Molina Says He's Interested Returning As Ock

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

No stranger to the comic book world with his role as Spidey’s nemesis Doctor Octopus in “Spider-Man 2” (and voice roles in both the “Wonder Woman” animated movie and “Justice League” cartoon), actor Alfred Molina said he’d love to reprise his role as the wall-crawler’s tentacled enemy in future films — if he can just get past the whole “dead character” thing.

“No one’s mentioned it, and I think it’s highly unlikely, seeing as he died,” Molina told MTV News during a press event for his upcoming film “The Sorcerer’s Apprentice” when asked if there was any talk of him returning to terrorize Peter Parker. “[But] at the ‘Spider-Man 2′ premiere in London, I turned around to one of the producers and said, ‘It’s a real shame that I died, because I would’ve loved to do another one of these.’ And he said, ‘Oh, characters don’t die in this universe, they just disappear.’”

And as any comics fan will tell you, that statement has proven true time and time again in the pages of nearly every long-running series. So, while it’s certainly a remote possibility, the fact that “Spider-Man 2″ is widely regarded as one of the best films in the franchise could mean a return appearance for Doc Ock isn’t entirely out of the question.

So, in the absence of his return to the franchise, however, who else would Molina like to see take on our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man?

“There were so many wonderful villains in Spider-Man stories,” said Molina. “Venom was a great character, and I’m not biased, but I thought Doc Ock was a brilliant character in the comics, too.”

“The only thing I’d like to see is to concentrate on one villain,” he added. “Having two or three of them sort of dilutes the potency of it.”

Pondering the possibilities, Molina quickly back-tracked on his original suggestions, saying, “it would be nice to see a female villain.”

“Yeah, that might be nice,” he said.

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[[A]]

Good for him. Does he still think these movies are just for kids..?

[NewYorkSpider]

Molina was great as Ock. It would be nice to see him return as a villian.

[American_Hobo]

cameo would be nice, but nothing more than that.

[chaseter]

If you are going to bring him back, a cameo would be a complete waste:o

[American_Hobo]

Well then dont bring him back at all I guess.
I want to see fresh new villains, not the ones we've seen already.
There's no point on Ock returning. (Except for Sinister Six, but I dont see it happening)

[NewYorkSpider]

I think bringing Ock back for #4 with the Lizard would be HUGE. It would certainly hype up the movie for those who enjoyed SM2. It could also create a good story with Connors/Octavius being friends. I could care less about getting 2 new villains. I just want an epic Spider-Man movie that everyone can enjoy. I'm all for Doc Ock returning in the next movie.

[Joker]

“The only thing I’d like to see is to concentrate on one villain,” he added. “Having two or three of them sort of dilutes the potency of it.”

Hint hint about what he thought of Spider-Man 3.

I'd love to see Molina come back in some form in a future Spidey flick. He's the best Spidey villain so far in this franchise. But I seriously doubt he's going to be in Spider-Man 4.

[chiefchirpa]

Sinister Six?

Doc Ock
....

[FaT_tONle]

I love the idea of Sinister Six... but I don't think this current franchise will last until SM6, which is when the S6 would be ideal. Plus the actors would be way too old by then. That's why it would have to be a cameo if he returns in SM4. Maybe an after credit scene hinting and Doc Ock's return in the future.

[Venom'sDad]

Who says that the Sinister Six has to come in Spidey 6? I understand the parallels of it all; but come on, if Sony believe the time is now and the profits may be right, they woulod do it in Spidey 4 or 5. They are not going to wait if they feel they can make money... nothing is certain.

Who thought at the end of Spidey 2 that Venom would be there. Yes, most felt that they would just introduce Eddie Brock, and set him up similar to Dr. Curt Connors, as a future villain. Yet we saw how eager Avi, Laura, and Sony was to bring him on board. Don't assume what those in the boardroom will do.

As far as DocOck, unless they are setting him up for a return, than I'm cool with the hints & cameo. Otherwise just let him be.

