Drag me to hell's effect on Spidey 4?

[JerseyJoker]

I dont know about anyone else, but do you see or read in interviews a new and revitalized Riami since this film started to happen?

I always thought it was a bad idea for him to jump from Spidey 1 to 2 to 3. Hell there is a reason that Nolan takes breaks inbetween each Batman film.

Seeing Riami go back to his love of horror, the thing that got him into film, the one genre he really has a great passion for i think will speak well about how he tackles Spidey 4. Between 2 and 3, he really got burnt out and almost tired of the process. So going indy, go small and going horror...maybe Drag Me to Hell might be the best thing to happen in regards to his take on Spidey 4 then anything else.

I read interviews with him in different mags and you can just tell he has almost a new sense of where he wants to go since he got to go back to the horror world. And the talk about DMTH has been good, the right mix of scary and funny...what he did so well with the Evil Dead trilogy.

Does anyone else pick up this maybe connection to the effect DMTH will have on Riami going into shooting Spidey 4? or is it just me? :spidey:

[SpeterMan3]

I feel it

[Spider-ManHero12]

Honestly, I think it's having a big effect on him. :spidey::up:

[Wesley Dodds]

Makes you think twice about the interview he gave a while back, where he mentioned his interest in using Morbius as a villain in the next movie, no?

[SpeterMan3]

Makes you think twice about the interview he gave a while back, where he mentioned his interest in using Morbius as a villain in the next movie, no?
Hmm... good point.

[JerseyJoker]

Which i wouldn't have a problem with at all. If its not a character forced on him, let him feel free to choose.

I think he can do great things with Lizard, even though its not a true to form horror style character like Morbius, but Riami can take that character show the transformation between normal and loving father and husband, Doc. Connors and then how he is transformed into this creature...this Lizard. Almost the gothic take of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

Im also not saying, his take on each villain or situation has to be in the roots of horror, im just saying it looks like he might have a new sense or purpose towards tackling this film, a new life in him since doing DMTH.

[Symbiote666]

I very much doubt the nature of DMTH will have Raimi make SM4 darker/more horror related.

I hope that it's success will remind him the value or making a quality movie instead of feeling he must reach for the stars and pander to every single audience.

[Spider-Fan83]

I kinda just hope he finds a role for Alison Lohman in it

[DACrowe]

BC, then? ;) :p

[storyteller]

Spiderman should never ever be horror. The Doc Ock scene is as much horror as this series should get.

[ross2287]

Morbius would be cool if they were still doing 4 and 5 together but now I don't know. I'd rather just have Lizard and maybe Kraven in 4.

[LightningFlash]

The movie looks like a pile of crap.

[TheSlag]

Spiderman should never ever be horror. The Doc Ock scene is as much horror as this series should get.

So you think the horror of fighting a Man/Lizard genetic mutation gone wrong, a villain that may not only beat you to death but could possibly eat you alive.... has no "horror" value?

It should, very much so, IMO.

[Eric Brooks]

I very much doubt the nature of DMTH will have Raimi make SM4 darker/more horror related.

I hope that it's success will remind him the value or making a quality movie instead of feeling he must reach for the stars and pander to every single audience.

agreed on all accounts

what I hated about 3 was that you could blatantly tell in parts he was trying to get a certain demographic into theater seats and that demographic wasn't the same one he was going for with the first two films.

[LightningFlash]

It will show that Raimi still sucks as a director.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ BS completely. Have you seen his horror films? people worship them. If you don't like Sam or these movies, then why are you here?

[LightningFlash]

Because I am bored obviously, haha.

But people only "worship" these films because 90% of Americans and everyone else have no mind of their own. They will do everything that other people do.

Sam Raimi is no Darren Aronofsky though.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Are you saying that people only worship these films because other people do? I disagree, honestly. I mean, yeah, people do follow other people alot, but still. That's just defenitely not the case if you ask me.

[LightningFlash]

I do believe that, yes.

I watched all three Evil Dead movies and I was never a fan of them. They don't seem like "horror" movies to me either, but then again, I have never truly seen a scary movie. Or maybe I have, but they don't seem scary to me.

But Thomas Haden Church is hosting a western marathon on AMC...just a side note, because THC is a great actor.

[Adrian89]

Have you seen his horror films? people worship them.
Probably because they have bad taste in Horror?:oldrazz:

I'm kidding. But I have never found those Evil Dead movies intriguing, exciting, terrifying or anything. Believe me, I've seen much better Horror Movies!

[TheScarecrow]

Sam Raimi is no Darren Aronofsky though.

Well that's good, he's never tried to be!

[Eric Brooks]

I love the Evil Dead films

however, Drag Me To Hell looks like every other horror film that's been released in the past decade

it's only because it's Raimi that I'm interested in checking it out

[TheScarecrow]

From what I've read, it's been praised by every critic for being completely unlike every other horror film that's been released in the past decade.

