Dunst "Definitely on board" Spider-Man 4

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

If this is already been brought up in another thread, just merge it or whatever. I just read this myself & decided to make a thread about it. Anyway....


Everyone's getting in on the action trying to guess what to expect from Sam Raimi's return to the Marvel superhero franchise with Spider-Man 4, slated for release on May 6, 2011. It's obviously still very early in development, but that didn't stop the New York Post from asking Sony producer Todd Black a few questions in order to clear up some of the rumors that have been circulating.

In the article, Black confirms that Kirsten Dunst is definitely on board, but that there are no plans to have a wedding between Peter Parker and Mary Jane in the forthcoming movie. He also squashed the rumors that Morbius the Living Vampire will be the villain in the movie, but that the villain will be very New York centric.

This is what he told the Post about the potential villain: "We're just coming up with who the villain's going to be now. We'll be shooting in New York again. Trust me, people will appreciate who we pick, because it'll be a big part of New York."

So who do you think the villain may be? In the article, they speculate it could be either Kraven the Hunter or the Kingpin, although one should probably assume the latter is still owned by Fox as part of the "Daredevil" deal. Still, maybe it will be some sort of New York City mob/crime storyline in the next movie, and there are plenty of Spider-Man villains that fit the bill like Hammerhead and The Enforcers.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8400

[Hush]

Well what other projects does she really have going on? I mean seriously?

[FaT_tONle]

Still not confirmation... but I am not going to complain. Recasting one of the leads makes the public lose interest in an ongoing franchse, which they can not afford after SM3. Just do me a favor Kirsten, lay off the crack/heroine or whatever the hell you have been on the last five years so that you can actually look half way decent again.

[Agent Z]

I'm hope Raimi and company have better ideas for her character this time around. I didn't even recognize Mary Jane in Part 3...it was like she took stupid pills between films...the character didn't seem as smart or as mature, but only as a plot device to get from point A to B (i.e. neing used as bait AGAIN). Hell, I guess I could say that about all the characters in Part 3.

[TheScarecrow]

This is what he told the Post about the potential villain: "We're just coming up with who the villain's going to be now. We'll be shooting in New York again. Trust me, people will appreciate who we pick, because it'll be a big part of New York."

Well he's either lying or that script that was due recently has some very big holes in it!

I think it might be The Lizard - if only because of the grand tradition of setting monster movies in New York.

[FaT_tONle]

A BIG part of New York? What the hell is he talking about there? Someone that can threaten the entire city? Or someone who is literally a big figure as it is. Kingpin seems to fit the bill but they can't use him. And Kraven does not fit the bill at all from that description. I'm clueless.

[thejon93]

So... Spider-Man's next adversary will be the Statue of Liberty?:huh:

[SpeterMan3]

Still not confirmation... but I am not going to complain. Recasting one of the leads makes the public lose interest in an ongoing franchse, which they can not afford after SM3. Just do me a favor Kirsten, lay off the crack/heroine or whatever the hell you have been on the last five years so that you can actually look half way decent again.
I agree. I'm fine with her, anyway. I would prefer that she stays, anyway. I don't like casting changes.
A BIG part of New York? What the hell is he talking about there? Someone that can threaten the entire city? Or someone who is literally a big figure as it is. Kingpin seems to fit the bill but they can't use him. And Kraven does not fit the bill at all from that description. I'm clueless.
I have no idea what they mean either.
:huh:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Cool news! Hmmm, very New York centric? I'm thinknig the Lizard, but I'm really not sure.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

I can't be that bad this time.

[Spidey-Quad]

A BIG part of New York? What the hell is he talking about there? Someone that can threaten the entire city? Or someone who is literally a big figure as it is. Kingpin seems to fit the bill but they can't use him. And Kraven does not fit the bill at all from that description. I'm clueless.

Really, I'm with you here. Like what Spidey villian isn't connected to NYC?
Kraven is from Russia
All Spidey's major storylines are centered in NYC
What kind of clue is this? It's like saying Spidey will be fighting a bad guy, probably with green in his/her costume.
Sigh...

[SpeterMan3]

So... Spider-Man's next adversary will be the Statue of Liberty?:huh:
Nah, Mysterio at the Staue of Liberty, like in the SM2 game.


:yay:

[Carlo Comicus]

I'm so happy about Kirsten return. :)

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm thinking it's either Hammerhead, Lizard, or Vulture. Maybe even kraven.

[TheScarecrow]

I hope it's not Hammerhead or someone similar. Boring...

Lizard is my bet. I think he's very New York.

[dark_b]

meeeeeeeeh. a big meeeeeh.

[The Joker]

Bad news there. I really dislike Kirsten as MJ.

But great news that Morbius is not the villain.

[Iron_Stark]

She better eat a hamburger or two and not look like a crack head.

Oh and dye her hair red again.

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

She better eat a hamburger or two and not look like a crack head.

Oh and dye her hair red again.

:hehe: If only Raimi would tell her to gain some weight...

Catman can kiss MEW goodbye.:o

[SpideyTheBest]

I'm fine with Kirsten. I hate recasts.

But, we have something to look forward to if there is a reboot in the next 10 years. A better MJ.

And yes! Morbius is not the villain! I'm happy! I suppouse that the villain is the Lizard. I'm fine with that but I hope they will pick another villain too.

[TheScarecrow]

I think Kirsten cops a lot of flack for things which might not be her fault. Does anyone not think she was a great MJ in the first one? It's not that she can't play MJ, it's that she's being told not to. Raimi has been trying to create drama and make the character something she isn't.

Die her hair bright red, tell the girl to put a smile on her face and half the battle will be over with.

AND stop dressing her like she's a frumpy woman from the 40's.

[Ol'Canucklehead]

NOOOOOOOOOOO! Why god why? Can't we get a talented actress with good looks?? I mean is it really so hard? Every other movie studio in America seems to manage, so why the hell can't Spider-Man get on the ball? Don't they understand that Dunst is one of the big things that helped turn Spider-Man into an emo, whinny little *****?? Her chemistry with Tobey practical makes your feel like you're watching a rape scene every time they are seen together! I say boycott if this crap keeps up, GIMME A DAMN REBOOT!

[RedIsNotBlue]

Only villain that comes to mind from that is The Lizard. And its nice to see Dunst is confirmed...the one person I don't care about coming back.

[Spidey 2007]

good to hear that Dunst is probably coming back.

[chamber-music]

can't they just leave MJ out for one movie. Have her go to LA or something it worked for Superman. I would rather have Bryce Dallas Howard back as love intrest for a film.

[TheScarecrow]

NOOOOOOOOOOO! Why god why? Can't we get a talented actress with good looks?? I mean is it really so hard? Every other movie studio in America seems to manage, so why the hell can't Spider-Man get on the ball? Don't they understand that Dunst is one of the big things that helped turn Spider-Man into an emo, whinny little *****?? Her chemistry with Tobey practical makes your feel like you're watching a rape scene every time they are seen together! I say boycott if this crap keeps up, GIMME A DAMN REBOOT!

People need to stop throwing around the term "reboot". It's part of a terrible legacy Batman Begins has left us with where everytime there's a single element to a franchise people aren't happy with that it means they can just start again. You're not going to get a reboot for Spider-man for a very long time. While everyone complains about Spider-man 3 like it's the worst movie in history - it was a minor hiccup in the quality which the filmmakers are acknowledging and promissing to fix.

Give it a chance, and give Dunst a chance. I'm willing to bet half of the problems people have with Dunst are things they should be taking up with Raimi. Dunst doesn't write her own lines, so you can't blame her for the overall poor use and characterisation of Catwoman and it would be hard for Dunst to play MJ with the scenes that she's been getting. She did well in Spider-man 1 and I'm willing to give both her and Sam the benefit of the doubt one more time. I'm sure if Sam is listening as intently as he claims, there'll be a better MJ in Spider-man 4.

can't they just leave MJ out for one movie. Have her go to LA or something it worked for Superman. I would rather have Bryce Dallas Howard back as love intrest for a film.

They never said MJ and Peter will be together, only that Dunst is returning. I too would like a movie with Gwen Stacey as the love interest - partly because I think Raimi owes the character for Spider-man 3 and because I liked Bryce so much in Spider-man 3.

[spider-neil]

first off I don't mind her being in SM4 as long as the movie isn't centered around her.

second, is lizard a new york centric villian? I know conner's is based in new york but wasn't the lizard based in florida?

[The Joker]

first off I don't mind her being in SM4 as long as the movie isn't centered around her.

"This story is all about a girl. That girl: Mary Jane Watson"

I sincerely hope they drop that formula.

second, is lizard a new york centric villian? I know conner's is based in new york but wasn't the lizard based in florida?

That was a one off story. And the Spidey movies have established Curt Conners as New York based.

[Spider-Jay420]

Curt Conners has patiently sat through 3 movies and his character is someone Peter goes to for help as they have a long, personal history. He needs his due. Lizard as the villian in SM4.

But he still needs to BECOME the Lizard. In the meantime, Spidey should have to deal with someone like Tombstone or Hammerhead or the Enforcers, since Fox owns the Kingpin. Damn, Kingpin would've been sweet, though.

[The Joker]

Curt Conners has patiently sat through 3 movies

Two movies. He wasn't in the first movie.

[SpeterMan3]

Lol, yeah. He was mentioned, though.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Indeed, so, yeah, I'm thinking we can say he's been developed through 3 movies.

[The Joker]

^^ Indeed, so, yeah, I'm thinking we can say he's been developed through 3 movies.

LOL! What? How did he get any development in Spider-Man 1? He wasn't even in it. Peter just mentioned that he fired him.

[FaT_tONle]

So... Spider-Man's next adversary will be the Statue of Liberty?:huh:

Maybe he is talking about a battle location and not an actual villain. After all he said they are still deciding on who the villains will be so its no where near a done deal.

And Hammerhead would be one of the most uninspired choices I have seen in a long time. Even the Enforcers. Now Spiderman needs mob foes like Batman? Maybe the Enforcers team up with Sandman... but that's still pretty lame.

[Spider-ManHero12]

LOL! What? How did he get any development in Spider-Man 1? He wasn't even in it. Peter just mentioned that he fired him. Lol, as crazy as it sounds, if you think about, he was around in S-M1 even though he was just mentioned. Or maybe I'm just grasping for straws.

[SpeterMan3]

Lol, as crazy as it sounds, if you think about, he was around in S-M1 even though he was just mentioned. Or maybe I'm just grasping for straws.
Hey, it is technically true, lol. And isn't your name being introduced some kind of development? lol, it's very minimal and trivial, but still...ial.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Hey, it is technically true, lol. And isn't your name being introduced some kind of development? lol, it's very minimal and trivial, but still...ial. Yeah, basically. :yay::woot:

[The Joker]

No, your name being mentioned or referenced is not any kind of development.

Doc Ock being in the opening credits of SM-3, and on the newspaper headline on Jameson's office wall, was not development for Ock. Just like Connors being mentioned is not developing him as a character.

