Should they drop "First Avenger" from the title? [Archive]

Timstuff

05-05-2009, 11:17 AM

Personally, would have to say yes. It's a Captain America movie, so there's no reason to bog down the title with a frivolous over title. People are just going to call it "Captain America" anyway, so all I really see "First Avenger" doing is messing up the film's placement when it gets alphabetized. I mean, Spider-Man wasn't called "Teenage Superhero: Spider-Man," and X-Men wasn't "Mutant Team: X-Men" or anyhthing like that, so why can't Cap's movie simply have his name as its title too?

PWN3R

05-05-2009, 11:22 AM

Yes, but with those films they didn't know where they were going with the franchise. Marvel IS going to make an Avenger film. They already have their lineup, the title is all part of the gameplan for it.

I kind of like it, too.

Mister J

05-05-2009, 11:40 AM

I get the goal of trying to created aware about the coming Avengers flick, and tying Cap to it, but the current title is just clunky. "The First Avenger' always struck me as an alternative title that would be more palatable to international audiences. Just call it 'Captain America.'

AnorexicBatman

05-05-2009, 12:43 PM

INTERNATIONAL TITLE!

Captain America... by that we mean the old, cool America ... not the new war mongering one!!!

Spider-ManHero12

05-05-2009, 02:15 PM

"First Avenger" just adds to the awesomeness, if you ask me. Doesn't matter to me though. I'm fine with either one. :up:

AnorexicBatman

05-05-2009, 02:17 PM

You got me there... "First Avenger" does suggest that Steve is the one who starts it all

Nirvana

05-05-2009, 02:25 PM

Yes, for the love of god. It sounds like ass.

louiebling$

05-05-2009, 02:29 PM

At first i hated it but ts grown on me... im good either way.

tamron

05-05-2009, 05:35 PM

Personally, I think it would be better reversed (Captain America:The First Avenger), but I have no problem with them including the moniker in the title. This is a lead-in to Avengers, and this makes it very clear to the uninitiated.

ironman29758

05-05-2009, 05:54 PM

I think it should stay because
a.) It will help lead to the Avengers and it make sense
b) people won't be confused with the 1990 movie

Colossus

05-05-2009, 07:04 PM

Considering Captain America wasn't the first Avenger, I think they should drop it. They won't lose any money, it won't effect the movie at all. The title Captain America will do just fine.

RachelDawes

05-05-2009, 08:01 PM

I think it should stay because
a.) It will help lead to the Avengers and it make sense
b) people won't be confused with the 1990 movie

How many people even remember the 1990 movie?

Faded To Deaf

05-05-2009, 08:14 PM

I would drop the "First Avengers" from the title.

The Guard

05-05-2009, 08:24 PM

Yes. Although reversing it would make it considerably better.

I don't really care. I'm going to call it "CAPTAIN AMERICA".

Metal Spidey

05-05-2009, 08:36 PM

I'm pretty sure they're going to change it to "Captain International: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D."

R_Hythlodeus

05-06-2009, 04:59 AM

Of course the should change it. "First Avenger" is an awful title. Most people in the world know who Cpt. America is (even my girlfriend).

FlawlessVictory

05-06-2009, 10:28 AM

I think it should stay because
a.) It will help lead to the Avengers and it make sense
b) people won't be confused with the 1990 movie

Yea, confusing the total of 5 people who saw that movie.

And yes, "First Avenger" should be dropped.

TheVileOne

05-06-2009, 07:07 PM

I would drop it.

Just call it Captain America.

Chris B

05-06-2009, 10:35 PM

I think they should at least reverse it around. But I would prefer it dropped.

I SEE SPIDEY

05-06-2009, 10:51 PM

In the states they should just call it "Captain America."

FVD

05-07-2009, 03:14 AM

I'm pretty sure they're going to change it to "Captain International: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D."

It could be alot worse. Captain Planet anybody???

I thought First Avenger was just a working title in progress or something.

Lobo

05-07-2009, 03:42 PM

Yes.

Mr. Todd

05-07-2009, 11:25 PM

Yes, but even if they don't, nobody's gonna call it by it's full name. It'll just be called "Captain America" by the sane population, just like how X-Men Origins: Wolverine was just called "Wolverine".

Hypestyle

05-08-2009, 11:43 AM

don't drop it.. keep it.. nice marketing internationally..

cerealkiller182

05-08-2009, 01:04 PM

Yes, its clunky and takes focus away from Cap and puts it on the roots of Avengers team.

If anything they should at least change it to Captain America: The First Avenger.

Milu

05-08-2009, 03:20 PM

Yes.

Or alternatively, as mentioned, change the title-subtitle around.

