McFarlane Offers Raimi Some Advice on Venom

[Project862006]

If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. So, while you’d be hard-pressed to find many people who thought the black-suited baddie of “Spider-Man 3 (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/spider-man-3/)” lived up to his hype, the mastermind behind the character is encouraged by what he’s been hearing: Venom (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/venom) could make a return appearance in the next Spidey film. “I co-created Venom,” artist/writer/entrepreneur Todd McFarlane (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/todd-mcfarlane) told MTV News. “He was in the last ‘Spider-Man (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/spider-man)’ movie. And I think he might make an appearance here in the next one, too.”
McFarlane told us that he watched closely as director Sam Raimi (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/same-raimi) developed his alien symbiote character into a role for Topher Grace (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/topher-grace) in the 2007 blockbuster; but as the filmmaker sought to draw a light/dark comparison between the similarly-built Grace and Tobey Maguire (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/tobey-maguire), he dropped the ball on a few of the character’s key elements.
“He’s one of the more popular villains of the last ten, fifteen years,” McFarlane explained, offering his advice on the how Venom could be corrected (http://backseatcuddler.com/2008/07/31/spider-man-4-and-venom-are-coming/) for “Spider-Man 4,” his own spin-off (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/03/24/exclusive-are-spider-man-villains-venom-and-carnage-heading-for-a-big-screen-blowout/) and beyond. “Given that I created him, I have a little bit of a bias.”
“I would’ve done a few things different,” McFarlane said of the shortcomings that hindered the movie version of Venom. “When I first created him, I made him huge. That would’ve been the first thing for me; I would’ve wanted somebody who looked like he was three times the size of Spider-Man, so it was almost like Spider-Man going against the Hulk. [I want] someone who is really formidable; whenever you have a skinny character against a big one it’s like ‘Woah, I’m going to have to work today.’ But instead, the two of them were about the same size.”
Furthermore, McFarlane offered: “I would’ve done something more dramatic. [I also would’ve increased] the nastiness; I never cared too much about the comics code. I always pushed the envelope until the editor said ‘You’d better pull that back.’”
Among the many classic titles that McFarlane worked on over the years is Wolverine, and when he spoke with us, he insisted that the success of that character shows that audiences are ready for a big, bad, bloody Venom.
“I think one of the reasons why Wolverine (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/wolverine) is so popular is because he did stuff that Captain America (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/captain-america) or Batman (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/batman) would never do,” McFarlane explained, hoping Venom is properly beefed-up and unleashed in the next “Spider-Man” film. “Today’s generation, they can handle that stuff.”

[SpeterMan3]

Wow, where's that from? Commercially, having Venom in 4 could be either good or bad. Good if they appease the complainers (not saying that I don't have my complaints), or bad if people see that he's back and don't like what they got in 3 and expect it to be the same.

[GoldGoblin]

Raimi has total control of SM4 and Venom isn't gonna be in it.

[Project862006]

we never would of got venom if it wasn't for Sony sadly raimi hated the character and did not want it in the movie

[Adrian89]

Yet, he could've said "NO!" to their ideas (just like he did with the first two movies which turned out great), but he didn't!:rolleyes:

Anyway, the whole SM3 debate needs to end and all the discussions about how it should've been done, Venom etc. It's over. Move on already!

Let's wait for SM4 and see what it shall bring us, hopefully only good things!:)

[The Joker]

Raimi has total control of SM4 and Venom isn't gonna be in it.

Thank god!

[LightningFlash]

Hahahaha, even he didn't like Raimi's Venom.

[Metal Spidey]

“When I first created him, I made him huge. That would’ve been the first thing for me; I would’ve wanted somebody who looked like he was three times the size of Spider-Man, so it was almost like Spider-Man going against the Hulk. [I want] someone who is really formidable; whenever you have a skinny character against a big one it’s like ‘Woah, I’m going to have to work today.’ But instead, the two of them were about the same size.”

Thank you Todd. I don't mention it often because I'm afraid I'd be called a fanboy but one of the biggest problems I had with Venom in SM3 was his ridiculous size! There I said it!

[venom892]

Venom shouldn't be SM4 nor do I expect him to be.If Venom gets his own Spin off{Which I don't see how that would work without at least a Spider-man Cameo.}Let that be the continuation of the Venom story.

[TheVileOne]

Where do reporters and McFarlane get off making this **** up?

Since when is Venom in Spider-man 4 when every indication says that Venom won't be in it.

Does McFarlane even own a computer?

[Beanjuice]

Raimi has total control of SM4 and Venom isn't gonna be in it.


I believe thats Rami's decision and remains to be seen

[Spiderine]

Nice to see Mcfarlane feels that way about a character he created and not surprising but bottom line is Sam hates the character and he aint comin back in SM4, hopefully.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Venom won't be in S-M4.

[VenomVsSpidey]

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Anyway, the whole SM3 debate needs to end and all the discussions about how it should've been done, Venom etc. It's over. Move on already!

\:)

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[dark_b]

raimi never said he hates him. he said that he doesnt find him interesting and emotional if i remember correctly.

[venom892]

He hates him!:cmad:No I really don't beleive that I just think Rami prefers to work on characters he has a passion for which are the claasic villians.I think we have enough proof that when given the option Rami does awesome with the classic villians.Only exception being Sandman.

[Sentinel X]

Venom....the most overrated Spider-man villain ever.



No thanks. Thank God Raimi doesn't like him enough to bring him back either.

