If Superman Returns was a huge hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing?

[Nightwing1983]

This may look like kind-of a silly post, but bear with me: sometimes people like to solve disputes regarding the direction the reboot should go in by noting something similar about the other person's idea and comparing it to Superman Returns and then, making it all about the film's commercial failure. To me, this misses the point, but now I'd like to ask the board a question. If Superman Returns was a hit, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? I'm talking about if it made a billion dollars and there was a sequel coming out this summer, would that be good or bad?

[dark_b]

i think if SR was a hit then there would be more SR fans.

i think some comic fans look at the BO a lot. like it tells them if a movie is good or not.


if SR was a hit it would be good IMO. we would get a superman villain so more action. a new superman is always good.

[KalMart]

Good because Supes fans would have a sequel and wouldn't feel left out of the party like they do now.

Bad because it would continue the story from Superman Returns.

[FilmNerdJamie]

*Sigh*

Any film that churns out $200 million can be safely labeled as "a hit" at the very least. The problem is the film only broke even in theatres and was projected to do a Helluva lot more by both the box-office analysts and WB's own people. That and audiences were "iffy" about the film.

Said it before (and I guess I'll have to say it again), Singer opting to do Valkyrie with an opposing studio during what was supposed to be his prep-time for the next Superman film is what ultimately started all the problems that led to no direct sequel to Returns happening.

Assuming it met (or exceeded) its box-office projections, it would have been a good thing...for the studio. Why? People want escapist entertainment now more than ever and a Superman sequel (yes even with Singer going all "Wrath of Khan") would have resulted in strong numbers. Plus, it would have faced no real competition in June save for the Transformers sequel and repeat business from Up and Star Trek.

[dark_b]

well at least TS will get a sequel




ohhhhh i forgot he he he he :hehe:

[Nightwing1983]

Good because Supes fans would have a sequel and wouldn't feel left out of the party like they do now.

Bad because it would continue the story from Superman Returns.

Well, I don't feel left out of the party, because I'm not concerned about the party. The fact that it would continue the story from SR makes the lack of sequel insignificant to me.

[KalMart]

I think some of the sentiment is that if SR had been a raging success, this inactivity...be it because of not wanting to continue or letting things fall to the wayside because of circumstances...could have been avoided, as there would be even more emphasis to get it out one way or another. They might not have let things hold them back as much, even if it meant going with another director, etc. Whatever the case, I'm glad...from a creative standpoint...that SR didn't continue. I'm certain there's a better direction to go with Supes, and I don't mind waiting. And even if there's never another Supes movie in my lifetime, I'll always have STM for what it was.

[KalMart]

Well, I don't feel left out of the party, because I'm not concerned about the party. The fact that it would continue the story from SR makes the lack of sequel insignificant to me.

So....how DO you feel about there being no Supes movie around now? Are you okay or indifferent about it?

[Nightwing1983]

So....how DO you feel about there being no Supes movie around now? Are you okay or indifferent about it?

Disappointed, but I'd gone 19 years without it before the film came out, and I could go another 19 years. After all, I was disappointed that there was no Superman films but plenty of scary rumors in 1997. I was even more disappointed when there was a Superman film in 2006 and certain rumors came true.

After all, the way I see it, I've got seventy-one years of stuff to tide me over.

[dark_b]

if you dont like SR and if you dont have a problem that after 20 years you still dint get a superman movie then i guess you dont need one.

[Nightwing1983]

if you dont like SR and if you dont have a problem that after 20 years you still dint get a superman movie then i guess you dont need one.

Right. But if they're going to make one, I would hope it would be along the lines of what I wanted. The reason I got so obsessed with a reboot is that I wanted to say, "hey, Superman is not what you see in this film." After the film started to become a distant memory, I began to lose that sense of urgency.

Yet, I'd still love to see one; I just feel that if takes the character somewhere he shouldn't be, it's not worth it, no matter how popular he becomes.

[dark_b]

i think it would not be worth it if it was like Catwoman or batman & robin. or dark like batman returns.
but the SR movie or sequel would not be so bad for the character.

