The Official Thor News and Set Pics Thread

[SpiderByte]

'The steel balaclava'. :hehe:

Turning uncomfortabililty into fuel for a character shows incredibly great acting skill.

[Silvermoth]

Whoever decided to piss off Grimace just got ****ed up....
He looks good though since he started lifting weights and stopped eating McDonalds all the time.

[sabetoonth]

And shaved

[SpiderByte]

Grimace wants a ****ing raise.

[KalMart]

Anyone else think the actor playing Thor looks a bit like former NY Giants and current N.O. Saints tight end Jeremy Shockey?

http://i36.tinypic.com/2m26df8.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/vgin7t.jpg

[Aesop Rocks]

no.

[sabetoonth]

I agree witht his guy.^

[KalMart]

http://i38.tinypic.com/6f5iz5.jpghttp://i33.tinypic.com/2d83jet.jpghttp://i34.tinypic.com/2duypoz.jpg

[Aesop Rocks]

Okay, okay, I see it. :up:

[KalMart]

Just a little, right? :oldrazz:

[Aesop Rocks]

teehee. Maybe~

[KalMart]

Except Shockey is quite a bit larger than Hemsworth.

[Aesop Rocks]

Yeah, but Hemsworth is the one with the hammer. ;)

[BoredGuy]

Hemsworth looks just like Shockey minus the douche

[SpiderByte]

Hemsworth could actually be a fantastic football player if he wanted to. He put on so much bulk in so little time. He lost, like, ten pounds of muscle just from not eating as much as he did while filming.

[KalMart]

Hemsworth looks just like Shockey minus the douche

HAAAAA-hahahaha! :awesome::woot:

[KalMart]

Hemsworth could actually be a fantastic football player if he wanted to. He put on so much bulk in so little time. He lost, like, ten pounds of muscle just from not eating as much as he did while filming.

He's still a bit short at 'only' 6' 2"......maybe if he was really fast, or he had really good hands as a short-route receiver. Football players in general are gigantic. Even the 'thin' ones.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I'm really getting glad this movie's on the way. Apart from Batman and Superman which there's no info on yet, Thor and GL are the only superhero movies I'm hyped for.

[Parker Wayne]

Hemsworth looks just like Shockey minus the douche

Oh my god that was f**king hilarious :lmao:

[KalMart]

He is a douche.

[Parker Wayne]

He is a douche.

He played for the Miami Hurricanes (Coming from a fan). Of course he is haha. Most of them are cocky a-holes.

[Guhndoi]

Hemsworth could actually be a fantastic football player if he wanted to. He put on so much bulk in so little time. He lost, like, ten pounds of muscle just from not eating as much as he did while filming.

Rugby Union/League right? HeHe!

[KalMart]

He played for the Miami Hurricanes (Coming from a fan). Of course he is haha. Most of them are cocky a-holes.

Lifelong Giants fan here. I liked him a lot when he first came on the scene...but then he turned into an absolute tool. Not having him and Tiki around was a big key to Eli leading the G-Men to the promised land in '07. Was glad that he left, but was pissed he won one with the Saints. Screw'im anyway. :woot:

[SpiderByte]

Back to Thor.

[RetroNaz]

He kinda looks like Jim Kirk's dad on steroids ;)

[Wolvieboy17]

Agreed. Although I find it funny the twist that this convo has gone to... about 2 years ago this board was full of footballers who "should be Thor", now theres a Thor who should be a footballer.

[KalMart]

He kinda looks like Jim Kirk's dad on steroids ;)

Or Jeremy Shockey at a costume party.....minus the douche.


:D

[Parker Wayne]

Agreed. Although I find it funny the twist that this convo has gone to... about 2 years ago this board was full of footballers who "should be Thor", now theres a Thor who should be a footballer.

Don't forget wrestlers. There was a huge following of people wanting Triple H to be Thor. Imagine how that would've been......

[SpiderByte]

One person suggested John Cena as Captain America.

*shudder*

[KalMart]

Don't forget wrestlers. There was a huge following of people wanting Triple H to be Thor. Imagine how that would've been......

Kinda' like suggesting various models or athletes for Superman....because they might have 'the look'.

[SpiderByte]

Arnold Schwarzenneger for Thor.

[SpiderByte]

More ****ing lag.

[Wolvieboy17]

Don't forget wrestlers. There was a huge following of people wanting Triple H to be Thor. Imagine how that would've been......

Yeah, I remember that. I remember one poster in particular who was utterly convinced that Triple H was the ONLY person who could possibly play him. Christ some people make me want to go Godzilla on everyone.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thankfully, those are mere memories of a less enlightened time now. Kenneth Branagh cast an actor, naturally. Also, he's Kenneth Branagh, so I'm sure he's managed to get a great performance out of Hemsworth. :up:

[Wolvieboy17]

Thankfully, those are mere memories of a less enlightened time now. Kenneth Branagh cast an actor, naturally. Also, he's Kenneth Branagh, so I'm sure he's managed to get a great performance out of Hemsworth.

Lol this reminded me of the Thomas Jane cameo in Arrested Development.

"I'm Tom Jane? No, sorry, you don't get it... I'm Tom Jane."

[Hmarrs]

He kinda looks like Jim Kirk's dad on steroids ;)
Helmsworth is the guy who plyed Kirks Dad.

[TheCorpulent1]

I believe that was a joke, Hmarrs. :)

[Wolvieboy17]

Helmsworth is the guy who plyed Kirks Dad.

Yeah right, next you'll be telling us that the guy playing Captain America was also the Human Torch...

[Brian Braddock]

Unfortunately, you run into that extreme level of idiocy from time to time on the hype - it's pretty much more of a constant than gravity. :whatever:

I mean, only about an hour ago on the GL forum I admittedly let fly at someone for posting the old 'that's the worst thing I've ever seen!!!!' fanboy over-reaction in regards to the costume. I know I shouldnt have but it just got the better of me.

I'm expecting a :nono: anytime soon.

[lixdexia]

Unfortunately, you run into that extreme level of idiocy from time to time on the hype - it's pretty much more of a constant than gravity. :whatever:

I mean, only about an hour ago on the GL forum I admittedly let fly at someone for posting the old 'that's the worst thing I've ever seen!!!!' fanboy over-reaction in regards to the costume. I know I shouldnt have but it just got the better of me.

I'm expecting a :nono: anytime soon.that was hardly letting it fly. it was barely a paragraph and had no real insults, it was more of a "...really!?" post

[Brian Braddock]

For me, that was me letting fly. :D. I'm normally so laid-back, if I was anymoreso I'd be vertical.

[Wolvieboy17]

Don't worry Brian, I know your pain. Sometimes the tolerance meter just hits it's limit and you need to vent. It happens. Most of the time the recipient is fairly deserving anyway.

[SpiderByte]

*checks GL forum*

Wow.

Brian opened up a can of Diet Whoop-Ass.

[lixdexia]

For me, that was me letting fly. :D. I'm normally so laid-back, if I was anymoreso I'd be vertical.
you mean horizontal? or that you are so laid back that to be moreso you;d have to be doing a handstand and thus become vertical again?

[Brian Braddock]

>sniff< it just gets so hard sometimes :waa: >sniff<

:woot:

[Brian Braddock]

you mean horizontal? or that you are so laid back that to be moreso you;d have to be doing a handstand and thus become vertical again?

Haha - yes, I meant horizontal. What I actually said doesnt make any sense. :hehe:

[Wolvieboy17]

Having read it, it was actually pretty tame Brian. Even when you lose it, you're still reasoned and sensible. Well done.

It reminds me of the good ol 'JK for Cap' casting days, when you and I had to keep each other sane with logical comments, amidst a sea of complete and utter nonsense.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Appearently Nick Fury is worthy!






































http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h71/m-col/Thor/Thor_L_Jackson.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, ridiculous. :D

[Compi716]

Appearently Nick Fury is worthy!http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h71/m-col/Thor/Thor_L_Jackson.jpg
You know those times when the editors of comics run out of good ideas and decide to do something "racy" just for the sake of it, like giving Superman an electric blue costume or crapping on Spider-Man?

This is next.

[TheCorpulent1]

I live in constant dread of the next mope who's gonna come along and lift Thor's hammer. It'll happen someday, but frankly, Bill, Cap, and the handful of others who've done so already are more than enough for me.

[SpiderByte]

I never understood why Deadpool is among that list.

[TheCorpulent1]

He's not, it was a fake.

[SpiderByte]

Oh.

That makes a lot of sense.

[Wolvieboy17]

Lol I can just picture Deadpools excitement at the prospect of being worthy though. I need to pick me up some more recent Deadpool stuff lol

[SpiderByte]

He'd gloat to everyone.

[Vartha]

heh I can see the moment DP lifts Mjolnir he gloats with it in the air and instantly becomes unworthy, then Mjolnir drops to the ground onto DPS foot trapping it under Mjolnir. lol

[Spider-Vader]

Lol I can just picture Deadpools excitement at the prospect of being worthy though. I need to pick me up some more recent Deadpool stuff lol

I think Deadpool had "Thor's Hammer" in one of the classic comics.

[SpiderByte]

heh I can see the moment DP lifts Mjolnir he gloats with it in the air and instantly becomes unworthy, then Mjolnir drops to the ground onto DPS foot trapping it under Mjolnir. lol

That is very likely.

