The Official Thor News and Set Pics Thread

[Still A ThorFan]

If you're talking purely about physical strength,I'd say that Hulk,when very enraged,might be stronger.However,if you're talking about power,Thor is definitely the most powerful member.

Therefore if they end up fighting in the Avengers movie Thor should blow a hole in him and go about his day. But noo they won't do that. They would exagerate the Hulk's strength and even have him lift Mjolnir, and if that happens I am leaving the theater.

[TheCorpulent1]

If I'm by myself, that'd be a walk-out moment for me too. If I'm with my friends, I wouldn't want to embarrass them with my nerd rage.

[Still A ThorFan]

LOL, ahh thats too late for me. Did that too many times already, but honestly I feel my beloved Thor getting the short end of the stick in a live action Hulk vs Thor battle. And I would never hear the end of it from my "friends" and wife who love to get on me for my love of Thor.

[kirbyfan]

I've always had a problem with the Hulk vs Thor debate.

I like the animated Hulk vs Thor, but I couldn't understand how Marvel got their own characters wrong?

No matter what the gamma rays did to Bruce Banner, he is still nothing but a regular human being, a man, so he can only get so mad, which means he can only get so strong.

Thor is a freaking God, and no matter how anyone tries to explain it, a man can't beat a God!

[al35077]

I've always had the impression that thor and the other asgardians were extra dimensional beings. Hulk could put up a good fight, but i still think thor should have the upper hand.

[TheCorpulent1]

Marvel for the past 20 years or so disagrees. Their 'rivalry' has been lopsided in the Hulk's favor for a long time.

[Spider-Vader]

Since around June, I think. They must've done a considerable amount of work on it so far. I hope they're close to releasing a teaser or a trailer. When does the marketing campaign usually start its big push?

I think Iron Man's started around now. If Marvel was wise, they'd market Thor VERY similarly to Iron Man.

[Parker Wayne]

They would exagerate the Hulk's strength and even have him lift Mjolnir, and if that happens I am leaving the theater.

I really doubt Whedon would let that happen. He does know the comics very well and he definitely knows that Hulk can't lift Mljonir.

[TheCorpulent1]

Jeph Loeb's been writing comics for how long now? Hulk fans think it's lame that the Hulk can't lift Thor's hammer, too. Comic writers and fans can be as ridiculous as anyone who has no knowledge of the characters whatsoever. Only difference is their ridiculousness is fueled by bias instead of ignorance.

[Kirmit]

I've always had a problem with the Hulk vs Thor debate.

I like the animated Hulk vs Thor, but I couldn't understand how Marvel got their own characters wrong?

No matter what the gamma rays did to Bruce Banner, he is still nothing but a regular human being, a man, so he can only get so mad, which means he can only get so strong.

Thor is a freaking God, and no matter how anyone tries to explain it, a man can't beat a God!

That depends on your definition of a god or Marvels definition of a god.

[Weadazoid]

Jeph Loeb's been writing comics for how long now? Hulk fans think it's lame that the Hulk can't lift Thor's hammer, too. Comic writers and fans can be as ridiculous as anyone who has no knowledge of the characters whatsoever. Only difference is their ridiculousness is fueled by bias instead of ignorance.



I am a huge Hulk fan.

But he is not worthy.... the only thing close to being worthy was the merged Hulk.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's not about being worthy. A lot of Hulk fanboys I've talked to seem to think it's some kind of grave injustice that the Hulk can't just 'roid-rage himself out and power through Odin's enchantments on Mjolnir with pure, raw strength. The fact that Ultimate Hulk did it with Ultimate Mjolnir in Ultimate Avengers just fans the flames of their fanboy convictions.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I'm hoping Whedon craps on their fanboy convictions!

[TheCorpulent1]

That would be nice, but I'm a bit wary.

[Wolvieboy17]

Where can I read that?

http://www.**************.com/fansites/Poniverse/news/?a=20758

[Gamma Burst]

Therefore if they end up fighting in the Avengers movie Thor should blow a hole in him and go about his day. But noo they won't do that. They would exagerate the Hulk's strength and even have him lift Mjolnir, and if that happens I am leaving the theater.

I don't think they'll do that.But,if they do,I'll leave the theater too.
I'm fan both characters,but I share the opinion of Kevin Grevioux(creator of Blue Marvel),who said:
My personal opinion is that NO Marvel character should be stronger than Thor. The Hulk should be able to equal him if he gets mad enough, but that's about it. And as a god, Thor SHOULD be stronger that ANY mortal. Even a SUPER-mortal.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I don't know about no Marvel character. Thor needs villains that push him to the limit, challenge him to find interesting ways of defeating them and force him to team up with other characters at times. No earth based character should be stronger though!

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't care who's stronger. The Hulk being stronger is fine with me. I just hate that the fun of the rivalry is gone because the majority of writers since the '80s seem to think that the Hulk is so much stronger than Thor that Thor stands literally no chance whatsoever in a fight against him.

[ultimatefan]

http://www.**************.com/fansites/Poniverse/news/?a=20758

Can anyone transcribe that? For some reason, I can´t seem to access CBM.

[RetroNaz]

Probably to make Hulk a little more interesting. He bores me in the comics 9 times out of 10.

[terry78]

I don't care who's stronger. The Hulk being stronger is fine with me. I just hate that the fun of the rivalry is gone because the majority of writers since the '80s seem to think that the Hulk is so much stronger than Thor that Thor stands literally no chance whatsoever in a fight against him.


Technically it doesn't make sense because Hulk is based in science fiction and Thor is a literal god on Earth. I know that there are many instances of technology beating the supernatural in the Marvel world, but the plausibility is just iffy.

[Troy_Parker]

From the after credits scene of Iron Man 2, sorry... I didn't know where else to put this.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2664/vlcsnap2010091118h07m01.png

[conan69]

The way I remember it was Thor and Hulk are pretty even in brute strength. Going back in my geek brain I remember hte top 4 guys being Hulk, Wonderman, Thor and Hercules.

Hulk & Herc being in the 100 ton range.
Wonderman and Thor being in the 95. But they should be about even in strength. Really, whats a 5 ton difference when talking about 95 - 100.

The difference is mental. Which is a few guys like Iron Man, Wonderman,etc might be needed to take Hulk out. There have been a couple cases, when caught be suprise Hulk has been knocked out with a single punch. I do remember Doc Sampson doing it. But in full rage mode, Hulk is basically the toughest out there when it comes to brute strength, and I always remember it being that way going back to the 70s.

And IMHO it was BIG mistake not to try to get Antman done. The Pyms, Ultron (in a primitive form of AI), Hawkeye... could have all been introduced and actually been the beginning of The Avengers franchise.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor, Hercules, and the Hulk have always been class 100. Wonder Man's the only one who was slightly behind, around 90. Thor and the Hulk spent a whole issue grappling back when Avengers started. 20-30 years later, the Hulk was batting Thor around like a ragdoll. It's all based on popularity; the Hulk got more popular over the years, Thor got less popular.

[Carlo Comicus]

Just realize an interview with Tadanobu Asano stund double on Thor. :)

[TheWatcher]

I've always found Thor to be the strongest. Even if I'm wrong on that,he's still the most powerful.

[Spider-Vader]

Jeph Loeb's been writing comics for how long now? Hulk fans think it's lame that the Hulk can't lift Thor's hammer, too. Comic writers and fans can be as ridiculous as anyone who has no knowledge of the characters whatsoever. Only difference is their ridiculousness is fueled by bias instead of ignorance.
Lol. Hulk hasn't done anything worthy to pick up Mjlnir. He's done some pretty cool & heroic deeds but nothing on Thor or Cap's levels.

[Gamma Burst]

I've always found Thor to be the strongest. Even if I'm wrong on that,he's still the most powerful.

You're right on both accounts.Thor is definitely stronger than Hulk on his base levels,and more powerful with his godly powers+Mjolnir.
Only when significantly enraged,should Hulk match his strength.:word:

[Vartha]

Here :D,
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=336265&page=14

From the after credits scene of Iron Man 2, sorry... I didn't know where else to put this.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2664/vlcsnap2010091118h07m01.png

[Aesop Rocks]

I think I see venom.

[Parker Wayne]

Here :D,
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=336265&page=14

Beautiful

[TheCorpulent1]

I've always found Thor to be the strongest. Even if I'm wrong on that,he's still the most powerful.
Strongest is debatable, but Thor is definitely among the most powerful overall. They've actually made him less versatile over time, but initially his hammer could do virtually anything (i.e. whatever Stan Lee/Larry Lieber felt like having it do that issue).

[wobbly]

Thor, Hercules, and the Hulk have always been class 100. Wonder Man's the only one who was slightly behind, around 90. Thor and the Hulk spent a whole issue grappling back when Avengers started. 20-30 years later, the Hulk was batting Thor around like a ragdoll. It's all based on popularity; the Hulk got more popular over the years, Thor got less popular.

The strength thing with Marvels powerhouses has gotten screwed over time: Initially the Thing could only lift a few tons, but they have made it 'canon' that his strength has increased over time putting him around class 80 or something like that. Similarly it's 'canon' the Hulks strength has increased considerably over time as well. His calm level is about the same as the Things, but once angry he shoots up to 100 or more ('World War' Hulk is even stronger).
Yet when both fight characters who gave them a good fight in the past when they were a lot weaker, they still give them a good fight (Namor and Thor (prior to getting the Odinforce at any rate) have had no 'boosts' I'm aware of (Thor has his belt and gauntlets that boosted his strength but I don't think he has ever used them against the Hulk?)

Anyways, I'd agree Thor would start a fight with the Hulk as the stronger, but it wouldn't take long for the Hulk to match and then pass him. Thor's hammer though would balance things back to his favour so the fights outcome is really down to whoever is writing the story.

btw, I'm more a Hulk fan than a Thor fan, and I have no problem with Hulk not being able to lift mjolnir (that Red Hulk nonsense was just terrible writing).

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, at the end of the day, it really does just come down to writer preference. Unfortunately, most writers who get to tackle the Thor/Hulk rivalry seem to be squarely in favor of the Hulk winning.

