What is needed to Bring Superman into the 21st Century

[Clarkester]

I must say I am not nearly as knowledgeable as many people on these board in regards to the character of Superman or any other superhero for that matter. Though I am a fan of film, in fact I am a film-maker and avid viewer of characters from a graphic novels in a cinematic setting. Through this some things spring to mind in regards to making a modern and successful Superman film for all.

1) A fresh story: Whatever they call these things these days, reboot, reimagining, beginnings? I think there is great potential for a fresh take within the Superman mythology. The most sensible thing would be to begin with research. To research as much of the source material (DC comics mostly) that is humanly possible. Through this process, you have the forethought to then build a very strong base for the cinematic screenplay. Through constant back and forth between filmmakers and graphic novel experts you build a solid origin story to play with. Yes origin! For two reasons! Firstly to reintroduce this icon to 21st Century and also to sever any connections made with very dated previous cinematic interpretations (including the recent Bryan Singer Film) Though the first film is a very good piece of cinema. I think one way a successful origin would work within modern cinema is through a non-linear format.

2) A Good Director: This is obvious but what most people tend to overlook or under-look (if there is such a word) is the previous body of work. They may want a director who has already showcased him/herself through similar genres. Though, a director known for action-adventure may not always be the best candidate. The basic concept of film making is the script! The script is the blueprint! From here a wise director will most of the time know how to deliver this blueprint in a way that is correct, yet within his/her creative sensibilities?

Look outside the box! I am not only suggesting any of these people but providing examples. Danny Boyle, Michael Mann, Tony Gilroy, Paul Thomas Anderson, the Coen Brothers. What would there Superman Be Like? You also need a director that respects the fans opinion, values it greatly but knows he/she’s own mind and is willing to make hard decisions (again with the help of the experts) that may even verge on controversial at times or against the grain but ultimately benefiting the production in the long run.

3) The Look: Superman’s outfit needs to be updated!! Most superheroes look stupid and would look stupid in realistic context yes, but this guy does not have a good look good for the 21st Century LOL. As someone from the outside looking in I can see why it would be off putting to the modern audience. I believe there are ways to keep the essence of the icon yet still bring him into the 21st century with style and flourish. There has to be.

4) The Character: Superman’s morals are unusual in this day and age and some may say old fashioned but I think that is a very unique selling point and not a bad thing. I don’t think you need to make Superman any darker than he is. You could give him dark moments within the story context (and maybe) give him times of doubt but you do not need to take anything away from what he is. What you can do is deliver him into verisimilitude that is much more threatening and (possibly) darker to match our times without ever taking away from what Superman is (a beacon of light) In fact this gives him more of a challenge if those around him do not look to his ideals. The modern times theme brings off a more dramatic weight and an emotion to the character which he (along with everything else) has to undertake. So when the action comes it should be breath taking and groundbreaking but the emotional under core is what drives it, it is the impetus throughout the story.

[sdc10]

What they need to do is just make a good movie and stay closer to the comic and not take ridiculous liberties with the character i.e giving him a kid

[Blackman]

They can take liberties with the character but they should base the Liberties that they take on some mainstream Superman lore. For instance I dont mind if they take some ideas from the DCAU

[Webhead2006]

Yup sticking with more known things would be better thing to do than throwing in stuff like a kid and what not that fans dont want to see.

[SuperDaniel]

I think that the main thing they need to do is find a director and screenwriter that have a passion for the character of the comics, first and foremost, and that they should be willing to forget the Donner movies and SR to start fresh, basing the story in the best of all the ages of Superman's diverse history to create an original and entertaining movie that shows what made the character resonate and stay alive for 70+ years.

[Webhead2006]

Hopefully they can one day superdaniel.

[Lighthouse]

This will be considered heresy, but I hope they do take some liberties with the character. I think Superman needs serious reinvention for today's audience. Abrams script had some bad stuff in it, but I appreciate he tried to do something different.

I know this will sound so very cliche in this comparison, and I cringe even making it, but I think the first film really needs to seriously focus on just Superman much like Batman Begins did on Batman. The great supporting cast in Batman Begins didn't get much screen time, but I think it was really necessary to focus solely on Batman, and follow through with a great ensemble piece like The Dark Knight. Its really, really important that the audience grows to care about its main character.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Superman's personality needs an upgrade. He could use some humorous and witty lines instead of seeming like a cardboard cutout boyscout all the time.

[Webhead2006]

Good points lighthouse.

[Lighthouse]

Superman's personality needs an upgrade. He could use some humorous and witty lines instead of seeming like a cardboard cutout boyscout all the time.

The truth is that even though everyone points to Superman as an iconic symbol, icons themselves are boring. I was reminded recently by watching The Last Temptation of Christ, and how that movie, in my opinion, is so much more powerful and moving than traditional Jesus films.

[Excel]

The Big Blue Boy Scout needs an edge to him, or he willforever be labeled as boring.

[GreenKToo]

Perhaps have him go overboard when he takes down the villain, maybe even to the point of killing him, or coming very close to it.
The reason could be that the villain severely injured, or even killed a close friend.

You wanted an edge, I cant think of a better one than that.

[KenshinAtrain]

A villain that isn't Lex Luthor. I mean did we forget about Bizzaro, Mongul, Darkseid, Braniac, Doomsday....etc etc

[GreenKToo]

A villain that isn't Lex Luthor. I mean did we forget about Bizzaro, Mongul, Darkseid, Braniac, Doomsday....etc etc
I say Brainiac for the first one. A Brainiac that also has the strength to stand toe to toe with Superman.

[Lighthouse]

I don't want to necessarily see Superman become more violent, but I wouldn't mind see him struggling a little bit with whats expected of him. Part of it is just going to be getting a really charismatic actor to play him.

[what_19]

ah finally a completely new and original conversation....i doubt this topic has ever been brought up

god we need some freaking news

[Cosmic]

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Very good post...I agree with most of what you have laid out here. I completely agree that the origin must be re-established. I think a single flashback sequence would suffice, but your idea of a non-linear approach could be extremely interesting, and would definitely be a huge challenge.

