Why I don't want Cap revived in Avengers

[marvel_freshman]

I really think and hope that The First Avenger: Captain America film is set in the 1940s for half the movie and the other half set in 2011 where Captain America is revived by SHIELD and Nick Fury. I would prefer this idea because The Avengers film shouldn't be all about finding Captain America. If this is so, then the main villain, would have to be a villain of Captain America's. They could just have Captain America become frozen in 1940s then have a time elapse to 2011, where Red Skull has removed his mask and is with HYDRA and Baron Strucker, making the film have 2 villains instead of just the Red Skull. And to make a twist, Baron Strucker is a villain of Nick Fury also, and we know Nick Fury will be in almost every film, so that would be perfect. What do you think?

[Sawyer]

Eeh... i dont think so. I'd say, almost all of the Cap movie should be WWII, except the last five minutes or so, when Fury and his team find him frozen. Half of the movie in present time would be too much IMO.

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah I want to see a full wwII cap movie, the last maybe 5 minutes or so need to be nick finding cap.

[Aesop Rocks]

I think they're doing a full WW2 movie and a surprise after credits scene.

[Adenjo]

I think we'll get a modern opening sequence... Nick Fury & Co on a ship out in the icy waters.... A lot of activity as a large slab of ice is pulled from the waters, a slab of ice where deep within the shield of Capatin America can be seen..

Then we're taken back to WWII.. The Cap/super soldier origin and a classic Captain America takes on the Nazi's (and The red Skull) storyline...

The Avengers (altho hopefully filled with action) could also include the story of how Captain America adapts to this new world...

[marvel_freshman]

I think we'll get a modern opening sequence... Nick Fury & Co on a ship out in the icy waters.... A lot of activity as a large slab of ice is pulled from the waters, a slab of ice where deep within the shield of Capatin America can be seen..

Then we're taken back to WWII.. The Cap/super soldier origin and a classic Captain America takes on the Nazi's (and The red Skull) storyline...

The Avengers (altho hopefully filled with action) could also include the story of how Captain America adapts to this new world...

I really like that idea. Sorta how they did with Iron Man. I prefer this idea. Thanks

[sdc10]

Im glad that Cap is gonna be set entirely during WWII i think the last shot of his body being found or him lying on a table surrounded by Stark, Fury, Thor and Banner would be the perfect cliffhanger to set up the Avengers.

[AnorexicBatman]

^ Make that the first teaser poster!!!

Sam Jackson, RDJ, Ed Norton and Kirk's Dad standing around Captain America's shield

[Burn0utCS]

where's Captain America White at??? Issue 0 doesn't cut it anymore!

[Webhead2006]

I thought they pretty much said the film will be totally ww2. I think it could work out well the whole film takes place in 40s like we all want and it will likely be. The at the end of the film we see cap get frozen and it flashs to modern day and we either see fury or stark or both together and they discover the body. Then the final moment rogers is revived and end scene and done. Then that leads to the opening for avengers.

[FaT_tONle]

This is a very good observation. Avengers shouldn't spend huge amounts of time on Cap recovering in the present day. Plus you'd be stuck with a Cap villain in all likelyhood. They should give themselves more flexibility. Have to revival take place in this film as opposed to wasting ten minutes as an opening sequence in Avengers. Don't you guys want a better opening than SHIELD agents scoping through ice cubes? Remember how lack luster SM3's opening was? I hope that doesn't repeat itself.

[marvel_freshman]

I'm glad someone agrees with me here. I mean I think this is the best way to go for so many reasons. With captain America already revived and kicking in his own film would make a better chance at getting Loki as the main villain in the Avengers, instead of a villain of Captain America's.

[Artistsean]

There was a comic Scott Kollins drew, I think it was called Earth's Mightiest Heroes,
Where it retells the founding of the Avengers. Cap is revived and helps the team but he seems plagued by some secret demons from his past. The first bad guys they fight aren't Cap baddies, but eventually they do face Zemo, who Cap reveals killed Bucky and tried to kill him too.

So the first film can revive Captain America, and have him join the team, and not have the Avengers fight a Cap bad guy...
but it could turn out like the first X-Men movie (with Wolverine hogging the spot light). Cap might end up being the central character and taking up more screen time and plot time than the others.
And pehaps the studio might do this and then think to use a Captain America bad guy and make all three Avengers movies Cap movies co-staring the Avengers.
Just saying its possible.


I say make the first Captain America movie mostly based in the past, then maybe have him get frozen at the end. This could set up Cap's world for a whole 2 hour movie, a world during WWII. Set up his friends, his partner "Bucky" Barnes, set up his origin and his character, then freeze him at the end.
As part of a secret ending of say Iron Man 2 (or after the credits of Captain America, if so we cut to present time) we see Tony Stark and some explorers find Captain America frozen. End.
Then in the first Avengers' film make Cap's story just one of the stories so that it doesn't take center stage, sort of like a side story or a sub plot.
Cap's inner turmoil and displacement in time wouldn't have to take up the film.

