Avengers Sequel ideas?

[Artistsean]

Some characters and story ideas wouldn't work for the first Avengers movie,
What characters do you think should be in the sequel?
Who should be the bad guy, what story should they do?

I have an idea for the sequel that wouldn't work really for the first Avengers movie.
Avengers 1) Introduce all the characters, get to know them and their abilities, and personalities.
I think Loki/ Hulk team up would be good, with Hulk being manipulated by Loki against the Avengers until Loki fights the Avengers himself.

Avengers 2, or 3) Ultron was the bad guy.
While the other films hint at Hank Pym's instability, this film really shows it. We see how insecure he is, how mentally unstable he is, and how he resents his fellow Avengers, and himself. He even has a break down earlier, perhaps.
He feels he is a failure as a scientist, avenger, and husband. He might not be, but he thinks he is.
He builds Ultron, and AI robot. Ultron hates all life on Earth and wants to destroy it, but most of all he hates the Avengers. Especially Hank Pym. Ultron would be a living embodiment of Pym's dark side. While this film would have ultron as the villain, and focus on him, the main focus of the Avengers movie could be Hank Pym.
Ultron, in his plans for destroying the Avengers and all human life, creates robot drones. His greatest weapon is the Vision.
Vision, perhaps near the end of the movie, turns on Ultron very similar to how Ultron turned on Pym.

Its not really plotted out, just some ideas of mine on how a Ultron Avengers movie could go.



I also think that after Avengers 3 they could start with the rotating cast, maybe introduce some characters in Avengers 2 or 3 that would stick around as main cast members in Avengers 4, like Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, Vision, Tigra, Falcon, She-Hulk, Hercules, any character who would fit with the stories.



Anyone else have any ideas on Avengers sequals, the characters, stories, coarse the movies would take?

[KangConquers]

1. Masters of Evil
2. Ultron
3. Kang

[Athena]

1. As a she-geek, I really wanna see more than one female Avenger on the team!
2. For a villain, I'd like the Mandarin. Then you could have the magic rings and the dragon and it wouldn't seem silly because most of the Avengers have magic/super-powers too.

[Harry_Lime02]

Well, wait and see who's in the first one first.

[RockSP]

I really wanna see more than one female Avenger on the team!

I agree, though I understand that they don't want to go with too many characters.

2. For a villain, I'd like the Mandarin. Then you could have the magic rings and the dragon and it wouldn't seem silly because most of the Avengers have magic/super-powers too.

Eh, not really. If you don't count Hulk (who will probably be adversarial to the rest of them) that really only leaves Thor and Iron Man.

[BigSams50]

Ultron would be perfect for the sequel

[tnr105]

1. Yes. Ultron as big baddie for 2
2. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are packed in with X-Men. They had cameos in Wolverine. That said, I would like to see the following members introduced:

Ant-Man/Giant Man
Wasp
Black Panther
Ms. Marvel
Falcon

[ron bond 007]

The first movie should be based on the Kree Skrull War story arc from 1971 where the Avengers go to the Andromeda Galaxy and battle the Skrulls in a massive space battle and the sequel should be based on the 19-part Operation:Galactic Storm where the Avengers go to the Kree Galaxy through a stargate in the Avengers Quinjet and battle the Kree Empire and the Shi'ar in numerous space battles. Please Paramount! Please do the Kree Skrull War as the first movie and Operation:Galactic Storm as the sequel PLease! Please! Pretty PLeeeeease!

:woot::awesome::woot::yay::hrt:

[Squidboy]

Perhaps a terrorist organization such as the Hand or HYDRA could stir up some trouble, and ultimately create a threat big enough for even more Avengies to join the crew. Perhaps they get their hands on Pym technology and blueprints, start rolling out the robot ticking timebombs. Mayhaps they set some supervillains out on the world (Abomination did survive Hulk, and I'm assuming he's in SHIELD custody.. do I smell a redemption story for Banner?) to distract the Avengers on some more sinister goal of theirs? I dunno, I guess wait and see how the first movie turns out before planning out the sequel. Maybe then we can start the casting threads for Squirrel Girl as the next female Avenger.

[shockprowl]

Hi all.

I'm very excited about the Avengers movie. Absolutely cannot wait. I think Marvel are doing a fantastic job with the build up etc.

I actualy love the plot of the Ultimates. I think that would transfer into a movie very well. An alien invasion at some point would be great to see, possibly involving the Fantastic Four as well.

So many possibilities!!!

[RockSP]

I actualy love the plot of the Ultimates. I think that would transfer into a movie very well. An alien invasion at some point would be great to see, possibly involving the Fantastic Four as well.

Can't happen. Film rights at another studio.

[shockprowl]

Can't happen. Film rights at another studio.

Blast! Maybe one day.

[BatsDC]

See below...

[bored]

Oh lord, PLEASE not Spidey and Wolverine.

What I really want to see: -A few more (real) Avengers. Pym and the Wasp, of course. Maybe Vision?
-The Avengers Mansion (no idea if it or anything like it will pop up in the first movie).
-KANG.

[psylockolussus]

I don't think Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch will ever appear in the Avengers.

[Indy1Jones]

How about new avengers Wolverine Spiderman maybe after their films are done.

[BatsDC]

I think the team should consist of Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hawkeye, Hulk, Ant Man, Wasp and Black Widow for the sequel, with maybe Ms. Marvel being set up for a sequel in it.

Villains should be Ultron or Thanos (presuming he's just set up in the first Avengers flick) and Ultron should build Vision to set him up for future films.

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How about new avengers Wolverine Spiderman maybe after their films are done.

Sony and FOX own the rights to those characters so Marvel Studios can't use them.

[DrCosmic]

Well, we know the first movie will be Loki, plus whatever else he creates as a distraction, as it was in the comics. An ensemble villain (like the Masters of Evil) require too much screen time to make believable, so they're out. Ultron's a great choice, but I personally would prefer he be a villain for a Giant Man film, since Ultron's story is so fixated on Hank, and making Hank, a new character, the center of a sequel is a bad idea. The thread of the story should hang on the central characters: Fury, Cap, Thor, Iron Man.

An alien invasion is a pretty cool way to do things. Having the Kree and tying in Ms. Marvel could be pretty awesome, and their alien technology can be used to involve other heroes as needed. You still can't have a cast of ten Avengers and make them all feel like real people as opposed to cartoons, but you can add one or two more as part of the storyline.

A third one, if I can imagine such a thing, would probably involve Kang, and be a great way to cap off or bring together all of the Marvel films, period. Good times.

[Hawkingbird]

Ultron for me too. With another feamale Avenger please! Ms.Marvel, some how explaining the Kree situation.
I would love love LOVE for there to be a movie cross over some time in the future, which could evenutaly lead up to Civil War and/or Secret Invasion. Though for this to happen, they would either have to reboot or just forget Fantastic Four (Chris Evans). Would love to see a FF reboot, the first one was a complete fail and don't get me STARTED on the second one:doh:
Know this is close to impossible due to contracts. But hey, I can dream my nerdy dreams...

[Hawkingbird]

Hi all.

I'm very excited about the Avengers movie. Absolutely cannot wait. I think Marvel are doing a fantastic job with the build up etc.

I actualy love the plot of the Ultimates. I think that would transfer into a movie very well. An alien invasion at some point would be great to see, possibly involving the Fantastic Four as well.

So many possibilities!!!
There is an alien invasion in the Avengers. Skrulls baby!!!!

[R_Hythlodeus]

In the second one I want Ultron. I hope that the Ant-Man movie is out by then and Ant-Man and Wasp can join the team. However, if Wright isn't able to deliver his flick until the Avengers sequel, I have absolutley no problem if the change Ultrons origin and make Tony his creator instead of Hank.

[cherokeesam]

In the second one I want Ultron. I hope that the Ant-Man movie is out by then and Ant-Man and Wasp can join the team. However, if Wright isn't able to deliver his flick until the Avengers sequel, I have absolutley no problem if the change Ultrons origin and make Tony his creator instead of Hank.

Yanno...

....as much as I consider myself a purist, and as much as I *hate* to see Hank Pym continue to be misunderstood and misrepresented by anyone who's never even bothered to read The Avengers (including, dare I say it, certain writers in the esteemed Bullpen)...I still gotta say that I agree with you.

I wouldn't have any problem with Stark being Ultron's maker at all. As long as they still give Hank his due with the discovery/ manipulation/ control of size-altering Pym Particles. Let Stark be the robotics & armor genius, and give him the "rights" to Ultron, Vision and Jocasta; but make Pym the particle physicist who can grow/shrink anyone and anything.

That would give them both an exclusive "bailiwick" with which they'll always be identified.

[tamron]

I really liked how Avengers:EMH had Pym and Stark both having a hand in Ultron's development. I'd want to see them go that route in the film. Gives them a great source of conflict.

[DrCosmic]

... wouldn't Ultron be the villain for an Ant-Man film?

Anyway, I figure by then they'll include at least a couple of the following: Ant-Man, Wasp, Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Luke Cage and Ms. Marvel

If they find some other good villain for Ant-Man somewhere, great, otherwise, Ms. Marvel may lead well into an alien invasion by the Kree. Otherwise, Kang would make a great event villain.

[VoodooMagic]

Step 1: Marvel gets the rights to F4
Step 2: Galactus is a bad guy in the Avengers

[VoodooMagic]

Also a Kree-Skrull war storyline could be cool.

It could be something that is woven in through different MCU movies for the next 3-4ish years and preluded in the Inhuman's movie or something

[MessiahDecoy123]

movie one - Skrull invasion stopped in part by ultron robots

movie two - Ultron turns evil

movie three - Thanos

[MahvelBaby!]

Some characters and story ideas wouldn't work for the first Avengers movie,
What characters do you think should be in the sequel?
Who should be the bad guy, what story should they do?

I have an idea for the sequel that wouldn't work really for the first Avengers movie.
Avengers 1) Introduce all the characters, get to know them and their abilities, and personalities.
I think Loki/ Hulk team up would be good, with Hulk being manipulated by Loki against the Avengers until Loki fights the Avengers himself.

Avengers 2, or 3) Ultron was the bad guy.
While the other films hint at Hank Pym's instability, this film really shows it. We see how insecure he is, how mentally unstable he is, and how he resents his fellow Avengers, and himself. He even has a break down earlier, perhaps.
He feels he is a failure as a scientist, avenger, and husband. He might not be, but he thinks he is.
He builds Ultron, and AI robot. Ultron hates all life on Earth and wants to destroy it, but most of all he hates the Avengers. Especially Hank Pym. Ultron would be a living embodiment of Pym's dark side. While this film would have ultron as the villain, and focus on him, the main focus of the Avengers movie could be Hank Pym.
Ultron, in his plans for destroying the Avengers and all human life, creates robot drones. His greatest weapon is the Vision.
Vision, perhaps near the end of the movie, turns on Ultron very similar to how Ultron turned on Pym.

Its not really plotted out, just some ideas of mine on how a Ultron Avengers movie could go.



I also think that after Avengers 3 they could start with the rotating cast, maybe introduce some characters in Avengers 2 or 3 that would stick around as main cast members in Avengers 4, like Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, Vision, Tigra, Falcon, She-Hulk, Hercules, any character who would fit with the stories.



Anyone else have any ideas on Avengers sequals, the characters, stories, coarse the movies would take?

I looooove this I had a similar idea.

I proposed in the Ant-Man thread in the marvel films section, that Wonder-Man should be the villain in the Ant-Man film, and that Ultron could be introduced as a project he is working on(I know they want to make the films a bit more self contained but if they leave it at that it would be cool) And in the end Wonder-Man could either die or switch sides(Or both)

Then in Avengers Ultron does not only create Vision but he does so using Wonder-Man's Brain waves pretty much the classic story.

I believe the only new Avengers that should be introduced in 2 Ant-Man, Wasp & Black Panther

Everything else you wrote is spot on and even if what I want doesn't come to fruition(Good chance) I'd be ecstatic if your synopsis became a film.

I feel Vision should be introduced in 2 so that he could be a main Avenger full-time in 3.

In order to Make room for the new team members, they could give slightly smaller roles to the old ones, it seems harsh but think about it. They could do like in EMH when Ultron seemingly kills Thor, but in reality, he was transported by Amora(Assuming she would have been introduced by then) And held in a dream world. Then at the end of the film when he snaps out of it he shows up and we get the ever classic line.....


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/THFdmrQNGZI/AAAAAAAAOiI/Tmz-Dtnq8nA/s640/Avengers+-+iwouldhavewordswiththee.JPG

[MahvelBaby!]

In the second one I want Ultron. I hope that the Ant-Man movie is out by then and Ant-Man and Wasp can join the team. However, if Wright isn't able to deliver his flick until the Avengers sequel, I have absolutley no problem if the change Ultrons origin and make Tony his creator instead of Hank.

I'd like it to have been a co-creation myself, but I'd live with this.

[DrCosmic]

Alright, crazy ideas.

Let's assume that Loki is the main antagonist for the Avengers, and the army mentioned by him with its golden chariots and CGI forms is Loki-related, more or less, as opposed to trying to mix in some sci-fi aliens with it, though that's not entirely impossible.

Before Avengers 2, I'd want to see Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel and SHIELD (starring Fury and Widow), in addition to Cap 2, TIH 2, Iron Man 3 and Thor 2.

When Avengers 2 comes out, let it feature the Kree-Skrull war, with Captain Marvel setting up the Kree (and Ms. Marvel), and SHIELD setting up the Skrull, though a Skrull shapeshifter twist would be in each of the films. Main baddies would be Super Skrull and Ronan the Accuser, though the Supreme Intelligence would be behind it all. Watcher would also appear featured at some point.

After Avengers 2, but before Avengers 3, I'd like to see them put out Ant-Man (setting up Ultron) and Luke Cage, as well as BP 2, Cap 3, Thor 3, Ms. Marvel aka Cap Marvel 2, Dr. Strange 2 and TIH 3.

Avengers 3 would feature Kang, and totally pwn the idea of a time-travel fight. It would be most thoroughly in enjoyable for someone who had seen all 23 Marvel movies to date. It would have a great deal of fun with causality-based time travel, and clean up all the plot holes from previous films in clever ways, as well as deal with a villain that's kinda metafictional. It would also serve to wrap up some significant threads, and by that time, the Fantastic Four and Daredevil franchises will be back with Marvel.

[Rain]

Antman: At the end of the movie, Ultron loses it.

Avengers 2: Ultron gathers The Masters of Evil. (Zemo, Enchantess, Abomination etc.)

[Hawkingbird]

Alright, crazy ideas.

Let's assume that Loki is the main antagonist for the Avengers, and the army mentioned by him with its golden chariots and CGI forms is Loki-related, more or less, as opposed to trying to mix in some sci-fi aliens with it, though that's not entirely impossible.

Before Avengers 2, I'd want to see Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel and SHIELD (starring Fury and Widow), in addition to Cap 2, TIH 2, Iron Man 3 and Thor 2.

When Avengers 2 comes out, let it feature the Kree-Skrull war, with Captain Marvel setting up the Kree (and Ms. Marvel), and SHIELD setting up the Skrull, though a Skrull shapeshifter twist would be in each of the films. Main baddies would be Super Skrull and Ronan the Accuser, though the Supreme Intelligence would be behind it all. Watcher would also appear featured at some point.

After Avengers 2, but before Avengers 3, I'd like to see them put out Ant-Man (setting up Ultron) and Luke Cage, as well as BP 2, Cap 3, Thor 3, Ms. Marvel aka Cap Marvel 2, Dr. Strange 2 and TIH 3.

Avengers 3 would feature Kang, and totally pwn the idea of a time-travel fight. It would be most thoroughly in enjoyable for someone who had seen all 23 Marvel movies to date. It would have a great deal of fun with causality-based time travel, and clean up all the plot holes from previous films in clever ways, as well as deal with a villain that's kinda metafictional. It would also serve to wrap up some significant threads, and by that time, the Fantastic Four and Daredevil franchises will be back with Marvel.

Too much in only a few years, too expensive and too confusing.

[Silvermoth]

I really want to see the Avengers versus a zombie version of themselves. It would be a fantastic opportunity for some epicness and some cool Easter Eggs.

[Zap]

Really hoping for the sequel we get some original storylines mixed in with the classic Avengers storylines, so we get a sense of freshness and they can update the classic stories, so we have originality, yet still no reason to complain that the movies don't stay true to the comics.

[Hypestyle]

with Ultron, seeing as how Hank is possibly being divorced from the mythos to be in the Ant-Man film as a 60's hero.. hmm.. I suppose they could shift the burden from Hank to Tony as one of his creations, a proto-Jarvis.. buried somewhere in storage, the brain/mainframe gets stolen, maybe by Spymaster on behalf of Justin Hammer, who builds it with the intent to market it as a next-gen AI system for military or private research.. but of course, like HAL, Ultron learns too quickly and decides it is logical to rid the earth of its dominant hominids..

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

2nd Movie: Masters of Evil

3rd Movie: Ultron

4the Movie: Thanos

[Lord]

Step 1: Marvel gets the rights to F4
Step 2: Galactus is a bad guy in the Avengers
Step 3: Doctor Doom is pulling the strings

[Ariakas]

I think it's very difficult to guess what will be in the sequel when we don't know what's going to be in the first one. I think there are three candiadates that are more likely than anything else.

And that is:

Ultron, because he will not be in the first one obviously without Hank Pym.

Kang, the whole time jumping thing will take to much focus away from the formation of the Avengers. That some heavy fiddlesticks.

Namor, not as a main villain only as a temporary foe or someone who is later turned into an ally. The reason I think he's not in the first movie is that I think we would have picked it up by now.


All three are likely as villains in the sequel. The Leader are another candidate if they do not use him in the Hulk-sequel (which I think they will)
Though I'm hoping for the Masters of Evil, it's just that they need to set them up in other movies. They can't explain the background of four-six completely different villains in one movie. So far they have only got Abomination set up (and he's not really a member of the Masters of Evil either)

Also, yeah. One has to consider Justin Hammer.

[R_Hythlodeus]

The more I think about it, if they ever reboot the MCU, Star Trek style, Kang and his time travels would be a nice way to do that...

[Godzilla2000]

You know, if they have all the bad guys from previous Marvel movies team up in a sequel, I picture their get togethers looking like LittleKuriboh's videos of Marik's Evil Council of Doom.

[Neo_3]

I think we would get a Ant-Man movie before a Captain Marvel one.

[Savage]

I think you guys could be on to something with The Masters of Evil. It'd be neat to see pretty much the Anti-Avengers come together. Here's what I'm thinking.

Justin Hammer banks the team and puts them together. Pretty much being the allegory for Tony Stark. Maybe even bring along the Titanium Man or Crimson Dynamo using past technology.

Zemo shows up in a Captain America sequel and returns here. Being the Captain America allegory.

Enchantress and Executioner would return here after appearing in a Thor sequel.

The Leader comes in to compete with Banner's brains and brings along The Abomination to compete with Hulk's muscle.

There's your 6-7 members right there forming a team of doppelgangers of sorts.

At least that's the ideal situation for me, anyway. An Avengers sequel is probably so far ahead in the future that I'm wondering how they're going to pull it off without replacing a crapload of actors.