[E.Brock]

Venom....the most overrated Spider-man villain ever.



No thanks. Thank God Raimi doesn't like him enough to bring him back either.


you really want to start this...

[TheScarecrow]

I don't understand the fuss with Venom either to be honest, he's decent enough but I don't think there's all that much to him.

Raimi is in his element with "classic" villains and that's who he needs to stick to.

[Immortalfire]

Raimi has total control of SM4 and Venom isn't gonna be in it.

Indeed.

[The Joker]

Venom....the most overrated Spider-man villain ever.



No thanks. Thank God Raimi doesn't like him enough to bring him back either.

Amen to that :up:

[Wesley Dodds]

Let me offer McFarlane some advice... Stop acting like people care about what you think! Just sit back and count your action figure money like a good boy, eh?

"McFarlane offers Raimi some advice on Venom" Hahahaha! Who gives a **** what McFarlane and his ego thinks? What is this, 1991?

[Colossus]

I was disappointed with Venom in SM3, being a big fan I was upset when they killed him within the 20 minutes of screen time he had. I believe it is in the best interest of the franchise to save Venom for a reboot series.

[webhead731]

I like Todd, I like Spawn, and he did awesome with Venom, but his advice isn't that good. No way would Hulk-Venom work on screen. Not every comic book has Venom as big as that, alot have him just a bit bigger than Spidey, which he was.

Todd, you created a great thing, but people improved on it. That's just like if the guy who created the first car were alive today telling people what to do better, when he isn't even involved anymore.

[Figs]

Let me offer McFarlane some advice... Stop acting like people care about what you think! Just sit back and count your action figure money like a good boy, eh?

"McFarlane offers Raimi some advice on Venom" Hahahaha! Who gives a **** what McFarlane and his ego thinks? What is this, 1991?

Hahaha.

Were you molested by McFarlane as a child? Some peope's unjustified hate towards successful people is incredibly hilarious sometimes. I don't think McFarlane is the bomb or anything but you sound like you have a bitter agenda against him.

[weezerspider]

Let me offer McFarlane some advice... Stop acting like people care about what you think! Just sit back and count your action figure money like a good boy, eh?

"McFarlane offers Raimi some advice on Venom" Hahahaha! Who gives a **** what McFarlane and his ego thinks? What is this, 1991?

Actually, one should give a **** what McFarlane thinks about Venom because he created him.

That said, theres no need for Venom in Sm-4.

[venom892]

I love Mcfarlane's art but I hear he is a prick.:o

[Spider-ManHero12]

Edit - nvm.

[snakeinthegear]

I think McFarlane has every right to voice his opinion on a character he created and the changes he would have made are fair enough. However, these aren't his movies. Furthermore, I do agree with him that not just enom but certain villains in general need to be let loose instead of being watered down. If we get venom in another spidey movie, great! But he's sure not neeed now.

[Infinity9999x]

The problem I have with McFarlane's advice is with one thing:

It's all about the visual. Which, when you come down to it, is at the core of Venom's biggest problem in the comics. He looked cool, but as a villain, his motives were undeveloped and fairly silly. TAS did a better job of developing Venom as character than McFarlane did (and a better job than Raimi as well). This is one reason why I think all his advice is fairly useless. Yeah, Venom wasn't huge, and I would have liked him to be huge, but he looked enough like Venom that it wasn't a big issue for me, because, quite frankly, I'm more concerned with Venom's characterization than I am with his look.

It's also why Raimi really got on my nerves with his treatment of Venom. He said multiple times that Venom didn't interest him. Well, he had Venom forced upon him, and he gave him the bare-bones treatment, and it had me pulling my hair out, because I kept thinking

"If you don't like his characterization...CHANGE IT!! You obviously don't have a problem with doing that to characters (as we've seen with Doc Ock and Sandman). "

[SpaceWay2009]

^Agreed.

[OcStat]

I'm glad Venom wasn't huge in the movie...I mean McFarlane started drawing him huge, so of course that is his preference, but it just got so exaggerated in the hands of others, to where he literally was Hulk sized. I always thought that was lame. I have always liked Bagley's ripped but not massive Venom, and JRJR's way slimmed down Venom is probably my favorite. I think it serves the idea of Venom being Spider-Man's opposite better, especially in the context within the movie.

[Spidey-Quad]

I refuse to even glance at Wolverine because of FOX, and my love of the earl;y New X-Men version (John Byner's) of the character. They (FOX) has used up their free pass with me. Similarly if Venom is anywhere near S4 Sony will not see my hard earn deniros.

I do not mind a Venom spin-off at the least. Just leave him away from a Raimi made Spider-man movie. Not trying to start a war, I'm just more "old school and think there is so much untouched from the first 130 issues.

[Adrian89]

The problem I have with McFarlane's advice is with one thing:

It's all about the visual. Which, when you come down to it, is at the core of Venom's biggest problem in the comics. He looked cool, but as a villain, his motives were undeveloped and fairly silly. TAS did a better job of developing Venom as character than McFarlane did (and a better job than Raimi as well). This is one reason why I think all his advice is fairly useless. Yeah, Venom wasn't huge, and I would have liked him to be huge, but he looked enough like Venom that it wasn't a big issue for me, because, quite frankly, I'm more concerned with Venom's characterization than I am with his look.

