Vampires in Spider-Man 4

[Mike_D202]

http://tinyurl.com/r9n4h8

Morbius?

[Adrian89]

Although I wouldn't mind seeing Vampires in a Spider-Man Movie, I'm kinda skeptic because of Raimi. He made SM3 (which was suppossed to be dark) a kids movie filled with crying and silly jokes. I hope it won't be the case with SM4 and I also hope that everyone learnt from their mistakes.

Other than that, what can I say, as long as it's handled properly it would be very cool, but I think these are just rumours about Morbius being in SM4 and about Raimi talking about vampire so much lately, I'm not buying it. It doesn't mean they will make this into a SM Movie.

[TheScarecrow]

It's not just that Raimi was talking about vampires. He's said before that he's a BIG fan of Morbius and Morbius has strong links to The Lizard.

[[A]]

Twilight? :hehe:

[spider-neil]

It's not just that Raimi was talking about vampires. He's said before that he's a BIG fan of Morbius and Morbius has strong links to The Lizard.


indeed he does. besides I think it would be vampirE not vampirES (plural) morbius would just drain victims plasma without turning them.
I highly recommend the run where spidey gets six arms and battles the lizard and morbius or watch the "Neogenic Nightmare" from spider-man TAS. I'd love to see that on the big screen.

;16967631']Twilight? :hehe:

*comic book guy*
'worst. vampire movie. evar.'

[Wesley Dodds]

Only with a proper blood drinking Morbius. None of this "Plaaaaaasmaaa!" bull****...

[Blackman]

I just dont want SP4 to fall into the current vampire fad.

[spider-neil]

Only with a proper blood drinking Morbius. None of this "Plaaaaaasmaaa!" bull****...


I don't think you'd get blood sucking past PG-13

I just dont want SP4 to fall into the current vampire fad.

not exactly a fad, moribius in TAS was ten years ago and morbius in ASM was 20 years ago.

[Wesley Dodds]

I don't think you'd get blood sucking past PG-13

Sure you can, you just have to be smart about it. I mean, obvioiusly i'm not talking about hardcore throat tearing Blade-style stuff. Maybe if when he bites his victims there's no blood per se but it's pretty clear what he's doing.
Morbius needs to drink blood in this because otherwise one of the major villains of this (let's not forget) make or break installment of the franchise will be a "Badass vampire" too scared to drink blood, fer chrissakes!

All jokes aside, if thats what happens then we really will have a Twilight style situation on our hands.
I dont mind vampires in the next SP flick (Its Raimi! He can do this sorta thing in his sleep!) but they have to be a threat!

No Wussiness please!

[Blackman]

Im talking about all these other vampires in movies/shows
Twilight, True Blood, Underworld 3, Let the Right One in, I am LEgend, 30 Days of Night.

I mean that I dont want to see another vampire movie especially in a SPM movie where there are alot better character imo

[Sloth7d]

Sure you can, you just have to be smart about it. I mean, obvioiusly i'm not talking about hardcore throat tearing Blade-style stuff. Maybe if when he bites his victims there's no blood per se but it's pretty clear what he's doing.
Morbius needs to drink blood in this because otherwise one of the major villains of this (let's not forget) make or break installment of the franchise will be a "Badass vampire" too scared to drink blood, fer chrissakes!

All jokes aside, if thats what happens then we really will have a Twilight style situation on our hands.
I dont mind vampires in the next SP flick (Its Raimi! He can do this sorta thing in his sleep!) but they have to be a threat!

No Wussiness please!

Yeah. Buffy and Angel got away with it without getting a MA rating. If done in similar fashion, I don't see Spidey 4 getting the big R, y'know.

[spider-neil]

if sam does indeed bring morbius to the big screen then bring something new to the table. morbius is not a 'true' vampire but a victim of an experiment gone wrong. show some stuff that has never been seen in a vampire movie before. I think the reson sam may be drawn to morbius is sam loves his sympathetic villians, well he has them in lizard and moribus.

Yeah. Buffy and Angel got away with it without getting a MA rating. If done in similar fashion, I don't see Spidey 4 getting the big R, y'know.


you can get away with murder (no pun intended lol) if you show no blood. look at TDK (just an example).