[KangConquers]

I really want Kang, but what I'm assuming will happen based on various information (rumors + facts that we have:


Movie 1: Loki + Aliens...Loki makes a deal with Thanos and steals the gauntlet for him.
Movie 2: Kree/ Skrull War over the infinite gauntlet. The Skrulls have the gems, and the Kree have somehow gotten a hold of the gauntlet itself. In the end, the Kree win, and Ronan the Accuser comes into possession of the fully powered gauntlet. In a shock, he presents it to his father, Thanos (Thanos is Ronan's father in Ultimate Marvel.)
Movie 3: Infinite War yada yada.

[GoldGoblin]

What is great about Ultron,he's just a robot?

[KangConquers]

Ultron is all of Hank Pym's mental illness inside of an indestructible robot with no soul. It's made for some interesting tales to say the least.

[Lord]

Film 1: Loki and Thanos
Film 2: Ultron
Film 3: Kang

[AdamantiumWR]

Avengers 1: You have Loki using the cosmic cube to bring the skrulls to earth, avengers assemble, battle aliens, hulk, loki etc., Odin comes to earth to bring Loki back to asgard... After the credits you see Thanos stealing the infinite gauntlet from Asgard

Introduce Ant-Man in solo movie (Just show an Ultron robot in development)

Avengers 2: Thanos vs avengers, they use a blue eyed Ultron, Thanos blasts ultron with the gauntlet, Avengers win, all is safe... After the credits Ultron reboots with his eyes now glowing red

Avengers 3: Avengers vs Ultron

[GoldGoblin]

Masters of Evil is a must.
You can have Hank Pym create Ultron who turns evil.Ultron could create The Masters of Evil to destroy the Avengers.

-Scorpion (Ultron steals Stark tech)
-Goliath (Ultron steals Pym's growth formula)
-Dr.Doom/Hydro-Man/Bison (could be prisoners on the S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarier that Ultron frees)

Scorpion and Hydro-Man would have a little origin so they can just pop up in a spidey movie.

[Ultra Lantern]

Avengers 2: Loki and The Skrull
Avengers 3: Ultron
Avengers 4: Kang

[DrCosmic]

What is great about Ultron,he's just a robot?

That's like saying "Batman is just a man." True, but so wrong at the same time.

[Terror Inc.]

I'd like to see Ant-Man/Giant-Man, the Wasp and Black Panther as the new additions to the team with solo movies beforehand. (Wasp of course would be in Ant-Man's movie.) Also, I think Pym should only be Ant-Man in his movie and save Giant-Man for a spectacular moment in Avengers 2. I'd love to see Ultron set up in the Ant-Man movie and make him the big bad in the Avengers sequel. I'd want to see him constructing Vision as well in 2, possibly fight the Avengers just as a midless drone of Ultrons. I'd like Wonder Man and Ms. Marvel as additions in #3, Pym can insert Simon's brainwave patterns into Vision, and presto, new Avengers member, just in time to take on Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet.

[GoldGoblin]

After seeing the Avengers cartoon,I want to see Ultron take on the Avengers.Ultron could get back up by hacking into Tony Stark's armory and control all of the suits.

We could have Tony Stark in his Mark 1,because there is no computers in it for Ultron to control it.

As for all the armor suits,you can have:

-Crimson Dynamo
-Titanium Man
-Ghost
-Hulk Buster
-Beetle
-Mark V
-Mark VI
-War Machine
-Blizard
-Firebrand

[BigThor]

After seeing the Avengers cartoon,I want to see Ultron take on the Avengers.Ultron could get back up by hacking into Tony Stark's armory and control all of the suits.

Same here, I would love to see Ultron as the main villain in Avengers 2 with his need to "cleanse the earth of humanity" and his relationship with Pym being shown in full force. He's one of my favorite Avengers villains and his ability to take over the world through computers would be alot different than Loki's "massive army" approach.

I want Thanos to saved as the main villain for Avengers 3 because although I like Ultron more I still think Thanos poses the greatest threat therefore he should be saved for last.

[jediab]

I want Thanos to saved as the main villain for Avengers 3 because although I like Ultron more I still think Thanos poses the greatest threat therefore he should be saved for last.

I agree Thanos would be awesome. But could story with a baddy of his magnitude be told in only 1 movie? I would worry it wouldn't be done correctly because of lack of time.

[BigThor]

I agree Thanos would be awesome. But could story with a baddy of his magnitude be told in only 1 movie? I would worry it wouldn't be done correctly because of lack of time.

I think it could, one Avengers film would be enough time for Thanos as the main villain because he will have already been built up by previous film.

[Optimus_Prime_]

I'd like to see a sequel with Hank Pym creating Ultron with Wasp. Then I'd ditch Iron Man and Thor, introduce Ms. Marvel, Black Panther, Giant Man, Wasp, Hawkeye and Captain America as the new main group. They'll fight Kang.

I think a great idea for the third film is Kang makes these new Avenger fight their past selves. Hemsworth would cameo as Thor, while cgi could be use for Hulk and IM. Evans would pull double duty obviously. Old Avengers versus New Avengers, a fight to the finish in the second act.

[BigThor]

I'd like to see a sequel with Hank Pym creating Ultron with Wasp. Then I'd ditch Iron Man and Thor, introduce Ms. Marvel, Black Panther, Giant Man, Wasp, Hawkeye and Captain America as the new main group. They'll fight Kang.

I think a great idea for the third film is Kang makes these new Avenger fight their past selves. Hemsworth would cameo as Thor, while cgi could be use for Hulk and IM. Evans would pull double duty obviously. Old Avengers versus New Avengers, a fight to the finish in the second act.

You'd ditch Iron Man and Thor? Two of the three most important Avengers?

:doh::doh::doh:

[Optimus_Prime_]

You'd ditch Iron Man and Thor? Two of the three most important Avengers?

:doh::doh::doh:
I don't want them there forever. It doesn't stay true, in my opinion, stay true to the spirit of the comic. You have to rotate the roster. Maybe you bring one or both back, but I think at some point some new characters come in and others go out. Since this is an expansive universe we don't need Iron Man or Thor or even Cap for every film. They can return to their own respective films like they do in the comic. Avenger seems ideal place to showcase the characters that can't support their own films. Also look at the success of First Class. Not a popular X-Man in the bunch besides Eric and Charles.

[BigThor]

I don't want them there forever. It doesn't stay true, in my opinion, stay true to the spirit of the comic. You have to rotate the roster. Maybe you bring one or both back, but I think at some point some new characters come in and others go out. Since this is an expansive universe we don't need Iron Man or Thor or even Cap for every film. They can return to their own respective films like they do in the comic. Avenger seems ideal place to showcase the characters that can't support their own films. Also look at the success of First Class. Not a popular X-Man in the bunch besides Eric and Charles.

Yeah but ALEAST keep them core team the same for the first two films, Iron Man and Thor are FAR too important to the Avengers to not be in the 2nd film.

[DrCosmic]

I don't want them there forever. It doesn't stay true, in my opinion, stay true to the spirit of the comic. You have to rotate the roster. Maybe you bring one or both back, but I think at some point some new characters come in and others go out. Since this is an expansive universe we don't need Iron Man or Thor or even Cap for every film. They can return to their own respective films like they do in the comic. Avenger seems ideal place to showcase the characters that can't support their own films. Also look at the success of First Class. Not a popular X-Man in the bunch besides Eric and Charles.

But it's not really an expansive universe, it's a handful of films with fans of those films. There's nothing wrong with benching the beloved originals over time and replacing them, but you can't do it wholesale or else you alienate people, as much as New Coke. Benching the characters with the most successful movies at once is a bad idea, commercially and thematically.

I personally think Avengers 2 would be great for the Kree-Skrull War, it's like, we've seen alien invasion movies, but only the Avengers can handle two alien Invasions at once. I really believe, in the movie universe, Ultron works better as a Giant Man villain, if he's going to have a solo movie, and the point of the team up movie is that you don't have to explain a new character to the audience - especially since you have to quickly and smoothly introduce all the characters to people who didn't see that particular movie. I don't think it's the ideal place to introduce characters who can't support their own films, but if it is, Iron Man and Thor, like Xavier and Magneto, are the two characters that you can't get rid of, because they are the most endeared to the general audience.

[The_Shadow]

Avengers: Loki

2: Kang/Thanos/Kree/Skrull...maybe a little bit of Loki

3: Ultron
- The end of the movie splits the Avengers against each other

4: Civl War Avengers

[Optimus_Prime_]

Yeah but ALEAST keep them core team the same for the first two films, Iron Man and Thor are FAR too important to the Avengers to not be in the 2nd film.
I said the third film.

[BigThor]

I said the third film.

Oh alright, that's alot more understandable.

[BigThor]

Avengers: Loki

2: Kang/Thanos/Kree/Skrull...maybe a little bit of Loki

3: Ultron
- The end of the movie splits the Avengers against each other

4: Civl War Avengers

You want Kang/Thanos/Kree/Srull to happen before Ultron?

Shouldn't Ultron come before them, because it would seem like a step down to go from them to Ultron.

[MarvelKnight]

I'd like for them to finally punch out the Pym film at some point and then have Ultron be the big bad for one of the avengers films. Taking a cue from EMH would be good as long as they keep it original and don't just make it a 2hr version of the cartoon episode.

I'd like to see them get their Cosmic Marvel movies started before we see Thanos in an Avengers film. I think finding a way to incorporate Thanos, GOTG and Thor would be a stellar way to start it off.

[DrCosmic]

Here's my question... if Ultron is the villain for Avengers 2/3... who is the villain for the Giant Man film?????

[MarvelKnight]

I don't think you have to show Ultron being the big bad in an Ant-Man movie, Ant-Man used his own brain-patterns in ultron. Ant-Man is a bit of a head-case and I think showing the bot starting out on the up and up and slowly descending into the evil ultron we all know and want to see. Then maybe have a post credit scene showing the no-doubter as far as him being evil, something along those lines.

Any ant-man movie is most likely going to have wasp in there. It would be quite simple to kill 2 birds with one stone in regards to introducing both characters.

[MarvelKnight]

Thanos would be great for A3. By the time Marvel goes Cosmic you can set up an appearance by GOTG to assist with the mad titans defeat.

[marcvader]

Here's my question... if Ultron is the villain for Avengers 2/3... who is the villain for the Giant Man film?????

Ultron is waaaayyyy too much for the Pyms to handle on their own.

[Chewy]

Here's my question... if Ultron is the villain for Avengers 2/3... who is the villain for the Giant Man film?????
Whirlwind or someone along those lines

[MarvelKnight]

Whirlwind would be good as a main villian. Pym doesn't have to be a 2 and a half hour epic. I mean, it is Hank Pym, as much as I like the character. Although the general fan might not know Ultron, you could have him partially or already completed while letting him commit subtle actions during the film on his way to becoming the Ultron who wants to destroy humanity. Then, as marcvader said, since pym and vandyne can't defeat ultron alone, it gives them a reason to go to the avengers for help thus becoming members in the next film

[DrCosmic]

I mean, I might be missing something, but Whirlwind would be horrible as a main villain. He doesn't bring anything to the table of note, other than being an Ant-Man villain in the comics. No thematic resonance, no good comics storylines to adapt, he needs a new origin that's completely separate from Pyms and thus less impactful. His powerset does not help show off the Pyms' power set, he's not an intellectual rival. Every adaptation of him I've seen he's kind of a thug.

Ultron is waaaayyyy too much for the Pyms to handle on their own.

Hmmm... yes and no. Most of the AI we've seen defeated in films have been defeated by vastly underpowered people. Someone who shrinks is exactly the kind of person who could defeat Ultron on his first outing. Perhaps he can come back with a bigger power base like Loki did for an Avengers film, but the idea that 'Movie Ultron = current fully evolved Ultron who's battled the Avengers ten times' would, by necessity, be incorrect.

[Chewy]

In the comics he was Jan's creepy psycho stalker who worked as her chauffeur for a while and after being exposed as a crook would freak out from time to time about her loving Hank instead of him.

[marcvader]

See I wouldn't want Ultron wasted on a small movie like Antman. I'd want his creation being a subplot and his turn leading into an Avengers movie. That's just my preference as I associate him as one of the Avengers main villains. This is all pending on Wright making an Antman movie which if it is the case this all goes out the window.

[DrCosmic]

In the comics he was Jan's creepy psycho stalker who worked as her chauffeur for a while and after being exposed as a crook would freak out from time to time about her loving Hank instead of him.

I know. That's why I don't get how someone can view him as a great main villain. Unless it's a romantic comedy, I guess.

See I wouldn't want Ultron wasted on a small movie like Antman. I'd want his creation being a subplot and his turn leading into an Avengers movie. That's just my preference as I associate him as one of the Avengers main villains. This is all pending on Wright making an Antman movie which if it is the case this all goes out the window.

It sounds like you want him in an Ant-Man movie, but don't want him at the same time. Like, if he's evil in the Ant-Man movie, he can't be evil in an Avengers movie. I think Loki's proof positive that's just not so.

The problem I have with Ultron as a villain in the Avengers is that he's a step down from Loki. He doesn't build on the cosmic scale, he doesn't have an army he can field, and taking over the good guys' resources seems, again, like a step down, and having armies of robots out of nowhere enough to give the Avengers in all their might pause for a two hour movie just doesn't seem plausible in the MCU.

And if Edgar Wright's project, which is actively going through drafts now, doesn't go through, it's going to be a minute before MCU finds a new writer and director to pick him up, not in time for Avengers 2's planning phases (going on now).

[marcvader]

Agree to disagree. I don't see being able to control the worlds defenses ,communications, and power grids, the goal of annihilating the human race, not enslaving them, a step down. Just the thought of seeing SHIELD helicarriers falling from the skies the world being blacked out with a snap of his fingers sounds amazing to me. I picture seeing Ultron created and being an assistant/servant with the inquisitiveness of HAL and looking up to Hank like a father figure to the point you feel bad for him once he turns at the end of an Antman movie.

[BigThor]

^ I agree, Ultron is definately not a step down from Loki if anything he's even more dangerous and he's a perfect choice for the main villain in Avengers 2.

I just don't see why people want to see Thanos as the villain in Avengers 2 with Ultron being the villain in Avengers 3, now THAT would be a step down.

[DrCosmic]

Ultron is only as powerful as the tech available to him. In the MCU that's not much. What makes him dangerous in this context? I don't see it. One move (taking power) is great for one scene.

And you can be sure that movie Thanos won't be as powerful as comic book Thanos. Omnipotence doesn't translate very well into fight scenes in films.

[MarvelKnight]

The only way to know if it works is if they give it a shot. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather have Marvel than some other idiotic studio (i.e. Galactus as a frickin' cloud) try and attempt it. (the whole omnipotence thing)

As far as Tech Goes:
We only have seen what we've seen on film. With secretive agencies like SHIELD, not to mention the fact that they are introducing (aliens, gods, and machines created by Gods). Even for a casual fan of the movies, I doubt it would be so unbelievable to show that SHIELD has some pretty advanced tech we haven't seen yet. A good time to show some of that stuff would probably be against an Asgardian God and an Alien Army.

The great thing about Marvel doing their movies is they can introduce stuff that hasn't been on the films yet but its not a stretch because it is in the source material(marvel comics as a whole) therefore really, anything is possible. Pym and Stark are two of the Smartest people in the Marvel U. Bring Banner into the equation, and I'm sure a super advanced AI such as Ultron could find a way to incorporate some advanced Stark and Gamma Tech and make it even more advanced to suit his Kill all Humanity mission.

* Plus, Ultron in and of itself is highly advanced, and he is always looking to improve. If they use Ultron in A2 the tech is inherently already available by him being there, In my opinion.

[BigThor]

Ultron is only as powerful as the tech available to him. In the MCU that's not much. What makes him dangerous in this context? I don't see it. One move (taking power) is great for one scene.

And you can be sure that movie Thanos won't be as powerful as comic book Thanos. Omnipotence doesn't translate very well into fight scenes in films.

Are you serious? Regular 21st century technology is more powerful than you think, especially when you're able to control pretty much all of the technology on earth.

Just imagine Ultron hacking every main computer system in the world, which would basically give him control over every major weapon on the planet.

[psylockolussus]

I would like to see either Wolverine or Spider-Man!

And for the villain, I would like to see Dr. Doom!

Marvel should work with Sony/Fox for the movie rights of those characters so they can appear in Avengers 2.

[Iron-Fan]

I'd like the see hints of a Hydra resurgence in Cap 2, and a full blown army being led by Red Skull (with Justin Hammer as the weapons developer to replace Dr. Zola) appearing in Avengers 2. Although that setup, with a bad guy from a solo movie creating an army and invading, sounds like a basic mix of Avengers 1 with Captain America: the First Avenger, so I don't see it happening.

So maybe we'll get Avengers 2: Avengers....in space!! ??

[DrCosmic]

Are you serious? Regular 21st century technology is more powerful than you think, especially when you're able to control pretty much all of the technology on earth.

Just imagine Ultron hacking every main computer system in the world, which would basically give him control over every major weapon on the planet.

Is there something more powerful than nuclear missiles I'm not aware of? He blacks out the cities and blows up some other cities. That's all the story he's capable of, afaik.

Okay that's not true, he can also hack personal information from the heroes and confront them on a personal level, which would be cool.

But regardless, it wouldn't be like the comics, where there's abundant super tech to use on the heroes.

The only way to know if it works is if they give it a shot. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather have Marvel than some other idiotic studio (i.e. Galactus as a frickin' cloud) try and attempt it. (the whole omnipotence thing)

A good writer can recognize a bad story without having to spend a million dollars putting on a screen first.

As far as Tech Goes:
We only have seen what we've seen on film. With secretive agencies like SHIELD, not to mention the fact that they are introducing (aliens, gods, and machines created by Gods). Even for a casual fan of the movies, I doubt it would be so unbelievable to show that SHIELD has some pretty advanced tech we haven't seen yet. A good time to show some of that stuff would probably be against an Asgardian God and an Alien Army.

The great thing about Marvel doing their movies is they can introduce stuff that hasn't been on the films yet but its not a stretch because it is in the source material(marvel comics as a whole) therefore really, anything is possible. Pym and Stark are two of the Smartest people in the Marvel U. Bring Banner into the equation, and I'm sure a super advanced AI such as Ultron could find a way to incorporate some advanced Stark and Gamma Tech and make it even more advanced to suit his Kill all Humanity mission.

* Plus, Ultron in and of itself is highly advanced, and he is always looking to improve. If they use Ultron in A2 the tech is inherently already available by him being there, In my opinion.The movies are not the comics. The only tech is Stark's. Pym is set in the 60s and Banner is only a biologist, so there's no Pym/Banner/Gamma Tech. Derailing the character development of those characters to shoehorn in stuff from the comics that's the result of 40 years of development is not a good story/not going to happen. Don't confuse moviegoers accepting gods and aliens as having superhuman tech (or else how would they get here?) with them accepting humans with superhuman tech without sufficient development ala Iron Man. Just because they like Cheerios does not mean they'll love Tastee-Ohs!.