However, I do think you give too much credit to this idea of "modern times." It sounds a little pretentious! This character is basically timeless. You can put him in practically any setting with the same basic story. I think they just have to set the right tone. Just like you say, it should be serious and have some kind of weight to it, but not too dark. I think the key is to have him deal with some heavy moral dilemmas, as has been suggested. I know they tried this with SR, but it didn't work. I wasn't planned out well, at all. Anyways, if you look at the comics, it shouldn't be hard to create a long list of possible problems for him to face...before you even get around to picking out a supervillain!

As for the costume, I don't think it matters that much. If he looks exactly like Reeve in 1978, almost nobody who doesn't like that look will bother to complain very loudly, if they have a great time watching the movie. That being said, I'm not opposed to minor alterations to his costume for the movie.

[Excel]

He doesnt have to become Batman, he just needs an attitude. Saying stuff like "Youll never get away with this Luthor!" is just dumb at this point; any writer could give him some boss one liners.

He doesnt have to do some growl Bale esque voice...just make him sound like something other than a total pansy.

[Lighthouse]

He doesnt have to become Batman, he just needs an attitude. Saying stuff like "Youll never get away with this Luthor!" is just dumb at this point; any writer could give him some boss one liners.

He doesnt have to do some growl Bale esque voice...just make him sound like something other than a total pansy.

I wouldn't say so much of an attitude, but more of an interesting personality. Make a joke, feel overwhelmed, become frustrated. Maybe he should be a little shy, not bumbling CR Clark shy, but at least a little. Watching The Dark Knight, I actually thought Aaron Eckhart's approach to Harvey Dent(pre-Two Face of course) would be perfect for Superman(I'm not saying Eckhart should be Superman, I'm just saying his approach was the correct way to go about Superman).

[Excel]

Dent had the attitude that he ran ****; that would def. work for superman but I dunno about clark.

[Sam]

What is needed?

Hire me! :)

[SuperDaniel]

I think a good plot point would be Braniac to take over Superman's mind and turn him evil so we can see Superman battling the Army and destroying some stuff. Something like what happened in the TAS episode called "Legacy".

[GreenKToo]

I'd love to see Lex make a run for the presidency. How? He first gets elected as mayor of Metropolis. He then puts his top scientist to work creating cures for cancer, his top economists creates jobs, and finally Lex caters to the gov. and military. (remember, this is not Donners Superman, so we dont know if Lex has a criminal record or not)

Lex does all this to gain the trust of the people, but he would still secretly be the same cold hearted, ruthless, SOB that doesnt give a damn about the public, he had sooner let them die than to help them, and he absolutely hates Superman.

Metallo would be Lex's Bodyguard.


Superman, along with Lois, Jimmy, perry, etc, would know the truth about Lex of course, but they would be powerless to stop him. Lex buys news corp after news corp and in turn controls what is reported. Lex sets Superman up by creating accidents that claims lives, and Blames Superman by superimposing his image at the scenes.

The public slowly starts to turn against Superman and embraces Lex.

Superman would have to decide just how far he's willing to go to stop Lex from getting the presidency.

Two huge fights with Metallo with lots of damage and destuction. City Buses are used like baseball bats, and buildings collapse from the impacts the two combatants cause.

And yes, innocent lives would be lost, just like it happens in real life. Superman tries his best to prevent it of course, but even he cant save them all.

[Webhead2006]

That sounds like a good idea. Though i would like to start first film with corp lex, with hints of his desire to go into politics. Then in the second movie do the whole politics deal as u said become mayor/senator of the area. Then third film lex is president/superman powerless to stop him. But then some how it becomes known lex is SOB/liar and all that. So at the end lex takes a 180 degree turn and then becomes the criminal master mind lex and sent to jail.

[ClarkLuther55]

The costume doesn't need to be changed. Spider-Man is a perfect example of a colorful superhero costume (with the same primary colors as Superman's!) being successfully brought to the big screen. The colors can be darkened a little. However, they don't need to be darkened to the extent of Singer's Superman (maroon instead of red).

Or they could just go full-out, brightly-colored Superman. It worked for Christopher Reeves.

Superman just needs a reboot that starts from the beginning and introduces the character to a new audience. That's what SHOULD have happened in 2006; unfortunately Singer was a hot name back then with the superhero movie fans due to his success with the X-Men, and nobody said no to his ideas. The Donner movies are before the time of kids today. If you don't bring them onboard at the beginning, or worse, alienate them the way Superman Returns did in its opening moments (by telling them they already missed all of Superman's greatest adventures), they're not going to get attached to the character.

Make a Superman movie that's a true reboot with the classic origin. Cast a pair of young, talented leads as Clark and Lois. They need to be young to appeal to kids, and also so they won't be nearing 40 by the time the sequels come out. Don't cast TOO young though; a 22-year old Kate Bosworth as an experienced reporter and mother of a 5-year old was just ridiculous. Clark and Lois should be young, ambitious professionals trying to make it in the big city.

Luthor needs LuthorCorp. No more of that lame real-estate crap. Tap into the zeitgeist by portraying him as the corrupt businessman he's been since Crisis. Businessmen are as maligned in this decade as they were in the 80s, after Enron, Madoff, and the current recession. The evil businessman is cliche by now but that's what Luthor is, and he does it best. One idea I came up with and posted before would be to portray Metropolis as a glistening facade hiding an underbelly of corruption. Lois can be introduced as a brave, crusading reporter working to expose Lex's crimes and fraud, while being warned not to get involved by concerned friends and coworkers.

There has been a huge backlash against Luthor after SR, but any Superman saga needs him to be involved. Luthor can be a mastermind without getting in the way of the physical villain he could be controlling. Obviously there needs to be action.

Unfortunately, big-budget movies have a tendency to remain in the public conciousness for years or even decades. Superman is damaged goods right now, to the point that DC uses Batman to headline their merchandise (just look at the way MK vs. DCU was promoted). The Incredible Hulk got Hulk right (despite whatever flaws), but interest in the character was still damaged from Ang Lee's failed revision five years prior. This is why WB needed to get Superman right in 2006. If they had successfully relaunched Superman, we would be getting a sequel by now, and a DC movieverse would be in place for a massive Justice League crossover in a few years (the way Marvel is doing Avengers). Unfortunately, all we still have is Batman. Maybe Green Lantern will get things going.