[Wesley Dodds]

if sam does indeed bring morbius to the big screen then bring something new to the table. morbius is not a 'true' vampire but a victim of an experiment gone wrong. show some stuff that has never been seen in a vampire movie before. I think the reson sam may be drawn to morbius is sam loves his sympathetic villians, well he has them in lizard and moribus.

Sure, you're right and i'd be shocked if they didnt go down that same sympathetic angle with Morbius but you're forgetting that yes, although Raimi loves to redeem his villains, BEFORE the redemtion he clearly relishes making them very, very BAD indeed.
Morbius needs to be bad. Before he's redeemed, He needs to be what we thought we were getting with Venom last time around.
And yeah, He's a science vampire... But so what? The same rules apply.
On screen that's going to mean very little in regards to changing the fact that essentially we're watching Spidey VS. The living undead.

Especially to the general public...

[Joker]

I'm really not interested in seeing Morbius. There's more vampire movies than you can shake a stick at these days.

I don't need it in Spider-Man, too.

[spider-neil]

Sure, you're right and i'd be shocked if they didnt go down that same sympathetic angle with Morbius but you're forgetting that yes, although Raimi loves to redeem his villains, BEFORE the redemtion he clearly relishes making them very, very BAD indeed.
Morbius needs to be bad. Before he's redeemed, He needs to be what we thought we were getting with Venom last time around.
And yeah, He's a science vampire... But so what? The same rules apply.
On screen that's going to mean very little in regards to changing the fact that essentially we're watching Spidey VS. The living undead.

Especially to the general public...


is morbius does go really bad I'm hoping spidey is blamed and the police/swat/fbi come after him (spidey) that would make for fantastic action scenes, also the city falling in love with spidey didn't sit right with me in SM3. has spidey ever been loved by the public?

[Wesley Dodds]

That'd be great. My only worry is that it might be a little bit samey to what it looks like Nolan has in store for Batman 3 and arent they coming out the same year?
I hated Spidey being being publicly adored too. Like everything else in that awful, awful film it was just... Wrong.

[Leenie]

Morbius is far from my first choice as a villain for a Spider-Man movie, but hey ... If the movie's good, then the movie's good. Right?

Also, if having the Lizard means having Morbius, then I'm definitely going to be more open-minded about it.

[Wesley Dodds]

I'm taking the randomness of it to be a good sign. For this rumour to come out of nowhere like this, That feels to me like Raimi has a plan, something very specific he wants to do...

[spider-neil]

That'd be great. My only worry is that it might be a little bit samey to what it looks like Nolan has in store for Batman 3 and arent they coming out the same year?



not if spidey gets there first ha ha :woot:

[Reikowolf]

it would be interesting to see how spider-man's mythos in the movies deals with a cryptzoology creature created by science.

this would be really great in having a plot where spider-man begins to see himself as a monster (partially due to the events of SM3 when he began abusing his powers)

I always thought the 6-arm saga was a great story and would be interesting to see in the movie.

[Dragon]

Well, if Sam handled Morbius as a supervilain who happens to be a vampire, then I could be okay with it. But if it's "Spidey in the realm of vampires" with stuff like Morbius trying to claim MJ as his bride or something, then they should leave that in the same spot as "Young Ock in love".

[Spider-ManHero12]

Honestly, I'd fee lsafe with Sam using Morbius because I think Sam, who has had a great horror background, will make Morbius look scary/threatening, as well as somewhat sympathetic. Morbius doesn't want to kill people, but has to.

[American_Hobo]

Well, if Sam handled Morbius as a supervilain who happens to be a vampire, then I could be okay with it. But if it's "Spidey in the realm of vampires" with stuff like Morbius trying to claim MJ as his bride or something, then they should leave that in the same spot as "Young Ock in love".

LOL. If Morbius is the villain in this movie, we are getting Twilight.

[Morg]

Forget the vampire we got enough vampires here and there, bring the Lizard dammit

[BETArayBill]

Man i hope he's joking i have no desire to see a vampire themed spider-man movie if u thought audiences had a hard time with an alien like venom in spider-man i cant see a vampire movie being any more accepted. Bring on the lizard!

[Frodo]

Well the whole Vamp thing was brought up several months ago and I wasn't keen on it then ....and i'm still not. If it is Morbuis I'm gonna wait for cable . I like True Blood, Forever Knight , Buffy , The Bela Dracula, Interview with a Vamp etc , but not in a Spiderman film.