Talk sense here, guys.

[SpeterMan3]

It's very slight development, because it was an introduction to his character (existence). Ock was already in 2, so we knew about him. Lol, I know that it's not anything big at all.

And I'm 14, I have no sense.

[Symbiote666]

Let's just say he has been part of it for 3 movies. He's an already existing character and his presence has been known to us since movie 1. Using an already established character makes more sense than coming up with another one for the villian.

[JerseyJoker]

Obviously you people have never heard of the tales of lizards in the sewers of New York ;-)

[Nirvana]

Glad Dunst is still on board. As for the villain, I'd like to see Scorpion make an appearance, but I'd be okay with Kraven and the Lizard.

[david icke]

No, your name being mentioned or referenced is not any kind of development.

Doc Ock being in the opening credits of SM-3, and on the newspaper headline on Jameson's office wall, was not development for Ock. Just like Connors being mentioned is not developing him as a character.

Talk sense here, guys.

Well, I think you could say he was developed in the background of SM1 by his mention. It showed that his and Peter's relationship went beyond the usual teacher/pupil as Peter actually worked for him. They would have had conversations(as opposed to just being on the other side of the room during lectures as in Spider-man 2), Conners picked him over other candidates etc.

I'm hoping the 'New York villan' they are talking about is the Vulture. I really want Spidey to go up against the Lizard and the Vulture.

[SpeterMan3]

Well, I think you could say he was developed in the background of SM1 by his mention. It showed that his and Peter's relationship went beyond the usual teacher/pupil as Peter actually worked for him. They would have had conversations(as opposed to just being on the other side of the room during lectures as in Spider-man 2), Conners picked him over other candidates etc.
Yeah, exactly. Let's just pretend that I said that...

[The Joker]

Well, I think you could say he was developed in the background of SM1 by his mention. It showed that his and Peter's relationship went beyond the usual teacher/pupil as Peter actually worked for him. They would have had conversations(as opposed to just being on the other side of the room during lectures as in Spider-man 2), Conners picked him over other candidates etc.

It's not established in SM-1 that Peter was a student of Conners. Peter simply said he worked for him.

The only impression we got of Conners in SM-1 was that he fired Peter for being late all the time. That's it.

[JerseyJoker]

SM2 and 3 are the only development of the Conners character. SM-1 was just a nod to the fans, nothing more.

[SpeterMan3]

Okay, good points, lol.

[spider-neil]

lizard is pretty much. he is established with the audience (conners), sam has his sympathetic villian, he can introduce conner's family and really sell the inner conflict of the character. the movie only needs

the bugle staff
may
mj (small dose please)
conners and family
the lizard

go back to the basics of the first two movies and not drown out the movie with too many characters you can't develop.
however having said that I'd rather enjoy seeing an opening sequence of spidey taking out a 'b list' villian (rhino, shocker etc) no character development or explaination, just a crook who wants money and spidey takes him out.

[DACrowe]

Trust me if you recast in SM4 the franchise will be written off. Before anyone mentions Rachel Dawes, no one really liked her (and yes the mainstream liked MJ in the first two movies, because they never read the comics) and it a recast after only one movie. This maintains credibility for the franchise.

I hope he is wrong about the marriage, I think SM4 should be the last one. Get them married at the end, end the franchise right and then wait a decade and reboot.

As for the villain, glad to hear it is not a vampire. Raimi yanking fans' chains, what a surprise. ;) :oldrazz:

I'm hoping Lizard...a giant monster in the sewers that tears crap up like subways and stuff? Sounds like NYC in movies.

[JerseyJoker]

End at 4 and then wait 10 years to reboot? Wow... please dont ever be in charge of controlling a multi-billion dollar entity.

[DACrowe]

That was loosely talking. I do believe the franchise is wearing thin. SM4 should end it on a grace note. As for "reboot in 10 years" I was just speaking loosely, as they will pick it up one day, but it needs a rest.

[spider-neil]

end at 4 and then wait 10 years to reboot? Wow... Please dont ever be in charge of controlling a multi-billion dollar entity.

lol!

[SpideyTheBest]

To be honest, Lizard and Kraven will be pretty boring villains if they really are going to be in the film. I never really liked them. I prefer to see Mysterio, Electro and Vulture. We got very lame villains in Spider-Man 3(Sandman is a great villain but he was terrible in the film, Harry was a good villain but the whole amnesia thing ruined his story alot, and Venom will always be a boring villain to me).

Hopefully, they could do something interesting with Lizard and Kraven if they are the villains in the film. And I hope they have two villains in the film. If Lizard is the only one it will be dull.

[FaT_tONle]

Trust me if you recast in SM4 the franchise will be written off. Before anyone mentions Rachel Dawes, no one really liked her (and yes the mainstream liked MJ in the first two movies, because they never read the comics) and it a recast after only one movie. This maintains credibility for the franchise.

I hope he is wrong about the marriage, I think SM4 should be the last one. Get them married at the end, end the franchise right and then wait a decade and reboot.

As for the villain, glad to hear it is not a vampire. Raimi yanking fans' chains, what a surprise. ;) :oldrazz:

I'm hoping Lizard...a giant monster in the sewers that tears crap up like subways and stuff? Sounds like NYC in movies.

I am with you spare the marriage aspect. But does anyone honestly expect Raimi/Tobey to return for 5-6? Anything is possible, but I say no chance in hell they come back. But as far as definitively concluding the series with something like that... unnecessary. Leave the ending open ended for a change, like TDK did. I don't think we need to see MJ/Peter living happily ever after. Sort of like SM1's ending but not as open ended.

[spider-neil]

To be honest, Lizard and Kraven will be pretty boring villains if they really are going to be in the film. I never really liked them. I prefer to see Mysterio, Electro and Vulture. We got very lame villains in Spider-Man 3(Sandman is a great villain but he was terrible in the film, Harry was a good villain but the whole amnesia thing ruined his story alot, and Venom will always be a boring villain to me).

Hopefully, they could do something interesting with Lizard and Kraven if they are the villains in the film. And I hope they have two villains in the film. If Lizard is the only one it will be dull.


I think if done correctly the lizard could be briiliant, play up the jackel and hyde aspect and have some serious conflict of conners wanting to surpress the monster but at the same time wanting to be whole.
also there is an oppertunity to blame spidey for all the harm lizard does because the idea of spidey being loved by the city is just wrong.

also the fight sequences can be awesome because both hero and villian can cling to any surfice and unlike any villian spidey has faced before the villian will have no problem eating him or anyone else who gets in his way.

[Spider-ManHero12]

SM2 and 3 are the only development of the Conners character. SM-1 was just a nod to the fans, nothing more. Technically, Connor's was around in the first film. We just didn't see him.

ALso, Joker, as for talking sense, I think have lost my mind, so that's kind of hard. :dry:......

:woot:

[david icke]

It's not established in SM-1 that Peter was a student of Conners. Peter simply said he worked for him.

The only impression we got of Conners in SM-1 was that he fired Peter for being late all the time. That's it.

That doesn't take away anything from what I said. We saw that they had a teacher/pupil relationship in SM2 and 3. In SM1 we know he worked for Conners, the working environs being different from the lecture room, they would have had conversations and Conners would have picked him over other candidates.

[The Joker]

That doesn't take away anything from what I said.

Of course it does. There was no establishment of who Conners was to Peter, or what the nature of their relationship was in SM-1. To put it simply there was no development here of the character. There wasn't even a character to speak of. As someone else mentioned, it was just a nod to the fans. He was just a name of an employer who fired Peter for being continuously late.

He might as well have been Mr Aziz the pizza guy.

[david icke]

SM2 and SM3 are the only developments for the Conner character. SM 1 was a nod to the fans, nothing more.

Yeah, sure, they could've established Pete's Spidey activities getting in the way of his life by saying he'd been fired from some pizza job, but they chose Conners. But, I'd say it also worked as a, however slight, character development for a possible future appearance, whether by accident or design.

[david icke]

Of course it does. There was no establishment of who Conners was to Peter, or what the nature of their relationship was in SM-1. To put it simply there was no development here of the character. There wasn't even a character to speak of. As someone else mentioned, it was just a nod to the fans. He was just a name of an employer who fired Peter for being continuously late.

He might as well have been Mr Aziz the pizza guy.

Funny you mentioned the pizza guy, i just did in my reply to Jersey Joker above. Yeah, I know what you are saying, and in my reply to JJ I answered this to an extent.
By accident or design, it served as a tiny small slight piece of character development that worked towards establishing the relationship between Peter and Doc Conners and how that developed beyond the usual teacher/pupil relationship.

edit; Ok, i see what you mean, he wasn't Pete's teacher, and teh GA won't assume that, but when he shows up in SM2 folk can think, oh that's the guy who Pete worked for in SM1, even though he fired Pete in SM1 he still likes/believesin/helps him.

[Reikowolf]

This may also tie into how Raimi said that TDK changed things for comic book movies

Perhaps SM4 will venture into how Spider-Man has had an effect on organized crime in new york.

There's a lot there.

Silvermane
Hammer Head
King Pin (I know about Fox but still it would be great)

If the movies take a page from the new animated series, the enforcers may even be tied to some of Spidey's villains

Shocker
Rhino
Ricochet.

[Reikowolf]

I just hope the plot moves away from

Spider-Man is a threat
lets find out who he is and kidnap his woman

[LegendaryCaleb]

I want Mysterio dangit! :(

[SpideyTheBest]

I want Mysterio dangit! :(

I agree! I love fishbawl-head!

[FaT_tONle]

This may also tie into how Raimi said that TDK changed things for comic book movies

Perhaps SM4 will venture into how Spider-Man has had an effect on organized crime in new york.

There's a lot there.

Silvermane
Hammer Head
King Pin (I know about Fox but still it would be great)

If the movies take a page from the new animated series, the enforcers may even be tied to some of Spidey's villains

Shocker
Rhino
Ricochet.

So in other words Spiderman has to become more like Batman... guess that's the trend we can expect with these films the next few years. Can't wait for Thor to come to Earth and lay the law on some mob figures in his movie as well...

[Reikowolf]

So in other words Spiderman has to become more like Batman... guess that's the trend we can expect with these films the next few years. Can't wait for Thor to come to Earth and lay the law on some mob figures in his movie as well...


heh,

its like the matrix effect, when that movie came out, every movie tried to copy it.

Still, Spider-Man has its own mob history. which is definitely different from batman's

where batman is waging a war on organized crime, spider-man has only tried to make a difference where he can. he doesnt keep files on villains.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I just hope the plot moves away from

Spider-Man is a threat
lets find out who he is and kidnap his woman

Yes that is one of the few things I have absolutely hated about the movies. Every single one MJ manages to be captured by the villain and used as bait.

[Cmill216]

The villain will be the New York Giants backfield.

[RedIsNotBlue]

The villain will be the New York Giants backfield.

Meh. I still say Eli Manning should have been the villain.