Or he could cut off his foot.

[Ye Black Knight]

Lo, for this knight hath waited in agonizing aeons for the return of this God of Thunder to thine rightful place: upon all screens of this puny world!
Whence Mighty Thor joine'th'd forces with the Incredible Hulk upon screens of television in the tale "The Incredible Hulk Returns" this knight was certain Mighty Thor would reign joyous tales upon our televised world e'rmore! NAY! For Thor's power be'ith of a might incalculable to thine whimpering fools of cbs!!! Ye green behemoth Hulk suffer'eth the same indifference from this "netork" of nimrods!!! Fie, to these lumbering oafs!
Indeed, for the seeds of Thor's cinematic triumph shall soon come to bloom!
Verily, for this knight count'eth every tedius moment until het may witness Thor's triumph upon the screen most silver!



Hail Thor!


Hail Superherohype!



This post now concludeth!

[Aesop Rocks]

Hey Byte what's good?

[BizarroAids]

Someones been reading "Stan Lees Twitter page"...

[Aesop Rocks]

His Twitter is so damn annoying. Dude tweets too much.

[BizarroAids]

Give the guy a break. He's 87. Be happy he even remembers his name.

[Vartha]

Thor Mighty Avenger sold out the 1st two issues and a 2nd printing for both for those of you who missed it and want a new series to read. :D
http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.13740...._mighty_avenger (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.13740.the_magic_of_thor%7Ecolon%7E_th e_mighty_avenger)

[TheCorpulent1]

Lol I can just picture Deadpools excitement at the prospect of being worthy though. I need to pick me up some more recent Deadpool stuff lol
The hammer incident was waaaay back in Christopher Priest's run.

[Shivsguy616]

Thor Mighty Avenger sold out the 1st two issues and a 2nd printing for both for those of you who missed it and want a new series to read. :D
http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.13740...._mighty_avenger (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.13740.the_magic_of_thor%7Ecolon%7E_th e_mighty_avenger)
Double Rainbow? DOUBLE RAINBOW? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX0D4oZwCsA

[TheCorpulent1]

While it's great that that series is selling well, I always hate seeing stuff like "free from the confines of continuity" in reviews. Continuity has the potential to be enriching or confining, and the only deciding factor is how good the writer is. :o

[Spider-Vader]

I honestly don't get the Astonishing comics. Does that mean Astonishing X-Men is in continuity or out?

[TheCorpulent1]

Warren Ellis' Astonishing X-Men is not. The other Astonishing titles are, but they're not necessarily tied to a specific point in continuity. Like, Beast is still with the X-Men in Xenogenesis and they're dealing with problems that have now been rendered obsolete by Second Coming. It's basically just to give writers a chance to write the "real" characters without as much baggage. Personally, I think that's kind of cheap because, as I said, continuity can be hugely enriching if used right, but Robert Rodi is writing Astonishing Thor, so I'm confident it'll be supremely awesome regardless. :)

[Gamma Burst]

Thor Mighty Avenger sold out the 1st two issues and a 2nd printing for both for those of you who missed it and want a new series to read. :D
http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.13740...._mighty_avenger (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.13740.the_magic_of_thor%7Ecolon%7E_th e_mighty_avenger)

This is great news.I simply love this series.:up:

[Saint]

Warren Ellis' Astonishing X-Men is not. The other Astonishing titles are, but they're not necessarily tied to a specific point in continuity. Like, Beast is still with the X-Men in Xenogenesis and they're dealing with problems that have now been rendered obsolete by Second Coming. It's basically just to give writers a chance to write the "real" characters without as much baggage. Personally, I think that's kind of cheap because, as I said, continuity can be hugely enriching if used right, but Robert Rodi is writing Astonishing Thor, so I'm confident it'll be supremely awesome regardless. :)
I think you're mistaken. The main title, like Xenogenesis (which are both written by Ellis) is in continuity, but as you say, they are both significantly behind chronologically, as the result of the series' chronic lateness.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, I'm not reading either. I was going by what others have told me. One guy who's all about the X-Men comics on our Marvel Comics board said that Astonishing X-Men was pretty definitively not in continuity.

[Vartha]

This is great news.I simply love this series.:up:
INDEED it is!
If you've read issue 3 like I was saying THIS book seems to use the same ideas as some of the movie and JMS's run.

[Whiskey Tango]

Thor Mighty Avenger sold out the 1st two issues and a 2nd printing for both for those of you who missed it and want a new series to read. :D
http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.13740...._mighty_avenger (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.13740.the_magic_of_thor%7Ecolon%7E_th e_mighty_avenger)

I saw some bits of this book on Scans Daily and it looks amazing. I love the art so much it hurts. :hrt:

I'm not buying single issues anymore but the trade is mine.

[Chewy]

http://www.liveforfilms.com/2010/08/25/kenneth-branagh-tom-hiddleston-kevin-feige-talk-about-thor-and-the-avengers/

Video of Branagh, Hiddleston and Feige at Movie Con III

[Vartha]

http://www.liveforfilms.com/2010/08/25/kenneth-branagh-tom-hiddleston-kevin-feige-talk-about-thor-and-the-avengers/

Video of Branagh, Hiddleston and Feige at Movie Con III
Nice! Thanks Chewy!

[Spider-Vader]

I don't know, I'm not reading either. I was going by what others have told me. One guy who's all about the X-Men comics on our Marvel Comics board said that Astonishing X-Men was pretty definitively not in continuity.

Whedon's run was atleast in continuity right?

From what I've heard 'Astonishing Spider-Man & Wolverine' was pretty good, so I'll definitely check out 'Astonishing Thor'.

[TheCorpulent1]

Whedon's run had to be in continuity, given that Brand, Dr. Rao, and other stuff he introduced is still around in the current comics.

[Surfer]

http://www.liveforfilms.com/2010/08/25/kenneth-branagh-tom-hiddleston-kevin-feige-talk-about-thor-and-the-avengers/

Video of Branagh, Hiddleston and Feige at Movie Con III

This interview was incredible. About 20 minutes of pure goodness. Thanks for sharing Chewy.:yay:

Surfer

[kirbyfan]

Comic book movies are easy for me, I want the comic book brought to life!

I don't care about modern times and all that, to me that's just nonsense. I want the comic book version of these characters, not the directors version.

I understand that some things have to be changed because of the live action format, but still stick to the freaking comic book!

Christopher Nolans Batman is pretty good, but when he said that his Batman doesn't exist in the world with Wonder Woman or Superman, well that's not the Batman I want to see. I want the DC comic book Batman!

I also want the more fantasy side of Thor, the Marvel comic book Thor, I like seeing Asgard and the Rainbow Bridge and the Frost Giants and all the fantasy elements. The Earth stuff is ok, but the more fantasy type material is what I'm looking forward to!

I truly hope this movie is epic and grand in scale. It should be on the scale of Gladiator and Troy!

[JAK®]

Marvel Comics' Thor is all about being a Norse god walking among mortals to learn humility. So the Earth aspect of his story is just as important, if not more, than the Asgard part.

This isn't Norse mythology, it's Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's comic about that Norse myth in a modern setting.

Considering this is the 'origin' of that Thor, where he is banished and has to learn how to be humble, the earth part is pretty important, don't you think? Or do you want this movie to be 2 hours of Thor fighting Frost Giants?

Let me put it this way; Iron Man wasn't good because of the fight with Iron Monger. It was good because of Tony Stark's change from spoiled rich brat to selfless hero. Iron Man was about building the suit. Thor is about picking up the hammer.

[al35077]

^^ Couldn't have said that any better

[lixdexia]

Let me put it this way; Iron Man wasn't good because of the fight with Iron Monger. It was good because of Tony Stark's change from spoiled rich brat to selfless hero. Iron Man was about building the suit.when was that? i must have missed that part.

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, he's a selfless hero with an ego roughly the size of Texas still. ;)

[Aesop Rocks]

Thor's ego is the size of Texas. Which is why he didn't put Asgard there. Not enough room for him AND his ego. :o

[lixdexia]

Haha, he's a selfless hero with an ego roughly the size of Texas still. ;)
what i'm saying is, the only selfless act tony makes in the whole movie is saving that car durring the iron monger fight. after that the closest you get is him giving up and telling pepper to kill him in order to kill stane also. every other action he makes in that movie is about making himself feel better, if it helps someone else in the process so be it, but that's goal #1.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, yeah, but that's how Iron Man is in the comics, too. He's had his selfless moments, but his actions usually tend to be self-serving on some level as well. "Armor Wars" is a really obvious example: he was taking his tech off the market so people who would abuse it couldn't get ahold of it, but he was also just taking it all back because it was his intellectual property and he ought to control who uses it, even if it's a perfectly harmless guy like Stingray.

[lixdexia]

i'm not arguing comics accuracy or entertainment value, i'm saying selfless is not a word that applies to iron man. superman is selfless, spider-man is selfless, batman is but to a slightly lesser degree, but not iron man, especially in the movie.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, well yeah, I agree.

[al35077]

Well in the movie he stopped selling weapons completely tearing his company's stock prices to pieces and losing quite a bit of money himself I'm sure. And what about saving that village, that was pretty selfless wasn't it?