[TheWatcher]

Strongest is debatable, but Thor is definitely among the most powerful overall. They've actually made him less versatile over time, but initially his hammer could do virtually anything (i.e. whatever Stan Lee/Larry Lieber felt like having it do that issue).
:up: to this and Spidey-Jasons.

[lixdexia]

Strongest is debatable, but Thor is definitely among the most powerful overall. They've actually made him less versatile over time, but initially his hammer could do virtually anything (i.e. whatever Stan Lee/Larry Lieber felt like having it do that issue).
i want thor and superman to go one on one iron chef style. super-grilling v. an odinsteak

[TheCorpulent1]

He could tenderize it with Mjolnir and then throw it on the ol' Odingrill with some Yggdrasil chips for that smokey, world ash flavor. :up:

[lixdexia]

i dunno, the prophetic vision of flavor might be too overpowering

[DarthDaveBanner]

From the after credits scene of Iron Man 2, sorry... I didn't know where else to put this.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2664/vlcsnap2010091118h07m01.png

It needs wings. :o

(Oh who am I kidding, even if it has wings in the final film I'll still complain)

[Saint]

Yeah, at the end of the day, it really does just come down to writer preference. Unfortunately, most writers who get to tackle the Thor/Hulk rivalry seem to be squarely in favor of the Hulk winning.

Well, you have to be fair to both characters. Naturally, the unliftability of Mjolnir is an important part of Thor, so to have the Hulk lift it would be an obvious mistake (Goddamn Loeb). At the same time, the ability to do things that he has no right to is part of what makes the Hulk the Hulk; that, when you really put your foot in it an get him angry enough, he's going to surpass all logical limits. When one has potentially infinite strength, then yes, I would expect him to surpass Thor (in terms of sheer physical strength) under the right conditions. The key to victory for Thor is using his strength advantage while he still has it, and using his other powers while they're still effective to end the battle before it can escalate--because anytime you allow a battle with the Hulk to escalate, you lose.

Alternatively, talking the Hulk down is really the best method. I would expect someone as levelheaded as Thor to be good at that.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor's not a one-round fighter either, though. He's got the belt of strength, warrior's madness, the godblast--all things that can boost his power exponentially and would logically keep him in the game. How often has he used them against the Hulk? Warrior's madness, once. It didn't slow the Hulk down at all. Modern writers are just biased in the Hulk's favor, period. Either that, or there's been some kind of editorial mandate for the Hulk to win because he's more popular. :o

[wobbly]

Popularity no doubt has played a part (Look at Wolverine...in his first tussle with the Hulk he just annoyed him, his claws clearly not being able to cut the Hulk's skin at all. A few years later and Wolverine's now magic claws are cutting the Hulk to shreds...the ret-con explanation being the Green Hulk healed so 'fast' Wolverine just didn't realise he was cutting him all along...Okey dokey :doh:).

But another factor is "The Strongest One There is". Little point calling the Hulk that if he isn't. Over time it's become his 'thing', what he is best known for.

I agree though Thor has more tricks up his sleeve than the writers ever have him use in fights with the Hulk. Enough to make the fights a lot more even than they have been in recent years (hell, they even let Iron-Man deck the Hulk once, though that was over 20 years ago now)

[TheCorpulent1]

But another factor is "The Strongest One There is". Little point calling the Hulk that if he isn't. Over time it's become his 'thing', what he is best known for.
Yeah, and it's made his fanboys bloody insufferable. The idea that the Hulk is not only the strongest there is, but so far beyond everyone else in strength that he should be able to do literally anything is one of my biggest pet peeves about talking to Hulk fanboys. :o

That's not directed at anyone here, mind you. Just in general. The Hype's had some really bad ones over the years.

[wobbly]

Yeah, and it's made his fanboys bloody insufferable. The idea that the Hulk is not only the strongest there is, but so far beyond everyone else in strength that he should be able to do literally anything is one of my biggest pet peeves about talking to Hulk fanboys. :o

That's not directed at anyone here, mind you. Just in general. The Hype's had some really bad ones over the years.

I know what you mean. I've seen some claims as to what he 'should' be able to do and thought 'don't be so bloody daft'.

But like I said before, his 'calm' strength is below a good few others (Thor, Hercules, Wonderman and even Doc Samson since he also decked the Hulk once). His trick is his anger. Other big hitters can take him down, but they need to do it fast or they are in trouble. But the idea of damn near infinite rage/strength (another gem I've seen proposed) is just pushing it too far. Least with WWH they gave him a power up on top on his rage at the Illuminati to make him a lot more powerful.

Btw...WWH fought the Sentry to a standstill.

Thor killed the nutter :)

[Vartha]

Can't wait for the change after the movie lol

[TheCorpulent1]

I know what you mean. I've seen some claims as to what he 'should' be able to do and thought 'don't be so bloody daft'.

But like I said before, his 'calm' strength is below a good few others (Thor, Hercules, Wonderman and even Doc Samson since he also decked the Hulk once). His trick is his anger. Other big hitters can take him down, but they need to do it fast or they are in trouble. But the idea of damn near infinite rage/strength (another gem I've seen proposed) is just pushing it too far. Least with WWH they gave him a power up on top on his rage at the Illuminati to make him a lot more powerful.

Btw...WWH fought the Sentry to a standstill.

Thor killed the nutter :)
Yeah, that was a good scene. I tend to chalk it up more to Reynolds exerting his last bit of control over the Void and making him/themself vulnerable enough for that big lightning bolt to kill him/them, though. Much as I love Thor, the other stuff the Void did in Siege and elsewhere kind of makes it as unbelievable that Thor could flat-out kill him solely under his own power as the Hulk lifting Mjolnir.

[wobbly]

Yeah, that was a good scene. I tend to chalk it up more to Reynolds exerting his last bit of control over the Void and making him/themself vulnerable enough for that big lightning bolt to kill him/them, though. Much as I love Thor, the other stuff the Void did in Siege and elsewhere kind of makes it as unbelievable that Thor could flat-out kill him solely under his own power as the Hulk lifting Mjolnir.

Yeah, he literally tore Ares in half!
Was just giving Thor props for taking out the Sentry (Didn't mind his first mini-series (apart from making the Hulk his pet sidekick :cmad:) as the way it was finished you could do what every character in the books had done and forget about him, but never liked him being brought into the mainstream books.

[TheCorpulent1]

He was handled pretty badly after being brought into the mainstream comics. I also liked the first mini, though.

[Gamma Burst]

Can't wait for the change after the movie lol

I second that:woot:

[Saint]

Thor's not a one-round fighter either, though. He's got the belt of strength, warrior's madness, the godblast--all things that can boost his power exponentially and would logically keep him in the game.
Yes, that's why I mentioned using his other powers while they're still effective.

The particular Hulk personality being faced is also important, since they have different calm strength levels, and some of them do have specific upper limits. The savage Hulk and the Green Scar are really the only ones I would expect to put up a fight, and the savage Hulk has a much lower starting strength, and thus a much lower chance.

[conan69]

Ive used Wolverine alot over the past few years as a example of a character whos become more powerful a hes gotten more popular.

Back in the Bryne Claremont days, Wolv was all mouth. Until the Hellfire Club issues, he really didnt do much of anything. Collossus and Sasquatch took him out with one punch and Cyclops was able to throw him around,making him look silly after the Proteus fight.

He was very cool character who wasnt in the spotlight much,but he really didnt back up too much of his tough talk.

He was vulnerable to fire and his slow aging factor wasnt even thought of yet (see Days of Future Past for examples of both). Now he can walk out of a blaze as a walking metal skeleton and regenerate, and prob can live for a couple hundred years.

[TheCorpulent1]

Cut to thirty years later and his healing factor can regenerate him from a single cell. :o

[lixdexia]

Cut to thirty years later and his healing factor can regenerate him from a single cell. :o
over the course of a single brief phone call no less.

[TheCorpulent1]

"So I was like, 'No, you did not say that!' and he was like, 'I totally--' Logan? Logan, you still there?"

"Oh, er, yeah, sorry about that. Pyro showed up and burned all of my skin and organs away for a second, but I'm good now."

[lixdexia]

no, durring civil war nitro blew him up down to the skeleton. calls the guy who hired him, "yeah, i totally just killed wolver..." ka-stab.

[TheCorpulent1]

lulz. Wolverine should totally say "eh" more, too. Maybe tie it into a new power he develops. I mean, is he Canadian or isn't he? :o

[wobbly]

Ive used Wolverine alot over the past few years as a example of a character whos become more powerful a hes gotten more popular.

Back in the Bryne Claremont days, Wolv was all mouth. Until the Hellfire Club issues, he really didnt do much of anything. Collossus and Sasquatch took him out with one punch and Cyclops was able to throw him around,making him look silly after the Proteus fight.

He was very cool character who wasnt in the spotlight much,but he really didnt back up too much of his tough talk.

He was vulnerable to fire and his slow aging factor wasnt even thought of yet (see Days of Future Past for examples of both). Now he can walk out of a blaze as a walking metal skeleton and regenerate, and prob can live for a couple hundred years.

His much vaunted healing factor wasn't even mentioned until the second part of 'Days of Future Past' as well. Back then he didn't 'instantly' heal either. It would take a few hours for a deep cut to heal down to a scar and a few more for it to be completely gone.

Other tit-bits on Wolvie...Originally the claws were not intended to be part of him, but extended from those little sockets on his gloves, and originally in the X-Men Claremont clearly described his skeleton as being entirely replaced with Adamantium. It was only after a fanboy wrote in pointing out how bone marrow is rather essential to live at all that they changed it to adamantium laced (guess the guy won himself a no-prize :) ).

[TheCorpulent1]

Unless that was after Marvel stopped giving out No Prizes. "We gotta reduce printing and postage costs, kid! Now scram!" ;)

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't think you can just single out Wolvie for that (I may be biased, sure) but there was alot of character fleshing out and logistics being corrected in those early days. I think it's quite apparent with Wolvie because NO ONE expected him to be anything more than an on the side character.