[Nightwing1983]

Well, I think it would because of the kid, but I'm sure this board is more of a "sequel board" and that the overall climate here reflects a need to continue.

[BenReilly]

Personally, I think it's miracle that Superman Returns was even made.

[dark_b]

we need a miracle now.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It would be a bad thing to me because I didn't like the flick and I've always wanted a reboot.

I hate using that f**king word but what are ya going to do?

*Sigh*

Any film that churns out $200 million can be safely labeled as "a hit" at the very least. The problem is the film only broke even in theatres and was projected to do a Helluva lot more by both the box-office analysts and WB's own people. That and audiences were "iffy" about the film.

Said it before (and I guess I'll have to say it again), Singer opting to do Valkyrie with an opposing studio during what was supposed to be his prep-time for the next Superman film is what ultimately started all the problems that led to no direct sequel to Returns happening.

Assuming it met (or exceeded) its box-office projections, it would have been a good thing...for the studio. Why? People want escapist entertainment now more than ever and a Superman sequel (yes even with Singer going all "Wrath of Khan") would have resulted in strong numbers. Plus, it would have faced no real competition in June save for the Transformers sequel and repeat business from Up and Star Trek.I thank my lucky stars that Singer decided to bail on this franchise too. I know you and others will disagree and you know I'm not gloating or anything.

[FilmNerdJamie]

you know I'm not gloating or anything.

Absolutely.

[mego joe]

Right. But if they're going to make one, I would hope it would be along the lines of what I wanted. The reason I got so obsessed with a reboot is that I wanted to say, "hey, Superman is not what you see in this film." After the film started to become a distant memory, I began to lose that sense of urgency.

Yet, I'd still love to see one; I just feel that if takes the character somewhere he shouldn't be, it's not worth it, no matter how popular he becomes.

Agreed 100%.

[DChero]

I caught a little vagueness in your poll. Outside of having yes or no questions to a "good or bad" poll, you knew I'd catch you. The second option could almost become a debate in itself.

I personally enjoyed Superman Returns, but even if I didn't it wouldn't be due to money. I'd like to think that my perspective on a possible sequel would be strictly story and/or production based. The money just reflects the audience as a whole.

I'm extremely torn as to what I want in the next Superman movie. I liked most of the cast from Superman Returns, the production work, most of the story, etc, though I can also get interested in seeing an origin. The only time I'd be negative about a prospective idea is with a movie in which we jump in and have the feeling of "here's Superman fighting, we assumed you knew the rest." I hate when that's done. It seems like there are a lot of writers that don't respect the mentality of their audience.

I don't know, it's difficult when you want to take all of your favorite pieces and put them together, yet you can't because it probably wouldn't work within a strong story.

[dark_b]

i also like Bradon as superman. he looks like superman to me. so thats also a bad thing.

but i hope that the next actor will also be great.but i am not expecting an oscar winner or a reeve clone. i actual dont think that Brandon looked always like reeve.

[matrix_ghost]

Bad because it would continue the story from Superman Returns.

Truth

[Nightwing1983]

I'm extremely torn as to what I want in the next Superman movie. I liked most of the cast from Superman Returns, the production work, most of the story, etc, though I can also get interested in seeing an origin. The only time I'd be negative about a prospective idea is with a movie in which we jump in and have the feeling of "here's Superman fighting, we assumed you knew the rest." I hate when that's done. It seems like there are a lot of writers that don't respect the mentality of their audience.

Well, to me, I always felt that any sequel to the first two that would come out so many years later would be expected to fudge a few things, which was the main crux of what I wanted. I haven't ruled out a new origin, but if you can start from an X-factor of your choice, rather than starting from 0 or a number you find too high, then it's just more fun.

But as for the vagueness, well, it is vague, but it's not meant to be all-encompassing. It's really more a question of priorities. I wouldn't have even put in the third option, except I felt that it was germane to show how many people just wanted a normal sequel to the last film.

[DChero]

I guess what I'm essentially saying is that I don't want just one movie. If we are going to start over then I believe it would be best to start at the beginning and work our way out.