[FaT_tONle]

I am saying set him up to return in the next set of films that loosely follow this current series if at all. Even if they were doing 4-5 back to back, which it appears they aren't at the moment, the only villains we have right now are Sandman and Ock. I don't think they will be able to set up enough guys in time if they do it that soon. The only way it would work is you do 5-6 back to back almost immediately after SM4. Aim for a 2013-2014 release. Setup Ock at the end of five. For that to happen, I think SM4 would need to gross almost as much as SM1 so I don't see that happening. But I do think Ock could return as a fan nod or tease even though we won't see him as a main character again.

[SpaceWay2009]

I don't know if Doc Ock should return. Like someone else said, I rather see fresh, new villains.

[Dark Knight90!]

;17054994']Good for him. Does he still think these movies are just for kids..?

Huh?

When did he imply that?

[CalebYourMaster]

gosh id love for him to come back...itd be nice to see spidey versus doc ock again!
i loved those fights

[Metal Spidey]

Sure Mr. Molina we'll bring you back and we'll also give Norman and Harry a special Goblin Serum so they can return too. Woo hoo!:bh: http://www.naughtydog.com/crash/crash/images/crashback.gif:bh:

[Spider-ManHero12]

As I said in the Doc Ock's Lair thread, this is just awesome! Molina really does rock. :up:

[protocida]

The tentacles rebooted moments after he sank and led him to safety. He spend the whole time hidden in an warehouse, healing, while the tentacles poisoned his mind more and more.

[CalebYourMaster]

yo proto...that sounds like itd be an amazing way to bring him back!!!

[protocida]

Thanks. :yay:

[FaT_tONle]

Doc needs to come back fully in control of his tentacles. No more of this mind control ****...

[Grievous]

The whole point of Ock killing himself was so he would not die a monster. As he worded it, having him come back to be evil again after what he did would be stupid IMO.

[bullets]

The tentacles rebooted moments after he sank and led him to safety. He spend the whole time hidden in an warehouse, healing, while the tentacles poisoned his mind more and more.


works for me. He could come back and lead the sinister six for parts 5 and six.

[Venom'sDad]

The tentacles rebooted moments after he sank and led him to safety. He spend the whole time hidden in an warehouse, healing, while the tentacles poisoned his mind more and more.

That kinda takes away from who he really is don't you think... him still being controled by his own creation.

[protocida]

Without that, he's a good guy.

[Venom'sDad]

^ Well this is the corner Sam back himself in and why I'm so disappointed in the way he approach these films. Because either he's controlled by the tentacles or he has some form of amnesia. Either way, it's not DocOck. A prime example that Sam really don't understand these characters.

[Joker]

Or give him brain damage like in the comics.

Octavius was shown that he was irrational and violent when it came to his fusion project. In the demonstration scene, he refused to shut it down despite all the dangers it was causing. And when Spidey tried to inplug it, Otto viciously smashed him into the wall.

[Adrian89]

No need to bring him back.

[SpeterMan3]

I think bringing Ock back for #4 with the Lizard would be HUGE. It would certainly hype up the movie for those who enjoyed SM2. It could also create a good story with Connors/Octavius being friends. I could care less about getting 2 new villains. I just want an epic Spider-Man movie that everyone can enjoy. I'm all for Doc Ock returning in the next movie.
If they do anything like this, they could have Molina in only flashbacks, to avoid the whole... he was dead thing.

[SpeterMan3]

You know, I never understood why they had Doctor Octopus drown. Lol, it's just so ironic...

[nintendo nerd]

works for me. He could come back and lead the sinister six for parts 5 and six.

Now I understand why you like Terminator Salvation. :whatever:

[bullets]

Now I understand why you like Terminator Salvation. :whatever:


I'm not the first person to say it. Why does everything have to be about Terminator Salvation , let it go.

[NewYorkSpider]

If they do anything like this, they could have Molina in only flashbacks, to avoid the whole... he was dead thing.

It would also be interesting if Mysterio was in SM4 and was creating illusions of Doc Ock to mess with Spider-Man. It would go good along with New Yorkers saying they're seeing something in the sewers.

[Jick09]

Now I understand why you like Terminator Salvation. :whatever:I loved the movie. It doesn't mean anything.