[lixdexia]

Well in the movie he stopped selling weapons completely tearing his company's stock prices to pieces and losing quite a bit of money himself I'm sure. And what about saving that village, that was pretty selfless wasn't it?
no, because he went there for revenge. revenge is not a selfless act. nor is endangering the livelihoods of thousands of workers because you no longer feel comfortable with what they produce. both of those things were done so that he could feel better about himself.

[marcvader]

I don't consider Tony a selfless character.

[Cosmic]

http://www.liveforfilms.com/2010/08/25/kenneth-branagh-tom-hiddleston-kevin-feige-talk-about-thor-and-the-avengers/

Video of Branagh, Hiddleston and Feige at Movie Con III

Nice! Thanks Chewy!

^Agreed. Thanks for sharing this!

[TheCorpulent1]

no, because he went there for revenge. revenge is not a selfless act. nor is endangering the livelihoods of thousands of workers because you no longer feel comfortable with what they produce. both of those things were done so that he could feel better about himself.
Yeah, it seemed like he didn't really do much to replace those military contracts. In the second movie, he mentions privatizing world peace, but he hasn't really privatized anything. He owns one Iron Man suit and he just goes out and does what he wants with it. He's not making any money off of it or providing jobs because the only ones who work on the Iron Man armor are himself and JARVIS.

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't think IM 1 was revenge for Stark. Stark is the kind of person where he thinks much larger and broader than personal things, even if his judgement is being affected by personal issues. I think Tony Stark is the kind of person who genuinely thinks he can singlehandedly save the world, which was his motivation in IM 1. It'll be interesting to see how his ego handles this in the avengers when he meets a higher life form/God and a legendary hero (and perhaps to a lesser extent a giant green monster lol)

Also, they didn't mention it directly in the second one, but he talked about using the Ark Reactor for clean energy, so maybe thats where some money comes from.

[JAK®]

when was that? i must have missed that part.
"I have to protect the people I put in harms way"

Maybe selfless is the wrong word, but Iron Man was definitely about Tony Stark going from spoiled brat to hero.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think IM 1 was revenge for Stark. Stark is the kind of person where he thinks much larger and broader than personal things, even if his judgement is being affected by personal issues. I think Tony Stark is the kind of person who genuinely thinks he can singlehandedly save the world, which was his motivation in IM 1. It'll be interesting to see how his ego handles this in the avengers when he meets a higher life form/God and a legendary hero (and perhaps to a lesser extent a giant green monster lol)

Also, they didn't mention it directly in the second one, but he talked about using the Ark Reactor for clean energy, so maybe thats where some money comes from.
There didn't seem to be much progress on mass-producing the ARC reactor for anything, though. Probably because, as we learn in the second movie, it requires a palladium core that would slowly kill people. Although now, with his super-sci-fi new element, he might start. We'll see in IM 3, I guess.

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't think you can boil Tony Stark down to one thing, he's both selfless and selfish. He's genuinely wants to help people, but part of that is to give assuage his own guilt in the first place. We've seen that from him in the comics too, especially Civil War and stuff, where his personal anxieties, guilt and hang ups gets mixed up with his wanting to save the world.

[Wolvieboy17]

There didn't seem to be much progress on mass-producing the ARC reactor for anything, though. Probably because, as we learn in the second movie, it requires a palladium core that would slowly kill people. Although now, with his super-sci-fi new element, he might start. We'll see in IM 3, I guess.

I don't think the implication in the first one was ever that people would have Arc reactors in their chests like Tony Stark, more for clean energy to replace coal power and nuclear power. And they don't mention what they've done with the technology in IM 2, but Howard Stark does mention again of his dream to deliver a new, clean energy for the world.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think he's certainly noble and he has good intentions, but I still wouldn't necessarily call him selfless. Lex Luthor truly believes he'd be helping people by killing Superman and leading humanity to fulfill its own potential by any means necessary, too. ;) There are loads of ways to act on a kernel of what would seem to be selfless, pure-hearted intentions, many of which necessarily bury the selflessness itself in the process.

[Wolvieboy17]

I think we also need to consider too that Tony Stark is still very much a character mid development. Where he is by the end of IM 2 is basically on the sidelines because of his character flaws. Personally, I don't think we're really going to see how much of a hero Stark can be until he's introduced to his counterpart, Cap. Thats what happened in the comics. His character arc is far from over.

Also, I think it's through the Avengers as well that Stark really embraces being a hero. He's not just doing it himself, he's following orders and thinking for the good of others, rather than himself.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that's a fair point. The Avengers tend to give him the kicks to his ego necessary for him to grow as a hero and a person. :up:

[kirbyfan]

My point was, bring the comic book to life, not some directors version of these characters.

I want to see the live action comic book!

[scatterax]

My point was, bring the comic book to life, not some directors version of these characters.

I want to see the live action comic book!


the problem w/ that is most comic stories require you to already no allot about each character in them. not only that but they all (now) feel like they are starting in the middle of a story rather than a biginning, and the onging nature of comics means that allot of things aren't tied up by the end of a story. that's why hollywood go for the condensed version of heros most of the time.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it's kind of impossible to condense 40 years of continuity into one film, especially since many of these characters were created so long ago and have evolved so much that just adapting their very first stories would make them seem weird even to fans.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Interview with Idris Elba (Heimdall - "Thor")

1) You just finished your stint filming Thor as the Asgardian warrior Heimdall. How was that?

IE: "It was dope. It was an interesting genre of film to make. I had never done comic book stuff, so that was really great."

2) What was the coolest part?

IE: "Just the bigness of the show. It’s so epic, these huge sets were just amazing to look at. And they really pat attention to detail. When you read the comics, you see all the drawings, and to actually see them in real life, it’s like, “Whoa!”"

3) Do you see yourself doing another superhero character or are you good with the crime dramas?

IE: "I have a deal with the Marvel Studios team, a four-picture commitment. I’m sure I’ll be back in something cool."

[TheCorpulent1]

Hmm, 4 pictures of Heimdall, possibly? I wonder if he'll be in Avengers.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Hmm, 4 pictures of Heimdall, possibly? I wonder if he'll be in Avengers.
Yeah, man, I hope so too. It should be like this:

* Thor
* The Avengers
* Thor 2
* Thor 3

Or he will have some cameos in some other Marvel movies, which will be a little bit strange.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Idris Elba? Damn... he annoyed me in The Losers and I didn't like him when he was on The Office.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Idris Elba? Damn... he annoyed me in The Losers and I didn't like him when he was on The Office.
Just look into his eyes in Thor footage. They're crazy and he looks pretty neat as Heimdall, if you ask me)

[RealIrOnMaN]

Baltimore Comic-Con 2010 (Thor Spotlight Panel) - Legendary "Thor" writer & artist Walter Simonson talks about the set visit of the movie:
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLktUG4PiMkxBLaqSlFcq4HqdavZKtu hzsaa9r4yHWrzedpf0&t=1&usg=__7pXJETlBCcBOWVesJYCdEIFxMoU=
Tom Brevoort: "Walt, I know you and Ralph Macchio (editor at Marvel) flew out to the Thor set, what can you talk about without getting in trouble?"

Walter Simonson: "Essentially what happened was Marvel Studios invited me, my wife, and Ralph to come out and be on the set for 3 days.

The character arcs, the general story looks really interesting to me.

The problem is, whenever anything gets out there on the internet, there are a million opinions from guys who don't know crap about what they're talking about. So I don't wanna know a lot about it ahead of time.

I know there's some stuff I worked on in there, some of the Olivier Coipel stuff is in there, there's Kirby stuff in there.

So, the photograph came out, and people were asking without knowing that I'd been on the set and seen the costume in motion.

When he's (Chris Hemsworth) walking around in it, he looks GREAT. The costume is great, it even has the Kirby flip to the cape.

What it comes down to is, movies are their own thing; they don't have to be JUST like the comic.

I don't know a lot about movies, but everybody working on the film, Kenneth Branagh, everyone. We met a lot of people, all the actors, people that work on the set, everybody was delighted to be there, working on the movie.

I know that's no real measure of how the film's gonna be when it's finished, but what we saw, how it looked, the care being taken; they were working their asses off, and it looked like it'll pay off.

If I don't see a lot of my stuff up there, I don't care, it's a movie, it is its own thing.

When I saw Iron Man 2 at the screening in NYC, and Agent Colton says "I have to go, there's a situation in New Mexico" we looked at each other and said "we're like the only 3 people here that know what that means!" Of course, then there's the end credits scene, but it was still really cool.

Marvel Studios was very open with us though, about what they were doing and how they were doing it."

Question: "What do you think of the leaked trailer footage of Thor?"

Simonson and Brevoort both said they liked the footage a lot, but weren't happy it was leaked.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

"Weren't happy it was leaked"

Yeah, God forbid it gets thousands of people hyped for your movie.

[Vartha]

Baltimore Comic-Con 2010 (Thor Spotlight Panel) - Legendary "Thor" writer & artist Walter Simonson talks about the set visit of the movie:
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Tom Brevoort: "Walt, I know you and Ralph Macchio (editor at Marvel) flew out to the Thor set, what can you talk about without getting in trouble?"