Also, Unstable molecules anyone?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't really understand what unstable molecules have to do with Wolverine going from a tough short guy to an unkillable demigod... :huh:

[terry78]

Hasn't it been established in canon that the only way to honestly end Wolverine is to decapitate him completely?

[TheCorpulent1]

I think it's been established in canon that the only way to honestly end Wolverine is nonexistent 'cause he sells too many comics.

[terry78]

I think it's been established in canon that the only way to honestly end Wolverine is nonexistent 'cause he sells too many comics.

:awesome:

[wobbly]

Hasn't it been established in canon that the only way to honestly end Wolverine is to decapitate him completely?

A sentinel roasted his ass in days of future past....He did not get up :cwink:

btw, I think they have now back-tracked on the healing factor after that ridiculous Nitro fiasco? Not sure of the explanation they came up with for the obvious boost or it's reversal, but I think he is supposed to be back to the levels he was at in the 80's.

[Wolvieboy17]

Drowning.

The unstable molecules thing was meant in relation to comic writers making up the science of a character, then having to change it later (in reference to Wolverine not having real bones under the adamantium).

[TheCorpulent1]

A sentinel roasted his ass in days of future past....He did not get up :cwink:

btw, I think they have now back-tracked on the healing factor after that ridiculous Nitro fiasco? Not sure of the explanation they came up with for the obvious boost or it's reversal, but I think he is supposed to be back to the levels he was at in the 80's.
I don't know about the '80s, but his healing factor did just fail to prevent him from being turned into a vampire. So maybe in the new X-Men series, at least, it is being toned down some.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, it was actually written in the comics that after losing it for a while, when he got the healing factor back it healed him like 4 times faster than it used to, which is why for the last 10 years or so he's been a healing machine.

Really though, is it that ridiculous or unrealistic? Logic would denote that at least half of the Marvel supes WITHOUT healing would be dead by now but they're still kicking around lol.

[wobbly]

I don't think you can just single out Wolvie for that (I may be biased, sure) but there was alot of character fleshing out and logistics being corrected in those early days. I think it's quite apparent with Wolvie because NO ONE expected him to be anything more than an on the side character.

Also, Unstable molecules anyone?

With Wolverine it's things like his now being able to go toe to toe with a heavy hitter like the Hulk, when it's obvious he couldn't, that pisses me off. There's suspension of disbelief, then there's insulting the intelligence. Having Logan go from being nothing more than an annoyance to the Hulk, to having him carve him up for fun, fits the latter for me.

And Unstable Molecules?
Always thought it was an ingenious idea from Lee. Since they don't exist, whose to say what clothes made out of them would do? Stan Lee says they adapt to the users powers, that's fine by me :) Better than just ignoring the issue, especially with characters who change size, burst into flame, turn invisible, etc.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it was actually written in the comics that after losing it for a while, when he got the healing factor back it healed him like 4 times faster than it used to, which is why for the last 10 years or so he's been a healing machine.

Really though, is it that ridiculous or unrealistic? Logic would denote that at least half of the Marvel supes WITHOUT healing would be dead by now but they're still kicking around lol.
Realism has nothing to do with it. Nothing in superhero comics is realistic, simply by virtue of their being superhero comics. It's just irritating to me when characters start out at a pretty good level and then get their powers amped up to ridiculous levels just because they're popular. Do we really need to see Wolverine be able to regenerate from a single cell? Is that really something that adds to the character?

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm obviously a huge Wolvie fan, but yes, I believe alot of that stuff is important, because really, thats a large part of who he is as a character. His ability to go toe to toe with Hulk, or survive a plane crash, it's got nothing to do with him bein powerful and strong, it's purely about him being self destructive and self loathing. Just about every situation where he HAS to heal to that extent, he's gone out of his way to put himself there, where there was probably an easier way.

Thats what I love about him, he just puts himself through so much punishment and takes so much damage (and he feels all the pain too, mind you) but it's his persistence that ends up with him as the victor rather than him being overpowered.

Personally, I think it's only natural character progression too because after having him around for so long, there are only so many things you can throw at him until it feels stale.

I do agree though, he's probably overdue a shakeup. Thats what was so awesome about the issue where Mags ripped all the adamantium out of his body. He had seemed so untouchable up until then and that really shook things up.

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, I always found the struggle with his feral side more interesting than how many bullet holes he could recover from or things like that. Sadly, it seems to me that that struggle is gone from the character at this point--he's completely comfortable with being a murder machine now.

[Wolvieboy17]

Thats not what I find interesting, and the feral side was always too Hulk for me. I love the tragic, self loathing side. The side that is constantly reminding him that every woman he's loved has died and it was his fault, and I see him taking all that punishment because he thinks he deserves it.

I haven't read anything recently, been too short on cash, so I can't speak for what he's doing right now. He is a character that needs an element like that to keep him going. I was enjoying the Wolverine: Origins and Endings stuff by Daniel Way, but haven't read any since the Deadpool one (and then it got all 'Dark Reign' and cross overy, and honestly, who can afford to buy all the comics to stay in continuity for that?

[wobbly]

Don't get me wrong Wolvieboy17, I do like Wolverine, I just preferred him when his limits were more grounded.

I mean, Spider-Man is probably still Marvels most popular character, but the writers don't pretend he can take on powerhouses like the Hulk (well, there was that time he had the Captain Universe power...and he did beat Firelord once..)

As for Logan's character. His progression from a surly brawler to a tormented soul I don't mind at all (he is still a surly brawler after all, he just has the baggage of his restored memory to deal with as well)

[Wolvieboy17]

I didn't like the resotored memory storyline. It was such a build up and they really didn't push it into new directions or do anything interesting with it. It lasted one or two story arcs and gave Wolverine too much resolution, so now he has no conflict and isn't as interesting.

[wobbly]

I didn't like the resotored memory storyline. It was such a build up and they really didn't push it into new directions or do anything interesting with it. It lasted one or two story arcs and gave Wolverine too much resolution, so now he has no conflict and isn't as interesting.

While I agree they could have done so much more with it, his memory being restored was required for some of what you like most: He now knows about all the women he has ever loved being killed. He didn't before.

[BoredGuy]

in the future, a talented writer will do something good with his restored memories. there's plenty of potential there, it's just been wasted on romulus for the past 3 years. Wolverine still kicks ass, don't care about all the nerd rage towards him.

but anyway

Thor pics and news and stuff...

[JeetKuneDo]

Thor, Hercules, and the Hulk have always been class 100. Wonder Man's the only one who was slightly behind, around 90. Thor and the Hulk spent a whole issue grappling back when Avengers started. 20-30 years later, the Hulk was batting Thor around like a ragdoll. It's all based on popularity; the Hulk got more popular over the years, Thor got less popular.

I think it's been established in canon that the only way to honestly end Wolverine is nonexistent 'cause he sells too many comics.

With Wolverine it's things like his now being able to go toe to toe with a heavy hitter like the Hulk, when it's obvious he couldn't, that pisses me off. There's suspension of disbelief, then there's insulting the intelligence. Having Logan go from being nothing more than an annoyance to the Hulk, to having him carve him up for fun, fits the latter for me.

Sounds like what happened to Batman. Wolverine fighting the Hulk, while unbelievable, pales in comparison to Batman actually winning in a fight against Superman. Batman supposedly beats every other super hero in JLA. Riiight. (It's the "plans" :whatever: )

Popularity is apparently the most powerful force in comics. A writer can make anything happen when popularity enters the equation.

If that's the reason Thor took such a beating against the Hulk in the recent animated feature, that's lame. It's been a while for me, but I remember Thor and Hulk being pretty evenly matched.

[kirbyfan]

Thor and Hulk are not evenly matched!

The Hulk no matter how mad he gets is still nothing but a man, a human being! I don't care how enraged he gets he still can't beat a freaking God!

Thor is a God, no mortal should be able to beat a God in a straight up physical fight! Notice I said should, because Marvel totally blew it with the animated Hulk vs Thor!

[wobbly]

Sounds like what happened to Batman. Wolverine fighting the Hulk, while unbelievable, pales in comparison to Batman actually winning in a fight against Superman. Batman supposedly beats every other super hero in JLA. Riiight. (It's the "plans" :whatever: )

Popularity is apparently the most powerful force in comics. A writer can make anything happen when popularity enters the equation.

Lol:) You reminded me how they had Batman take down the Hulk in that old crossover. Apparently a kick to the Hulks ribs from a human will make him take a breath against his will. Okey dokey....:doh: He would barely even feel it, much less have a very human 'reflex' reaction to it!!


If that's the reason Thor took such a beating against the Hulk in the recent animated feature, that's lame. It's been a while for me, but I remember Thor and Hulk being pretty evenly matched.

Yes, that was waay too one-sided. Thor's held up well against a mindless Hulk in the books, no reason they couldn't have done that in the animated number too.

[JeetKuneDo]

Thor and Hulk are not evenly matched!

The Hulk no matter how mad he gets is still nothing but a man, a human being! I don't care how enraged he gets he still can't beat a freaking God!

Thor is a God, no mortal should be able to beat a God in a straight up physical fight! Notice I said should, because Marvel totally blew it with the animated Hulk vs Thor!

Not being a religious person, I suppose I don't grant any special advantage to being "a god" myself. I can buy that power can come from many sources. I'm also more of a Hulk fan.

But having said that, it kinda p*ssed me off that it was so one-sided. Come on...Thor doesn't take that kind of beating from anyone...does he? I swear they used to be practically even in the comics I read. Even the Hulk's rage couldn't make him that much stronger that he would be able to kill Thor.

Lol:) You reminded me how they had Batman take down the Hulk in that old crossover. Apparently a kick to the Hulks ribs from a human will make him take a breath against his will. Okey dokey....:doh: He would barely even feel it, much less have a very human 'reflex' reaction to it!!



Yes, that was waay too one-sided. Thor's held up well against a mindless Hulk in the books, no reason they couldn't have done that in the animated number too.

Totally agree on Hulk/Thor.