[Eric Brooks]

From what I've read, it's been praised by every critic for being completely unlike every other horror film that's been released in the past decade.

that'd be sweet if they released a commercial with the voice over dude saying exactly that "Completley unlike every other horror film that's been released in the past decade"

:word:

[Eric Brooks]

still, there's only 1 way to find out..........

[LightningFlash]

Well that's good, he's never tried to be!

He's never tried to be a brilliant director?

I know this already.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm kidding. But I have never found those Evil Dead movies intriguing, exciting, terrifying or anything. Believe me, I've seen much better Horror Movies! Halloween (1978) is my favorite horror film fo all time, but the Evil Dead films are scary, gross, and suspensful. Just love 'em.

[American_Hobo]

Well Drag Me to Hell looks so stupid and ridiculous so I hope Spiderman 4 looks nothing like Drag Me to Hell.

[Leenie]

Some of these comments make me sad. To each their own, I guess.

I, for one, am really looking forward to Drag Me to Hell. I think it looks like a classic horror movie (but in a really good way). Also, it's Sam Raimi ... And from what I've read in pretty much ALL of the reviews, it's classic Sam Raimi. That's enough for me to buy a movie ticket with enthusiasm.

As for Drag Me to Hell's influence on Spider-Man 4 ... Well, I don't think that it will influence it, per se. I do, however, think it's good that Raimi directed a movie between Spider-Man 3 and Spider-Man 4. It seems that this break has rejuvenated Raimi's enthusiasm with Spider-Man. I hope that enthusiasm results in a fastastic movie. :)

[dark_b]

Well Drag Me to Hell looks so stupid and ridiculous so I hope Spiderman 4 looks nothing like Drag Me to Hell.
what a strange comparison :huh:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well Drag Me to Hell looks so stupid and ridiculous How?

[American_Hobo]

LOL...I'm getting flamed for saying that Drag Me to Hell looks lame.

I dont know, it just looks like one of those really lame horror movies. ( Boogeyman and Grudge,American version of Ring.......)

[Adrian89]

Haha, I actually enjoyed The Ring & The Grudge.

[Spider-ManHero12]

LOL...I'm getting flamed for saying that Drag Me to Hell looks lame. Nahh, I'm not falming you, I was just asking why. Personally, I CAN"T WAIT for the movie. :up:

[LightningFlash]

Looks like another sad attempt to be scary.

I have never seen ONE scary movie.

People try too hard to the point where it becomes laughable.

[STR1]

Looks like another sad attempt to be scary.

I have never seen ONE scary movie.

People try too hard to the point where it becomes laughable.

That is true! I think the best scary movies are the ones that don't try to be so scary and keep you suspense all the time.

[[A]]

Spiderman should never ever be horrorIt should never be a teen romance/dramedy either.. but it is. Sometimes.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Looks like another sad attempt to be scary.

I have never seen ONE scary movie.

People try too hard to the point where it becomes laughable. YOu don't find ANY movies scary? Not even Exorcist, Halloween, Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Texas CHainsaw Massacre, or any others?

[LightningFlash]

YOu don't find ANY movies scary? Not even Exorcist, Halloween, Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Texas CHainsaw Massacre, or any others?

Nope.

Exorcist might have been the closest, but still not that scary.

I don't know, I'm just weird I suppose. I don't get scared very easily, and I don't get cold during winter, lol.

[TheBat812]

It will show that Raimi still sucks as a director.
He's not at all a bad director. Some of the things he does in Evil Dead II are brilliant and extremely interesting filmmaking. I want to see what he does with Spidey 4 even though Spidey 3 was atrocious.

[dark_b]

Looks like another sad attempt to be scary.

I have never seen ONE scary movie.

People try too hard to the point where it becomes laughable.i think it is not.

i think raimi after so many years made a movie that he likes. a movie where he feels home. this can only mean good for spiderman.

lets hope the guy will ralize that peter dancing like an idiot and MJ crying every second is not a movie for a summer with the title SPIDERMAN

[Eric Brooks]

lets hope the guy will ralize that peter dancing like an idiot and MJ crying every second is not a movie for a summer with the title SPIDERMAN

qft

or even asking for the cookies with the nuts


my god spiderman3 sucked a choad

[shinlyle]

Looks like another sad attempt to be scary.

I have never seen ONE scary movie.

People try too hard to the point where it becomes laughable.

After reading the vast majority of your posts on this board, the only thing I find terrifying is something that you would actually like.

Personally, I think DMTH looks awesome, and the critics actually seem to agree. Hoenstly, I haven't seen a horror movie that I really enjoyed since "The Descent". Before that, I think it was the "Dawn of the Dead" remake.

Good horror is so rare nowadays that not giving a well-recieved Sam Raimi horror flick a chance seems beyond stupid. Of course, I can see why people wouldn't want to see it...the premise has been done before (see "Thinner").