However we've already had aliens so it's not like it'd be out of the realm of possiblity in the current francise but still. Maybe he'll team up with Mephisto and we'll have a one more day film which will retcon Spiderman 3.

Snarkiness aside, Raimi's gonna do what he wants to do so, it's outta our hands.

[DarkReflections]

Honestly, I'd fee lsafe with Sam using Morbius because I think Sam, who has had a great horror background, will make Morbius look scary/threatening, as well as somewhat sympathetic. Morbius doesn't want to kill people, but has to.

i agree. :up:

[Adrian89]

Im talking about all these other vampires in movies/shows
Twilight, True Blood, Underworld 3, Let the Right One in, I am LEgend, 30 Days of Night.
And all of those being truly BAD!

I wonder if we're ever gonna get a proper Vampire Movie..

Honestly, I'd feel safe with Sam using Morbius because I think Sam, who has had a great horror background, will make Morbius look scary/threatening...
Unless he will turn the movie into another kids' movie filled with lame jokes:

Kid1: Omfg! LOOOOK it's SPIDAHMAN!
Kid2: It looks like he's fighting the big bad man with ugly face!!!!!:wow::csad:

Which will ruin everything and every chance of taking that movie serious.

....as well as somewhat sympathetic. Morbius doesn't want to kill people, but has to.
No more Mr.Nice Villain! It's time for someone EVIL!! At least, in my oppinion, I've had it with this pathethic routine -> Good man turns into villain-> does bad things-> turns into good guy again and he feels sorry like an idiot.

[GoldGoblin]

I guess Raimi wants to make sure that SM4 sucks,lol.

[Spider-ManHero12]

No more Mr.Nice Villain! It's time for someone EVIL!! At least, in my oppinion, I've had it with this pathethic routine -> Good man turns into villain-> does bad things-> turns into good guy again and he feels sorry like an idiot. Morbius was never a VIllian that killed people because he thought it was fun, like Carnage does. He NEEDED human blood to survive. Hell, in the comics, he looked for a cure.

[DACrowe]

Hurm...

Well I am not particularly hyped about seeing Spidey fight a bloodsucker. It seems too similar to Blade for me or worse Twilight. I'd much rather see Lizard and Kraven get tackled with a slightly toned down version of Kraven's Last Hunt except substituting Vermin with Lizard. Then add in a subplot maybe of while Spidey is buried he misses his wedding or Aunt May is dying and no one knows where Peter is, etc. etc. giving him something to be really pissed at when he comes out ontop of Kraven capturing and about to kill Connors....


but I'm rambling right now.

If it is not to be, it is not to be.

I will put it this way: I want Raimi to fulfill his promise of going in a new direction and stay true and loyal to his muse. He did with the first tow Spidey movies which for their time were the best the genre had ever seen and are still fine movies, even if they are not the most faithful adaptations out there. It seems he is being true to his muse with his new film and it is getting stellar reviews and I am highly anticipating it.

If he is inspired by Morbius...go for it. The movie will likely be better that way.

[SpeterMan3]

I say no. Btw, I like your idea, DACrowe.

[LightningFlash]

I am Legend

The book showed them as vampires, and was a brilliant novel.

The movie only showed them as zombies.

And whoever said otherwise would be an idiot.

[Spider-Vader]

Unless there's someway Blade appears I say no.
Spidey also must make a joke mocking Twilight. Something like "Don't you have mob of teenage girls to adore you?" or something like that.

[FaT_tONle]

Bust Snipes out of jail for a cameo...

[spider-neil]

I think we will definately see lizard its just a case of who the secondary villian is and as I said earlier morbius (imho) seems a better fit than kraven.

[ross2287]

I'm really not interested in seeing Morbius. There's more vampire movies than you can shake a stick at these days.

I don't need it in Spider-Man, too.

:up:

He did with the first tow Spidey movies which for their time were the best the genre had ever seen and are still fine movies, even if they are not the most faithful adaptations out there.

Spider-Man 2 is still in my top five favourite superhero movies and it's fairly high on my regular movies list.

[rayc1971]

twilight is so popular right now so everyone wants vampires in there movies!this is why i believe those morbius rumors were true all along! this is gonna suck like spidey 3!

[ross2287]

I'm really not interested in seeing Morbius. There's more vampire movies than you can shake a stick at these days.