I remember that! If I remember right, they put Spidey vs Supes and Batman vs Hulk. Didn't make any sense. Neither match would last more than a few seconds (at most). But that "popularity" stench was all over it. I realize Spidey has speed and the ability to see the future...but that would not be enough vs Supes.

I always wanted Thor vs Supes and Batman vs Daredevil for thematic reasons (god vs god and "dark" pointy head vs "dark" pointy head) and because those would be interesting match-ups. One could buy any outcome from either fight.

[Bren]

Not I realize Spidey has speed and the ability to see the future...but that would not be enough vs Supes.

He does? :wow: Never knew that (not reading any comics at the moment). Even if he did/does, against Superman that just means he knows beforehand he's goig to be squashed... :woot:

[terry78]

He does? :wow: Never knew that (not reading any comics at the moment). Even if he did/does, against Superman that just means he knows beforehand he's goig to be squashed... :woot:

He means the spider-sense. Makes him somewhat of a pre-cog.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor fought Superman in JLA/Avengers. Superman knocked him out in like two punches. It's one of many reasons I don't trust Kurt Busiek to write Thor. Read the rest of his Avengers run for ample other ones. Good writer, but he just can't seem to get Thor down. :o

[wobbly]

I remember that! If I remember right, they put Spidey vs Supes and Batman vs Hulk. Didn't make any sense. Neither match would last more than a few seconds (at most). But that "popularity" stench was all over it. I realize Spidey has speed and the ability to see the future...but that would not be enough vs Supes.

I always wanted Thor vs Supes and Batman vs Daredevil for thematic reasons (god vs god and "dark" pointy head vs "dark" pointy head) and because those would be interesting match-ups. One could buy any outcome from either fight.

I didn't mind the Spider-Man/Superman fight so much as they made the effort to come up with a reason for it lasting more than a split second: Luthor zapped Spider-Man with 'Red Sun Radiation' to temporarily make him able to duke it it out with Supes. Spidey landed a good teeth rattling blow or two and Supes was about to hit him back hard, realised at the last second something was up, pulled the punch so it didn't even touch Spidey, and the force still sent him flying (Superman realised he would have killed Spider-Man if he had let the punch connect).
When Spider-Man went back to try again the radiation had worn off and he almost broke his hands trying to hit Supes (his punches now having zero effect on Superman as you'd expect)

The Batman/Hulk one though was just plain stupid.

As your match ups, we did get a brief Thor/Superman fight in the recent JLA/Avengers mini. Superman won.

Captain America was about to fight Batman, but both studied each others initial moves, bearing, posture or some such nonsense and decided they would be too evenly matched to fight :whatever: Writers wimping out or what?

A DD/Batman fight would be interesting. Batman would still win though (he'd pull some duex ex machina out of his cape to win no matter what)

[Scarecrow_King]

Wizard did a Last Man Standing with DD and Batman back in the day. Batman won because he figure out the DD was using his radar sense and just made him go nuts throwing Batarangs and smoke bombs and such the like.

Graham Nolan drew the picture for it and it was awesome.

[TheCorpulent1]

See, those kinds of things are cool 'cause they give you a logical, plausible reason for one character winning. :up:

[Spider-Vader]

Thor fought Superman in JLA/Avengers. Superman knocked him out in like two punches. It's one of many reasons I don't trust Kurt Busiek to write Thor. Read the rest of his Avengers run for ample other ones. Good writer, but he just can't seem to get Thor down. :o

Doesn't Superman have magic as one of his weaknesses? I'd assume with that Thor would have the upperhand.

[wobbly]

Doesn't Superman have magic as one of his weaknesses? I'd assume with that Thor would have the upperhand.

Never been sure how that's meant work. Does it mean anything magical can just cut through his invulnerability, like he was just a normal dude? If so one whack from Thor's hammer would kill him.

[Vartha]

Yeah that IS my understanding what would happen but because Supes is DC's flagship character Thor would never win the fight.
IMO Thor would be able to at least stop Supes, Dimensional transport the two of them back to where Krypton was and win the fight, even with Supes storing our sun's energy. If you ask me it was BS in that meeting.

[Tony Stark]

Thor fought Superman in JLA/Avengers. Superman knocked him out in like two punches. It's one of many reasons I don't trust Kurt Busiek to write Thor. Read the rest of his Avengers run for ample other ones. Good writer, but he just can't seem to get Thor down. :o

The whole JLA/Avengers thing was a total joke. Partially for what you mentioned. The one that pissed me off was Aquaman easily besting Namor. Everyone thought Aquaman was a joke, until basically they turned him into Namor for DC, in the 90's.

[Vartha]

Well we'll never see another cross over until JQ's gone from I've heard.

[Bren]

This is on the way to becoming a 'vs' thread hehe. I'll add my little bit and say that Thor (not being a genuine speedster in any way, couldn't (shouldn't) be able to lay a hammer on Superman anyway. In the same way that Thor isn't given due respect at Marvel in Hulk fights, Superman doesn't either against... pretty much anyone. He's an overpowered character who is dumbed down to allow for competition imo. Still my favourite character though.

Thor is a close 2nd though - Can't wait for this film, even if a bit disappointed it's not more in line with ancient Asgard though.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Wizard did a Last Man Standing with DD and Batman back in the day. Batman won because he figure out the DD was using his radar sense and just made him go nuts throwing Batarangs and smoke bombs and such the like.

Graham Nolan drew the picture for it and it was awesome.

They did a Thor vs Superman in one of those Columns too. Thor won because of his magical Nature. They ended with a line something like. It's all in the title. GOD of Thunder vs MAN Of Steel.

[TheCorpulent1]

You know, other Thor fans bring that up all the time, but I've never really seen the "god" title as somehow making Thor intrinsically more powerful than others. When it comes to summoning storms and such? Yeah, he should just flat-out outclass, say, Storm's control. But in terms of just being strong and able to hit things? Why should being a god make him any better at that than anyone else? :huh:

Never been sure how that's meant work. Does it mean anything magical can just cut through his invulnerability, like he was just a normal dude? If so one whack from Thor's hammer would kill him.
Not necessarily. Magic attacks tend to sting Supes a bit more than others, it seems--see Captain Marvel (DC's, I mean) knocking Superman out with one sucker-punch in JLA--but his real "weakness" to magic is just that he's as susceptible to spells as anyone else. If Circe can turn a normal dude into a pig, for example, she could easily turn Superman into a pig as well. Which, when defined that way, isn't really a weakness at all; it's just being like everyone else.

This is on the way to becoming a 'vs' thread hehe. I'll add my little bit and say that Thor (not being a genuine speedster in any way, couldn't (shouldn't) be able to lay a hammer on Superman anyway. In the same way that Thor isn't given due respect at Marvel in Hulk fights, Superman doesn't either against... pretty much anyone. He's an overpowered character who is dumbed down to allow for competition imo. Still my favourite character though.

Thor is a close 2nd though - Can't wait for this film, even if a bit disappointed it's not more in line with ancient Asgard though.
Thor's been portrayed with super-speed at various times in his comics. It just seems to be one of his more easily forgotten powers. :o

[Avengers-Report]

They did a Thor vs Superman in one of those Columns too. Thor won because of his magical Nature. They ended with a line something like. It's all in the title. GOD of Thunder vs MAN Of Steel.

That actually makes sense, lol.

[wobbly]

This is on the way to becoming a 'vs' thread hehe. I'll add my little bit and say that Thor (not being a genuine speedster in any way, couldn't (shouldn't) be able to lay a hammer on Superman anyway. In the same way that Thor isn't given due respect at Marvel in Hulk fights, Superman doesn't either against... pretty much anyone. He's an overpowered character who is dumbed down to allow for competition imo. Still my favourite character though.

Thor is a close 2nd though - Can't wait for this film, even if a bit disappointed it's not more in line with ancient Asgard though.

Actually I agree Superman should beat pretty much anyone (outside of cosmic level dudes). His strength levels go well above Marvels class 100 (even in the post crisis reboot he was hauling 1000's of tons through the air with ease) and with his super speed as well no-one other than another Kryptonian should even bother him (less they have Kryptonite on them). But as we know when he goes into a slugfest he rarely ever uses that speed.

They basically gave him too many powers over time, so much so the writers have to ignore a lot of them to make his fights interesting.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

You know, other Thor fans bring that up all the time, but I've never really seen the "god" title as somehow making Thor intrinsically more powerful than others. When it comes to summoning storms and such? Yeah, he should just flat-out outclass, say, Storm's control. But in terms of just being strong and able to hit things? Why should being a god make him any better at that than anyone else? :huh:



Because he's a god!:oldrazz:

No I think when it comes to the upper echelon strength characters being a god isn't the ultimate decider but when you have the power to match the other guy and your power is based in magic, which he is subceptible to, then clearly you should win. So somebody please tell me how the F***ing name of hell Superman catches a finishing blow from Mjolnir, one of the most powerful magic weapons in the marvel universe weilded by one of the most powerful characters in the marvel universe, with one hand and stops it cold?:cmad:

[The_Mighty_Thor]

They basically gave him too many powers over time, so much so the writers have to ignore a lot of them to make his fights interesting.

The exact same thing can be said about Thor who by the way also has super speed.

[Bren]

Thor's been portrayed with super-speed at various times in his comics. It just seems to be one of his more easily forgotten powers. :o

Same as Superman then, if you think about it.
Even so, can Thor's 'superspeed' be compared to what Superman is capable of? I've always been under the impression he's (superman) almost Flash-fast. If Thor can keep up with that, then how on GOD'S EARTH can people think Hulk can take him???????

Anyway, I'm stepping out of the ring now :yay:, the 'consistency' of comic book powers doesn't allow for a solid argument...

oh wait...