[Webhead2006]

very good points man i agree with you.

[DavidTyler]

ClarkLuthor55, I'm in agreement with you on how to proceed.

The only place I think I differ with you is that I want a prelude to the main story that would involve Jor-El as a Kryptonian rebel - fighting the council to try to save - first Krypton and then, failing that, to save his son.

To continue on from that point, I think a reboot definitely needs Luthor to be the corrupt businessman who is also the source of a lot of high tech innovation in Metropolis. Among other advantages to that, it would allow for Maggie's Sawyer's high tech SWAT team.

The character of Superman himself does NOT need a new visual interpretation. He needs to look like the traditional Superman ... it's the world around him that needs to be as up to date ... and even a little futuristic.

I'd love to see anatagonists like Bloodsport or Metallo (the original version ... not the Transformers inspired version that's prevalent in the comix right now) brought in. I wouldn't use them as main adversaries but they'd be great to use to show Superman's day to day battle.

[Superman_20]

This is actually pretty simple stuff to do....

*Costume: Use this model, darken the blue perhaps a little bit to where the blue looks like Spider-Mans shade of blue from the movie and have Routh actually put on a bit more muscle, just get him to be as muscular as possible...

http://basickcomics.com/images/superman-alex%20ross.jpg




*Story:
Origin story, with more accurate possibilities and an explanation somehow built in as to how it is possible that he traveled through space, from what galaxy or universe, integrate bubble-theory, etc. The story needs to be less fantastic and a little more realistic... he needs to seem as if he were in the real world with real villians and no campy super villians, at least not in the first story and the entire feel of the movie should be much more serious like on the peace on earth novel...

*Director: Spielberg only because i think tarantino wouldn't do it but tarantino would be my first choice

[DavidTyler]

This is actually pretty simple stuff to do....

*Costume: Use this model, darken the blue perhaps a little bit to where the blue looks like Spider-Mans shade of blue from the movie and have Routh actually put on a bit more muscle, just get him to be as muscular as possible...

http://basickcomics.com/images/superman-alex%20ross.jpg




*Story:
Origin story, with more accurate possibilities and an explanation somehow built in as to how it is possible that he traveled through space, from what galaxy or universe, integrate bubble-theory, etc. The story needs to be less fantastic and a little more realistic... he needs to seem as if he were in the real world with real villians and no campy super villians, at least not in the first story and the entire feel of the movie should be much more serious like on the peace on earth novel...

*Director: Spielberg only because i think tarantino wouldn't do it but tarantino would be my first choice


Tarantino is too cartoony. Spielberg is the obvious choice but he'd never consider it.

I agree with having to surround Superman with realistic (as much as possible with such a fantasty character) environments and antagonists.

[MAN O STEEL]

Spielberg is the obvious choice but he'd never consider it.



After going from E.T, Close Encounters, Shindlers list, jurassic park to becoming a hollywood cash cow whore making second rate movies, I'd rather Spielberg stay away myself. I'd like a newcomer who's so eager to make his mark in hollywood that he's willing to go to any extent to make sure he's faithfull & respectfull to the source material at hand. That's just me though.






Steve

[JAK®]

If you want a Superman movie for the 21st century, just read Birthright.

[Dave_W]

...minus the soul vision and stupid hologram invasion.

[Webhead2006]

Yea many of us have said the best thing they should do is take the best elements off from birthright, all seasons, STAS, smallville, bryne reboot and make something that works well with all those elements and go from there.

[Mostpowerful]

Yea many of us have said the best thing they should do is take the best elements off from birthright, all seasons, STAS, smallville, bryne reboot and make something that works well with all those elements and go from there.

*cough!* you forgot about this. :cwink: This is HOW the Superman comicbooks look today and it rocks, and it's been this way for a few years now:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c7/JamalIgle/fortressofsolitude.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a214/hollywoodsav1or/origin_CVRs.jpg?t=1237316777

[GreenKToo]

^ I could live with that. It Shows more in the fortress than just boring crystals.

[Blackman]

The art for Secret Origins is fantastic
but I dont like where they are going from the story (based of the presmise)

[batman44]

I prefer to not even see the FOS in the next film, especially if it's an origin story of some kind.

[Dave_W]

My God that FOS is horrendous! The Atomic Cauldron? Super Science Lab? Please tell me that toss is from the 60's?!

[Parousia]

Many of you just need a little patience. The WB values Superman and did not bring him back for just a single movie. A new director and lead actor were chosen for the next generation of Superman films. Bringing back a character of this magnitude is not done with a test drive. It is done with a plan to keep building the mileage, for a long road ahead with a new franchise.

[GreenKToo]

We have been patient. The franchise that we were hoping for is now dead in the water.
A whole new one will now have to be created from scratch. That takes time, and lots of it. Most of us are just wondering how much time we're going to have to wait for this new start. 4 yrs? 5yrs? longer?

[Showtime]

Many of you just need a little patience. The WB values Superman and did not bring him back for just a single movie. A new director and lead actor were chosen for the next generation of Superman films. Bringing back a character of this magnitude is not done with a test drive. It is done with a plan to keep building the mileage, for a long road ahead with a new franchise.

Why did you have to create a new name "Hammy" in order to post and pm this? :huh:

[DavidTyler]

My God that FOS is horrendous! The Atomic Cauldron? Super Science Lab? Please tell me that toss is from the 60's?!


Unfortunately ... the Silver Age people are at the helm.

I was thrilled when Byrne and Wolfman brought Superman out of that age but I guess DiDio and company can't let it go. I don't know if I'll continue buying the books which is saying something because I've been buying them since I was a kid. I can only hope that the books fall so far behind in sales that someone removes DiDio from his position and brings in another Jeanette Kahn.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Yea many of us have said the best thing they should do is take the best elements off from birthright, all seasons, STAS, smallville, bryne reboot and make something that works well with all those elements and go from there.

There's really nothing out of Smallville that I think would be right for a good Superman film.

But I'm opening to hearing what you think they should adapt from it?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Why did you have to create a new name "Hammy" in order to post and pm this? :huh:

What kind of loser would create an alternate account just to PM 100% BS to people?