I don't need it in Spider-Man, too.

:up:

He did with the first tow Spidey movies which for their time were the best the genre had ever seen and are still fine movies, even if they are not the most faithful adaptations out there.

Spider-Man 2 is still in my top five favourite superhero movies and it's fairly high on my regular movies list.

[Dragon]

LOL. If Morbius is the villain in this movie, we are getting Twilight.

To be clear- under no circumstances should Morbius be the only villain. This flick needs to have the Lizard.

[Mike_D202]

I betcha Morbious will be in his early 20s with big moosed hair and pretty lookin'.

[jaymes_e06]

If Morbius was in this I would **** my pants! But I kind of wanted him in another Blade sequel.

[Octoberist]

it's so strange why The Lizard is being held back for this long. WOuldn't you think that Raimi would at least mention him?

[TheScarecrow]

twilight is so popular right now so everyone wants vampires in there movies!this is why i believe those morbius rumors were true all along! this is gonna suck like spidey 3!

You're acting as though Raimi just jumps on the latest trends or what he thinks will get people to see the movie. Sam Raimi is a horror master and has consistently said Morbius is a character he's very interested in. Do you really think it's going to be like Twilight? Honestly?

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by Blackman http://forums.superherohype.com/images/Drakon/SHHClassic/smallbuttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=16967777#post16967777)
Im talking about all these other vampires in movies (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=324761&page=2#)/shows
Twilight, True Blood, Underworld 3, Let the Right One in, I am LEgend, 30 Days of Night.


And all of those being truly BAD!



I thought let the right one in was a FANTASTIC vampire movie.

[spider-neil]

it's so strange why The Lizard is being held back for this long. WOuldn't you think that Raimi would at least mention him?


I think lizard is an absolute shoe-in hence the reason sam doesn't bother to mention him.

[spider-neil]

:up:



Spider-Man 2 is still in my top five favourite superhero movies and it's fairly high on my regular movies list.

SM2 is top TWO on my favorite superhero list and top 10 all time favorite movie list.

[Adrian89]

I thought let the right one in was a FANTASTIC vampire movie.
LOL if you think that was a fantastic Vampire movie, ok! To each his own, but to me it was one of those movies I regret that I wasted my time with. It wasn't any better than Twilight which sucked hard as well.

[spider-neil]

LOL if you think that was a fantastic Vampire movie, ok! To each his own, but to me it was one of those movies I regret that I wasted my time with. It wasn't any better than Twilight which sucked hard as well.

I thought let the right one in was a touching movie whereas I wanted to leave the cinema half way though twilight. rotton tomato backs me up with my opinion of let the right one in.

[Metal Spidey]

I don't have much knowledge of Twilight or Morbius so I can't make any jokes or comparisons. All I can say is I want another villain other than Morbius in the movie. To be honest I thought that Venom (before I saw the movie) would a perfect end to a trilogy. But then I discovered that not only was he not but there would be more films. This has distorted my ability to see a proper film after part 3.

[Adrian89]

I thought let the right one in was a touching movie whereas I wanted to leave the cinema half way though twilight. rotton tomato backs me up with my opinion of let the right one in.
Let The Right One In is more like a drama movie with a dark tent. However, I wasn't impressed by it at all, nor did I felt touched by any scenes. And Rotten Tomatoes, lol! I don't care about critics and ratings.

It's just that I don't see that movie as a proper vampire movie, that's all. Matter of taste.;)

[spider-neil]

Let The Right One In is more like a drama movie with a dark tent. However, I wasn't impressed by it at all, nor did I felt touched by any scenes. And Rotten Tomatoes, lol! I don't care about critics and ratings.

It's just that I don't see that movie as a proper vampire movie, that's all. Matter of taste.;)


I didn't see it as a 'proper' vampire movie either I just enjoyed it on its own merits. I took nothing from twilight, utter rubbish.

[BATZARRO WWD]

Vampires are a waste in my opinion. I mean, no offense to Morbious as a character, I'd rather have the Lizard or Rhino. Is a vampire a step over the villains we've seen so far? Not in my mind!

[TheSlag]

Vampires are a waste in my opinion. I mean, no offense to Morbious as a character, I'd rather have the Lizard or Rhino. Is a vampire a step over the villains we've seen so far? Not in my mind!