Walter Simonson: "Essentially what happened was Marvel Studios invited me, my wife, and Ralph to come out and be on the set for 3 days.

The character arcs, the general story looks really interesting to me.

The problem is, whenever anything gets out there on the internet, there are a million opinions from guys who don't know crap about what they're talking about. So I don't wanna know a lot about it ahead of time.

I know there's some stuff I worked on in there, some of the Olivier Coipel stuff is in there, there's Kirby stuff in there.

So, the photograph came out, and people were asking without knowing that I'd been on the set and seen the costume in motion.

When he's (Chris Hemsworth) walking around in it, he looks GREAT. The costume is great, it even has the Kirby flip to the cape.

What it comes down to is, movies are their own thing; they don't have to be JUST like the comic.

I don't know a lot about movies, but everybody working on the film, Kenneth Branagh, everyone. We met a lot of people, all the actors, people that work on the set, everybody was delighted to be there, working on the movie.

I know that's no real measure of how the film's gonna be when it's finished, but what we saw, how it looked, the care being taken; they were working their asses off, and it looked like it'll pay off.

If I don't see a lot of my stuff up there, I don't care, it's a movie, it is its own thing.

When I saw Iron Man 2 at the screening in NYC, and Agent Colton says "I have to go, there's a situation in New Mexico" we looked at each other and said "we're like the only 3 people here that know what that means!" Of course, then there's the end credits scene, but it was still really cool.

Marvel Studios was very open with us though, about what they were doing and how they were doing it."

Question: "What do you think of the leaked trailer footage of Thor?"

Simonson and Brevoort both said they liked the footage a lot, but weren't happy it was leaked.
SWEET Great to hear Walt saw the stuff.

[TheCorpulent1]

Kind of sad that it sounds like Simonson is one of those creators who thinks fans on the internet are more trouble than we're worth, but I'm glad he liked what he saw on the set. I definitely see some influences from his own work in there.

[Parker Wayne]

I don't its sad. I think its true. There are many people on the internet who think they can make a film, but can't.

[TheCorpulent1]

There are many people who work in Hollywood who think they can make a film but can't too. Everyone's entitled to their opinions and, unless you're a total jerk about it, I would think creators would like to hear what fans think of things. But some just write the whole lot of us off as pompous blowhards.

[Parker Wayne]

It definitely goes both ways. I mean I don't see a lot of dumb ideas here but other sites are a bit more crazy and insane.

EDIT: I mean how many times have fans attacked a certain aspect of a film, calls it a failure before it comes out, and it becomes a hit. I believe thats what he's talking about.

[TheCorpulent1]

True, there are always the people who are genuinely idiots or jerks. But I personally think discussions among fans are a good thing. Which is probably evident by my post count on here. ;)

[Parker Wayne]

Agreed. I believe he's just talking about the more extreme cases where a person writes off or threatens to boycott a film because of one element that's included or not included.

[Silvermoth]

yeah, I remember before Iron Man came out one fanboy said they were boycotting Iron Man because "RDJ is a drug addict".

Somehow I don't think Marvel cared when the box office numbers came in.

[Aeltri]

There are many people who work in Hollywood who think they can make a film but can't too. Everyone's entitled to their opinions and, unless you're a total jerk about it, I would think creators would like to hear what fans think of things. But some just write the whole lot of us off as pompous blowhards.

Amen to that :dry:. I think Walt's a bit miffed at folks who whine (or rant) endlessly about every single change, even when it's an improvement and/or absolutely necessary. You know, the kind of people who write off any effort, no matter how well thought out to adapt a comic book into film. "The costumes look like crap and the movie's going to blow etc." without even seeing the finished footage. That said, I agree that creators and producers shouldn't lump all of us together and that our criticisms and concerns are often well founded. We've been burned so many times by Hollywood, is it really any wonder we fly into nerdrage over 'trivial' oversights that come opening day aren't so trivial after all? Sometimes it takes a knowledgeable outsider, with less in the way of an ego and personal investment in a property to point out exactly what doesn't work.

[CanaryFan]

"Weren't happy it was leaked"

Yeah, God forbid it gets thousands of people hyped for your movie.



From their point of view there is nothing like wasting all that hype a year early!

[Vartha]

there's a new trailer on you tube floating around with new music and Scenes!

[marvel_freshman]

I hope you're not talking about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOu3Ch1s24E

[thegameq]

That said, I agree that creators and producers shouldn't lump all of us together and that our criticisms and concerns are often well founded. We've been burned so many times by Hollywood, is it really any wonder we fly into nerdrage over 'trivial' oversights that come opening day aren't so trivial after all? Sometimes it takes a knowledgeable outsider, with less in the way of an ego and personal investment in a property to point out exactly what doesn't work.

That's all it really comes down to.

How many times have we been burned by "know it all" directors and writers? How many times have we all seen or heard the red flags go off for some of these films, and then have our fears confirmed in the final product? Hell, some fans have even been able to descible the horrid changes to the end product even before the film is announced. That's how predictable it has become.

We just want the movie to be a "reasonable, close as can can" be translation of the comicbook? That's all...we're not asking for world peace or an end to world hunger........hell Donner and Raimi did it with ease. Favreau did it......so alot of fans have developed higher expectations with these films and justifiably call bull***** on any excuse or redflags when they see and hear it.

With today's SFX and so many fantasy writers and directors who have been influenced in so way or form by a comicbook, fantasy film, etc., there really is very little reason for so many comicbook films to come out crappy.

........that's really all there is to it.....it's not rocket science.

[Vartha]

I hope you're not talking about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOu3Ch1s24E
The one I was talking about WAS a fan made of the SDCC trailer. A friend told me about it. :cmad:

[RealIrOnMaN]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRa71c_BY9v1RVPtUSoWTFSvvb2Y13kH 64XtYe8klho3XxsZTE&t=1&usg=__p4mb8Z5lATLy_KYCMXQZ7RBA2Zw=
Q: Obviously there has been a concentrated effort to tie the various Marvel films together, whether it be Nick Fury in Iron Man, Tony Stark in the Hulk, or Thor's hammer in Iron Man 2. Will that be the case with Captain America as well?

Joe Johnston: "There are links between all the MARVEL films, mostly ones that only the fans will pick up on. We have several subtle references to certain elements in THOR, but since CAPTAIN AMERICA is a period picture taking place in the 40's, there are fewer opportunities for contemporary links to the rest of the MARVEL universe. We can, however, create events in our story that will be paid off in AVENGERS and other MARVEL pictures."

[Figs]

Nice!

*waits for people to come in bashing how small references to the Avengers and other Marvel films will ruin Thor*

[Parker Wayne]

Nice!

*waits for people to come in bashing how small references to the Avengers and other Marvel films will ruin Thor*

Its a Thor movie Not an Avengers film! I don't care if they spend 10 seconds on The Avengers its too much! :cmad::o

[Spider-Vader]

How dare they do what happens in the comics regularly!!!

[The Question]

no, because he went there for revenge.

Did he? I never got that implication when I saw the film.

[GoblinWhirlwind]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRa71c_BY9v1RVPtUSoWTFSvvb2Y13kH 64XtYe8klho3XxsZTE&t=1&usg=__p4mb8Z5lATLy_KYCMXQZ7RBA2Zw=
Q: Obviously there has been a concentrated effort to tie the various Marvel films together, whether it be Nick Fury in Iron Man, Tony Stark in the Hulk, or Thor's hammer in Iron Man 2. Will that be the case with Captain America as well?

Joe Johnston: "There are links between all the MARVEL films, mostly ones that only the fans will pick up on. We have several subtle references to certain elements in THOR, but since CAPTAIN AMERICA is a period picture taking place in the 40's, there are fewer opportunities for contemporary links to the rest of the MARVEL universe. We can, however, create events in our story that will be paid off in AVENGERS and other MARVEL pictures."

Damn, I wish DC movies had been doing this all long. It would've been so awesome to have heard just a brief passing reference to a "mysterious brightly clad super-man in Metropolis" in Batman Begins.

[al35077]

i remeber goerge cloony saying "This is why superman works alone" but that doesnt count because that movie sucked big time

[scatterax]

superman returns had a scene where it showed a gotham news report on superman.

[Parker Wayne]

superman returns had a scene where it showed a gotham news report on superman.

And thats all I would need to be happy in terms of a DC film universe.

[Brian Braddock]

i remeber goerge cloony saying "This is why superman works alone" but that doesnt count because that movie sucked big time

And before that, Kilmer referenced Metropolis in Batman Forever.

[DarkKnight88]

How dare they do what happens in the comics regularly!!!

Movies aren't comics. Tiny references are fine but when it becomes Iron Man 2 it's a problem. There's a reason why Iron Man is beloved by general audiences and Iron Man 2 isn't.

[The Squirrel]

Iron Man 2 was pretty awesome, so I don't really see what the problem was. But hey, that's my opinion.

[Parker Wayne]

Movies aren't comics. Tiny references are fine but when it becomes Iron Man 2 it's a problem. There's a reason why Iron Man is beloved by general audiences and Iron Man 2 isn't.

Iron Man 2 is beloved by general audiences, thought not as much as Iron Man. It gets ripped apart by mostly comic book fans. You may say that it grossed less than the first film, but so did Spiderman 2.