By simply jumping to the sequel to a new origin it seems like the writers are limiting themselves. As much as I didn't like his philosophy of the character, I do admire Mark Millar for thinking on more of a grand scale.

[Webhead2006]

Yea if its a new start we should see a new begining, middle, and end and not try and say hey this film is meant to go along with this film......

[NotFadeAway]

No character is in need of a reboot more than Superman.

Sorry Fantastic Four and Daredevil fans.

[Webhead2006]

Yea as much as i like ff/dd character i rather wait a few more yrs when fox loses the rights and it converts back to marvel studios fully.

[NotFadeAway]

Yea as much as i like ff/dd character i rather wait a few more yrs when fox loses the rights and it converts back to marvel studios fully.

Agreed.

As much as I really don't care for Daredevil personally, thats a hit waiting to happen if done correctly, and as long as Alexis Denisof is cast as Mr. Fantastic, I'll be pumped for a FF reboot.

For me, my favorite Marvel characters are Punisher, Captain America, Namor, and Deadpool. Deadpool is finally getting a solo flick, long overdue in my opinion. Captain America is finally getting a movie, and I do think that if someone would just step up and take a shot, Namor can be a big success. Superheroes and Atlantis can be audience provoking combination and it's a race between a well done Namor film or a well done Aquaman film, and I hope Namor beats Aquaman to the punch. One, I like Namor's personality and character more than Aquaman's, and two, as a middle finger to DC for never taking the Aquaman concept as a whole, taking it seriously, and making it the mega-success I feel it could have become over the years.

And I still hope The Punisher gets one more shot, if Marvel ever figures out that money can be made with live action television, The Punisher on Showtime or HBO could ge fangasmic. And the same holds true for Green Arrow on Showtime or HBO, if WB/DC is listening, which I'm sure there not because for the most part, douche bags. License some material out to New Line Cinema already.

[nintendo nerd]

No character is in need of a reboot more than Superman.

Sorry Fantastic Four and Daredevil fans.

You are funny :yay:

[Blackman]

I wouldnt mind an SR sequel except for 2 major things that happened in the story of SR
1. Bosworth as Lois Lane
2. The whole son of Superman thing


If they could have gotten rid of those then I wouldnt mind a sequel

[DavidTyler]

Agreed.

As much as I really don't care for Daredevil personally, thats a hit waiting to happen if done correctly, and as long as Alexis Denisof is cast as Mr. Fantastic, I'll be pumped for a FF reboot.

............................

I loved the Daredevil movie. Too many people have beaten it up because they have an irrational dislike of Ben Affleck. I felt he turned in a decent performance and wouldn't mind at all if he reprised the role. I'm more than a little worried how they might change the feel of the character if they reboot. In this film he was dark, conflicted, and human. Under another hand I'm worried that he'll become 'Captain Superhero'.

[RachelDawes]

Agreed.

As much as I really don't care for Daredevil personally, thats a hit waiting to happen if done correctly, and as long as Alexis Denisof is cast as Mr. Fantastic, I'll be pumped for a FF reboot.

For me, my favorite Marvel characters are Punisher, Captain America, Namor, and Deadpool. Deadpool is finally getting a solo flick, long overdue in my opinion. Captain America is finally getting a movie, and I do think that if someone would just step up and take a shot, Namor can be a big success. Superheroes and Atlantis can be audience provoking combination and it's a race between a well done Namor film or a well done Aquaman film, and I hope Namor beats Aquaman to the punch. One, I like Namor's personality and character more than Aquaman's, and two, as a middle finger to DC for never taking the Aquaman concept as a whole, taking it seriously, and making it the mega-success I feel it could have become over the years.

And I still hope The Punisher gets one more shot, if Marvel ever figures out that money can be made with live action television, The Punisher on Showtime or HBO could ge fangasmic. And the same holds true for Green Arrow on Showtime or HBO, if WB/DC is listening, which I'm sure there not because for the most part, douche bags. License some material out to New Line Cinema already.

I'd rather see Aquaman than Namor. Aquaman has some cool-looking villains and I heard Namor is a sillier character. Specifically, a poster said, "people who make fun of Aquaman would laugh their a**** off if they knew about Namor."