It would also be interesting if Mysterio was in SM4 and was creating illusions of Doc Ock to mess with Spider-Man. It would go good along with New Yorkers saying they're seeing something in the sewers.This I could entirely accept. He could even be a robot of Mysterio, who is looking to mess with Spidey. Bringing in the Goblin and Venom would be also good to see.

[SpiderRock88]

very interesting, i loved Ock in SM2 but i think its better for him to remain dead i want new villians, but in a future reboot, totally bring him back!

[GoldGoblin]

If the Chameleon was the main villain and used disguises and high tech weapons,then he could disguise himself as past villains like Doc Ock as a disguise and use the tentacles technology while fighting spidey in one battle.

[Reikowolf]

Although you could explain Ock returning in that his tenticles dragged him to shore, he would still require motivation.

and it would take away from his great final line:

"I will not die a monster"

its a shame they didn't make him more egocentric, as in the comics, as this Ock should not return as a villain.

shame really, one of the best most recognizable rogues.

[Venom'sDad]

It would also be interesting if Mysterio was in SM4 and was creating illusions of Doc Ock to mess with Spider-Man.

He could even be a robot of Mysterio, who is looking to mess with Spidey. Bringing in the Goblin and Venom would be also good to see.

If the Chameleon was the main villain and used disguises and high tech weapons,then he could disguise himself as past villains like Doc Ock as a disguise and use the tentacles technology while fighting spidey in one battle.

IMO, these are bad ideas, simply because it takes away from the characters themselves. It's one thing to portray Norman, Otto, Harry, or Eddie in context to who they are, and the situation surrounding the need to portray those characters... but simply a bad idea to portray their villainous alter-ego just for the sake of eye candy, fighting Spidey. I would prefer to see the villain themselves.

[Jick09]

IMO, these are bad ideas, simply because it takes away from the characters themselves. It's one thing to portray Norman, Otto, Harry, or Eddie in context to who they are, and the situation surrounding the need to portray those characters... but simply a bad idea to portray their villainous alter-ego just for the sake of eye candy, fighting Spidey. I would prefer to see the villain themselves.
But it's not simply for eye candy. It's to mess with his head, to suffocate him.
It was hard enough to take one villain, imagine all of those again. It's not with an intent to form a Sinister Six, but to mess with Spidey.

[Venom'sDad]

I know, I understand what you are saying. However, it's not the same. Every villain has their unique style, skill, skill level, and motivation... and to have another character try to portray that; 1st show lack of creativity on the part of the writers; but 2nd, takes away from the very villain himself. I just think it's a bad, cheap idea.

Let the villain stand on their own... besides, I think after the first encounter, Pete's intelligence should kick in and realize this is not DocOck, GG, or Venom.

[FaT_tONle]

If they ever use Mysterio it needs to be some kind of frame or setup. Pin Spiderman for murder or something like that. That way the entire city could turn on Spiderman and it could provide motivation to put together the Sinister 6, who would have a legitimate reason to come together with the backing of the public.

[chaseter]

Why would the public back the Sinister 6?

[Reikowolf]

because they would be named the 'heroic' 6

doesn't have the same ring though

[FaT_tONle]

They can become the Sinister 6 later on when they go bad. I just think the villains need to be motivated for reasons beyond "Let's team up to kill Spiderman". If Jameson could get them the backing for the right reasons, and if Spidey is thought to be guilty of a serious wrong doing, that could work. Maybe the city could provide each villain with an incentive... less jail time, funding for Octavius' research... whatever. And some people should still hate SPiderman for being a masked vigilante. Without that conflict he basically becomes another Superman and becomes boring.

[Joker]

I just think the villains need to be motivated for reasons beyond "Let's team up to kill Spiderman".

Yeah, they already did that in the worst possible way with Sandman and Venom in SM-3.

[Reikowolf]

i totally thought that venomw as going to kidnap sandman's daughter and force him to help him.... *like in the game*

instead you have sandman just wanting to kill spider-man for NO reason... why? he had escaped.... he could have easily left town and rob other places... his problem was that spider-man was after him not that he wanted to kill him

[Adrian89]

I loved the movie. It doesn't mean anything
Spot on! Cheers.