Fans have long wanted these references in films and now that they got it they complain anyway.

[ddddeeee]

Of all the SH franchises that really broke out with their first film, like Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and Iron Man, Iron Man 2 was the one that grossed the highest percentage of the first movie.

[Parker Wayne]

And Iron Man 2 outgrossed Iron Man worldwide

[Wolvieboy17]

I wasn't aware that Iron Man 2 was disliked by a general audience. I'm pretty sure it grossed more internationally than IM 1.

Don't forget too that IM was more of a bridging film than the others will be. Iron Man was referencing and setting up Thor, Cap and Avengers, all franchises yet to be seen by a general audience. I'm sure, the other way around, no one will care about a reference to Iron Man or Stark Industries in Thor or Cap, once people actually know what they are.

[Parker Wayne]

^ Thats because it wasn't disliked by the GA.

[DarkKnight88]

Batman, Superman and Spider-Man were KNOWN by the general public. Iron Man wasn't. So those first films had an incredible amount of built up hype to them. The first Iron Man was an introduction to most people.
If the sequel was as beloved as the first movie it would've grossed more. It opened bigger yet its legs weren't as great (and this summer didn't have the enormous Dark Knight as competition). Don't get me wrong, it was a big hit movie. But if it was more in vein of the first Iron Man as its own movie, I'm sure it would've grossed 400 M domestically.



Don't forget too that IM was more of a bridging film than the others will be. Iron Man was referencing and setting up Thor, Cap and Avengers, all franchises yet to be seen by a general audience. I'm sure, the other way around, no one will care about a reference to Iron Man or Stark Industries in Thor or Cap, once people actually know what they are.

Which is my point. It should be a movie first (ala. the first Iron Man) not a set up for later movies. Thor and Captain America should all set up their universes like the first Iron Man. Not go the route of Iron Man 2. Even Jon Favreau was said to have been annoyed at the demands Marvel put on him instead of simply telling the main story at hand. These films shouldn't become set ups. They should have little references but not subplots that have no bearing on the actual story being told.

[Parker Wayne]

I never said it was as beloved as the first film, but it was received positively by the GA. Go on any site with user voting and you will see that was received positively, though not as positive as the first Iron Man.

[DarkKnight88]

I never said it was as beloved as the first film, but it was received positively by the GA. Go on any site with user voting and you will see that was received positively, though not as positive as the first Iron Man.

I never said it wasn't liked. But if you notice the complaints people had were the shoehorned SHIELD storyline and how it slowed down the rest of the movie. The parts people praised mainly had to do with the main Tony Stark story.

[Parker Wayne]

No one complained about SHIELD other than comic fans. People did complained about BW but not about SHIELD presence because they don't even know about Iron Man mythos or SHIELD. It felt natural to many people including me. Every non-comic fan I talked to had no problems with SHIELD or Nick Fury.

Oh and to stay on topic, SHIELD's presence in Thor I believe will feel natural too. The problem I see with fans having SHIELD in the film is that they are already aware of what's going to happen.

[DarkKnight88]

No one complained about SHIELD other than comic fans. People did complained about BW but not about SHIELD presence because they don't even know about Iron Man mythos or SHIELD. It felt natural to many people including me. Every non-comic fan I talked to had no problems with SHIELD or Nick Fury.

Well every non-comic fan I've talked to wondered why these characters were even there as they served no purpose to the overall story. In fact, they felt that Mickey Rourke's screen time suffered because of it.

Anyway, I just hope this doesn't happen to Thor or Captain America. All I was saying was I hope it's more Iron Man 1 than Iron Man 2 in terms of these "references".

[Wolvieboy17]

The complaints weren't the references or the SHIELD story bits, but rather that the pacing dragged a bit in the middle (with the party scene being the most commonly cited part where this occurred). If anything introducing Fury picked the pace back up and suddenly added another element to move things forward. He basically just appears, says "Heres some info and plot devices, enjoy".

[TheCorpulent1]

I think they will be. After all, we're not dealing with Thor 2 or Captain America 2 here. Marvel stuck with just the small references in Iron Man, and given that these are the first movies Thor and Cap will be in, I suspect they'll follow that same model with these. These are the movies to establish the characters. If there are sequels, those will probably be made to tie into the movieverse a bit more.

[Parker Wayne]

Well every non-comic fan I've talked to wondered why these characters were even there as they served no purpose to the overall story. In fact, they felt that Mickey Rourke's screen time suffered because of it.


I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm weary to believe you since Nick Fury was practically a plot device and deus ex Machima (which I didn't like) in the film. He served a huge purpose to the overall story. Black Widow however...........

However, I don't understand the complaints of People saying Iron Man wasn't in the film enough. And I'm not talking about the Iron Man costume. Some people actually thought RDJ wasn't in the film enough. :huh:

[Wolvieboy17]

The only criticism i read about Rourkes screen time was just how quickly he gets defeated at the end. I think this whole conversation is ridiculously speculative, considering its based on a GENERAL opinion of the GENERAL audience. We couldnt possibly quantify, even from reviews.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, they kind of dropped the ball on that ending. His first fight with Stark on the race track was more impressive than his final fight with Stark and Rhodey. :o

[Parker Wayne]

The only criticism i read about Rourkes screen time was just how quickly he gets defeated at the end. I think this whole conversation is ridiculously speculative, considering its based on a GENERAL opinion of the GENERAL audience. We couldnt possibly quantify, even from reviews.

As I said, the public seemed to like it from the user ratings on imdb, metacritic, and rottentomatoes. Its not the end all, be all of user opinions, but its the closest thing to what the reaction of the GA was.

[topdog1]

I never said it was as beloved as the first film, but it was received positively by the GA. Go on any site with user voting and you will see that was received positively, though not as positive as the first Iron Man.

People were flat out charmed by the first film and rightfully so. The second delivered a lot of the same stuff but you simply can't repeat that initial reaction. It's VERY safe to say that general audiences thoroughly enjoyed IM2. DVD/rental numbers will back that up. Let's not forget that IM2's numbers are even more incredible when you take in to account the ruins that the economy is currently in. It seems so unnecessary to even mention that because it sounds like IM2's incredible box office needs an excuse or something. It should be factored in as more amazing, really.

[Parker Wayne]

Yeah, they kind of dropped the ball on that ending. His first fight with Stark on the race track was more impressive than his final fight with Stark and Rhodey. :o

Both final fights in both Iron Man films were jokes. The first one wasn't epic enough, and the second one was just too short.

[Dark Raven]

i remeber goerge cloony saying "This is why superman works alone" but that doesnt count because that movie sucked big time

Even if it didn't suck, that's not enough of a connection. Spider-Man had a reference to Superman in it made by Aunt May. That wouldn't suggest the two franchises are vaguely connected. Many people make pop culture references in TV shows or movies. Someone could mention Superman or Batman (eg, you could potentially get someone saying "hey, this guy thinks he's Batman" in a police procedural show) just as they do in real life. Clooney's comment could easily have been seen in that way and Batman could've still been the only superhero in his universe.

A crossover reference definitely needs something more than that. I think the way the Marvel movies have cross referenced each other is the way to do it.

Both final fights in both Iron Man films were jokes. The first one wasn't epic enough, and the second one was just too short.

They were kind of like Smallville-type skirmishes with the action over extremely quickly. Good thing that Jon Favreau isn't directing the Avengers. I don't think he does climactic action scenes all that well, which is what would be needed for the Avengers.

[Parker Wayne]

Even if it didn't suck, that's not enough of a connection. Spider-Man had a reference to Superman in it made by Aunt May. That wouldn't suggest the two franchises are vaguely connected. Many people make pop culture references in TV shows or movies. Someone could mention Superman or Batman (eg, you could potentially get someone saying "hey, this guy thinks he's Batman" in a police procedural show) just as they do in real life. Clooney's comment could easily have been seen in that way and Batman could've still been the only superhero in his universe.

A crossover reference definitely needs something more than that. I think the way the Marvel movies have cross referenced each other is the way to do it.

It can be more but it doesn't have to be. If you wanted it to be more set in stone a newspaper or a news reference would be better.

They were kind of like Smallville-type skirmishes with the action over extremely quickly. Good thing that Jon Favreau isn't directing the Avengers. I don't think he does climactic action scenes all that well, which is what would be needed for the Avengers.

Favreau can do much better with action.I'm getting the feeling that with all the time he's going to have, he's going to do very well with Iron Man 3. I feel like Iron Man battling the Mandarin will be epic.

[Wolvieboy17]

You know, for all the criticisms the final Boss Fight in Iron Man 2 recieved, I actually didn't mind it. There was an epic 10-15 minute fight scene with the drones, and to me, the biggest battle in the whole film was simply Stark fighting himself, which I found a hell of a lot more interesting than his conflict with Whiplash.

[DCUmoviepage]

Well, IM2 resolve the problems of the first film (inclued the weak action scenes) but put new problem in the place. The action scenes as yeras-light better than IM1, but the necessity to see easter eggs of Marvel movies on screen become a bad thing, because this time they do it in the wrong way, lacked subtlety in time to put the elements in the scene. Its important show something of Thor and Captain America, agreed, butin IM2 dont look someting natural to the history.