No matter what tech SHIELD has, it's not going to have the destructive power of Nukes. It's not going to be effective against Loki's army, or else there's not much point in having any Avengers. It's just going to be high tech gadgets we've seen before in other films with cool government agencies, and seeing as how they won't have a whole two hours to establish the move from what we know to the movie's reality, it's not going to be as advanced as Stark's stuff, either. Nick Fury still gets around in a helicopter. It's not comic books, it's just not.

But, yeah, I guess Ultron could hack Tony's armors, and use those as a fight scene, that could be interesting. You guys have won me over. It's not in duplicating the comics like you guys are suggesting, cuz there is no super-tech outside of Stark's basement, but Ultron could actually fill up a movie against 6+ combatants and make for a good story.

Still, there are problems, like Pym not being in the present day. Like most of his power and story coming from Stark or whatever SHIELD's built between Av1 and Av2, him not being a natural bridge from Loki to Thanos, and other stuff like that. But he has potential, can't deny that.

[MarvelKnight]

Well, they're drawing from material that has this stuff in existence. Did vibranium show up before Captain America, no (yes it took place in the 40s before the other movies in the mcu timeline but it still existed). Stark created a new element for pete's sake. I don't think it's a stretch at all to introduce things we haven't seen for the first time into the movies. Especially when you're facing a ridiculously dangerous threat such as this. Of course it's not going to work, you're right, that's why the avengers were formed, but should that stop them from making the attempt? I don't think it should.

As far as Ultron being the enemy, I just think having three cosmic/otherworldly threats in a row seems a bit heavy handed. The Avengers handled heavy hitters on a domestic(earthly) level too. Yes not having pym rooted in the present could be a problem, but they could find ways around that if they wanted to (I hope to god not trust me). But we can agree to disagree and move on.

What we can agree on is that this movie is going to rock and they'll give us a great sequel to boot, no matter what they do.

[BigThor]

Is there something more powerful than nuclear missiles I'm not aware of? He blacks out the cities and blows up some other cities. That's all the story he's capable of, afaik.

Okay that's not true, he can also hack personal information from the heroes and confront them on a personal level, which would be cool.

But regardless, it wouldn't be like the comics, where there's abundant super tech to use on the heroes.

But, yeah, I guess Ultron could hack Tony's armors, and use those as a fight scene, that could be interesting. You guys have won me over. It's not in duplicating the comics like you guys are suggesting, cuz there is no super-tech outside of Stark's basement, but Ultron could actually fill up a movie against 6+ combatants and make for a good story.

I didn't suggest that it would "duplicate the comics", I simply stated that Ultron would make a worthy adversary for the Avengers and could provide a large scale threat.

[The Morningstar]

Ultron could definitely be a great villain. Not just taking over the worlds technology, but building an army of Ultron's. The possibilities are endless really.

Thanos? He's not omnipotent unless he has the IG or HotU.

[BigThor]

Ultron could definitely be a great villain. Not just taking over the worlds technology, but building an army of Ultron's. The possibilities are endless really.

Thanos? He's not omnipotent unless he has the IG or HotU.

I'm pretty sure he's going to come into possession of the Infinity Gauntlet whenever he shows up as the main villain in the Avengers trilogy.

[The Morningstar]

Well I hope they delve into the cosmic side of Marvel first, before they do the IG story, or the finale to it anyway.

Introduced and explain the cosmic abstracts, celestials etc. Show that it takes more than a bunch of superheroes from Earth to stop Thanos with the IG.

Plus it would give us the opportunity to see the Celestials and Thanos play a game of ping pong... with ****ing planets.

[BigThor]

Well I hope they delve into the cosmic side of Marvel first, before they do the IG story, or the finale to it anyway.

Introduced and explain the cosmic abstracts, celestials etc. Show that it takes more than a bunch of superheroes from Earth to stop Thanos with the IG.

Plus it would give us the opportunity to see the Celestials and Thanos play a game of ping pong... with ****ing planets.

Most definately :up:

[MarvelKnight]

I wonder if they will decide after A2 if they'll go past 3 Avengers movies. If they do (and can keep the principle cast together..for the most part) You could push Thanos back towards the end as the ultimate evil they face. While I am sure we all want these avengers to be around for ever, if they continue its conceivable that they might not all be back 10 yrs down the road. Maybe make him their ultimate test.

If they went this route (which again is purely hypothetical) It'd be neat to see a thanos movie with hints of disassembled. Not in the purest sense I know, but the ultimate evil that makes them have to come together and work as a team like never before while finally driving most if not all to the edge that breaks them up. Again this is years down the road if they do more than 3, but hten you could go in other directions whether its a new avengers type approach(or even young avengers if they're established by this time) Just a thought.

I'm really looking forward to Cosmic marvel though, Can't wait.

[Anno_Domini]

If Kevin Feige is still on the idea of there not being an Incredible Hulk 2, I say they could tie up the loose events from TIH into a sequel of the Avengers. Just push back any villain that is hinted at in a first movie and use the Masters of Evil for Avengers 2 with Leader and Abomination in with the team. And then maybe use General Ross and Betty as well. A perfect idea in tying up what happened with The Incredible Hulk if there isn't a sequel, or at least a sequel anytime soon.

Masters of Evil:
- Red Skull
- Mandarin
- Enchantress
- Executioner
- Leader
- Abomination

[MMMMM...Dounuts]

If Kevin Feige is still on the idea of there not being an Incredible Hulk 2, I say they could tie up the loose events from TIH into a sequel of the Avengers. Just push back any villain that is hinted at in a first movie and use the Masters of Evil for Avengers 2 with Leader and Abomination in with the team. And then maybe use General Ross and Betty as well. A perfect idea in tying up what happened with The Incredible Hulk if there isn't a sequel, or at least a sequel anytime soon.

Masters of Evil:
- Red Skull
- Mandarin
- Enchantress
- Executioner
- Leader
- Abomination

I like the idea of Masters of Evil for the sequel, but Zemo needs to lead the team. Maybe bring back Red Skull for Cap 2 or 3.

[Anno_Domini]

Baron Zemo if he's in Captain America 2, but the way they're playing on with Red Skull being in the present without having aged a day because of wherever the Cosmic Cube took him, it seems Skull could be a great member for MoE and possibly the leader as well, or co-leader with Mandarin.

But, if Zemo is introduced, then I'd agree and Red Skull can show up in Cap 3.

[Incredible Hans]

Am I the only one here who'd really like to have Hercules in a sequel?

[marcvader]

BP or the Pyms for me , thank you.

[Anno_Domini]

I'm iffy with the Pyms. It'll be great to see them, but if not then whatevs. Besides, if Wright wants to make an Ant-Man movie with Wasp in its own universe, then so be it.

Black Panther is a must though.

[MarvelKnight]

I would love to see Hercules(hell, even a reference to other pantheons) in a Thor sequel before Avengers..

As for Avengers sequel.. MoE would seem to be a smart choice. It needs Zemo though, imho.

[Superhero 101]

yeah panther would be so badass in a movie

And i love the idea of a Masters of Evil for Avengers 2 with Thanos in the mix

[BigThor]

BP or the Pyms for me , thank you.

Same here, in a pefect world we'd see BP, Hank, & Jan join The Avengers and bring some Ultron awesomeness with them.

[thalidomide]

For some reason when I read the title of this thread I feel a little nervous thinking, "how can they top the 1st Avengers movie?"

I'm not trying to be negative or anything I'm just saying :(

[Anno_Domini]

Bigger Avenger roster, bigger and badder villains.

Easily.

[Artistsean]

What about working in Henry Gyrich and the idea of him controlling the team and kicking members out and stuff? That whole thing where he puts restrictions on the team and forces them to cut members?

[Oberon sexton]

^ Fox owns the rights to Gyrich, at least I think so. He was in the first X-men movie as an aid to senator Kelly.

[shauner111]

I was originally OK with the idea of including Spider-Man in the sequel. The more star power the better. But they would have to take a top guy out of there for it not to be overcrowded. Maybe if Downey doesn't want to do a sequel and they have to replace him with a huge Marvel character. Then they'll bring Garfield in as Spidey? But the balance wouldn't be the same imo.

That's why i dont like it anymore when it's suggested. A skinny teenage boy, even if he's almost 20, it would just be weird having Peter Parker in a meeting with all these 30 something year old adults who are in battle? Nah.

I'm usually not a marvel guy or Avengers guy so i don't know as much as you all do. I guess there's tons of new characters & villains that are more suitable for the sequel. Names that would be obscure to the general audience.

[CaptainStacy]

^ Fox owns the rights to Gyrich, at least I think so. He was in the first X-men movie as an aid to senator Kelly.

His first comic appearance was in Avengers though, so maybe they have dibs?

[muzzy]

I was thinking of possible routes Marvel could go and continue to push the envelope, and I came up with the following fantasy scenario:

Iron Man 3
Thor2
Cap 2

Guardians of the Galaxy
(Possibly revamped as a cosmic team lead by Captain Marvel, they try to stop Thanos and fail more or less, but Miss Marvel is created)

Possibly a Black Panther or Dr. Strange Movie

Avengers 2- Thanos/Infinity Gauntlet

Heroes for Hire
Black Panther/Doc Strange Intro Duction
BP/Strange Sequel
Ant Man/Wasp

Avengers 3 - Team deals with Super powered Tech Baddies ala Secret War, perhaps from an over thrown Wakanda rather than Latveria

Secret Avengers- Same summer as Avengers 3, this covers the invasion/war team created by Fury, toppling the Wakanda Government, Fury goes into hiding, Many Avengers 3 scenes from new perspectives.

After Avengers 3/Secret Avengers opinion is split and we have two Avengers teams. The damage caused leads to registration calls, and Fury is in hiding, Stark/Hill run Shield. Setting up -

Avengers: Civil War- A scaled down version of the comic, between the two Avengers Teams.

I know I'm dreaming, since the actors would all be too old, but I can dream, and I think covering Secret War and Civil War would be Amazing.

[DrCosmic]

His first comic appearance was in Avengers though, so maybe they have dibs?

I don't think there's 'dibs.' If Fox has the rights, then they have the rights. Black Panther's first appearance was in FF, but he's not a part of the FF story, y'know?

[DrCosmic]

I'd like to change my previous sequel ideas, btw.

Pre TA2: IM3, Thor2, Cap2, BlackPanther, Edgar Wright's Ant-Man

TA2: Ultron gets set up in all these films as a product of all of the heroes, so he's personal to all of them (ie, Designed by Pym, Vibranium body, built self at Stark facility, Cosmic Cube Power Source lost by Thor, made self aware by discussion with Cap), at which point he turns the whole world upside down via some uberhacking and then brings it to the Avengers personally, threatening family members bringing back villains (ie, letting Abomination loose, finding Red Skull, remotely controlling the Iron Monger) putting them at each other's throats. BP joins at the beginning, Vision at the end. Carol Danvers is supporting cast in SHIELD, but no powers. One Avenger tragically dies in the climactic battle.

Pre TA3: Dr. Strange, Thor 3, Cap 3, Guardians of the Galaxy
TA 3: Ms. Marvel now has powers and Thanos intel from GotG. One Ant-Man or another has joined the squad in a relatively minor Hawkeye-sized role. Thanos, now built up and explored in the GotG movie, wages war on everything, Asgard falls, the world in almost complete shambles, nothing left but to fight with everything they have. Very much a war movie, with a combat-lighter background quest, like Lord of the Rings: Return of the King, that pays off and wraps up every single storyline.

Pre TA4: BP2, IM4, Iron Fist, SHIELD
TA 4: Establishes the Avengers as a SHIELD-sanctioned team that Fury keeps on call, can call on selected operatives to deal with world-class threats as needed. Perhaps they'll fight Kang in this one.

Post TA4:BP3, GotG 2, IM5, Heroes for Hire, who knows, y'know?
TA5,6,7: Continue this cycle, perhaps as a trilogy dealing with the Kree/Skrull("Chitauri?") War, with Ronan and others, Disassembled, and maybe even Korvac.

TA8,9,X: If it gets that far, call me. :)

[dbxkilla]

Iron man 3, Thor 2, Captain America 2, Doctor strange and Ant Man with maybe a cameo for vision or black panther leading up to avengers

Kang comes back from a future where he is the ruler of earth. He comes back because thanos destroys the earth in the present making his reality messed up so he goes back in time to conquer the earth and ready the military for thanos arrival.

[Artistsean]

What if they redid the whole introducing characters in their own movies thing?
Let Cap do Cap Amer. 2, Iron Man do Iron Man 3, do a Thor 2, do an Ant Man film, and then bring them back together in Avengers 2 after those solo film. With the new introduction of Ant Man from his own solo film you repeat the idea.

[cherokeesam]

I see Thanos returning a lot sooner than some of you are expecting.

Like, next year.

I see Thor 2, in particular, picking up almost exactly where Avengers left off. We open in Asgard, with Loki put on trial before Odin and the other Asgardians for his treachery. While the trial is going on, Thor re-connects with old friends --- Heimdall, Sif, the Warriors Three. The trial concludes with Loki being sentenced to an unbelievably harsh banishment sentence --- in the comics/myths, he undergoes a Promethean-type penance, with the Midgard Serpent eternally dripping acid into his propped-open eyeballs.

Meantime, Odin takes a quiet moment in the Treasury to tell Thor how proud he is of the god he has become, and believes he is responsible enough to take the throne soon. Suddenly, the Cosmic Cube starts acting up, and, just like in Avengers, someone is opening a portal on the other side. Loki? Thor wonders. No, Odin replies....worse.

Thanos teleports into the Treasury Room in all his glory. Explains how he manipulated Loki like a pawn to maneuver the Cube into this room, where Thanos can now claim the prize he was actually after all along --- his "stolen" Infinity Gauntlet. Thor, Odin, Heimdall, the Warriors Three, Sif....all fall before Thanos' might. Thanos takes the Gauntlet and escapes back into the Cosmos, leaving Asgard in ruins (and maybe Odin dead, or on death's door).

Thor needs to find Thanos, and find *some* way to defeat him. The only way he can track him is through someone who knows how to open wormholes in space. Odin is too weak (or, again, maybe even dead) to transport Thor away, so his only chance is to summon what little resources he has left to combine with Heimdall to reestablish a temporary bridge back to Midgard, where he can find Dr. Selvig and Jane Foster at the observatory in Norway.

But after a long-delayed reunion, Jane and Selvig inform Thor that it's not going to be that simple to just "home in" on Thanos and the Gauntlet. They'll need to have some kind of concept of where Thanos actually lives in the universe. And Thor knows of only one being who has seen the Throne of Thanos....his banished half-brother....

[Silvermoth]

I don't think it'll be a good idea to have more than one character added to the Avengers, two at the most if they arrive in a pair like the Pyms.

It's not like with the X-men where you just have to show their personality quirks and powers. With the Avengers you also have to show how they got their powers and how they relate to the story. If you have Vision, Ms Marvel and Black Panther for example that's pretty complicated to explain without having everyone else fade into the background.

[slim_summers]

I don't think it'll be a good idea to have more than one character added to the Avengers, two at the most if they arrive in a pair like the Pyms.

It's not like with the X-men where you just have to show their personality quirks and powers. With the Avengers you also have to show how they got their powers and how they relate to the story. If you have Vision, Ms Marvel and Black Panther for example that's pretty complicated to explain without having everyone else fade into the background.

I agree. Vision, BP and Ms Marvel are all great characters but I wouldn't want any of them for the sake of it. BP frankly needs his own movie first like Hulk, IM etc, so that you don't end up wasting Avenger-movie-time on 'origins' stuff (which takes time and skill to get right anyway).

The Pyms are a different matter for me. Regardless of the Ant-Man movie or how it fits in with Avengers, Hank's a pretty easy character to incorporate into Avengers 2 - he's a super-scientist like some of the others, SHIELD can head hunt him or whatever. He's also the only Avenger (as much as I love Wasp, Witch, Vision and co) that I personally NEED to see in an Avengers movie.

Only problem for me is diversity - he's yet another white male on the team. I'd like him to replace Hulk, who was awesome in first movie but doesn't actually need to be there any more (based on comics). In Avengers movie Banner was there for his brain, so if he left Hank would be a logical replacement. Include Jan and there's at least another chick on the team.

[DrCosmic]

I see Thanos returning a lot sooner than some of you are expecting.

Like, next year.

Thanos will definitely make an appearance and have an effect, but... I don't think Thor 2 will revolve around him and his actions. I think Thor will revolve around Thor's personal development. He's already had the 'lost my father' storyline, for instance. Thanos will probably still be in the shadows, at a distance, somewhat mysterious to non-comics fans.

I don't think it'll be a good idea to have more than one character added to the Avengers, two at the most if they arrive in a pair like the Pyms.

It's not like with the X-men where you just have to show their personality quirks and powers. With the Avengers you also have to show how they got their powers and how they relate to the story. If you have Vision, Ms Marvel and Black Panther for example that's pretty complicated to explain without having everyone else fade into the background.

If they've had their own solo movies, or appeared in someone else's, then you don't have to explain *how* they got their powers, just what their powers are and their personality, and all that has to fit with the movie's storyline. That's why you can't do an origin with Avengers, cuz there's no time to spend on a separate storyline that doesn't tie into the main storyline. There's barely enough time to give six people great character moments and action moments and serve the story. There's simply not enough time to do the same for seven or eight people. At least, not unless we treat them like Hawkeye, in that they aren't really integrated into the team's social storyline, don't have their own character arc, and they don't really have much in terms of abilities, to show off, so we can show it all in just a few minutes. I don't think that works for Black Panther, Ms. Marvel or Vision.

[cherokeesam]

Thanos will definitely make an appearance and have an effect, but... I don't think Thor 2 will revolve around him and his actions. I think Thor will revolve around Thor's personal development. He's already had the 'lost my father' storyline, for instance. Thanos will probably still be in the shadows, at a distance, somewhat mysterious to non-comics fans.



I don't see Thanos being the main villain in Thor 2...I just see him as a first-act plot catalyst. I think he *does* infiltrate the Treasury Room as I described above, and Thor begins an epic chase across the Nine Realms after him....but really, Thor doesn't even get close to seeing him again for this film. Maybe a glimpse of him again at the very ending, but otherwise, I see the bulk of the film being about the side-quests and cosmic encounters Thor has while he tracks his vanished quarry. Encounters that may or may not include Enchantress and Skurge, Surtur, Fenris, Ymir, Malekith, Hela, Karnilla and the like.

[MaryJaneWatson]

This.

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[DrCosmic]

I don't see Thanos being the main villain in Thor 2...I just see him as a first-act plot catalyst. I think he *does* infiltrate the Treasury Room as I described above, and Thor begins an epic chase across the Nine Realms after him....but really, Thor doesn't even get close to seeing him again for this film. Maybe a glimpse of him again at the very ending, but otherwise, I see the bulk of the film being about the side-quests and cosmic encounters Thor has while he tracks his vanished quarry. Encounters that may or may not include Enchantress and Skurge, Surtur, Fenris, Ymir, Malekith, Hela, Karnilla and the like.

That makes Thanos the main villain. You even say all the other villains are side quests. That means they're not the main villain. If he does infiltrate the Treasury room, that will be the side quest, a relatively minor plot point, like SHIELD in IM2, or in Thor, not the catalyst for the rest of the action in the movie. And doing so with a bad guy you're not going to get closure with... I don't see how that can be a good movie.