[bgshw44]

another homerun at the box office with WB and land of the lost...

[NotFadeAway]

I loved the Daredevil movie. Too many people have beaten it up because they have an irrational dislike of Ben Affleck. I felt he turned in a decent performance and wouldn't mind at all if he reprised the role. I'm more than a little worried how they might change the feel of the character if they reboot. In this film he was dark, conflicted, and human. Under another hand I'm worried that he'll become 'Captain Superhero'.

IMO, some things were done right in the first Daredevil, some things were horrible. And I like Ben Affleck. I didn't like the directing or that it was at times a music video.

[NotFadeAway]

I'd rather see Aquaman than Namor. Aquaman has some cool-looking villains and I heard Namor is a sillier character. Specifically, a poster said, "people who make fun of Aquaman would laugh their a**** off if they knew about Namor."

I disagree with Namor being sillier than Aquaman as a character. But, I do think Aquman has the better villians, the better back story, and the better Atlantis. I just like the way Namor is written as an idividual character. Like I said, I think Aquaman should be so much bigger than he is, DC has dropped the ball decade after decade.

[RachelDawes]

another homerun at the box office with WB and land of the lost...

Hmm...Showtime says WB wants Superman but doesn't need him, perhaps soon they will need the man in blue. :woot:

I disagree with Namor being sillier than Aquaman as a character. But, I do think Aquman has the better villians, the better back story, and the better Atlantis. I just like the way Namor is written as an idividual character. Like I said, I think Aquaman should be so much bigger than he is, DC has dropped the ball decade after decade.

That's enough for me to want an Aquaman movie, especially the villains, though I understand where you're coming from about preferring the character.

[dark_b]

if SR was a hit then the sequel would have an even bigger budget. but after the last years i am not afraid that WB would not spend a lot money on superman. they have the money and they will give it to the director.

[BATZARRO WWD]

Ha!. If that movie had been (more?)succesfull, and there's been a sequel, then I could have been disproven on the franchise having painted itself into a corner. Then again, that might mean they would have worked on the sequel to SR and not JLM/Watchmen(okay, maybe that last one would have gone on, anyway). Which means I never would have joined this forum looking for info on JLM. Why, I'd be at Scruffydragon.com looking for M.U.G.E.N. chars.

Then again, why wouln't they just pull ahead with a sequel to Returns when the time was ripe for it? They have to pay the director, anyway, what's the issue? I guess they felt "dark heroes are in, clean cut heroes are out". Wonder how that turned out...

[dark_b]

on the other side to writte something positive

at least it didnt bomb because then it would mean that the people dont have any interest in the character.

[GreenKToo]

I'm sure they'll be another Superman film but it's probably 5 yrs away at the least.
I have a feeling WB will go from one extreme to the next with the reboot. Careful what you ask for, you may just get it.

[dark_b]

I'm sure they'll be another Superman film but it's probably 5 yrs away at the least.
I have a feeling WB will go from one extreme to the next with the reboot. Careful what you ask for, you may just get it.
:wow:
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/129/timburtonsup09.jpg (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=timburtonsup09.jpg)

[FilmNerdJamie]

If anything, Watchmen doing business would have solidified the notion of "Let's make Superman dark because people want dark!" It's failure (along with the also-dark themed Terminator: Salvation) and the success of the "fun" Star Trek has averted that happening. Thankfully.

[GreenKToo]

If anything, Watchmen doing business would have solidified the notion of "Let's make Superman dark because people want dark!" It's failure (along with the also-dark themed Terminator: Salvation) and the success of the "fun" Star Trek has averted that happening. Thankfully.
I hope your right....because that would be my biggest fear, a burtonesque reboot.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If anything, Watchmen doing business would have solidified the notion of "Let's make Superman dark because people want dark!" It's failure (along with the also-dark themed Terminator: Salvation) and the success of the "fun" Star Trek has averted that happening. Thankfully.Exactly. Besides me liking the flick I love that Star Trek did well because it shows the studios that everything doesn't have to be dark. Hell Transformers and the Spider-Man movies already proved that theory to be bunk.