Totally Agree! :up:

[American_Hobo]

I said this many times before,but Morbius has 0 chance of being in Spiderman 4.
So I'm not worried at all about Morbius being in Spiderman 4.
And yes, not to mention that Morbius will be complete waste of time.

[Robin91939]

If Morbius is named the villain, my interest in this film would got from a 9 out of 10 to a 4 out of 10.

No vampires please, leave that to Blade.

Lizard, Kraven, Electro, Scorpion or Venom for my Spider-man 4 please.

-R

[DACrowe]

Im talking about all these other vampires in movies/shows
Twilight, True Blood, Underworld 3, Let the Right One In, I am LEgend, 30 Days of Night.

I mean that I dont want to see another vampire movie especially in a SPM movie where there are alot better character imo

Grr.

True Blood is a great show. :cmad: ;) :oldrazz:

Just because it has a sense of humor and its vampires are developed characters does not make it bad. It is a great example of devillifying vampires for a bit of tongue-in-cheek horror-comedy-drama that features vampires that are still mean, threatening and dangerous, while fighting for human rights. It's a richly thick social satire mixed with sex, fangs and blood. Twilight, this ain't.

I just enjoyed Let the Right One In, I was a bit disappointed after all the hype and hugely praiseworthy reviews. It was just decent, but I enjoyed it.

[DACrowe]

Vampires are a waste in my opinion. I mean, no offense to Morbious as a character, I'd rather have the Lizard or Rhino. Is a vampire a step over the villains we've seen so far? Not in my mind!

I'd rather see Lizard and/or Kraven. But Raimi handling a straight old school monster seems more appealing to me than thuggish Rhino who doesn't offer many story possibilities.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I said this many times before,but Morbius has 0 chance of being in Spiderman 4. Why don't you think he will be in S-M4? Sure, it wasn't confirmed, but Sam has expressed interest in using him.

[Robin91939]

I wouldn't mind seeing even the Spectacular Spider-man being used as inspiration.

Cause in all honesty, the show is amazing, and it pulls a lot of inspiration from the 1960's-70's stories and modernizes them.

Why not see a secret crime syndicate move into New York fronted by the mysterious "Big Man". This could allow for criminals like Shocker or Rhino to be included as henchmen for the "Big Man" who would later be revealed to be L. Thomson Lincoln/Tombstone. He's a villain that has been given new life by that show---let's run with it.

Vampires are not good Spider-man villains. Stan Lee only created Morbius to prove he could use vampires and piss off the comics code people. He's a pretty lame character for a Spider-man movie...I mean, c'mon- we can do better.

-R

[jaymes_e06]

^I agree and think Morbius is more suited for a Blade movie. Anyone else think that might make just a little more sense?

[Robin91939]

Especially now that we have news that Blade will most likely be rebooted starring, reportedly, Michael Jai White.

Why not use Morbius, the living vampire, in a movie about....you know? A vampire hunter.

Only makes sense.

But hey- why not put him in a movie about a college kid with spider powers who lives in a quasi-New York with a heightened reality.....a Vampire would just through the whole tone and feel of these movies off.

Also- we have so many other better villains that we could use. I'd rather not wait four years for a Spider-man film and have it only be a film with Morbius..instead of, say---Lizard, Kraven, Thombstone, Electro, etc.

-R

[TheFuture]

Morbius has always been a favourite of mine, and as already mentioned, Raimi can do horror and Vampires with his eyes closed. However, one concern I would have is that Morbius would be forced on Raimi by Sony due to the current vampire fad among kids (classicly captured by South Park) instigated by Twilight. I'm sure Raimi would dig Morbius, but not the Morbius sony would make him do.

That being said, I don't buy it. It's all too obvious no? Raimi himself said before that he prefers to leave it to Sony when it comes to the big villain reveal. Then again, Raimi and Tobey both expressed admiration for Sandman years before S-M3, and sure enough he was in S-M3. Who knows.

Originally posted by Robin91939
Vampires are not good Spider-man villains. Stan Lee only created Morbius to prove he could use vampires and piss off the comics code people. He's a pretty lame character for a Spider-man movie...I mean, c'mon- we can do better.

If it serves the story well then what's the problem? If Raimi thinks he has an awesome story that would be perfect for a character such as Morbius and/or The Lizard then trust him.

[LightningFlash]

Why don't you think he will be in S-M4? Sure, it wasn't confirmed, but Sam has expressed interest in using him.