This.

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That's boss.

[Silvermoth]

If they've had their own solo movies, or appeared in someone else's, then you don't have to explain *how* they got their powers, just what their powers are and their personality, and all that has to fit with the movie's storyline. That's why you can't do an origin with Avengers, cuz there's no time to spend on a separate storyline that doesn't tie into the main storyline. There's barely enough time to give six people great character moments and action moments and serve the story. There's simply not enough time to do the same for seven or eight people. At least, not unless we treat them like Hawkeye, in that they aren't really integrated into the team's social storyline, don't have their own character arc, and they don't really have much in terms of abilities, to show off, so we can show it all in just a few minutes. I don't think that works for Black Panther, Ms. Marvel or Vision.

That gets a bit tricky though. Not every Avenger will have their own movie and I know a fair few people will complain if some random person appears in somebody else's movie and has such a major moment as the time they get their powers. I know the Widow got a bit of flak for this in Iron Man 2.

I agree with what you said about giving the others enough time to develop. I think you can make it to seven though. Any more and it's too much.

Take for example if Ms Marvel is the new character. She brings a new dynamic (and more diversity) but most of all, if the storyline has a cosmic essense in it, then you can write in that Special Agent Carol Danvers was investigating first contact with an alien race when she got her powers. The Avengers are called in to interview her and investigate the object. So that works for the story.

Seven is the max though. After that, you'll need to start dropping Avengers.

[DrCosmic]

Hmmm... they might could possibly do seven. It's possible, but a lot of little stuff would have to give.

[Closerframe]

I'd like to see Ultron and the Vision like many have said, but I think going in a less predictable direction is more exciting to discuss. I think introducing Dr. Henry Pym and Janet Pym as the two new scientists on board the SHIELD carrier who were responsible behind the "Phase II" weaponry. They're now studying the possibilities of cybernetics and Life Model Decoys with Stark and Banner. Eventually, Michael Korvac comes into the picture from an alternative universe and has absorbed some of the power from the Cosmic Cube, which is now in the possession of Thanos if he takes it at the end of Thor 2--which I hope he does. He comes to Earth to make it a utopia, unlike Loki he actually wants to rebuild by destroying and reshaping. They could also introduce Dr. Strange as someone who is more of a cross between Thor's godly power and Stark's science. And in the end, Korvac is defeated and killed by Thanos when he tries to retreat because Thanos is upset he tried to claim the galaxy for himself. This ends directly where The Avengers 3 can pick-up, Earth is in shambles, perfect time for Thanos to strike.

Just an idea.

[cherokeesam]

That makes Thanos the main villain. You even say all the other villains are side quests. That means they're not the main villain. If he does infiltrate the Treasury room, that will be the side quest, a relatively minor plot point, like SHIELD in IM2, or in Thor, not the catalyst for the rest of the action in the movie. And doing so with a bad guy you're not going to get closure with... I don't see how that can be a good movie.



That's boss.

Eh, I know it's risky to set up a main villain and not get a payoff in that same movie, but you can look at it the same way as Sauron (or even the Nazgul) in LOTR. The Nine don't take on Sauron until film three, but in the meantime, you've got plenty of action against the Balrog, Saruman and Gollum.

[DrCosmic]

It's much more risky, because instead of setting the expectation of incomplete stories from the beginning and promising a payoff at a certain time, like LOTR did, you're disappointed the audience whose come to expect payoff from each of the Marvel Studios films, and indeed, from the Thor franchise. It'd be like the Matrix. The first one was self contained, the second one wasn't, and everyone was pissed.

[L0ngsh0t]

It's much more risky, because instead of setting the expectation of incomplete stories from the beginning and promising a payoff at a certain time, like LOTR did, you're disappointed the audience whose come to expect payoff from each of the Marvel Studios films, and indeed, from the Thor franchise. It'd be like the Matrix. The first one was self contained, the second one wasn't, and everyone was pissed.

It's important to note the difference between defeating a bad guy and defeating a bad guy's "scheme"

The Avengers don't have to kill Thanos in A2 to conclude the movie

[L0ngsh0t]

I think a pretty logical progression of the movies would be something like


Cap and Iron Man are pretty grounded movies, no cosmic influence but maybe some subtleties like AIM in Cap who it turns out is a sleeper cell organization who is given tech from another dimension, or something involving the Universal Church of Truth

Thor 2 is kinda the IM2 of "Phase 2" which has a big hand in setting up the events of Avengers 2

Thor 2:
Enchantress and Executioner stage a coup on Asgard to capture Loki and take him across the galaxy cause Thanos has put a huge bounty on his head. Thor begs her if there is any other way and she says if they go and get the Infinity Gem that controlls the dead. The gem is hidden deep inside the Nine Realms and they are going to have to use SWORD to help them find the location of it.
They go on the quest and find the stone, Enchantress uses the stone to raise an army of undead to take over the throne of Asgard, but Thor, Loki and co save the day etc.

Avengers 2:
Star-Lord or Adam Warlock come to Earth and their presence alerts SHIELD, they tell them that because of the events of Thor 2 the once thought of mythic Infinty Gems are now known to be a science instead of just a fable. The Mad-Titan Thanos is storming the galaxy, killing anything in his way to assemble the Gauntlet. The Avengers must go and find the rest of the infinity gems and guard them in Asgard, the best equipped place in the universe to battle a cosmic threat like Thanos, so the Avengers travel the galaxy and find the gems and guard them in Asgard to prepare for a huge war.

However Adam Warlock reveals himself to be a servant of the Lord Titan Thanos (clearly under mind control) and battles the avengers with sleeper cell members of the Universal church of truth. A lone spaceship lands in Asgard and Thanos walks out, revealed in full for the first time--Warlock hands him the Gauntlet, Thanos grins and blasts Warlock with a load of energy saying your services will no longer be needed.

The Avengers are noticabley terrified and they actually flee as Asgard crumbles around them with the flick of Thanos wrist. Odin tells them that he is going to use all the power he can summon and get the Avengers back to Earth....they are the universes last hope, he tells them with the Bifrost still broken it will keep Thanos in Asgard for the time being. He sends Adam Warlock too, then Odin implodes with a white light and all the Avengers appear on Earth, Odin is presumed dead so Thor is broken up. Loki says something like "The All-Father could have sent Thanos and Asgard into the Abyss...it could be years before he comes out." Fury "we'll have to be ready when he does."

there is some brief closer and then credits.

post-credits teaser: Thor goes to kill Warlock when Star-Lord appears and says Warlock is the only chance we have at stopping Thanos

Gaurdians of the Galaxy: kind of a prequel to the events that lead up to Avengers 2, shows the relationship between Thanos and Warlock a little bit....Thanos isn't overtly a bad guy in this, more like Loki in Thor 1

A3: Opening scene is Thanos meeting death as a woman. and then it's basically about the infinity gauntlet and avengers being the only ones who can stop them. Maybe some self sacrficie by Loki who knows

[AvengeME]

I would use female Ultron in the sequel (EDI from Mass Effect 3 inspired me). I don't think she needs to be a threat from solely a physical point of view but a psychological one as well. A female would be better equipped to get inside the heads of our male dominated superhero roster, providing a more sensual dynamic by being both a competent and seductive adversary for the Avengers. Example, Hank and Janet could be driven apart from one another with Hank's obsession with Ultron. Stark could try to replace Jarvis with the upgraded software because he thinks it has more sex appeal than Paul Bettany. Banner could use Ultron as a secondary psychologist to cope with his mental instability. Thor could explore man's relationship with technology as see how the two are connected, although regular Ultron would suffice for a lot of that.

[DrCosmic]

It's important to note the difference between defeating a bad guy and defeating a bad guy's "scheme"

The Avengers don't have to kill Thanos in A2 to conclude the movie

We were talking about Thor 2, in which Thanos' scheme would not be defeated. It's unsatisfying.

I think a pretty logical progression of the movies would be something like


Cap and Iron Man are pretty grounded movies, no cosmic influence but maybe some subtleties like AIM in Cap who it turns out is a sleeper cell organization who is given tech from another dimension, or something involving the Universal Church of Truth

Thor 2 is kinda the IM2 of "Phase 2" which has a big hand in setting up the events of Avengers 2

Thor 2:
Enchantress and Executioner stage a coup on Asgard to capture Loki and take him across the galaxy cause Thanos has put a huge bounty on his head. Thor begs her if there is any other way and she says if they go and get the Infinity Gem that controlls the dead. The gem is hidden deep inside the Nine Realms and they are going to have to use SWORD to help them find the location of it.
They go on the quest and find the stone, Enchantress uses the stone to raise an army of undead to take over the throne of Asgard, but Thor, Loki and co save the day etc.

Avengers 2:
Star-Lord or Adam Warlock come to Earth and their presence alerts SHIELD, they tell them that because of the events of Thor 2 the once thought of mythic Infinty Gems are now known to be a science instead of just a fable. The Mad-Titan Thanos is storming the galaxy, killing anything in his way to assemble the Gauntlet. The Avengers must go and find the rest of the infinity gems and guard them in Asgard, the best equipped place in the universe to battle a cosmic threat like Thanos, so the Avengers travel the galaxy and find the gems and guard them in Asgard to prepare for a huge war.

However Adam Warlock reveals himself to be a servant of the Lord Titan Thanos (clearly under mind control) and battles the avengers with sleeper cell members of the Universal church of truth. A lone spaceship lands in Asgard and Thanos walks out, revealed in full for the first time--Warlock hands him the Gauntlet, Thanos grins and blasts Warlock with a load of energy saying your services will no longer be needed.

The Avengers are noticabley terrified and they actually flee as Asgard crumbles around them with the flick of Thanos wrist. Odin tells them that he is going to use all the power he can summon and get the Avengers back to Earth....they are the universes last hope, he tells them with the Bifrost still broken it will keep Thanos in Asgard for the time being. He sends Adam Warlock too, then Odin implodes with a white light and all the Avengers appear on Earth, Odin is presumed dead so Thor is broken up. Loki says something like "The All-Father could have sent Thanos and Asgard into the Abyss...it could be years before he comes out." Fury "we'll have to be ready when he does."

there is some brief closer and then credits.

post-credits teaser: Thor goes to kill Warlock when Star-Lord appears and says Warlock is the only chance we have at stopping Thanos

Gaurdians of the Galaxy: kind of a prequel to the events that lead up to Avengers 2, shows the relationship between Thanos and Warlock a little bit....Thanos isn't overtly a bad guy in this, more like Loki in Thor 1

A3: Opening scene is Thanos meeting death as a woman. and then it's basically about the infinity gauntlet and avengers being the only ones who can stop them. Maybe some self sacrficie by Loki who knows

You seem to think there's time to introduce a a half dozen new concepts, entities and characters into Avengers and still make the best movie possible. Keep things simpler, so you have more time to keep the characters and their emotional journeys in focus. It makes for a better film. All the infinity gem stuff needs to happen in Guardians of the Galaxy, imho.

[AvengeME]

I love L0ngshot's idea for Thor 2, but I still feel Thanos should be barely mentioned. If the villains are acting on behalf of Thanos then fine, but much like the "Mandarin" in the Iron Man franchise, we don't need to see "Mandarin" in person. It is assumed someone is pulling the strings. I'd prefer Marvel keep a few surprises up their sleeves and reveal something completely unexpected.

[L0ngsh0t]

You seem to think there's time to introduce a a half dozen new concepts, entities and characters into Avengers and still make the best movie possible. Keep things simpler, so you have more time to keep the characters and their emotional journeys in focus. It makes for a better film. All the infinity gem stuff needs to happen in Guardians of the Galaxy, imho.

disclaimer:

I hate defending my "what I would do with MCU" because whenever people give their two cents it's tough for them not to sound too defensive of their idea but I'll try here to defend my take without sounding too sensitive and what not....at the end of the day it's likely that this is not what is going to happen so it often seems arbitrary to argue about it but it's fun anyways


So.....I think in defense of my take the new concepts would slowly be developed.

I.e. Infinity Gems: In Thor 2 we only deal with 1 infinity gem, this keeps things simple while introducing a major concept and expanding the Universe. AvengerMe makes a point that Thanos should barely be mentioned and I think that is absolutely cool....they could continue to refer to him as HIM or something like that to keep Thanos pretty mystified to the audience and not overwhelm them with a million concepts

Avengers 2 my idea was that Star-Lord and Adam Warlock would show up in the beginning of the movie as a plot device to put the movie into motion and set up Thanos a little bit without over exposing him....This would also intro the GoG movie so that it may have a little more box-office viability featuring two major players in the Avengers Universe.

GoG movie would do a good job of setting up some backstory for the Marvel Universe in my idea as it would be a semi-prequel (at least to the events of the Avengers)

There are some big concepts in play with my idea but if you break it down it's kinda 1-2 big concepts per movie....which is traditionally pretty sustainable

[cherokeesam]

We were talking about Thor 2, in which Thanos' scheme would not be defeated. It's unsatisfying.



You seem to think there's time to introduce a a half dozen new concepts, entities and characters into Avengers and still make the best movie possible. Keep things simpler, so you have more time to keep the characters and their emotional journeys in focus. It makes for a better film. All the infinity gem stuff needs to happen in Guardians of the Galaxy, imho.

I'd be very happy for the bulk of Thanos' story to play out in GOTG, since there's a helluva lot of characters on the team with direct ties to Thanos anyway.

But I'm still waiting to see whether or not the IG already officially exists in the MCU. We know that it kinda-sorta does, through the deleted scene in Thor, but that's never been officially locked down afaik. But if we *do* go by what that scene implies, than the Gauntlet has already been created, and somehow, sometime taken from Thanos. Which means that the whole Infinity Gauntlet/Infinity War/Thanos Quest sagas are already in the past as far as the MCU is concerned.

I love L0ngshot's idea for Thor 2, but I still feel Thanos should be barely mentioned. If the villains are acting on behalf of Thanos then fine, but much like the "Mandarin" in the Iron Man franchise, we don't need to see "Mandarin" in person. It is assumed someone is pulling the strings. I'd prefer Marvel keep a few surprises up their sleeves and reveal something completely unexpected.

There wouldn't be anything at all surprising or unexpected about Thanos being the one pulling the strings, though. He was set up in Avengers 1, so now everyone *expects* to see him. Maybe sooner, maybe later, but we're all already expecting him.

[Blackman]

Thor 2:
Enchantress and Executioner stage a coup on Asgard to capture Loki and take him across the galaxy cause Thanos has put a huge bounty on his head. Thor begs her if there is any other way and she says if they go and get the Infinity Gem that controlls the dead. The gem is hidden deep inside the Nine Realms and they are going to have to use SWORD to help them find the location of it.
They go on the quest and find the stone, Enchantress uses the stone to raise an army of undead to take over the throne of Asgard, but Thor, Loki and co save the day etc.

Avengers 2:
Star-Lord or Adam Warlock come to Earth and their presence alerts SHIELD, they tell them that because of the events of Thor 2 the once thought of mythic Infinty Gems are now known to be a science instead of just a fable. The Mad-Titan Thanos is storming the galaxy, killing anything in his way to assemble the Gauntlet. The Avengers must go and find the rest of the infinity gems and guard them in Asgard, the best equipped place in the universe to battle a cosmic threat like Thanos, so the Avengers travel the galaxy and find the gems and guard them in Asgard to prepare for a huge war.

However Adam Warlock reveals himself to be a servant of the Lord Titan Thanos (clearly under mind control) and battles the avengers with sleeper cell members of the Universal church of truth. A lone spaceship lands in Asgard and Thanos walks out, revealed in full for the first time--Warlock hands him the Gauntlet, Thanos grins and blasts Warlock with a load of energy saying your services will no longer be needed.

The Avengers are noticabley terrified and they actually flee as Asgard crumbles around them with the flick of Thanos wrist. Odin tells them that he is going to use all the power he can summon and get the Avengers back to Earth....they are the universes last hope, he tells them with the Bifrost still broken it will keep Thanos in Asgard for the time being. He sends Adam Warlock too, then Odin implodes with a white light and all the Avengers appear on Earth, Odin is presumed dead so Thor is broken up. Loki says something like "The All-Father could have sent Thanos and Asgard into the Abyss...it could be years before he comes out." Fury "we'll have to be ready when he does."

there is some brief closer and then credits.

post-credits teaser: Thor goes to kill Warlock when Star-Lord appears and says Warlock is the only chance we have at stopping Thanos

A3: Opening scene is Thanos meeting death as a woman. and then it's basically about the infinity gauntlet and avengers being the only ones who can stop them. Maybe some self sacrficie by Loki who knows
This sounds f***ing epic. I wish the MCU would follow this.

[Rain]

Avengers 2 - Masters of Evil ( Red Skull, Enchantress, Executioner, Abomination, maybe Titanium Man, and HYDRA henchmen.) After Loki's failure, Thanos sends Red Skull to Earth to gather the two Infinity Gems that are there (Mind from Loki's staff, and Power.) The Avengers, including Black Panther, are outmatched so they turn to Hank Pym and his robots made to assist wounded soldiers in war, called Ultron. Pym got the idea for Ultron after witnessing the aftermath of the Chitauri invasion. Hank joins the team as Ant Man and his friend Janet Van Dyne joins as Wasp. Red Skull escapes with the Gems via wormhole from Enchantress, and Ultron maybe corrupted.

[Donnie Darko]

What I REALLY want to see in a sequel is a scene at the climax of the movie, with basically all of the Avengers down, and Cap being the last one standing, he picks up Thor's hammer and strikes Thanos, either defeating him or buying time for the others. I would want more lead-up to show how special and badass it is that he can pick it up, as shown by Hulk not being able to lift it. People need to see how "worthy" Steve Rogers is.

[cherokeesam]

What I REALLY want to see in a sequel is a scene at the climax of the movie, with basically all of the Avengers down, and Cap being the last one standing, he picks up Thor's hammer and strikes Thanos, either defeating him or buying time for the others. I would want more lead-up to show how special and badass it is that he can pick it up, as shown by Hulk not being able to lift it. People need to see how "worthy" Steve Rogers is.

By cheapening his character as well as Thor's....? No thanks. Steve already proves his worthiness. He doesn't need to lift Mjolnir to give him any more validation (which also comes at the price of making Thor even less unique in the cosmos). Not to mention the fact that people will ask, "Well then, why doesn't Cap just use the shield *and* the hammer? Who needs Thor, anyway?"

[DrCosmic]

^Great reason to kill Thor, lol.

Also, why doesn't Tony just make Cap a suit of armor? People only ask if it seems like a viable option. If Cap struggles to pick up what Thor picks up easily, no one will ask that question.

[AvengeME]

I'd be very happy for the bulk of Thanos' story to play out in GOTG, since there's a helluva lot of characters on the team with direct ties to Thanos anyway.

But I'm still waiting to see whether or not the IG already officially exists in the MCU. We know that it kinda-sorta does, through the deleted scene in Thor, but that's never been officially locked down afaik. But if we *do* go by what that scene implies, than the Gauntlet has already been created, and somehow, sometime taken from Thanos. Which means that the whole Infinity Gauntlet/Infinity War/Thanos Quest sagas are already in the past as far as the MCU is concerned.