The Avengers (first film anyway) should be about five different super heroes coming together, not just about one in particular. Not yet anyway.

[Webhead2006]

Yea this will be interesting to see how they go about this.

[jab1118]

I dont really have a problem with Caps story taking center stage in avengers because i think he has the most interesting story to tell. Now I dont want him to be wolverine to avengers x-men,but I wouldn't mind him being the lead. Im more worried about avengers being to focused on ironman seeing as he will have had 2 movies which in all likeliness will have made the most money

[IronJoe]

I dont really have a problem with Caps story taking center stage in avengers because i think he has the most interesting story to tell. Now I dont want him to be wolverine to avengers x-men,but I wouldn't mind him being the lead. Im more worried about avengers being to focused on ironman seeing as he will have had 2 movies which in all likeliness will have made the most money

Having him in "center stage" doesn't bother me, as long as the Iron Man/Captain America leadership dynamic is addressed - their relationship is very interesting! Both are heroes, but they each have their respective ways to go about achieving goals.

This was played up very well in parts of Civil War and I think it'd translate well to a movie, especially when the Avengers would be a newly formed team - there is opportunity to influence the direction of such a team for both Tony and Cap.

[Artistsean]

I would like the Avenger's first movie to be about the entire team, about why they are needed, and about each character individually.
I'd like each character to get a spot light in the first film. I am just worried, doesn't mean it will happen, but I am worried that the film will focus on Cap's arrival and being in a new time and all that and become a Captain America movie and push other characters like Wasp and Giant Man, maybe even Thor, to the back.
I also don't want it to just be an Iron Man movie either, since he too has his own movies.

[marvel_freshman]

Exactly, It would just be a Captain America and the Avengers film. Which is why cap should be up and kicking in his solo film. Cap could maybe get to know his fellow Avengers as a way to introduce all of them, except Thor.

[Webhead2006]

Hopefully they will have/show capt's and starks friendship and leadership styles. I still say capt be fully ww2, and then at the end we got last few mins of film he is found revived and we see stark/fury there to welcome him into the present day. Then we got avengers were it could be taken place a few months after capts been revived in present day and we go on with the film were everyone who is in it has there time to justice.

[Khemik@L]

Maybe they could revisit the opening sequence of TIH (the one in the artic) and this time they can show the full sequence of Cap's body in the ice instead of a just a teaser. What you guys think about that?

[Wesley Dodds]

Did you watch the same TIH as the rest of us?

[Khemik@L]

Yes But I'm talking about the one on the DVD that was pulled from the final movie. I was thinking since it was not in the final movie they can use it (Preferably reshoot it) in either one of the final scenes in Cap America or the beginning scene in the Avengers

[Wesley Dodds]

Damn. I didnt know that. That sounds like it could work. Gonna have to try to find that.

[Khemik@L]

Having him broken from the ice by the Hulk could be a nice way to start the chain reaction of his discovery by Nick Fury. They do not even have to show Banner trying to commit suicide (That may not have any relevance to the Avengers Plot) but at least have the Hulk break him out the ice.

[Khemik@L]

Damn. I didnt know that. That sounds like it could work. Gonna have to try to find that.

Check Youtube

[Artistsean]

Showing a quick scene of the Hulk causing the finding of Steve's body would be nice, it does show how Nick Fury would have found him, and it is similar to the comic (Namor finding Steve's body) so it works that way too.

Otherwise, why would Nick Fury and Stark find Steve's body?
They could always explain it by saying Stark figured out the trajectory and all that and figured out where Steve might have landed.

I want to see the scene from the Ultimates (where Stark finds the body) at the end of some movie. Like at the End of Cap's movie.
I can see the movie being mostly a WWII origin movie, having it end with Captain America, Bucky perhaps, trying to stop a Nazi plain and finding out its a trap. The plain explodes and maybe we see Cap's body pushed out of the plain by the explosion.
Then the end credits.
After the credits (like with Iron Man or with the Hulk) we get a special scene.
We see base camp and a bunch of people in parkas and such, one races to the main tent, inside we see Tony Stark as the man tells him "Mr. Stark, We Found Him!"
Cut to Stark and the explorers gathered around a frozen body in a chuck of Ice."
END.


Then in the Avengers, or the second Cap movie, or whatever, we have a brief recap in the form of a nightmare. Steve becomes Cap, Cap and Bucky in plain explosion, Cap wakes in a cold sweat. He is suddenly in an unknown room (a SHIELD hospital room in present time.)
I don't want the Avengers to be the Captain America movie guest starring the Avengers. But as a side note, or setting up Cap's part of the story, this could work maybe.

[Wesley Dodds]

I just remembered... At the end of TIH, when Stark says to Ross "There's a reason the super soldier was put on ice, general...". Would it not be fair to presume from that line that SHIELD/the government froze Rogers themselves?