Oh yeah...

[Webhead2006]

There's really nothing out of Smallville that I think would be right for a good Superman film.

But I'm opening to hearing what you think they should adapt from it?
I am a little busy right now, had a crazy day today and i have some things to do. I will get back to you on my thoughts late tonight.

[04nbod]

Unfortunately ... the Silver Age people are at the helm.

I was thrilled when Byrne and Wolfman brought Superman out of that age but I guess DiDio and company can't let it go. I don't know if I'll continue buying the books which is saying something because I've been buying them since I was a kid. I can only hope that the books fall so far behind in sales that someone removes DiDio from his position and brings in another Jeanette Kahn.


that would be horrific, her meddling in continuity almost destroyed supergirl and the legion of super-heroes

[DavidTyler]

that would be horrific, her meddling in continuity almost destroyed supergirl and the legion of super-heroes


I completely disagree.

The legion was great under Perez and I even liked what my local Syracusan, Tom Peyer, did with the characters. It's when Giffen and co took over that the books turned into cosmic trash.

As to Supergirl ... the only version I ever liked in the comix was Matrix ... and even at that, when she was still naive and prey to Luthor's manipulations. My absolute favourite version is the one from the animated series. That would have worked fine in the immediate Post Crisis DC universe. I did not like Peter David's 'Angel-in-the-Kryptonian-Flesh' version and I don't at all care for the new version ... the New Krypton story-line is awful and Supergirl's presence doesn't improve it.

[Fresh Prince]

Superman dealing with 21st century things. Like a bad economy, humans more and more sloppy and disoriented and high technology that villians could use to take him down. Also a society were the average criminal rule the streets and not mobsters or gangsters anymore. Were the system is messed up and untrustful and not fair.

[NotFadeAway]

God the Superman comics could be set back years with Secret Origins....long live Birthright.

[TheNorwegian]

Hi folks, I'm new to this board and this is my first post. I've been a fan of Superman in the movies since I saw The Movie in the early 80s. It was always magical and I re-watched it a few weeks ago. My review is posted here (http://news.planetorigo.com/article.php?poarticle_id=509).

Anyway, my take on how to update Superman on screen for current audiences.....

Don't pretend the movie is for kids only. Use a director and writer who are not doing alot of these epic movies (meaning, forget Spielberg, Nolan, Bay, Singer), but someone outside the box. Make Superman a global figure, not an "American". Respect the comics but remember that more people have seen the movies and depend on them for mythology. Get an unknown in the lead role. Make sure Superman is vulnerable and "human".

I am not sure it will work to have Superman fight global warming or some other unspecified natural disaster. It needs to be a moral dilemma, and not just a problem to fix. We have seen how silly time reversal is.

I think another Superman sequel will be one of the most difficult movies to pull off nicely. Actually, I dont think they can ever "win" anymore. The legend and luggage they have to deal with is so incredibly huge.

[Fresh Prince]

This is actually pretty simple stuff to do....

*Costume: Use this model, darken the blue perhaps a little bit to where the blue looks like Spider-Mans shade of blue from the movie and have Routh actually put on a bit more muscle, just get him to be as muscular as possible...

http://basickcomics.com/images/superman-alex%20ross.jpg




*Story:
Origin story, with more accurate possibilities and an explanation somehow built in as to how it is possible that he traveled through space, from what galaxy or universe, integrate bubble-theory, etc. The story needs to be less fantastic and a little more realistic... he needs to seem as if he were in the real world with real villians and no campy super villians, at least not in the first story and the entire feel of the movie should be much more serious like on the peace on earth novel...

*Director: Spielberg only because i think tarantino wouldn't do it but tarantino would be my first choice

Its about time we saw a buff Superman in these movies.

[Excel]

I still get a kick out of seeing these "I guess Spielberg will have to do because {insert far less popular director here} def. wont do it".

[Fresh Prince]

I still get a kick out of seeing these "I guess Spielberg will have to do because {insert far less popular director here} def. wont do it".

You want a Spielberg Superman? Have a Star Wars/Jurassic Park feel to it too lol.:hehe: He be oh so wrong for Superman.

[BATZARRO WWD]

The 21rst century Superman should be in essence, a revolutionary. More than a reactive figure that jumps into picture every time a bank heist or giant robot attack occurs, he should actively try to change the world into a better, fairer place.

Which shouldn't be that easy. I mean, if Superman would throw all the nuclear weapons into the sun, a la Superman: The Quest for Peace, it would piss quite a few people. His actions should not just be met with applause, but also suspicion and doubt.

[TheNorwegian]

Good point, Batzarro. But what is left then? Global warming? He could just super-freeze the poles and oceans back to normal in a day or two. Too easy!

I dont think they'll be able to come up with a great concept for another movie again. It'll be so-so at best.

[GreenKToo]

Miracle Monday, Birthright, Red Son, or Kingdom Come would all make excellent Superman films.
They dont have to re-invent the wheel. The one they have rolls just fine.

[COMPO]

I must say I am not nearly as knowledgeable as many people on these board in regards to the character of Superman or any other superhero for that matter. Though I am a fan of film, in fact I am a film-maker and avid viewer of characters from a graphic novels in a cinematic setting. Through this some things spring to mind in regards to making a modern and successful Superman film for all.

1) A fresh story: Whatever they call these things these days, reboot, reimagining, beginnings? I think there is great potential for a fresh take within the Superman mythology. The most sensible thing would be to begin with research. To research as much of the source material (DC comics mostly) that is humanly possible. Through this process, you have the forethought to then build a very strong base for the cinematic screenplay. Through constant back and forth between filmmakers and graphic novel experts you build a solid origin story to play with. Yes origin! For two reasons! Firstly to reintroduce this icon to 21st Century and also to sever any connections made with very dated previous cinematic interpretations (including the recent Bryan Singer Film) Though the first film is a very good piece of cinema. I think one way a successful origin would work within modern cinema is through a non-linear format.

Not necessarily Spider-man had a good origin that was a linear format. But yeah that would be good, I feel a new origin would reintroduce people to Superman I mean, people know the basics of it but they need to have their own origin story to see it.