There wouldn't be anything at all surprising or unexpected about Thanos being the one pulling the strings, though. He was set up in Avengers 1, so now everyone *expects* to see him. Maybe sooner, maybe later, but we're all already expecting him.

I agree with your take on Thanos. We also expected to see Lizard at some point in Raimi's films. Never was going to happen by the look of it, so they finally decided to put him in the reboot.

Yes Thanos will be seen at some point, but where and when is the real question. GotG could be years away. Avengers have plenty of other foes. Ultron, Kang, HYDRA/MODOK, Masters of Evil. Thanos could very well be the Apocalypse of the Avengers, saved for a potential part 5 or 6. Or held of until a separate franchise entirely. This is sort of uncharted territory for Hollywood interconnecting these universes. I also do not tend to trend with the trilogy line of thinking, even though you probably only have this cast for three ensemble films. You just have to make do and not compromise on the story you want to tell. Otherwise you end up with an over bloated part 3 that crams way too much in.

I like how Nolan established a big time lapse between TDK and the sequel. Hopefully Batman was not in hiding all along and was active in that time, should they choose to return to other stories in that universe with another actor/director. More opportunities to explore that history. Marvel could do the same instead of restricting themselves to rigid continuity.

Avengers 2 needs to go in a different direction. Do NOT make the same film twice. Give us something new. New characters, new type of threat, new everything. L0ngshot's idea is very good but maybe too out of this world. Better served for GotG. I'd prefer Avengers to be relegated to Earth... for now.

[L0ngsh0t]

One thing Avengers 2 should set up is something for the Avengers to Avenge....Coulson was a good start....but maybe they should lose Earth? Thanos actually conquers Earth and the Avengers have to retreat to Asgard or something

or like in the story I broke down I guess they technically lose Odin and Asgard in A2....That would work maybe not on the same level as Earth....but I think A2 should set up something for them to Avenge in A3

[cherokeesam]

One thing Avengers 2 should set up is something for the Avengers to Avenge....Coulson was a good start....but maybe they should lose Earth? Thanos actually conquers Earth and the Avengers have to retreat to Asgard or something

or like in the story I broke down I guess they technically lose Odin and Asgard in A2....That would work maybe not on the same level as Earth....but I think A2 should set up something for them to Avenge in A3


Eh, I'm not too keen on the whole "they need something to avenge" angle. It was awkwardly done with Coulson, and they wound up "Whedon-ing" a popular character for no good reason other than the fact that Joss is notorious for those kinds of scenes.

"Avengers" was just a name in the comics, and had nothing to do with an actual description of the team's role in anything. Hell, I would've just explained the whole reason for the name as a non-sequitur cooked up by Nick Fury. Spies and soldiers always make up code names for operations and initiatives that have little to do with their actual mission parameters....they just sound cool. "Operation Overlord; Operation Arclight; Operation Market Garden; the Avenger Initiative."

[Blackman]

If Earth is lost that would affect the next phase of Marvel films too much I think

[DrCosmic]

One thing Avengers 2 should set up is something for the Avengers to Avenge....Coulson was a good start....but maybe they should lose Earth? Thanos actually conquers Earth and the Avengers have to retreat to Asgard or something

or like in the story I broke down I guess they technically lose Odin and Asgard in A2....That would work maybe not on the same level as Earth....but I think A2 should set up something for them to Avenge in A3

I agree, they need something to avenge, they have to earn the name instead of 'oh, it was like this in comics' however, I don't think you need to jump from avenging one guy to avenging the planet earth. It might be better to just avenge a teammate or something. Maybe a city, y'know?

[BatVader]

Here's how I see it playing out. Use the Phase 2 solo movies to show Thanos collecting Infinity gems,but only as a sub-plot. Maybe one of "Mandarin's" rings contains a gem. Cap 2 features a return of Red Skull who steals Loki's staff which also contains a gem. Thor sticks to the 9 Realms, where another villain is racing Thor, collecting gems. But in my scenario, Thor 2 is the only movie where the gems are front and center. And Thanos is only seen at the end of each, having the gems delivered to him, growing more powerful each movie. Then, at the end of Avengers 2, after the Avengers defeat an Earth-bound threat, Thanos remotely activates the Tesseract, transporting into Odin's Vault to steal the Gauntlet (and the remaining gems it already holds), and killing Odin in the process.
Then in Phase 3, Thanos reveals himself to the Avengers one by one in their solo movies, defeating each one before they regroup as a team to take him down in A3.

[DrCosmic]

disclaimer:

I hate defending my "what I would do with MCU" because whenever people give their two cents it's tough for them not to sound too defensive of their idea but I'll try here to defend my take without sounding too sensitive and what not....at the end of the day it's likely that this is not what is going to happen so it often seems arbitrary to argue about it but it's fun anyways


So.....I think in defense of my take the new concepts would slowly be developed.

I.e. Infinity Gems: In Thor 2 we only deal with 1 infinity gem, this keeps things simple while introducing a major concept and expanding the Universe. AvengerMe makes a point that Thanos should barely be mentioned and I think that is absolutely cool....they could continue to refer to him as HIM or something like that to keep Thanos pretty mystified to the audience and not overwhelm them with a million concepts

Avengers 2 my idea was that Star-Lord and Adam Warlock would show up in the beginning of the movie as a plot device to put the movie into motion and set up Thanos a little bit without over exposing him....This would also intro the GoG movie so that it may have a little more box-office viability featuring two major players in the Avengers Universe.

GoG movie would do a good job of setting up some backstory for the Marvel Universe in my idea as it would be a semi-prequel (at least to the events of the Avengers)

There are some big concepts in play with my idea but if you break it down it's kinda 1-2 big concepts per movie....which is traditionally pretty sustainable

Ah, well, if they show up at the beginning of TA2 to intro the plot that's fine and dandy, but the story you gave involved not only them being characters throughout the film, since Warlock is revealed to be a traitor, but travelling all over the cosmos collecting gems which means introducing different planets/locations, the challenges there, and the particular gem and its abilities. That's more than one or two concepts.

Part of what makes The Avengers so great is that everything spins out of the character development between the team. "A cosmic cube out there, going to destroy the world? We'll sit on our butts. Oh, you kill one of our friends? Now we must spring into action!" Also, I just personally think that GotG add viability/setup/success to Avengers, not the other way around.

Sometimes, it's okay to admit 'this is a movie I'd (or we'd) love, even if it's not mass marketable.' I have a lot of movie ideas like that. Like my Ms. Marvel movie...

[Artistsean]

Well, not sure when this would be done, maybe a few Avengers movies later or not. Maybe Hydra or AIM targets the Avengers group because they will get in the way of their plans they are about to finish. So one of their weapons they send after the Avengers is Taskmaster. You would also get the reveal that he was a former SHIELD agent, a sleeper agent planted into the terrorist world to spy on them like Black Widow or Fury but he went rogue. This could tie into the idea that Fury has massive secrets at all times, his secrets have secrets. How many other massive secrets is he keeping that could destroy everyone and everything? His powers would be to mimic anyone's fighting styles like in the comics, a quick ability to analyze their moves. But it would never be said to be a power just a skill like Hawkeye's skills with the bow and arrow or Black Widow's fighting.
He wouldn't have to be the main villain either, like Zola in Captain America he could just be working for the main bad guy.
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Taskmaster would work best in the Avengers movie because he would have more heroes to mimic, rather than putting him in a Black Widow solo or a Hawkeye solo or even a Captain America solo. Sure he couldn't match the Hulk's might, or Thor either, but he could match Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and maybe even Stark if he stole a suit of armor, and also Fury and Hill and any other SHIELD agents.
In the film he could even disguise himself as Stark in the armor or as Captain America if he stole the uniform.
He would be a cool side bad guy, sort of like the anti-Captain America in the movie that would also feature a bad guy team to counter them (like AIM or the return Hydra).
I can imagine Taskmaster having as much screen time as Hawkeye in the film, enough to get a good idea of who he is and what he does but it wouldn't have to be a starring role either, but not a cameo either.
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His movie costume could be so similar to Captain America's and Hawkeye's that it would look very similar to the comic and still work in the real world.
An armored mask that looks like a skull, a hood, but no cape. I couldn't see a cape working. Add straps and layered material, armor and padding, like
Cap and Hawkeye had, he would be cool looking.

[DrCosmic]

Taskmaster pretending to be Stark, (able to mimic his movements, so team can't tell) sounds AWESOME. Then someone with a suit of armor AND uber fighting skills? That sounds super-boss.

[L0ngsh0t]

Eh, I'm not too keen on the whole "they need something to avenge" angle. It was awkwardly done with Coulson, and they wound up "Whedon-ing" a popular character for no good reason other than the fact that Joss is notorious for those kinds of scenes.

"Avengers" was just a name in the comics, and had nothing to do with an actual description of the team's role in anything. Hell, I would've just explained the whole reason for the name as a non-sequitur cooked up by Nick Fury. Spies and soldiers always make up code names for operations and initiatives that have little to do with their actual mission parameters....they just sound cool. "Operation Overlord; Operation Arclight; Operation Market Garden; the Avenger Initiative."


It didn't actually hit me till Coulson said it, but it makes sense to have them Avenge something too me....

IMO it's the only thing that could garauntee Marvel they are better movies than the Nolan movies (let's be real....I'm happy both movies are awesome but deep down all the Marvelites want the Avengers to be better than Nolan no matter how high road we try to take it) is that they are allowed to earn it.....if it's going to be a trilogy the trilogy should be about something...and maybe that is simply earning the title of "super hero" which would be spelled out in the idea of "Avenging"

I don't think you have to blow Earth or blow Asgard up too do this....but have Thanos conquer it and use it as his home base or something to explore this area of the galaxy? Absolutely.

[L0ngsh0t]

Well, not sure when this would be done, maybe a few Avengers movies later or not. Maybe Hydra or AIM targets the Avengers group because they will get in the way of their plans they are about to finish. So one of their weapons they send after the Avengers is Taskmaster. You would also get the reveal that he was a former SHIELD agent, a sleeper agent planted into the terrorist world to spy on them like Black Widow or Fury but he went rogue. This could tie into the idea that Fury has massive secrets at all times, his secrets have secrets. How many other massive secrets is he keeping that could destroy everyone and everything? His powers would be to mimic anyone's fighting styles like in the comics, a quick ability to analyze their moves. But it would never be said to be a power just a skill like Hawkeye's skills with the bow and arrow or Black Widow's fighting.
He wouldn't have to be the main villain either, like Zola in Captain America he could just be working for the main bad guy.
http://holdyourfireal.smugmug.com/Bowen-Designs/Production-Shots/i-dGQX4b9/0/XL/Bowen-Designs-Taskmaster-40-XL.jpg http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/23990/737036-5.jpg
Taskmaster would work best in the Avengers movie because he would have more heroes to mimic, rather than putting him in a Black Widow solo or a Hawkeye solo or even a Captain America solo. Sure he couldn't match the Hulk's might, or Thor either, but he could match Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and maybe even Stark if he stole a suit of armor, and also Fury and Hill and any other SHIELD agents.
In the film he could even disguise himself as Stark in the armor or as Captain America if he stole the uniform.
He would be a cool side bad guy, sort of like the anti-Captain America in the movie that would also feature a bad guy team to counter them (like AIM or the return Hydra).
I can imagine Taskmaster having as much screen time as Hawkeye in the film, enough to get a good idea of who he is and what he does but it wouldn't have to be a starring role either, but not a cameo either.
http://cdn1.sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/capsuits-1024x772.jpg
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His movie costume could be so similar to Captain America's and Hawkeye's that it would look very similar to the comic and still work in the real world.
An armored mask that looks like a skull, a hood, but no cape. I couldn't see a cape working. Add straps and layered material, armor and padding, like
Cap and Hawkeye had, he would be cool looking.


Taskmaster would be a cool villain to throw into a Civil War storyline.....which I am actually a little against but if it were to happen he would be a fun equation to throw in there

[DrCosmic]

I'd love to see Tasky in a SHIELD movie, or even Cap 2 or 3. He'd be great as a Hyrda or AIM-hired guy who can take down all the non supers by employing all his Taskmastery.

[L0ngsh0t]

I'd love to see Tasky in a SHIELD movie, or even Cap 2 or 3. He'd be great as a Hyrda or AIM-hired guy who can take down all the non supers by employing all his Taskmastery.

Taskmaster would make an excellent Cap 2 villain especially if AIM was the main "bad guy" but because it is this big crime syndicate the physical threat is Taskmaster who is funded by AIM

[Artistsean]

http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/2/a0/4ba958de2fcbf/detail.jpg
The reason I was putting Taskmaster in the Avengers films is because his power to mimic their moves would be best shown with multiple characters like the Avenger films. Just as Mimic would work best in an X-men film instead of a Wolverine movie. He could be fighting all the no super powered Avengers, Cap, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and even Stark or Fury, all at once and be mimicking each fighting style using Black Widows moves against Captain America or Hawkeye's skills against Black Widow. It would be more interesting, to me anyway, than him versus Captain America in a Cap film because then there is only Captain America to mimic, plus SHIELD agents perhaps.
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His role in the Avengers film wouldn't have to be too big either, he wouldn't even have to speak much. Similar to Darth Maul in the Star Wars film. He is sort of their hired gun, hitman, bodyguard. Second Banana to the main villain, whoever it is (could be AIM or Hydra, etc). Another example I mentioned before would be like Zola's screen time in the Captain America film. Or sort of, but not exactly, like Justin Hammer's screen time in Iron Man 2 (maybe a better example would be Black Widow's screen time). He wouldn't have to be the focus of the film, but he would have enough to be noticed.
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I could see Taskmaster making his big screen debut in a Captain America movie and then brought into the Avengers film.
But I think the best way to use him would be to use him against the Avengers because, like I said earlier, he could have more characters to mimic. More visual effects for the audience to watch as he mimics Captain America, then Hawkeye, then Black Widow, then back to Hawkeye, then Iron Man (without the armor) and finally back to Captain America, in one fight scene where he faces all of them at once. Plus you get the great SHIELD involvement. He is a former SHIELD spy like Hawkeye and Black Widow, but turned rogue and is one of Fury's dark secrets that has come back to destroy the Avengers. Also he wouldn't just be a worthy opponent for the non powered, he could fight Thor too and stand toe to toe like he did in the comics recently.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33806/1030437-8_avengers__the_initiative_33_large.jpg
With that you once again show that Fury is a spy with many secrets and questionable morals. You also get the Avengers questioning him. You get Hawkeye and Black Widow questioning their company, SHIELD. Etc. And that would all just be a small part of the Avengers film, like how the whole SHIELD developing Hydra weapons was a small part of the Avengers 1 film.
I do think he would make a great Captain America bad guy too. But not the main bad guy. Cap has so many good bad guys. Robotic Zola, Baron Zemo, MODOK, Sin (descendant of Red Skull) and her Serpant Squad, um ... others
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans5/MTU146_Taskmaster.JPG
In whatever movie he first appears in, Avengers or Cap, I want him to eventually be in the Avengers. You can also bring in the idea that the group who he works for AIM or Hydra, had plans for domination until the Avengers saved everyone in Avengers 1. So now the Avengers are their target. Taskmaster is a former SHIELD agent turned rogue who now trains all Hydra or AIM's soldiers. But then they pull him out of that to go after the Avengers himself, along with other bad guys maybe (like Hydra soldiers) and he has as much screen time as Darth Maul or something. You could even get Ray Park to play him while having someone else doing his voice for the few scenes they have him actually talk like they did with Darth Maul or Snakeyes.
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[L0ngsh0t]

http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/2/a0/4ba958de2fcbf/detail.jpg
The reason I was putting Taskmaster in the Avengers films is because his power to mimic their moves would be best shown with multiple characters like the Avenger films. Just as Mimic would work best in an X-men film instead of a Wolverine movie. He could be fighting all the no super powered Avengers, Cap, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and even Stark or Fury, all at once and be mimicking each fighting style using Black Widows moves against Captain America or Hawkeye's skills against Black Widow. It would be more interesting, to me anyway, than him versus Captain America in a Cap film because then there is only Captain America to mimic, plus SHIELD agents perhaps.
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His role in the Avengers film wouldn't have to be too big either, he wouldn't even have to speak much. Similar to Darth Maul in the Star Wars film. He is sort of their hired gun, hitman, bodyguard. Second Banana to the main villain, whoever it is (could be AIM or Hydra, etc). Another example I mentioned before would be like Zola's screen time in the Captain America film. Or sort of, but not exactly, like Justin Hammer's screen time in Iron Man 2 (maybe a better example would be Black Widow's screen time). He wouldn't have to be the focus of the film, but he would have enough to be noticed.
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I could see Taskmaster making his big screen debut in a Captain America movie and then brought into the Avengers film.
But I think the best way to use him would be to use him against the Avengers because, like I said earlier, he could have more characters to mimic. More visual effects for the audience to watch as he mimics Captain America, then Hawkeye, then Black Widow, then back to Hawkeye, then Iron Man (without the armor) and finally back to Captain America, in one fight scene where he faces all of them at once. Plus you get the great SHIELD involvement. He is a former SHIELD spy like Hawkeye and Black Widow, but turned rogue and is one of Fury's dark secrets that has come back to destroy the Avengers. Also he wouldn't just be a worthy opponent for the non powered, he could fight Thor too and stand toe to toe like he did in the comics recently.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33806/1030437-8_avengers__the_initiative_33_large.jpg
With that you once again show that Fury is a spy with many secrets and questionable morals. You also get the Avengers questioning him. You get Hawkeye and Black Widow questioning their company, SHIELD. Etc. And that would all just be a small part of the Avengers film, like how the whole SHIELD developing Hydra weapons was a small part of the Avengers 1 film.
I do think he would make a great Captain America bad guy too. But not the main bad guy. Cap has so many good bad guys. Robotic Zola, Baron Zemo, MODOK, Sin (descendant of Red Skull) and her Serpant Squad, um ... others
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans5/MTU146_Taskmaster.JPG
In whatever movie he first appears in, Avengers or Cap, I want him to eventually be in the Avengers. You can also bring in the idea that the group who he works for AIM or Hydra, had plans for domination until the Avengers saved everyone in Avengers 1. So now the Avengers are their target. Taskmaster is a former SHIELD agent turned rogue who now trains all Hydra or AIM's soldiers. But then they pull him out of that to go after the Avengers himself, along with other bad guys maybe (like Hydra soldiers) and he has as much screen time as Darth Maul or something. You could even get Ray Park to play him while having someone else doing his voice for the few scenes they have him actually talk like they did with Darth Maul or Snakeyes.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--49KKPluY7E/T6CUrN_ySEI/AAAAAAAAomk/yxctTHyx-RM/s640/Avengers195-18.jpg


The obvious problem with Taskmaster as the Avengers bad guy is why the hell do we need 4 of Earth's Mightiest Superheroes to stop the Taskmaster?