[shinlyle]

As for Drag me to Hell's affect on Spidey 4, I can't really see any. DMTH could be total crap, and Spidey 4 could be awesome, or vice versa.

The only affect I can see it honestly having is that some popel who were turned off of Raimi by Spider-Man 3, may find it easier to trust him after seeing him return to his roots and do well.

Even then, as a supporter of Raimi and SM4, I'll openly admit that a fourth film being good or bad has nothing to do with how this film does.

[Eric Brooks]

yes, I can easily see the response to this effecting Spidey 4's numbers

with Spiderman 3 leaving a bad taste in people's mouths (and if DMTH does poorly) that's 2 bad films back to back

yea, I could see people basing their opinions on Raimi's next project (be it Spiderman or whatever) on whether or not THIS film does good

[Metal Spidey]

Here's an even better question. What was Spider-Man 3's effect on Drag Me to Hell?

[Construct]

If the suspense and effects as scary as they should be in a (PG-13) horror film, I hope that can translate at least into making the Lizard as frightening as can be allowed in a PG-13 flick.

[Symbiote666]

Spider-Man isn't a horror movie, so it's not going to be.

[The Chris]

It's effect is going to be the same that the prestige had on the dark knight. It's going to give Spider-Man 4 a rejuvenated and driven Sam Raimi. Dude just got a well deserved long overdue break and made something new and seems awesome. Now he's gonna come back and give us the Spidey we expect.

[luke1234]

It's effect is going to be the same that the prestige had on the dark knight. It's going to give Spider-Man 4 a rejuvenated and driven Sam Raimi. Dude just got a well deserved long overdue break and made something new and seems awesome. Now he's gonna come back and give us the Spidey we expect.

couldnt agree more. Hes got newly found confidence and some momentum heading into this sequel.

[mclay18]

I hope that since Raimi had a much tighter schedule (and had only a fraction of the budgets he enjoyed for the Spider-Man trilogy), he could try and keep costs down himself. On a Cinemagic interview promoting DMTH, he was talking about having to relearn how to improvise and make quick decisions (and using both animatronic, minimal CGI and makeup effects). And he reiterated that he had final cut on DMTH, something he hadn't had since The Evil Dead (and will enjoy on SM-4).

Maybe for SM-4 we'll get a leaner, more cost-efficient pic. I would love to see more matte paintings and practical effects in SM-4 as opposed to some unnecessary CGI.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

After just coming back from seeing this this morning, all I can say is Raimi has definitely returned to his B-horror movie roots and I would find it very disheartening if he passed on The Lizard.

Carnage would be perfect too just because I think if Raimi could redo "Spider-Man 3" all over again, we would've gotten a more menacing and terrifying Venom, and some of the scenes that were cut show that.

So, please Sam, don't pass on The Lizard.

[luke1234]

Im hoping he does cut down on the use of CGI and use more practical effects for Spider-man 4. But then again when you have a giant lizard running around, its kinda hard to do.

[Symbiote666]

If they get their design right most of it could be done with an actor in prosthetics.

Cut Venom scenes? Do tell Ninja.

[TheFuture]

Well, Raimi has enjoyed the full creative freedom he has had on Drag Me To Hell, he's been quoted on that. Just as long as Sony really are increasing his creative control on S-M4, I think Spidey fans will be seeing something very special come Summer 2011. :up:

[NinjaTurtleFan]

If they get their design right most of it could be done with an actor in prosthetics.

Cut Venom scenes? Do tell Ninja.

There was a scene where Peter sees the symbiote looking at him the mirror (it was shown in one of the TV-spots or trailers) I believe and had the symbiote all over Pete's body and face and you saw these wicked, jagged teeth coming out of his mouth. If anyone has a screenshot of this, it was cut from the theatrical film.

But I feel Lizard should be a mix of animatronics and CGI like they did in "Jurassic Park." However, Raimi I feel could use prosthetics and makeup when Connors is changing at first and make it really horrific and terrifying using loud sounds, shadows, and lots of quick close-ups ala like he did in "Drag Me."

[mclay18]

I do think Sony, Arad and Ziskin will have some say in the villains picked for SM-4, since they are responsible for funding and getting the pic off the ground. But they've learned their lesson on SM-3 and toned it down a bit.

[the dmg]

I do think Sony, Arad and Ziskin will have some say in the villains picked for SM-4, since they are responsible for funding and getting the pic off the ground. But they've learned their lesson on SM-3 and toned it down a bit.

This was what the problem with SM3 was, IMO. They should have trusted Raimi to do what he originally wanted with the third film, but he had to throw in Venom because they told him to. I'm glad that he's had that break inbetween these films, as it's always a good idea to take a break from a franchise.