2) A Good Director: This is obvious but what most people tend to overlook or under-look (if there is such a word) is the previous body of work. They may want a director who has already showcased him/herself through similar genres. Though, a director known for action-adventure may not always be the best candidate. The basic concept of film making is the script! The script is the blueprint! From here a wise director will most of the time know how to deliver this blueprint in a way that is correct, yet within his/her creative sensibilities?

Look outside the box! I am not only suggesting any of these people but providing examples. Danny Boyle, Michael Mann, Tony Gilroy, Paul Thomas Anderson, the Coen Brothers. What would there Superman Be Like? You also need a director that respects the fans opinion, values it greatly but knows he/she’s own mind and is willing to make hard decisions (again with the help of the experts) that may even verge on controversial at times or against the grain but ultimately benefiting the production in the long run.

I think with a good director you need someone whos a fan of the comics as well as the films so they have a broad spectrum of what they need and want. Plus if they're a fan they'd know what fans would want and what they'd like to see.

3) The Look: Superman’s outfit needs to be updated!! Most superheroes look stupid and would look stupid in realistic context yes, but this guy does not have a good look good for the 21st Century LOL. As someone from the outside looking in I can see why it would be off putting to the modern audience. I believe there are ways to keep the essence of the icon yet still bring him into the 21st century with style and flourish. There has to be.

spider-man's outfit hasnt changed why should superman's?

4) The Character: Superman’s morals are unusual in this day and age and some may say old fashioned but I think that is a very unique selling point and not a bad thing. I don’t think you need to make Superman any darker than he is. You could give him dark moments within the story context (and maybe) give him times of doubt but you do not need to take anything away from what he is. What you can do is deliver him into verisimilitude that is much more threatening and (possibly) darker to match our times without ever taking away from what Superman is (a beacon of light) In fact this gives him more of a challenge if those around him do not look to his ideals. The modern times theme brings off a more dramatic weight and an emotion to the character which he (along with everything else) has to undertake. So when the action comes it should be breath taking and groundbreaking but the emotional under core is what drives it, it is the impetus throughout the story.

what would be cool is if he is a farm boy with ideals like Superman does but the life outside the farm is kind of twisting his morals, so he's in situations where his morals are being challenged making him a more interesting character.

[The Guard]

Spider-Man's outfit DID change for the movies. It got a lot more intricate and artsy, if that's even possible with such a design. The SUPERMAN RETURNS suit took page from it in the texturing and raised elements.

[batman44]

Agreed. The Spider-man suit had raised webbing (which was more sliver than black), logo, and eyes. A texture/ pattern through out the suit. It took the basic/ traditional look of Spidey and updated it as did Superman's suit in SR. Spidey's outfit was just better executed, in my opinion of course.

[GreenKToo]

For me, it wasnt just the suit in SR that was a problem, it was the overall feel of the film. Both needed to be brighter.

[Fresh Prince]

Miracle Monday, Birthright, Red Son, or Kingdom Come would all make excellent Superman films.
They dont have to re-invent the wheel. The one they have rolls just fine.

Wsn't Red Son an esleworld comic were Superman was in Russia fighting for that country instead of the US? Doubt that would work as a Superman movie. Kingdom Come be cool. Joker kills everyone at the daily planet and he gets killed by a super hero at his ttial and its an all out war between the divided super heroes. Sort ofl ike X-Men 3 but hopefully can be handled better.

[RachelDawes]

The 21rst century Superman should be in essence, a revolutionary. More than a reactive figure that jumps into picture every time a bank heist or giant robot attack occurs, he should actively try to change the world into a better, fairer place.

Which shouldn't be that easy. I mean, if Superman would throw all the nuclear weapons into the sun, a la Superman: The Quest for Peace, it would piss quite a few people. His actions should not just be met with applause, but also suspicion and doubt.

I'd rather not see this. I'd prefer Superman fight powerful aliens than get involved in politics.

The only way I'd like to see this scenario is if Superman were to try to make the world a better place, only to have his actions blow up in his face, reinforcing how many of the world's problems don't have an easy solution. Remember how in the Simpsons Lisa wished for world peace and everyone threw away their weapons only to be attacked by aliens? I wouldn't mind seeing something like that, only less outlandish.

[SuperAl]

Just get rid of everything that links it to the old films. Don't have Clark Kent wear suits that look like they were made in the 70s, Clark shouldn't be a clumsy idiot. I know thats suppose to be sort of his cover but I mean in the Superman cartoons they didnt make Clark Kent a big nerd and it still worked.

Get rid of the old theme music, create something new and fresh. Music is something that can honestly make a movie so much better, i mean 300s soundtrack gave me chills during the movie because it went so well with what was going on onscreen. In SR, everytime they played the superman theme it just seemed tacky and out of place.

I also think they need to rethink the whole idea of having Superman's hair be completely covered in gel. I mean the curl can still be there but have it look natural like a strand of hair coming down over his forehead instead of a clump of hair held together by 20lbs of gel.

[Fresh Prince]

I'd rather not see this. I'd prefer Superman fight powerful aliens than get involved in politics.

The only way I'd like to see this scenario is if Superman were to try to make the world a better place, only to have his actions blow up in his face, reinforcing how many of the world's problems don't have an easy solution. Remember how in the Simpsons Lisa wished for world peace and everyone threw away their weapons only to be attacked by aliens? I wouldn't mind seeing something like that, only less outlandish.

Lol love Superman to be in politics. Imagine he trying to get the economy good again but it all of a sudden becomes worst then ever including 1929. Then he have to fix everything.

But foreal man **** i would not mind Superman being in politics. Dummies do not know what they doing.

[Fresh Prince]

Just get rid of everything that links it to the old films. Don't have Clark Kent wear suits that look like they were made in the 70s, Clark shouldn't be a clumsy idiot. I know thats suppose to be sort of his cover but I mean in the Superman cartoons they didnt make Clark Kent a big nerd and it still worked.

Get rid of the old theme music, create something new and fresh. Music is something that can honestly make a movie so much better, i mean 300s soundtrack gave me chills during the movie because it went so well with what was going on onscreen. In SR, everytime they played the superman theme it just seemed tacky and out of place.