[Artistsean]

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It would take a whole team because he wouldn't be the only bad guy. He would be a hired assassin/bodyguard for the bigger boss/team. If he works for Hydra (someone Captain America has already faced and mentioned in the Avengers) then there is a reason the whole team is needed. They wont just be fighting him, they will be fighting all of Hydra. Like Darth Maul he will be a handful that can take on the whole team at once, Cap/Black Widow/Hawkeye, etc, all at the same time while matching their fighting skills move for move learning from them as they fight him. But he will just be one of many bad guys sent after the team.
If Hydra is used in the Avenger film imagine the main bad guy is Baron Struker. His second in command is Madam Hydra. He also many Hydra sleeper agents and soldiers. And Taskmaster, who was hired to train the Hydra agents is sent after the Avengers. Its like in the Bourne Identity or one of the sequels, There was a larger group but they activate some of their agents and send them after Jason Bourne. But in this case they activate Taskmaster and send him to kill Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Stark.
Imagine something like this, we first see Taskmaster at the Hydra base watching footage of the Avengers or old footage of old fighters or superheroes. He is told his new job. Later he breaks into Avengers Tower and attacks. It becomes obvious to the audience that Taskmaster is a major threat when he fights all of them at once. Mimicking Captain America to block Hawkeye's arrow and then counters with a shield throw, then flips backward and uses a Black Widow move on Captain America and then mimic's Hawkeye with a perfect arrow shot at Iron Man knocking out one of his repulsars. Just an example, but in the heat of battle he could be shown to be maybe a minor threat to the whole team but a major threat to many of them. And after a brief fight scene he leaves only to return again in the movie to fight some more. Just like Darth Maul who I don't remember being shown that much Taskmaster could be shown to be a big threat worthy of all the Avengers with only a few scenes and while not being the main focus at all. I see him as being nothing more than a hired assassin in the film, but one that would be awesome to see on the screen. Sort of the Anti-Captain America.

I am not saying he is in anyway on the level of Kang or Ultron but he is a hired gun who is enough to hold his own in a fight with Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Stark, all at once. He could also get captured and imprisoned and that is how The Raft is introduced.

[sauronthegreat]

I believe Black Widow and Hawkeye will be regular characters in Cap's solo franchise, since Steve stays with SHIELD and Nick Fury. I see Baron Zemo as a logical choice for Cap America sequel, but along with Taskmaster will be epic.

[DrCosmic]

^Agreed. I think it'll be hard to put Taskmaster in Avengers without derailing it though. I mean, you have to make Hyrda the villain for the whole Avengers, and basically ignore the Thanos storyline for it to work.

[cherokeesam]

I believe Black Widow and Hawkeye will be regular characters in Cap's solo franchise, since Steve stays with SHIELD and Nick Fury. I see Baron Zemo as a logical choice for Cap America sequel, but along with Taskmaster will be epic.

I'm all for seeing more Black Widow and Hawkeye somewhere, but I think it would be very unfair to shove extra heroes into Cap's solo movie(s) while letting characters like Thor and Iron Man have the spotlight all to themselves in their respective films. I'd rather see a SHIELD film that lets the SHIELD agents (including Fury) get their due. Plus, it would be a great excuse to bring back Clark Gregg in a SHIELD prequel.

[RockSP]

^^Agreed, for the most part. Don't think it needs to be a prequel, though.

[L0ngsh0t]

I'm all for seeing more Black Widow and Hawkeye somewhere, but I think it would be very unfair to shove extra heroes into Cap's solo movie(s) while letting characters like Thor and Iron Man have the spotlight all to themselves in their respective films. I'd rather see a SHIELD film that lets the SHIELD agents (including Fury) get their due. Plus, it would be a great excuse to bring back Clark Gregg in a SHIELD prequel.



I'm gonna disagree with you and here is why:

Cap, while kicking a lot of ass, is easily the least visually appealing character of the lot....when he fights its' beat down city, sure, but he doesn't bring a whole lot of flair....so how do you counter this? lots and lots of beat downs....Avengers worked better as a cap movie than TFA did because it gave cap an insurmountable number or foes to beat down so it was both a believable challenge for a super solider and offered a lot of potential beat down options..

the problem is, once the numbers of bad guys go up to make the fighting scenes more interesting the believablity that Cap can do it all himself (i.e. beat everyone down and save the day) goes down.

and AIM with assistance from Taskmaster or Winter Solider is the perfect Cap storyline to use Hawk, Widow and Shield because it has a counter threat on the level with Shield and a counter threat on the level of Cap

If you replace the 8 or so Howling Commando's with Hawkeye and Black Widow you can spend more time developing Hawk and Widow then worrying about 8 guys essentially

Cap is going to need a sidekick option, so the SHIELD crew seems like it would make a lot of sense as we already know them and like them

[Artistsean]

Scarlett Johansson has already said that she wont be in Iron Man 3, but she would love to do a solo Black Widow film and make it like a Bourne Identity type film. So I think she would also refuse to play second banana to Captain America in his solo film too. And Renner is taking up the Bourne franchise too, so I doubt he will want to continue playing second banana as well.
I think they are probably signed up for some solo films for their character in case the public wanted to see a solo Hawkeye movie and a solo Black Widow, and I am sure they are signed for at least 3 Avenger films. But I can only see them showing up in other super films if they have it in their contract that they had to. I have heard Chris Evans has said that he only did the Cap movie and the Avenger movie because RDJ told him it would be great for his career. And now he is signed for sequels, so as long as its in his contract he will do them. But he doesn't really want to.
So I am thinking these actors might only do whats in their contract, and since it seems Johansson doesn't have more cameos or other films besides a solo and more Avengers in her contract, I don't think the others would either.
So I don't think we will see Hawkeye pop up in a Cap movie, or Thor show up in an Iron Man film. I would love to see Banner show up in Tony's lab or Stark pop in to a Cap film as a friend he eats lunch with, but I don't think much of that will happen.

Also, for me personally, I don't want to see BW or Hawkeye in a Cap film. I sort of feel they would take some of the spotlight away from Cap. He needs his own solo film. SHIELD agents like Fury or Hill, or Carter, wouldn't because they are almost background characters, but Hawkeye and BW are now recognizable.
Let Cap have his own film.

Taskmaster wouldn't derail the avengers, I think. It does depend on where the movies go. But if they handle Thanos in Avenger 2 or save him for Avengers 3 you still have one movie where they don't use him, unless its done in 2 and 3. But I think one of the Avengers films, with the original cast (they should keep it going past 3 films) should focus on the human element. How do the public see and treat the Avengers and what does their appearance mean for super criminals?
Just like Fury said to Iron Man and in the Avengers, more and more superheroes are popping up. But also more and more super villains. The Avengers movies should deal with the rise in super villains and what would happen if they banded together or if a terrorist organization used them. What if Hydra was hiding this whole time since Captain America's film? Maybe with the Avengers showing up their secret world domination plans are derailed so now they have to deal with the Avengers.

[Blackman]

Am I the only one who think CIvil War wouldnt be good for the MCU?

[Lord]

Right now it would be a bad idea, if they're planing on this trilogy being about Thanos then they shouldn't touch that story yet, they should wait some time after the MCU is more crowded to do Civil War.

I believe this first trilogy is Joss Whedon's, Rowdey Downey Jr's, Chris Evans's, etc ERA, i heard that they were going to follow the Bond route, so that leaves other people and those that return to do other stories after Avengers 3, i hope Civil War eventually happens, but now's too early.

[Zarex]

I also think that the Civil War storyline is a bad fit for the MCU. There are only 7 superheroes currently in existence (counting Rhodey), and only three have superhuman abilities (counting Cap). None of them are vigilanties or have secret identies. I'm not sure how it would work.

I would love to see Ultron as the villain in the Avengers sequel. He can be introduced as a JARVIS type AI in the Ant-Man film, and then turn on his "father" after taking conrol of Hank's encephalo helmet and creating a robot body to go with it. After being confiscated by SHIELD at the end of the picture, Ultron can plant his head on top of the previously confiscated Destroyer armor, providing an indestructible foe for the Avengers sequel.

I am not sure how to introduce the Vision, but I wouldn't be shocked if Whedon goes with a female version of the character if he returns to direct the sequel.

[Donnie Darko]

I will be pissed if Civil War is made into a movie, unless it is a dtv animated.

[Blackman]

I also think that the Civil War storyline is a bad fit for the MCU. There are only 7 superheroes currently in existence (counting Rhodey), and only three have superhuman abilities (counting Cap). None of them are vigilanties or have secret identies. I'm not sure how it would work

That's what I was gonna say. No secret identities. They seem to be on decent working terms with SHIELD

[DrCosmic]

I'm more stuck on the fact there's so few of them. 6 guys can't have a war.

Scarlett Johansson has already said that she wont be in Iron Man 3, but she would love to do a solo Black Widow film and make it like a Bourne Identity type film. So I think she would also refuse to play second banana to Captain America in his solo film too. And Renner is taking up the Bourne franchise too, so I doubt he will want to continue playing second banana as well.
I think they are probably signed up for some solo films for their character in case the public wanted to see a solo Hawkeye movie and a solo Black Widow, and I am sure they are signed for at least 3 Avenger films. But I can only see them showing up in other super films if they have it in their contract that they had to. I have heard Chris Evans has said that he only did the Cap movie and the Avenger movie because RDJ told him it would be great for his career. And now he is signed for sequels, so as long as its in his contract he will do them. But he doesn't really want to.
So I am thinking these actors might only do whats in their contract, and since it seems Johansson doesn't have more cameos or other films besides a solo and more Avengers in her contract, I don't think the others would either.
So I don't think we will see Hawkeye pop up in a Cap movie, or Thor show up in an Iron Man film. I would love to see Banner show up in Tony's lab or Stark pop in to a Cap film as a friend he eats lunch with, but I don't think much of that will happen.

Also, for me personally, I don't want to see BW or Hawkeye in a Cap film. I sort of feel they would take some of the spotlight away from Cap. He needs his own solo film. SHIELD agents like Fury or Hill, or Carter, wouldn't because they are almost background characters, but Hawkeye and BW are now recognizable.
Let Cap have his own film.

Taskmaster wouldn't derail the avengers, I think. It does depend on where the movies go. But if they handle Thanos in Avenger 2 or save him for Avengers 3 you still have one movie where they don't use him, unless its done in 2 and 3. But I think one of the Avengers films, with the original cast (they should keep it going past 3 films) should focus on the human element. How do the public see and treat the Avengers and what does their appearance mean for super criminals?
Just like Fury said to Iron Man and in the Avengers, more and more superheroes are popping up. But also more and more super villains. The Avengers movies should deal with the rise in super villains and what would happen if they banded together or if a terrorist organization used them. What if Hydra was hiding this whole time since Captain America's film? Maybe with the Avengers showing up their secret world domination plans are derailed so now they have to deal with the Avengers.

I dunno man, all the movie deals we know of don't seem to specify solo vs team. It's just six movies. I don't think they *can* refuse, and even if they could, just because they don't get a solo movie doesn't mean they would refuse to be a supporting character. How many films is ScarJo contracted for? I didn't think anyone knew that.

Me personally, I also would prefer that BW, Fury and Hawkeye get focus in a SHIELD film, as opposed to just being Cap supporting cast, but I also acknowledge that the most likely outcome is that they will be Cap supporting cast, and I can only hope they get good development and set pieces like the supporting cast in IM2.

Same with Taskmaster, they could do a Masters of Evil type storyline, and all the people on this forum would probably love it, but it doesn't vibe with 'smaller.'

[RockSP]

I also think that the Civil War storyline is a bad fit for the MCU. There are only 7 superheroes currently in existence (counting Rhodey),

Don't know about that. Those 7 are the only ones we've seen so far, but Fury sure has made statements that makes it seem they aren't alone. But either way, I agree that Civil War wouldn't currently work.

[L0ngsh0t]

Civil War is a bad idea if they keep it true to the comics....too many characters are needed...

but I think a few movies down the road they could have elements of the Civil War and merge it with a Skrulls storyline.

Like have the Skrulls kidnapped Tony Stark and replace him with a Skrull (but that isn't revealed till later in the movie) and Stark and Rogers have a big philosphical dispute that pits Avengers vs one another and then they figure the plot out and it works as a backdoor way of introducing the Skrulls to set up a Kree-Skrull storyline

[warhorse78]

After watching some movies over the weekend, Sunshine, 28 Weeks Later and Kick Ass, I realized these movies are up a notch in the quality department, due to awesome scores from John Murphy.

So, I'd love it if Murphy would be given a chance to tackle some amazing themes for The Avengers. Just my two cents.

[Lots o lafs]

Here is how you do it. *Nick fury is looking for new recruits for the avengers 2 and hopefully 3(with all of the cast). . .

WARMACHINE(Rhodes)
At the recommendation of the US government and Tony Stark, war machine is folded into the mix, although his role is mainly as a substitute in case of iron man being MIA. *He has trouble with*conflicting duties between the USA's priorities and that of shield. *In the final fight he is brought into action as a wingman for stark.

ANT-MAN(s)
Ant Man 2 is brought into the mix via Hank pym(ant man 1 who is now a retired superhero and shield scientist). *Scott Lang is antman 2 a contemporary of stark and banner. *I imagine him much like Ian Malcolm of the Jurassic park series. *I think the stealing of the antman suit can be explained that Tony stark believes he plagiarized Pym's work instead of elaborating on it. *In the final battle antman 2 unveils something he has been working on with Pym's help. *He becomes Giant man/goliath.(there also could be subtle hints throughout the film of pym and Lang helping him work on ultron)

SPIDER-MAN
Spiderman is a tough one, but I would love to see disney and Sony work together on this. *It could be a cash cow. *I think it would be hard to incorporate him in just one movie, but it could be done. *The amazing spiderman would have to take place before the incredible hulk and I believe the second spiderman could take place right at the incredible hulk.

I would love for green goblin to be he villain in TAS2 and for the death of gwen Stacy to occur. *This would cause spiderman to think about giving up in the spiderman role. *Which he does at the end symbolized by him burning the spiderman suit.

In an after credits scene you have nick fury talk to him. *It is revealed that the destruction of new York has occurred at the hands of the hulk and abomination. *And nick fury learned the identity of spiderman because Peter began saving people in the aftermath of the damage.

Nick fury knowing that Peter has
Given up his role of spiderman comes to visit Peter. *He gives him his words of sentiment. *Telling him the famous line(with great power). *He says that he will have his eye on him and leaves.

Here comes the avengers 2. *The opening scene some bad stuff happens and they need some guys. *Spiderman was too young the first time around so he was unable to be recruited. *Now he has chosen to join. And he is being trained by cap in combat.


It is a great way to develop the character we love with insecurities and tough choices. *You throw him into the mix with all off these heavy hitters. *They all know how to use their powers and have experience on him. *They all count him out as a rookie. *He has that since of loneliness that I felt was left out in the new film.

Stark counts him out and does not see him as a viable asset at all, but still believes he should be given a chance. *The cap does feel he is a too young and is vocal to fury about it, but he agrees to train him. *He does not want to see someone as young as peter die again.
Banner although morally against having him on the team can relate to the sense of loneliness and peters high intellect. *Banner also could become the person Peter confides in.



These were just some things I was bored and thought up.

[I'm Venom]

I would love for green goblin to be he villain in TAS2 and for the death of gwen Stacy to occur. *This would cause spiderman to think about giving up in the spiderman role. *Which he does at the end symbolized by him burning the spiderman suit.

In an after credits scene you have nick fury talk to him.

*He gives him his words of sentiment. *He says that he will have his eye on him and leaves.

Here comes the avengers 2.

It makes sense:
2013 Iron Man & Thor
2014 Captain America & Spider-Man
2015 Avengers 2

[Cassius]

2 wonderman, ant man, wasp, GOTG, ultron peek
3 dead wondy, vision, ultron war

[Lots o lafs]

Plus I would love to see a civil war storyline develop, but you would have to have a lot of characters for that.

That is why they should start developing more of the lesser known characters.

Also they need to up captain's bad*ssery in the future. Give him speed and have him neutralize people quick. I think a perfect way to showcase cap is to give him slow motion fights where he demolishes.

[BigThor]

^ Not just Cap, I think they need to up Iron Man and Thor's badassery levels as well.

It felt like Thor held back alot in TA and the only time he unleashed was with that big lightning blast, I'd like to see him do some actual heavy lifting as well.

Also I'm tired of IM's suit almost "failing" him in every movie, he also doesn't have many strength feats and I'd like to see a bigger Uni-beam.

[Captain Marvel]

Am I the only one who think CIvil War wouldnt be good for the MCU?

Nope. Civil War was a terrible story, period. I pray to God that it never sees the light of day as a film script.

[OrangeCloud]

Civil War would definitely not translate well onto film, and it wasn't even that great in the comics.

There are so many better story arcs to choose from.

[I'm Venom]

Things I’d like to see...

- Thanos go after Loki in Asgard. Loki was warned not to fail as it would mean his head, and Thanos means to collect. Loki is a prisoner on Asgard, under the watch of not only Thor, but Odin as well. Thanos and his army attacking Asgard would look epic on screen. Seeing a battle between alien soldiers and the sorcery and swords of Asgard would be something not seen on screen before, and if Thanos' forces can defeat Asgard, what hope is there for Earth?

I’d also like to see Thanos kill Odin and utterly stomp Thor and send him crashing to Earth as a warning to The Avengers. Thanos, of course, would obtain the Teseract and start his preparations for the invasion of Earth.

- Hulk vs Thanos. This has to happen. Of course, Hulk will lose, but I want to see an effort here. Thanos wrecking The Avengers in battle, seemingly unstoppable, on the verge of killing one or all of the team, the deathblow imminent, then BOOM! Thanos turns to see Hulk landing like a meteor, coming in for the save and taking on Thanos in a brawl that would make any fight in the first movie look tame in comparison. As I said, Hulk would go down, but he could last long enough to hold Thanos back for the plot-device that ends his threat.

Captain America picks up Thor’s hammer and strikes Thanos, buying time for the others. I’d want more leadup to show how special it is that he can pick it up, as shown by Hulk not being able to lift it. People need to see how worthy Steve Rogers is.

[BigThor]

^ Three things wrong with that

First off Odin is alot more powerful than Thanos and he was spanking him fairly easily when they fought in the comics.

Second, Thanos doesn't ever utterly stomp Thor for the most part Thor always puts up a fight.

Third, if Thanos is able to defeat Odin I'm pretty sure Hulk couldn't engage him a brawl besides Thor always faired the best against Thanos anyway.

[marcvader]

All you need to add is the "So there!", BT.

[I'm Venom]

^ Three things wrong with that

First off Odin is alot more powerful than Thanos and he was spanking him fairly easily when they fought in the comics.

Second, Thanos doesn't ever utterly stomp Thor for the most part Thor always puts up a fight.

Third, if Thanos is able to defeat Odin I'm pretty sure Hulk couldn't engage him a brawl besides Thor always faired the best against Thanos anyway.

Didn't Thanos take on Odin and Thor at the same time and just stand there and take it? Can't name the specific comic right now, but besides, even if Odin were more powerful, Thanos has defeated beings of greater might than himself.

[BigThor]

Didn't Thanos take on Odin and Thor at the same time and just stand there and take it? Can't name the specific comic right now, but besides, even if Odin were more powerful, Thanos has defeated beings of greater might than himself.

....no, Odin was casually smacking Thanos around by himself and all Thanos managed to do was survive.

Odin vs Thanos
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[I'm Venom]

....no, Odin was casually smacking Thanos around by himself and all Thanos managed to do was survive.