[wellsy]

In terms of certainty, I think people would have preffered it be either a big success or a big failure. As it stands financially and in terms of audience response, it was neither. Unlike BB, which had a huge audience response, Superman Returns came and left relatively quietly. As a reintroduction, that isn't exactly what one wants, and nor is it something any tentpole should be doing.

Still, I do like it, and would like to see a sequel to it. All that said (and with all things considered), I'd say that ship has sailed. And so here we lie, in the sea of indeterminancy, our course unknown, and our captian doing doughnuts in the big blue.

[Mostpowerful]

In terms of certainty, I think people would have preffered it be either a big success or a big failure. As it stands financially and in terms of audience response, it was neither. Unlike BB, which had a huge audience response, Superman Returns came and left relatively quietly. As a reintroduction, that isn't exactly what one wants, and nor is it something any tentpole should be doing.

.

No, it didn't. Unless you're talking about the online community.

[spider-neil]

bad thing as you would get superman returns 2

*shudder*

start from the ground up and for pity sake;
ENOUGH with lex as villian
ENOUGH with real estate scams
and for pity sake fricking give superman someone to HIT!!!

[GreenKToo]

After BB there was an interest in a sequel, especially after the DvD was released, and not just here either, but in the public as well. Otherwise, TDK wouldnt have happened.

We didnt, and arent, seeing that with SR. If we had of, we would be anticipating a sequel right now with or without Singer.

[NotFadeAway]

Exactly. Besides me liking the flick I love that Star Trek did well because it shows the studios that everything doesn't have to be dark. Hell Transformers and the Spider-Man movies already proved that theory to be bunk.

The tone of Star Trek would fit very well with a new Superman movie.

[NotFadeAway]

That's enough for me to want an Aquaman movie, especially the villains, though I understand where you're coming from about preferring the character.

A well done Aquaman movie would be better than a well done Namor movie, I won't argue that for a second. There is just a part of me that doesn't want to see WB/DC stumble upon making a good Aquaman movie out of spite. The Aquaman universe and character, imo, should have been and still should be a far bigger deal than it has ever been. The concept is AWESOME, it's a superhero King of Atlantis for crying out loud. Letting Aquaman be seen as a joke for so many years angers me.

[Hypestyle]

has anybody 'ever' seen the Millar script/pitch?

the love-child is the most problematic for me.. it would be horrible for him to die.. or perhaps worse for a One More Day reboot by Jor-El..

[Superark]

This thread feels like it belongs in the SR section. Man we need some news

[RachelDawes]

has anybody 'ever' seen the Millar script/pitch?

the love-child is the most problematic for me.. it would be horrible for him to die.. or perhaps worse for a One More Day reboot by Jor-El..

Are you talking about how some people wanted Jason to be killed in the sequel? Yeah, that would never fly in a Superman movie.

[wellsy]

After BB there was an interest in a sequel, especially after the DvD was released, and not just here either, but in the public as well. Otherwise, TDK wouldnt have happened.

We didnt, and arent, seeing that with SR. If we had of, we would be anticipating a sequel right now with or without Singer.
This is precisely what I mean MP. It wasn't expressed too well in my post, but that was exactly it. There was buzz for a sequel to TDK. There was none for SR.

That doesn't dampen my enjoyment of the film. But I don't speak for others. Much as I would like a sequel, most people just don't care. Those for and against are overwhelming minorities.

We aren't the community. We're not the GA. We're people with enough time on their hands to go on and on about a movie 3 years after its release. It's the GA and the water-cooler conversation that is the real determinant. TIH failed to set alight the GA, and yet the fan community was generally quite enamoured by it.

Don't overinflate our importance MP. We are but a very small, though very active minority of the studio's target audience.

Sorry for the OT post, but sometimes, I think we need reminding.

[dark_b]

This is precisely what I mean MP. It wasn't expressed too well in my post, but that was exactly it. There was buzz for a sequel to TDK. There was none for SR.

That doesn't dampen my enjoyment of the film. But I don't speak for others. Much as I would like a sequel, most people just don't care. Those for and against are overwhelming minorities.