Raimi is very messed in the head if he digs Morbius more than Venom.

[shinlyle]

Raimi is very messed in the head if he digs Morbius more than Venom.

Morbius is a far more 3-dimensional character than Venom is!

Venom-Pissed because he became unemployed for being a fraud. The suit it angry because being a parasite didn't sit well with Peter, and it rejected him. He now has no other purpose in life other than the sestruction of Spider-Man. It was the same in the SM3 (yet, you hated it).

Morbius- Suffering from a rare blood disease tries to cure himself, only to mutate into a being that must feed off of living blood to sustain his own dying blood supply. He is constantly torn between the good man he was, and the monster he has become. He has gone from killing for neccesity to killing for justice. He's a very sympathetic character, which is keeping in theme with the Spidey villians of the movies (which, you hated).

I like Venom better than Morbius, but Venom is about as 2-dimensional a character as you can get....next to Carnage, who hs almost no depth to him at all.

[Joker]

Raimi is very messed in the head if he digs Morbius more than Venom.

I don't agree.

Morbius is far more interesting and 3 dimensional than Venom.

[SpideyTheBest]

Ugh, this Morbius talk has to stop!

All Raimi said was that he liked Morbius as a character and everybody goes "ZOMFG, MORBIUS IS DA VILLAIN IN DA SPIDA-MAN 4 CONFIRMED BY RAMI!!!!111!!1". I think I'm going to interview Sam Raimi and ask him what he thinks about The Living Brain. If he really likes him, I bet 100% that he is going to be in Spider-Man 4.

Why waste time on Morbius? I don't even want to see Lizard but I know that he most likely will be in it. But with Morbius, he isin't any different than Lizard, only that he is a vampire and has a brain if Lizard is going to be a mindless beast which I prefer him to be. So what's Spider-Man 4 going to be like? Two monsters, both were scientists, one is a vampire terrorizing people in Central Park and the other one is a Lizard terrorizing people in the subways and sewers. Plus, with Morbius we will get another symphatetic villain. I bet he will go "must have blood, no, don't want to hurt people :csad: no I can't resist this hunger, no I cannot must fight the hunger ahhh, nah screw it I'll just bite that guy in the neck" and afterwards he asks for forgiveness. Nope, I'm not going to let that happend. He is such a boring character anyway. There are much much better and interesting villains than him anyway.

[AnorexicBatman]

Oh god yes!!!

Sam Raimi's Spectacular Spider-Man... a horror superhero black comedy with The Lizard and Morbius. Special guest appearance by a certain blind lawyer....
Bruce Campbell as a Taxi Driver...

[shinlyle]

I suppose it would be too easy to ask you guys to just chill out, mention that it is all specualtion, and we'r ebuilding off of that specualtion until we're given something more concrete?

Jeez....it could feature Molten Man and Leap-Frog, for all we know at this point, but Raimi has actually mentioned LIzard and Morbius...so that's what we have to go off of....now, if there is a poster or news released in the next year that says otherwise, expect all this discussion to be dropped.

Also, maybe lay off the caffiene. Just a thought.:cwink:

[AnorexicBatman]

Raimi is a master of horror...
Drag Me To Hell is to him what The Abyss was to James Cameron before he made Terminator 2. Training ground. Lizard and Morbius are perfect for this, manifestations of our greatest fears.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ I agree 100%. True all the way. :up:

[DarthDaveBanner]

Actually I don't think Stan Lee did create Morbius and seeing as how Sam has a love of the older villains I think a vampire appearance is unlikely.

[Venom 1988]

Actually I don't think Stan Lee did create Morbius and seeing as how Sam has a love of the older villains I think a vampire appearance is unlikely.

Morbius appeared in 101, one issue after Stan left. I think its safe to say that Morbius is still considered a classic villain.

[DarthDaveBanner]

Morbius appeared in 101, one issue after Stan left. I think its safe to say that Morbius is still considered a classic villain.

Aha. I'm still holding out for Lizard, Scorpion and even Mysterio over Morbius though.

[LightningFlash]

Morbius is a far more 3-dimensional character than Venom is!

Venom-Pissed because he became unemployed for being a fraud. The suit it angry because being a parasite didn't sit well with Peter, and it rejected him. He now has no other purpose in life other than the sestruction of Spider-Man. It was the same in the SM3 (yet, you hated it).