[Webhead2006]

Well maybe that line could have meant why the program ended and wasnt really used again after ww2.

[Spider-Vader]

I want to see the scene from the Ultimates (where Stark finds the body) at the end of some movie. Like at the End of Cap's movie.
I can see the movie being mostly a WWII origin movie, having it end with Captain America, Bucky perhaps, trying to stop a Nazi plain and finding out its a trap. The plain explodes and maybe we see Cap's body pushed out of the plain by the explosion.
Then the end credits.
After the credits (like with Iron Man or with the Hulk) we get a special scene.
We see base camp and a bunch of people in parkas and such, one races to the main tent, inside we see Tony Stark as the man tells him "Mr. Stark, We Found Him!"
Cut to Stark and the explorers gathered around a frozen body in a chuck of Ice."
END.

I think it should be like that but instead of the movie ending with the plane exploding, there should be a scene with people mourning the loss of Cap & then a shot of Cap frozen in the ice. The screen goes black, then construction noises are heard & the scene you said comes on.

I just remembered... At the end of TIH, when Stark says to Ross "There's a reason the super soldier was put on ice, general...". Would it not be fair to presume from that line that SHIELD/the government froze Rogers themselves?
I doubt it.

[IronJoe]

Otherwise, why would Nick Fury and Stark find Steve's body?
They could always explain it by saying Stark figured out the trajectory and all that and figured out where Steve might have landed.

This brings up an interesting thought - is Captain America found on accident, or because he is being "looked for?"

[Rich Santoro]

I really don't like the idea of SHIELD, Fury, Stark, or anyone really actively looking for Cap. How the hell would they know that he is frozen??? Why would they be looking for him 6 decades later??? It seems too contrived.

I would rather that he is found by pure chance, by adventure-hikers or something like that, making their way across a glacier in the acrtic. Someone sees "something" in a large crevasse. They go down and dig to expose the shield, then notice a facial shape just below the ice. They kind of quietly freak out. Someone digs out the dog tags and realizes that this is a US soldier from WWII.

The scene jumps to the pentagon, and some official (Sec. of Defense maybe), or some general... is briefed that the State Department has notified them that the US Embassy in Norway has identified the remains of a fallen US soldier from WWII, and is having him flown into DC. The general / official is mildly interested... after all, that would be quite a thing. Then the speaker says, it is Captain Steve Rogers... then the general / official really perks up.

He says, are they certain???

Yes sir, it has been confirmed.

Get someone to the landing strip immediately, and bring him here. Notify Director Fury's office and General Greller (the black general that seemed to be a star or two above General Ross in TIH).

Jump to a scene when the frozen soldier is being wheeled to a observation room. Fury, the original official / general and Greller (perhaps a couple others) are bickering about some stuff... then Fury says, this situation falls directly within our investigative juristiction. There are important things for us to analyze before Captain Roger's remains can be remitted to military custody. Greller makes a look, but says nothing (foreshadowing to the fact that he knows Ross has his own Super Soldier pet project going on... meaning that this event takes place prior to the events of TIH).

We see a couple of doctors about to do an autopsy, when one notices the ever so slight movement of the chest... he pauses and stays perfectly still. He stares at the chest looking to confirm movement. The other doctor says, what???

Shhh...

The first doc hustles across the room to get a stethescope, and the other says, what are you doing... He ignores and gently places the stethescope on Roger's chest and listens... His eyes goes wide with surprise... The camera angle looks directly at Roger's face from overhead... and then zooms in (as though to enter his mind and thoughts... flashing back to a scrawny kid standing on a street corner with a bunch of people gathered around a radio, listenning to the Rossevelt Infamy speech).

Then it goes from there.

[Webhead2006]

That could be one way to go about it.

[Rich Santoro]

^ LOL... yes, I guess it could be :yay:

I would like to see the movie go full circle, and come to the conclusion of the WWII segment with his falling into the ice crevasse and his consciousness going black... a long pause with a black screen, then eyes slowly openning in a hospital room.

Not sure if it would be best for that to happen at the conclusion of the film, or somewhere mid-point so that a modern day segment can take place in that Cap film (recovering / training, and possibly a mission, prior to the Avengers assembling).

I would like for Cap to have been thawed and undergoing some field action in modern times, in a time frame prior to the IM timeline. This would be so that the discovery of Cap, is what inspires Fury to start tracking and recruiting super beings for a special operation force. Thus he sends Coulson to go get Stark.

[IronJoe]

I would rather that he is found by pure chance, by adventure-hikers or something like that, making their way across a glacier in the acrtic.


I agree. Found by chance seems like a much better opening.

[Artistsean]

Happen by chance makes more sense, in the comics the Avengers happen to find him but that was to keep the story short and uncomplicated.
But if adventurers find Cap's frozen body and then word makes it back to SHIELD,
It could be like on Law and Order...
Mountain Climbers in the arctic, possibly an accidental avalanche.
The Climbers are OK but they see a frozen body.
Cut to Nick Fury and SHIELD on the mountain, swarming the area...