Ipodman

05-08-2009, 08:49 PM

Maybe Captain America is gonna have bits and pieces of Ironman, Thor, Hulk squeezed in... so the word "Avenger" will give the idea of the whole team coming together...
but personally i would drop "The 1st avenger"... its like Aliens vs Predator REQUIM??? totally redundant

Octoberist

05-14-2009, 03:43 AM

RachelDawes

05-14-2009, 01:13 PM

The First Avenger sounds so..tacky.

They need to come up with a new title. Why not call it "Captain America"? Who cares if other countries won't 'get it' because no matter what you do, it's about a dude named..Captain America.

Not to mention the fact that, if they don't get it, The First Avenger isn't going to help. What does that title even mean to the average person?

Timstuff

05-21-2009, 02:20 PM

Not to mention the fact that, if they don't get it, The First Avenger isn't going to help. What does that title even mean to the average person?

Exactly. For someone unfamiliar with the Marvel mythos, the term "First Avenger" is going to be meaningless. If they are afraid of the international market, then they can use the whole "First Avenger" thingie, but at least in the US market they should drop it, because no-one is going to call it "First Avenger: Captain America." It's going to be Captain America's movie, so unless they're planning on doing an X-Men Origins on us where ever other freakin' character from the Marvel Universe gets a 5 minute cameo, he shouldn't have to share the title with the Avengers. Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk had no references to the Avengers in their titles, so I don't see why Captain America should.

RachelDawes

05-21-2009, 04:08 PM

Exactly. For someone unfamiliar with the Marvel mythos, the term "First Avenger" is going to be meaningless. If they are afraid of the international market, then they can use the whole "First Avenger" thingie, but at least in the US market they should drop it, because no-one is going to call it "First Avenger: Captain America." It's going to be Captain America's movie, so unless they're planning on doing an X-Men Origins on us where ever other freakin' character from the Marvel Universe gets a 5 minute cameo, he shouldn't have to share the title with the Avengers. Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk had no references to the Avengers in their titles, so I don't see why Captain America should.

Will Thor have an Avenger reference in his title? If not then it's even more pointless.

Spider-Vader

05-24-2009, 12:04 PM

Maybe they'll name Thor, "The Godly Avenger: Thor". :hehe:

Double Down

05-24-2009, 12:51 PM

If they make a sequel, it will be called Captain America 2. Why not just do it right from the beginning?

Gamma Goliath

05-25-2009, 01:28 PM

I kinda agree and disagree on the name, its a little cluncky but it does imply that sure enough he was the first avenger.

ChinoXL

05-25-2009, 02:01 PM

Yeah, I had the same feeling "Captain America" overseas wouldn't do so hot - "First Avenger" then captain america is some what better

04nbod

06-07-2009, 07:15 AM

this could be great internationally, people may think its the long overdue sequel to Team America:World Police

AnorexicBatman

06-07-2009, 07:28 AM

Or you could make a bunch of international posters with Captain [Insert Country Name]
I mean screw the public... once they buy the tickets it won't matter...

Aztec

06-07-2009, 09:24 AM

Kevin Feige confirmed in the now removed press conference that "The First Avenger" title was to help overseas marketing of the film. He said they were hoping that overseas markets would only use "The First Avenger" part for advertising.

bunk

06-07-2009, 11:32 AM

Are there really international audiences that will be more willing to see the movie because the title has an additional word with zero relevance to anything they're familiar with? It doesn't really say much for international audiences if it's true. By the time CAPTAIN AMERICA comes out, it will already be clear to audiences if they've been paying attention, a team movie is the end game for Marvel. Why insult people's intelligence?

Webhead2006

06-07-2009, 12:29 PM

Yea in the end it will probably just be called captain america here in the states and world wide just the first avenger. Though with obama as president now countries that dont like the us have been getting on better relations with us. So maybe it wouldnt matter by the time the film comes out in 2011.

Blackman

06-07-2009, 12:42 PM

PPl will just be calling it Captain America anyways so why put "First Avenger" in front of it

Webhead2006

06-07-2009, 01:53 PM

Its the whole selling point over seas and to countries still hating us i guess.

RachelDawes

06-07-2009, 03:53 PM

bunk

06-07-2009, 05:43 PM

Yeah, that's what I said. I can't imagine anyone saying, "Oh, a movie about an Avenger? I have to see that!" The word means nothing outside of comic book fandom.

Lol, yeah basically. There may have been some use for it when Captain America and Avengers were coming out in the same summer. Now, not so much. It's just bashing a simple concept over everybody's head, which I hope is not indicative of how the scripts will be written.

TwoFace12

06-08-2009, 02:19 PM

I think they should just call it Captain America. How ever "The First Avenger" would work well as a tag line. It sounds more like a tag line rather than a title or subtitle for that matter.