Morbius- Suffering from a rare blood disease tries to cure himself, only to mutate into a being that must feed off of living blood to sustain his own dying blood supply. He is constantly torn between the good man he was, and the monster he has become. He has gone from killing for neccesity to killing for justice. He's a very sympathetic character, which is keeping in theme with the Spidey villians of the movies (which, you hated).

I like Venom better than Morbius, but Venom is about as 2-dimensional a character as you can get....next to Carnage, who hs almost no depth to him at all.

Morbius doesn't seem very three dimensional to me...sure, he has a "rare blood disease", but you put the whole "living vampire" in his name, and he just sounds like an idiot...and was an idiot when being portrayed in the 90s cartoon. They didn't even mention he had a disease, but I guess in Spideyland, you never do(Penny Marko. Or Penny Baker, whichever.)


And I hated Raimi Venom, because his thirst for revenge and destruction was watered-down, with asking for Sandman's help, to him not trying hard enough(come on, really? He relied on a giant Sandman and with a pipe or whatever? Why didn't he ever try to choke him? Why not tie up his entire body and beat him to a pulp? No, making it easy for Spidey to escape is just perfect...please...)

And please, enough of the sympathetic villains. Or better yet, the PEOPLE can be sympathetic, but if Morbius or Lizard is in it, make their villain persona pure EVIL. Don't have Lizard start to talk and realize how wrong he is, or the same with Morbius. Make the true villain pure evil when he's not a human anymore.

I'm sure glad Obadiah Stane wasn't a pussy.

[LightningFlash]

Lizard and Morbius are perfect for this, manifestations of our greatest fears.

I'll take clowns and Barack Obama.

[Spider-ManHero12]

but if Morbius or Lizard is in it, make their villain persona pure EVIL. If I remember ocrrectly, as i have said, Morbius was never 110% evil. He didn't want to hurt people, but he needed blood.

[LightningFlash]

But that first time with having blood, it should make him go very insane.

His insanity should be like the captain in "Tales of the Black Freighter".

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ How so? I mean, I don't think he'd stay that way. He knows what he's doing is wrong, but he needs it.

[LightningFlash]

Most likely he'll die in his "vampire mode".

Raimi's villains always die.

And he should go mad and insane because he just tasted someone else's blood!!!!

It's not normal. It's ABNORMAL.

Blood from another person should make him go mad. Lose focus of the world. Make him go starving mad for more blood, and more, and more. Sure, he can have his emo moments(and I know Sammy will do this), but for the most part, have him be a vampiric lunatic.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Honestly, I don't think he'll be a lunatic. Morbius would probably kill people though. As I said, it's basically a matter of life or death to him. Then, when Spider-Man attacks he might sday "I don't want to fight you", then as Spidey contains chasing him, Morbius gets angry and basically tries to kill Spidey. I think it would be a great battle.

[TheSlag]

I'll take clowns and Barack Obama.

LOL ... :up:

The Senate and Barack Obama you say :cwink:

[SpeterMan3]

Ooh, tried.

[TheSlag]

Morbius is a far more 3-dimensional character than Venom is!

Venom-Pissed because he became unemployed for being a fraud. The suit it angry because being a parasite didn't sit well with Peter, and it rejected him. He now has no other purpose in life other than the sestruction of Spider-Man. It was the same in the SM3 (yet, you hated it).

Morbius- Suffering from a rare blood disease tries to cure himself, only to mutate into a being that must feed off of living blood to sustain his own dying blood supply. He is constantly torn between the good man he was, and the monster he has become. He has gone from killing for neccesity to killing for justice. He's a very sympathetic character, which is keeping in theme with the Spidey villians of the movies (which, you hated).

I like Venom better than Morbius, but Venom is about as 2-dimensional a character as you can get....next to Carnage, who hs almost no depth to him at all.


Thanks for the info, as I know very little about Morbius, other than the 90's cartoon version. Sounds like the comic is very similiar to the Cartoon version.

Morbius sounds like a weak watered down version of the Lizard's story to me. And as you and others have said, IF we get any more sympathetic villains, it should be Connors/Lizard.

And I think as a villain, I can see Lizard as less sympathetic, and more deadly/frightening than Morbius, throwing out their alter ego's. As a villain, Lizard can be brutal/primal/vicious... where Morbius seems to struggle with his "villianous role". (i.e. sympathetic).