[HughJackFan420]

I think bringing Ock back for #4 with the Lizard would be HUGE. It would certainly hype up the movie for those who enjoyed SM2. It could also create a good story with Connors/Octavius being friends. I could care less about getting 2 new villains. I just want an epic Spider-Man movie that everyone can enjoy. I'm all for Doc Ock returning in the next movie.

to make up for Spidey 3 i would want exactly this plus a Venom/Carnage cliffhanger and some clue as to a possible Sinister 6 development in future Spidey flicks

[bullets]

i totally thought that venom was going to kidnap sandman's daughter and force him to help him.... *like in the game*




that could of worked and would of fit the story.

[bullets]

i figured if ock returned he would break some guys out of prison that spiderman was responsible for putting away but then i suppose that wouldn't make much sense for him to only spur five other guys. i'm sure they could figure it out though .
i am more interested in the other possible villians for part four but doc ock would definately draw alot of interest for people .

[bulletbillx]

Without that, he's a good guy.

which could be interesting, if a departure from the comics. he as dr. connors friend could be trying to help him overcome his own monstrous side (the lizard).

if they could come up with a good story involving that i'd be fine with him returning, otherwise it takes away from the point of SM2's ending.

[Immortalfire]

Ock isn't dead. So yeah, bring him back at some point.

[NewYorkSpider]

Molina had a contract that Ock could appear in SM3 or SM4. So why not bring him back this time around? He's a villain everyone loved in the second movie. I think this could help from the disaster the SM3 was.

[LadyJohnson]

HIPYA Alfred! :}
Except I don't know how you could not drown being pulled down into the water with 100 or so pounds on your back....

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm curious, if Ock was to come back, what would be his goal? Well, whatever it would be, I have a feeling it would be awesome. :up:

[LadyJohnson]

His goal would be to build the sinister six.

[Venom'sDad]

His goal... well that would depend on his state-of-mind. ;)

[SpeterMan3]

But he's not sinister anymore...

[LadyJohnson]

His goal... well that would depend on his state-of-mind. ;)
His goal...to catch Megan Fox doing a swim suit shoot ;)


I don't even know how they're going to bring him back, but the novelization of spidey 2 says he went completely blind at the end. I think that will be cool to have him blind in SM3 which would make him depend on the arms MORE., allowing him to become totally dependent on them.

[GoldGoblin]

Unless they do some reshoots and release a new SM2 where Doc Ock is just knocked out and taken to jail.

[Venom'sDad]

I was hoping in the SM2 Director's Cut, he would just wash up on shore....

[LadyJohnson]

^ ??? How the arms wieghed like 100 pounds...?

How I picture Ock will return:
Hobo fishermen in a boat their nets down, and they catch Doc Ock as he floats father down. The fishermen draw their nets and see Doc Ock tangled in the net.

guy 1: That there is one ugly fish...
guy 2: I do say...

[Venom'sDad]

We're talking semantics... there are ways

[LadyJohnson]

It would be very cool if Sam let Alfred choose how Ock returned..I'd be interested in what he'd come up with...

[spidermilk]

Doc needs to come back fully in control of his tentacles. No more of this mind control ****...


Second that. Doc Ock should come back to bring the franchise back.

[chaseter]

^ ??? How the arms wieghed like 100 pounds...?

How I picture Ock will return:
Hobo fishermen in a boat their nets down, and they catch Doc Ock as he floats father down. The fishermen draw their nets and see Doc Ock tangled in the net.

guy 1: That there is one ugly fish...
guy 2: I do say...
No...no:o

I think him washing up on shore is the least corny. In the context of SM2, he is dead. But, as they have said, he can be brought back through the magic of writing!

[LadyJohnson]

You shot down my corny scenario :'(

It was just a suggestion that I thought would be humorous...
*sigh*

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm think him washing up on shore is a great idea! I would defenitely be all for that. :up:

Either that or maybe we see a tentacle pop out of the water and latch onto the dock, as well as another and then another, and to pull up Doc Ock out of the water.