I also think they need to rethink the whole idea of having Superman's hair be completely covered in gel. I mean the curl can still be there but have it look natural like a strand of hair coming down over his forehead instead of a clump of hair held together by 20lbs of gel.

Agreed. Dark Knight song gave me chills. No hom brought almost tears to my eyes thats how sick the song was.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Just get rid of everything that links it to the old films. Don't have Clark Kent wear suits that look like they were made in the 70s, Clark shouldn't be a clumsy idiot. I know thats suppose to be sort of his cover but I mean in the Superman cartoons they didnt make Clark Kent a big nerd and it still worked.

Get rid of the old theme music, create something new and fresh. Music is something that can honestly make a movie so much better, i mean 300s soundtrack gave me chills during the movie because it went so well with what was going on onscreen. In SR, everytime they played the superman theme it just seemed tacky and out of place.

I also think they need to rethink the whole idea of having Superman's hair be completely covered in gel. I mean the curl can still be there but have it look natural like a strand of hair coming down over his forehead instead of a clump of hair held together by 20lbs of gel.

Yep, very obvious things to a Superman fan. Why WB struggles to see these things and know how to modernize the character baffles me.

[That person]

The 21rst century Superman should be in essence, a revolutionary. More than a reactive figure that jumps into picture every time a bank heist or giant robot attack occurs, he should actively try to change the world into a better, fairer place.

Which shouldn't be that easy. I mean, if Superman would throw all the nuclear weapons into the sun, a la Superman: The Quest for Peace, it would piss quite a few people. His actions should not just be met with applause, but also suspicion and doubt.

Perhaps they could have Lex Luthor used not as a primary villain, but as a Mayoral candidate who nourishes the public suspicion and fear of Superman. In reaction to this, he gets stressed out and Golden Agey. Later, he wins the public trust by defeating Brainiac. The only problem would be how to build him up. It could be cool if he was an advanced AI that LexCorp is working on who hacked past security to manufacture himself a body. This deviates from the traditional origin too much, so it probably wouldn't happen. (Being more of a Marvel fan, I don't really care that much.)

[aia]

Just get rid of everything that links it to the old films. Don't have Clark Kent wear suits that look like they were made in the 70s, Clark shouldn't be a clumsy idiot. I know thats suppose to be sort of his cover but I mean in the Superman cartoons they didnt make Clark Kent a big nerd and it still worked.

Get rid of the old theme music, create something new and fresh. Music is something that can honestly make a movie so much better, i mean 300s soundtrack gave me chills during the movie because it went so well with what was going on onscreen. In SR, everytime they played the superman theme it just seemed tacky and out of place.

I also think they need to rethink the whole idea of having Superman's hair be completely covered in gel. I mean the curl can still be there but have it look natural like a strand of hair coming down over his forehead instead of a clump of hair held together by 20lbs of gel.


I agree get rid of Lois treating clark like dirt. Its so Americen with its dorks and jocks. Which is so 1980's! How the girl like lois always falls for the jock.
Its type cast and it's boring. To be honest it's insulting.I'd sooner have a Clark kent then superman anyday of the week.

[That person]

I agree get rid of Lois treating clark like dirt. Its so Americen with its dorks and jocks. Which is so 1980's! How the girl like lois always falls for the jock.
Its type cast and it's boring. To be honest it's insulting.I'd sooner have a Clark kent then superman anyday of the week.
Agreed. It'd be cool to see them show Clark and Lois as actually being just friends.

[B]

A fresh take on an origin film that combines elements of naturally comic references, Superman The Movie (& even 2, 3 & 4), Smallville, Superman Returns heck even dab a bit of L&C on the top with an interesting story thats not Lex Luthor orientated (although have him in the film) & especally not an evil plot revolving around land! Brainiac is one I wouldn't mind if it was an origin film considering his origin could be perhaps handled while Kal-Els is at the same time.

Adding things like children & going AWOL for 5 years are alright but are something best saved as twists further along in a franchise I think..

[Ultraman Nexus]

"What is needed to Bring Superman into the 21st Century?"

To get out the mindset of the late 20th.

Lose this whole thing of wanting to make him dark or an anti-hero any of the other modern cliches that have defined this long dour and cynical era in pop-culture.

Instead like the new Star Trek movie Superman is something that should be leading the charge into a bold new era where optimism kicks ass.

[aia]

A new suit and lose the undies!

[Kurosawa]

Well, fixing Superman is a serious challenge, mostly because DC has spent the last 20+ years running the character into the ground as hard as they can due to fears of Siegel and Shuster's heirs making a dime off of it. Basically in the mid 80's DC transformed Superman from a mature, adult urbanite to a farmboy boy scout. They then pushed as hard as they could the idea that Superman is an establishment stooge, and that he is far inferior to Batman. This was done mostly because Batman's "creator". Bob Kane, completely sold out to DC way back in the beginning and so there would be no business challenge to the characters rights and profits.

Superman is NOT a "BIG BLUE BOY SCOUT". That is Post-Crisis Miller/Byrne BS. Superman, while very noble and heroic, is actually pretty sophisticated. Leaving his parents alive turned Superman into a mama's boy and the dehumanization and demphasiation of his Kryptonian heritage took Superman further away from having vital common ground with Batman because Pre-Crisis, they were both orphans and Superman was orphaned twice. Before Crisis, all of Superman's peers, ESPECIALLY Batman, treated him with complete respect. In the past 20 years, many of them, ESPECIALLY Batman, have disrespected him to varying degrees and Superman has of course flaccidly accepted this. Basically this was when Superman went from being "Kal" to being "Clark".

So a lot of what is broke with Superman was done for business reasons, and was done to make the character patently inferior to the 100% DC/WB owned and controlled Batman. DC/WB doesn't WANT Superman to succeed, and that's why they've replaced him with Batman. However, IF by some chance there was a real effort to make Superman popular again, this is how I'd like to see them go about it:

The best place to take Superman now is to take inspiration from the earliest version of the character. I want to see a Superman who has much less regard for the system and more regard for right and wrong. I want the strong social conscience back. I want a Superman who would lock wealthy mine owners in their unsafe mine to make a point about unsafe working conditions, the Superman who didn't mind terrifying criminals or even the mayor of Metropolis to make a point. I want to see Superman as the hero of the oppressed, smashing tenements to bits and forcing their owners to rebuild safe housing. And I want him to do it all with a cocky smirk, sneering at the rich and defending the less fortunate.