[Hobgoblin]

Taking a break between films is probably a good thing for Sam. Then again, he literally started shooting scenes for the SM2 train fight after the first film was released and SM2 is the darling of the series, so who knows? Still, nearly 4 films into the series must be tough to keep the passion alive, so a little break cant hurt.

[Symbiote666]

There was a scene where Peter sees the symbiote looking at him the mirror (it was shown in one of the TV-spots or trailers) I believe and had the symbiote all over Pete's body and face and you saw these wicked, jagged teeth coming out of his mouth. If anyone has a screenshot of this, it was cut from the theatrical film.

Ahh yeah, I remember that. Not really Venom footage, but foreshadowing.

[TheWrathOfGod]

Deadites, there will be deadites in SM4.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/7269/henrietta.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/my.php?image=henrietta.jpg)

[shinlyle]

Well, I saw "Drag me to Hell" this weekend, and I'lls ay this, I wanted to actually walk right back in and watch it again. If there had been a showing going on at 11:00pm, I would have done so, and not gotten home until 1 or 2 am. It was that good. B-movie goodness, and the best old lady fight since AoD.

Personally, I think that, if Raimi can keep this kind of passion in his next Spider-Man film, we're in for a treat!!!:woot:

[snakeinthegear]

Agreed.

[LightningFlash]

Saw it.

Very "bleh" movie.

Some good parts; but still more funny than scary.

Eric Kripke oughta direct a horror film instead of writing one.

[Goran]

I liked the cemetery scene in "Drag me to hell". Maybe they can create a similar set and mood for "Spider-man 4", e.g. when spidey digs himself out of his grave after being buried by Kraven :)

[Adrian89]

I think this movie wasn't that bad, it was quite ok!;)

[Eric Brooks]

Well, Raimi has enjoyed the full creative freedom he has had on Drag Me To Hell, he's been quoted on that. Just as long as Sony really are increasing his creative control on S-M4, I think Spidey fans will be seeing something very special come Summer 2011. :up:

lets hope so

[Reikowolf]

Huge Raimi fan since I was a kid and finally saw drag me to hell, I've got a pretty busy schedule.

loved it so much.

It's great to see this type of horror movie, where the director isn't trying to impress the audience by scaring them at every turn but instead having fun with the project and telling a story.

In the last 10 years I've seen such a decline in Horror movies to the point where everything is a rehash of the last thing that came out. We've even mined asian horror to the point where we need to watch 'voyeristic' style movies such as 'REC' or "SAW' to make a genre entertaining again.


Many of the newer horror directors and some of the older ones should take a page from Raimi, not only did it feel like an 80's horror movie, but it was a fun ride. A great mix of suspense, scares, comedy and spectacle... and original, which is a hard commodity in Hollywood now

Raimi's style has become very refined, he has taken a lot from working on the Spider-Man movies and its quickly apparent that he had very little technically issues with this project and was able to focus on just having fun with it. Less is more as he doesn't use filters to create mood but instead utilizes classic dutch angles and professional sound design, giving inanimate objects personality, the very thing that made him noticed back in the 80's

I hope this has helped him take some of the edge off of spider-man and even learn to love the source material again.

I'd be willing to wait a bit longer for the next SM movie if it results in more Raimi horror.

[Dark Victory]

Im hoping he does cut down on the use of CGI and use more practical effects for Spider-man 4. But then again when you have a giant lizard running around, its kinda hard to do.


Agreed. The CGI Spider-Man looked terrible and still looks terrible now. For Lizard, I could see a combination of cgi and make-up.


Anyway, it's good to hear Drag Me to Hell's great. I love Sam's Evil Dead films so I'll definitely try to catch it before it's pulled out of theaters.

[Retroman]

UPDATE

Drag Me To Hell's effect is starting to show on SM4 with Raimi switching director of photography Bill Pope (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0691084/) for Peter Deming (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005687/).

From Variety:

Marsh, Best has signed d.p. Florian Hoffmeister (AMC's "The Prisoner"), costume designer Catherine Thomas ("Whip It"), production designer James Merifield (BBC's "Little Dorrit") and editor Joel Plotch ("Lakeview Terrace"). Marsh, Best bookings: producers Rudd Simmons on HBO's "Boardwalk Empire" and Ed Cathell on David Schwimmer's "Trust"; production designers Rick Heinrichs on Joe Johnston's "Captain America," John Myhre on Rob Marshall's "Pirates of the Caribbean 4" and Carol Spier on Jim Sheridan's "Dream House"; d.p. Peter Deming on Sam Raimi's "Spider-Man 4"; costume designer Hope Hanafin on Miguel Arteta's "Cedar Rapids"; and editor Greg Hayden on Paul Weitz's "Meet the Fockers" sequel.Source: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118010817.html

I missed out on seeing Drag Me To Hell when it was in theaters so i have no idea if this is a good decision or not. However i do plan on renting the dvd soon.:o

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

I kinda just hope he finds a role for Alison Lohman in it

that would explain the well known actress audtioning for the role of felicia rumors that I am hearing about. Then again, it's just a rumor.