[Spider-Fan]

I think Ock should just reappear if you bring him back. I think in his case, 2 villains could work. You have one villain all movie doing work for someoen called "The Master Planner." Electro or something works this way. Then, you reveal in the climax, Ock was pulling the strings. Say his arms reactivated in the water to save him or something.

[bullets]

That would be an awesome climax. One that I'd like to not know about before the movie.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think Ock should just reappear if you bring him back. I think in his case, 2 villains could work. You have one villain all movie doing work for someoen called "The Master Planner." Electro or something works this way. Then, you reveal in the climax, Ock was pulling the strings. Say his arms reactivated in the water to save him or something. That would be cool!

[SpeterMan3]

It would be cool.

[bullets]

I think it's a much better way to bring Ock back in .

[Robin91939]

As much as I loved Molina as Ock in Spider-man 2, and as much as I would love a return of him...it really shouldn't happen.

First, it would be like jumping the shark- bringing him back this early....it would be admitting that they have nothing left to offer and are going to be "safe" and bring back something they know worked.

Secondly, he is dead. He swam with the SUN. That water was so hot that it would have evaporated his skin soon after he was in it. Also, his arms weighed about 100-200lbs. They also do not float.... The lights on the arms, blinked and went off at the end of his last scene....he is dead.

Thirdly, besides being more dead than a door nail....he snapped back to his senses and converted to the good side. He wouldn't be coming back as a "bad guy"...to do so would be an odd step.

The coolest way to bring him back- would to have been to have the "Master Planner" appear in voice only in Spider-man 4...orchestrating the events of the film and the film's villains...to be revealed as Ock in Spider-man 5...but that would be very hard to achieve given the reasons that he is dead and, if miraculously alive, a good guy.

-R

[LadyJohnson]

Also, his arms weighed about 100-200lbs. They also do not float....
That's what I've been saying :whatever:

[Venom'sDad]

I don't think his arms weigh that much... come on. There have been times where he stood straight up with minimum strain or problem... with all four arms in the air. Look at when de did the demostration, or in the train, before he stop the cab after leaving the hospital, in there where other occasions.

[SpeterMan3]

That's what I've been saying :whatever:
Hey, when did you join?

[SpeterMan3]

I don't think his arms weigh that much... come on. There have been times where he stood straight up with minimum strain or problem... with all four arms in the air. Look at when de did the demostration, or in the train, before he stop the cab after leaving the hospital, in there where other occasions.
Good point.

[GoldGoblin]

Bring him back then find out that it was not really him,it was the Chameleon.It doesn't ruin Doc Ock's character and we would get to see him and spidey fight again.The Chameleon could really do so much for future spidey movies.

[SpeterMan3]

That could be interesting, and probably safer.

[NewYorkSpider]

Bring him back then find out that it was not really him,it was the Chameleon.It doesn't ruin Doc Ock's character and we would get to see him and spidey fight again.The Chameleon could really do so much for future spidey movies.

I agree. I want to see a movie where a villian messes with his head through the movie. Chameleon or Mysterio would work great here.

[SpeterMan3]

I agree. I want to see a movie where a villian messes with his head through the movie. Chameleon or Mysterio would work great here.
Agreed

[LadyJohnson]

Hey, when did you join?
I've been lurking..

[SpeterMan3]

Well, when did you start posting? Ha, I was lurking for over 2 years before officially I joined.

[LadyJohnson]

HIPYA Alfred! :}
Except I don't know how you could not drown being pulled down into the water with 100 or so pounds on your back....
I joined when I posted this one page back...
and I state the arms weight thing

[SpeterMan3]

So you joined a day ago and already have 80 posts? Holy crap...

[FaT_tONle]

So you joined a day ago and already have 80 posts? Holy crap...

Sometimes the Hype gets the better of us.

[SpeterMan3]

Sometimes the Hype gets the better of us.
I see. :wow::wow::wow:

[chaseter]

No to the idea that the Chameleon was Doc Ock back in Spider-Man 2. That not only would retcon SM2, it would also be cheesy as ****. I don't want to see a Chameleon that can take on crazy characteristics like Doc Ock's tentacles...that is too far fetched. If Chameleon is going to be in these movies, I want him to be more like the guy in Smokin' Aces, a man in prison that escaped and kills people and takes over their identities because he is a master at prosthetics and voice masking.