It's also why Raimi really got on my nerves with his treatment of Venom. He said multiple times that Venom didn't interest him. Well, he had Venom forced upon him, and he gave him the bare-bones treatment, and it had me pulling my hair out, because I kept thinking

"If you don't like his characterization...CHANGE IT!! You obviously don't have a problem with doing that to characters (as we've seen with Doc Ock and Sandman). "
I agree, you always make sense. That's why I like your posts on this forum.

[Hobgoblin]

Raimi has total control of SM4 and Venom isn't gonna be in it.

Exactly. Even if Venom did show up in Spidey 4, Sam wouldnt want him to be anything like what McFarlane described. It would be the antithesis of what Sam likes in a villain.

[Metal Spidey]

Venom....the most overrated Spider-man villain ever.

No... you... didn't. :cmad:

Let me offer McFarlane some advice... Stop acting like people care about what you think! Just sit back and count your action figure money like a good boy, eh?

"McFarlane offers Raimi some advice on Venom" Hahahaha! Who gives a **** what McFarlane and his ego thinks? What is this, 1991?

I care what he thinks. Especially since he created the character.

I think it serves the idea of Venom being Spider-Man's opposite better, especially in the context within the movie.

His opposite better? What does that mean?

Exactly. Even if Venom did show up in Spidey 4, Sam wouldnt want him to be anything like what McFarlane described. It would be the antithesis of what Sam likes in a villain.

McFarlane never said that Venom will be in Spider-Man 4, he just said he thinks he will. And what exactly does Raimi like in a villain? Inaccuracy? Puniness? Lame dialogue?

[Ace of Knaves]

He means Venom/Eddie being the opposite side of the same coin to Spidey/Peter. Them both being similar in physique emphasizes this.

Venom may be shallow in the books, but he could of been a AWESOME movie villain, if Raimi used his loaf.

What happened to all those stories about Brock having a really bad upbringing and having a rough life compared to Parkers? They should of explored that, given Brock a real reason to hate Parker. Well not a real reason but it gives him motivation for hating him.

You make Brock a stronger character then Venom would become a stronger, more interesting villain automatically.

[American_Hobo]

He means Venom/Eddie being the opposite side of the same coin to Spidey/Peter. Them both being similar in physique emphasizes this.

Venom may be shallow in the books, but he could of been a AWESOME movie villain, if Raimi used his loaf.

What happened to all those stories about Brock having a really bad upbringing and having a rough life compared to Parkers? They should of explored that, given Brock a real reason to hate Parker. Well not a real reason but it gives him motivation for hating him.

You make Brock a stronger character then Venom would become a stronger, more interesting villain automatically.

You're right about everything.
Like I said many times before, I have lots of faith in this movie because ANYTHING they do with Venom in this movie will be better than how Venom was treated in Spiderman 3. And I mean anything....

[Hobgoblin]

McFarlane never said that Venom will be in Spider-Man 4, he just said he thinks he will. And what exactly does Raimi like in a villain? Inaccuracy? Puniness? Lame dialogue?

Maybe, but as director he can make the characters any way he wants. In this case, Sam Raimi's opinions outweigh Todd McFarlane's, just like they outweighed Stan Lee's.

[Venom 1988]

you really want to start this...
Well he is right. Venom is greatly overrated.

I care what he thinks. Especially since he created the character. He co-created the character. And by that, I mean he only designed Venom. No thoughts came from his head about the creation of the character. David Michiline already had the idea of Venom before McFarlane was put on the book.

[Venom75]

Venom will not be in Spider-man 4. The character was ruined by Spidey 3 and even if Raimi wanted to use him,he doesn't get Venom anyway. Raimi should never go near the character ever again. Move on to Spider-man 4 and the solo Venom film.

Now,with that being said. Everything that has come out of McFarlene's mouth concerning Venom,his solo film and involvement in Spider-man is 100% correct. I couldn't agree more!!
Venom needs to be more vicious,evil and frightening than he was in Spidey 3. He also works best as a villain. Turning him into the "hero" went against everything that made him fun in the first place. Despite how some of you feel,he had a hand in creating Venom and he knows how the character should be portrayed. In fact,when developing the Venom movie,I highly suggest the writers/producers consult with McFarlene about creating the character and his world,thoughts and goals.
Personally,Venom has been my all time favorite villain,and in some cases he even passes Spidey as my all time favorite character ever. I love the dark twisted soul in Eddie Brock and then the unleashed monsterous hatred of Venom. In the past the character has not always gotten the best treatment as far development or story,but over the last few years he has made leaps and bounds. From Spider-man 3 to Dark Origins to The Spectacular Spider-man series. I love his look,attitude and the battle that goes on inside the symbiote,inside the tortured soul of Eddie Brock.
Honestly,everyone has their own opinion but I just don't like it when people call Venom overrated,or lacking character or what not. Venom,the symbiote and Brock himself have a TON of depth and character,but the potential hasn't really been tapped untill recently. He/they are a fascinating and dark character that isn't given enough credit at times.

[The Joker]

A solo Venom movie is not going to work. The only way Venom works is as a villain to Spidey. He was created for that very purpose. It's his entire reason for being. Without Spidey he's nothing. Even with Spidey he's not much.

Overused and overrated. The only reason McFarlane wants Venom in SM-4 is so he can make money from the royalties. And as Venom 1988 said, McFarlane is a co-creator. he designed Venom. David Micheleine did the writing of him.

[Metal Spidey]

He means Venom/Eddie being the opposite side of the same coin to Spidey/Peter. Them both being similar in physique emphasizes this.