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

I do think Sony, Arad and Ziskin will have some say in the villains picked for SM-4, since they are responsible for funding and getting the pic off the ground. But they've learned their lesson on SM-3 and toned it down a bit.

someone give this person a spidey treat, we finally got a bingo here :)

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

There was a scene where Peter sees the symbiote looking at him the mirror (it was shown in one of the TV-spots or trailers) I believe and had the symbiote all over Pete's body and face and you saw these wicked, jagged teeth coming out of his mouth. If anyone has a screenshot of this, it was cut from the theatrical film.

But I feel Lizard should be a mix of animatronics and CGI like they did in "Jurassic Park." However, Raimi I feel could use prosthetics and makeup when Connors is changing at first and make it really horrific and terrifying using loud sounds, shadows, and lots of quick close-ups ala like he did in "Drag Me."

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=208453706&blogId=367007853

its all in my blog including scenes that I was there for and you wont find anywhere on the internet. I am referring to the central park scene involving john jameson and a part during the parade when peter reveals to a little boy that he is spider-man scene.

[Spider-ManHero12]

UPDATE

Drag Me To Hell's effect is starting to show on SM4 with Raimi switching director of photography Bill Pope (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0691084/) for Peter Deming (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005687/).

From Variety:

Source: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118010817.html

I missed out on seeing Drag Me To Hell when it was in theaters so i have no idea if this is a good decision or not. However i do plan on renting the dvd soon.:o Interesting.

[Fresh Prince]

So will SM4 be darker but with dark comedy mixed in with it l;ike Drag Me To Hell?....And also super natural creatures like Morbious or that demon villian(forget his name), Spiderman takes on?

[rocco2216]

that would explain the well known actress audtioning for the role of felicia rumors that I am hearing about. Then again, it's just a rumor.


But would Allison Momon be considered "well known?" I suppose if she is in Spider-Man 4, I wonder if she would be Black Cat or just plain old Felicia Hardy.

[rocco2216]

someone give this person a spidey treat, we finally got a bingo here :)


Which means no more than two villains and one of them being the Lizard since they know that most fans want to see the Lizard in 4.

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

So will SM4 be darker but with dark comedy mixed in with it l;ike Drag Me To Hell?....And also super natural creatures like Morbious or that demon villian(forget his name), Spiderman takes on?

its already been confirmed that morbious is out plus he isnt a ny centric villain.

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

But would Allison Momon be considered "well known?" I suppose if she is in Spider-Man 4, I wonder if she would be Black Cat or just plain old Felicia Hardy.

she is pretty damn well known with movies like white orleander, big fish, matchstickmen, where the truth lies, and so many others. Sam always loves to use actors he has worked with in the past as well. rosemary harris and jk simmons from the gift ring a bell ?

the person who i heard it from said felicia, no idea if its felicia hardy or black cat then again its just probably a BS rumor.

[rocco2216]

she is pretty damn well known with movies like white orleander, big fish, matchstickmen, where the truth lies, and so many others. Sam always loves to use actors he has worked with in the past as well. rosemary harris and jk simmons from the gift ring a bell ?

the person who i heard it from said felicia, no idea if its felicia hardy or black cat then again its just probably a BS rumor.

Cause she's not in either scenario that you've heard. :word: Cause she's not in either scenario that you've heard. :word: Plus I heard that's one reason Kirsten Dunst signed on was cause there was no other girl but her for Peter.

[rocco2216]

she is pretty damn well known with movies like white orleander, big fish, matchstickmen, where the truth lies, and so many others. Sam always loves to use actors he has worked with in the past as well. rosemary harris and jk simmons from the gift ring a bell ?

the person who i heard it from said felicia, no idea if its felicia hardy or black cat then again its just probably a BS rumor.

Cause she's not in either scenario that you've heard. :word: Plus I heard that's one reason Kirsten Dunst signed on was cause there was no other girl but her for Peter.

[FaT_tONle]

Wasn't very impressed with Drag Me to Hell but I could see Raimi finding a role for Lohman. No doubt she would have replaced Dunst had she walked.

[Oscorp]

Okey rocco2216, you've learnt to multiquote. Next task: click the edit button ;)

[Jick09]

UPDATE

Drag Me To Hell's effect is starting to show on SM4 with Raimi switching director of photography Bill Pope (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0691084/) for Peter Deming (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005687/).

From Variety:

Source: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118010817.html

I missed out on seeing Drag Me To Hell when it was in theaters so i have no idea if this is a good decision or not. However i do plan on renting the dvd soon.:o
What exactly a director of photography does?
Does anyone know?