Obi-Ron

06-11-2009, 01:43 PM

It makes one wonder...what he will be avenging? Has to have something he wants revenge for, or the title makes no sense.

Bucky? I doubt they would kill him off in the movie while having him alive in modern day comics.

Maybe the Invaders will have a tragically short-lived cameo. That would be cool, then Namor can come back to free cap from the ice in the Avengers.

tamron

06-11-2009, 02:28 PM

It makes one wonder...what he will be avenging? Has to have something he wants revenge for, or the title makes no sense.

Pearl Harbor?

Obi-Ron

06-11-2009, 02:48 PM

That's got potential.

Spider-Vader

06-11-2009, 05:37 PM

I say they have it be 'Captain America' in the US & "The First Avenger: Captain America" everywhere else.

Judson Caspian

06-11-2009, 09:59 PM

I hate the title. It's like they're trying to say "he was first! Now you won't forget it. See, it's right there in the title!"

How desperate are they?

Rich Santoro

06-14-2009, 12:44 PM

I say switch the order... Captain America: The First Avenger (use FA for the international title)

Webhead2006

06-14-2009, 08:24 PM

Thats what the whole title is probably going to be used for It will be just captain america here in north america and then first avenger captain america on the international prints.

ReallyCoolGuy

06-15-2009, 01:06 AM

How many people even remember the 1990 movie?
There was a 1990 film? ...

ReallyCoolGuy

06-15-2009, 01:11 AM

Where is the "Who gives a crap" option in the poll?

Deaths Head II

06-15-2009, 08:33 AM

I think the movie should just be called Captain America. I don't think the foreign markets will be helped by the subtitle as long as the word "America" is anywhere. They might as well drop the entire "Captain America" part overseas and just call it "The First Avenger" if thats what they're going for.

[A]

06-15-2009, 08:38 AM

Should they drop "First Avenger" from the title?Definitely. Use it as the tagline.

TheVileOne

06-18-2009, 05:02 PM

I definitely have a solution to the American patriotism thing.

Buy the rights to Captain Planet. And rename him Captain Planet.

Hey, kids overseas aren't going to want to go into a toy store and buy a Captain America toy. A Captain International or Captain Planet toy, that's the ticket.

BizarroAids

07-11-2009, 11:25 AM

Like others say, since there is an Avengers movie coming out. And they want the general public to know these movies are tied in, I say keep it. The movie takes place way before the others, so yeah it could show that Iron Man wasn't the first to be asked, since Nick Fury pointed that out to him.

S_H_F_4839

07-22-2009, 02:53 AM

DarkReflections

08-01-2009, 11:39 PM

Yes, for the love of god. It sounds like ass.

lol yeah same here. "the first avenger" just sounds like some alternative title that would be used internationally.

Webhead2006

08-02-2009, 02:19 AM

Ya i said it before it might be called the first avenger: captain america here/elsewhere. But domestically folks are likely to just call it captain america, and the international viewers will consider it the first avenger.

lordofthenerds

08-05-2009, 12:09 PM

Putting "The First Avenger" in the title was a good way to **** it up.

Wesley Dodds

08-05-2009, 12:12 PM

Yes. They should. It's unnecessary and a little long winded.
What are they going to call a sequel?
"The First Avenger: Captain America II"?
"The First Avenger II: Still Captain America"?

Webhead2006

08-05-2009, 12:41 PM

well we know its more for international reasons but like i and others have said here domestically in north america it will probably just be called captain america.

Superhero 101

08-05-2009, 01:29 PM

Or maybe the First cap movie will be The First Avenger: Captain America and the 2nd will be just Captain America

Lucien

08-05-2009, 02:09 PM

Coming from a Brit, I'd rather it just be called "Captain America", but then i'm a Cap fan to begin with. I can see why they might feel the need to tack the "First Avenger" on, but as said, it should be the subtitle. I remember in my ignorance when I used to dismiss Captain America as just a typical American ego-boost type character (no offence intended here), just because of the name. But then I actually READ some Cap comics and it slapped me in the face :p The character deserves his own movie title.

NEXUS 6

08-05-2009, 05:04 PM

I think the way to boost foreign sales lies outside of the title. I mean, the Allied forces didn't just consist of the US. Have characters like Union Jack present, and include them in the foreign trailers more heavily.

[A]

08-05-2009, 07:25 PM

Yes. They should. It's unnecessary and a little long winded.
What are they going to call a sequel?
"The First Avenger: Captain America II"?
"The First Avenger II: Still Captain America"?:hehe:

But yeah, I read they're using this first avenger silliness for international marketing, so.. no biggie