[DCUmoviepage]

Natalie Portman in october's Total Film talking about Thor

http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/c/comic-book-preview-2-630-75.jpg

[Parker Wayne]

Well, IM2 resolve the problems of the first film (inclued the weak action scenes) but put new problem in the place. The action scenes as yeras-light better than IM1, but the necessity to see easter eggs of Marvel movies on screen become a bad thing, because this time they do it in the wrong way, lacked subtlety in time to put the elements in the scene. Its important show something of Thor and Captain America, agreed, butin IM2 dont look someting natural to the history.

Lacked subtlety? there were only about 3 overt easter I can name off my head: The unfinished Captain America shield, Coulson going to New Mexico, and the Avenger initiative at the end. All of the other ones were very subtle.

You can't possibly tell me you picked up on the superhero map, Union Jack's name as the driver Tony replaced, and the map of Antartica.

People wanted Easter eggs, and now they don't want them. :whatever:

[TheCorpulent1]

I love how all these big Hollywood-types are only now realizing hey, comics ain't so bad. "Classic, epic themes," you say, Ms. Natalie Portman? Why yes, we've known that for decades now. :oldrazz:

That's not me b****ing, by the way. I'm genuinely glad people are realizing that comics have tons of ideas and amazing themes and innovative content, finally.

[Vartha]

Marvel's had plenty of characters and Stories movie worthy. It's been mostly a matter of CGI for most of them to be done PROPERLY.
I STILL think FF could be done MUCH MUCH better as well as Ghost Rider and DD.
I wish Werewolf By night Actually got off the ground but I think that B movie Man-thing killed that.

[Vartha]

Lacked subtlety? there were only about 3 overt easter I can name off my head: The unfinished Captain America shield, Coulson going to New Mexico, and the Avenger initiative at the end. All of the other ones were very subtle.

You can't possibly tell me you picked up on the superhero map, Union Jack's name as the driver Tony replaced, and the map of Antartica.

People wanted Easter eggs, and now they don't want them. :whatever:
I Want easter eggs in the Marvel movies for the simple reason that this is the Marvel universe on the Silver screen. They SHOULD be tied together and also set up for future films. there is NOTHING wrong with that as long as it doesn't take away from the movie the easter egg is in.
Cap's shield in IM2 for example was so slight, I bet only FANS saw it right off.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Marvel's had plenty of characters and Stories movie worthy. It's been mostly a matter of CGI for most of them to be done PROPERLY.
I STILL think FF could be done MUCH MUCH better as well as Ghost Rider and DD.
I wish Werewolf By night Actually got off the ground but I think that B movie Man-thing killed that.

Moon Knight would make an awesome film!

[RetroNaz]

Marvel's had plenty of characters and Stories movie worthy. It's been mostly a matter of CGI for most of them to be done PROPERLY.
I STILL think FF could be done MUCH MUCH better as well as Ghost Rider and DD.
I wish Werewolf By night Actually got off the ground but I think that B movie Man-thing killed that.

mmm I'd say it's mostly the good stories/themes coming out of these films that have made them start making these things properly, not so much the CGI.

That's pretty much why the films you mentioned failed.

[Gamma Burst]

Moon Knight would make an awesome film!

Agreed!:up:

[Vartha]

Moon Knight would make an awesome film!
Which was why I hoped Were wolf by night would have been made! lol
I LOVED Perlin's original designs. lol

[Vartha]

mmm I'd say it's mostly the good stories/themes coming out of these films that have made them start making these things properly, not so much the CGI.

That's pretty much why the films you mentioned failed.
heh true but I was thinking the Corman FF when I thought of the CGI lol. The scripts should be better yes, and With Marvel doing the movies now let's hope the right Scripts are done.
To ME the first draft for Thor rocked. I loved it but since they wanted to tie it more into the Avengers I could see why it wouldn't have meshed too well being set in the past.

[RetroNaz]

heh true but I was thinking the Corman FF when I thought of the CGI lol. The scripts should be better yes, and With Marvel doing the movies now let's hope the right Scripts are done.
To ME the first draft for Thor rocked. I loved it but since they wanted to tie it more into the Avengers I could see why it wouldn't have meshed too well being set in the past.

Same. I reread the first draft of the Thor script and just imagined how freaking awesome it would have been as a film. Sad we won't get that version really :(

[DCUmoviepage]

People wanted Easter eggs, and now they don't want them. :whatever:

I dont disagree about the presence of this easter eggs, i just think in IM2 this EEs were presented in a forced way, did not flow naturally in the film.

[Parker Wayne]

I dont disagree about the presence of this easter eggs, i just think in IM2 this EEs were presented in a forced way, did not flow naturally in the film.

It only didn't flow naturally to some fans because they expected them. How does showing an unfinished copy of Captain America's shield disrupt the flow of the film?

[RetroNaz]

Answer: it doesn't.

[Parker Wayne]

Answer: it doesn't.

Bingo. :cwink:

Making mountains out molehills.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, Nick Fury showing up and basically giving Tony the answer to the central plot point is a valid criticism in my book. The other stuff, not so much, but I felt like SHIELD doing half the legwork for Tony because his dad happened to work for them was a bit too pat. And then, of course, there's the whole "creating a new element out of thin air in like 20 minutes one afternoon" bit...

[Wolvieboy17]

I did kind of like the idea that SHIELD have a finger in every pie. It really opened up the Marvel universe, the idea that there is someone or somethings bigger than Tony Stark, and I kind liked the snappiness of it all. Nick Fury shows up, pats Stark on the head, acts all mysterious and says "righto, i'll leave you with this, have fun" because thats exactly what Stark needed. Fury knew all that stuff and he could have just explained it all to Stark, but instead he just drops a hint and lets Stark find it himself. It was like a character assessment, which I dug.

[Wolvieboy17]

I did kind of like the idea that SHIELD have a finger in every pie. It really opened up the Marvel universe, the idea that there is someone or somethings bigger than Tony Stark, and I kind liked the snappiness of it all. Nick Fury shows up, pats Stark on the head, acts all mysterious and says "righto, i'll leave you with this, have fun" because thats exactly what Stark needed. Fury knew all that stuff and he could have just explained it all to Stark, but instead he just drops a hint and lets Stark find it himself. It was like a character assessment, which I dug.

[RetroNaz]

Well, Nick Fury showing up and basically giving Tony the answer to the central plot point is a valid criticism in my book. The other stuff, not so much, but I felt like SHIELD doing half the legwork for Tony because his dad happened to work for them was a bit too pat. And then, of course, there's the whole "creating a new element out of thin air in like 20 minutes one afternoon" bit...

I was under the impression that Fury didn't know the answer himself, but knew that Tony could figure it out after watching the video with his fathers message using his intelligence and the technology that helped create the suit to begin with.

I believe all of these little scenes will look a whole lot better once the Avengers flick is out there and all the pieces fit the puzzle.

I loved the scenes with Tony's father, and would like to see more of this in future IM films.

[RetroNaz]

The idea that SHIELD knew how to create the new element without Tony is silly. They might as well create their own IM suit while they're at it and not worry about the Tony Stark factor to save all the trouble and simply have their own home grown IM in SHIELD.

But they don't, and they haven't.

Only Tony understood the key to his fathers message in the video.

[al35077]

Yeah. tony isnt listed as the most intelligent human (or at least one of the most) on earth for nothing

[TheCorpulent1]

I was under the impression that Fury didn't know the answer himself, but knew that Tony could figure it out after watching the video with his fathers message using his intelligence and the technology that helped create the suit to begin with.

I believe all of these little scenes will look a whole lot better once the Avengers flick is out there and all the pieces fit the puzzle.

I loved the scenes with Tony's father, and would like to see more of this in future IM films.
No, I know SHIELD didn't have the answer already themselves. Tony was still integral to the process. But it still felt like SHIELD and all of its records from Howard working with them was a bit of a crutch. I think it would've been more satisfying if Tony had figured it out on his own. But I still enjoyed the movie enough to watch it like 3 or 4 times in the theater, so it clearly wasn't a huge deal to me. ;)

[RetroNaz]

No, I know SHIELD didn't have the answer already themselves. Tony was still integral to the process. But it still felt like SHIELD and all of its records from Howard working with them was a bit of a crutch. I think it would've been more satisfying if Tony had figured it out on his own. But I still enjoyed the movie enough to watch it like 3 or 4 times in the theater, so it clearly wasn't a huge deal to me. ;)

That's the main thing :)

I think it was a good way to incorporate SHIELD into the larger universe and "educate" the general audience that this group certainly know a thing or two.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well Shield clearly knew all the pieces were there and that Stark was the only one that could put it together, but consider this. If Fury didn't know the details of what was in the video, how could he possibly know that there was something that could cure Stark? He must have known all the basics of what it was, whether he knew how to actually apply that knowledge or not, because otherwise thats a hell of a big assumption to make.

"Heres this box, it belonged to your dad. He was smart... So, uh, theres BOUND to be like, some kind of cure... or something. Anyway, i'm outta here!"

I still think the Shield thing worked... It was important to Iron Man's over all character development. Don't forget this is the middle of his character building. He didn't figure it out on his own because he still needs help, he's not ready. He's benched by the end of the film for that very reason. He was nudged in the right direction, and I don't think we're going to see Stark actually reach his full potential until he's had a chance to get to know Steve Rogers.