[AnorexicBatman]

Drag Me To Hell

Hell = Devil
Devil = Mephisto in MARVEL
Mephisto + Spider-Man = One More Day

[Fresh Prince]

So Mephisto will be the main villian in SM4?....So will the film be dark, like Evil Dead dark or something?...Or Drag Me To Hell dark?

[AnorexicBatman]

You didn't get the joke did you? (Look up One More Day; Immense negative reaction from fans)
Also, please no grim-dark. Same tone as Iron Man. I want movie Spider-Man to be happy and make jokes and stuff.

[Oscorp]

So Mephisto will be the main villian in SM4?....So will the film be dark, like Evil Dead dark or something?...Or Drag Me To Hell dark?

:doh:

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

What exactly a director of photography does?
Does anyone know?

to make the long story short the DOP is responsible for finding the right angles that will fit the setting on the film. Like for example... The dark knight film has a very dark themed setting and tone so you can give credit for the DOP for that job. I think they did an amazing job in drag me to hell and captured the right settings so we shall see how it works with spider-man 4. They also use various pieces of equipment and lighting to set the right tones. Also in charge for locations as to where it will fit the tone of the directors vision. They also have very limited time to work on a film so they depend on the DOP to do all of that. Hope that helps out.

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

Drag Me To Hell

Hell = Devil
Devil = Mephisto in MARVEL
Mephisto + Spider-Man = One More Day

Mephisto is not a spider-man villain nor a classic one so scratch him off. He did have a huge role in OMD but, not a choice. For ghostrider, it would make sense but for a live action spider-man film very very doubtful...

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

Cause she's not in either scenario that you've heard. :word: Plus I heard that's one reason Kirsten Dunst signed on was cause there was no other girl but her for Peter.

where in the hell did u get that from ? Besides dont you know that love triangles the new thing now lol Twilight, iron man 2, im not gonna name more, u know the rest lol

[Dragon]

to make the long story short the DOP is responsible for finding the right angles that will fit the setting on the film. Like for example... The dark knight film has a very dark themed setting and tone so you can give credit for the DOP for that job. I think they did an amazing job in drag me to hell and captured the right settings so we shall see how it works with spider-man 4. They also use various pieces of equipment and lighting to set the right tones. Also in charge for locations as to where it will fit the tone of the directors vision. They also have very limited time to work on a film so they depend on the DOP to do all of that. Hope that helps out.


That's not entirely correct. The "DP" doesn't choose camera angles. That's the director's job. But once the choices are made, the DP, working with the gaffer, etc. make the shots work in practical form. Making sure the lighting is correct, the proper lenses and film stocks are selected to get the needed composition, figuring out how to shoot in a given location, that unlike a studio set, has no walls that can be moved around and so forth.

Of course, people are different and have different ways of working. I've certainly worked with directors who because of their uncertainty or laziness will leave it up to a skilled DP to choose camera angles, and many a DP has gone on to be a director themselves.

[rocco2216]

where in the hell did u get that from ? Besides dont you know that love triangles the new thing now lol Twilight, iron man 2, im not gonna name more, u know the rest lol



I heard the Kirsten Dunst thing from Infamous_Emijayne. I wouldn't be surprised if it was true lol. Plus I thought Sam didn't want Gwen in 3 did he? I would think the only love triangle Sam would go for if it's two women is Felicia Hardy/Black Cat.

[NinjaCarm]

Spider-Man 4 will not be good.

[rocco2216]

Spider-Man 4 will not be good.


How do you know? I know it's not common for the fourth film to be good but I look at Live Free or Die Hard as an example, and Terminator Salvation. Now a lot didn't like Terminator Salvation it seems but it was better than 3 I thought. And also they have Gary Ross writing the script so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

[NinjaCarm]

How do you know? I know it's not common for the fourth film to be good but I look at Live Free or Die Hard as an example, and Terminator Salvation. Now a lot didn't like Terminator Salvation it seems but it was better than 3 I thought. And also they have Gary Ross writing the script so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Because Sam Raimi is back that's how I know.

But you are right, Live Free or Die Hard was good as a fourth film.

[rocco2216]

Because Sam Raimi is back that's how I know.

But you are right, Live Free or Die Hard was good as a fourth film.


Did you like Drag Me To Hell? Cause whatever edge he gained from that he's using for Spider-Man 4 so who knows. :yay: And I consider Live Free or Die Hard the second best of the Die Hard franchise after the first one.

[Jick09]

Drag Me To Hell

Hell = Devil
Devil = Mephisto in MARVEL
Mephisto + Spider-Man = One More Day
lol
Imagination goes far...

to make the long story short the DOP is responsible for finding the right angles that will fit the setting on the film. Like for example... The dark knight film has a very dark themed setting and tone so you can give credit for the DOP for that job. I think they did an amazing job in drag me to hell and captured the right settings so we shall see how it works with spider-man 4. They also use various pieces of equipment and lighting to set the right tones. Also in charge for locations as to where it will fit the tone of the directors vision. They also have very limited time to work on a film so they depend on the DOP to do all of that. Hope that helps out.