But does that necessarily have to equal the same physical size? Batman and The Joker have been given the same coin analogy but I'm pretty sure that Bruce is way more built that The Joker.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea fair point. But regardless, that is what they were going for with SM3 I think.

[Infinity9999x]

I agree, you always make sense. That's why I like your posts on this forum.

Thanks :yay:

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

I like Todd, I like Spawn, and he did awesome with Venom, but his advice isn't that good. No way would Hulk-Venom work on screen. Not every comic book has Venom as big as that, alot have him just a bit bigger than Spidey, which he was.

Todd, you created a great thing, but people improved on it. That's just like if the guy who created the first car were alive today telling people what to do better, when he isn't even involved anymore.

Exactly, I loved Venom the way he was, although I would prefer the way Venom was in "The Black" comic book.

[Spidey-Quad]

My favorite Venom moment? When the Sentry took Casiddy into orbit. My problem with Venom has been all the "children" they have "spurting" out of him. Carnage ruined Venom to me, but I'm way past my adolesence so...

... just give me characters like the Black Cat. Whoo-hoo!

[EVILNEON]

I love Mcfarlane's art but I hear he is a prick.:o


I agree 100% . I loved his work on Spider-man and Spawn. He also did a few Batman covers also.

[Reikowolf]

Not pissing on McFarlane or anything but he didn't create the character, David Michelinie and
Mike Zeck (alien costume designed after the Spider-Woman at the time) did.

McFarlane is credited for the overly huge muscles and teeth

so his advise would have been more like

"Add more muscles... oh and make him drool green"

McFarlane is talented (heck he's from my home province) but people give him way too much credit as even Spawn is designed after Venom...which he didn't originally conceive (Venom wasn't, he did create spawn but you get what I'm saying)

[LightningFlash]

Venom....the most overrated Spider-man villain ever.



No thanks. Thank God Raimi doesn't like him enough to bring him back either.

Spider-Man himself is overrated.

[I Am The Knight]

I seriously doubt Venom will be in SM4 under Raimi's watch.

[UltimateJustin]

I don't see Venom making another appearance in a movie that all ready has its hands full with The Scorpion, Mysterio, Jean DeWolf, and a Namor cameo.

[NewYorkSpider]

Venom will not be in SM4.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Venom will not be in SM4.

Who are you to afirm this?

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ He won't though. I mean, the spin-off film is coming out anyway. Besides, the Villains Sam hinted at last year was VIllians from Lee's era.

[Hobgoblin]

I don't see Venom making another appearance in a movie that all ready has its hands full with The Scorpion, Mysterio, Jean DeWolf, and a Namor cameo.

What makes you think those characters will show up?

[I Am The Knight]

Oh, don't get him started, please...

[spidermilk]

Let me offer McFarlane some advice... Stop acting like people care about what you think! Just sit back and count your action figure money like a good boy, eh?

"McFarlane offers Raimi some advice on Venom" Hahahaha! Who gives a **** what McFarlane and his ego thinks? What is this, 1991?

This is good news defo, sp3 sucked big time , although venom looked cool they didn't do him justice.

[Dog Logan]

I don't see how anyone could say what MacFarlane says about Venom doesn't matter, he did come up with the design, and I agree that it would've been nice to see a bigger Venom on film. He doesn't have to look like the Hulk, but it would be cool to see him near bodybuilder status. The only reason his size didn't piss me off is because it plays into the factor of Venom & Spidey being opposites, but Topher did seem bigger than Tobey and in better shape.

[spider-neil]

I absolutely love spidey and love raimi but if venom were to make a return for SM4 I'd have to give that movie a pas I'm afraid. but I needn't worry, there is ZERO chance of venom making a return in SM4.

[spider-neil]

Spider-Man himself is overrated.

I think spidey when done correctly is one of the most complex and involving characters in comics.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

I absolutely love spidey and love raimi but if venom were to make a return for SM4 I'd have to give that movie a pas I'm afraid. but I needn't worry, there is ZERO chance of venom making a return in SM4.

I think atleast Brock should appear sometimes in SM4, just a few seconds in different places so Peter thinks he's starting to go mad.

[The Joker]

I think atleast Brock should appear sometimes in SM4, just a few seconds in different places so Peter thinks he's starting to go mad.

Good god, NO!

It's not like Brock was in Peter's life long enough to have that kind of impact on Peter anyway. He's the most forgettable of all the villains so far.

[spider-neil]

venom is obviously a 90's thing because I honestly and truly don't see the appeal of the character. is there a more one dimensional villian in comics today?

[SpeterMan3]

Well, technically because they're on paper... all villains in comics are one-dimensional.



Not what you meant?

[Adrian89]

I think atleast Brock should appear sometimes in SM4, just a few seconds in different places so Peter thinks he's starting to go mad.
I have a better idea: he should turn into a zombie and walk out of his grave. lol in fact, he doesn't have a grave since there was nothing left to burry because he literally got blown up!:oldrazz:

[HughJackFan420]

since the other thread was locked....

