What do you want out of Spider-man 4???

[TheWrathOfGod]

I noticed that there wasn’t an all-purpose thread for what the fans want from a fourth Spider-man film. What would you like to see, what needs to be avoided?

Personally I think the franchise is hanging by a thread (pun intended) and I don’t see the creative motivation for making another film. Spider-man 3 should have taught us that studio greed ruins motion pictures. But since this project is already underway I have a few suggestions…

Don’t feel the need to make Spider-man “dark” or “edgy” just because of the success of The Dark Knight. A developed storyline is much more important. Spider-man isn’t Batman.

Avoid calling it “Spider-man 4.” This film should be a new beginning for the franchise and it should have a refreshing title. Call it “The Amazing Spider-man”, or just have a Spider-man symbol for the title.

Change the suit to match the comics. Add some webbing under the arms! No more gore-tex!

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This story should take place later on in Spider-man’s career. The public should hate him and Peter Parker should be over his head in trouble. Seeing Peter as a science teacher would be great.

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Forget MJ, have her move to California. Let Peter Parker mature on his own and find a new love interest.

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Focus on Peter Parker’s story, not on the villains.

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Find a good reason to make this movie other than the money!!! Raimi needs to go back and rediscover what he loves about the character. Once he does this the story should simply fall into place.

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[TheWrathOfGod]

Some rock music would also be great...:woot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiJRaLeeWxY

[Adrian89]

Don’t feel the need to make Spider-man “dark” or “edgy” just because of the success of The Dark Knight. A developed storyline is much more important. Spider-man isn’t Batman.
I doubt SM will go in that direction. Like you said, it's not Batman.

Just because SM3 was dark, it doesn't mean all SM Movies will be dark from now on.. :whatever:

Avoid calling it “Spider-man 4.” This film should be a new beginning for the franchise and it should have a refreshing title. Call it “The Amazing Spider-man”, or just have a Spider-man symbol for the title.
Seriously? Come on.

Change the suit to match the comics. Add some webbing under the arms! No more gore-tex!
That will suck.

[TheWrathOfGod]

Just because SM3 was dark, it doesn't mean all SM Movies will be dark from now on.. :whatever:

You actually believe that SM3 is dark? 139 minutes of people crying is SO edgy...please. :whatever:

And the red white and blue gore-tex needs to go, sorry. A nerdy college student from queens isn't going to have a suit like that. Give Spider-man some dignity back, get rid of the wet suit.

You really think people want to go see "SPIDER-MAN 4", the sequel to Spider-man 3? Raimi and Sony need cut off all ties to that abomination. The Amazing Spider-man is a fine title.

[Project862006]

^ compare it too 1 and 2 it was pretty dark

[TheWrathOfGod]

^ compare it too 1 and 2 it was pretty dark

How so? These movies are aimed at children...

[LightningFlash]

I want Sam Raimi out of Spider-Man 4.

And Tobey and Kirsten.

[TheWrathOfGod]

I want Sam Raimi out of Spider-Man 4.

And Tobey and Kirsten.

Very understandable. Raimi is better off doing three stooges laden horror.

[LightningFlash]

Drag Me To Hell looks like ****.

No wonder Ellen Page left the project.

[TheWrathOfGod]

Drag Me To Hell looks like ****.

No wonder Ellen Page left the project.

That's because it's PG-13 and has the Apple kid in it.

[LightningFlash]

They could've made it work with PG-13 though.

Take Eric Kripke as an example...he's a superb genius; he can make the TV series Supernatural scary as hell and not be so gory.

[GoldGoblin]

What To Avoid:
-Having Peter's face being seen when he is in the spidey costume.
-MJ,do not focus the whole movie on her,have her leave town to pursue acting.
-Don't reveal spidey's identity to the villains.
-Don't make up villains (New Goblin).
-Don't give a backstory to every villain,just have them show up,(like the Joker did).
-No long boring Aunt May stories,or speeches.
-Don't have characters be in the movie unless they have good character development.
-Don't connect the villains to Peter,they will be connected when Peter faces them as spider-man(Like Batman did with Joker).
-No cheesy scenes (JJ in the spidey costume for example).
-No damsel in distress for the final battle,spidey will have to face the villain anyway since he will be the only one who could stop them.

What To Do:
-More spidey jokes when he is fighting the villains.
-wall crawling.
-longer fight scenes.
-More spidey.
-Final web swing after the movie.
-New fight locations.(Inside a movie theater,on college campus,in the Daily Bugle,the sewers,freeway,steel mill,a mall,in a prison,etc).
-More JJ.
-More ways to show how smart Peter is.
-Spidey taking on more thugs.
-Web zipping.
-An opening scene of spidey fighting a classic villain,like Shocker.

[UltimateJustin]

I think I speak for everyone when I say I want this movie to have Daredevil in it, and not Spider-Man.

[Superhero 101]

This movie needs more action ditch the love crap. Give the audience what they want a nice battle with no silly reporters nararrating the damn fight.

[mjbull23]

I think Gold Goblins list touches on everything I'd like to see and not see, I would really only add one more item to things I'd like to see list

1. - Continue with the short, but humorous interludes throughout the flow of the movies as he has in the first three films.

Example:

Spiderman 1 - Peter's web getting stuck on the food tray in the cafeteria and then nailing MJ's boyfriend in the back of the head. Or even when he is first learning to webswing and then plants his face into the brickwall.

Spiderman 2 - The Pizza slice being snagged away from the guy on the apartment balcony as he is about to bite into it, or howabout the elevator scene where the tenant engages Peter in conversation about the cool spidey costume.

Spiderman 3 - Tried to inject comedic moments into the storyline, but they came off as forced and didn't work as effectively as they did in the first two films.

When they cutaway to JJJ asking the kid for a camera, right in the middle of the climactic showdown? That was completely unecessary and it felt forced.

[bulletbillx]

I want an unsympathetic villain. I know Raimi can do it too since he created the Deadites, Durant, and Evil Ash.

[SpaceWay2009]

I think Gold Goblins list touches on everything I'd like to see and not see, I would really only add one more item to things I'd like to see list

1. - Continue with the short, but humorous interludes throughout the flow of the movies as he has in the first three films.

Example:

Spiderman 1 - Peter's web getting stuck on the food tray in the cafeteria and then nailing MJ's boyfriend in the back of the head. Or even when he is first learning to webswing and then plants his face into the brickwall.

Spiderman 2 - The Pizza slice being snagged away from the guy on the apartment balcony as he is about to bite into it, or howabout the elevator scene where the tenant engages Peter in conversation about the cool spidey costume.

Spiderman 3 - Tried to inject comedic moments into the storyline, but they came off as forced and didn't work as effectively as they did in the first two films.

When they cutaway to JJJ asking the kid for a camera, right in the middle of the climactic showdown? That was completely unecessary and it felt forced.

Agreed!

[spider-neil]

I want to see a spidey movie that shows the full range of his powers and I mean the full range.

In spidey 1 with the end sequence you got to see the full range of spidey's swinging.

In spidey 2 you got to see the full range of spidey's ability to stick to surfaces and swinging in the train fight you also got to see his strenght when he stops the trian.

basically I want to see the whole spectrum;
spider sense
strength
wall crawling
swinging
agility

all at once in massive spidey fight. anyone who watches the spectacular spider man who saw the episode group therapy will know what I'm talking about.

oh, I also want more wise cracks.

[chiefchirpa]

I want an unsympathetic villain. I know Raimi can do it too since he created the Deadites, Durant, and Evil Ash.

Me too. Skip the Lizard or make him a filler. MacGargan should be the main villain.

Sympathetic villains:
- Lizard
- Kraven
- Electro
- Rhino

Unsympathetic villains:
- Shocker
- Scorpion
- Carnage (leave it for the fifth).

Weirdos
- Mysterio
- Vulture

So my pick for the villain is Scorpion, mercenary who turns the table on his boss. Cletus Cassidy for next one.

[JerseyJoker]

How can you want something out of a movie that hasn't even started to shoot a single scene yet? -_-

[Nathan]

A new Mary Jane and Peter Parker.