That's not entirely correct. The "DP" doesn't choose camera angles. That's the director's job. But once the choices are made, the DP, working with the gaffer, etc. make the shots work in practical form. Making sure the lighting is correct, the proper lenses and film stocks are selected to get the needed composition, figuring out how to shoot in a given location, that unlike a studio set, has no walls that can be moved around and so forth.

Of course, people are different and have different ways of working. I've certainly worked with directors who because of their uncertainty or laziness will leave it up to a skilled DP to choose camera angles, and many a DP has gone on to be a director themselves.
Thank you, guys.

[DACMAN]

Was Drag Me To Hell even any good?

[mclay18]

That's not entirely correct. The "DP" doesn't choose camera angles. That's the director's job. But once the choices are made, the DP, working with the gaffer, etc. make the shots work in practical form. Making sure the lighting is correct, the proper lenses and film stocks are selected to get the needed composition, figuring out how to shoot in a given location, that unlike a studio set, has no walls that can be moved around and so forth.

I'm not surprised Raimi brought in Deming to replace Bill Pope as cinematographer for Spider-Man 4. Perhaps Deming's less expensive than Pope's asking fee is now (since he's technically done four superhero/comic-book movies plus the Matrix trilogy), or maybe Pope just didn't want to do Spidey a third time.

I've also noticed that J. Michael Riva is now the only production designer for Spider-Man 4 (and brought in his own art directors and set decorators as a result). Hopefully the changes keep with continuity but keep the fourth film fresh as a result.

[DACMAN]

Ok. So I finally saw Drag Me To Hell and it was terrible. It was a horrible, horrible, horrible movie. It freaks me out that Raimi is saying he is taking ANYTHING from Drag Me To Hell into the next Spidey movie.

[Venom 1988]

Ok. So I finally saw Drag Me To Hell and it was terrible. It was a horrible, horrible, horrible movie. It freaks me out that Raimi is saying he is taking ANYTHING from Drag Me To Hell into the next Spidey movie.

:huh:


It was terrible because....?

[DACMAN]

Hopefully the changes keep with continuity but keep the fourth film fresh as a result.

Agreed.

[VenomVsSpidey]

:huh:


It was terrible because....?

It was AWESOME. i think he's just trying to crap on raimi...again

[DACMAN]

:huh:


It was terrible because....?

The acting was terrible (Justin Long was ok), the horror wasn't there, the dialogue was terrible, it was cheesy, the ending was insanely predictable, and the special effects were substandard.

Anyone who has seen it can tell you about the scene with blood shooting out of the main characters nose and mouth. It was such a bad scene. She is shooting blood from her nose and mouth, and I mean shooting it, think Adams Family or the Black Knight from Monty Python. When her boss gets covered in her blood he very calmly asks "is it in my mouth?" Not "ARE YOU OK!" Considering she was loosing enough blood to die. Not even "AHHHHH!!!! CALL 911!!!" Just "is it in my mouth? I think it's in my mouth." :whatever:

[American_Hobo]

The acting was terrible (Justin Long was ok), the horror wasn't there, the dialogue was terrible, it was cheesy, the ending was insanely predictable, and the special effects were substandard.

Anyone who has seen it can tell you about the scene with blood shooting out of the main characters nose and mouth. It was such a bad scene. She is shooting blood from her nose and mouth, and I mean shooting it, think Adams Family or the Black Knight from Monty Python. When her boss gets covered in her blood he very calmly asks "is it in my mouth?" Not "ARE YOU OK!" Considering she was loosing enough blood to die. Not even "AHHHHH!!!! CALL 911!!!" Just "is it in my mouth? I think it's in my mouth." :whatever:

Yeah I agree.
Drag Me To Hell was a terrible movie.
Though not as disaster as Dragon Ball Eovlution.
I hope Raimi takes nothing from Take Me To Hell.

[DACMAN]

It was AWESOME. i think he's just trying to crap on raimi...again

:whatever: I liked Spider-Man 1, 2 and 3. I've said that a hundred times. I just think Spidey can be done better. He hasn't even come close to nailing the character of Peter or Spider-Man. And he made ALOT of mistakes in SM3. Everytime I run into you, you try to pick a fight and it's starting to piss me off.

[DACMAN]

Yeah I agree.
Drag Me To Hell was a terrible movie.
Though not as disaster as Dragon Ball Eovlution.
I hope Raimi takes nothing from Take Me To Hell.

Careful. Some people around here take that kind of stuff personal.

[mclay18]

Well, for a $40M budgeted studio picture, Raimi did make a beautifully-shot and mounted film (in some ways it looked better than Spider-Man 3). I pray that Raimi takes some of the practicality he gained back for Drag Me to Hell and applies it in terms of lowering the budget.