Odin vs Thanos
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Well the fight, Thanos just got tired of it, but there was nowhere in the fight where it seemed like he'd lose, and for Thanos to take all of that and get up as if it were nothing shows that his durability is a lot. Odin himself marveled at how powerful Thanos was, and while he might not have used every ounce of his power, Odin tried (and failed) mightily to put Thanos down.

One thing I do hope to see in Avengers 2 is Steve being shown as worthy to weild Mjolnir. There are only a handful of those who are worthy, but is there anyone on Earth more worthy than Steve Rogers? Not likely. Hulk and Loki couldn't lift it... a pinnacle moment would be Steve picking up the hammer to defend his allies if Thor got knocked out.

[BigThor]

Well the fight, Thanos just got tired of it, but there was nowhere in the fight where it seemed like he'd lose, and for Thanos to take all of that and get up as if it were nothing shows that his durability is a lot. Odin himself marveled at how powerful Thanos was, and while he might not have used every ounce of his power, Odin tried (and failed) mightily to put Thanos down.

Everyone always Marvel's at how tough Thanos is in that fight, but clearly Odin wasn't even PHASED by any of Thanos's attacks.

I don't know why comic fans seem to think getting KO'd is the only way to lose, I'm pretty sure Odin caused the most damage, took the least damage, and landed the most attacks.

Odin was clearly shown to be more powerful and is the winner by a landlslide in my opinion. *shrugs*

[I'm Venom]

Everyone always Marvel's at how tough Thanos is in that fight, but clearly Odin wasn't even PHASED by any of Thanos's attacks.

I don't know why comic fans seem to think getting KO'd is the only way to lose, I'm pretty sure Odin caused the most damage, took the least damage, and landed the most attacks.

Odin was clearly shown to be more powerful and is the winner by a landlslide in my opinion. *shrugs*

At the end, Thanos got up and was ready for more. Wasn't a loss, just that Odin had control over the fight.

[BigThor]

At the end, Thanos got up and was ready for more. Wasn't a loss, just that Odin had control over the fight.

In UFC and boxing both opponents are still standing at the end, so the one who had the upperhand for most of the fight is declared the winner.

He can keep getting up as much as he wants, doesn't change the fight that he got his ass kicked and never put down Odin even once.

[I'm Venom]

In UFC and boxing both opponents are still standing at the end, so the one who had the upperhand for most of the fight is declared the winner.

He can keep getting up as much as he wants, doesn't change the fight that he got his ass kicked and never put down Odin even once.

It ended in a standoff. If you consider a standoff a victory, I don’t know what else to say. Marvel stated in a bio it ended in a standoff, which we literally see at the end of the fight.

[jaqua99]

I think a pretty logical progression of the movies would be something like


Cap and Iron Man are pretty grounded movies, no cosmic influence but maybe some subtleties like AIM in Cap who it turns out is a sleeper cell organization who is given tech from another dimension, or something involving the Universal Church of Truth

Thor 2 is kinda the IM2 of "Phase 2" which has a big hand in setting up the events of Avengers 2

Thor 2:
Enchantress and Executioner stage a coup on Asgard to capture Loki and take him across the galaxy cause Thanos has put a huge bounty on his head. Thor begs her if there is any other way and she says if they go and get the Infinity Gem that controlls the dead. The gem is hidden deep inside the Nine Realms and they are going to have to use SWORD to help them find the location of it.
They go on the quest and find the stone, Enchantress uses the stone to raise an army of undead to take over the throne of Asgard, but Thor, Loki and co save the day etc.

Avengers 2:
Star-Lord or Adam Warlock come to Earth and their presence alerts SHIELD, they tell them that because of the events of Thor 2 the once thought of mythic Infinty Gems are now known to be a science instead of just a fable. The Mad-Titan Thanos is storming the galaxy, killing anything in his way to assemble the Gauntlet. The Avengers must go and find the rest of the infinity gems and guard them in Asgard, the best equipped place in the universe to battle a cosmic threat like Thanos, so the Avengers travel the galaxy and find the gems and guard them in Asgard to prepare for a huge war.

However Adam Warlock reveals himself to be a servant of the Lord Titan Thanos (clearly under mind control) and battles the avengers with sleeper cell members of the Universal church of truth. A lone spaceship lands in Asgard and Thanos walks out, revealed in full for the first time--Warlock hands him the Gauntlet, Thanos grins and blasts Warlock with a load of energy saying your services will no longer be needed.

The Avengers are noticabley terrified and they actually flee as Asgard crumbles around them with the flick of Thanos wrist. Odin tells them that he is going to use all the power he can summon and get the Avengers back to Earth....they are the universes last hope, he tells them with the Bifrost still broken it will keep Thanos in Asgard for the time being. He sends Adam Warlock too, then Odin implodes with a white light and all the Avengers appear on Earth, Odin is presumed dead so Thor is broken up. Loki says something like "The All-Father could have sent Thanos and Asgard into the Abyss...it could be years before he comes out." Fury "we'll have to be ready when he does."

there is some brief closer and then credits.

post-credits teaser: Thor goes to kill Warlock when Star-Lord appears and says Warlock is the only chance we have at stopping Thanos

Gaurdians of the Galaxy: kind of a prequel to the events that lead up to Avengers 2, shows the relationship between Thanos and Warlock a little bit....Thanos isn't overtly a bad guy in this, more like Loki in Thor 1

A3: Opening scene is Thanos meeting death as a woman. and then it's basically about the infinity gauntlet and avengers being the only ones who can stop them. Maybe some self sacrficie by Loki who knows

Love Love LOVE this Sam.

Its probably not going to happen like this. But damn this would be great.

[Neo_3]

Wouldn't GotG be before The Avengers 2 at least that what LR says.

Why would Thanos be trapped in Asgard? Thanos came in a spaceship why can't he leave in it?

I really like the stories for the movies.

[BigThor]

It ended in a standoff. If you consider a standoff a victory, I don’t know what else to say. Marvel stated in a bio it ended in a standoff, which we literally see at the end of the fight.

But during the actual fight Odin wasn't hurt by ANY of Thanos' attacks and although Thanos kept getting up Odin's attacks clearly affected him.

Boxing and UFC fights end in stand offs as well, that's when they use the amount of blows landed and fight control to determine the winner.

[Steve]

Wouldn't GotG be before The Avengers 2 at least that what LR says.

Why would Thanos be trapped in Asgard? Thanos came in a spaceship why can't he leave in it?

I really like the stories for the movies.

I think GOTG will be released before then, but i'm not sure how the time frame will work. I hoep they don't through too much 'time travel' into the cinematic verse, but that's seeming more and more likely

[I'm Venom]

But during the actual fight Odin wasn't hurt by ANY of Thanos' attacks and although Thanos kept getting up Odin's attacks clearly affected him.

Boxing and UFC fights end in stand offs as well, that's when they use the amount of blows landed and fight control to determine the winner.

Why was Odin saying he hadn't had a fight like this in ages? Thanos looks completely fresh when he says, "NO!"

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The fight wasn't over, Thanos didn't give up when Odin asked. Show me Thanos begging for Odin to stop. Heck, show me Thanos fearing Odin's power, even though we both know that Thanos showed no pain at all during the fight. All I see is him saying "NO" when asked to surrender, and you call this a win for Odin? To say Thanos lost ignores the scans which show otherwise.

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A fight that got interrupted...that's all it was. Thanos didn't lose.

[jaqua99]

Things I’d like to see...

- Thanos go after Loki in Asgard. Loki was warned not to fail as it would mean his head, and Thanos means to collect. Loki is a prisoner on Asgard, under the watch of not only Thor, but Odin as well. Thanos and his army attacking Asgard would look epic on screen. Seeing a battle between alien soldiers and the sorcery and swords of Asgard would be something not seen on screen before, and if Thanos' forces can defeat Asgard, what hope is there for Earth?

I’d also like to see Thanos kill Odin and utterly stomp Thor and send him crashing to Earth as a warning to The Avengers. Thanos, of course, would obtain the Teseract and start his preparations for the invasion of Earth.

- Hulk vs Thanos. This has to happen. Of course, Hulk will lose, but I want to see an effort here. Thanos wrecking The Avengers in battle, seemingly unstoppable, on the verge of killing one or all of the team, the deathblow imminent, then BOOM! Thanos turns to see Hulk landing like a meteor, coming in for the save and taking on Thanos in a brawl that would make any fight in the first movie look tame in comparison. As I said, Hulk would go down, but he could last long enough to hold Thanos back for the plot-device that ends his threat.

- Captain America picks up Thor’s hammer and strikes Thanos, buying time for the others. I’d want more leadup to show how special it is that he can pick it up, as shown by Hulk not being able to lift it. People need to see how worthy Steve Rogers is.


As to your and BigThor's debate, I will get onto that.

But first answer me this.

Why, did I see this EXACT post, on another forum on another website? You on a different forum? I mean this word for word what I saw on another forum haha.

Though I would like to see Thanos fight Hulk.

But in all honesty, I don't think Hulk can go toe to toe in a brawl against Thanos

^ Three things wrong with that

First off Odin is alot more powerful than Thanos and he was spanking him fairly easily when they fought in the comics.

Second, Thanos doesn't ever utterly stomp Thor for the most part Thor always puts up a fight.

Third, if Thanos is able to defeat Odin I'm pretty sure Hulk couldn't engage him a brawl besides Thor always faired the best against Thanos anyway.

1. Still wouldn't consider it spanking, my standards for a spanking are that the loser is clearly in pain, and not JUST getting smacked around. and to me it wouldn't necessarily be a spanking since Thanos kept throwing taunts, and didn't seem to be getting hurt too bad considering his mannerisms.

To be the best way to put it, is that he, literally TOOK a beating.

2. Thor has beaten Thanos before. Though generally I'd say Thanos > Thor.

Thanos taking hits from WM Thor, with the power gem, and smiling, and also getting in some good shots himself, and then leaving cause he was "bored" was big.

3. I'm with you, if anyone in reason should go 1v1 with Thanos, it should be Thor.

Odin>>>>Thanos>>Thor>>>Hulk

Didn't Thanos take on Odin and Thor at the same time and just stand there and take it? Can't name the specific comic right now, but besides, even if Odin were more powerful, Thanos has defeated beings of greater might than himself.

Never Happened. and not if, Odin IS far more powerful

....no, Odin was casually smacking Thanos around by himself and all Thanos managed to do was survive.

Odin vs Thanos
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Don't know why I quoted this, don't feel like delete in the right spots haha

Everyone always Marvel's at how tough Thanos is in that fight, but clearly Odin wasn't even PHASED by any of Thanos's attacks.

I don't know why comic fans seem to think getting KO'd is the only way to lose, I'm pretty sure Odin caused the most damage, took the least damage, and landed the most attacks.

Odin was clearly shown to be more powerful and is the winner by a landlslide in my opinion. *shrugs*

He is more powerful. It was a fight he was winning, and sure he won. Odin has a lot more to give to Thanos, a LOT more. Thanos did not. But in that fight, given the circumstance, and Thanos saying that he's not impressed, and how he kept getting up and throwing taunts, I think is a great durability feat on his part.



Why was Odin saying he hadn't had a fight like this in ages? Thanos looks completely fresh when he says, "NO!"

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/53031/1017185-warlock_25_34_super.jpg

The fight wasn't over, Thanos didn't give up when Odin asked. Show me Thanos begging for Odin to stop. Heck, show me Thanos fearing Odin's power, even though we both know that Thanos showed no pain at all during the fight. All I see is him saying "NO" when asked to surrender, and you call this a win for Odin? To say Thanos lost ignores the scans which show otherwise.

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A fight that got interrupted...that's all it was. Thanos didn't lose.

Thanos didn't win either. He was losing the fight clearly, definitively, but he was not really phased either, not to the point where it seemed he was going down soon. Like I said, the only thing this fight shows to me, is Thanos durability, and how he can take shots, even if weak, from Odin

[I'm Venom]

As to your and BigThor's debate, I will get onto that.

But first answer me this.

Why, did I see this EXACT post, on another forum on another website? You on a different forum? I mean this word for word what I saw on another forum haha.

Yeah, I also post on CBM. Just thought if I posted my wishlist in enough forums it might come true. :awesome:

However, I just noticed that I accidentally didn't quote Donnie Darko's post about Cap picking up Thor's hammer. Although I want to see that happen on screen too, it was actually his post that I meant to quote.

[BigThor]

Why was Odin saying he hadn't had a fight like this in ages? Thanos looks completely fresh when he says, "NO!"

The fight wasn't over, Thanos didn't give up when Odin asked. Show me Thanos begging for Odin to stop. Heck, show me Thanos fearing Odin's power, even though we both know that Thanos showed no pain at all during the fight. All I see is him saying "NO" when asked to surrender, and you call this a win for Odin? To say Thanos lost ignores the scans which show otherwise.

A fight that got interrupted...that's all it was. Thanos didn't lose.

Okay I see you're not going t be reasonable about this, I'm pretty sure Thanos was struggling to get up right before he said "no". You can see the "wobbly" lines around him as he's standing up, I don't care what he "said" it was clear that Odin's attacks hurt him.

Just because he didn't yield and was talking **** does't mean he didn't get outclassed, I see you keep ignoring my points about boxers not always having to KO someone to win.

1. Still wouldn't consider it spanking, my standards for a spanking are that the loser is clearly in pain, and not JUST getting smacked around. and to me it wouldn't necessarily be a spanking since Thanos kept throwing taunts, and didn't seem to be getting hurt too bad considering his mannerisms.

Thanos didn't win either. He was losing the fight clearly, definitively, but he was not really phased either, not to the point where it seemed he was going down soon. Like I said, the only thing this fight shows to me, is Thanos durability, and how he can take shots, even if weak, from Odin

Some people talking **** and taunt to cover up the fact that they are losing, talk is cheap especially when he was being outclassed and struggling to stand up at the end.

He was clearly phased, probably not to the point of being put down but he was definate hurt. Thanos' taunts are not a big deal, he's a villain that's what they do and not only that it's in his character not to show fear even if he's losing.

[jaqua99]

Okay I see you're not going t be reasonable about this, I'm pretty sure Thanos was struggling to get up right before he said "no". You can see the "wobbly" lines around him as he's standing up, I don't care what he "said" it was clear that Odin's attacks hurt him.

Just because he didn't yield and was talking **** does't mean he didn't get outclassed, I see you keep ignoring my points about boxers not always having to KO someone to win.



Some people talking **** and taunt to cover up the fact that they are losing, talk is cheap especially when he was being outclassed and struggling to stand up at the end.

He was clearly phased, probably not to the point of being put down but he was definate hurt. Thanos' taunts are not a big deal, he's a villain that's what they do and not only that it's in his character not to show fear even if he's losing.

He was losing for sure. There is no doubt about it. He was out classed. Completely. He struggled to get up, but he was still in fighting shape the whole time. Walking through Odin's blast to grab the scepter (then to get blasted away again LOL). He was phased, but I wouldn't say enough to say that he was getting smacked around. From what I recall, I have the comic right here on my computer, I can look at it in a sec, the only time where he struggled to get up was at the end, Odin asked him if he yields, he struggles to get up, he says no. Odin looks surprised. Then the fight ends, and is proven pointless.

Odin is way above Thanos. There's no arguing that.

I personally think Odin was holding back, because he CAN lay the smack down on Thanos, and CAN knock him out in that many panels. But didn't.

It only makes sense. Just cause you may be a little hurt, doesn't mean you are not in fighting shape. Odin could have, and probably should have done more damage to Thanos. But the attacks he took from Odin, he was basically able to take. Enough to phase him, and hurt him, but not enough to really put him out of fighting shape.

Which is in my eyes, I'll describe it as this.

Odin was clearly the superior and Thanos didn't have anything that could hurt him.

Opposed to Odin smacked Thanos around.

You could say the same thing about the Ironman and Thor fight in the movie using that logic. Ironman, blasted Thor away, threw him, flew him in the air, and into a mountain (although, Thor did fight back, and was shown as a superior, so it might be different)/


BUT, in your response BigThor, don't even rebuttal what I have to say here.. haha because you are my favorite poster here I'd say, and to be flat out honest, it feels weird to be having a discussion of disagreement with you, we basically have agreed on everything when it comes to debates and discussions, but this is different, and I don't like it, and I don't want to disagree with you :( hahaha

[jaqua99]

Yeah, I also post on CBM. Just thought if I posted my wishlist in enough forums it might come true. :awesome:

However, I just noticed that I accidentally didn't quote Donnie Darko's post about Cap picking up Thor's hammer. Although I want to see that happen on screen too, it was actually his post that I meant to quote.

haha okay. I thought I saw that somewhere.

And I would LOVE to see cap pick up the hammer. It should happen

[The Spidey-Man]

Bring on Spider-Man! but not as an avengers member.

[Rock Sexton]

Well the fight, Thanos just got tired of it, but there was nowhere in the fight where it seemed like he'd lose, and for Thanos to take all of that and get up as if it were nothing shows that his durability is a lot. Odin himself marveled at how powerful Thanos was, and while he might not have used every ounce of his power, Odin tried (and failed) mightily to put Thanos down.

One thing I do hope to see in Avengers 2 is Steve being shown as worthy to weild Mjolnir. There are only a handful of those who are worthy, but is there anyone on Earth more worthy than Steve Rogers? Not likely. Hulk and Loki couldn't lift it... a pinnacle moment would be Steve picking up the hammer to defend his allies if Thor got knocked out.

I absolutely NEVER want to see that on screen. Keep the legendary weapons to the guys they belong to.

[BigThor]

I absolutely NEVER want to see that on screen. Keep the legendary weapons to the guys they belong to.

Thank GOD I'm not the only one who feels this way! :up:

[I'm Venom]

Bring on Spider-Man! but not as an avengers member.

Isn’t it getting a bit fanwanky to think that they should stick Spider-Man in there too? What would it bring to the table that the Avengers is dependent on Spider-Man for? Adding Spider-Man is only going to make it more difficult to introduce anything new, and they aren’t going to be able to give Spider-Man the amount of attention he’d get in his own films. It can harm the film.

The sequel should consist of Thanos overcoming the Avengers, leaving the earth in a state of darkness, and maybe Avengers 3 could have Red Skull, The Leader, and The Mandarin team up.

[BigThor]

Isn’t it getting a bit fanwanky to think that they should stick Spider-Man in there too? What would it bring to the table that the Avengers is dependent on Spider-Man for? Adding Spider-Man is only going to make it more difficult to introduce anything new, and they aren’t going to be able to give Spider-Man the amount of attention he’d get in his own films. It can harm the film.

The sequel should consist of Thanos overcoming the Avengers, leaving the earth in a state of darkness, and maybe Avengers 3 could have Red Skull, The Leader, and The Mandarin team up.

So you just want them forget about Thanos in the third film?

[Artistsean]

Should the Avengers face Thanos? Or should Thanos be used in the Guardians of the Galaxy and leave him out of the Avengers, leave them to other bad guys like Ultron and Kang?
So at the end of the Avengers we get a glimpse at Thanos, who as it turns out was behind the whole Loki invasion idea. So should the Avengers have to face him in a later film, or would you be OK with the Avengers never facing him, and in fact him not even in another Avengers film at all. Instead should he be used in the Guardians of the Galaxy films instead? Or would it be too jarring to have him not used in another Avengers, a follow up or conclusion?
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[I'm Venom]

Bring on Thanos! It should take two movies to defeat a villain like him. Sounds plausible and fits with Joss' idea.