With that said, I still think Lizard can be sytmpathetic, and still be brutal/vicious as a villain. A BIG plus to me after all the sympathetic villains we have had.

Connors stoy can be soo much more riveting in his relationship with Peter, as Peter knows what it feels like to lose your father and father-figure, and IF they include the Connors Clan (as THEY SHOULD already have), it can strenghten the storyline by having Peter finally feeling like he has found the familoy he never had.

While I agree Venom's motivation has always been weak, I still think the combination of the symbiote, Black Spidey (and the symbiote's effect on Peter), and Brock... make for a MUCH better storyline than Morbius ever could.

Now that would imply they HAD done the story correctly and NOT have given us the watered down kiddie verison of the symbiote, Venom.. and MOST important.. the Black Spider-Man.

Pity.

[American_Hobo]

Thanks for the info, as I know very little about Morbius, other than the 90's cartoon version. Sounds like the comic is very similiar to the Cartoon version.

Morbius sounds like a weak watered down version of the Lizard's story to me. And as you and others have said, IF we get any more sympathetic villains, it should be Connors/Lizard.

And I think as a villain, I can see Lizard as less sympathetic, and more deadly/frightening than Morbius, throwing out their alter ego's. As a villain, Lizard can be brutal/primal/vicious... where Morbius seems to struggle with his "villianous role". (i.e. sympathetic).

With that said, I still think Lizard can be sytmpathetic, and still be brutal/vicious as a villain. A BIG plus to me after all the sympathetic villains we have had.

Connors stoy can be soo much more riveting in his relationship with Peter, as Peter knows what it feels like to lose your father and father-figure, and IF they include the Connors Clan (as THEY SHOULD already have), it can strenghten the storyline by having Peter finally feeling like he has found the familoy he never had.

While I agree Venom's motivation has always been weak, I still think the combination of the symbiote, Black Spidey (and the symbiote's effect on Peter), and Brock... make for a MUCH better storyline than Morbius ever could.

Now that would imply they HAD done the story correctly and NOT have given us the watered down kiddie verison of the symbiote, Venom.. and MOST important.. the Black Spider-Man.

Pity.

Well put. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif
I agree with everything.

One thing I'm worrying about Lizard being the villain is that we might be seeing Spiderman fighting all CGI monster.
Since Raimi loves the villains who are unmasked or villain who can easily get unmasked, I'm not too sure about Lizard.

I just hope it's Electro because he can bring great visuals to screen.

[Venom75]

Yeah,having creatures like vampires and werewolves(John Jameson)does not interest me at all. It's like having aliens in an Indiana Jones movie(heh,heh..). But I'd much rather see the Lizard and some of the other villains we've never seen brought to life on screen.

[Spider-Fan]

Hmmm...Well, Lizard and Morbius have appeared beside one another in past Spider-Man stories, so it is not like this pairing comes out of nowhere. If done right, this can be quiet good. I won't shoot down the idea, especially if Raimi has more control this film. Vampires would fit his horror roots anyway. As would Lizard.

[LightningFlash]

^^ Honestly, I don't think he'll be a lunatic. Morbius would probably kill people though. As I said, it's basically a matter of life or death to him. Then, when Spider-Man attacks he might sday "I don't want to fight you", then as Spidey contains chasing him, Morbius gets angry and basically tries to kill Spidey. I think it would be a great battle.

Didn't Raimi do that with Sandman already? "I don't wanna hurt you" or something stupid like that.

And lunatics kill people. Same ass thing. But he shouldn't turn out to be apologetic over it and fly away at the end.

[Mike_D202]

I think we'll get both Lizard AND Morbius. Connors can be in the lab working with genetics (for his limb regrowth) and his student is Morbius, working on a cure for himself as well (same field).

I'm sure Raimi might do something similar to that.

[Dark Knight90!]

As long as we get the talents of Robert Pattinson in the film... then I'm all for it.

....

[HughJackFan420]

vampires? all i have to say is please god no!!!!

although if it meant Blade would be in it and there's a cliffhanger to open up a new series of cooler and a much better Blade series then I'm all for it.

[LightningFlash]

Yah, sure...have a connection with Spidey and Blade....

that's fine, there should be a connection of at least two horrible franchises.