And DACMAN, just because Peter Deming worked on Drag Me to Hell doesn't mean he'll ruin Spider-Man 4. If anything, he and Raimi will aim for a similar glossy look Bill Pope did so well for SM-2 and SM-3.

[VenomVsSpidey]

:whatever: I liked Spider-Man 1, 2 and 3. I've said that a hundred times. I just think Spidey can be done better. He hasn't even come close to nailing the character of Peter or Spider-Man. And he made ALOT of mistakes in SM3. Everytime I run into you, you try to pick a fight and it's starting to piss me off.

simply because everytime I see you POST it's about how raimi has done something wrong. about what needs to be fixed...even if it's something you said not too long ago. and THAT is starting to piss ME off. and technically, ARAD & SONY mad alotta mistakes in SM3. raimi just went with them.

[DACMAN]

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you should pick a fight with them every time you see them on the HYPE. That's the kind of crap that gets people banned.

And Raimi directed AND wrote Spider-Man 3. It's not like he was an innocent party in the whole thing. If he didn't think he could do what they wanted well, he should have stepped aside.

[VenomVsSpidey]

[QUOTE=DACMAN;17804330]Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you should pick a fight with them every time you see them on the HYPE. That's the kind of crap that gets people banned.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=331981

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=332027

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=331498

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=331817

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=329640

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=330924

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=330558

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=329681

all raimi bashing threads.....started by a certain poster named DACMAN.

[DACMAN]

Not all those threads beat up on Raimi. And there is nothing in the forum rules that state you must love all things Sam Raimi to post here. Most of those threads simply ask a question. I would like to see some things improved upon in SM4 and as of right now that's all we have to talk about. We don't know who the villain is, we don't know the story, we don't know a thing. So all we can do is talk about villains we'd like to see and improvements we'd like to see. With that said, not everyone was happy with SM3, in fact not everyone was 100% happy with SM1 and 2. If the mods had a problem with any of those threads, which again most where simply asking a question, they'd have shut them down.

If this is how you act when you run into people that disagree with you. You are going to have one heck of a hard life. In none of those threads do I pick a fight. We talk about the topic. Stop. STOP! trying to pick a fight.

[DACMAN]

:D I just saw that you're 18. That seriously changes everything. You're just a kid. You are way to young to be full of this much anger. They're just movies, Raimi is just some guy, it's ok if people don't like his work. You are going to give yourself a heart attack.

[Oscorp]

:D I just saw that you're 18. That seriously changes everything. You're just a kid. You are way to young to be full of this much anger. They're just movies, Raimi is just some guy, it's ok if people don't like his work. You are going to give yourself a heart attack.

To be honest, I was actually surprised that he's 18 and not something like....13 or 14.

[DACMAN]

Well, he could be lying about his age. :D

[The Joker]

Knock if off, guys. Leave him alone.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Agreed.

You guyds may pick on us for defending Raimi, but I think it's just as fair to pick on you guys for hating him if you think it's okay to pick on us for defending him. Can't we just get along?

(Something tells me someone will respond back to me with a certain comment that's been said over and over again.)

[Reikowolf]

I have been a very vocal Raimi supporter on these threads, IMO Drag Me To Hell helped recharge his batteries.

The production of SM3 made it very clear that, unlike SM2, the movie lacked direction and purpose. It felt very by the numbers, ultimately, this is the director's responsibility. Many of the production photos showed a very burnt out Raimi on helm.

I hope that SM4 can be the same caliber as SM2 but with that being said, The Dark Knight has raised the bar, so the same movie won't cut it this time around.

I've seen many posts on the 'dark' aspects that made TDK a success. IMO, it was just great script writing and plot flow that helped TDK put itself in a new standard for Superhero movies. If SM4 has a strong script, then Raimi should be more than capable of making it a reality.

Either way, SM4 seems to be his last swing and I hope he ends it on a high note as I am a fan of Raimi's work.

[DACMAN]

^^ Agreed.

You guyds may pick on us for defending Raimi, but I think it's just as fair to pick on you guys for hating him if you think it's okay to pick on us for defending him. Can't we just get along?



We've never "picked" on you guys for defending him. I like him. I've said that a hundred times. I just think he made a bunch of mistakes and I'm not afraid to point them out.

(Something tells me someone will respond back to me with a certain comment that's been said over and over again.)

Umm....cowabunga?

[DACMAN]

Knock if off, guys. Leave him alone.

In all fairness he's the one that came in here beating his chest and picking a fight.

On a side note, your avatar is fricken awesome.

[Oscorp]

We've never "picked" on you guys for defending him. I like him. I've said that a hundred times. I just think he made a bunch of mistakes and I'm not afraid to point them out.



Umm....cowabunga?

^What he said^

In all fairness he's the one that came in here beating his chest and picking a fight.

On a side note, your avatar is fricken awesome.

^What he said...again^