[American_Hobo]

Well, again with a news that tells absolutely nothing about the villains.
Every Spiderman villains are very New York centric and big part of New York.
But I'm disappointed about Dunst on the board again...........-_-

[SpaceWay2009]

As long there are no complaining and no excessive drama between MJ and Peter, I'm fine with her coming back. Just keep it fresh and develop her character more than just Peter's girlfriend who struggles with her career.

[DACrowe]

To be honest, Lizard and Kraven will be pretty boring villains if they really are going to be in the film. I never really liked them. I prefer to see Mysterio, Electro and Vulture. We got very lame villains in Spider-Man 3(Sandman is a great villain but he was terrible in the film, Harry was a good villain but the whole amnesia thing ruined his story alot, and Venom will always be a boring villain to me).

Hopefully, they could do something interesting with Lizard and Kraven if they are the villains in the film. And I hope they have two villains in the film. If Lizard is the only one it will be dull.

Really? I always thought Lizard was an A-lister with Spidey having to save his friend who is basically Mr. Hyde and at the same time feeling guilty for not stopping him from all the damage he has done. The parallels of Peter wanting to start a family with MJ and seeing what Lizard has done to the Connor family is interesting and he is visually awe-some.

Kraven if modeled after KLH is a great psychological villain about pride and rage and burying Spidey alive, with MJ thinking he is dead and perhaps he misses Aunt May on her death bed or something...all very interesting ideas. Plus it adds an angle that the villain doesn't want to kill Spidey, at least at first, but rather Spidey has to protect one villain from the other.

I always thought Vulture, Mysterio and Electro were bores. But to each their own, I guess.

[Sam Fisher]

So... Spider-Man's next adversary will be the Statue of Liberty?:huh:sg6wPcHukvk

[david icke]

I always thought Vulture, Mysterio and Electro were bores. But to each their own, I guess.

I kind of know what you mean. There was one good character story i read with Electro called 'Light up the night', the only one I can recall where he had any distinct character.
The Vulture had one or two I recall with ok character stuff, but nothing that special.
Mysterio looks great, but I was never that into him as a villan, always thought the sfx angle was a little too weak for Spidey.
But, in a movie they could be written into being decent characters somehow.
Mind you, I was wanting the Vulture in (alongside the Lizard) purely for the fact that arial battles would look great onscreen and he wouldn't have to have much of a backstory so you could concentrate the screentime on Conners/The Lizard's backstory.

As for Dunst back as MJ. As many people have said, they really need to change her dynamic in these movies for the 4th. No more being taken hostage by the villan. It would be so much better if she was just in Peter's life as his ex but as the one person who knows his secret, surely something interesting could be written along those lines. He doesn't need to have a gf or love interest at all in the movie, but they will probably give him one, if not MJ then Gwen Stacey. It sure would be a breath of fresh air to have a superhero movie without a love interest.

[FaT_tONle]

Electro, Vulture, Mysterio are just the next villains in the waiting line IMO... like what Sandman was. If it doesn't fit the story then don't use them. Sandman did not fit the story in SM3... or it fit a failed story if we are going to be technical. I personally think they'd require too much side plot to develop along side Lizard. I am not saying Kraven is the only option, but he is a villain that can just jump right in no sweat.

[david icke]

Electro, Vulture, Mysterio are just the next villains in the waiting line IMO... like what Sandman was. If it doesn't fit the story then don't use them. Sandman did not fit the story in SM3... or it fit a failed story if we are going to be technical. I personally think they'd require too much side plot to develop along side Lizard. I am not saying Kraven is the only option, but he is a villain that can just jump right in no sweat.

I like Kraven and love the Last Hunt story. But that is the problem I have with Kraven. I think I would want him to have a movie to himself along the lines of KLH, but maybe he is not good enough visually for a Spider-man movie to have the movie to himself. edit: So I'd want another villan in there, but one who wouldn't take away from teh Kraven character development, one who requires less storytime.)
Same kind of thing with the Lizard. If he's going to be a dumb monster I'd want some kind of intelligent villan that can talk to Spidey in he Lizard movie too.
I don't know if I'd want a Kraven/Lizard story as both their powers are kind of similar to a degree, both superstrong wall crawlers/jumpers basically. That's why I'd prefer the Vulture, two vastly different movie visuals.
As you say, it depend on the story and how you would fit them in to the best advantage dramatically, but I think you have to take into consideration the fact that you'd want to play with different visuals/superpowers onscreen. Even if you didn't like the story, the 3 villans in SM3 were all vastly different from one another visually.

[GoldGoblin]

A villain that can threaten the entire city of New York?
-Hydro Man:Can drown the entire city.

-The Tinkerer,gives all thugs high tech equipment making every normal thug a supervillain.

-Kingpin:A crime boss.

[Project862006]

lizard is a must how awesome would the nyc sewer battles be!!!

i got a cool scenario that lets dunst come back as MJ gives peter a new motivation and makes lizard seem more bad ass than any other villain in the SM Movie series.

I know they are ruling out Parker and Mary Jane marriage but lets throw that in here for the beginning of the film.Also have Connors transform into the Lizard and he comes out during the wedding and goes berserk crazy and kills MJ.Headlines of a lizard beast killing a woman on her wedding day would sure catch they eye of kraven when he reads it or hears it on tv.This would also make peter feel helpless that he cant save everyone or be that shinning light all the time when people are in need.Also givign him the motivation for revenge of a man killing the woman he loves.

[Spidey-Quad]

It's all my fault, I made Dunst my $itch while mak'in some eggs. Slapped her and told her to drop that lame as'n Parker. ***** cried on the bridge too, yo'll saw it. Then I made her dry up, de-tox n' bo'tox, lame skinny innie.
Now give me soon blond Bryce, that's what I'm say'n

[Spidey-Quad]

What the .... was I just thinking. Mystyerio muss'a gassed me

[GoldGoblin]

They might try and do what the tv show "The Spectacular Spider-Man" did when they had to use someone to replace the Kingpin when they couldn't use him,and make Kraven the crime boss who threatens the entire city.

I hope some of his henchmen are classic villains,the Chameleon could even be one.

[spider-neil]

It's all my fault, I made Dunst my $itch while mak'in some eggs. Slapped her and told her to drop that lame as'n Parker. ***** cried on the bridge too, yo'll saw it. Then I made her dry up, de-tox n' bo'tox, lame skinny innie.
Now give me soon blond Bryce, that's what I'm say'n


I think dunce in SM1 looked better than bryce in SM3. she just needs that deep red wig and a few burgers.

[Project862006]

bryce from ts looked fine

[FaT_tONle]

A villain that can threaten the entire city of New York?
-Hydro Man:Can drown the entire city.

Yeah go the MJ's ex-boyfriend route like TAS... let her get kidnapped and off we go...

[Spider-ManHero12]

sg6wPcHukvk Lol. :woot:


Seriously, my mind is on fire thinking about who the Villian could be. Hmmmm...

[Goran]

With "new york centric" they could mean "in the center of new york"... e.g. the Central Park! Maybe a great battle against the Lizard will take place there.

[DACrowe]

I kind of know what you mean. There was one good character story i read with Electro called 'Light up the night', the only one I can recall where he had any distinct character.
The Vulture had one or two I recall with ok character stuff, but nothing that special.
Mysterio looks great, but I was never that into him as a villan, always thought the sfx angle was a little too weak for Spidey.
But, in a movie they could be written into being decent characters somehow.
Mind you, I was wanting the Vulture in (alongside the Lizard) purely for the fact that arial battles would look great onscreen and he wouldn't have to have much of a backstory so you could concentrate the screentime on Conners/The Lizard's backstory.

As for Dunst back as MJ. As many people have said, they really need to change her dynamic in these movies for the 4th. No more being taken hostage by the villan. It would be so much better if she was just in Peter's life as his ex but as the one person who knows his secret, surely something interesting could be written along those lines. He doesn't need to have a gf or love interest at all in the movie, but they will probably give him one, if not MJ then Gwen Stacey. It sure would be a breath of fresh air to have a superhero movie without a love interest.

You see, I'm not sure why some fans are so adament about that. I do agree that we need to move away from formula and I too tire of the girlfriend who is kidnapped by the villain and has little else to do. However, love (or even the lack and aspiration for it) is a major part of most people's lives. And Spidey is [i]the[/] EVERYDAY superhero. His love life has always been a major factor of the character. As John Romita Sr. said, "It's a soap opera that a superhero fight breaks out in every now and then."

I would be fine and very happy for their to be no love interest for Batman in the third film. But Spidey? He needs it, even if it is a hole in his life, somehow.

[Project862006]

have lizard kill MJ is the direction i want not just to get rid of dunst but just to shake up things bit in the spidey world and make things get more serious

[SpeterMan3]

Maybe Gwen... MJ shouldn't die.

[Sentinel X]

She's back...darn.
On the bright side, if Morbius were the villain and turned Kirsten into a vampire...less work for the make-up artist :o

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4780/kirstendunst.jpg

Indeed, the perfect MJ!

[thejon93]

have lizard kill MJ is the direction i want not just to get rid of dunst but just to shake up things bit in the spidey world and make things get more serious
Yeah. I'd like to see them make a ballsy twist by having Gwen thrown from the bridge (ala the comics), only to be saved by Spider-Man to have Mary Jane killed instead to drive Peter's rage towards a particular villain to the edge. Maybe have it be The Lizard who kills Mary Jane to create a kind of "double jeopardy" feel in whether or not Peter will save his friend and mentor inside the monster. Or will Spider-Man end up killing the monster? I think that'd be a nice spin, if done right on-screen.

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

has anyone bothered to pay attention to having kirsten come back for a part of the movie, notice the keyword and not the WHOLE movie.

I am 100 % sure that sony and sam are aware of how the fans feel about kirsten dunst and how much they favored bryce dallas in the third film.

lets go back with what happened in the third film... Peter and mj were having some serious issues especially with that upside down kiss with gwen. Common sense here is that I am sure that the movie will open up with gwen and peter together and in love while mj couldnt take the tragedy of what happened with harry and the stunt with gwen.

Remember that the stories always take place a few years later after the prior film. If Sam raimi is serious about bringing justice to the franchise then he has to deal with the stacys since they were already introduced in the last film. According to james cromwell's statement from the last film, his character will die in this film.

If its the case that the villian is kraven, then you dont have to introduce lizard as a villian because the character of doc conners was already developed in the past and the lizard isnt really a villian at all. He is an animal on the loose and a victim in this situation. Spiderman will try to find a way to bring back a friend to human form while Kraven seems fit to destroy it and hunt it down like an animal. In the process of the film while spider-man and lizard are fighting it out, debris falls and cap stacy pushes a kid out of the way to save him which costs his own life.

For obvious reasons gwen puts the blame on spider-man for it and as much as peter wants to tell her the truth, he cant face her. Once again another situation as to where he feels guilt and pressure like how he finally told aunt may the truth about who is responsible for his uncles death.