if there gonna make a Venom spin-off it should soley be based off the parallel events of Spider-Man 3 and what happens after Spider-Man 3. and i hate to say it but Topher Grace should reprise his role due to the fact that fans (like myself) hate when hollywood changes actors who we are use to seeing playing the same role. Hence the first Batman movie series (Van Kilmer, George Clooney wtf?) I think the spinoff should show Brock getting to know his powers. in Spidey 3 he new who Peter was, he knew where MJ lived, he knew about Sandman and his daughter but never did we get an explanation of how the suit is able to absorb not only the energy from its host but the memories as well. to be the perfect spin off would be Venom's parallel events in Spidey 3 when we saw him off screen beginning to get to know his suit and its powers as well as how Venom survives the explosion in the last scene of Spidey 3 then top it off with a Carnage intro so that way Venom has 2 coflicts. One where he battles the alien forces of the suit and his human side rejecting from going full blown alien. He gets help from his father Eddie Brock Sr. (going the the Ultimate Comics route as well as he keeps mentioning he's Eddie Brock "Jr.") His father is a scientist who that his science partner is Peter Parker's father and is a good friend as well. This gives Eddie Jr. a soft spot for Peter (kind of like a Sabertooth & Wolverine relationship we got in the X-Men Origins movie)His father also reveals that Peter's father and him have already discovered a sample of the symbiote many years ago and let's Eddie Jr. know how it can cure cancer as well as it's powers.
Intertwined into the spinoff should be mysterious murders from Cledus Cassidy where in the end he gets caught up and is sentenced to the death penalty. and right when he's about to get electrocuted thats when he should don the suit. as to how that can be left up to hollywood. Spidey of course is out of the picture since this is a Venom spinoff but he should at least be mentioned by news or the Daily Bugle basically showing him busy fighting crime else where. again the conflict should be Venom vs Eddie Brock and later Venom vs Carnage.

[[A]]

Maybe Raimi can advice McFarlane how to draw.

[Reikowolf]

"i'm going to put some dirt in your eyes" - Peter Parker

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Good god, NO!

It's not like Brock was in Peter's life long enough to have that kind of impact on Peter anyway. He's the most forgettable of all the villains so far.

Just because Eddie was the only villian Peter killed by himself.

[Reikowolf]

Peter didnt make Eddie jump to grab the goblin bomb.

he was trying to kill the symbiote.

[The Joker]

Just because Eddie was the only villian Peter killed by himself.

Peter didn't kill Eddie. Did he throw the pumpkin bomb at Eddie? Did he push Eddie into the pumpkin bomb? No and no.

Eddie took a dive at it by his own choice. He killed himself.

[DACrowe]

:Yawn:

We've heard this stuff for two years now. It makes me sleepy. Pesonally, McFarlne is a crap writer and he created the image of the character, not the backstory or personality. I actually think making Venom Spidey's dopplenganger with Topher Grace was a VAST IMPROVEMENT in terms of concept. Execution was just as muddled as the character is in the comics. I do agree Venom could have been nastier, but c'est la vie.

[Spiderine]

I seriously doubt Venom will be in SM4 under Raimi's watch.
Good.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Peter didn't kill Eddie. Did he throw the pumpkin bomb at Eddie? Did he push Eddie into the pumpkin bomb? No and no.

Eddie took a dive at it by his own choice. He killed himself.

Well still, peter throwed the bomb with the intention of killing something... :o:oldrazz:

[Dog Logan]

"Throwed"? Is that even a word?

[SpeterMan3]

^^ It's a Chris Brown song! Wooo! Lol.

[SpaceWay2009]

"Throwed"? Is that even a word?LOL...No, it's not. The past tense for "throw" is "threw."

[SpeterMan3]

Tell that to Chris Brown...

[bullets]

Eddie Brock is dead , who would be venom ? I don't even think a spinoff is a good idea.

I do like the character though and actually was excited about Topher Grace's venom at one point. They ruined it though.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Eddie Brock is dead , who would be venom ? I don't even think a spinoff is a good idea.

I do like the character though and actually was excited about Topher Grace's venom at one point. They ruined it though.

For me the only problem was the screen time.

[Ace of Knaves]

Of Venom or Brock?

I think he was ruined because Brock wasn't a good enough character. Am I supposed to believe that a guy wants someone dead because they embarrassed them in front of co-workers and got them fired? Well, I could believe that if more of his personality was explored and that it was a SERIES of events that made him snap. Not just one.

[Vengeance of Bane]

Personally I don't think Topher is much of an actor, when it comes to range. He baically does the ame act in every thing he's in. Brock should have been a threat to Peter and as Venom he should have been a terryfying creature. It could have been awesome, if Raimi would have used his awesome horror influence to create Venom and use him as a Jaws like figure, who spreads terror whenever he's on screen.

[Venom'sDad]

Eddie Brock is dead , who would be venom ? I don't even think a spinoff is a good idea.
I think he was ruined because Brock wasn't a good enough character.
Well, I certainly would think the would go with the classic and use Eddie Brock Sr... he has more potential for character development than Jr. We all have witness that.

[SpaceWay2009]

Tell that to Chris Brown...LOL..No comment. :woot:

[Infinity9999x]

Personally I don't think Topher is much of an actor, when it comes to range. He baically does the ame act in every thing he's in. Brock should have been a threat to Peter and as Venom he should have been a terryfying creature. It could have been awesome, if Raimi would have used his awesome horror influence to create Venom and use him as a Jaws like figure, who spreads terror whenever he's on screen.

Even if you do believe that about Topher, you can't really blame him for Venom. He had what? Ten, maybe fifteen minutes tops of screen time?

However, I completely agree with your sentiments about making Venom a jaws-like character, that would have been great. Especially if they took a point from his first comic appearance and have him stalking Peter.

[bullets]

For me the only problem was the screen time.