It also makes sense that Fury, maybe even Stark himself, figured out the trajectory of the exploding bomb plain and figured out (using his vast intelligence), where he would have fallen...
BUT having him found by chance mountain climbers would probably work much better.

Showing a quick scene of the Hulk causing the finding of Steve's body would be nice, it does show how Nick Fury would have found him, and it is similar to the comic (Namor finding Steve's body) so it works that way too.

Otherwise, why would Nick Fury and Stark find Steve's body?
They could always explain it by saying Stark figured out the trajectory and all that and figured out where Steve might have landed.

I want to see the scene from the Ultimates (where Stark finds the body) at the end of some movie. Like at the End of Cap's movie.
I can see the movie being mostly a WWII origin movie, having it end with Captain America, Bucky perhaps, trying to stop a Nazi plain and finding out its a trap. The plain explodes and maybe we see Cap's body pushed out of the plain by the explosion.
Then the end credits.
After the credits (like with Iron Man or with the Hulk) we get a special scene.
We see base camp and a bunch of people in parkas and such, one races to the main tent, inside we see Tony Stark as the man tells him "Mr. Stark, We Found Him!"
Cut to Stark and the explorers gathered around a frozen body in a chuck of Ice."
END.


Then in the Avengers, or the second Cap movie, or whatever, we have a brief recap in the form of a nightmare. Steve becomes Cap, Cap and Bucky in plain explosion, Cap wakes in a cold sweat. He is suddenly in an unknown room (a SHIELD hospital room in present time.)
I don't want the Avengers to be the Captain America movie guest starring the Avengers. But as a side note, or setting up Cap's part of the story, this could work maybe.

I still want to see the discovery of Cap's body to be one of the surprise cliffhanger endings that Marvel has been doing...

SHIELD Agent- Colonel Fury... You better get down here Sir. Your not going to believe what those mountain climbers found...
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[Styleshift]

I'm not a big Cap aficionado, but I do believe the first avenger should be set in the past.
I think they should concentrate on developing Cap's character so we know who he is and how he works. Why he is such a great team leader.

That would make him sooo much more essential to the team in the avengers movie. Face it, compared to all the other heroes he does seem corny unless you know about him. Not many movie goers do.

Just my opinion. :)

[Artistsean]

I'm not a big Cap aficionado, but I do believe the first avenger should be set in the past.
I think they should concentrate on developing Cap's character so we know who he is and how he works. Why he is such a great team leader.

That would make him sooo much more essential to the team in the avengers movie. Face it, compared to all the other heroes he does seem corny unless you know about him. Not many movie goers do.

Just my opinion. :)
I was thinking of that too.
Establish his character in the past, not only his character but the time he comes from and his environment. That way when he is revived in the year 2000 something it will show the drastic change for him.
It will also help, as you mentioned, establish who he is and how he works in modern times. It will be that much more powerful if we get a full movie, or even a little over half I guess, to set up his life during WWII.
It could really emphasize that his life was paused or halted while being frozen, give it more of a jolting effect maybe.

I still want the Avenger movie to be about each and every member, but I think Cap needs almost a whole movie to establish his life before being frozen.

[Rich Santoro]

In this vein, a portion of the film should be dedicated to events prior to his actual recruitment. Showing him living in 1940s NY. Then the big recruitment and transformation sequences... then off to war.

I want to see Cap revived at the end of his own movie... Then left as a cliff-hanger with him onthe road to recovery... I don't want to see a modern day adaptation sequence with the man-out-of-time theme. However... I don't want to see too much of the Avengers dealing with that theme either. It is a bit of a quandry for me.

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The best way to conclude the Cap's solo movie is for him to open his eyes in a hospital bed, with Fury looking down at him.

Fury says, "Welcome home Captain Rogers."

Cap has a puzzled, fatigued look on his face... he tries to lift his hand but only grunts and sags back.

The doc says, "He is in no condition for any excitement, he needs to rest."

Fury, "Not too long... I want a physical therapy team getting this man back on his feet as quickly as possible."

Doc, "We need to run the full battery tests to assess his cognitive functions, as well as, his physical state. Just 3 weeks ago, this man was clinically brain-dead. Now he is just waking from a coma. Although he is actually progressing, we don't want to rush things... his condition is very critical. It is a miracle that he has even made it this far."

Fury, "No doctor. This man's recovery is not the miracle. This man IS the miracle. He represents the unlimited potential that resides within this creature called man. He is the peak of the human mind, body and spirit. He has come back to us by fate, or by luck... but never have we needed him more. He changes everything doctor."

Credits roll...