I think the Shield thing would have been kinda lame if it was something wrapping up the end, but within the context of the story it still worked. Tony had crashed and burned, was at rock bottom. Fury shows up (which, lets be honest, is what he's always done,in all the comics) drops a little hint that he knows will motivate Stark and stands back. Stark was in no position to get himself out of that hole without at least A LITTLE push, and thats all Fury did, I don't think they overplayed it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, SHIELD knew that Howard and Ivan's dad were working on something very much like the ARC reactor that Tony eventually perfected. They made blueprints and everything. So yeah, they would've known the basics--that Howard was working on something like the very same ARC reactor that was now causing Tony problems and possibly that he was on the cusp of a big breakthrough that he couldn't quite get to in his lifetime.

[Wolvieboy17]

But Fury specifically states that he has the answer to Starks health problems. How could he possibly know that without knowing the facts?

And don't forget, this is Nick Fury. He makes it his business to know absolutely everything. Stark would just have been the only one who could practically apply that knowledge and use the information.

Also, if you think to the comics, the way Fury has always dealt with Stark is making him think he's the one in charge. Who knows what ulterior motives Fury also had, besides Starks health. Perhaps to use vibranium weaponry or something?(assuming thats the element in question)

[TheCorpulent1]

I just assumed he wanted to keep Stark around and owing him a favor. I mean, he was instrumental in saving Stark's life. That's tough for even a guy as arrogant as Stark to just brush off. I get the feeling it might come up again in Avengers.

[Wolvieboy17]

I think there was more to it than that. I do think it was partly him manipulating Stark, but with Fury theres always more. I think when we see how he ties into the Cap movie we'll find out more.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, with the Fury we know, there's always some hidden hook to his offers of help. Movie Fury is as much his own thing as he is an amalgam of Ultimate and 616 Fury, so we can't really say we know him too well after, what, like 20 minutes of total exposure through the two Iron Man films? His schemes may not run as deep in the films, especially since he only has a few 2-hour movies to play them out over, as opposed to the years and years he has in the comics.

[RetroNaz]

For now, we should simply take it as we see it on screen without reading too much into things.

[Parker Wayne]

Well, Nick Fury showing up and basically giving Tony the answer to the central plot point is a valid criticism in my book. The other stuff, not so much, but I felt like SHIELD doing half the legwork for Tony because his dad happened to work for them was a bit too pat. And then, of course, there's the whole "creating a new element out of thin air in like 20 minutes one afternoon" bit...

Yeah, it a valid criticism. I had a problem with that too. It felt to Deus Ex Machima and I felt that he shouldn't have a gave him an antidote. However, I don't think SHIELD was an easter egg. I would say they're more essential than that.

About the new element part, my friends were smart at science and they just accept that he created a particle accelerator in one afternoon as part of his genius.

Well Shield clearly knew all the pieces were there and that Stark was the only one that could put it together, but consider this. If Fury didn't know the details of what was in the video, how could he possibly know that there was something that could cure Stark? He must have known all the basics of what it was, whether he knew how to actually apply that knowledge or not, because otherwise thats a hell of a big assumption to make.

"Heres this box, it belonged to your dad. He was smart... So, uh, theres BOUND to be like, some kind of cure... or something. Anyway, i'm outta here!"

I still think the Shield thing worked... It was important to Iron Man's over all character development. Don't forget this is the middle of his character building. He didn't figure it out on his own because he still needs help, he's not ready. He's benched by the end of the film for that very reason. He was nudged in the right direction, and I don't think we're going to see Stark actually reach his full potential until he's had a chance to get to know Steve Rogers.

I think the Shield thing would have been kinda lame if it was something wrapping up the end, but within the context of the story it still worked. Tony had crashed and burned, was at rock bottom. Fury shows up (which, lets be honest, is what he's always done,in all the comics) drops a little hint that he knows will motivate Stark and stands back. Stark was in no position to get himself out of that hole without at least A LITTLE push, and thats all Fury did, I don't think they overplayed it.

SHIELD was instrumental in the Iron Man story. I just feel like they're should've been more tension though, like the antidote not last too long or Stark struggling to get the element created. There was no urgency after he got the temporary antidote.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it a valid criticism. I had a problem with that too. It felt to Deus Ex Machima and I felt that he shouldn't have a gave him an antidote. However, I don't think SHIELD was an easter egg. I would say they're more essential than that.

About the new element part, my friends were smart at science and they just accept that he created a particle accelerator in one afternoon as part of his genius.
Oh, I definitely agree SHIELD is far more than an easter egg in that context.

Sciencey folks I know just rolled their eyes at the thought of Stark's particle accelerator working, given that he adjusted it by hand and it could fit in his relatively small lab/garage and such. But that part didn't bother me so much. Super-science is a pretty common thing in comics. Reed Richards created a gun that could turn Galactus into a normal human being in like 5 minutes with Quasar's help one time, so a particle accelerator in an afternoon should be fine for Stark. :)

[al35077]

Yeah plus comic book geniuses are smarter than real ones too

[Wynter]

Loki's a Frost Giant ADOPTED by Odin and being trapped with Hela where for anyone else is ok but Hela is Loki's daughter. Loki's done pretty sick things but I doubt anything would happen between them.
Loki is personally responsible for the Avengers being formed, so he's absolutely going to be in that movie.

He'll probably just be banished since killing a god, even an adopted one, is illegal unless you're king. Besides, Loki is a really, really sympathetic villain with Mephisto levels of potential, and a penchant for quoting satan. Even when he loses, he never completely loses.

[TheCorpulent1]

Loki's responsible for the Avengers' formation in the original comics. But the movies are taking bits and pieces from the Ultimate comics and doing a few new things of their own, so I don't think we can take it for granted that Loki will be responsible or even involved in the Movievengers' formation.

[Spider-Vader]

Man we need the trailer officially released.

Thor movie news is like a desert right now. :/

[al35077]

yeah hopefully by the time it's offically released the music will be completed and it will be epic instead of generic

[marvel_freshman]

Kenneth Branagh Speaks On the Look Of Asgard In THOR & Avoiding Cheesiness

http://**************.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=22362

“Tone was always a key issue. Key people early on… obviously the production designer Bo Welch and the Academy Award-winning costume designer Alexandra Byrne was also someone trying to be inspired by the comic book, but also seek it as being as imaginative about it [as possible] and [to] present textures and elements. You know, when people travel through space they live in a world with gods.”

"We were always trying to look at it and see what you saw in the comic and try to re-imagine it. [It was] going back to the original source, and that got everybody excited. You want to try to be pure and classical with it, but bring a new twist.”

“[With] the production we wanted a mammoth quality Asgard with having monumental buildings. If you walk around the city of Rome and you look up at any street corner there’s just an emissivity that would have kept people visiting that place in ancient Rome bored.”

[JP]

Here's a link to the actual article. :whatever:

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/thor-director-kenneth-branagh-talks-asgard-and-cheesiness.php

[herolee10]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but just out of curiosity, can anyone tell me if Thor is the strongest member in the current team that's being prepared for the Avengers film?

[Gamma Burst]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but just out of curiosity, can anyone tell me if Thor is the strongest member in the current team that's being prepared for the Avengers film?

If you're talking purely about physical strength,I'd say that Hulk,when very enraged,might be stronger.However,if you're talking about power,Thor is definitely the most powerful member.

[Gamma Burst]

I liked this bit:

Clearly for Branagh, believability is key. If you can’t buy into Thor and Odin being actual gods, the film could easily fail.

[DCUmoviepage]

Bo Welch is in Thor! Great surprise for me, i love his work!

[Vartha]

I liked this bit:

Clearly for Branagh, believability is key. If you can’t buy into Thor and Odin being actual gods, the film could easily fail.

As long as they DON'T over explain the magic/Science I'm good with that statement too. But you have to figure it wasn't so hard for our ancestors to believe they were gods, why can't WE?

[Figs]

Nice tidbits in there. I wonder if those finished effects in the trailer, which should be on the IM2 Blu-ray, will have additions to the Asgard scenes if they possibly weren't already done in regards to scope.

[herolee10]

I think that the two aspects of this film that I'm going to enjoy the most are:

1. The fall of Loki and Thor's friendship/relationship

2. Thor's evolution from being an all out arrogant warrior to being a humbled hero

[Manowar]

Loki is personally responsible for the Avengers being formed, so he's absolutely going to be in that movie.

He'll probably just be banished since killing a god, even an adopted one, is illegal unless you're king. Besides, Loki is a really, really sympathetic villain with Mephisto levels of potential, and a penchant for quoting satan. Even when he loses, he never completely loses.

Hmm Maybe at the end of Thor, Odin decides to banish Loki to Earth to see if it has the same positive affects as it did with Thor. But instead Loki plans revenge looks and seeks a jailed Red Skull and helps him escape to that he can extract information from Red Skull about his Asgardian artifacts that he has found... Loki gets his powers back and starts reeking Havoc on Earth. Is too powerful for ironman, and Cap. Forcing Thor to leave Asgard to help on Earth. Uniting the Avengers.

[Shivsguy616]

But you have to figure it wasn't so hard for our ancestors to believe they were gods, why can't WE?

Are you saying we're as ignorant as our ancestors who believed in Norse mythology?