While spider-man is trying to do the right thing and kraven on the other hand wants to put a stop to the lizard, spidey fights with himself on whether or not kraven was right on stopping him before hand. I mean thats alot of emotional stuff right there because even though the lizard is out of control, its still peters professor and friend inside there. The question is what choice will he make before someone else gets hurt or worse ?

[Project862006]

yeah but that maybe a little to similar to tdk but i get your drift also didn't they do that in one spidey film already with saving mj or the bus of passengers

[Golgo-13]

The Scorpion is very New York centric. Gargan is from Brooklyn i believe..

I just hope it's The Lizard, and we get a story of him trying to turn the inhabitants of NY into Lizard creatures.

I hate the way they say Dunst will definitely be back, as if that's supposed to be good news to us. :whatever:

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

yeah but that maybe a little to similar to tdk but i get your drift also didn't they do that in one spidey film already with saving mj or the bus of passengers

in what way exactly ? They are two completely different stories...

joker ( nutcase causing chaos )

Two Face ( Da that goes batty, then becomes villian and wants revenge for what happed with rachel )

TWO DIFFERENT STORIES

if your trying to reach the similarities between batman feeling conflicted about saving harvey dent, he had a choice. Doc conners when turned into the lizard has NO CONTROL over it. its not like the joker was trying to hunt two face down, he was trying to turn the white night into the dark. His point of anarchy in the film was to prove that no matter how much of a good person you are, there is always a way of bringing that darker side out.

[Cartman Blues]

It's gonna be Cloverfield. I bet each and every one of you 10 dollars. :oldrazz:

[redfirebird2008]

She's back...darn.
On the bright side, if Morbius were the villain and turned Kirsten into a vampire...less work for the make-up artist :o

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4780/kirstendunst.jpg

Indeed, the perfect MJ!


Old snaggletooth strikes again! :p

[TheScarecrow]

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This may also tie into how Raimi said that TDK changed things for comic book movies

Perhaps SM4 will venture into how Spider-Man has had an effect on organized crime in new york.

There's a lot there.

Silvermane
Hammer Head
King Pin (I know about Fox but still it would be great)


I don't go to Spider-man movies to see him fighting suits. It works for Batman for a couple of reasons:
1. That's always been the tone of the comics.
2. He has the same physical strength as them, so even normal people are a physical challenge.

I don't think there's a challenge in it. Aside from that, I think Spider-man's mob villains are boring.

I hope he is wrong about the marriage, I think SM4 should be the last one. Get them married at the end, end the franchise right and then wait a decade and reboot.

No chance, there's nothing wrong with the franchise.

[Dog Logan]

She's back...darn.
On the bright side, if Morbius were the villain and turned Kirsten into a vampire...less work for the make-up artist :o

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4780/kirstendunst.jpg

Indeed, the perfect MJ!


Is this picture real?

[[A]]

Yes. And so will be your nightmares.

[redfirebird2008]

Is this picture real?

I'm afraid so. :hehe:

[Dog Logan]

Ewww....that's so gross.

[NewYorkSpider]

Cool news! Hmmm, very New York centric? I'm thinknig the Lizard, but I'm really not sure.

I'm 99.9% sure they're going to use the Lizard. It's who everyone wants at this point.

[Dog Logan]

They should use the Lizard, and that'd be great since New York is where most monsters appear.

[redfirebird2008]

Ewww....that's so gross.

She's the Queen of Snaggle. :woot:

[redfirebird2008]

I'm 99.9% sure they're going to use the Lizard. It's who everyone wants at this point.

Didn't everyone (fanbase) want Venom? How did that turn out? :hehe:

[NewYorkSpider]

Didn't everyone (fanbase) want Venom? How did that turn out? :hehe:

I think it will be different this time around. I thought the character of Eddie Brock/Venom was greatly portrayed by Grace. The less screen time made it look bad.

[redfirebird2008]

I think it will be different this time around. I thought the character of Eddie Brock/Venom was greatly portrayed by Grace. The less screen time made it look bad.

The whole "let's team up to take out Spider-Man" plot was poorly done. Really lazy writing. I felt bad for Grace and Church having to do the scene where they agree to team up. It was cheesy as hell and really lousy storytelling.

[NewYorkSpider]

The whole "let's team up to take out Spider-Man" plot was poorly done. Really lazy writing. I felt bad for Grace and Church having to do the scene where they agree to team up. It was cheesy as hell and really lousy storytelling.

I kinda wanted to see Venom kill Sandman. It would have made his character more understandable that all he cares about his killing Spider-Man. Anyone who gets in his way he'll take out. There's a lot of different scenerios that SM3 could've took.

[redfirebird2008]

I kinda wanted to see Venom kill Sandman. It would have made his character more understandable that all he cares about his killing Spider-Man. Anyone who gets in his way he'll take out. There's a lot of different scenerios that SM3 could've took.

Yes, Venom killing Sandman would have been good. Anything to avoid the Giant Marshmallow Man version of Sandman during the climax would have been good.

I'm like you, I want Lizard in the next movie and I hope they don't screw it up like they did with Venom and Sandman.

[Dog Logan]

I think Venom got screwed up to an extent because Raimi was forced to put him in the film, but this time the villain will pretty much be all his choosing.

[JerseyJoker]

Dunst always has had that snaggle tooth, just a bad picture, no big deal.

[xwolverine2]

I'm so happy about Kirsten return. :)

:cmad:

[Venom'sDad]

A BIG part of New York? What the hell is he talking about there? Someone that can threaten the entire city? Or someone who is literally a big figure as it is. Kingpin seems to fit the bill but they can't use him. And Kraven does not fit the bill at all from that description. I'm clueless.

NY is known for many things; but I think what the producer is referring to is the New York "Subways & Sewers". That's what fans would be appreciative of. All the "Urban Legends" of the "Alligator in the Sewers". A smaller version of "Godzilla or Cloverfield" in New York.

New York, the "Concrete Jungle" is also well know for got "Hunts" or in other words "Tracking Down" Stealthy Criminals. Detective story, clues, leads, NYC....

It may be too early to say; but, Lizard is written all over his statement, and what come with Lizard comes a great tracker. I'm putting my money on Lizard & Kraven. It appears to me, we got what most have been asking for. ;)

[TheScarecrow]

It may be too early to say; but, Lizard is written all over his statement, and what come with Lizard comes a great tracker. I'm putting my money on Lizard & Kraven. It appears to me, we got what most have been asking for.

Yeah, it seems to fit. Almost everyone wants to see it (I think) and, unlike Venom, they're two villains that Raimi can get on board with. They also open up the possibility for a great type of story we haven't seen yet and Raimi gets awesome special effects (via The Lizard) while having a "human" villian as well.

[Dog Logan]

Getting the Lizard AND Kraven would be nothing short of amazing, especially if they have the right effects for the Lizard and makes him look very animalistic and intense while having the perfect actor to deliver Kraven's persona. I pray they don't try to make Kraven a "misunderstood villain".

[NewYorkSpider]

We already know who Dr. Connors is and what he does. The focus should be on Kraven, buliding a story for him and molding into Spider-Man's/The Lizards life. Should make for an exciting movie if thats the villains.

[FaT_tONle]

Can we stop putting that pick up of the snaggle tooth... I mean even the Dunst haters have to admit it's kinda old. I mean it's hideous... why keep posting/quoting it?

NY is known for many things; but I think what the producer is referring to is the New York "Subways & Sewers". That's what fans would be appreciative of. All the "Urban Legends" of the "Alligator in the Sewers". A smaller version of "Godzilla or Cloverfield" in New York.

New York, the "Concrete Jungle" is also well know for got "Hunts" or in other words "Tracking Down" Stealthy Criminals. Detective story, clues, leads, NYC...

It may be too early to say; but, Lizard is written all over his statement, and what come with Lizard comes a great tracker. I'm putting my money on Lizard & Kraven. It appears to me, we got what most have been asking for.


Wow... you must have gotten some award in school for abstract/critical thinking... or were you just throwing some bull **** at me hoping it sticks... because I never knew the New York sewers could be taken to such a deep level.

[chesslover]

I'm so happy about Kirsten return. :)

Howdy Ms. Dunst. :hehe:

[mjbull23]

great news that Morbius is not the villain.

Absolutely. :word:

[Compi716]

What this movie needs is [more] wisecracks.







































There, I said it. Again.

[Lunar_Wolf]

What this movie needs is [more] wisecracks.







































There, I said it. Again.

I agree 100%. That is one of Spider-Man's main tactics in battle, piss the enemy off to the point of them making a mistake, then he strikes.

[Dog Logan]

Spider-Man has been lacking serious quips in pretty much all three movies. He's supposed to be annoying to the enemy, but funny to us. We haven't gotten much of that.

[Adrian89]

Very sad news. This article just ruined my day, thanks!

And I agree with the 2 posts above me! And 1 more thing: Peter was always a wimp in these movies, especially in 2 & 3. That should be changed.

[zeptron]

I think the only smartass comment he ever made was to Bone Saw McGraw and that before he officially became Spider-man.

[david icke]

You see, I'm not sure why some fans are so adament about that. I do agree that we need to move away from formula and I too tire of the girlfriend who is kidnapped by the villain and has little else to do. However, love (or even the lack and aspiration for it) is a major part of most people's lives. And Spidey is [i]the[/] EVERYDAY superhero. His love life has always been a major factor of the character. As John Romita Sr. said, "It's a soap opera that a superhero fight breaks out in every now and then."

I would be fine and very happy for their to be no love interest for Batman in the third film. But Spidey? He needs it, even if it is a hole in his life, somehow.

Yeah, you're right, whereas Batman/Bruce Wayne doesn't need to interact with the world to bring in his rent money, PP has always had the Bugle, college etc where he was always in contact with women, dating or falling in or out with one girl or another.
I suppose I was thinking along teh lines of him having it as 'a hole in his life' when I was saying that it might be more interesting having MJ being in the movie as his ex who knows his secret. Pete could be wanting her back but she is not sure at all after all the downers of SM3. Not sure about where BH's Gwen Stacey should fit into all this, unlike teh comics where you play with all this soap opera stuff over the years, they have a lot to fit into a 2hr movie, so any tug of war between GS and MJ for Pete's affections could just play out like SM3 if tehy don't have much time to deal with it.
But, I would like him to be in a different set of circumstances with MJ, maybe like the comics during the original Hobgoblin era when MJ knows Pete's secret but tehy are not together and things are a little hazy, and even a little uncomfortable, on where they stand with each other, even though they are technically friends.

[FaT_tONle]

I think Byrce needs to be back to make up for the screen time. Otherwise it will be a pretty short film if it's just two villains and no supporting characters.

[Golgo-13]

I hope we get another love interest for Pete. I'm really tied of him being so dopey over MJ 24/7.

Bring in Felicia Hardy.

[Agent Z]

I just hope Banks comes back as Betty. I need my Betty.