Then have an openning montage in the Avengers showing him undergoing therapy from learning to walk, and developing his basic motor skills... to him sparring with three attackers, and doing acrobatics... also reading, and learning how to access a computer and the internet... This can be meshed with some montage clips of other loose ends for the other superheroes, covering events from between their solo movies ending and the Avengers films beginning.

[bubbadoom]

Did any of you guys see the Captain America movie from the '90's. What some of you are describing is just that movie - and it was crap! Telling his origin, sending him on a mission, getting frozen, being found, and having an adventure in the present was too much story for one movie resulting in none of it getting the screen time it deserved.

I do not understand the negative response to keeping the solo movie set in WWII, it ending with him being an established hero still fighting the Nazis and leaving the door open for sequels set in the war. By using the Avengers as the vehicle to bring him into the present [just like Marvel did in the '60's] the option of more WWII adventures it still there. A prologue in the Avengers movie with him being frozen seems the best bet, then he can be found, revived and join the team - just like Stan and Jack did.

[Superhero 101]

The film is about 2 hours long so the first hour and a half can be about Cap in WWII and the last half hour can be about how SHIELD discovers the body. My Idea is that a Shield Submarine was underwater where the Hulk caused the Avalanche thing from TIH and the Sub picks up Cap. They bring him to Shield HQ and bring him back to life and we have Stark and Fury recruit him to Avengers.

[Webhead2006]

actually superhero 101 marvel has stated the film will be ww2 at most if anything is present day its will be closing scene/after credit scene to tie him getting discovered/revived and lead to avengers.

[[A]]

Sam Jackson, RDJ, Ed Norton and Kirk's Dad standing around Captain America's shieldNiiiiice. Too bad it'll only exist if a fan makes it..

[Spider-Vader]

No to the Cap movie being in present day unless there's a scene at the end of the movie where he's discovered by SHIELD or Iron Man or something.

[A] I'm pretty sure "Kirk's dad" is a reference to the same actor playing Thor. Unless, your comment was a joke inwhich I'm a retard.

[RaZaTrOn]

Having him broken from the ice by the Hulk could be a nice way to start the chain reaction of his discovery by Nick Fury. They do not even have to show Banner trying to commit suicide (That may not have any relevance to the Avengers Plot) but at least have the Hulk break him out the ice.

I can see this.. but instead of using that scene they could use that particular event for example

An Agent of SHIELD picks up on an 'earthquake' where Banner has just Hulked out and smashed the Glacier.
She/He yells to Nick Fury 'check this out Sir' he comes over and he asks to get some satellite imagery of that location.. The image comes up and we can see birds eye view of Hulk smashing the glacier and it rippling outwards... the computer then identifies another person on the screen moving fast (the body of Cap)
Fury has it slowed down... he sees Red White and Blue.. followed quickly by 'Forget the Hulk, get a team to that location, we've just hit the jackpot'

Replace my cheesy dialouge with something more professional and i think we have either the beginning to Captain America before the titles role or The Avengers.

I think it would work well as a beginning to Captain America... After the titles it can start in WWII and continue up until the very point he gets frozen. Then maybe follow on a bit from the opening scene.

What do you think?

[Webhead2006]

well i would prefer my self to have closing scene in cap or after credit scene of him being found and discovered in present day. So then avengers can get right to the nitty gritty business.

[RaZaTrOn]

I can't be an after credits scene due to the fact hardly any of the general public stay after credits. So really they won't know whats going on.

They might as well stick the extra minute pre credits because at the end of the day it still adds up run time.

[Stripesy Strip]

I would prefer if the whole movie would be spent in WW2 because to me it's the best aspect of Captain America. I really want to see how Cap fought in the war, how he fought the Nazies, all of this went down. Just doing that would take a huge amount of work and care and if you only do half in WWII and half in present it's a cheat. Especially since you can do any modern stories in Captain America 2 and 3 and 4 and 5. There's no rush. Cap in WWII would kick all kind of ass so let him do that for all the time required because we will never have another chance to see that.

Also him being ressurected in the Avengers would be just like the comics. The hook has been he died a soldier and was ressurected a super-hero. He came back in the Avengers comics for a reason, that's what he became from now on. That was his new home, his new day job. That is why he's Mr. Avengers and their leader.

[Webhead2006]

it was confirmed long ago first avenger is going to be totally ww2. At most only present day we will get is maybe a post credit scene were steve how ever he gets frozen or what not is discovered by "X" character to lead into avengers.

[Turtles]

I would like the Captain America movie to be set entirely during WWII, because this is a Captain America movie, not an Avengers movie. I don't want half and half. I would like it if they showed Cap getting pulled out of the ice at the end of the movie, or in an after-credits scene, but there are two reasons this might not happen:

1. The title of the movie. The title is The First Avenger: Captain America, and with a title like that you'd assume he'd become an actual Avenger by the end of the movie, he wouldn't just be found by them. Personally, I think they should just drop the First Avenger from the title, because it's not like Cap was the first Avenger.
2. People can be dumb. Some people won't stay and watch an after credits scene, and others won't see the Captain America movie before seeing the Avengers movie. All those people will then be like WTF?! when Cap appears in the Avengers movie and they start talking about how he was frozen in the ice and such.