We aren't the community. We're not the GA. We're people with enough time on their hands to go on and on about a movie 3 years after its release. It's the GA and the water-cooler conversation that is the real determinant. TIH failed to set alight the GA, and yet the fan community was generally quite enamoured by it.

Don't overinflate our importance MP. We are but a very small, though very active minority of the studio's target audience.

Sorry for the OT post, but sometimes, I think we need reminding.with all due respect. its 3 years after SR. and there was no official news for a sequel for 2 years now.
i remember that people wanted in 2006 and 2007 a sequel. now of course its quiet.

[GreenKToo]

A sequel is most likely out. I'm looking toward a reboot 3 or 4 yrs from now.
If its sooner than that, then great.

[Webhead2006]

Yea as others have said the longer there is no news, and when horn is gone from WB doing a direct sequel and having routh back for those who liked him has a less likely chance from happening. I would love if wb can get things straight within all the heads and what not and get a new film rolling in 2-3yrs but i wouldnt be surprised if we have to wait another 5-7 yrs with them.

[GreenKToo]

Hollywood is a fickle place. A guy could walk in tomorrow with a pitch they love and *BAM* it could be on, or it could be years from now before we know diddly squat.

[dark_b]

Hollywood is a fickle place. A guy could walk in tomorrow with a pitch they love and *BAM* it could be on, or it could be years from now before we know diddly squat.i think you are right.

i think the worst that could happen is that in 4 o r5 years WB has no tentpole movie and they throw out a rushed superman movie. but i guess things changed at WB?

they spend time on batman and they are trying with GL. but it scares me that Jamie said that he thinks that it maybe will not happen(i dont know the exact quote).

[Mostpowerful]

This is what Superman fans get for complaining Soo much. No movie at all.

WB probably don't know what to do to satisfy such demanding and skeptical fanbase, so they don't do anything.

They probably think, "Meh, they at at least have the exciting Smallville show to watch for a while".. :whatever: :(

[Nightwing1983]

This is what Superman fans get for complaining Soo much. No movie at all.

WB probably don't know what to do to satisfy such demanding and skeptical fanbase, so they don't do anything.

They probably think, "Meh, they at at least have the exciting Smallville show to watch for a while".. :whatever: :(

I think you're absolutely right; but as far as I'm concerned, it's still better than if they'd made a sequel to Superman Returns.

[Mostpowerful]

I think you're absolutely right; but as far as I'm concerned, it's still better than if they'd made a sequel to Superman Returns.

Well, I disagree with that.

An action-packed sequel would have worked just fine, IMO.

[SuperDaniel]

I'd rather wait 10 years than have a sequel to SR or another ****** movie.

[dark_b]

This is what Superman fans get for complaining Soo much. No movie at all.

WB probably don't know what to do to satisfy such demanding and skeptical fanbase, so they don't do anything.

They probably think, "Meh, they at at least have the exciting Smallville show to watch for a while".. :whatever: :(please you can not be serious. that WB wouldnt make a superman movie because of the fans? because we complained ?

and why did you mentione smallville? really?

[Showtime]

This is what Superman fans get for complaining Soo much. No movie at all.

WB probably don't know what to do to satisfy such demanding and skeptical fanbase, so they don't do anything.

They probably think, "Meh, they at at least have the exciting Smallville show to watch for a while".. :whatever: :(

No and no.

WB wants to get this one right because there is a lot of money and jobs on the line.

Fans shouldn't settle, they should always want more and something bigger and better. Whether it had been a sequel or a reboot, we should all be demanding as close to perfection as possible or else what is the point of being a fan?

[FilmNerdJamie]

has anybody 'ever' seen the Millar script/pitch?

Millar has told any-and-every one with a set of ears (on multiple occasions including this (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=23521) one) about his Superman film trilogy that was so amazing and mind-bogglingly incredible that WB won't touch it with a 10 ft. pole.

This is what Superman fans get for complaining Soo much. No movie at all.

WB probably don't know what to do to satisfy such demanding and skeptical fanbase, so they don't do anything.