[Lady Marion]

I hope they'll bring Thanos in the third film. Would be a shame if not.

[I'm Venom]

If he turns up in Avengers 2, who says they stop him?

[Blackman]

Thanos appears in GOTG
Then shows up in Avengers 2, where the team momentarily defeats him or stops him at least
Then he's finally defeated for good in Avengers 3

...that's how I'd do it

[I'm Venom]

Another possibility could be The Leader, seeing as there was a nod to him toward the end of The Incredible Hulk. Come up with a plot where The Leader begins working with some of Stark's enemies and the remnants of HYDRA and starts spreading radiation throughout the planet to bring SHIELD to their knees.

[Samuel Jackson]

More screen time for yours truly.

[psylockolussus]

Bring on Thanos! It should take two movies to defeat a villain like him. Sounds plausible and fits with Joss' idea.

If you mean two movies like Guardians of the Galaxy and The Avengers 2 then yes. But if Avengers 2 and Avengers 3, then no.

[BatsDC]

Hank Pym's recent robotic creation Ultron turns against his creator, breaking out of Pym's lab, claiming he will wipe out the human race in an attempt to create a better world. Pym contacts Nick Fury, who re-activates the Avengers Intiative.

Ultron distracts the Avengers by luring the alive supervillains together, forming a temproary alliance - (Masters of Evil) who then fight them. IN the mean time Ultron breaks into the Helicarrier and uses Phil Coulsons body from the mourge to create a Human-Cyborg, his 'Vision' of the perfect human.

The Avengers return after the battle to find many SHIELD agents dead, Vision and Ultron being the cause. Ulytron reveals his plan to wipe out the human race by hacking into every network in the world, and firing America's nuclear missiles, which would then start a nuclear war. The Masters of Evil come back to attempt to again defeat the Avengers, meanwhile Ultron activates his master plan. Pym escapes the battle and goes to stop Ultron, but Vision attacks him. Pym tries reasoning with Vision, reminding him that he used to be human. Vision's human side then starts taking over, and he turns on his creator, and beats him down (ala Hulk and Loki), and Pym stops the nuclear missiles. The rest of the team defeat the Masters of Evil, however critically damaging the Helicarrier. Iron Man, Thor and Vision catch the ship before it hits New York, and fly it back to the Ocean, placing it down in the sea.

Fury thanks the heroes and forgives Pym for creating Ultron, as he eventually solved the problem. Fury decides to keep Vision with SHIELD, and the team once again say their goodbyes. At the end of the film as Fury is observing the remaining SHIELD agents clean up the ship, he turns to see Star-Lord, who warns Fury that Thanos plans to destroy Earth, and that they should prepare for all out war. Fury smiles, "We're always prepared." Star-Lord responds, "Not for this." and leaves.

The after credits could be Thanos preparing to invade Earth, with the Other filling him in on what happened on Earth.

[Lorus]

I'm clearly in the minority on this issue, but I'd much rather leave Thanos to the Guardians, if they want him for multiple films then they should keep him in that particular film series. I would really like to see the smaller, more intimate sequel that Whedon spoke about earlier. Now that all the characters and pieces have been established so well, it would great to see every individual member of the team go throw some personal harrowing trial. The Ultron = personal idea has always irked me a tad because it's only really an intimate problem for Pym, it doesn't really twist the knife in Black Widow or Thor.

[I'm Venom]

Thor 2 needs cameo of Thanos, but the movie shouldn't revolve around him. Thanos fighting should be saved for Avengers 2. Build him up, manipulating to get his hands on the gauntlet.

[kaijunexus]

Wonder if we'll see something like this...

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[BigThor]

Nah, that would be waaaaay too many characters in one film.

[Captain Marvel]

Thor 2 needs cameo of Thanos, but the movie shouldn't revolve around him. Thanos fighting should be saved for Avengers 2. Build him up, manipulating to get his hands on the gauntlet.

Nah, Thanos should be saved for Avengers 3. How can you possibly do him and the Infinity Gauntlet justice by Avengers 2?

[BigThor]

Nah, Thanos should be saved for Avengers 3. How can you possibly do him and the Infinity Gauntlet justice by Avengers 2?

I'm with you on this, Avengers 2 is just too soon for Thanos plus the team needs more super powered members.

[Captain Marvel]

Thanos appears in GOTG
Then shows up in Avengers 2, where the team momentarily defeats him or stops him at least
Then he's finally defeated for good in Avengers 3

...that's how I'd do it

That doesn't really build him up as much of a threat, though, if they beat him in the second. If he were the main villain then it'd have to be an Empire Strikes Back ending where the heroes are reeling from a defeat, not celebrating a victory. Either that or Thanos isn't the main villain, but operating behind the scenes while the Avengers square off against another villain (Like Ultron). IMO it should go like this...

Thor: The Dark World - While Thor and his friends are off fighting Malekith, Kurse, and whoever else, Thanos uses his ability to access the Tesseract from afar to break into Odin's vault. He faces off against Odin and, with the Tesseract, manages to defeat him. He then escapes with the Tesseract (which I believe contains two Infinity Gems, the Power Gem and Space Gem), the scepter which he lent Loki, which likely contains the Mind Gem, and a fourth gem hidden in Odin's vault (maybe the Time Gem).

Guardians of the Galaxy - Thanos allies himself with the Guardians to defeat the Universal Church of Truth. He's opposed to them not only because they're Champions of Life, while he's a Champion of Death, but also because they're in possession of the Soul Gem. So over the course of the battle he surreptitiously takes off with the Soul Gem without the Guardians being any the wiser.

Guardians of the Galaxy 2/Avengers 2 - Thanos finds the Reality Gem in either one of these (Makes more sense in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 while the Avengers deal with some other villain, like Ultron).

Avengers 3 - The Infinity Gauntlet.

[catintheengine]

I think a lot of people are taking Whedon's comments about making it "smaller and more intimate" to the extreme.

The Avengers basically served as an origin story: Yes, we knew these characters already, but the film served as an introduction to the idea of this team.

I fully expect to see The Avengers 2 develop the relationships between these characters further. I think we will see a character-driven story this time around, rather than a full blown action piece like the first movie (though, to be fair, the first was not slouching in the character department either).

I'm with the camp of people hoping for Thanos to be the big baddie at the end of the trilogy (assuming we get three movies), though Marvel isn't foolish enough to give us that tasty little teaser during the credits on the first one and not show him again until the third.

I'd be surprised if he doesn't make SOME sort of appearance in Guardians of the Galaxy, and I'd be absolutely shocked if he wasn't at least mentioned in The Avengers 2.

However, I really don't think they will be using Thanos as a Guardians villain, at least not as the primary antagonist.

[Blackman]

That doesn't really build him up as much of a threat, though, if they beat him in the second. If he were the main villain then it'd have to be an Empire Strikes Back ending where the heroes are reeling from a defeat, not celebrating a victory. Either that or Thanos isn't the main villain, but operating behind the scenes while the Avengers square off against another villain (Like Ultron).

I disagree.
You can have him be defeated and still be a major threat. Someone on one of the boards said the idea of having him trapped in Asgard by the end of TA2. While I dont think Asgard is the best option. Having Thanos trapped in another realm is fine. They could still have him smacking around the team and get trapped in the end.
I'm fine with him being a background villain too

And I seriously doubt, or at least will be very surprised, if he has a battle with Odin in Thor 2

[I'm Venom]

Since Thanos provided Loki with the army to take over Earth, he'll be showing up in Asgard to kill Loki, right? I would assume so because the Other mentioned an oath Loki made if he were to fail.

[sauronthegreat]

Hank Pym's recent robotic creation Ultron turns against his creator, breaking out of Pym's lab, claiming he will wipe out the human race in an attempt to create a better world. Pym contacts Nick Fury, who re-activates the Avengers Intiative.

Ultron distracts the Avengers by luring the alive supervillains together, forming a temproary alliance - (Masters of Evil) who then fight them. IN the mean time Ultron breaks into the Helicarrier and uses Phil Coulsons body from the mourge to create a Human-Cyborg, his 'Vision' of the perfect human.

The Avengers return after the battle to find many SHIELD agents dead, Vision and Ultron being the cause. Ulytron reveals his plan to wipe out the human race by hacking into every network in the world, and firing America's nuclear missiles, which would then start a nuclear war. The Masters of Evil come back to attempt to again defeat the Avengers, meanwhile Ultron activates his master plan. Pym escapes the battle and goes to stop Ultron, but Vision attacks him. Pym tries reasoning with Vision, reminding him that he used to be human. Vision's human side then starts taking over, and he turns on his creator, and beats him down (ala Hulk and Loki), and Pym stops the nuclear missiles. The rest of the team defeat the Masters of Evil, however critically damaging the Helicarrier. Iron Man, Thor and Vision catch the ship before it hits New York, and fly it back to the Ocean, placing it down in the sea.

Fury thanks the heroes and forgives Pym for creating Ultron, as he eventually solved the problem. Fury decides to keep Vision with SHIELD, and the team once again say their goodbyes. At the end of the film as Fury is observing the remaining SHIELD agents clean up the ship, he turns to see Star-Lord, who warns Fury that Thanos plans to destroy Earth, and that they should prepare for all out war. Fury smiles, "We're always prepared." Star-Lord responds, "Not for this." and leaves.

The after credits could be Thanos preparing to invade Earth, with the Other filling him in on what happened on Earth.

Definitely a story I would like for Avengers 2!

[pr0xyt0xin]

Avengers 2 will be what it is. The current roster + Ant-man/Wasp VS Thanos.

But now how about a Marvel Civil War theme for Avengers 3? So the Phase 3 movie lineup goes like this (by seemingly popular demand):

Captain America 3
Doctor Strange
Ant-Man 2
Thor 3
Black Panther

Avengers 3 (Marvel Civil War)

And then, as accurate to the comics as possible:

Pro-Registration
Iron Man
War Machine
Thor
Black Widow
Wasp (likely to star in Ant-Man film)
The Falcon (confirmed for Captain America 2)
Spider-Man? (cameo)
Maria Hill

Anti-Registration
Captain America
Winter Soldier (confirmed for Captain America 2)
Hulk
Hawkeye
Ant-Man
Black Panther
Doctor Strange
Nick Fury

Culminating in the death of Steve Rogers. By which time, Tony Stark sees and recognizes his mistakes and proposes that Bucky Barnes (winter soldier) takes on the mantle of Captain America for future films.

Also there could very well be other lesser heroes across phase 2 and 3 only serving to make this Civil War themed crossover more epic.

[Chewy]

Sounds like the perfect way to desecrate the franchise

[KangConquers]

Lol Ant-Man 2. Couldn't get passed that.

[Lord]

I think Avengers 2 should have Ultron as the main baddy, Thanos could be in the shadows or even show up to beat the Avengers up. Thanos should be left as main villain for Avengers 3, and by then i would hope they had Black Panther and Captain Marvel films ready.

[TheHeatKitchen]

Can we first all agree that there will only be one Ant Man movie and one GOTG movie? to push those too far would be a HUGE mistake. The characters are interesting, but they can't carry a movie SERIES.

As far as I'm concerned, Ant Man should be an origin story that leads into him as a support role in the Avengers series, and GOTG should tie into the Avengers series, but the characters, with the possible exception of Thanos, are limited to THIS film, and that's all.

[Lord]

Kind of agree with that, yeah.

[Chewy]

There will be more than one Guardians movie. I'm pretty positive of that

Ant-Man, probably just the one

[KangConquers]

There will be more than one Guardians movie. I'm pretty positive of that

Ant-Man, probably just the one

I assume all MCU actors are signed up for 4-6 films or whatever. They'll probably option Pym for five films, but only use 3 of the options (Eponymous film, Avengers 2-3).


The Guardians on the other hand, will probably see 5 or so films. I imagine they're hoping for a trilogy, and plan on having at least some of the characters appear in Avengers sequels and The Inhumans film.

[I'm Venom]

Bring on Thanos! It should take two movies to defeat a villain like him.

[Chewy]

One on Earth, where the Avengers are roundly defeated, and one in space sounds about right.

[pr0xyt0xin]

Sounds like the perfect way to desecrate the franchise

go on

[pr0xyt0xin]

There will be more than one Guardians movie. I'm pretty positive of that

Ant-Man, probably just the one

In this case, fine.

Then substitute Iron Man 4, Incredible Hulk 2, Nick Fury, Luke Cage... doesnt really matter, I feel like the Civil War concept would blow minds. For better or worse.

[Lord]

I'm one of those that liked civil war and would like to one day see something similar on film, but not in this decade, MCU doesn't have any character with a secret identity, they need to make their universe more crowded, release some movies with superheroes that actually have a secret identity and maybe even try TV too to bring some of those characters.

[pr0xyt0xin]

This is a very good point. I actually hadn't thought of that.

On another note, I do have a sneaking suspicion they may be inching toward the death of Cap in some way or another. Think they'd ever do it in a non-Civil War setting?

[Chewy]

go on
Civil War as a storyline failed in almost every way. It effectively turned the guy who is the star of this franchise into a full blown villain, and it relegated a lot of characters who would realistically have a ton of mixed emotions on the situation into the role of mindless troops.

Plus ending a trilogy that is based around the building of comaraderie between disparate superheroes with an overstuffed brawl between said superheroes is an awful idea on the face of it.

[pr0xyt0xin]

Well the funny thing is. I actually agree with everything you just said.

I would hope that Marvel could learn from the outcry of their fans and buff out the dents in the concept. Namely Iron Man being responsible for certain *ahem* atrocities.

I agree that ending the trilogy with Civil War would put a damper on the series. But even if they insist on stopping at 3 Avengers films, I could see the characters powering through and growing from this and becoming an even closer-knit team. If they could pull it off that way.

[Coca Cola Duracell Franklin.]

"I am Ultimo! Rejoice!"

[Blackman]

Has Korvac been brought up?
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh129/kcekada/Avengers/korvac.jpg
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Personally I'd rather see Thanos or Kang and i dont really wanna see GOTG/Avengers team up, but I just thought of Korvac since GOTG is getting made and didnt the Guardians travel to Earth to fight korvac and teamed up with The Avengers?

Just an idea

[I'm Venom]

They can have Wolverine as a cameo and do what he did in X-Men: First Class.

[BigThor]

One on Earth, where the Avengers are roundly defeated, and one in space sounds about right.

That sounds awesome, too bad I'm still holding out hope for Ultron and no I can't be talked out of it. :woot:

[BatsDC]

I really hope it's Ultron in A2, and Thanos is teased, but more strongly, possibly getting the Infinity Gauntlet, to be ready for Avengers 3.

[I'm Venom]

I imagine the Mad Titan will continue to be teased in the films, culminating with him showing up in all his glory in Avengers 2.

Go with quantity in Avengers 3 and bring back a mess of villains as the Masters of Evil. Abomination, Enchantress & Executioner (assuming they've been introduced by then), etc... Make it a slugfest. Especially since by that time, it would be a progression for the villains to try teaming up to counter them.

[TheHeatKitchen]

For those talking Civil War, that's too deep of a story line to end the trilogy on. Too many things stem from that. You would almost have to plan a 4 fil series with the civil war taking place over the final three and being resolved in the final film as they all team back up to fight a common for, i.e. thanos. but that's a bit much in my opinion. Not to mention you would have too many characters thrown in. That story would make a GREAT animated trilogy, but not live action.

Again, just my opinion.

[I'm Venom]

I could see them rehashing the storyline to an extent.

[BigThor]

I really hope it's Ultron in A2, and Thanos is teased, but more strongly, possibly getting the Infinity Gauntlet, to be ready for Avengers 3.

Hell yeah :up:

[Rock Sexton]

They can have Wolverine as a cameo and do what he did in X-Men: First Class.

http://i.imgur.com/5bA0W.png


I could see them rehashing the storyline to an extent.

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[TacomaTruck90]

I don't see Kang making much sense after the first Avengers movies, as cool as he is specially in EMH his idea is ruled after Loki and aliens, I dont see Ultron as villian for A2 yet because him or concept has not even come up remotely I might change my opinion as we get more information about phase II, most logical seems like Thanos just because he was brought up in the end of first film and will be featured in GOG which is to lead into Avengers II..with them wanting to be more cosmic this time seems like the logical choice and as of phase III that's atleast 3-5 years away and with no information on phase II what happens in III is up in the air I'd suppose

[I'm Venom]

I really hope it's Ultron in A2, and Thanos is teased, but more strongly, possibly getting the Infinity Gauntlet, to be ready for Avengers 3.

Ultron wouldn't excite the audience nearly as much as fanboys. He's got the same problem Punisher does; being unique in comic books, but trite in films.

[cherokeesam]

I don't see Kang making much sense after the first Avengers movies, as cool as he is specially in EMH his idea is ruled after Loki and aliens, I dont see Ultron as villian for A2 yet because him or concept has not even come up remotely I might change my opinion as we get more information about phase II, most logical seems like Thanos just because he was brought up in the end of first film and will be featured in GOG which is to lead into Avengers II..with them wanting to be more cosmic this time seems like the logical choice and as of phase III that's atleast 3-5 years away and with no information on phase II what happens in III is up in the air I'd suppose

Why would you rule Kang out after Loki and the Chitauri? There is a big, BIG difference between invaders from space and invaders from the future. Time travel =/= space travel

[I'm Venom]

Do you think this is the last we see of Loki? I mean, was this his second and last time as the villain? At least, I hope it’s not.

[pr0xyt0xin]

I guarantee Loki will continue plotting throughout the Thor sequels. But I'd bet its his last hurrah as an "Avengers villain."

[Lots o lafs]

I think a civil war film could work nicely, but I think a better idea would be to adapt multiple story lines. Split the movie up into two movies like Harry potter or twilight. *Take place after thanos in avengers 2.

Part 1 would revolve around around the civil war storyline. *Hank Pym creating ultron as a replacement for superheroes.

Part 2 would be about after captain is shot, a whos who of villains, form an alliance to take out the avengers. Bring back red skull, Loki, some others.

[babykhris]

I really can't see the fascination with the Civil War story. How would it work out? Would you create the New Warriors in the MCU only to murder them? Can we use Nitro (nope he's at FOX).

Do we have enough characters to do it correctly? There's ONLY 7 superheroes in the MCU (6 Avengers and War Machine). Let's be generous and say they debut 6-10 by Avengers 2 (Ant Man, Falcon, Valkyrie, Wasp, Nova, Dr. Strange, Black Panther and New Warriors), who plays the Spider Man part? Would Valkyrie, Thor, Nova or Panther even care about this??

Do you ruin Captain America and Iron Man. Two of ya top franchises? Hell no. Civil War may happen. That's why we have Marvel animated features. Avengers is a franchise and it's job is to sell toys and killing off heroes aint gonna help that. You want heroes killing each other watch Watchmen.

Avengers 2 should be about the formation of the Thunderbolts (no way they will call them the Masters of Evil).