[Adrian89]

You actually believe that SM3 is dark? 139 minutes of people crying is SO edgy...please. :whatever:

And the red white and blue gore-tex needs to go, sorry. A nerdy college student from queens isn't going to have a suit like that. Give Spider-man some dignity back, get rid of the wet suit.

You really think people want to go see "SPIDER-MAN 4", the sequel to Spider-man 3? Raimi and Sony need cut off all ties to that abomination. The Amazing Spider-man is a fine title.
No, SM3 is just a wannabe dark movie, that's what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.

About the suit, ok, it's your oppinion which I disagree with. But in the end, it doesn't really matter for me as long as the movie is done properly.

What I meant about the title is that I actually don't care about such small details. They can call it whatever they want.

[Venom'sDad]

I want some slick, intelligent, intriguing writing that is more mature with a realistic theme and motivation.

[TheScarecrow]

I want some slick, intelligent, intriguing writing that is more mature with a realistic theme and motivation.

The word "realistic" and Spidey shouldn't be in the same sentence.

Honestly, what I want from Spider-man 4 is for the feel of Spider-man 2 to be carried across. Sam came very close to hitting the nail on the head there, and he should have carried on in the same vain. That being said, I don't want a carbon copy of SM2 but that kind of corny/drama works well for Spider-man and makes for a very enjoyable - yet heartfelt - film.

[Venom'sDad]

I'm sorry, but as far capturing the essence of Spiderman and his supporting cast and villain in SM2, no, Sam did not hit the nail on the head.

Look, IMO, fans are so in awe over SM2 because of the great battle scenes and DocOck horror scene in the hospital; but when I look pass that, I see the character and supporting cast much to be desired... except for Harry. Sam is trying to mix Classic with Ultimate, and a little of his own feel; and quite frankly, I for one don't like it. For a person who claims to know the character so well, he is doing a bang up job in my opinion.

[LightningFlash]

Me too. Skip the Lizard or make him a filler. MacGargan should be the main villain.

Sympathetic villains:
- Lizard
- Kraven
- Electro
- Rhino

Unsympathetic villains:
- Shocker
- Scorpion
- Carnage (leave it for the fifth).

Weirdos
- Mysterio
- Vulture

So my pick for the villain is Scorpion, mercenary who turns the table on his boss. Cletus Cassidy for next one.

As sympathetic villains go, I fully understand Lizard and Electro...but Rhino and Kraven?

How?

Why?

[spider-neil]

As sympathetic villains go, I fully understand Lizard and Electro...but Rhino and Kraven?

How?

Why?


exactly, very confusing.

[Leenie]

What I want:
- Lizard. 'Nuff said!
- Let Peter and MJ stay together. I hate that they're not together in the comics right now, so why should the movies tick me off as well? To each their own.
- MJ not being kidnapped. It would be overkill for the 4th time in a row.
- Going back to basics (like in the first two EXCELLENT movies). No cluttered storylines.

I feel optimistic about this movie, overall. It seems that the decisions being made are more careful this time around. Like I've said a million times over the past two years, I do like Spider-Man 3. It just wasn't up to par with the first two movies. I want this movie to be as good as the first two films if that means the whiny fanboys will finally shut up about Spidey 3.

[spider-neil]

I want less MJ. yes, pete loves MJ we get, move on ffs.
if the villian is indeed lizard then all the emotional depth can come from the conners family. the people in peril should be the conners family.
I would have no problem whatsoever if pete flew to florida and spent the entire movie there. no mj, no bugle, brief cameo by jjj and robbie but in a small scene as pete negotiates his plane fare.

it's called 'spider-man' so lets see some spider-man.

[TheSlag]

Ship MJ to Florida. Heck, why stop there, ship her (Kirsten) to Sibera. :woot:

Spider-Man should always be in NYC. His powers are best suited for him there (tall buildings, canyons to swing through), and NYC=Spider-Man in my book. And I love that New York is the background for all the Spider-Man movies.

The only thing I would add is, shoot it (at least partially) in Winter in NYC. It is something I have always wanted to see and could add so much to the storyline... Winter=death... Spring = Life, new beginnings, etc.

As well as, with the Lizard, and being cold blooded, could easily come into play in the storyline, with some good writers.

[chiefchirpa]

As sympathetic villains go, I fully understand Lizard and Electro...but Rhino and Kraven?

How?

Why?

For sympathetic Rhino check on Captain America Fallen Son. The comics, mind you. Then that Punisher issue when New Kraven capture all animal theme villains in his menagerie.

Kraven seems to be an addict than a pure evil. Addicted to hunting & trophy collection.

[Reikowolf]

-MJ moving to LA to become a movie actress (possible set up for Mysterio in sequels)
-Peter finishing his degree.
-John Jameson's return
-Aunt May to play a bigger roll
-another fight in times square
-tie in the the rest of the marvel universe
-Gwen and Peter become closer

[LightningFlash]

For sympathetic Rhino check on Captain America Fallen Son. The comics, mind you. Then that Punisher issue when New Kraven capture all animal theme villains in his menagerie.

Kraven seems to be an addict than a pure evil. Addicted to hunting & trophy collection.

So you expect Raimi to make them sympathetic just by one comic?

[chiefchirpa]

So you expect Raimi to make them sympathetic just by one comic?

Do you expect Raimi to break his trend of making sympathetic villains just because you think so?

[spider-neil]

-MJ moving to LA to become a movie actress (possible set up for Mysterio in sequels)
-Peter finishing his degree.
-John Jameson's return
-Aunt May to play a bigger roll
-another fight in times square
-tie in the the rest of the marvel universe
-Gwen and Peter become closer


to be honest I want to see less of the supporting cast and more of the villian(s).

[LightningFlash]

Do you expect Raimi to break his trend of making sympathetic villains just because you think so?


I only expect Raimi to make another boring Spidey film, which I know he will :-)

[Joker]

I only expect Raimi to make another boring Spidey film, which I know he will :-)

If you seriously believe that you know it will be boring, then why are you here reading threads and engaging in discussions about movies that you find boring? We know you don't read the comics, as you've said yourself, so you can't care about Spider-Man from that perspective.

You either enjoy wasting your time on things you dislike, or you're here just to complain all the time. Either way it's stupid.

[TheSlag]

If you seriously believe that you know it will be boring, then why are you here reading threads and engaging in discussions about movies that you find boring? We know you don't read the comics, as you've said yourself, so you can't care about Spider-Man from that perspective.

You either enjoy wasting your time on things you dislike, or you're here just to complain all the time. Either way it's stupid.

Agreed. LF no one is saying you cannot, nor should not, be critical of aspects of the Spider-Man movies, especially SM3, but overall it does seem you dislike or at best, have little interest in the character as a whole.

And trust me, I not the #1 fan of the Raimi Fan Club saying this either, but I hope and pray SM4 will be good. As many things were wrong with SM3, I still enjoyed the movie. I was simply disappointed with how good I know it could have been.

[spider-neil]

which one of the spidey movies was boring? even the third one, disappointing, yes, but boring?

[shinlyle]

I'll never understand some people.

Seriously? Make the costume closer to the comic? It doesn't get much closer!(and most artists don't even draw the web-wings anymore) Drag me to Hell looks like crap? It's got 100% positive reviews, last time I checked! Reboot the franchise that has made a couple billion dollars because you didn't like the third movie? That's like asking Coca-Cola to go back to "New Coke".

Wow. You give fanboys a bad name!

3 wasn't great, but it was far from horrible. It just couldn't touch the greatness of part 2 or the wonder of the original.

Honestly, I've really gotten a kick out of listening to the haters complain for the past two years. Rebooting the franchise...hilarious!

What's funnier is the fact that every single hater probably has all 3 films on collector's edition DVD or Blu-ray.




Now, joking aside, here's what I want from part 4:

1- More character development.

2- One or Two villians at the most.

3- A great climax.

4- Definitely a little more depth given to his other supporting cast members, not just MJ.

5- Maybe have MJ out of the picture for a while, nothing against Dunst, but Peter has had more relationships than just her, and should be allowed to explore that!

6- Maybe have a storyline akin to Kraven's Last Hunt, with the Lizard in place of Vermin, or maybe have Peter investigating the Lizard for the Bugle with Betty Brant, and have a relationship form between the two of them...which would give Elizabeth Banks more screentime...