With that being said, I think it's best to show that he's frozen at the end of the Captain America movie, and then, after the credits, they can show a scene with Namor. Namor can get angry, and be seen throwing a frozen Cap into the ocean. This gives us our juicy after the credits scenes, but nobody who misses the scene will be left scratching their head in the Avengers movie.

In the Avengers movie, frozen Cap will float on the current until he passes the Triskelion, the new Shield base being built near Manhattan, where he'll be unexpectedly found by the team. In my opinion that mixes his 616 and Ultimates origins nicely, and we can totally get that great scene where he wakes up, and just goes ballistic, bashing his way out of the hospital room. That would be an impressive way to introduce Cap to the Avenger's audience, they'll be like "wow, he just woke up and he's already kicking ass!".

If you handle things like they did in the Ultimates, then Cap being found and unfrozen in the middle of the movie won't take too much attention away from the other characters in the Avengers movie.

[Timstuff]

Personally, I hope that they show Cap being frozen by means of an early form of cryonics, and then gets revived with 21st century technology. I just don't see movie audiences buying the idea that he could go into suspended animation under natural circumstances. If he was frozen in a laboratory setting it would give it an air of plausibility that he could go into suspended animation, and the reasons for him not being revived until the 21st centure would be because the technology didn't exist until then (with Stark Industries likely having a hand in it).

[Webhead2006]

well i still say first we know film will be all ww2 so no worries there. As for how he is getting frozen or what not there is a variety of ways they can go into it. A, to the classic move he is trying to stop a bomb from going off its flying over a frozen tundra spot/The artic and he stops the bomb but is flung into the cold water or into a frozen mountain side. B. Maybe they can go into saying Red skull was working on some cold fusion bomb or early suspended animation stuff. So say if its a bomb it goes off with rogers riding it lets say and its over some barrien cold place like option A but its not the cold that freezes him its the fusion bomb that froze his cells and he is only kept alive barely due to the SSS. OR you can say if its suspended animation thing maybe red skull had a base it was at in the artic tundra like i said red skull and steve have a showdown there the allies nuke the place but both rogers and skull are in a underground chamber were the equipment is the bomb knocks out the base and triggers some instant freezing and both are frozen together. Or steve due to SSS isnt frozen as soon as skull is and gets a bit away from him and is frozen. To be found in the present day. Then you can say since steve wasnt in the same spot as skull maybe an assoicate of skull found him in suspended animation after the bombing. They take skull's body with them. And dont notice steve's body maybe cause with the blast that took out the base maybe he was under some frozen rubble or what not.

Then like i said we know the film will have to lead into avengers. I think it would be nice to have that after credit scene(and internet savy folks would know of it to stay and watch) and then after the showdown with skull and rogers it flashs to present day. Shield is working with X government at the site of the base which was found and roger's suspended animated body is found for option B. and for option A like i said before if he was frozen in ocean or a mountain side to maybe go some divers/hikers find something. This leads to Shield going to site. Then we end scene with X shield members(fury and/or stark) finding the body. Then the last moment we see steve in hospital setting and he awaken.

Then The avengers film can pick up right at that moment. Or they can say maybe a few weeks or months happened between rogers waking up at the closer of cap film and avengers film.

[FaT_tONle]

it was confirmed long ago first avenger is going to be totally ww2. At most only present day we will get is maybe a post credit scene were steve how ever he gets frozen or what not is discovered by "X" character to lead into avengers.

Maybe the after credit scene will be the scene deleted in TIH. Banner stumbles upon Rogers while he is working out his mental issues.

[idrnkurmlkshks]

What do you guys think about Fury sending Iron Man after Banner and having an Iron Man/Hulk fight to open the movie? It could tie in TIH and in the battle they discover Captain America. I think Hulk fighting IM in regular armor would be cool, and if they do the Ultimates thing it would give Tony an excuse to justify some Hulkbuster armor if they decide to fight Hulk again in the movie. Just a thought.

[Webhead2006]

would make a great fight scene are u thinking for that for opening of avengers or for cap solo?

[Turtles]

He's a thought: why don't they revive Captain America at the beginning of his movie? Steve will wake up in modern times, Fury or somebody will ask him what he remembers, and he'll tell them his whole story. The entire movie can be one long flashback scene.

If the movie is done that way then they won't have to find a way to fit Cap's revival into the actual Avengers movie, and it won't feel like his revival is just something tacked onto the end of his movie, either.