It's hard to say how much better it would of been with more time. I did like Topher's performance and can't blame anything on him specifically.
I also liked how he was similar to Parker in size , like a doppleganger.

Should they of killed him off , I don't know .

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Of Venom or Brock?

I think he was ruined because Brock wasn't a good enough character. Am I supposed to believe that a guy wants someone dead because they embarrassed them in front of co-workers and got them fired? Well, I could believe that if more of his personality was explored and that it was a SERIES of events that made him snap. Not just one.

Both, they should have been the main and only villian of the story and they weren't. And some other were cutted off aswell wich made it even worse.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

It's hard to say how much better it would of been with more time. I did like Topher's performance and can't blame anything on him specifically.
I also liked how he was similar to Parker in size , like a doppleganger.

Should they of killed him off , I don't know .

If he was a Full movie villian, his death wouldn't piss me off as much.

[bullets]

I wouldn't of killed off Brock until Spider-man 4 . He could of also worked as a sublot for the next couple of films much like Harry was.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

I wouldn't of killed off Brock until Spider-man 4 . He could of also worked as a sublot for the next couple of films much like Harry was.

Then just don't kill him at all, it would be fun to see Spider-man get stalked all the time.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea they had an opportunity to do something unique with Venom. Make him a re-occuring antagonist who randomly pops up in the other movies. Maybe not even announce that he would be in the films and have him pop up as a surprise.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Yea they had an opportunity to do something unique with Venom. Make him a re-occuring antagonist who randomly pops up in the other movies. Maybe not even announce that he would be in the films and have him pop up as a surprise.

That would be awesome and would help with his spin-off.

[bullets]

It would of been a better way to set a spinoff. Over the course of the films he would try to fight crime ... happened in the comics.

[Venom 1988]

^^^
Just because it happened in the comics, doesn't mean it was good.

[bullets]

^^^
Just because it happened in the comics, doesn't mean it was good.



Believe me I know . I just don't see how they would pull off a Venom spinoff without trying to go that route.

[Dark Victory]

Todd McFarlane also thinks Spawn still deserves a sequel.:o

[Stripesy Strip]

I always thought interesting that in the movie the Topher Grace character was called Eddie Brock Jr. It offers possibilities for the futur. That Topher was the son of the real Eddie. Now that his son has died, you have him coming in to get revenge and he could become a new Venom. The bigger, meaner, blond furry that we know from the comics.

Furthermore you could draw on the comics for inspiration. Before Brock became vengeful of Peter Parker, there was this story of The criminal Sin Eater. Brock, a journalist himself broke the story but Parker revealed that Brock had connection with the Sin Eater and he lost his job, was disgraced and it lead to him becoming Venom. In the new version you could have Eddie Brock create a villain called "The Sin Eater" just to discredit Spider-Man and Peter Parker where Spidey would mess up or something. When it fails, he thinks about commiting suicide but then the symbiote finds him and he becomes a new Venom.

[Reikowolf]

I always thought interesting that in the movie the Topher Grace character was called Eddie Brock Jr. It offers possibilities for the futur. That Topher was the son of the real Eddie. Now that his son has died, you have him coming in to get revenge and he could become a new Venom. The bigger, meaner, blond furry that we know from the comics.

Furthermore you could draw on the comics for inspiration. Before Brock became vengeful of Peter Parker, there was this story of The criminal Sin Eater. Brock, a journalist himself broke the story but Parker revealed that Brock had connection with the Sin Eater and he lost his job, was disgraced and it lead to him becoming Venom. In the new version you could have Eddie Brock create a villain called "The Sin Eater" just to discredit Spider-Man and Peter Parker where Spidey would mess up or something. When it fails, he thinks about commiting suicide but then the symbiote finds him and he becomes a new Venom.

Eddie Brock Jr. is the USM Venom. SM3's venom was based on this character design as he would fit to be much closer to Parker's age.

Eddie Brock has no children in the comics.

That being said, in the comics, Sandman didn't kill uncle Ben. So your idea isn't that far fetched.

[kropotkin]

dunno if anyone said this before but i personally think it was pretty silly to kill off the venom in spidey 3. he's just the coolest character for me ever and i was very disappointed. and also i think they should have made his jaw longer. if all else fails i'm hoping at least to get a glimpse of the lizard in spidey 4.

[Minus Shock]

Man I wish McFarlane would have sent that memo to Raimi. I mean it seems more threatening to have the Symbiote find a beefier guy after it was attached to Parker ya know? I mean if it makes Parker stronger, what would that do for someone who was already 3x his strength naturally?

[nolan's roll'n]

I whole-heartedly agree with everything that McFarlane said, Raimi messed up Venom and they should have brought in an actor to play him who was bulkier and bigger then Maguire. They should have showed a nastier venom and an even more hateful Brock towards Parker. They should have made Brock become pissed at Peter for making him lose his job and what not, and yeah he definitely should'nt have been as skinny as Topher Grace. Although I sometimes still watch That 70's show, lol.

[Minus Shock]

I really still wish Topher would have been Peter Parker. Maye I'm alone there, but I just watched Spider-Man 3 again and oy. I really just don't like Tobey Maguire

[drax]

The problem that McFarlane don't understand it's that the inspiration of this Venom is from the Ultimates style, and not from the early 90's stuff, his suggestion can't work imo because it's not really the same Venom.

[Chocolate eater]

If the inspiration was from the ultimate version, doesn't that mean we would get a bulky and monstrous venom in the movie instead? Unless your talking about the character of the ultimate version... then no since movie venom is much more intelligent and the only thing he shares with his Ultimate cousin are the feral traits.