7- Give us some fodder for Spidey to whoop up on! We all know that Rhino, Shocker and some others couldn't hold a movie on their own, so why not open the film with Spidey tangling with one of them? Have a quick battle with another villian (one of the things I enjoyed about TDK), and that can tide us over a bit for the characters to develop. Just an idea!

8- How about a little more Spidey in costume. I think we could get some more of Peter in the suit talking to himself or some other little quirky aspects...the things that made the comics so great.

9- DO NOT MAKE IT DARKER. SM-3 was a little darker, but not too much. Even if they do a Kraven's Last Hunt scenario for part 4, they can lighten it up without having a dance scene in a jazz club(the most cringe-worthy scene in SM3, to me, even moreso than him dancing in the streets).

10- Maybe SOny should leave Raimi alone to make the movie. They got their hands all on 3, and they watered down what may have been a great movie, instead of a mediocre one.

[shinlyle]

So you expect Raimi to make them sympathetic just by one comic?

Also, the Spider-Man: Tangled Web two parter, "Flowers for Rhino", and the Spider-Man Family story that was there recently that featured him getting care for his mother/grandmother(I can't remember which one). Or, any storyline that deals with the fact that Rhino is PERMANENTLY trapped in his Rhino-suit, and removing it could cause his death. :cwink:

[MrShifty]

Also, the Spider-Man: Tangled Web two parter, "Flowers for Rhino", and the Spider-Man Family story that was there recently that featured him getting care for his mother/grandmother(I can't remember which one). Or, any storyline that deals with the fact that Rhino is PERMANENTLY trapped in his Rhino-suit, and removing it could cause his death. :cwink:

or in the Death Of Captain America mini where he was visiting his mother's grave.




The one thing I would love to see is the wise cracks. The wise cracks are part of what makes Spider-Man my favorite character. Just to see the annoyance of his villains to his wise cracks is great.

I don't think anyone is saying we don't like Mary Jane. We just don't like how she's portrayed as sort of a *****. Let the story not be tied down so much by the romance. While I'm all for a married Peter Parker. The movies seriously focuses on MJ/Peter relationshipp a little bit too much.

[Goran]

First off, I love details, so my short list focusses on them:

- give Peter a shorter hair cut!
- force Tobey into a hard workout to get into shape for the next film!
- give MJ a darker red for her hair, fringe hairdo!
- MJ has to be HOT! so NO granny look!
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[LightningFlash]

Kill off MJ in the first second of the movie.

[Metal Spidey]

-MJ moving to LA to become a movie actress (possible set up for Mysterio in sequels)
-Peter finishing his degree.
-John Jameson's return
-Aunt May to play a bigger roll
-another fight in times square
-tie in the the rest of the marvel universe
-Gwen and Peter become closer

How?

[protocida]

. The love triangle between Peter, MJ and Gwen being developed.

. Peter becoming full-time photograper for the Daily Bugle, and interacting more with Jameson, Robbie, Betty and Hoffman.

. Aunt May revealing she knows he's Spider-Man.

. Spider-Man being, again, hated by N.Y. because of Venom.

. Spider-Man showcasing his powers more.

. Spidey fighting thugs in the beginning of the movie.

. Final Swing.

. Morbius and Lizard as the villains, with Lizard being the simpathetyc villain and Morbius being the unsimpathetyc villain.

. Great fights.

. Comedy.

. Wisecracking Spidey.

. Spidey fighting Lizard to save the Connors.

. Captain Stacy and Spidey teaming up (Maybe Morbius kills him?).

. Web-action! :yay:

. Peter showcasing his inteligence.

. Stan Lee as the Marvel Comics editor, publishing Spidey-based comic books. :hehe:

. Door to a sequel.

[weezerspider]

1.more Spidey
2.1 or 2 villains. 1 villain could be in an opening fight scene.
3.comedy mixed in an overall, serious movie. kinda like Iron man and too a lesser extend, sm2
4.spidey being funny
5.if characters are used, develope them.
6.Spidey wakes up from the nightmare that was spiderman 3. its the day after sm2 and we start sm3 from scratch. Venom isn't in it. Sandman's not Uncle Ben's killer. "evil" Spidey doesn't dance to James Brown.

ok, the last one was a joke

[chiefchirpa]

Morbius can't be unsympathetic because he's kinda of an anti hero then & now. The most recent Morbius story is about him leading an anti-zombie force.

[shinlyle]

Kill off MJ in the first second of the movie.


...or not!!:pal:


Honestly, I'd be fine with them recasting Dunst as MJ. I'd also be fine with them leaving her as MJ. The thing I really want is for them to NOT make her character such a beeyatch in this film. Maybe make her more independant, as opposed to having only Peter for support.

You want to start a deviously funny twist? Have MJ and Gwen become casual friends, and Peter has to deal with a girl he has feelings for hanging around
with his current girlfriend. I can imagine Peter faking his Spider-sense going off just to get out of that uncomfortable situation!!:woot:

[Construct]

Very simple and a partial repost of this (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16365225&postcount=796):

Characters/Events:
The Lizard
Kraven
Man-Spider
MJ and Peter taking a break
Showcases of Peter's scientific prowess
Major deaths
Cemetery battle

[protocida]

Man-Spider
Seriously? :confused:

[Raiden]

Because SM2 is my favorite in the trilogy, I wish Raimi will make SM4 more like it, with one villain (played by an excellent actor) who has good character development, and not have the movie bogged down by too many characters, emo Parker, or Parker who can't stop weeping every 5 minutes. Spider-man needs to get more interesting drama, but it also needs to find good humor to go along with it because Spider-man isn't Batman, and he can't brood all the time. However, Raimi will be smart to look at TDK and learn some lessons from it also.

[LexCorp]

Spiderman :oldrazz:

[luke1234]

Sheer awesomeness.

[TKing]

In a weird way, I think the disappointment we suffered with SM3 has actually raised my anticipation for this one (perhaps even moreso than IM2 - though Mickey Rourke's involvement will bring all kinds of awesome).

[spider-neil]

Because SM2 is my favorite in the trilogy, I wish Raimi will make SM4 more like it, with one villain (played by an excellent actor) who has good character development, and not have the movie bogged down by too many characters, emo Parker, or Parker who can't stop weeping every 5 minutes. Spider-man needs to get more interesting drama, but it also needs to find good humor to go along with it because Spider-man isn't Batman, and he can't brood all the time. However, Raimi will be smart to look at TDK and learn some lessons from it also.


I definately would perfer one villian because then you can have ture character development but then again I'd love a throw away villian that spidey takes out in the opening credits or something like shocker or rhino.

[spider-neil]

SM3 may actually help sam because now he can compare and contract with what worked (SM1/SM2) and what didn't (SM3), a much easier job then topping what was at the time THE best superhero movie ever (SM2).

[spider-neil]

one thing I want in SM4 is sam's kinetic cameras. its sam signature and he hasn't used nearly enough in the spiderman movies, the only scenes I recall is (SM2) the doc ock 'birth' in the hostipal, the camara zooming in every time doc ock makes a tremer (pete/mj scene in the café) and (SM3) the sandman scene where he is drunched in watch and the camera zooms in everytime a rivet pops loose.

[Construct]

Seriously? :confused:
Yes. I explain Man-Spider's inclusion in the post you quoted with the hyperlinked "this".

In addition, here's another partial repost (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16365321&postcount=543) of what I'd like to see in SM4:

Minor villains: Scorpion, Rhino, and/or Vulture
I see the minor villains as those that Spidey fights in an opening sequence. I prefer the team of Scorpion and Rhino, but I included Vulture as a wild card. I see SM4 as having an animal-based theme so these minor villains provide a foreground for that.

http://www.afunnystuff.com/forumpics/Jim_stfu-big.jpg
This picture does not explain your opinion well. With words, will you be more thorough? At the least, do you have anything constructive to add?

[AmazingSpidey]

I'd like to see more of a wise cracking Spidey, less of MJ, put some distance between them please, it didn't really make sense for Gwen to even be in SM3, so no Gwen, introduce Black Cat as an interest, let Connors become the Lizard, more thug battle and throw in the Scorpion, tie in other Marvel films some how and end it with the return of Norman Osborn!!!