As we are talking about wants with characters, let's also talk about trends we want that are different from the trilogy, as in possibly letting Spider-Man keep his mask on throughout the climax of the film this fourth time around.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ I'm thikning she'll back. Though, Banks said she'd come back only if she gets a bigger role. That's kind of a stupid reason, IMO. I mean, she's still playing an important role.

[NinjaCarm]

Maybe this whole New York crap means it will be a big showdown between Spider-Man, Lizard, and Kraven at the Statue of Liberty.

:cwink:

[Venom'sDad]

We already know who Dr. Connors is and what he does. The focus should be on Kraven, buliding a story for him and molding into Spider-Man's/The Lizards life. Should make for an exciting movie if thats the villains.
I disagree... the focus needs to be one Connors/Lizard. That's the real story. Kraven does not need any backstory or special characterization. He just need to be setup and allowed to convey his motivations. There is nothing diabolical in Kraven other than hanging a specimen on the wall.


I never knew the New York sewers could be taken to such a deep level.
LOL... not at all FaTs. The point is NY is known in the movie genra for it Subways, Sewers, and Tunnels. There is no other city in the world, that's a better place for using that backdrop than New York City. And I think that's what he meant when he said that we would appreciate the villain/backdrop... it's so New York.

Whem film companies scout locations for that type of backdrop, beit horror, suspense & thriller, action(like Die-Hard), crime murder mystery, love story, or a portal to fantasy... they come to NYC. They don't go to LA. LA is flat, They don't go to Chicago, Chicago subs are mostly above ground and sewers are very narrow. The same can be said for Philly and ATL. So I just think he's sending signals out that filming will be entirily done in NYC, compared to previous films that was shot in multiple location. This film will have a definite New York feel to it.

And, if I may add, New York is regularly referred to as a "Concrete Jungle" which set up well for the modern hunt. The American version of Godzilla, Cloverfield, Ghostbusters, Die-Hard 3&4 Bruce Willies on the hunt, and many other films comes to mind, where the title character, hero, or military is tracking someone or something. That's all I'm saying.


I think the only smartass comment he ever made was to Bone Saw McGraw and that before he officially became Spider-man.
Also, he gots some digs in, while fighting Harry in SM3 and that was after he got the Symbiote. So we have yet to get any good antagonizing, smartass comments from him just as Spiderman.

[JerseyJoker]

Thats the only thing i think really is missing from the character, is those smart ass comments, talking so much that it throws the villain off.

Thats why i still feel that they need to start a film off with a minor villain robbing a bank or something, someone like Shocker, where you can start the movie off with a bang, have a fun and light action/fight scene and display that comic wit of Spidey.

[Agent Z]

^^ I'm thikning she'll back. Though, Banks said she'd come back only if she gets a bigger role. That's kind of a stupid reason, IMO. I mean, she's still playing an important role.

Part of the beauty of her limited role/character is that she works best in small doses. The mystery/potential of the Brant/Parker relationship is better than the exploration of it.

Just because Banks doesn't get a lot of screen time doesn't lessen the impact her character has on the audience. Doesn't everyone, even critics of SM3 still cite Banks' bit with Jameson's pills as one of their favorite scenes?

Quality over quantity. I hope Banks remembers that. :yay:

[JerseyJoker]

Hopefully Banks doesn't get to into that whole, shes a bigger name now then she was in 2002, so she deserves more. Cause even though her role is minimal, its important, and anytime they are in the Daily Bugle you have to see Betty Brant.

That's why im hoping for maybe a battle to take place in the Bugle, it could involve her a bit more.

[FaT_tONle]

I say give her the screen time... it doesn't need to be a fling with Parker, but give her more meat if you can and it doesn't detract from the story. It's times like this you wish the kept Eddie Brock around so that you could have more material to work with.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Whooo....

Love Kirsten Dunst! :woot:

That is all...

[NewYorkSpider]

I disagree... the focus needs to be one Connors/Lizard. That's the real story. Kraven does not need any backstory or special characterization. He just need to be setup and allowed to convey his motivations. There is nothing diabolical in Kraven other than hanging a specimen on the wall.


I wasn't saying the main focus needs to be Kraven. I'm saying builiding a story for Kraven should be an important aspect of the movie. Do you want his character to get no screen time and end up like Sandman's/Venom's?. I agree that the focus should be Connors/Lizard in this movie since he's the bigger villain here. I'm just saying Kraven getting some screen time should be a priority.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Part of the beauty of her limited role/character is that she works best in small doses. The mystery/potential of the Brant/Parker relationship is better than the exploration of it. Very well said! :up:

[protocida]

Since Columbia forced Gwen into the franchise, at least give her an decent ending.

[Adrian89]

^^ I'm thikning she'll back. Though, Banks said she'd come back only if she gets a bigger role. That's kind of a stupid reason, IMO. I mean, she's still playing an important role.
I don't think it's a stupid reason, I rather see more of her instead of Drama Queen Dunst!

[Venom'sDad]

I wasn't saying the main focus needs to be Kraven. I'm saying builiding a story for Kraven should be an important aspect of the movie. Do you want his character to get no screen time and end up like Sandman's/Venom's?. I agree that the focus should be Connors/Lizard in this movie since he's the bigger villain here. I'm just saying Kraven getting some screen time should be a priority.

Well I for one, much like yourself, hopes Kraven gets plenty of screen time; and I think he will if they follow the plot that many of us think it should follow.

Neitherless, I just don't believe his backstory needs to be all that involved. I hate bringing up Batman in a Spiderman board, but the way Joker just was, is how I see Kraven being as well... and that's all I'm saying. Give him room to setup and convey his motivations... I don't need to get to know him or his past.

Now if the story was about him and he's the main focus... than yes we need those other qualities; but not as the sub-plot.

[dark_b]

Hopefully Banks doesn't get to into that whole, shes a bigger name now then she was in 2002, so she deserves more. Cause even though her role is minimal, its important, and anytime they are in the Daily Bugle you have to see Betty Brant.

That's why im hoping for maybe a battle to take place in the Bugle, it could involve her a bit more.
since it got boring that MJ was saved all the time. lets make a scene where spiderman must save Betty

[Golgo-13]

Why does Spidey HAVE to save a girl during the final battle anyway? Can't he be just saving the city, or some randomn ppl? If he has to save a female at the end of 4, make it Aunt May this time. I'm tired of seeing MJ caught up in the mix.

[venom892]

He already saved Aunt May in 2.I would like peter you know to save the city without having some other motive.

[FaT_tONle]

Why does Spidey HAVE to save a girl during the final battle anyway? Can't he be just saving the city, or some randomn ppl? If he has to save a female at the end of 4, make it Aunt May this time. I'm tired of seeing MJ caught up in the mix.

How about members of the Bugle get kidnapped or something? Or more likely... Connor's wife or kid. That would work.

[protocida]

MJ in one spot. Gwen in another and Betty in another. :hehe:

[zeptron]

If they use Scorpion then he would have to save JJJ.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Connor's wife or kid. That would work. If Lizard is in the film, that's what I'm thinking they will do.

[Dog Logan]

I really don't care for anymore hostage situations, I'd prefer a bigger group of people to be in danger.

[JerseyJoker]

What you need to do now that Kirsten is back, is give her a more empowering role. She knows who Spider-Man is, she knows what Peter is going through, she has seen him through the rise and the mistakes he has made, give her a chance to not be an intangible to Peter.

In SM2 and 3, MJ is shown to take a stand and try to overcome a villain (Ock and Venom), yeah obviously she wont hold her own against them, but showing that she is not just going to sit(hang) around and wait to be saved, or try to help Pete out is great motivation for the character.

I really think, that Dunst is back for a reason, she must of read that script by now, and see atleast some advancing of the MJ character, not in the sense she has to be the sole focus of the film, but taking the character in a significant direction.

[Dog Logan]

No, Dunst must've seen how many zeros was on her check, and signed on. Dunst doesn't give a flying **** if her character changes or not, she just wants the money, and that's precisely the problem. However, I could be wrong and she may actually do something with the role like she did in the first two movies. We'll have to wait and see for sure.

[Figs]

Sad news that she'll be back but hopefully her role is smaller than the last two films.

[Papa Burgundy]

noooooo!!!!!!!

ok look i liked her in 2. shes not beautiful or anything but her performance in 2 was good (enough)

however in 3 she was complete garbage, a whiny annoying brat from beginning to end.

and gwen was hotter.

[Figs]

noooooo!!!!!!!

ok look i liked her in 2. shes not beautiful or anything but her performance in 2 was good (enough)

however in 3 she was complete garbage, a whiny annoying brat from beginning to end.

and gwen was hotter.

Agreed on all and especially what's in bold.

Personally I liked the hair Dunst had in the first one. Since they wrote the character quite a bit different than how she is in the comics at least give her full on red hair and not strawberry blonde.

I just hope she's more supportive of Peter being Spider-Man and Raimi doesn't focus on the relationship ups and downs as much as he did in part 3.

[spider-neil]

okay dunst looks like she is on cack now but I don't care what anyone says in SM1 one she was hot and looked like MJ. oh wherefore is THAT dunst? I suspect hiding in the same place as jennifer connelly's boobs.

[Nathan]

Dunst again? Booooooo!

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Dunst again? Booooooo!

What??

If fans want to chop the cast and stories up now... then why on earth support Tobey Maguire's return. He was arguably the worst actor in Spider-man 3! I'm just sayin'

-----
All this crap about... ''I trust in Sam Raimi for Spider-man 4'', yet when it comes down to it, the majority of fans seem to be doing nothing but *****ing about his decisions.

If you want another Sam Raimi directed movie... then you have to live with the continuity that he has created. MJ is in the script, and in Sam Raimi's world Kirsten Dunst is MJ.



Anyways... just cause shes in the script is no guarantee that she will have a prominent role.

[Nathan]

What??

If fans want to chop the cast and stories up now... then why on earth support Tobey Maguire's return. He was arguably the worst actor in Spider-man 3! I'm just sayin'

And who says I'm supporting Tobey's return? I'm not thrilled about him either.

[Secret_Riddle]

Spider-Man 3 shouldn't taint your views of 1 and especially 2.

Raimi and co. deserve a decent swan song.

Let's see what they can pull off at what could be their best, before we start judging them based off their absolute worst.

[HHHDan]

If the villain that turns out to be a "big part of New York" is the Kingpin and they do him right this time (Big fat white guy and not a big muscular black guy) then that will be great. If it just turns out to be a mobster villain like Hammerhead and the such, it will be a snooze fest! (Mobsters aren't super villains; even with super powers)

With the Kingpin, I always thought it would be good to have him in one of the movies, bringing the sinister six together. Kingpin has unlimited ressources. With the heir to Oscorp now dead (Thank god for that!) he could have bought Oscorp, and it's secrets, and use them to create new villains and assemble a team to take out spidey. He could create Rhino, Shocker, Scorpion and hobgoblin, hire Kraven and, as a super twist, we could discover that he fished out Doctor Octopus from the river after Spider-man 2; and Doc Ock now has amnesia (Doesn't remember that Peter Parker is Spider-man but feels a deep hatered of Spider-man; fed by the Kingpin, of course).