[Minus Shock]

Yeah but the Ultimized Venom was so terrible. I think McFarlane likely doesn't even acknowledge that version of him.

[drax]

If the inspiration was from the ultimate version, doesn't that mean we would get a bulky and monstrous venom in the movie instead? Unless your talking about the character of the ultimate version... then no since movie venom is much more intelligent and the only thing he shares with his Ultimate cousin are the feral traits.

I have never said that it was a copy of the ultimates Venom, but more an inspiration (it's for that I don't take the comment of McFarlane about the muscular Venom seriously, also because he don't have any experience for the reality and the difficulty for to do a Movie), I can understand the problem with the Venom, but for me his appearance was cool in the movie, I was already aware of his appearance before to see it, and it was very logic that the Venom would have been a limited appearance (specially because it's not easy to built the link between the symbiote of Parker and Venom for the same movie), but I can understand the frustation of some fans.

I really like the style of Venom in the movie (I like the performance of Topher Grace) and I have no problem with that, and I'm sure that he is not really dead in the end of the movie (they already talk about a spin-off), they can easily make lot of change if they need to do about the character, I really hope to see a Spin-off about the character.

For me the Harvey Dent was far worse and direspectful in the Dark Knight Movie for example (not really a villain, with no action sequence and minor apperance like double face).

[Minus Shock]

The decision to use an ultimate inspired Venom though is unnecessary. It wouldn't have been any harder to get a built actor to portray Brock as most know and love him. I think the point of what McFarlane was making was whether it is in Ultimate, or the movie, that is not the Venom that should be seen. Which I agree with him on that point.

[Gamma Goliath]

I feel like they should of gone with either the 616 or the ultimate, not some half baked mash up. The beefed up 616 version would of been fine, and if I'm not mistaken he was a reporter not a photographer, his venom form would be pretty big, very close to the size of the actor who played him.

The ultimate venom plot could of worked as well, have Brock and Parker be childhood friends, the symbiote corrupts both of them, and make venom the monstrous size like he was in the ultimate comics and have him feed on civilians. And for both versions don't have him screech, have him roar and give him a very deep gravley voice.

[Minus Shock]

I feel like they should of gone with either the 616 or the ultimate, not some half baked mash up. The beefed up 616 version would of been fine, and if I'm not mistaken he was a reporter not a photographer, his venom form would be pretty big, very close to the size of the actor who played him.

The ultimate venom plot could of worked as well, have Brock and Parker be childhood friends, the symbiote corrupts both of them, and make venom the monstrous size like he was in the ultimate comics and have him feed on civilians. And for both versions don't have him screech, have him roar and give him a very deep gravley voice.

That would have worked better I think. One or the other.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

I have never said that it was a copy of the ultimates Venom, but more an inspiration (it's for that I don't take the comment of McFarlane about the muscular Venom seriously, also because he don't have any experience for the reality and the difficulty for to do a Movie), I can understand the problem with the Venom, but for me his appearance was cool in the movie, I was already aware of his appearance before to see it, and it was very logic that the Venom would have been a limited appearance (specially because it's not easy to built the link between the symbiote of Parker and Venom for the same movie), but I can understand the frustation of some fans.

I really like the style of Venom in the movie (I like the performance of Topher Grace) and I have no problem with that, and I'm sure that he is not really dead in the end of the movie (they already talk about a spin-off), they can easily make lot of change if they need to do about the character, I really hope to see a Spin-off about the character.

For me the Harvey Dent was far worse and direspectful in the Dark Knight Movie for example (not really a villain, with no action sequence and minor apperance like double face).

:up:

[Venom160]

If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. So, while you’d be hard-pressed to find many people who thought the black-suited baddie of “Spider-Man 3 (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/spider-man-3/)” lived up to his hype, the mastermind behind the character is encouraged by what he’s been hearing: Venom (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/venom) could make a return appearance in the next Spidey film. “I co-created Venom,” artist/writer/entrepreneur Todd McFarlane (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/todd-mcfarlane) told MTV News. “He was in the last ‘Spider-Man (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/spider-man)’ movie. And I think he might make an appearance here in the next one, too.”
McFarlane told us that he watched closely as director Sam Raimi (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/same-raimi) developed his alien symbiote character into a role for Topher Grace (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/topher-grace) in the 2007 blockbuster; but as the filmmaker sought to draw a light/dark comparison between the similarly-built Grace and Tobey Maguire (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/tobey-maguire), he dropped the ball on a few of the character’s key elements.
“He’s one of the more popular villains of the last ten, fifteen years,” McFarlane explained, offering his advice on the how Venom could be corrected (http://backseatcuddler.com/2008/07/31/spider-man-4-and-venom-are-coming/) for “Spider-Man 4,” his own spin-off (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/03/24/exclusive-are-spider-man-villains-venom-and-carnage-heading-for-a-big-screen-blowout/) and beyond. “Given that I created him, I have a little bit of a bias.”
“I would’ve done a few things different,” McFarlane said of the shortcomings that hindered the movie version of Venom. “When I first created him, I made him huge. That would’ve been the first thing for me; I would’ve wanted somebody who looked like he was three times the size of Spider-Man, so it was almost like Spider-Man going against the Hulk. [I want] someone who is really formidable; whenever you have a skinny character against a big one it’s like ‘Woah, I’m going to have to work today.’ But instead, the two of them were about the same size.”
Furthermore, McFarlane offered: “I would’ve done something more dramatic. [I also would’ve increased] the nastiness; I never cared too much about the comics code. I always pushed the envelope until the editor said ‘You’d better pull that back.’”
Among the many classic titles that McFarlane worked on over the years is Wolverine, and when he spoke with us, he insisted that the success of that character shows that audiences are ready for a big, bad, bloody Venom.
“I think one of the reasons why Wolverine (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/wolverine) is so popular is because he did stuff that Captain America (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/captain-america) or Batman (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/batman) would never do,” McFarlane explained, hoping Venom is properly beefed-up and unleashed in the next “Spider-Man” film. “Today’s generation, they can handle that stuff.”Sony listen to the McFarlane! You have a chance to fix the character so listen to the guy who had a hand in creating the character. Please don't turn my favorite character into another Barakapool.