And even though I'm usually more in favor of a more traditional scientist Luthor, the Lexcorp CEO Luthor actually fits in this scenario quite well. But I would want it to be made clear that Lex IS a brilliant scientist and that's where most of his power/wealth has come from.

As for Clark, he needs to be treated as a disguise and as a separate personality from Superman, but I would say with less silliness than the Reeve version. Something between there and George Reeves. I also think he should occasionally slip and act bad-ass before catching himself, especially if the new movie is set early in his career.

Lois needs to be driven and ambitious but they should keep away from some of they Lois Lane cliches. And she doesn't need to call Clark "Smallville" EVER. Clark is NOT a dumb farmboy. I despise that whole angle. Her romance with Superman should grow as much out her agreement for what he is fighting for as his personal charm and confidence and of course his amazing powers. The audience needs to understand 100%: if Superman lost his powers somehow, it would only slow him down, but it wouldn't stop him. What Kal took from the Kents wasn't silly farmboy naivete; instead it was a STRONG moral sense of right and wrong and a real determination to change things in any way possible, and outside of the legal system if need be.

That's the Superman Siegel and Shuster created and DC took from them after the K-Metal story. That's the Superman I want brought back both in the comics and in the movies. And I feel that's the interpretation that would appeal to today's audiences.

And there's no reason to change the costume. It's based on traditional Kryptonian clothes (art-deco Krypton like Siegel intended), and it's worked fine since 1938.

[The Guard]

Superman doesn't need to be "fixed", he needs to be explored beyond the basics on film. The issue with the movies isn't that they don't explore the basic concepts, it's that they don't go much beyond that, the recent film was dependent on the Donnerverse, and didn't explore many concepts that have been compelling in the comics for years.

Superman has always been something of a Boy Scout, but the character has not lost his ability to be dark, or to have an edge. I'm not sure where you got the idea that Superman has been shown no respect, because Superman has both been shown respect and also been taken to task for various things, all for pretty good reasons over the years.

Clark Kent is very much still a mature adult urbanite.

Superman still has common ground with Batman, and simply both being orphans is not, in itself, half as compelling as their differences in terms of their relationship.

The comics have not, in the least, ignored Superman's Kryptonian heritage.

I fail to see why just having parents who aren't dead makes Clark a "mama's boy".

Lois calling Clark "SMALLVILLE" doesn't actually mean that he is a dumb farm boy any more than her ignoring him for years compared to Superman means that he has no likeable qualities.

Could you have any more of an agenda? Why not just call the film SUPERMAN: 1938?

I don't think you've been reading Superman comics regularly, though, as the comics have played with both old and new ideas for about a decade and a half now.

[DavidTyler]

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Superman is NOT a "BIG BLUE BOY SCOUT". That is Post-Crisis Miller/Byrne BS. Superman, while very noble and heroic, is actually pretty sophisticated. Leaving his parents alive turned Superman into a mama's boy and the dehumanization and demphasiation of his Kryptonian heritage took Superman further away from having vital common ground with Batman because Pre-Crisis, they were both orphans and Superman was orphaned twice. Before Crisis, all of Superman's peers, ESPECIALLY Batman, treated him with complete respect. In the past 20 years, many of them, ESPECIALLY Batman, have disrespected him to varying degrees and Superman has of course flaccidly accepted this. Basically this was when Superman went from being "Kal" to being "Clark".

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The best place to take Superman now is to take inspiration from the earliest version of the character. I want to see a Superman who has much less regard for the system and more regard for right and wrong. I want the strong social conscience back. I want a Superman who would lock wealthy mine owners in their unsafe mine to make a point about unsafe working conditions, the Superman who didn't mind terrifying criminals or even the mayor of Metropolis to make a point. I want to see Superman as the hero of the oppressed, smashing tenements to bits and forcing their owners to rebuild safe housing. And I want him to do it all with a cocky smirk, sneering at the rich and defending the less fortunate.

And even though I'm usually more in favor of a more traditional scientist Luthor, the Lexcorp CEO Luthor actually fits in this scenario quite well. But I would want it to be made clear that Lex IS a brilliant scientist and that's where most of his power/wealth has come from.

As for Clark, he needs to be treated as a disguise and as a separate personality from Superman, but I would say with less silliness than the Reeve version. Something between there and George Reeves. I also think he should occasionally slip and act bad-ass before catching himself, especially if the new movie is set early in his career.

Lois needs to be driven and ambitious but they should keep away from some of they Lois Lane cliches. And she doesn't need to call Clark "Smallville" EVER. Clark is NOT a dumb farmboy. I despise that whole angle. Her romance with Superman should grow as much out her agreement for what he is fighting for as his personal charm and confidence and of course his amazing powers. The audience needs to understand 100%: if Superman lost his powers somehow, it would only slow him down, but it wouldn't stop him. What Kal took from the Kents wasn't silly farmboy naivete; instead it was a STRONG moral sense of right and wrong and a real determination to change things in any way possible, and outside of the legal system if need be.

That's the Superman Siegel and Shuster created and DC took from them after the K-Metal story. That's the Superman I want brought back both in the comics and in the movies. And I feel that's the interpretation that would appeal to today's audiences.

And there's no reason to change the costume. It's based on traditional Kryptonian clothes (art-deco Krypton like Siegel intended), and it's worked fine since 1938.

While I completely disagree with your stance that DC deliberately made Superman a less interesting character over the past twenty years (a part of your post I chose to delete), I do find myself in agreement on some of your points.... I do think Lois needs to be a driven character. I have no prob with her referring to Clark as 'Smallville'. In fact, I find it a term of endearment.

I've been reading Superman pretty regularly since the early 1960's (and have read stories earlier than that) and can, in all confidence, tell you that the big blue boyscout predated Byrne and Byrne was getting away from that. You're Byrne dislike has coloured your opinion. The boyscout angle was most prominent during the period of the Donner movie where the point was driven home like a large spike in a rusty railway.