So somebody please tell me how the F***ing name of hell Superman catches a finishing blow from Mjolnir, one of the most powerful magic weapons in the marvel universe weilded by one of the most powerful characters in the marvel universe, with one hand and stops it cold?:cmad:

Because he's the 'God'dam... SUPERMAN!!! :oldrazz:

[wobbly]

You know, other Thor fans bring that up all the time, but I've never really seen the "god" title as somehow making Thor intrinsically more powerful than others. When it comes to summoning storms and such? Yeah, he should just flat-out outclass, say, Storm's control. But in terms of just being strong and able to hit things? Why should being a god make him any better at that than anyone else? :huh:


Not necessarily. Magic attacks tend to sting Supes a bit more than others, it seems--see Captain Marvel (DC's, I mean) knocking Superman out with one sucker-punch in JLA--but his real "weakness" to magic is just that he's as susceptible to spells as anyone else. If Circe can turn a normal dude into a pig, for example, she could easily turn Superman into a pig as well. Which, when defined that way, isn't really a weakness at all; it's just being like everyone else.


Thor's been portrayed with super-speed at various times in his comics. It just seems to be one of his more easily forgotten powers. :o

Superman being just as vulnerable to spells as anyone else makes more sense. Otherwise, any mug with something as simple as an enchanted knife could kill him.

And I recall seeing Thor use super speed as well: When the FF travelled to the future with the Avengers (during Walt Simonson's run on the FF) Thor took on Gladiator (one of Marvel's Superman avatars) and they were both fighting at Super Speed then.

[wobbly]

The exact same thing can be said about Thor who by the way also has super speed.

Up to a point. I've never seen Thor push a planet around for fun (if he ever has I will stand humbly corrected)

[TheCorpulent1]

Nah, he tends to be more about breaking big things than pulling them. Hercules strapped Manhattan island to his back and towed it back into place once, though. The Hulk lifted a mountain that weighed billions of tons, too. "Class 100" just means they can lift over 100 tons--doesn't mean they're limited to 100 tons.

[Gamma Burst]

Up to a point. I've never seen Thor push a planet around for fun (if he ever has I will stand humbly corrected)

Push a planet?No. But one of his attacks,the Thermoblast is powerful enough to shatter planets.
The guy is really insanely powerful.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Because he's the 'God'dam... SUPERMAN!!! :oldrazz:

Bite me!:cmad:...:oldrazz:

[RetroNaz]

Some good topics being covered in here. I needed to take a breather from the Captain America thread...this is my place of zen lol.

[TheCorpulent1]

Your place of zen features people arguing over which heroes are stronger than others? :funny:

[wobbly]

Nah, he tends to be more about breaking big things than pulling them. Hercules strapped Manhattan island to his back and towed it back into place once, though. The Hulk lifted a mountain that weighed billions of tons, too. "Class 100" just means they can lift over 100 tons--doesn't mean they're limited to 100 tons.

Lol ;) Never seen that Hercules one...Sounds as equally silly as pushing a planet to me (not just the idea, but the physics of the matter. I'd put it on a par with the Red hulk jumping from the moon to the Earth). I mean I know physics and comics never get on well, but I prefer things not to go way too far beyond the realms of possibility. There's suspension of disbelief, then there's wtf?

And the Hulk one was overstated. He was never lifting that mountain, but had braced himself under it to make a hole for the heroes trapped with him. Still an impressive feat, but not the same as actually lifting that weight.

I know what you mean as well about the class 100 not literally being 100 tons, but I still think Superman's various feats of strength would place him well above Marvel's, however absurd they might have been.

[Wolvieboy17]

Thats why i've never been too keen on Superman. He so ridiculously overpowered, but I don't think his weaknesses balance out enough to make him well rounded as a character.............. Discuss :P

[TheCorpulent1]

Never bothered me. The most interesting stories about Superman for me are about his morals and the complex problems his powers literally can't solve.

[RetroNaz]

Your place of zen features people arguing over which heroes are stronger than others? :funny:

And that's still a million times better than people arguing over the colour of leather :doh:

[Vartha]

And that's still a million times better than people arguing over the colour of leather :doh:
sure. hehehe
I'm still over there discussing that point. :D

[wobbly]

sure. hehehe
I'm still over there discussing that point. :D

Lol, I'm staying out of that one (have learned it's better to simply ignore than to offer up a platform for some to opine rather endlessly) :cwink:

Gets tiresome and annoying real fast.

[lixdexia]

what gets me is that no one can have an opinion over there one way or the other without catching the 3rd degree from someone :(

[RetroNaz]

It's even worse when people feel the need to berate in PM's :(

[wobbly]

Wasn't thinking of you Lixdexia :cwink:

And I've nothing against someone stating their opinion, it's the back and forth, repeating the same things over and over and over...Been there, done that. I try to stay away from it now :)

[Vartha]

Well I rarely go in there anyway. Night off and was having alittle fun with C. Lee lol

[lixdexia]

It's even worse when people feel the need to berate in PM's :(wow, i hate those guys.

Wasn't thinking of you Lixdexia :cwink:

And I've nothing against someone stating their opinion, it's the back and forth, repeating the same things over and over and over...Been there, done that. I try to stay away from it now :)
oh, i didn't take it as you were, just stating my view of the situation over there:up:

and again, it's like you say and it's coming from all sides. no one is willing to let any opinion they don't absolutely agree with be.

[NickNitro]

I hate when there is no news and the threads turn into just random discussion to numb that fact :( lol

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, better than the boards just dying altogether.

[RetroNaz]

Or being filled with spamming gnats that want to argue about costume colours and stunt men.

[Brian Braddock]

When it comes to summoning storms and such? Yeah, he should just flat-out outclass, say, Storm's control. .


Y'know Corp, you've just reminded me of a question that arose with me when I read the Thor: Blood Oath storyline.

Between Thor and Zeus, who has control over a given lightning bolt?

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd like to say Thor, but I imagine Zeus would outclass him given that he's a skyfather. Zeus' Thunderbolt, specifically, has its own magic properties, though. It's sort of like the Odinforce in that it's passed onto the new ruler of the Olympian pantheon, too. Hera had it after Odin died in the Ares mini and now Athena has it since Hera died.

[kirbyfan]

I have a question, does anyone know if Hela is going to be in the movie?

If so, do you think they will portrey her as big as she is in the comics?

[TheCorpulent1]

I doubt she'll be in the movie. Maybe a mention, at most.

[Whiskey Tango]

I'm coming back here before the Captain America boards give me a brain embolism. God a couple of those guys just crawl right up my nose every time they post.

[wobbly]

Yeah, I just skim past those kind of posters these days. No point giving them any attention, much less drawn into a long winded 'debate' with them. Learned that a while back :cwink:

Anyway's, back to Thor....I think Corp is right about Hela, though it would be interesting to see how they would portray her.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd love it if they did make her as gigantic as she's supposed to be. She's usually around 10-15 feet tall in the comics.

[Vartha]

I'm coming back here before the Captain America boards give me a brain embolism. God a couple of those guys just crawl right up my nose every time they post.
heh probably why there's THREE mods for the Cap boards and only one for Thor. :D Only one mod is allowed for so many hours in there . hehehe

[Vartha]

I'd love it if they did make her as gigantic as she's supposed to be. She's usually around 10-15 feet tall in the comics.
wonder who'd Marvel would get if she did make it into Thor?

[TheCorpulent1]

No idea. She's kind of weird to cast, to be honest. She has to be enigmatic and imposing but still stunningly beautiful.

[Whiskey Tango]

Cate Blanchett. :) Also, I wouldn't call her stunningly beautiful but Tilda Swinton would be cool.

[Vartha]

Tilda kind of (in a strange way) looks like Hiddleston.

[Aeltri]

I'd love it if they did make her as gigantic as she's supposed to be. She's usually around 10-15 feet tall in the comics.

Hela's 7 feet tall (http://marvel.wikia.com/Hela_(Earth-616)), though I've little doubt that she can increase her size if she so wishes. She is of Frost Giant descent on both her mother and her father's side after all. '

She's not beautiful or 'pretty' either, more like coldly attractive with an extremely imposing mien...until the cloak comes off.

Tilda Swinton would certainly look the part.

[Tao43]

Hela's 7 feet tall (http://marvel.wikia.com/Hela_(Earth-616)), though I've little doubt that she can increase her size if she so wishes. She is of Frost Giant descent on both her mother and her father's side after all...

According to the official Marvel bio at Marvel.com, Hela is 6'6". The same height as Thor.

[TheCorpulent1]

Both of those are wrong. She's traditionally been drawn much taller than 6'6" or 7'. I've found bios are generally pretty arbitrary about height and weight anyway, which is actually necessary given that it'd be impossible to hold all artists to heights set in stone for characters. I guess "significantly taller than Thor" would be a good rule of thumb.

As for her beauty, she's totally beautiful. She just showed up in X-Factor and rendered both Madrox and Longshot speechless while posing as a normal woman. Once her mask comes off, yes, she's actually decaying on one side, but with the mask on she can and does appear to be very beautiful.

[Aeltri]

Both of those are wrong. She's traditionally been drawn much taller than 6'6" or 7'. I've found bios are generally pretty arbitrary about height and weight anyway, which is actually necessary given that it'd be impossible to hold all artists to heights set in stone for characters. I guess "significantly taller than Thor" would be a good rule of thumb.

As for her beauty, she's totally beautiful. She just showed up in X-Factor and rendered both Madrox and Longshot speechless while posing as a normal woman. Once her mask comes off, yes, she's actually decaying on one side, but with the mask on she can and does appear to be very beautiful.

Hela would be 6-7 inches taller than Thor based on the official stats and she's shown with heeled boots so add another 3-4 inches to that...

We know based on the background alone that 'normal' woman shape is a false one ;):

"She (Hela) has great power to cast illusions, and thus can disguise herself and even the true appearance of as much of her realm as an observer in one area can see."


The half of her that is alive is possessed of a cadaverous allure but one can argue that any unearthly attraction on behalf of a mortal is also part of her power. Vampires and faeries are capable of such a thing regardless of their true physical appearance. Furthermore, attempting to turn the real Hela into a babe flies in the face of what she is and represents. It's also a matter of artistic license...case in point, sans cloak in Simonson's run she looked much like this:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b362/aimelek/tildonhela.jpg

Is that sexy or what :hrt:! My point being that Hela's basic features did *not* change with the removal of the cloak.