Now, that would make a great spidey 4 (& 5)

[Venom'sDad]

If fans want to chop the cast and stories up now... then why on earth support Tobey Maguire's return. He was arguably the worst actor in Spider-man 3! I'm just sayin'

-----
All this crap about... ''I trust in Sam Raimi for Spider-man 4'', yet when it comes down to it, the majority of fans seem to be doing nothing but *****ing about his decisions.

If you want another Sam Raimi directed movie... then you have to live with the continuity that he has created. MJ is in the script, and in Sam Raimi's world Kirsten Dunst is MJ.

Exactly... good post. :up: Welcome to the minority. That's one of the point a few of us having been making to no avail.

People is hating on Dunst; but, whether you like her or not. Sam & Co. wrote MJ's character that way and Kirsten is just doing what she is ask to do. Sam is overall responsible for bring the characters to life. The Characterization of Peter & MJ, amongst others, are incorrect, and in some cases, completely wrong.

For what ever reason, Sam cast Tobey & Kirsten, because they fit the can of persona that Sam wanted for Peter & MJ. Which again, shows me he really does not know & understand these characters. Tobey is a quiet and reclusive person. Sam wanted Tobey because he fit the role that Sam envision for Peter, a quiet, nerdy, choir-boy, outcast. The same can be said about Kirsten who is a dull, manic-depressive, drama queen. She fits the part that Sam envision MJ to be.

Sam has time & time again have said how great Kirsten is, regardless how much the public scolds her performance and characterization of MJ. That alone should tell you something about what this man envision of the characters are. They fit the mold that Sam wants, and he is more responsible for these characterization of Peter & MJ, than Tobey & Kirsten are. I don't understand how many of you don't see this.

But hey, to each their own. :dry:

[Secret_Riddle]

If the villain that turns out to be a "big part of New York" is the Kingpin and they do him right this time (Big fat white guy and not a big muscular black guy) then that will be great. If it just turns out to be a mobster villain like Hammerhead and the such, it will be a snooze fest! (Mobsters aren't super villains; even with super powers)

With the Kingpin, I always thought it would be good to have him in one of the movies, bringing the sinister six together. Kingpin has unlimited ressources. With the heir to Oscorp now dead (Thank god for that!) he could have bought Oscorp, and it's secrets, and use them to create new villains and assemble a team to take out spidey. He could create Rhino, Shocker, Scorpion and hobgoblin, hire Kraven and, as a super twist, we could discover that he fished out Doctor Octopus from the river after Spider-man 2; and Doc Ock now has amnesia (Doesn't remember that Peter Parker is Spider-man but feels a deep hatered of Spider-man; fed by the Kingpin, of course).

Now, that would make a great spidey 4 (& 5)


Although I object to Dr. Octopus returning due to thematic reasons (as well as ruining Spider-Man 2's excellent closure to his character arc), under no circumstances should anyone EVER have "amnesia" in order to find a lazy route around plot obstacles. Spider-Man 3 did this..and it was ultimately, I think most would agree, the weakest developed plot line in the film.

[Lunar_Wolf]

They did the amnesia thing with Harry in the last film.

''Looks like Doc Ock has a case of the Harry's'' :P

[luke1234]

Now amnesia is definitely an overused plot device.

[Papa Burgundy]

Now amnesia is definitely an overused plot device.

that really pissed me off. so freakin lame.

and tobey wasnt to good in spider-man 3. alot of opening his eyes very wide and crying. i dont mind crying in movies but it was so freakin excessive in spider man 3 i couldnt stand it. i think every main actor in this movie cries at some point.

[luke1234]

that really pissed me off. so freakin lame.

and tobey wasnt to good in spider-man 3. alot of opening his eyes very wide and crying. i dont mind crying in movies but it was so freakin excessive in spider man 3 i couldnt stand it. i think every main actor in this movie cries at some point.

yeah he cried way too much. spider-man 1 and 2 it was legit, spider-man 3 it was overabused.

[Lunar_Wolf]

that really pissed me off. so freakin lame.

and tobey wasnt to good in spider-man 3. alot of opening his eyes very wide and crying. i dont mind crying in movies but it was so freakin excessive in spider man 3 i couldnt stand it. i think every main actor in this movie cries at some point.

iPZNCNRC3OU

[tryp09]

And who says I'm supporting Tobey's return? I'm not thrilled about him either.


My thoughts exactly. Tobey did nothing for me in any of the three movies. Dunst does not play a believable broadway actress (maybe any kind of actress) and has no chemistry whatever with the leading guy.

Whoever did the casting needs to go.

[chaseter]

It is either The Lizard as someone mentioned New York being a good monster movie location or it will be Electro and Times Square:up:

[gtkilla]

I'm glad she and Toby are back, but I just PRAY that she's not used as bait/the damsel in distress that needs to be saved AGAIN! Enough with saving her already. :rolleyes:

[Closerframe]

Glad to see Dunst is coming back and The Lizard is obviously the villain in Spider-Man 4.

[SpaceWay2009]

okay dunst looks like she is on cack now but I don't care what anyone says in SM1 one she was hot and looked like MJ. oh wherefore is THAT dunst? I suspect hiding in the same place as jennifer connelly's boobs.I agree. In SM1, I thought she looked great. In two, she was okay, and in three, she was kind of annoying.

[gtkilla]

I agree. In SM1, I thought she looked great. In two, she was okay, and in three, she was kind of annoying.

She was very pretty in SM1, ugly in SM2, and in between in SM3. They should just rehire the makeup artists from SM1. The entire cast looked better in that movie than any of the others.

[venom892]

Kristen was ok in 1 and in 2 and 3 she looked nothing like MJ.MJ is a great character and they really haven't gotten MJ right yet.I hope in the furture someone does.

[chaseter]

Bleh to Dunst being back. With that news, this needs to be the last film from the current cast.

Dunst said she didn't want to come back and do this again and she is no way MJ in any form so I don't like her in these movies. I would have been fine if they recasted her like they did with TDK and Rachel's character. Nobody gave a flip.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Bleh to Dunst being back. With that news, this needs to be the last film from the current cast.

Dunst said she didn't want to come back and do this again and she is no way MJ in any form so I don't like her in these movies. I would have been fine if they recasted her like they did with TDK and Rachel's character. Nobody gave a flip.

Like it or not Kate Holmes was only in one movie, Dunst was on three, it's not exactly the same thing.

[JerseyJoker]

People asking for a recast/reboot are complete idiots. Easy as that.

[Project862006]

exactly why would you recast a character who is a huge part of the spiderman character who has been in the past 3 films

this is like Nolan recasting Michael caine lolol

continuity would be ruined and would ruin the film imo

[Nathan]

exactly why would you recast a character who is a huge part of the spiderman character who has been in the past 3 films

this is like Nolan recasting Michael caine lolol

continuity would be ruined and would ruin the film imo

The Bond franchise manages to be just fine with the whole re-casting. And I see no problem with re-casting if you can get better actors. Which shouldn't be much of a problem since neither Kirsten nor Tobey were all that amazing. IMO they're the weakest characters in the Movies and easily get outshined by every villain that has been in the movies. Both are just so, boring and bland, and Dafoe, Molina, Grace, they all seemed full of life.

And while we're at it, get a new director too. Reading Raimi say that he'll stay true to himself made me anything but excited. That only means more awkward Peter moments, MJ as a damsel in distress, more romantic nonsense.

So far the only reasons to watch the Movies is because of the awesome fights and villain performances. But I'd also like to watch a Movie with a accurate MJ and Peter Parker.

[Closerframe]

The Bond franchise manages to be just fine with the whole re-casting. And I see no problem with re-casting if you can get better actors. Which shouldn't be much of a problem since neither Kirsten nor Tobey were all that amazing. IMO they're the weakest characters in the Movies and easily get outshined by every villain that has been in the movies. Both are just so, boring and bland, and Dafoe, Molina, Grace, they all seemed full of life.


But the difference between Bond and Spider-Man is that the Bond series never has a continuous storyline with each Bond film they don't pick up where the last left up nor do they make references to any past occurrences. Quantum of Solace was the only sequel to ever be in the Bond franchise and it kept the same Bond (Craig). A complete recast would only work if they started with an entire new Spider-Man story and took it into another direction which wouldn't make sense given this is part 4.

Another thing is that just because you find better actors that doesn't mean the film will be good because trust me story and dialogue comes before actual casting. Batman Forever is a perfect example of a movie with good actors, but still a terrible movie.

[The Joker]

The Bond franchise manages to be just fine with the whole re-casting. And I see no problem with re-casting if you can get better actors. Which shouldn't be much of a problem since neither Kirsten nor Tobey were all that amazing. IMO they're the weakest characters in the Movies and easily get outshined by every villain that has been in the movies. Both are just so, boring and bland, and Dafoe, Molina, Grace, they all seemed full of life.

And while we're at it, get a new director too. Reading Raimi say that he'll stay true to himself made me anything but excited. That only means more awkward Peter moments, MJ as a damsel in distress, more romantic nonsense.

So far the only reasons to watch the Movies is because of the awesome fights and villain performances. But I'd also like to watch a Movie with a accurate MJ and Peter Parker.

I agree with this :up:

[Parker Wayne]

exactly why would you recast a character who is a huge part of the spiderman character who has been in the past 3 films

this is like Nolan recasting Michael caine lolol

continuity would be ruined and would ruin the film imo

Well maybe except you'd probably be upgrading instead of downgrading. Can't really compare Dunst to the irreplaceable Michael Caine.

[Milu]

Michael Caine for Mary Jane plz.

[DACrowe]

I tend to :whatever: when anyone says Tobey is not that good or the weakest link. All the movies, especially SM2 (everyone's favorite) is built around him. All the other characters, including the villains, are secondary to revolving around his arc. He gives a genuine and likable enough of a performance and makes his pain so engaging that people loved his character and went to the first movie in flocks and gave it great WOM. See what the critics say about him in SM2, even doubters like Ebert.

You may not think he plays the character how you envision him well, but he is a great asset to these movies.

[mclay18]

I actually like that she's back for SM-4 -- nothing irritates me more than recasting and/or writing a key character out completely because the actor refused to come back. Hopefully Raimi and Abaire will make MJ a more active yet less annoying character in the fourth movie.

It's rather nice to get back almost all the familiar faces for four movies straight -- Raimi, Maguire and Dunst -- even if the third movie was chock full of problems.

[Dog Logan]

I tend to :whatever: when anyone says Tobey is not that good or the weakest link. All the movies, especially SM2 (everyone's favorite) is built around him. All the other characters, including the villains, are secondary to revolving around his arc. He gives a genuine and likable enough of a performance and makes his pain so engaging that people loved his character and went to the first movie in flocks and gave it great WOM. See what the critics say about him in SM2, even doubters like Ebert.