[Gamma Goliath]

I think the best way a venom movie would work is as a prequel to sm4 or sm5, then bring back a corrected character.

[thejon93]

I think the best way a venom movie would work is as a prequel to sm4 or sm5, then bring back a corrected character.
Honestly, I don't think that'd work at all. You wanna make a bad 'Venom' movie? Have a lot of unnecessary "explaining" in it. If not, don't explain. And, the audience will be confused. It'd be best if the studio made this 'Venom' film a stand-alone film. They have a character who they can expand upon from the comics, because in the comics, he was never really that interesting nor fleshed-out. The best adaption of the character to date (and in my opinion) has to be the 'Spectacular Spider-Man' version from the cartoon series. They don't have to make it like 'The Dark Knight' or 'Batman Begins' and give us some boring character-study. Just give us a character that's faithful to the comic-book counterpart and, at the same time, give us something that will make the character far more interesting than he's ever been.

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah I love how they adapted him in the spectacular spider man cartoon, very clever.

[The Overlord]

But really how nasty could you have made Venom in these movies, they are PG-13 after all, he can't do anything R rated and I don't they would let him kill a main character, so what is he supposed to do?

[NewYorkSpider]

It's not like they have to show him killing people. All they need to do is gives us an idea on what he's done.

[The Overlord]

It's not like they have to show him killing people. All they need to do is gives us an idea on what he's done.

Well then all he could do is kill random civilians in a PG-13 manner, which isn't interesting in of itself unless there is a reason for such behaviour.

[The Overlord]

It's not like they have to show him killing people. All they need to do is gives us an idea on what he's done.

Well then all he could do is kill random civilians in a PG-13 manner, which isn't interesting in of itself unless there is a reason for such behaviour.

[Venom'sDad]

I have to agree with NYSpider on this one, there are ways it can be done.

[The Overlord]

I have to agree with NYSpider on this one, there are ways it can be done.

How?

[Venom'sDad]

How?

Read this.... (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=17012044&postcount=25)

[Hobgoblin]

I feel like they should of gone with either the 616 or the ultimate, not some half baked mash up. The beefed up 616 version would of been fine, and if I'm not mistaken he was a reporter not a photographer, his venom form would be pretty big, very close to the size of the actor who played him.

The ultimate venom plot could of worked as well, have Brock and Parker be childhood friends, the symbiote corrupts both of them, and make venom the monstrous size like he was in the ultimate comics and have him feed on civilians. And for both versions don't have him screech, have him roar and give him a very deep gravley voice.

That was my biggest disappointment with Venom. He didnt have the menacing quality that I was expecting. A screech is much less intimidating than a roar or growl.

[DACMAN]

Where do reporters and McFarlane get off making this **** up?

Since when is Venom in Spider-man 4 when every indication says that Venom won't be in it.

Does McFarlane even own a computer?

I do. And all they've said so far is one of the characters we think is dead isn't. And the character is closely assoicated with New York.

[Spiderine]

They should have went with the fact that Eddie was already working at the Bugle like they mentioned in SM1. He could have already been established and built on that. I knew he was a joke from the moment he came on screen not caring that the so called love of his life was plummeting to her death.

[webhead731]

The screech was unexpected, but surprised me. I liked it.

The Hunter in Left 4 Dead uses the same type of growl. I was worried that Venom was going to have some typical lion roar.

[Spider-ManHero12]

They should have went with the fact that Eddie was already working at the Bugle like they mentioned in SM1. I don't think that could have worked, because wouldn't Brock already have met Peter before S-M3?

[Venom 1988]

I don't think that could have worked, because wouldn't Brock already have met Peter before S-M3?
They could have suggested that they already knew each other.

[Spider-ManHero12]

They could have suggested that they already knew each other. True. That is, if they wanted to go that route.

[LightningFlash]

Which would've expanded Eddie's arc.

But, no, Raimi's a retard.

[DACMAN]

They should have went with the fact that Eddie was already working at the Bugle like they mentioned in SM1. He could have already been established and built on that. I knew he was a joke from the moment he came on screen not caring that the so called love of his life was plummeting to her death.

I knew his character was going to be a joke when he kept saying "Brock, Eddie Brock Jr." :whatever:

[DACMAN]

They could have suggested that they already knew each other.

Yeah, that would have worked alot better. It could have added to a scene too where Peter tells Gwen to say away from Eddie because he's not a good guy or something.

[BrollySupersj]

I do. And all they've said so far is one of the characters we think is dead isn't. And the character is closely assoicated with New York.

That can easily mean the Lizard with the myths of aligators in the sewers.