[JeetKuneDo]

Interesting about the Cap board...glad I haven't been going there lately.

The Batman/Hulk one though was just plain stupid.

As your match ups, we did get a brief Thor/Superman fight in the recent JLA/Avengers mini. Superman won.

Captain America was about to fight Batman, but both studied each others initial moves, bearing, posture or some such nonsense and decided they would be too evenly matched to fight :whatever: Writers wimping out or what?

A DD/Batman fight would be interesting. Batman would still win though (he'd pull some duex ex machina out of his cape to win no matter what)

I kinda like that Cap vs Bats thing. Two smart fighters. Not being convinced of Batman's omnipotence myself, I actually don't think he could beat Cap. Cap is no dummy...plus he's way stronger and faster. The Bats/DD fight is the one I want to see. Both are trained to the peak of human ability. DD's advantage is one I could see Batman overcoming...and Batman's main weapon (intimidation/fear) would be useless against DD.

Doesn't Superman have magic as one of his weaknesses? I'd assume with that Thor would have the upperhand.

That's why I thought Thor would at least have a shot....unlike pretty much anyone else.

This is on the way to becoming a 'vs' thread hehe. I'll add my little bit and say that Thor (not being a genuine speedster in any way, couldn't (shouldn't) be able to lay a hammer on Superman anyway. In the same way that Thor isn't given due respect at Marvel in Hulk fights, Superman doesn't either against... pretty much anyone. He's an overpowered character who is dumbed down to allow for competition imo. Still my favourite character though.

Thor is a close 2nd though - Can't wait for this film, even if a bit disappointed it's not more in line with ancient Asgard though.
Thats why i've never been too keen on Superman. He so ridiculously overpowered, but I don't think his weaknesses balance out enough to make him well rounded as a character.............. Discuss :P
I like Supes myself. There has to be room in comics for an all powerful character. They can have great stories too. I also love Galactus and Phoenix/Dark Phoenix despite their ridiculous power levels. Kal-El is such a good soul that he generates true admiration from me. His struggles are unlike anyone else's.

Good point about the speed of Supes. Speed is the ultimate trump card. That's why The Flash is so far above most. Doesn't matter what you can do when a guy can defeat you before you even know there is a fight going on.

Thor's been portrayed with super-speed at various times in his comics. It just seems to be one of his more easily forgotten powers. :o

I didn't even know about it.

The exact same thing can be said about Thor who by the way also has super speed.

Just how fast is the comic Thor if you guys don't mind me asking?

Cate Blanchett. :) Also, I wouldn't call her stunningly beautiful but Tilda Swinton would be cool.

Good suggestions.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor was described as being "fast as lightning" in Journey into Mystery. So not as fast as Supes, who's just shy of the Flashes, but still fast enough to put up a fight. Thor can also travel through space at greater than light speed, but that doesn't really say anything about his reflexes.

[Shivsguy616]

Thor was described as being "fast as lightning" in Journey into Mystery. So not as fast as Supes, who's just shy of the Flashes, but still fast enough to put up a fight. Thor can also travel through space at greater than light speed, but that doesn't really say anything about his reflexes.

How could Thor travel faster than light?

[lixdexia]

How could Thor travel faster than light?
well there are 2 possibilities
1- wormhole
2- it's a ****ing comic book:oldrazz:

[RetroNaz]

hahaha number 2 always wins.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

well there are 2 possibilities
1- wormhole
2- it's a ****ing comic book:oldrazz:

Plus he's a god! and as such he makes the rules!

[Shivsguy616]

well there are 2 possibilities
1- wormhole
2- it's a ****ing comic book:oldrazz:

1- Wouldn't be traveling faster than light.
2- Is a cop out and you know it! :cwink:

To clarify, I'm looking for the in comic explanation, if there is one. I wasn't aware he had ever traveled faster than light.

[TheCorpulent1]

There is no explanation. He does use portals sometimes, but that's teleporting, not speed. He's been shown traversing space with nothing but his hammer and he doesn't take decades to get anywhere, though, so clearly he does fly faster than light. Same way the Silver Surfer surfs and Superman flies through space faster than light. (In Supes' case, it's specified that he can go faster than light naturally, but if he did it within an atmosphere it would cause problems.) It's just something you have to accept if characters are moving across interstellar distances for the purposes of the story.

[lixdexia]

yeah it would be. you get from point a to point b, so you're traveling, and depending on the distance you'd be getting there faster than light.

[TheCorpulent1]

The way they handle it for the Flashes over at DC is that they can travel faster than light, but they start shunting their mass into the dimension where all the energy for their speed comes from in the first place. Or earlier they used to jump through time when they went faster than light. Depends on the writer, really, 'cause at the end of the day, it's fantasy fiction and you just gotta accept that it's gonna bend the rules of physics.

[Shivsguy616]

Thanks for the info TheCorpulent1. That first DC explanation isn't half bad to be honest.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, there's a lot of pseudo-science that Mark Waid devised for the Speed Force that makes a lot of sense. Or, at least, sounds like it makes sense, which is the highest pseudo-science can aspire to.

[Gamma Burst]

Yeah, there's a lot of pseudo-science that Mark Waid devised for the Speed Force that makes a lot of sense. Or, at least, sounds like it makes sense, which is the highest pseudo-science can aspire to.

True that.:word:

[kirbyfan]

Commenting about Hela, yeah I wish they would include her in the movie. I want to see more of Thors mythology than the earth bound stuff.

In the Hulk vs Thor animated movie look how big Marvel themselves portrayed her, she was way taller than 7 ft tall. I just think she would add even more of a sense of epicness to the movie. The more I think about it, how do you do a Thor movie without Hela?

One of my concerns is that the movie won't be epic enough. I want it to be on a very big and grand scale, just like Gladiator, Troy, Kingdom Of Heaven, heck even the new one Prince Of Persia is done on a pretty epic scale, Thor should be no different.

[TheCorpulent1]

The movie doesn't focus on anything relating to Hela. Like it or not, they're starting off with a pretty down to Earth story (pun intended) for the first movie. Maybe the next one'll go crazy with Asgardian stuff, but for the moment, they're more worried about establishing Thor himself to a general audience that may not know much about him. Try to pack too much stuff in just for the sake of saying, "Hey, Hela was in this movie," and the film winds up losing focus and becoming little more than a tour of references. I'm sure Branagh will fit in what he can, but the story's gotta come first.

[RealIrOnMaN]

LA Times with Kenneth Branagh on "Thor" and RDJ:

The “Iron Man” films, the box-office jewel of Marvel Studios, were filmed with an emphasis on bottling the on-set lightning of star Downey, and the actor’s improvisation work kept the harried writing team busy throughout the production as they tweaked and twisted the script to connect the dots between the star’s ad-lib riffs.

That approach worked for a franchise that found its axis in the mercurial charm of Tony Stark, but Branagh said Thor’s tale of gods and monsters would not have benefited from a fast-and-loose approach.

“It’s a different story, and also, in that regard, Jon is a bit of a genius when it comes to that orchestration and getting the max out of another genius in Downey,” Branagh said.

“It’s how you dance pretty close to the edge to get the sort of modernity and the edge that ‘Iron Man’ has and the real sharp comic sensibility of those two men,” he said. “So it’s a different kind of dance.

“I think ‘Thor’ comes from a different place story-wise and character-wise. We have both Norse histories for Thor, hundreds of myths and fables told in many different ways, in addition to what Marvel has pillaged for the past 40 years or so to come up with their version of things, which sits in very strong structure, a really strong narrative structure.”

Branagh said there was also a “formality, as least on the Asgardian side of things; there’s a semi-ornateness to all of it that means we start from a more ordered universe, then the story turns toward the chaotic.”

Marvel Studios has an unprecedented plan to create an interlocking mythology and all-star ensemble that spread across multiple film franchises. “Thor” and “The First Avenger: Captain America” reach theaters next year, and then, in 2012, all the characters will converge in “The Avengers,” which will put wild-card Downey at the center of a somewhat dizzying cast. Branagh, for one, can’t wait.

“That’s what’s going to make the Avengers fascinating. I think a character like Thor is the absolute opposite of someone like Tony Stark and the mix, complement and clash of those personalities will be very interesting to watch.”

[TheCorpulent1]

As basic as it would seem to be, it always puts a smile on my face to see Hollywood-types acknowledge that Thor needs to be a different movie from Iron Man. Thank goodness Marvel doesn't seem to have to worry about scares like the "dark Superman" idea after the success of the recent Batman films. :o

[Vartha]

LA Times with Kenneth Branagh on "Thor" and RDJ:

Nice! Thanks RIM!

[Vartha]

As basic as it would seem to be, it always puts a smile on my face to see Hollywood-types acknowledge that Thor needs to be a different movie from Iron Man. Thank goodness Marvel doesn't seem to have to worry about scares like the "dark Superman" idea after the success of the recent Batman films. :o
I'm just thankful we have Kennth, a huge have of Thor and knowledgeable of both the myth and story "pillaging" lol.
I really hope people take to Thor and we keep getting great Thor films.

[Crimson King]

One of my concerns is that the movie won't be epic enough.

Just judging by the alleged leaked footage (which doesn't exist because I don't want to get banned), I don't think you have to worry about that. Epic set pieces abound.

[Katsuro]

yeah it would be. you get from point a to point b, so you're traveling, and depending on the distance you'd be getting there faster than light.

No. The idea of a wormhole is that it's a shortcut through space, so they're going the same place, but through different paths. It's like saying you can run faster than a car because you can cross the street before the car can go all the way down the block, make a u-turn, and come back.

[wobbly]

There are a number of theories for FTL travel. Wormholes is one (the shortcut route through space).
'Warp Speed', though created in fiction, has acquired theories to cover it (the main one I've read is that the object is surrounded by a bubble that takes it out of normal space into a different level of space where the vast distances can be covered far faster).
Hyperspace is a similar idea, but without the 'bubble', and like warp speed is dependent on the universe being multi-dimensional.
Then there's 'folding' space/time, which is physically altering space to effectively bring the destination to the object rather than the object having to travel any distance (however it's thought the raw power required to perform such a thing would be insanely high).