[bryanss3]

I'd like Spidey to keep his mask on. Peter to feel guilt over Harry's death. I don't care how much screen time MJ gets honestly as long as she isn't a lame plot device she could be on screen 70% of the movie... ok thats too much, but I just don't want to hear about her acting career the whole movie and then have her show up in the big super villain fight at the end. I mean i could even see logically if Kraven is used he could us MJ as bate for spidey, but still the last fight scene of the movie will feel just like the other 3 movies.

[spider-neil]

what spidey fans expect

a) spidey to keep his mask on
b) spidey to wisecrack

reason why I'm sure sam avoids the about

taking the mask off - hard to emote from behind a mask, you can't see the facial expressions (performance of the actor)

spidey wisecracking - breaks up the flow of action (difficult to hear if the action is loud?)

valid reasons I'm sure but I couldn't care less I want to see spidey keep his mask on and take the piss out of the villians he beats up. screw the logistic or reality its a movie.

[shinlyle]

SM3 may actually help sam because now he can compare and contract with what worked (SM1/SM2) and what didn't (SM3), a much easier job then topping what was at the time THE best superhero movie ever (SM2).

Uh, SM2 is STILL the best superhero movie ever. The Dark Knight was close, and Iron man flew high, but NOTHING will ever compare to seeing Spidey dump that suit in the trash can, and nothing compares to the train fight.

That, and the Bat-growl pulls me out of Dark Knight and Batman Begins EVERY TIME....and I LOVE those movies.

[Adrian89]

This picture does not explain your opinion well. With words, will you be more thorough? At the least, do you have anything constructive to add?
You guys have no sense of humour!:oldrazz:

My point is very simple: The Man-Spider thing won't work. It's just as easy as that, plus, you have to ask yourself - DO I WANT TO SEE THAT ON SCREEN, ESPECIALLY ON A SM MOVIE?;)

How can they make that right? Plus, it might have to be R Rated because of the violence and we all know a SM Movie will never be R Rated and perhaps it doesn't need to be either! But that monster will be a joke either way just like the story itself!

Idk about others, but personally, I would never want to see that in a Spider-Man Movie. EVER!

There are far better stories which haven't been told in the movie yet (for example, I would like to see Scorpion and I also want to see the doing that story with JJJ's hatred for Spider-Man growing until he's had it! U know it.)!


b) spidey to wisecrack.
YES!!! And also, I don't wanna see any more of Mr. wimp-Parker! I don't know if it's 100% the writers' fault or Tobey's also (he isn't a great Peter Parker imo, but a good one!), but I think it's time to fix that! He should be more DOWN TO EARTH! Raimi should be aware of this since he claims he loves Spidey and he read all those comics etc! If he understands the character perfectly, he needs to solve this problem as well!

[Construct]

You guys have no sense of humour!:oldrazz:

My point is very simple: The Man-Spider thing won't work. It's just as easy as that, plus, you have to ask yourself - DO I WANT TO SEE THAT ON SCREEN, ESPECIALLY ON A SM MOVIE?;)

How can they make that right? Plus, it might have to be R Rated because of the violence and we all know a SM Movie will never be R Rated and perhaps it doesn't need to be either! But that monster will be a joke either way just like the story itself!

Idk about others, but personally, I would never want to see that in a Spider-Man Movie. EVER!

There are far better stories which haven't been told in the movie yet (for example, I would like to see Scorpion and I also want to see the doing that story with JJJ's hatred for Spider-Man growing until he's had it! U know it.)!

It seems to me that your problem lies with the execution more than the character/monster itself. Whenever I (and likely, others) post in these types of threads, I always consider the best-case scenario, and that involves everything in the story making sense and characters being adapted as respectfully as possible.

I'll preface the rest of my post with this quote, because it's relevant:

Summary:
(To preface: I thought of these things shortly after I'd seen SM3; TDK had no bearing on my ideas.)

I see this film as possibly the darkest in the franchise given that Peter may feel more alone and depressed because of the failures of some of his closest relationships (MJ, Dr. Connors' transformation, deaths), the fact that he has no symbiote to bond with to channel those emotions, and his struggles in his professional life in general (finding a job, maintaining finances, etc.). In addition to those, he experiences momentary lapses in his powers that make him more ineffectual as a hero, similar to the events in SM2, but different in how Peter deals with them (web-shooters) and what actually happens to him as a result (he grows stronger instead of becoming normal again). His increasing obsolescence opens the door for Kraven to catch/kill the Lizard.

Throughout the film, the audience sees how Peter deals with these issues while battling a growing public distaste for Spider-Man, and his dilemma to continue being a hero in light of that and his own transformation that could amplify that public animosity and put a tighter strain on his personal relationships.

Within the context of this story, I believe that the Lizard, Kraven, and Peter's eventual transformation works as it should introduce new dramatic dynamics into this series, as well as shake convention from it (i.e. MJ being bait in the third act) and other comic-book-superhero movies.

I see this story as a reasonable progression of the series. Dr. Connors has been in two movies so far, and I, like many others, would like to see him become the Lizard in this film. Kraven is a logical choice for a true antagonist in that case, and Peter's own transformation would provide the extra dramatic dimension that not only keeps his character and the story interesting, but it would also follow the logic of the series (his state-of-being being affected by personal issues, among other things) and lastly, give the skeptics of comic-book-superheroes' plausibility something to be entertained by. I expect the third act of this film to be something unseen thus far in films such as these, especially if SM4 and SM5 are filmed back-to-back. In addition, I can see JJJ and the Scorpion being involved in the story I provide, albeit the Scorpion would have a smaller role as I explained in my previous post (hopefully to be included in a later film), but perhaps Peter's discovery of JJJ's dealings place a tighter strain on their relationship and Spidey being shown up by Kraven would replace JJJ's disappointment over the Scorpion's defeat.

From your quote of my first post in this thread, you didn't seem to have a problem with my inclusion of the Lizard, who is one of Spider-Man's most vicious enemies, appearing in a PG-13 movie; I don't think that Man-Spider should push that rating into "R" territory any more than the Lizard would. In addition, boundaries of the PG-13 rating are being pushed more often now, and I believe that Sam Raimi's current (at least, critical) success with his new (PG-13) horror film would give him good ideas as to how to adapt these characters.

With a franchise entering its fourth installment and such a long wait between the 3rd and 4th films, I expect more maturity in the characters and a fearlessness to be reasonably bold with the storytelling. With the summary and ideas I have provided or not, hopefully SM4 delivers on those fronts.

[weezerspider]

Uh, SM2 is STILL the best superhero movie ever. The Dark Knight was close, and Iron man flew high, but NOTHING will ever compare to seeing Spidey dump that suit in the trash can, and nothing compares to the train fight.

That, and the Bat-growl pulls me out of Dark Knight and Batman Begins EVERY TIME....and I LOVE those movies.

ugh...... Personally you like Spiderman 2 better, but The Dark Knight is easily the superior film. I mean seriously, grow up. I like Dirty Harry more than The Godfather, but I respect and know the The Godfather is easily the superior film.

[TheWrathOfGod]

If Sam wants to follow Superman's lead, Spider-man 4 will have Hydro-man and deal with the impact of global warming/pollution. LOL.

[Spider-ManHero12]

ugh...... Personally you like Spiderman 2 better, but The Dark Knight is easily the superior film. I mean seriously, grow up. I like Dirty Harry more than The Godfather, but I respect and know the The Godfather is easily the superior film. SO, wait, are you telling him that he can't think S-M2 is a better movie? Personally, I like it more than TDK. Spider-Man has always appealed to me more.

[venom892]

I'm the biggest Spider-man fan there can be.I own figures,Large amount of comics{More then any character}.I loved the character since I'm five.But It doesn't blind me.I love Spider-man 2.It was my favorite movie for a long time.But I can admit The Dark Knight is the better film.It's the same with the 90's Animated series.I love it to death and it got me into the world of Spider-man.But I don't think anyone can tell me it's better Then Batman:The Animated Series.I love the character of Spider-man a lot more then Batman but in this instances Batman is better.