You may not think he plays the character how you envision him well, but he is a great asset to these movies.

Lol, saying Tobey is the weak link is by far the most untrue statement I've heard towards these movies. Tobey is never off his game. Even in SM-3, while it didn't live up to the first two, his performance was very well done. He was great at showing the built up angst in Peter, the sadness, the happy go lucky side, etc. Tobey has NEVER been a weak link in these movies.

[Spidey 2007]

I actually like that she's back for SM-4 -- nothing irritates me more than recasting and/or writing a key character out completely because the actor refused to come back. Hopefully Raimi and Abaire will make MJ a more active yet less annoying character in the fourth movie.

It's rather nice to get back almost all the familiar faces for four movies straight -- Raimi, Maguire and Dunst -- even if the third movie was chock full of problems.

exactly how i feel. :up:

[Dog Logan]

That's the only feeling that made me want Dunst to return. For some reason I have a good feeling about her return. Initially when we didn't know if she was returning I was totally skeptical, but am now looking forward to seeing what she brings to the table. I hope she can look like this again:

http://www.aolcdn.com/channels/02/01/4607fc22-001c9-025cf-400cb8e1

Ahh.....the good old days when I would go google eyes over Kirsten.

[Project862006]

exactly and imo the spidey films have never been about the great acting the acting doesn't suck of course it just wasn't its main focus. It was more worried about the story and its themes aswell as kick ass fight scenes i also care more about continuity than a better actress.

[Dog Logan]

Any movie should strive to have great acting, and thus far all three movies have had that. In the first movie we had Willem Dafoe as the GG & Tobey was on top of his game, as he was for the next two movies, and then we had Alfred Molina for part two, then Thomas Haden Church for part 3. All three delivered great performances. However, Raimi sort of dropped the ball with what could've been done with James Franco as New Goblin.

[TomPiltoff]

I am very relieved to hear she's returning. It'd be too awkward seeing the same Spider-Man with a new MJ.

And Kirsten can be good when directed well. It seems like Raimi is really determined to make up for Spidey 3, I'm sure he'll get what he needs out of his actors.

I wouldn't ask she be nominated for an Oscar, but I thought she was fine in 1 & 2.

[Dog Logan]

She was great in the first two, but in the third it seems like she wasn't trying as hard. But, I have a strong feeling she'll turn that around this time.

[chaseter]

People asking for a recast/reboot are complete idiots. Easy as that.
I think people who call other people names are well...idiots:o

[chaseter]

Like it or not Kate Holmes was only in one movie, Dunst was on three, it's not exactly the same thing.
Dunst has said she was done with Spider-Man. She does not like to play MJ. The only reason she comes back is because she gets casted in crappy movies. I guarantee you that if she was in a big film after her contract ran out, she would not return. Dunst is a tool. Tobey is a good guy and I admire him returning but I don't want Dunst and MJ in the same movie ever again. This will be the last movie from the current cast anyways so we will either get a reboot or the series will continue with a new cast where this one left off.

[spider-neil]

That's the only feeling that made me want Dunst to return. For some reason I have a good feeling about her return. Initially when we didn't know if she was returning I was totally skeptical, but am now looking forward to seeing what she brings to the table. I hope she can look like this again:

http://www.aolcdn.com/channels/02/01/4607fc22-001c9-025cf-400cb8e1

Ahh.....the good old days when I would go google eyes over Kirsten.

she was HOT in SM1. its like THAT dunst has been abducted by aliens and replaced with a crack addict dunst.

[spider-neil]

there is a HUGE difference recasting the bond cast and recasting the spider-man cast. for one the spider-man cast are part of a BILLION dollar franchise.

[shiveringmelody]

I have not cared for Dunst as MJ the entire series (so far). While I don't consider her to be ugly or anything, she just doesn't appear as MJ to me.

I say less of Dunst's MJ and more of Bryce's Gwen. For some reason I been wanting to see MJ killed and Peter ends up with Gwen in these movies (opposite of the comics). Just who could finally do MJ in?

[Nathan]

Makes no differents. If you can get better suited actors, you should get them. If people already like Tobey's bland performance imagine how nuts people would get if we had someone who actually sounds confident when he speaks and has the proper characterisation.

[spider-neil]

Makes no differents. If you can get better suited actors, you should get them. If people already like Tobey's bland performance imagine how nuts people would get if we had someone who actually sounds confident when he speaks and has the proper characterisation.


when I read lee/ditko peter doesn't come across as a confident character, well at least not to me.

[mclay18]

Dunst has said she was done with Spider-Man. She does not like to play MJ. The only reason she comes back is because she gets casted in crappy movies. I guarantee you that if she was in a big film after her contract ran out, she would not return. Dunst is a tool.

That's awfully harsh. When Dunst signed on to do the first Spider-Man movie, she and Tobey signed three-picture deals. So if she didn't like the scripts for the second and third pics, she'd have to do it anyway or force being sued by Sony for breach of contract. And I think she did the movies just to have fun and to have something to fund her smaller projects in between (Mona Lisa Smile and Marie Antoinette, anyone?).

Now that she has a new contract for SM-4, maybe Sony told her the story for the fourth pic and she liked it -- hence her return. I do think her return was pivoted on working with Raimi and Maguire again, and she could use the cash

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

That's awfully harsh. When Dunst signed on to do the first Spider-Man movie, she and Tobey signed three-picture deals. So if she didn't like the scripts for the second and third pics, she'd have to do it anyway or force being sued by Sony for breach of contract. And I think she did the movies just to have fun and to have something to fund her smaller projects in between (Mona Lisa Smile and Marie Antoinette, anyone?).

Now that she has a new contract for SM-4, maybe Sony told her the story for the fourth pic and she liked it -- hence her return. I do think her return was pivoted on working with Raimi and Maguire again, and she could use the cash

Completely agree...

I actually think that she is a pretty good actress regardless.

[EHTNAMTAB]

New York, Times Square, City that never sleeps

I'm thinking Electro

[luke1234]

Now that shes back, she may spill the beans on some plot details. Looking forward to future interviews.

[SpeterMan3]

:facepalm

[Parker Wayne]

Haha you're going to be pretty disappointed.

[Ol'Canucklehead]

Haha you're going to be pretty disappointed.





.........I know :dry:

[chaseter]

I am all for 2,3,4, and 10:o

[chaseter]

That's awfully harsh. When Dunst signed on to do the first Spider-Man movie, she and Tobey signed three-picture deals. So if she didn't like the scripts for the second and third pics, she'd have to do it anyway or force being sued by Sony for breach of contract. And I think she did the movies just to have fun and to have something to fund her smaller projects in between (Mona Lisa Smile and Marie Antoinette, anyone?).

Now that she has a new contract for SM-4, maybe Sony told her the story for the fourth pic and she liked it -- hence her return. I do think her return was pivoted on working with Raimi and Maguire again, and she could use the cash
Do you not remember all the crap she caused after SM2? She didn't want to be remembered as MJ. She didn't want to go down in history as her biggest work being in a superhero movie. But, she comes crawling back to do SM3, which ironically caused most fans of the series to hate her even more. She is no where near what MJ is and should be and keeping dead weight in a series just because she was in the first 3 is a lame excuse. I want this movie to be the last with Tobey and Kirsten. Tobey is pretty old now anyways.

[HughJackFan420]

i for one am glad that Dunst is back on board. i hate when they change actors for characters in sequels. even though i never agreed to her casting since Spidey 1. i mean MJ in the comics is super hot and Kirsten Dunst is...well...eh

[SpaceWay2009]

LOL...That's funny!

[Venom 1988]

Now that shes back, she may spill the beans on some plot details. Looking forward to future interviews.

Only good thing about her return :up:

[Spiderine]

Of course she is on board. This is no surprise. She's not missing out on that huge paycheck.

[Dog Logan]

I am all for 2,3,4, and 10:o

I'm all for number 10 if I get to be first in line, and if number 2 is in order first. :o

[Parker Wayne]

i for one am glad that Dunst is back on board. i hate when they change actors for characters in sequels. even though i never agreed to her casting since Spidey 1. i mean MJ in the comics is super hot and Kirsten Dunst is...well...eh

I'll be honest though. While, I don't think Dunst is bad-looking, she's not Mary Jane, at all.

[TheVileOne]

I'm glad she's back. I'd rather have her back then re-cast the character or have to work in the lame Gwen Stacy we were forced to deal with.

If anything, it pisses off a bunch of idiot, sexist posters here. So that's good.

[SpeterMan3]

Opened up to my home page (Yahoo) and found this. Nothing new, just you know.. interesting.
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/access-hollywood-spider-man-4.html

[Milu]

She's actually said it twice (to Peter in both 1 and 2).

But yeah, wouldn't be opposed to hearing it more often :o .

[Spider-ManHero12]

New York, Times Square, City that never sleeps

I'm thinking Electro That's possible, if you ask me. Would be awesome, that's for sure.

[QWoods]

lmao this thread is funny

I agree with Kirsten gaining some wait and hopefully getting some curves like Megan Fox did for Transformers.

[TheVileOne]

You mean Megan Fox buying boobs right?

Good God.

[Dog Logan]

I'll be honest though. While, I don't think Dunst is bad-looking, she's not Mary Jane, at all.


She was great in the first movie, superb. Back then I'd have said she was the best love interest on film to date.

[SpeterMan3]

The "person" in the ad in the bottom right corner reminds me of Kirsten.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/SpeterMan3/thc.jpg

[TheSlag]

With the announcement that Snaggle Tooth...errr.. Flappy Jacks... errr.. Kirsten is back as MJ (GweMJ*cough*)... I truely fear for SM4 and the franchise as a whole.

Assuming, that Kirsten was actually "wooed" back as having an intricate role in SM4, and NOT simply coming back for the Cashcow Paycheck that is SM4 for her. And a BIG ASSUMPTION that is too.

But assuming it is true, that Kirsten has an intricate role in SM4, I fear. I fear because that means MORE all about "that girl". More at the expensive of Dr. Connors and the Connors Clan's development. Especially the development when it comes to Peter, as his adopted family he never truely had.

I fear that MJ's role in the film will once again give us a watered down villain and the villains Alter-ego. I fear it will once again, give us more emo Peter, or Saturday Night Peter (staying alive.. strutting his stuff), or pouty/crying face Peter.. over MJ and his/their relationship.

SHEEESH.. has Raimi even read one comic??? Just ONE???

I fear storyline will be sacrificed to satisfy the OVER inflated ego on one Kirsten (Snaggle Flappy :cwink:) Dunst.

The ONLY storyline that MJ could add to significantly, that would not simply be another spin/reshash of the WB dramatics we have seen in SM1-SM3 with Peter/MJ is.... Dare I Dream... MJ's death (in place of Gwen's death in this perverse timeline Raimi has spun). And of course... NOT at the hands of a Goblin either.. so much for the "Goblin Legacy". (Pity)

But I can only IMAGINE the crying that would come on these boards IF the "precious" MJ were to die, instead of Gwen. So... I DOUBT SERIOUSLY that Raimi has the balls, nor the will.. to be "Dragged to Hell" by the fans if he DARES to follow such a storyline (pun intended).

