposite of the Autobot's. Much more concerned with what in it for them rather than the common good (or evil as the case may be). Megatron controls them mostly through fear. Because if they turn against him, Megatron will do worse than what any Autobot would do to them in battle. He barely tolerates Starscreams rebelliousness.

Sorry, but Soundwave is one of the few Decepticons who are truly loyal to Megatron.

[protocida]

Apparently, DreamWorks confirmed it's not Soundwave. Maybe Demolisher?

[Geekgirl]

Don't know. Who else do we know of that is that blindly loyal? Could it be just a random, no-name?

[Rock Sexton]

Have you forgotten about Jazz? He is a VERY popular TF also and was killed early on. No one has ever been more loyal to Megatron than Soundwave, especially out of the the Decepticons in this movie.

You're not seriously going to sit there and compare the popularity of Jazz to that of Soundwave are you? :wow:



I hope he has, but if he can turn Jetfire into what he has in this movie, Soundwave dying doesnt sound like its impossible. And the dreamworks guy clearly stated that the character who gives his spark has been very loyal to Megatron in TF lore, who else could it be?

Must you keep selectively reading. That statement has also been corrected to show that it's not Soundwave.

[Rock Sexton]

I agree, all the Decepticons follow him, but Soundwave wins the award for "blind loyalty." Keep in mind that Decepticon mindset is the exact opposite of the Autobot's. Much more concerned with what in it for them rather than the common good (or evil as the case may be). Megatron controls them mostly through fear. Because if they turn against him, Megatron will do worse than what any Autobot would do to them in battle. He barely tolerates Starscreams rebelliousness.

Sorry, but Soundwave is one of the few Decepticons who are truly loyal to Megatron.

That's great but:

DREAMWORKS ALREADY CONFIRMED IT'S NOT SOUNDWAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Geekgirl]

FINE!!! I'm just saying that Soundwave is one of the few Decepticons who are TRULY loyal. So chill out a minute, I say later that maybe it wasn't Soundwave and could be some no-name guy there simply to be killed off or even someone else (about two posts above your shout).

Feel better now?

[gohei_]

Great, more relatives... We still people arguing whether the "brother" comment by Optimus was supposed to be literal or figurative. (My vote is figurative.) Next we get the "twins" even though we have an already established set in the carto ons. Now you are proposing that Barricade and Sideswipe could be related? Great, its just one big family reunion.

Hey, don't try to make it sound like I want Barricade and Sideways to be related, I'm just throwing ideas around seeing as the look rather similar and since we all know Bay would come up with such an idea and think it is cool.
And I just realised that I did a typo in my earlier post. I meant Sideways of course and not Sideswipe, that would just be stupid.

[Geekgirl]

Sorry, I just couldn't pass up the opportunity to comment on all the family connections people seem to see.

[LightningFlash]

The only family connection besides the twins in the movie would likely be Sideswipe and Sideways...but that's just because of the names, haha.

And the person who gives Megatron their spark...

what about Barricade?

We've only seen him bust through the library...then when the Constructicons go to save Megatron, which could be much later in the movie.

Just a thought.