[TheWrathOfGod]

I'm the biggest Spider-man fan there can be.I own figures,Large amount of comics{More then any character}.I loved the character since I'm five.But It doesn't blind me.I love Spider-man 2.It was my favorite movie for a long time.But I can admit The Dark Knight is the better film.It's the same with the 90's Animated series.I love it to death and it got me into the world of Spider-man.But I don't think anyone can tell me it's better Then Batman:The Animated Series.I love the character of Spider-man a lot more then Batman but in this instances Batman is better.

It's subjective. I enjoyed Batman (89') a hell of a lot more than TDK.

[venom892]

Well of course.The Dark Knight is my favorite Batman movie.Although I will say Batman '89 got closer to the Gotham of the comics then TDK or BB did.

[spider-neil]

SO, wait, are you telling him that he can't think S-M2 is a better movie? Personally, I like it more than TDK. Better movie, IMO.


if someone thought catwoman was the best movie ever then as far as they're concerned it IS the best movie ever. its all about opinions and no ones opinion is more valid than anyone elses. beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[TheWrathOfGod]

Well of course.The Dark Knight is my favorite Batman movie.Although I will say Batman '89 got closer to the Gotham of the comics then TDK or BB did.

Yeah, Chicago didn't quite cut it for me.

[spider-neil]

I'm the biggest Spider-man fan there can be.I own figures,Large amount of comics{More then any character}.I loved the character since I'm five.But It doesn't blind me.I love Spider-man 2.It was my favorite movie for a long time.But I can admit The Dark Knight is the better film.It's the same with the 90's Animated series.I love it to death and it got me into the world of Spider-man.But I don't think anyone can tell me it's better Then Batman:The Animated Series.I love the character of Spider-man a lot more then Batman but in this instances Batman is better.


its all about opinions I enjoyed SSM more than BTAS. JL/JLU is still my favorite of all time though.

[Adrian89]

ugh...... Personally you like Spiderman 2 better, but The Dark Knight is easily the superior film. I mean seriously, grow up. I like Dirty Harry more than The Godfather, but I respect and know the The Godfather is easily the superior film.
I agree! I preffer SM2 over TDK also, even though TDK is the superior movie here, obviously. It was nearly perfect, while SM2 had it's flaws and some things simply weren't done like they should've been done.

[Octoberist]

I just want a darn good movie out of Spidey 4, you know?

I want friggin' Spidey to say "My Spidey sense are tingling" and I want ILM/WETA to do the visual effects.

[Spider-ManHero12]

if someone thought catwoman was the best movie ever then as far as they're concerned it IS the best movie ever. its all about opinions and no ones opinion is more valid than anyone elses. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Exactly, I mean, as I said in my last post, Spider-Man has always appealed to me, as does the Spider-Man 2 film. I will admit though, TDK was a freakin awesome movie.

[Congo Jack]

Spider-Man works best as a very young character, and despite Tobey being 34, he should play as young as is believable.

Spider-Man needs to crack jokes. Hire a Bill Hader (who just wrote SPIDER-MAN: THE SHORT HALLOWEEN) or somebody to add some jokes to the script.

While in costume, the mask must stay on for the vast majority of the time.

I fear a reaction to THE DARK KNIGHT from Sony that involves them wanting Sam to go as dark as possible. As little studio interference as possible is a good thing.

No forced connections to the bad guys, as there was with Sandman in SPIDER-MAN 3.

Play up Gwen Stacy as the main love interest in Peter's life and MJ as the ex-girlfriend.

A spectacle to rival the fight on the train between Doc Ock and Spider-Man in SPIDER-MAN 2.

[Doomed_hero]

I want a Spider-man movie that has him dealing with ethic problems and where to cross the line and where not to. There are so many great comics with Peter trying to deal with life issues outside the realm of Mary Jane. Thats the movies main problem, it makes Spider-Man to much into a love story. Have it at the side is ya want, yet not the main drive. Have Peter crack more jokes and if ya want a personal villian go with Lizard since he is already connected to Peter. You can have the struggle of Peter trying to save a friend yet questioning if he get violent, should he take him down for good. Add moral issues for Peter to face and it will be some fresh air from the love story that is strangling the series.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

People are tired of MJ, but I want to see how Peter hitting her affects their relationship. He can say "Alien made me do it lol", but would she really believe him? It could even be a way to get her out of the picture and bring Gwen to the forefront as a love interest.

[Adrian89]

I'm not tired of MJ, but I'm sick & tired of Dunst! I'm sick of this MJ wannabe with no personality, oh but wait, I forgot: DUNST IS NO MJ!!:o

I want an actress with charm to play MJ and who is hot! Because that's how MJ is suppossed to be! This requires a different writting for the character as well though, but the actor/actress should be able to improve their character (even if it wasn't written properly), because that's what good actors do! And neither Tobey or Kirsten managed to do this.

[weezerspider]

I agree! I preffer SM2 over TDK also, even though TDK is the superior movie here, obviously. It was nearly perfect, while SM2 had it's flaws and some things simply weren't done like they should've been done.

THANK YOU! Thats what I've been saying the whole time, but apparently no one can comprehend what their reading.... Anyone can LIKE Spiderman 2 better than TDK, but to say its a better film? No, from a quality of film perspective, TDK is easily a much better made film. AGAIN, my personal EXAMPLE: I like Dirty Harry more than the Godfather, but when I watch them back to back I know and can respect the fact the Godfather is the better film.
Personal preference, I like Dirty Harry more. Looking at the quality of the film, its easily The Godfather. Heck, I personally enjoy Crank quite alot, but it is a terrible movie. I enjoy Empire Strikes Back over The Two Towers, but Two Towers easily has better writting, acting, production..... Its freakin miles ahead of Empire Strikes Back.

[protocida]

Lizard and Morbius would do it for me.

[Leenie]

I agree! I preffer SM2 over TDK also, even though TDK is the superior movie here, obviously. It was nearly perfect, while SM2 had it's flaws and some things simply weren't done like they should've been done.

I respectfully disagree.

Don't get me wrong, I love The Dark Knight ... But I can pick that movie apart just as much as Spider-Man 2.

[shinlyle]

I respectfully disagree.

Don't get me wrong, I love The Dark Knight ... But I can pick that movie apart just as much as Spider-Man 2.

That's the way I am. I love TDK, but you can start at the "Bat-Growl" and work your way down. It has its flaws (waits for those claiming it is "perfection" to tear me apart).

Spidey 2, had its own flaws as well...but they were just as few and as easily dismissed as the bat-growl was in TDK. I honestly think, when it comes down to two movies of this caliber, that it truly depends on which story/characters you prefer or can relate to the easiest. For me, its Spider-Man. For some, its Batman.

Heaven forbid peopel have differing opinions!!:wow:

[protocida]

Every movie has flaws. To quote a friend:

EEEEEEVERYOOOONEEEE!!!!!!!!

[SpeterMan3]

I want a great movie. I want affirmation of my suspicion that Raimi really knows what he's doing and is about to blow us away. I want a movie that is emotional and enthralling. I want to feel like I'm in the movie. I want to feel what Peter Parker feels. I want to feel like I'm Peter Parker. I don't want to see too much cheese, dancing, or overdramatic crying. I supply too much of that for myself, thank you. I want Michael Jackson to make a cameo. Okay, never mind that last part, but I want a great movie. Honestly, just because I feel like bringing it up, I think that Spidey 4 can easily beat TDK. I probably need to see TDK again to reevaluate it, but I was kind of bored when I saw it. This is all IMO, though.

[LightningFlash]

A movie with perfection.......

is....

Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

DER.

[LightningFlash]

Edit: Double Post.

Why: Stupid wi-fi in San Diego.

[GoldGoblin]

Well there are these things that "The Dark Knight" did that Raimi really,really needs to do.

1.The villains never knew Batman's identity.
2.One of the villains had no back story,he was just there (Joker).
3.Bruce Wayne wasn't connected to the Joker,he was connected to him as Batman.

[LightningFlash]

You could put in Venom for number two.

I mean, he was just there.

With maybe five minutes of story.

[Joker]

It's all he deserved.

Venom sucks. Most overrated villain ever. Raimi saw that.

[TheScarecrow]

You could put in Venom for number two.

I mean, he was just there.