That also means we can have a cool after the credits scene involving something other than ice cube Cap being found by Stark or Fury, which would be awesome. Anybody for an after credits scene of Fury presenting Cap with his shield, and asking him to lead the Avengers? (Stark can be in the background with a "WTF?! I never agreed to that!" look on his face) Now that would fit with the pattern already established by Marvel, the pattern being that all the after credits scenes so far (all two of them) deal directly with the formation of the Avengers in one way or another. A scene like that would certainly explain away the First Avenger part of the movie title, too.

[roach]

I have faith that the guys who brought us IM and TIH wont frak this up...either way is fine with me

[co2]

The thing for me is, I want to see Cap have a solo adventure in modern time as well as WWII. So I would like his first film to be 1/3 in WWII and 2/3 in modern time. That means we get a WWII adventure in the first part, and him coping with the man out of time concept and adventure in modern after that. I think that will make a pretty complete film. Then the Avengers film can simply be about him taking the role of leader. That way, we get everything.

[Webhead2006]

well co2 we already know that first avenger will be all ww2 its been stated multiple times from marvel. As to how cap will be in modern times for avengers, either the closing scene will be him "dying" and being found. He "dies" at the end.... and after credit scene of him being found in present day. Or he "dies" at the end of the film and they leave him being found for opening for avengers.

[Captain Marvel]

Personally, I hope that they show Cap being frozen by means of an early form of cryonics, and then gets revived with 21st century technology. I just don't see movie audiences buying the idea that he could go into suspended animation under natural circumstances. If he was frozen in a laboratory setting it would give it an air of plausibility that he could go into suspended animation, and the reasons for him not being revived until the 21st centure would be because the technology didn't exist until then (with Stark Industries likely having a hand in it).

Something like that wouldn't be a bad idea. Another good idea would be what they did in X-Men Evolution. There, Cap was put into cryo stasis because the Super-Soldier Serum was killing him. So they froze him til they could find a cure. They could do the same here, only Banner finds a cure for Cap, and stabilizes the Super-Soldier Serum. That'd be a nice tie-in.

[co2]

well co2 we already know that first avenger will be all ww2 its been stated multiple times from marvel.

Yeah, I know. I was just expressing what I would have preferred.

[roach]

where was it stated that First Avenger would be all WW2

[Webhead2006]

marvel has said it in multi interviews for awhile that cap would be all in ww2. There is no need to pull him into present day to the end of the film and he is awaken in 200s compared to the mid 1940s. Sorry i dont have any links on hand. But if you do a google search i am sure you will come by the comments.

[the dmg]

He's a thought: why don't they revive Captain America at the beginning of his movie? Steve will wake up in modern times, Fury or somebody will ask him what he remembers, and he'll tell them his whole story. The entire movie can be one long flashback scene.

If the movie is done that way then they won't have to find a way to fit Cap's revival into the actual Avengers movie, and it won't feel like his revival is just something tacked onto the end of his movie, either.

That also means we can have a cool after the credits scene involving something other than ice cube Cap being found by Stark or Fury, which would be awesome. Anybody for an after credits scene of Fury presenting Cap with his shield, and asking him to lead the Avengers? (Stark can be in the background with a "WTF?! I never agreed to that!" look on his face) Now that would fit with the pattern already established by Marvel, the pattern being that all the after credits scenes so far (all two of them) deal directly with the formation of the Avengers in one way or another. A scene like that would certainly explain away the First Avenger part of the movie title, too.

I kind of like this idea. They could even tie-in the search for Captain America in IM2 by showing maps and pictures in Tony's lab as to where he might be located. At the end of the Captain America movie, assuming that he's telling his story to someone, instead of Fury we see Stark give him the shield saying something along the lines of "I thought you might need this."

[Stripesy Strip]

Another idea, It would be cool if both Cap and Thor would be revived in the Avengers movie.

-Imagine a Cap film with his whole origin and then he fights during WWII, maybe faces the Red Skull, it ends when he falls into icy waters(done like the Ultimates where as he start falling deeper into water, we hear him reading the letter he wrote to his girlfriend). When it's the End of the movie it's wrriten on screen "see you in present day in the Avengers!".

-Imagine the whole life of Thor told in one movie when he was young, when he became a teenager, then a man, he fights various threats, until Asgard faces Ragnarok, it's the Twilight of the Gods. The End.

-Avengers movie starts. Chaos around the World. From natural diasters to crime to viruses are augmented to a million fold. World economy is on the brink. There's constitutional problems in America. A ship appears, a being comes out promising to solve all the World problems. His name is Kang, a supposed extra-terrestial and people agree to his whim. Everything go back to normal. This new being is loved but only the so-called Iron Man is skeptical. Stark find out what he is and what he wants to do, they both fight and then Iron Man reveals everything to humanity. Kang insert a device in Bruce Banner to control him and send Hulk against Stark. Iron Man-Hulk fight. Stark goes into critical condition, Hulk/Banner is trapped in a powerful reactor in Stark Industry. Next day, bang electricity gone, the World turns into another Dark Age. There's a resistance that start to come together all around the World. A band of merry men lead by a guy named Clint Barton that has been raised by a traditional old Indian Chief actually manages to enter Kang's ship. They find the body of Captain America in statis and the Hammer of Thor. You see Kang is a time traveller that has been collecting elements from the greatest warriors of the past and in the case of Cap it was the whole man himself! Kang got him before he died/drown and he got Thor's Hammer just as Ragnarok was about to happen. "Hawkeye" and his friends free Cap, then a man named Donald Blake who was one of the allies of Clint, touch the hammer of Thor and boom becomes Thor himself! There is now a fighting chance.