Back to Doc Ock. If he comes back, I think Spider-Fan's idea would be cool but they are going to have to explain how he came back and I think just a simple; "I accepted death, the death of a hero and the tentacles shut down with me. However, they had a stronger will to live than I did." He could have been drowning and the tentacles light back up and grab on to part of the dock beams and pull himself back up. The tentacles give Doc pseudo CPR and he spits out water and voila. But, his near death experience with the tentacles' persuasion caused him to go back to the dark side.

As much as I am against bringing back Doc Ock, I wouldn't be angry to see him again.

[LadyJohnson]

^ x2 I'm against it as well, better to let him rest in peace

[Secret_Riddle]

I'm think him washing up on shore is a great idea! I would defenitely be all for that. :up:

Either that or maybe we see a tentacle pop out of the water and latch onto the dock, as well as another and then another, and to pull up Doc Ock out of the water.

Didn't Doc Ock redeem himself at the end of Spider-Man 2? Remember, he is not a villain..he's more of a tragic hero..someone who is ultimately good being controlled by his own flawed creation.

Wouldn't the kind of return your talking about completely ruin the thematic quality of his triumph over his own inadvertent evil? To me bringing Doc Ock back after SM2's ending by way of showing his survival would seem only like a cheap trick along the lines of Harry's amnesia from Spider-Man 3.

A better way might be to show other things Doc Ock did in Spider-Man 2 off screen. Perhaps along the lines of collaborating and forming a plan with Spider-Man 4's villain before the events of SM2 ended, and before SM4 began. Still however, this to me seems a little bit along the lines of the "Sandman killed Ben" plot line of SM3, which wasn't received well at all. It's probably better to leave Doc Ock out of future installments.

I don't mean to sorta judge your idea to harshly SMH12. I think it would work rather well with Doc Ock as he was portrayed in the comics (as a mad evil scientist), with the comic book logic surrounding character deaths (people don't die, they just go away for a bit).

I just feel that in the Spider-Man movies, the thematic undertones of these characters are more important then bringing them back, when more unique plot lines that take advantage of new and great characters are possible.

Maybe I just love Spider-Man 2 a bit to much.

[Joker]

Maybe I just love Spider-Man 2 a bit to much.

Nothing wrong with that. It's a top class comic book movie.

[chaseter]

I just feel that in the Spider-Man movies, the thematic undertones of these characters are more important then bringing them back, when more unique plot lines that take advantage of new and great characters are possible.


That is exactly what I think and how I feel.

But, if they do bring him back...I won't ***** and whine because it is ****ing Doc Ock! But, I would rather they move on.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Didn't Doc Ock redeem himself at the end of Spider-Man 2? Remember, he is not a villain..he's more of a tragic hero..someone who is ultimately good being controlled by his own flawed creation.

Wouldn't the kind of return your talking about completely ruin the thematic quality of his triumph over his own inadvertent evil? To me bringing Doc Ock back after SM2's ending by way of showing his survival would seem only like a cheap trick along the lines of Harry's amnesia from Spider-Man 3.

A better way might be to show other things Doc Ock did in Spider-Man 2 off screen. Perhaps along the lines of collaborating and forming a plan with Spider-Man 4's villain before the events of SM2 ended, and before SM4 began. Still however, this to me seems a little bit along the lines of the "Sandman killed Ben" plot line of SM3, which wasn't received well at all. It's probably better to leave Doc Ock out of future installments.

I don't mean to sorta judge your idea to harshly SMH12. I think it would work rather well with Doc Ock as he was portrayed in the comics (as a mad evil scientist), with the comic book logic surrounding character deaths (people don't die, they just go away for a bit).

I just feel that in the Spider-Man movies, the thematic undertones of these characters are more important then bringing them back, when more unique plot lines that take advantage of new and great characters are possible.

Maybe I just love Spider-Man 2 a bit to much. IMO, You make a great point, and honestly, I LOVE Spider-Man 2 as well. There's nothing wrong with that at all. :up:

[Agent Z]

From Raiders of the Lost Ark to Spider-Man, Molina just can't get away from the spiders.