[TheCorpulent1]

Hmm Maybe at the end of Thor, Odin decides to banish Loki to Earth to see if it has the same positive affects as it did with Thor. But instead Loki plans revenge looks and seeks a jailed Red Skull and helps him escape to that he can extract information from Red Skull about his Asgardian artifacts that he has found... Loki gets his powers back and starts reeking Havoc on Earth. Is too powerful for ironman, and Cap. Forcing Thor to leave Asgard to help on Earth. Uniting the Avengers.
Wouldn't that entail Loki losing his powers like Thor, though?

[Vartha]

Are you saying we're as ignorant as our ancestors who believed in Norse mythology?
That's what Fiege is saying there if you ask me, or at least he's saying the average person wouldn't understand.

[Figs]

That's what Fiege is saying there if you ask me, or at least he's saying the average person wouldn't understand.

Makes sense.

As Thor said, "what your ancestors called magic, and you call science". It's like we are ignorant because at one point in our history we stopped using/experimenting with magic and focused more on science. Magic may have been the only or main way to have discovered Asgard or other realms, which is lost on us at this point and it's nothing new to the Gods so they're obviously wiser.

This is all in-movie world talk of course...

unless Asgard really exists. :shock

[RetroNaz]

Oh Asgard exists alright...

[Vartha]

Makes sense.

As Thor said, "what your ancestors called magic, and you call science". It's like we are ignorant because at one point in our history we stopped using/experimenting with magic and focused more on science. Magic may have been the only or main way to have discovered Asgard or other realms, which is lost on us at this point and it's nothing new to the Gods so they're obviously wiser.

This is all in-movie world talk of course...

unless Asgard really exists. :shock
It's just that there are people out there with very little imagination and I mean no offense by that, but, somethings can't be explained easily to some people.

[Wynter]

Loki's responsible for the Avengers' formation in the original comics. But the movies are taking bits and pieces from the Ultimate comics and doing a few new things of their own, so I don't think we can take it for granted that Loki will be responsible or even involved in the Movievengers' formation.

My thoughts are that Loki is a top tier villain, not just another random, easily forgotten guy. With Thor in the picture (and Hulk), we're going to need at least one heavy weight villain for Avengers. I think it's going to be Loki since this gives them a movie to establish who Loki is with the general audience. That way, he can focus on being a threatening Magnificent Bastard in Avengers (since Doom and Mephisto are licensed off).

Also...Dr. Strange is in the works. Call me paranoid, but I can see Loki being around as a reason to get a shiny new Supreme Sorcerer on patrol.

[Scarecrow_King]

I feel like the use of Loki in Thor will make him redundant in Avengers. I don't want to see Thor beat Loki solo and then have to sit through an Avengers movie where it takes the whole team to smack Loki down.

[lixdexia]

I feel like the use of Loki in Thor will make him redundant in Avengers. I don't want to see Thor beat Loki solo and then have to sit through an Avengers movie where it takes the whole team to smack Loki down.
you wouldn't. loki wouldn't take on the avengers one on one, he'd engineer a situation (such as convincing hulk to take them on) and then gloat over them.

[Vartha]

That's what I'm thinking too Wynter.
I can see Loki as a main villain in Avengers too tho I'd like him to be behind other villains and or threats.

[Vartha]

I feel like the use of Loki in Thor will make him redundant in Avengers. I don't want to see Thor beat Loki solo and then have to sit through an Avengers movie where it takes the whole team to smack Loki down.
Loki doesn't have to be the ONLY villain but he CAN be behind what ever brings the Avengers together.
It doesn't even have to be the Loki controlling Hulk, Loki is VERY manipulative, he can cause all kinds of things to happen with enchantments.

[Scarecrow_King]

either way, Loki being the driving force behind the plot to two movies seems kinda meh to me. I'd much rather see Skrulls or Ultron.

[lixdexia]

GAH! i hate skrulls.

[Scarecrow_King]

why?

[lixdexia]

why?
several reasons.
1- secret invasion
2- it would bring the avengers even closer to the ultimates
3- alien invasion movies tend not to be that enjoyable for me
4- there are much better villains out there

[Scarecrow_King]

I haven't read your first reason.
I completely agree with your second.
I sort of agree with your third reason.
I can see your point for your fourth reason.

The only reason I'm in support of the Skrulls is because, like I said, I don't want to see Loki twice. And they're kind of like a definitive story point for the Avengers.

Just out of curiosity, what other villains would you prefer to see?

[lixdexia]

ultron, the masters of evil, i would say hydra but it seems they're going to be in cap, aim with maybe the super-adaptoid and modok...idk. i'd really like to see loki/hulk or ultron but with no pym ultron is out.

[herolee10]

You know, it's a shame that post production is such a damn long process, since I would have preferred for "Thor" to be released near the end of this year, and not wait May comes around.

I mean, they've already finished filming everything that they need as far as we know. But yeah, I get that having to edit the footage, mix up the audios, compose the score, and of course create the effects can take a huge ass amount of time.

[MikeFrost]

I'm actually happy that they have alot of time to handle the postproduction. Gives them some times to experiment a bit with looks and making sure the movie and the costumes doen't look campy.

[herolee10]

I'm actually happy that they have alot of time to handle the postproduction. Gives them some times to experiment a bit with looks and making sure the movie and the costumes doen't look campy.

That is a good point.


Speaking of which, for those who are well familiar with the Thor comics, I'd like to ask a question.


Is Loki presenting a World wide threat in this film or are his actions just going to affect the specific area that Thor is at during his time on earth?

[TheCorpulent1]

It seems like Loki's going to be a pretty personal villain for Thor in this movie.

As for Avengers villains: Ultron's great, but he's kind of tough to pull off in the first movie when most won't even know who Hank Pym is. Personally, if Loki's too redundant, I'd go with Kang. He's a perennial Avengers villain, he's easy to introduce on his own (crazy guy from the future!), he's got some sweet powers, and he's easily proven to be a threat worthy of the whole team in the past. Or they could always take a B-list villain like Graviton or Count Nefaria and make them a bigger deal for the movie.

[lixdexia]

i hate kang...he brings time travel to the avengers, and they are not one of the 4 properties i like that in

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, you're obviously wrong, so I'll just ignore you. :)

[Wynter]

several reasons.
1- secret invasion
4- there are much better villains out there

One thing Marvel has been doing is seeding plot threads into their movies, and it would be pretty odd to suddenly see an entire invasion with no prior warning or plot thread establishment. They'd have to spend a chunk of the movie establishing who and what the skrulls are for the audience. If they did this in one of the stand alone film, I could see it working, but as they've written it, I think we'd be short shrifted if they tried it.

4) If by villain you mean someone evil, then I agree. However, I prefer gray villains to black-hearted evil ones.

Keep in mind just because Loki is the driving force behind the villain/s doesn't mean he has to be the biggest threat. I could see Loki having to turn around (in typical Chaotic Neutral fashion) and aid the heroes to keep things from spinning out of control when he gets in over his head.

[BoredGuy]

This is Hollywood.

I can definitely see them making a Masters of Evil type thing out of the established villains from the previous movies.

Loki, Red Skull(or Zemo?), Leader/Abomination, Hammer/Mandarin

Dunno how'd this would play out, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went with it

[Superhero 101]

i would probably think if they do a masters of evil the roster would be
Loki
Abomination
Iron Monger (Maybe Hammer in the Suit) or Whiplash since we don't see a body or anything.
Red Skull
Ultron

[Wolvieboy17]

As much as I would love that, they've already said that Avengers will start to tie the Cosmic side of things into the marvel film universe.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet would definitely be a threat worthy of the Avengers. :up:

[Wolvieboy17]

And a threat worth paying double movie ticket prices to watch

[TheCorpulent1]

Don't give Marvel any ideas, dude. It's probably gonna be around $15 for a 3D ticket by the time the movie comes out already. :o

[Wolvieboy17]

I hate to say it, but I would pay that lol

[sabetoonth]

several reasons.
1- secret invasion
2- it would bring the avengers even closer to the ultimates
3- alien invasion movies tend not to be that enjoyable for me
4- there are much better villains out there
Not even ID4?
Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet would definitely be a threat worthy of the Avengers. :up:
agreed

[Figs]

Don't give Marvel any ideas, dude. It's probably gonna be around $15 for a 3D ticket by the time the movie comes out already. :o

Has their been any talk if Thor will be shown on Imax at all?

[Vartha]

Not really. Just that they're making the 2d in to 3d.

[al35077]

So have they moved into post prodction yet? or are they finishing up the principal filming?

[The_Mighty_Thor]

It's in post.

[al35077]

sweet. thanks

[S.A.A.D.]

N/m

[S.A.A.D.]

As much as I would love that, they've already said that Avengers will start to tie the Cosmic side of things into the marvel film universe.

Where can I read that?

[Figs]

Not really. Just that they're making the 2d in to 3d.

Damn

I sure would like to see some lightning and thunder on Imax. :awesome:

[TheCorpulent1]

It's in post.
Since around June, I think. They must've done a considerable amount of work on it so far. I hope they're close to releasing a teaser or a trailer. When does the marketing campaign usually start its big push?

[Vartha]

I don't recall if there was any mention in that last Empire interview on how far they were.