So... get our your WB "hankies" my fans... Good Times are here AGAIN (*NOT*)... with the signing of our BELOVED Snaggle...errr.. Flappy... errrr... Kirsten... to the "hollow"ed :cwink: role of GweMJ...errrr.. MJ.

And by the way Kirsten.. I will NOT hold my breath waiting on my Christmas Card from you this year. :woot:

[The Joker]

Ah Slag, I sincerely hope you're around for the duration of this. Need at least one of the old school around here.

[Eggyman]

I love me some slag. Nice post.

[Ol'Canucklehead]

My post was removed? What a joke. There just really isn't a single mod on these boards that has anything resembling a sense of humor is there?

[Nathan]

Are you really surprised?

[Ol'Canucklehead]

In all honestly, no. There has been a serious gestapo feel to these boards for a while now. You can't even sneeze without mod approval.

[Nathan]

Actually I meant if you were surprised that your tasteless post got removed. I admit certain mods got recently a little more uptight than usual, but that post of yours was unnecessary.

[Reikowolf]

With the announcement that Snaggle Tooth...errr.. Flappy Jacks... errr.. Kirsten is back as MJ (GweMJ*cough*)... I truely fear for SM4 and the franchise as a whole.

Assuming, that Kirsten was actually "wooed" back as having an intricate role in SM4, and NOT simply coming back for the Cashcow Paycheck that is SM4 for her. And a BIG ASSUMPTION that is too.

But assuming it is true, that Kirsten has an intricate role in SM4, I fear. I fear because that means MORE all about "that girl". More at the expensive of Dr. Connors and the Connors Clan's development. Especially the development when it comes to Peter, as his adopted family he never truely had.

I fear that MJ's role in the film will once again give us a watered down villain and the villains Alter-ego. I fear it will once again, give us more emo Peter, or Saturday Night Peter (staying alive.. strutting his stuff), or pouty/crying face Peter.. over MJ and his/their relationship.

SHEEESH.. has Raimi even read one comic??? Just ONE???

I fear storyline will be sacrificed to satisfy the OVER inflated ego on one Kirsten (Snaggle Flappy :cwink:) Dunst.

The ONLY storyline that MJ could add to significantly, that would not simply be another spin/reshash of the WB dramatics we have seen in SM1-SM3 with Peter/MJ is.... Dare I Dream... MJ's death (in place of Gwen's death in this perverse timeline Raimi has spun). And of course... NOT at the hands of a Goblin either.. so much for the "Goblin Legacy". (Pity)

But I can only IMAGINE the crying that would come on these boards IF the "precious" MJ were to die, instead of Gwen. So... I DOUBT SERIOUSLY that Raimi has the balls, nor the will.. to be "Dragged to Hell" by the fans if he DARES to follow such a storyline (pun intended).

So... get our your WB "hankies" my fans... Good Times are here AGAIN (*NOT*)... with the signing of our BELOVED Snaggle...errr.. Flappy... errrr... Kirsten... to the "hollow"ed :cwink: role of GweMJ...errrr.. MJ.

And by the way Kirsten.. I will NOT hold my breath waiting on my Christmas Card from you this year. :woot:


How can you be worried for the franchise if you've panned all the films thus far?

[Reikowolf]

In all honestly, no. There has been a serious gestapo feel to these boards for a while now. You can't even sneeze without mod approval.

*Ah-choo*

[Ol'Canucklehead]

Tasteless? Unnecessary? Its was a joke! It was one big joke! Has everyone lost their sense of humor? Lemme get this straight.... You can't make a sex joke anymore? Not even one that was actually commented on as being funny by the majority of the posters who read it?

Its thanks to people like you who think that its ok to tell people what is tasteless and unnecessary and report posts for no reason other than their own screwed up sense of "morality", which is primarily based in telling others that they're "bad" so you yourself can feel better.

[Nathan]

I don't report, I ignore. And my list is about to grow.

[Ol'Canucklehead]

Your the one who started talking to me pal, don't trip over your own ignorance. Put me on your ignore, stop talking to me all together, I don't care. People like you are the reason why these boards have been going straight to hell.

[HHHDan]

Although I object to Dr. Octopus returning due to thematic reasons (as well as ruining Spider-Man 2's excellent closure to his character arc), under no circumstances should anyone EVER have "amnesia" in order to find a lazy route around plot obstacles. Spider-Man 3 did this..and it was ultimately, I think most would agree, the weakest developed plot line in the film.

Not a bad point, I'll concede. However the worse part of spider-man 3 was not that: It was putting in Venom while having no idea who and what Venom truly is; and ruining the character.

[Reikowolf]

Oh they have not.

Slag has been here as long as I have and although I don't agree with some of his opinions, he's always presented them with proper conduct.

If you find that you are being constantly censored, perhaps this is not the best forum for you to express your opinion. Or maybe you need to figure out a more diplomatic way of presenting your opinion.

There are completely uncensored sites like 4chan that allow for complete freedom of speach.

[TheVileOne]

What is speach? Like a fruit.

The board still has rules we have to abide by if we want to post here.

Posts like Slag's make me even happier if Dunst is coming back. Seeing Slag's anguish that is.

[Ol'Canucklehead]

I'm not talking about me specifically, I'm talking about the boards in general.

Don't give me the "These boards have rules" crap, because in most of the cases, including this one, these censorship have NOTHING to do with the rules.

[TheVileOne]

If you made some derogatory statement about Dunst, maybe they should've been censored.

A couple years ago, people were *****ing about her getting pregnant and ugly so she should be fired from Spider-man 3 because of some tabloid photos that were rumored to be her buying some medicine or something because of her pregnancy . . . that wasn't true.

[Reikowolf]

What is speach? Like a fruit.

The board still has rules we have to abide by if we want to post here.

Posts like Slag's make me even happier if Dunst is coming back. Seeing Slag's anguish that is.

mmmm speach

:)

[Reikowolf]

maybe sony pictures needs to write better contract stating tobey and kirsten have to stay in shape for the movie

[chaseter]

I agree. Tobey was in fantastic shape for 1 and in 3...he was just average. To me, that says that he is losing love for the character:o

[Reikowolf]

they can't say they aren't getting paid enough either.

[TheSlag]

How can you be worried for the franchise if you've panned all the films thus far?

Panned all the films thus far????? *Seriously Dude... Learn to Read :cwink:

I have always felt SM1 was the best of the bunch, even though I thought Doc Ock (in SM2) was the most visually thrilling villain ever on the big screen. And, I thought the fight scenes were outstanding in SM2. :up: A comic nerd's wet dream if you will, and I include myself in that.

Now, for those confused easily, just cause there were aspects of ALL the films that clearly disappointed me, does NOT mean I panned all the films. Heck, I even enjoyed SM3.

Overall though, I am disappointed with SM3 the most, because I think it had some very high potential for true greatness, and simply settled for popcorn fare (albeit.. entertaining popcorn fare at times).

Hope that "clears it up" for ya :cwink:

[TheSlag]

What is speach? Like a fruit.

The board still has rules we have to abide by if we want to post here.

Posts like Slag's make me even happier if Dunst is coming back. Seeing Slag's anguish that is.


I "aim" to please. *pulls out bow and arrow... Hmmm.. Snaggletooth or VileOne.. Decisions.. Decisions

[TheSlag]

Ah Slag, I sincerely hope you're around for the duration of this. Need at least one of the old school around here.

Here for the Duration Doc, Death March or not :cwink:

[TheFuture]

Trust me, people will appreciate who we pick, because it'll be a big part of New York."

I'm going to approach this from left field and say I wouldn't be surprised if it was Electro. I mean Electro as a villain can be a big part of New York in two ways.

Obviously the first way in which Electro could be a big part of New York would be his ability to control massive quantities of electricity; he can bring New York to a stand still.

Secondly I think New York would be a good setting for a normal blue collar guy, who wanted to be an electrical engineer but was told he wasn't intelligent enough so settled for a job lower on the ladder, who is involved in a tragic accident that turns him into a freak.

[Reikowolf]

Panned all the films thus far????? *Seriously Dude... Learn to Read :cwink:

I have always felt SM1 was the best of the bunch, even though I thought Doc Ock (in SM2) was the most visually thrilling villain ever on the big screen. And, I thought the fight scenes were outstanding in SM2. :up: A comic nerd's wet dream if you will, and I include myself in that.

Now, for those confused easily, just cause there were aspects of ALL the films that clearly disappointed me, does NOT mean I panned all the films. Heck, I even enjoyed SM3.

Overall though, I am disappointed with SM3 the most, because I think it had some very high potential for true greatness, and simply settled for popcorn fare (albeit.. entertaining popcorn fare at times).

Hope that "clears it up" for ya :cwink:


You should get that twitchy right eye checked out.

I'm saving this as it is literally the first time I have read you complimenting these movies.

hmmm, I recall back in the day there was someone who had said they were boycotting SM. For some reason i thought that might have been you, I'm trying to remember who it could have been now... that's going to bug me all day.

[FlawlessVictory]

Evan Rachel Wood Drops Out of Film to Star in Spider-Man

June 10, 2009
by:
Bridget Daly

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Evan Rachel Wood (http://www.hollyscoop.com/movies/evan-rachel-wood/625.aspx) is set to play Mary Jane Watson in the Broadway edition of Spider-Man. Hollyscoop first reported the news of the casting back in December.

But then scheduling conflicts got in the way for Evan, causing her to second guess her commitment to the Broadway show. But Moviefone has just confirmed that Evan is indeed on board as Mary Jane, and has pulled out of another movie to make things work. The website reports Wood has quit Zach Snyder’s Sucker Punch.

Evan also spoke with Sci Fi Wire about the upcoming Braoadway show, saying, "We're still looking for our Spider-Man, but it's going to be incredible. I just spoke with [director] Julie [Taymor] today, actually. It's going to be a crazy rock 'n' roll circus show. Julie's doing what she did with The Lion King to this: She's just taking it to a whole 'nother level."

Who could her co-star be?? They need a young important Hollywood actor (http://www.hollyscoop.com/movies/evan-rachel-wood/evan-rachel-wood-drops-out-of-film-to-star-in-spider-man_1543.aspx#)who can sing and act. They’d better not ask Zac Efron (http://www.hollyscoop.com/movies/zac-efron/112.aspx), because he’s over musicals. But maybe Chace Crawford (http://www.hollyscoop.com/movies/evan-rachel-wood/evan-rachel-wood-drops-out-of-film-to-star-in-spider-man_1543.aspx#)wouldn’t mind doing a Broadway stint after he’s done taking Zac’s leftovers in the Footloose remake!


http://www.hollyscoop.com/movies/evan-rachel-wood/evan-rachel-wood-drops-out-of-film-to-star-in-spider-man_1543.aspx