Yes...let's just forget the two hours Raimi arkwardly attempted to put Brock in every scene he could. It's true about Raimi, though, he keeps repeating the same patterns all over again and it's very reminiscent of the old Batman movies with two villains where there'd be the main one, joined by a secondary one later for no reason other than targeting the hero. Raimi also has a tendancy to make his villains sympathetic, and he always finds a way to connect them to Peter, no matter how forced it is.

[shinlyle]

It's all he deserved.

Venom sucks. Most overrated villain ever. Raimi saw that.

Preach it.

I like Venom...and Venom is one of the coolest-LOOKING villians out there, but there is really no subtance to him. He's like the Chinese food of villians....he works for a little bit, but you're just going to be hungry for another villian again in an hour or two.

[Symbiote666]

Raimi also has a tendancy to make his villains sympathetic, and he always finds a way to connect them to Peter, no matter how forced it is.

Really, Sandman is the only one that didn't work out. GG worked fine, Doc Ock worked brilliantly, Harry had already been set up and Eddie was like that in the comics.

[Frodo]

* No Love triangle. The audience needs to be reminded of what made Peter and MJ such a good couple. Have them face a challange together that reinstates their faith in each other. They don't have to be together at the start but by the end they should be together

* Bring Aunt May back in the forefront . Maybe even drop some hints about Peter Parents though I'd leave out the Spy stuff.

* No Morbuis. The Lizard yes

* Bring back the fun and adventure of the first two films

* Develop the Spiderman identity more i.e his humor, his interaction with people

*

[LightningFlash]

It's all he deserved.

Venom sucks. Most overrated villain ever. Raimi saw that.

He might be overrated, but I still prefer him than many of Spidey's villains. Not because he looks like a badass, but just because he only wants one thing, and that's not a plan to become a crime boss, but just to destroy Spider-Man. Also why I liked both of his arcs in TSSM.

And I guess Sam Raimi had to be a genius to write a better story for Brock though. Because a good story for Eddie Brock would've made Venom better as a whole, as Raimi got Venom spot on for the most part(thirst of revenge, minus asking Sandy for help). I mean, what would've been better is if Venom attacked all three(Spider-Man, Harry Osborn and Sandman). It would've just showed how sick Venom has become, with trying to kill all three as two of them are in his way.

But, that's just my opinion, lol.

And what TheScarecrow said, that is very true...Spider-Man 3 did seem like a Burton/Schumacher Batman flick. And that's why it seems like Raimi will be sticking with a one-villain per-movie this time around, but hopefully we get more villain and less love angst. Which, that works well for Raimi, he can't seem to write anything good that has more than one villain. Sure, he only tried with one movie, but he only did a half-ass job.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

He might be overrated, but I still prefer him than many of Spidey's villains. Not because he looks like a badass, but just because he only wants one thing, and that's not a plan to become a crime boss, but just to destroy Spider-Man. Also why I liked both of his arcs in TSSM.

And I guess Sam Raimi had to be a genius to write a better story for Brock though. Because a good story for Eddie Brock would've made Venom better as a whole, as Raimi got Venom spot on for the most part(thirst of revenge, minus asking Sandy for help). I mean, what would've been better is if Venom attacked all three(Spider-Man, Harry Osborn and Sandman). It would've just showed how sick Venom has become, with trying to kill all three as two of them are in his way.

But, that's just my opinion, lol.

And what TheScarecrow said, that is very true...Spider-Man 3 did seem like a Burton/Schumacher Batman flick. And that's why it seems like Raimi will be sticking with a one-villain per-movie this time around, but hopefully we get more villain and less love angst. Which, that works well for Raimi, he can't seem to write anything good that has more than one villain. Sure, he only tried with one movie, but he only did a half-ass job.

I would pay to see that.

[Agent Z]

I know what I don't want: Mary Jane being dangled from a high spot in peril...AGAIN! :cmad:

I also would just like Sam and company to go back to ONE villain. Especially with one like The Lizard, there is plenty of character there to easily sustain a feature-length story.

I have faith in Sam. It's the meddling powers that be that worry me. :csad:

[LightningFlash]

I would pay to see that.

I thought it would've happen. I thought Venom and Sandman would fight, with it ending with Venom biting Sandy.

But, no...:o

[protocida]

I believe Venom was supposed to capture MJ and Gwen, and force Spidey to choose, but they tough it'd be too similar to Spider-Man's ending.

I think Sandman was the one who got more hurt due the Studio interventions. For those who don't remember, there was another character in the Script, Dr. Brown, I think. Sandman would rob the armored car and then, visit him and give him the money to treat Penny, but Brown would refuse. Sandman would threaten him and, thinking he'd convince him with more money, steal the bank, where he faces black suited Spider-Man. Brown would actually examine Penny and would discover she's in terminal fase. There's no more treatments. She's dying.

In the final battle, Sandman would be fighting Spider-Man at the Construction Site, when his ex-wife and Penny arrive with Dr. Brown. Captain Stacy helps them out to get to the site and Brown talks Marko out of killing Spidey and says the best he can do is spend Penny's last days by her side. Stacy allows them to leave, because he knows how he'd feel if his daughter were in that situation. After they depart, Venom would attack Spidey as we saw in the film.

[LightningFlash]

He wasn't going to kidnap both. It was Gwen at first, but then changed to MJ. Although Gwen was supposed to go to the construction site after seeing that Venom is Eddie.

[Blackman]

What I want out of Spiderman 4?

I want a good conclusion to a great film series.
I think the Raimi Spiderman has run its course. Its been good, in fact its been great. I just feel like seeing new actors in the roles so I wouldnt mind if SP4 was the last of the Raimi series

[LightningFlash]

^^ Don't count on it.

Most likely there'll be a fifth, as Raimi wanted to film four and five back to back; even if the plans were changed, Raimi could still want a fourth sequel.

[Venom'sDad]

What I want out of Spiderman 4?

I want a good conclusion to a great film series.
I think the Raimi Spiderman has run its course. Its been good, in fact its been great. I just feel like seeing new actors in the roles so I wouldnt mind if SP4 was the last of the Raimi series

I totally agree. :up::up::up:

[Sam Fisher]

Danny Elfman.

[Metal Spidey]

What I want out of Spiderman 4?

I want a good conclusion to a great film series.
I think the Raimi Spiderman has run its course. Its been good, in fact its been great. I just feel like seeing new actors in the roles so I wouldnt mind if SP4 was the last of the Raimi series

Who stops at 4?

[TheScarecrow]

I've got some thoughts...
1. In the opening credits I don't want to see any recap of the previous three Spider-man movies. I don't want this to feel like a "reboot", but rather the beggining of a new arc - just like Spider-man 1.
2. I'd like to see more involvement for supporting characters. Raimi's introduced Gwen and now he needs to run with that. My idea is to have Peter dating Gwen again after Spider-man 3, with Mary-Jane being friends with Gwen. Peter would now be better friends with Betty and both Peter and Gwen would work in Connor's lab - leading Gwen to ultimately be killed at the hands of the Lizard and Mary-Jane to re-enter Peter's life as a source of support to get through this. This starts their relationship off afresh, without the lame "will they, won't they" stuff we've had for so long and the petty problems.
3. I'd like to have a non-sympathetic villain, like Kraven or Electro. Someone who was rotten before they entered Spidey's life. I'd also like to see a villain without a personal connection to Spidey.

[Venom'sDad]

Well given how Gwen walked out on Peter, never wanting to see him again after the way he played her... I don't think so. Also the way the film ended with Peter & MJ holding hands... they pretty much care for each other. It also symbolize that, that all they got... is each other.

Hey, this is what Sam has established. Can't do a 180 now....

[Adrian89]

He might be overrated, but I still prefer him than many of Spidey's villains. Not because he looks like a badass, but just because he only wants one thing, and that's not a plan to become a crime boss, but just to destroy Spider-Man. Also why I liked both of his arcs in TSSM.

And I guess Sam Raimi had to be a genius to write a better story for Brock though. Because a good story for Eddie Brock would've made Venom better as a whole, as Raimi got Venom spot on for the most part(thirst of revenge, minus asking Sandy for help). I mean, what would've been better is if Venom attacked all three(Spider-Man, Harry Osborn and Sandman). It would've just showed how sick Venom has become, with trying to kill all three as two of them are in his way.