I've read about some others, but they go into quantum mechanics, super string theory and such like, and tbh I'm not smart enough to get a handle on a lot of that stuff.

All of those I mentioned have 'sort of' working theories behind them and some scientists do believe in them (wormholes definitely has the backing of some big brains), but for the foreseeable future will be nothing our scientists will be able to prove one way or another.

Oh, one old one I know that has been ruled out is Black Holes. The gravity well at the event horizon makes trying to travel through one simply impossible (at least as far as our scientists currently understand them). That's been known about for some time so it surprised me a little when they used it in the Trek reboot.

[terry78]

There are a number of theories for FTL travel. Wormholes is one (the shortcut route through space).
'Warp Speed', though created in fiction, has acquired theories to cover it (the main one I've read is that the object is surrounded by a bubble that takes it out of normal space into a different level of space where the vast distances can be covered far faster).
Hyperspace is a similar idea, but without the 'bubble', and like warp speed is dependent on the universe being multi-dimensional.
Then there's 'folding' space/time, which is physically altering space to effectively bring the destination to the object rather than the object having to travel any distance (however it's thought the raw power required to perform such a thing would be insanely high).

I've read about some others, but they go into quantum mechanics, super string theory and such like, and tbh I'm not smart enough to get a handle on a lot of that stuff.

All of those I mentioned have 'sort of' working theories behind them and some scientists do believe in them (wormholes definitely has the backing of some big brains), but for the foreseeable future will be nothing our scientists will be able to prove one way or another.

Oh, one old one I know that has been ruled out is Black Holes. The gravity well at the event horizon makes trying to travel through one simply impossible (at least as far as our scientists currently understand them). That's been known about for some time so it surprised me a little when they used it in the Trek reboot.

That was a black hole that Nero traveled through? I was sure it was a wormhole anomaly or some sort.

[wobbly]

That was a black hole that Nero traveled through? I was sure it was a wormhole anomaly or some sort.

No, it was clearly described a few times as being a black hole created by the 'Red Matter' (a wormhole wouldn't consume a planet).
I guess the fanwank explanation could be that the artificial black holes created by red matter don't have the same properties as those created by dead stars, but I did think when watching it that it was unusual for Trek to ignore current theory so drasticly, without giving an on screen explanation at least (like 'Heisenberg compensators' to get around the problem of matter to energy conversion for the transporters).

[protocida]

Thor synopsis:

In the limits of the Universe lies the futuristic city of Asgard, home of a race of cosmic beings whose powers are beyond human comprehension. The greatest of all of Asgard's warriors is Thor, son of Asgard's ruler, Odin.

Thor is feared by his enemies due to his mighty hammer and his amazing strenght in battle. Altough brave and corageous, Thor is also arrogant and narcissist. His legacy is to inherit the throne, but Odin considers Thor not yet ready to fully take the responsabilities of a king.

When Thor is tricked by his envious brother Loki, Odin strips him of his powers and banishes him to Earth in modern times. Here, he is found by Jane Foster, a young scientist who always believed there was something beyond the stars that science just couldn't explain. Now, with Thor under he care, she starts seeing strange lights and other unsual activities in the skies.

Thor struggles to adapt to life on Earth, but not without cosmic consequences. While he gets used to life as a mortal and befriends the local humans, he realizes being a true hero is not only being the strongest warrior.

Meanwhile, in Asgard, the devilish Loki forms a secret alliance with the Frost Giants of Jotunheim - His father's most brutal and feared enemies. When Thor discovers Loki's plans, he becomes desperate to return to his land, but first, he has to survive life on Earth: His way back home is blocked by the Destroyer, a cruel and extraordinarily powerful creature send by Loki to kill his brother.

Thor needs to find out a way to defeat the Destroyer and save his homeland as well as the humans who are now his friends and their world.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Thor synopsis:
Maaan, what a blast! Simply awesome! Reminds me of how great Journey into Mystery is! So much win... I always liked the Destroyer: the design, his origin, his power - everything!

I was impressed by how Matt Fraction handled the Destroyer armor in his Thor: Man of War, when Odin putted the armor and showed Thor pretty hard lesson.

[terry78]

I demand to see a frost giant. Post haste.

[Vartha]

If you saw the SDCC footage you saw them Terry

[terry78]

Well.......:o

[Vartha]

lol Yeah we ALL want to see a higher resolution Video of the SDCC footage.

[lixdexia]

should hit in a little over a week

[Vartha]

should hit in a little over a week
Yeah I don't have a Blu ray player nor do I know anyone who does. :csad:

[lixdexia]

eh, it should be on the super-ultimte-15 disc dvd version also and either way it'll probably be online pretty quickly

[Vartha]

I hope so Lix

[Carlo Comicus]

Brief interview with Ilram Choi, stunt in "Thor":

http://www.comicus.it/view.php?section=interviste&id=330

italian and english version

[RetroNaz]

Once the footage is released on BluRay it won't be long until it's online...and legal.

[L-J]

Uhm. Two European BDs have already leaked in the net (greetings to our chinese friends!), but on the first one I and many others haven't seen any clue to Thor and Cap footage, even in the S.H.I.E.L.D. Data Base.
At the moment, I'm downloading the second one with bonus materials, but I don't have any hope to see the footage.
UPD: I've found small BTS Feature of filiming after-the-credits-scene; I still continue downloading.

[Spider-Vader]

Ugh... Why's it taken this long to get an official trailer? :(

[hobo123]

or a teaser poster

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Because they want to save the hype till closer to the release date like most films do.

[Wolvieboy17]

We've already received heaps of stuff from Thor considering it's still over 7 months away. A load of official stills, a behind the scenes thing, Q and A's and an epic 5 minute trailer that shows a hell of a lot more than an official trailer really would anyway (and really, it's not that hard to find the trailer online, I found it on about 3 seperate occasions, all high quality). Can't we get past the moaning about 'Why haven't we heard anything about said movie? waaaaaaaaaa!'. Some people are never happy.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Jon Favreau on last "Iron Man 2" scene with Nick Fury
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIcnkxKwtZyEhu9cQoLmgO1bu7-ZV935oUPr84e6WfU0t8v8g&t=1&usg=__mw1Pzal_s6nxIq155cc2ReMfZKg=
"Yeah, that's from "The Incredible Hulk" (news report on S.H.I.E.L.D monitor), which means it took place before "TIH".

If you look you see the the crater on the other monitor, that's the "Thor" thing. That's where the hammer was recovered. This is just a geek heaven here.

And if you think that anything on this monitors is not something we (in Marvel) didn't talk about for hours - you are crazy!

And if you look on that one, see there is a map up there, so... if you look at those maps, each one of those locations corresponds to something in the Marvel Universe. I'm not supposed to say that.

And if you look on each one, and I know what they mean, but I'm not gonna say it, but I'm gonna say this:

* Two of them relate to "The First Avenger: Captain America"
* One of them relates to "Thor"
* The one in Africa relates to Black Panther."

[Crimson King]

Ugh... Why's it taken this long to get an official trailer? :(

I'm guessing we won't get one until November or December. I *think* that's when we got the first official Iron Man trailers.

[al35077]

there will probably be one on the IM2 blu-ray

[terry78]

Jon Favreau on last "Iron Man 2" scene with Nick Fury
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIcnkxKwtZyEhu9cQoLmgO1bu7-ZV935oUPr84e6WfU0t8v8g&t=1&usg=__mw1Pzal_s6nxIq155cc2ReMfZKg=
"Yeah, that's from "The Incredible Hulk" (news report on S.H.I.E.L.D monitor), which means it took place before "TIH".

If you look you see the the crater on the other monitor, that's the "Thor" thing. That's where the hammer was recovered. This is just a geek heaven here.

And if you think that anything on this monitors is not something we (in Marvel) didn't talk about for hours - you are crazy!

And if you look on that one, see there is a map up there, so... if you look at those maps, each one of those locations corresponds to something in the Marvel Universe. I'm not supposed to say that.

And if you look on each one, and I know what they mean, but I'm not gonna say it, but I'm gonna say this:

* Two of them relate to "The First Avenger: Captain America"
* One of them relates to "Thor"
* The one in Africa relates to Black Panther."
WHAAAA?!!!! This better mean what I think it does.

[lixdexia]

yeah, marvel/disney are working on putting that one together along with doc strange and ant-man

[RealIrOnMaN]

SHH on IM2 DVD Bonus:
As an added bonus, if you watch the documentary all the way through the credits, at the very end there's a 'making of' feature showing the filming of the "Thor's Hammer" scene at the end of "Iron Man 2." We see Kenneth Branagh shooting. We see comments from J. Michael Strazynski, Clark Gregg as Agent Coulson, and more.

There are even a few shots from the "Thor" movie that haven't been seen before, so it's a cool unadvertised treat.

[Aesop Rocks]

No mention of Cap. Ah crap, oh wells.

[Vartha]

SHH on IM2 DVD Bonus:
SWEET Thanks RealIronMan!

[RealIrOnMaN]

"Iron Man 2" - "Thor"

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8924/20100920162133.th.png (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/20100920162133.png/)

* Agent Coulson is the leading S.H.I.E.L.D agent in the "Project: New Mexico".
* Take a look on the map, where the crater was hit.
* More information is about to come about the "Project: New Mexico".

[L-J]

"Making of" "Thor's Hammer" scene at the end of "Iron Man 2" can be watched and downloaded from here (http://www.starkindustries.ru/news/fichuretka_o_semkakh_sceny_posle_titrov/2010-09-20-2009).

[Brian Braddock]

That's awesome! Thanks.

:up:

[Aesop Rocks]

Vidya took forever to load. :/

[Scarecrow_King]

I love the lower third on that video. the crystal looking thing just kinda struck me as awesome.