They probably think, "Meh, they at at least have the exciting Smallville show to watch for a while".. :whatever: :(

Ok, folks. It's not about trying to "unite" the hard-core fanbase because they frankly don't matter. Most of those irate moron fan-boys who claim they'll refuse to see the film if Welling isn't Superman, Routh doesn't return, etc. are full of ****. They'll go see it.

WB, Sony & Co. went out of their way to garner "nerd cred" for Terminator: Salvation and it meant absolutely dick. The film failed at the box-office. And don't give me this "Oh, but the foreign numbers will save it!" excuse. On the other hand, Paramount, Abrams & Co. made it a point to make Star Trek something that played to everyone (i.e. young, old, fans, non-fans, etc.) and they succeeded in spades.

As long as they make a Superman film that the general public will flock to see, they're good to go.

^What that dude said...

[dark_b]

you talked what you would like in a sequel to TDK on the podcast thinkmcflythink.
will you do one with superman? would be interesting to see what you want.

maybe add some new inside info he he he :)

[mego joe]

I think you're absolutely right; but as far as I'm concerned, it's still better than if they'd made a sequel to Superman Returns.

We'd be even better off if they'd never have made Superman Returns.

[dark_b]

We'd be even better off if they'd never have made Superman Returns.arent they saying that we should not ignroe the past? but learn from it?
what happened in the past should people help to understand better the future and not make the same mistakes.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

arent they saying that we should not ignroe the past? but learn from it?
what happened in the past should people help to understand better the future and not make the same mistakes.Usually I'd agree with that saying but not in this case.

[GreenKToo]

you talked what you would like in a sequel to TDK on the podcast thinkmcflythink.
will you do one with superman? would be interesting to see what you want.

maybe add some new inside info he he he :)
I'd love to hear it as well. I think most of us want to see the same thing. A superman film with a supervillain, knockdown drag out fight(s), buildings collapseing from the impacts, half of Metropolis in ruins, and of course a good story, but that goes without saying.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

This is what Superman fans get for complaining Soo much. No movie at all.

WB probably don't know what to do to satisfy such demanding and skeptical fanbase, so they don't do anything.

They probably think, "Meh, they at at least have the exciting Smallville show to watch for a while".. :whatever: :(

You honestly think WB cares all that much about the fans...

They want money and a strong franchise... nothing else... They could have Superman brutally murder Lois in the movies and if it made enough money, they wouldn't give a damn what you or the fan community thought.*

DC Comics is the only lease for Warner Bros.

*Disclaimer: May be slightly exaggerated!

[Nightwing1983]

You honestly think WB cares all that much about the fans...

They want money and a strong franchise... nothing else... They could have Superman brutally murder Lois in the movies and if it made enough money, they wouldn't give a damn what you or the fan community thought.*

DC Comics is the only lease for Warner Bros.

*Disclaimer: May be slightly exaggerated!

Well that's at the crux of this problem. The question is, at the end of the day, how much we care if they make money; and what we're willing to accept as changes to the character.

[DChero]

What they are probably getting, for the most part, is that hardcore fans want as little altered as possible from source material. Bringing in someone that has a grand plan to take the character "to the next level" probably would offend as much as they satisfy.

I'm all for a sequel, but I'm not so close-minded as to protest a fresh start. In the end, we all want a great Superman movie.

[Sam]

This is what Superman fans get for complaining Soo much. No movie at all.

WB probably don't know what to do to satisfy such demanding and skeptical fanbase, so they don't do anything.

They probably think, "Meh, they at at least have the exciting Smallville show to watch for a while".. :whatever: :(

Sure, lets blame fans for bad decisions took by an incompetent company!

Yay!

[Nightwing1983]

What they are probably getting, for the most part, is that hardcore fans want as little altered as possible from source material. Bringing in someone that has a grand plan to take the character "to the next level" probably would offend as much as they satisfy.

I'm all for a sequel, but I'm not so close-minded as to protest a fresh start. In the end, we all want a great Superman movie.

The only thing I'm closed-minded enough to protest is a direct sequel to Superman Returns. But if they make it, there's not much I can do. I can sit here and play Warners Exec or Screenwriter; but it ain't gonna happen, so I might as well sit back an accept that if it happens.