But, that's just my opinion, lol.
I agree with you and I fully support your idea, it's a good one if you ask me. Plus, if Venom would've been made the right way, he wouldn't have been so hated right now, but thanks to Raimi's bull his reputation is forever destroyed. And with this being said, I'm preparing for another Venom-failure on screen: The Venom Movie.

[luke1234]

Well given how Gwen walked out on Peter, never wanting to see him again after the way he played her... I don't think so. Also the way the film ended with Peter & MJ holding hands... they pretty much care for each other. It also symbolize that, that all they got... is each other.

Hey, this is what Sam has established. Can't do a 180 now....

nope. MJ <3 Peter 4 life

[[A]]

What do you want out of Spider-man 4???The ultra-s**tty soundtrack.

[spider-neil]

It's all he deserved.

Venom sucks. Most overrated villain ever. Raimi saw that.


absolutely. a horrible one dimensional monster who is now dead (thank goodness) we are now guranteed to have a villian with more depth.
look at venom in dark reign *shudder*

[LastSunrise1981]

What I also want out of Spider-Man 4 is the exploration of the public turning against him. That was one of the biggest missed opportunities by Raimi in my opinion. In the comics and animated series we saw how the public grew to despise him and believe he was a terror to the city.

The mentions of it don't really explore it. When Spider-Man saves a person I'd like to see the crowd become an angry mob and start throwing stuff at him, causing him to question whether being a hero is worth it.

[Symbiote666]

They have kinda flip flopped on that matter.

They hate him, then they loved him, then they hated him again, then they loved him, then they "really liked" him, then they hated him and then he was "wicked cool" and "awesome".

I could do without public interraction in the next movie, I don't know where they find them, but this series has some of the worst extras I have ever seen in a movie.

[Sam Fisher]

Who stops at 4?Batman and Robin.

[SpeterMan3]

Well, they had a good reason, lol...

If SM4 is good, then i don't think it should be the end.


(200th post!)

[Joker]

Batman and Robin.

And Superman 4.

[protocida]

They won't stop at 4.

And I want AT LEAST 3 major battles!

[spider-neil]

oh, stop thinking of excuses to ignore his spider sense. seriously did spidey's senses tingle ONCE in SM3?

[protocida]

No, it didn't.

[SpeterMan3]

It did, but it wasn't slowed down and emphasized like in the first 2. Remember, when he dodged the pumpkin bomb? Sam said that he didn't emphasize it, or use it much, because there was so much going on in the movie already.

[protocida]

It doesn't have to be slow-mo. The first two had several scenes were it's just the noise, and we all know it's the Spider-Sense.

[SpeterMan3]

I know, that would have been nice... but I guess Sam didn't want to do that, for some reason.

[Sam Fisher]

oh, stop thinking of excuses to ignore his spider sense. seriously did spidey's senses tingle ONCE in SM3?Movie Spidey has Spider-Sense?:oldrazz:

[spider-neil]

Movie Spidey has Spider-Sense?:oldrazz:


I only remember three big instances

1. in the school hallway before flash is about to punch him (SM1)
2. before the glider about to hit him (SM1)
3. before the car s going to hit him in the café (SM2)

and that's it

[Joker]

It also went off just before the Green Goblin arrived at the unity festival. And after Doc Ock ripped out the brakes on the train and he sense the train tracks ran out at the end.

[spider-neil]

It also went off just before the Green Goblin arrived at the unity festival. And after Doc Ock ripped out the brakes on the train and he sense the train tracks ran out at the end.


good catches :applaud

[SpaceWay2009]

I think you two mentioned all the scenes where his Spider-Sense went off.

[spider-neil]

I think you two mentioned all the scenes where his Spider-Sense went off.


one more, when the crooks are about to hit him with the car and he back flips over them and then has a dialouge with the two kids. SM2

[protocida]

Doesn't it went off before Doc Ock hits him in SM2 ending?

[Golgo-13]

Every villain since SM1 knows Peter Parker is Spider-man. Green Goblin knows;Doc Ock knows (which is why if he comes back, he needs to have memory loss); Venom knows; New Goblin/Harry knows and lastly Sandman. Could we at least have one Spider-Man movie, where the villain doesn't find out Peter Parker is Spiderman. And could he keep his frick'in mask on? What's the point of giving Spidey a mask, if you think it makes better drama to take it off...?

[Golgo-13]

No, it didn't.

It should have went off when Harry was about to grab him while he was riding his bike.

[protocida]

If it's Lizard, I think it'd be cool to see Dr. Connors finding out. Otherwise, agreed.

[SpaceWay2009]

Every villain since SM1 knows Peter Parker is Spider-man. Green Goblin knows;Doc Ock knows (which is why if he comes back, he needs to have memory loss); Venom knows; New Goblin/Harry knows and lastly Sandman. Could we at least have one Spider-Man movie, where the villain doesn't find out Peter Parker is Spiderman. And could he keep his frick'in mask on? What's the point of giving Spidey a mask, if you think it makes better drama to take it off...?Agreed.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Agreed.

Double agreed. Because if he knows Pter's indentuty he's probably going to die.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

It should have went off when Harry was about to grab him while he was riding his bike.

The reaction was there the only thing missing is the Spider-sense sound.

[colonel sanders]

Im gonna go ahead and say what I want out of the rest of the series.

I think that Spider-man 4 villains should be, as many already have suggested, the lizard and kraven. They would work well together and prevent any type of mess that occured in 3. Whenever we see Connors transform into the Lizard in his lab, he should knock over the container holding the symbiote sample that he has and the symbiote should escape in order to set up the Venom spinoff.

Then in Spider-man 5, and hopefully the last film of this series, they should go back to one villain. And that villain should be the chameleon. They could do so much with his character and he would be a great final villain. I remember when he was rumored to be the villain in Spider-man 3 that he would be played by Thomas Haden Church and that later on in the film Topher Grace's character would be revealed to be the Chameleon, just in another form. I think they should do something like that. Chameleon could also mess with Spidey by changing into some of his other rogues. We could get to see appearances by Doc Ock and Venom again. I think the final battle would make one hell of a finale for the series.

Then they should go ahead and make the Venom spinoff. They say they want to replace Topher who also appears to not be interested in the project, so since Eddie died and any reason explaining how he survived would just be corny, the symbiote should just find a new host. This could explain why venom would look different because i am sure they will redesign him since no one liked they way he looked in 3. Venom should be an anti-hero and Carnage should be the villain. Maybe some cameos of other symbiotes like Toxin.

[Joker]

My problem with using villains like Chameleon and Kraven is that they can't provide for the kind of exciting action scenes with Spidey that all the previous villains have been able to provide.

That said, if they are coupled with another villain who can, like The Lizard, then it could work.

[colonel sanders]

Chameleon could change into different spidey villains. I think that would be a very sweet fight.

[Venom 1988]

Chameleon could change into different spidey villains. I think that would be a very sweet fight.

But he doesn't copy their powers though.

[femidk1]

I don't know who was in charge of the visul effects. but I heard, that the original guy from the previous movies left. BRING HIM BACK, because SM3's cgi wasn't up to par.

[colonel sanders]

But he doesn't copy their powers though.

True, but they can always make changes for the movie. I mean imagine if he morphed into Doc Ock. Those mechanical arms would be there to use. And they can always change him up and say that he can mimic powers too. I think it would just be cool to get cameos from all previous actors who portrayed villains from the movies and would be a good conclusion to this series if it is the last film. And just seeing spidey fight green goblin, doc ock, ect. briefly again would be an interesting final battle.

But whats even more interesting would be the story they could come up with. Chameleon could turn into Harry to mess with Peter. He could turn into spidey to frame him. The whole twist with him being a certain character all along.

[Venom 1988]

True, but they can always make changes for the movie. I mean imagine if he morphed into Doc Ock. Those mechanical arms would be there to use. And they can always change him up and say that he can mimic powers too.
No changes, don't make it so he mimic powers. :o

[<Mr.Spider>]

Mo more man crying, and better balance of love story v. actual movie plot.

[SpeterMan3]

Mo more man crying, and better balance of love story v. actual movie plot.
What's wrong with man crying?????
:waa::waa::waa::waa::waa::waa:

[colonel sanders]

No changes, don't make it so he mimic powers. :o

What's wrong with making changes? It worked for the Dark Knight.