[Vartha]

"Making of" "Thor's Hammer" scene at the end of "Iron Man 2" can be watched and downloaded from here (http://www.starkindustries.ru/news/fichuretka_o_semkakh_sceny_posle_titrov/2010-09-20-2009).
Thanks LJ!!

[GhostPoet]

wait wait...so, Marvel has the rights to Black Panther? Soooo sweet.

[RealIrOnMaN]

wait wait...so, Marvel has the rights to Black Panther? Soooo sweet.
Life is complete)

[RealIrOnMaN]

So, it's basically JMS cameo right there in this video. Nothing new. Although, I liked how Kenneth used some of the memorable moments from JMS' Thor to bring the movie its' epicness.

[ddddeeee]

Is that some of Patrick Doyle's score in that feature? It sounds like him.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Is that some of Patrick Doyle's score in that feature? It sounds like him.
I guess so. There is also some music theme from the Avengers DTV.

[Vartha]

So, it's basically JMS cameo right there in this video. Nothing new. Although, I liked how Kenneth used some of the memorable moments from JMS' Thor to bring the movie its' epicness.
Until you said something I didn't even realize that was HIM! lol

[Spider-Vader]

Damn, I wish I had a Blu-Ray. 0.0

[Tony Stark]

So Branagh actually directed the end trailer scene in IM2? I just assumed Favreau did that.

[Crimson King]

I assumed the same thing.

[Gamma Burst]

"Making of" "Thor's Hammer" scene at the end of "Iron Man 2" can be watched and downloaded from here (http://www.starkindustries.ru/news/fichuretka_o_semkakh_sceny_posle_titrov/2010-09-20-2009).

Thanks for the link!

[JeetKuneDo]

So Branagh actually directed the end trailer scene in IM2? I just assumed Favreau did that.
Same.

[Vartha]

Same.
With JMS helping on top of it. lol

[StarkTheProdigy]

So has there been any news on a trailer release date yet? I saw the comic con one, just wondering if any news has came up for a theatrical trailer

[al35077]

Most likely will be on the Iron man2 Blu-Ray

[Vartha]

All they're saying so far for Thor stuff is "never before seen footage" So we don't know for sure there's a trailer ready yet or not.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Well, I searched through the WHOLE IM2 Blu-Ray and found nothing. Yes, I heard that there is some theory about some DVD code which unlocks some hidden footage, but I searched the disc from inside and out aaaaand nothing...

It's kinda sad. If I'm right, then the Thor SDCC'10 footage, that we saw was just leaked, but the whole "putting the footage on DVD" thing is just a big rumor. We'll see one more time on 28th of September, when everyone will get their copy of the movie.

[RealIrOnMaN]

Okaaaay, so THIS is why I didn't find anything:

Q: Will there be upcoming BD-Live rewards such as "Thor" and "Captain America" footage for "Iron Man 2" Blu-ray owners?

Kevin Feige: For the first time it's exciting that BD-Live can be part of the discussions for marketing our upcoming movies.

[lixdexia]

well poop. now i'm going to have to play with my wires again

[al35077]

I hope they wait to make a trailer until the soundtrack is finished. Does anyone know who they got to work on it by the way?

EDIT: Nevermind I just saw they got Patrick Doyle. He did the music for Eragon

[Wolvieboy17]

Apparently the film itself will have some 'never before seen footage' too...

[Parker Wayne]

Apparently the film itself will have some 'never before seen footage' too...

You lie! :o

[Spider-ManHero12]

Wow, I didn't know that JMS was on the set when they filmed that. :up:

[irapogi]

Wow, I didn't know that JMS was on the set when they filmed that. :up:


what does that stand for? sorry for being misinformed.

[lixdexia]

he's a writter, the guy who brought thor back after having been gone for a few years after avengers disassembled

[Crimson King]

what does that stand for? sorry for being misinformed.

JMS = John Michael Straczynski (I think)

[S.A.A.D.]

Sooooooooooooooooooooo,doe's anyone know how that screening of Thor went down between Kenneth and and Marvel?

[TheCorpulent1]

JMS = John Michael Straczynski (I think)
Joseph Michael Straczynski, actually. But close. :)

[Crimson King]

Guh... You're right. He's always listed as J. Michael, but I don't know why I assumed it was John.

[Vartha]

Those of you not going into the Thor World threads, there a NEW Thor Costume T Shirt out. :D
http://www.superherostuff.com//thor/t-shirts/thor-nordic-costume-t-shirt.html?itemCd=tsthornordcost

[Crimson King]

Uh...that shirt kind of looks like he has a bra on.

[Spider-Vader]

I WANT that shirt. 0.0

[Son of Thunder]

"Making of" "Thor's Hammer" scene at the end of "Iron Man 2" can be watched and downloaded from here (http://www.starkindustries.ru/news/fichuretka_o_semkakh_sceny_posle_titrov/2010-09-20-2009).

Nice bit of hype building with this but I cringe at the sight of co-producer, Craig Kyle. I will never forgive him for the Hulk Vs. Thor animated feature.

[al35077]

What was wrong with hulk VS. Thor? I thought it was decent. They did make thor look more greek than nordic tho IMO

[lixdexia]

they also made thor look like an idiot and a wimp when he fought the hulk

[Brian Braddock]

Agreed; they basically turned Thor into Hulk's b*tch.

It wasnt good viewing.

[Still A ThorFan]

The link to the footage is not in english. Am I supposed to wait for the video to just play or am I supposed to click on something, help me fellow mortals!

[L-J]

Still A ThorFan, if u mean Behind-the-scenes, yes, you have to click the button "play" and wait for buffering or u can just download it. And obviously that site is not in English, it's in Russian.

[Gamma Burst]

they also made thor look like an idiot and a wimp when he fought the hulk

Yeah.It was a stupid display for Thor.
That cartoon was just plain bad...

[Son of Thunder]

Kyle and Feige were both attached to Hulk Vs. Thor. Lets hope they have done their research on Thor's power level and battle prowess this time around. The recent Planet Hulk animated feature once again had Hulk come out on top of Thor- this time is the form of Beta Ray Bill. They even messed with Thor's origin story just to serve their plot.

They want us to believe they respect the character and disrespect him with every opportunity. They better come correct in the movie.

[Gamma Burst]

Kyle and Feige were both attached to Hulk Vs. Thor. Lets hope they have done their research on Thor's power level and battle prowess this time around. The recent Planet Hulk animated feature once again had Hulk come out on top of Thor- this time is the form of Beta Ray Bill. They even messed with Thor's origin story just to serve their plot.

They want us to believe they respect the character and disrespect him with every opportunity. They better come correct in the movie.

Well,at least Hulk only 'beat' BRB after he destroyed the obedience disk,which left BRB stunned.Before that,Bill was kicking his butt(as is it should be).:woot:

[RealIrOnMaN]

IM2 Blu-Ray: No Cap & Thor this time!
Overall, the bonus materials are very, very impressive here this time around with the only real exception being BD-Live — which sadly was not included this time around; why I have no clue.

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe the BD Live stuff doesn't become active until the Blu-Rays are released to the general public...

[L-J]

There's no BD-Live button in the menu of both leaked disks. Moreover, there's no mention of availability BD-Live function in the description of any shop where you would like to get your IM2 BD-copy.

I think, Feige just was pleased with the thought of having BD-Live in their BD-releases.

Maybe the BD Live stuff doesn't become active until the Blu-Rays are released to the general public...
As much as I know, BDs are not working in that way - they only have this function or they don't.

[Vartha]

Well that stinks

[Vartha]

This is beginning to be a bit screwed up.
We've seen TONS of Set shots with both IM movies a Cap why can't they give us more than they have already? At LEAST give us some Concept art on the danged site!

[RealIrOnMaN]

This is beginning to be a bit screwed up.
We've seen TONS of Set shots with both IM movies a Cap why can't they give us more than they have already? At LEAST give us some Concept art on the danged site!
Maaaad Marvel World, my thunder brother. Either Feige is bsing on us or it's hidden so well, that none us or any serious web reviewers were able to find it.

[Vartha]

I hear ya RealIronMan, I appreciate you guys looking too.

[Figs]

I've been gone for about a week. Is there any news on if the Thor Comic-Con footage is on the IM2 Blu-ray?

[Crimson King]

The news is that they're not on there. People are loving the decision. Also, sarcasm.

[Figs]

The news is that they're not on there. People are loving the decision. Also, sarcasm.

That's disappointing.

Why are people happy that it's not on there?? It's a great way to advertise the film.

[Son of Coul]

I'm sure we'll get a Thor trailer in the coming months, unless they intended the "accidental" leaked SDCC footage to hold us off for a while. Thor's kind of like how Iron Man was, where it's a gamble and they gotta put something out to get common folk excited about it. Didn't IM get a September trailer after SDCC? IM2 had a December teaser but that was a surefire success anyway.

[Crimson King]

That's disappointing.

Why are people happy that it's not on there?? It's a great way to advertise the film.

I was just kidding, mang. No one likes the decision. :)

[Brian Braddock]

So, how strong do we think cinematic Thor will be? Will we witness any amazing feats of strength or will it just be showed purely in the midst of battle?

[Crimson King]

He should watch Superman Returns for instructions on how to lift things.

[lixdexia]

i'd rather it be at least mostly in battle. i think we've had enough heroes lifting things shots

[Vartha]

So, how strong do we think cinematic Thor will be? Will we witness any amazing feats of strength or will it just be showed purely in the midst of battle?
Apparently Thor for most of the film is no Stronger than a mortal since his powers were taken by Odin.
But defeating Destroyer COULD be that show of strength. :woot:

[JAK®]

Regardless of the film's quality; expect HUGE fan backlash because Thor wears civilian clothes and is powerless through most of the movie. The actual significance of how important (and accurate) to the character that is will be completely lost on them.

[Crimson King]

Wouldn't they already know that if they were fans? I don't think you'll see a big to do about that. Most comic book nerds are also gaming nerds, so they should be used to the notion of losing all your powers at the beginning of a story. :)

[Still A ThorFan]

I was at Marvel.com where I saw their schedule for NYCC, but nothing on Thor, why not?