I say just move on. There are way too many storylines and villains to explore before we start dipping back into that well already.

[Spiderine]

From Raiders of the Lost Ark to Spider-Man, Molina just can't get away from the spiders.

I say just move on. There are way too many storylines and villains to explore before we start dipping back into that well already.
Agreed. His story ended with his redemption. Time to venture into other territory.

[Spider-Fan]

I think it's a much better way to bring Ock back in .

Me too. If that could be kept secret, that would blow audience's minds, and it would be easier to bring him back that way and not go against SM2. Cause over the time he was gone and became the Master Planner, who knows what changed him this time? Doesn't need explanation, and would be theatrically awesome :up:

[NewYorkSpider]

Me too. If that could be kept secret, that would blow audience's minds, and it would be easier to bring him back that way and not go against SM2. Cause over the time he was gone and became the Master Planner, who knows what changed him this time? Doesn't need explanation, and would be theatrically awesome :up:

Didn't they keep Dafoe's cameo in SM2 a secret?

[Spider-Fan]

No to the idea that the Chameleon was Doc Ock back in Spider-Man 2. That not only would retcon SM2, it would also be cheesy as ****. I don't want to see a Chameleon that can take on crazy characteristics like Doc Ock's tentacles...that is too far fetched. If Chameleon is going to be in these movies, I want him to be more like the guy in Smokin' Aces, a man in prison that escaped and kills people and takes over their identities because he is a master at prosthetics and voice masking.

Back to Doc Ock. If he comes back, I think Spider-Fan's idea would be cool but they are going to have to explain how he came back and I think just a simple; "I accepted death, the death of a hero and the tentacles shut down with me. However, they had a stronger will to live than I did." He could have been drowning and the tentacles light back up and grab on to part of the dock beams and pull himself back up. The tentacles give Doc pseudo CPR and he spits out water and voila. But, his near death experience with the tentacles' persuasion caused him to go back to the dark side.

As much as I am against bringing back Doc Ock, I wouldn't be angry to see him again.

Yeah, I'm not big on the Chameleon in SM2 idea either. Nor bringing him back as an illusion. We can do better.

I agree how he is alive would have to be explained, but the explanation can be something simple like you already outlined. The arms are smart, so they could easily have reactivated.

This is just if you bring him back though. I don't think we need to bring him back, but if they were going to, I feel this is the best way to do it.

[Spider-Fan]

Didn't they keep Dafoe's cameo in SM2 a secret?

I don't remember. They may have. My 2003-2004 memory leading up to SM2 is a bit vague now :csad:

[GoldGoblin]

I didn't mean Chameleon would be Doc Ock in SM2,i meant Chameleon would be Doc Ock in SM4 explaining why Doc Ock would be a villain in SM4 when he redeemed himself in SM2.

[Spider-Fan]

That's still a bit corny, IMO. Mysterio can do anything with his effects, so wasting them on dressing up as Ock I think is a waste if he was used, and I'd rather see the Chameleon be a bit more cerebrally oriented...less dressing up for action scenes.

[GoldGoblin]

They could even make it where when Dr. Connors turns into the Lizard,make it where he can't change back and then use the Chameleon so he can use the Dr. Connors disguise to make the viewers think the Lizard serum in Dr. Connors body is making him act evil in situations.

But it's not the Lizard serum making Dr. Connors into a villain,it would be the villain the Chameleon under the disguise what is making Dr. Connors do the things that he would not normally do.

[Spiderine]

As much as I loved Molina as Ock, the only reason he should be in SM4 is the opening credits when they do the scenes from previous movies.

[Spider-Man '92]

Bring him back along with some of the other villains as illusions with Mysterio as the lead villain.

[Artistsean]

I know how he can return to the films without it being too convoluted.
He didn't actually die.

He sank to the bottom, maybe died for a few minutes, but his arms pulled him out.

He could even put together the Sinister Six for the sixth film. That would be awesome!

:otto:

[GoldGoblin]

They could bring him back if they give us a new SM2 version where spidey just knocks Doc Ock out,then spidey destroys that minature sun by pushing it to the bottom of the ocean.