Anyway, what would be more interesting about the fight wouldn't be the physical part but the pyschological part. I should have made that more clear about him turning into the villains and it being a sweet fight. He could turn into past characters that peter had conflicts with and mess with his head, like Green Goblin and Harry. Look at the final battle with Green Goblin. What was so cool about it was Norman messing with spidey talking about how he was gonna kill mj and stuff.

[Octoberist]

Movie Spidey has Spider-Sense?:oldrazz:

I think for once, he should say "My Spider-Senses are tingling" as a nod.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

I think for once, he should say "My Spider-Senses are tingling" as a nod.

:up: Even Venom said it. :sym:

[topdog1]

One thing I don't understand is, if they want multiple villains, then use one up to start the film! Why does a villain have to be part of the plot? Open the movie with a throw down brawl on the streets of NY with Electro or Rhino trying to rob a bank. Have Spider-Man win and leave the villain webbed up. The coolness factor would be satisfied. Fans would be satisfied and the story could take its time developing after an action packed opening. It would eat a big part of the budget but it would also give many cool "trailer clip" sequences. I'm longing for a film that keeps some action from the heart of a film out of the trailers. SM3's budget featured four major brawls and one major rescue sequence. Move one of those brawls up front. The Lethal Weapon sequels opened in such a fashion. Blowing up a building or taking out a flame throwing armored man had nothing to do with the plot but was a great way to open. It defines character and provides free reign on action.

[SpaceWay2009]

One thing I don't understand is, if they want multiple villains, then use one up to start the film! Why does a villain have to be part of the plot? Open the movie with a throw down brawl on the streets of NY with Electro or Rhino trying to rob a bank. Have Spider-Man win and leave the villain webbed up. The coolness factor would be satisfied. Fans would be satisfied and the story could take its time developing after an action packed opening. It would eat a big part of the budget but it would also give many cool "trailer clip" sequences. I'm longing for a film that keeps some action from the heart of a film out of the trailers. SM3's budget featured four major brawls and one major rescue sequence. Move one of those brawls up front. The Lethal Weapon sequels opened in such a fashion. Blowing up a building or taking out a flame throwing armored man had nothing to do with the plot but was a great way to open. It defines character and provides free reign on action.I agree with you on an action scene in the beginning. But, I don't think they should have villains in the beginning just for the sake of action. They should contribute to the plot in some ways, maybe be used in future installments, plots, or later in the story.

[SpeterMan3]

I agree with you on an action scene in the beginning. But, I don't think they should have villains in the beginning just for the sake of action. They should contribute to the plot in some ways, maybe be used in future installments, plots, or later in the story.
I agree, unless it's a very small villain that no one cares about or a villain that just can't hold a movie. If it's a villain that a lot of people care about, they might possibly feel like they were wasted and should have been developed if used at all.

[topdog1]

I agree, unless it's a very small villain that no one cares about or a villain that just can't hold a movie. If it's a villain that a lot of people care about, they might possibly feel like they were wasted and should have been developed if used at all.

The Rhino certainly fits that description. What about the Shocker? Spider-Man has a ton of villains that they can use that can never hold an entire film on their own.

[SpeterMan3]

The Rhino certainly fits that description. What about the Shocker? Spider-Man has a ton of villains that they can use that can never hold an entire film on their own.
Very true.

[Venom 1988]

What's wrong with making changes? It worked for the Dark Knight. Of course theres gonna be changes, theres always changes. But if the changes your talking about about the Dark Knight is something like Joker's skin, thats nothing compared to changeing someone's power set. The point of Chameleon is that he is not a physical fighter with strength powers.

[colonel sanders]

Of course theres gonna be changes, theres always changes. But if the changes your talking about about the Dark Knight is something like Joker's skin, thats nothing compared to changeing someone's power set. The point of Chameleon is that he is not a physical fighter with strength powers.

I see where you are coming from, but like I said the interesting part of the fight would be the pyschological part of the fight and seeing all previous actors again. That's why it would be a sweet fight. But they would probably end up giving chameleon some physical ability and possibly even have him mimic powers so there would be a decent brawl too. That's just how they have to make blockbuster movies.

And they did more than just change the joker's skin. They gave him a cut smile, and he no longer used gags weapons or his famous laughing venom. Instead he just used guns, bombs, and knives. That's a huge change.

[Venom 1988]

^^^
No its not. They went closer to how Joker was in his first couple of appearences in the comics, sans the scar.

[bullets]

They could really tone down on everything being so sentimental this time. The villians don't need to be sympathetic . I want to see the sinister six storyline built up over the next couple films. A villian at the begining is a good idea but they should come back into the story at another point.

I'd like to see SM4 and 5 filmed together so at the end of 4 we get a cliffhanger. Screen reads " To be continued" in true comic fashion.

[colonel sanders]

^^^
No its not. They went closer to how Joker was in his first couple of appearences in the comics, sans the scar.

He still used joker venom to kill people in his early appearances and not by cutting up their face with a knife like in the Dark Knight.

[Dark Victory]

. No Venom or symbiote. They ****ed up the character, simple as that. Let's just move on

. Cool opening scene

. No sympathetic villain


. A villain that can hold his own

. No more constant *****ing from MJ

. Get Kirsten Dunst back in shape. She looked great in 1, imo, but I thought she looked awful in 2 and 3.

[co2]

Only two major villains. A cameo of a thrid or fourth would be fine. I would like a Lizard/Kraven combo...but if it goes another route, I'm not gonna cry. If they do have Lizard, I want Raimi to make him creepy. If he can make Ock scary, he can make Lizard a nightmare.

Know what I can see Raimi maybe doing? A death of Gwen Stacy story. I can see him incorporating that somehow.

I can definitively say what I don't want. That would be
1. No dancing.
2. No Goblin (we are done with that story).
3. No symbiote (see above)

[Milu]

Danny Elfman
NO ressurections (they totally cheapened Norman's death in the comics by bringing him back).
Spidey keeping his mask during the final fight.
Avoid Spidey's identity getting revealed.

[SpaceWay2009]

I want...Spider-Man's mask to stay on while fighting, no dancing, cool fight scenes, Lizard/Kraven, Spider-Man's identity is not revealed, and just a good, plausible plot. :D

[Eggyman]

I'd like MJ to STFU, stop bed hopping, and just support Pete so he can go out and kick some arse. I understand that Pete needs drama in his personal life, but I just don't want it to always be about the ging giving him sh**.

[zeptron]

-Two villains

-For the movie not to focus too much on Peter and MJ's relationship

-If the Lizard isn't the villain I don't any sympathetic villains

-No symbiotes

-Keep Spidey from taking off his mask during the middle of a fight. Why Raimi likes doing this? I have no idea

-For the villain not to find out who Spider-man is

-None of the villains turn nice at the end(If Lizard is in then this is an exception)

-For Spidey to say "My spider-sense is tingling."

-For Spidey to crack jokes and annoy the villains. He does this in the video games based off the movies so why not in the actual movie? This is one thing that really bugs me.

-A fight scene that's violent just like the final battle between Spidey and GG. I cannot watch that without cringing. Why didn't the other two have fight scenes that violent? Did soccer moms complain about it?

[co2]

I want...Spider-Man's mask to stay on while fighting, no dancing, cool fight scenes, Lizard/Kraven, Spider-Man's identity is not revealed, and just a good, plausible plot. :D

If Lizard is a villain, I think it's likely that Connors will learn Spider-man's identity...if he's the only one, that suits me fine.

[NewYorkSpider]

I kinda hope they introduce Ned Leeds at the Bugle. This way they can stretch is character out for him to become HobGoblin in SM5. I know a lot of people don't want another goblin, but he's one of my favorite villains.

edit: Or even if Kingsley is introduced as a fasion designer for Gwen

[Spiderine]

I kinda hope they introduce Ned Leeds at the Bugle. This way they can stretch is character out for him to become HobGoblin in SM5. I know a lot of people don't want another goblin, but he's one of my favorite villains.

edit: Or even if Kingsley is introduced as a fasion designer for Gwen
I am all for that setup. Would love to see other supporting characters brought in for future stories instead of just a minor cameo. I have nothing against seeing Hobby in a future movie beyond SM4.