That's an example of what could be done with Cap being ressurected in Avengers. In a way he comes back as the world need him the most during a huge World threatening event. Thor and Hulk come back too for this incredible situation. And all the Cap soul searching and trying to adapt in a different World could be done in Captain America 2. Cap 2 would be the ideal place for half the movie with him finding himself in this new World and the other half fighting the return of the Red Skull.

[Webhead2006]

an interesting idea but i doubt that will be happening. Cap myself i guess will get frozen in some fashion by the end of first avenger. Then more likely then not a closing scene with stark/fury finding the body with maybe the final second see caps eyes open up and stark/fury says "Welcome back steve rogers!".

As for thor we already know its going to be pretty much an adult thor(who in his world's time is probably a couple thousands of years old) but earth time probably in his mid 20s-early 30s looks. We also know thor is going to take place in his home dimension plus present day earth. So i doubt your idea would happen. Plus we have no clue what or who will be the threat for the avengers yet.

[Rich Santoro]

Here is a little repeat of what I wrote a couple months back...

I would rather that he is found by pure chance, by adventure-hikers or something like that, making their way across a glacier in the acrtic. Someone sees "something" in a large crevasse. They go down and dig to expose the shield, then notice a facial shape just below the ice. They kind of quietly freak out. Someone digs out the dog tags and realizes that this is a US soldier from WWII.

The scene jumps to the pentagon, and some official (Sec. of Defense maybe), or some general... is briefed that the State Department has notified them that the US Embassy in Norway has identified the remains of a fallen US soldier from WWII, and is having him flown into DC. The general / official is mildly interested... after all, that would be quite a thing. Then the speaker says, it is Captain Steve Rogers... then the general / official really perks up.

He says, are they certain???

Yes sir, it has been confirmed.

Get someone to the landing strip immediately, and bring him here. Notify Director Fury's office and General Greller (the black general that seemed to be a star or two above General Ross in TIH).

Jump to a scene when the frozen soldier is being wheeled to a observation room. Fury, the original official / general and Greller (perhaps a couple others) are bickering about some stuff... then Fury says, this situation falls directly within our investigative juristiction. There are important things for us to analyze before Captain Roger's remains can be remitted to military custody. Greller makes a look, but says nothing (foreshadowing to the fact that he knows Ross has his own Super Soldier pet project going on... meaning that this event takes place prior to the events of TIH).

We see a couple of doctors about to do an autopsy, when one notices the ever so slight movement of the chest... he pauses and stays perfectly still. He stares at the chest looking to confirm movement. The other doctor says, what???

Shhh...

The first doc hustles across the room to get a stethescope, and the other says, what are you doing... He ignores and gently places the stethescope on Roger's chest and listens... His eyes goes wide with surprise... The camera angle looks directly at Roger's face from overhead... and then zooms in (as though to enter his mind and thoughts... flashing back to a scrawny kid standing on a street corner with a bunch of people gathered around a radio, listenning to the Rossevelt Infamy speech).

Then it goes from there.

[Rich Santoro]

From a different thread...

... Cap discovers plans to build an army of Nazi super soldiers in a secret facility in the arctic (far North Scandanavia). Cap goes to take the facility out. Once he infiltrates, he sees that the place is the stuff of nightmares. Human experiments, SSS tests gone wrong, mutated and broken test subjects... utterly inhuman and repulsive.

The mad scientist behind it all is Baron Zemo. Skull has escaped from the battle-field and is there to drive Zemo for completion of his experiments and build the Super Army once and for all. Cap sees the horrors of the place, and that Zemo / Skull are close to success (albeit a monsterous success - which would make an army of monstrosities). He knows that he must stop this program and destroy the facility.

He finds the reactor core, or some other thing of that nature... he is then discovered... the heat is on... plenty of action ensues... he destroyes some control panel with a well-aimed shield throw... and a chain reaction causes the place to go up like the 4th of July. He escapes and is hurled by the blast off into the icy cold. Skull and Zemo are seemingly destroyed. Cap trudges on in the artic night, and finally succumbs... falling into a ice crevasse, sliding down into the darkness... being covered over by blowing snow and ice.

Alternatively, the facility could be a cosmic generator, as a prelude to a later film (Avengers) where the Cosmic Cube is finally manufactured.

[Webhead2006]

should be interesting to see how they will go with "Cap dying" and being "Found".