However, having stated that Byrne was not the culprit for the 'Boyscout' angle, I'm in agreement that it has to end. Clark has seen far too much of the world to be that naive. I want to start a chant ... 'No More Naive Superman, No More Naive Superman, No More Naive Superman'.

I don't want Clark to be a cover for Superman. I've stated many times that the Kent's raised a boy named Clark and that's who the central person is. When he's dressed as Superman and in front of the public ... he's a pose. When he's wearing glasses and sitting in a news room or chasing down a story - it's only partially a pose. Clark in the glasses is just a more reserved version of Superman when the big S is NOT in front of the public.

I sort of agree with your sentiments about Superman and how he would handle some outrageously morally wrong issues. I don't think he needs to go to extremes but I do remember an epi of the George Reeve's series where he left some goons stranded on top of an iceberg. I don't really want to see him cause anyone's death but I also am not interested in a weak kneed version of the character.

[The Guard]

Superman isn't so much naive, in the comics, as he's hopeful. The comics and the writers of the comics have recognized this for years.

[RachelDawes]

Lois needs to be driven and ambitious but they should keep away from some of they Lois Lane cliches. And she doesn't need to call Clark "Smallville" EVER. Clark is NOT a dumb farmboy. I despise that whole angle. Her romance with Superman should grow as much out her agreement for what he is fighting for as his personal charm and confidence and of course his amazing powers. The audience needs to understand 100%: if Superman lost his powers somehow, it would only slow him down, but it wouldn't stop him. What Kal took from the Kents wasn't silly farmboy naivete; instead it was a STRONG moral sense of right and wrong and a real determination to change things in any way possible, and outside of the legal system if need be.


I would like it if Lois were to start out calling Clark Smallville, whether because she's mocking his small town origins or she's just too busy to remember the name of the quiet new guy. She'll stop calling him that after he breaks his first big story. Lois and the audience need to see Clark develop some cred as a reporter.

[Timstuff]

Here's the #1 way to bring Superman into the 21st century:

DUMP THE DONNERVERSE!

[Learnedcitizen]

Oops, Double POst :woot:

[Learnedcitizen]

At a different board, I wrote a rather lengthy re-imagining of the Superman Mythos that lends itself to greater relevancy and characterization IMO:

The Superman reboot has to be a character-driven story arc with mature undertones for adult audiences. It should be a personal story filmed on an epic scale. Which means that the first part of the film should explain his motivation for becoming "The Man of Steel" and how his early life leads him to build a code of justice and humanitarian service.

Part I

The first part of the film should emphasize Clark Kent at his most apathetic; squarely in adolescence, at an age where he remains bitter, insecure, and unsure of his place in Smallville.

At a young age, he is taken in and adopted by a Midwestern couple, Martha and Jonathan Kent, who raise Clark with their "All-American" son. His adoptive family work tirelessly to provide a wholesome and "normal" childhood, but he continues to feel something of an outsider - living up to, but unable to fully understand the values of his "home." He is a nervous, bumbling, seemingly dimwitted boy who makes several attempt to blend in - only to fail. Well aware of Clark's physical gifts and talents -- and yet concerned for his safety -- Jonathan angrily prohibits his adopted son from using them. While encouraging him to remain indoors whenever possible, Martha, the more affectionate mother, stokes Clark's love of reading and writing. Suddenly, an incident occurs between the two boys, where Clark's brother dies, and Clark cannot to save him -- unwilling to use his powers at a crucial moment when they are needed. His relationship with his parents quickly deteriorates, and Clark blames himself for the death of his brother. Burdened with guilt, and convinced that he will never be able to accept him for who he truly is, he enters a pilgrimage, traveling the world seeking to find himself -- only to run into constant injustice aimed towards the powerless. Disappointed and disillusioned by what he witnesses, he arrives in Alaska - at one of the most northernmost, and desolate points of the country. Here, in this self-imposed exile, Clark meets a blind man who's condition is an exact opposite of Clark's -- blind and physically weakened by years of unrewarded service, but whose wisdom and boundless optimism greatly inspires a young and cynical Clark. Clark assists the man in his day-to-day life, while the man assumes the role of a sage (who conveniently is unable to witness Clark's superhuman powers at their most unrestrained). During the prolonged darkness of artic winters, the lack of sunlight deprives Clark of his powers and drastically weakens him to the point of near-death. The blind man, whose sight is always nothing but darkness, takes care of him during these crucial times, teaching Clark the values of self-reliance, humility, patriotism, cheerfulness, and courage. Soon, he is able to muster the strength and will to preserver at his most weakest. This experience helps forge Clark's identity as he finally learns to forgive himself and overcome his self-doubt, all while sensing his potential to do good against injustice. By happenstance, he comes across a patch of ice that seem engrained with an unusual "S' symbol...

Clark returns to a Smallville he no longer recognizes: rural America in the Post-Industrial World. Lexicorop is monopolizing agriculture and putting families out of work, homes are being foreclosed, a meth epidemic has torn the community apart, and ethnic tensions are running rampant over immigration. The residents of Smalltown are no longer able to recognize Clark Kent, and are amazed when they hear of his escapades and his sudden interest in becoming a journalist for the public good! His parents, amazed by the radical change and his personal growth, finally decide to reveal the secrets of his arrival on Earth. He is handed a Medallion bearing the unusual "S" symbol. Clark is unsettled, until he realizes that the device is key to literally "unlocking his past." He returns to Alaska to find that the Old Man has vanished -- his home and the surrounding communities have been uprooted by Lexcorp oil drillers. Clark uses the device to discover his "Fortress of Solitude" and message stored by his parents.Inside, a hologram of Clark's father appears; Jor-El explains his origins, Krypton, his parents, about how his planet was destroyed and how he’s supposedly the last of his kind. He also tells Clark about his powers and responsibilities to protect Earth and humankind from the same fate. Also, Clark learns that the "S" symbol is his family's crest, symbolizing hope for a the future. Inspired, Clark finally is able to come to terms with his past and his alienating powers -- realizing that he was brought to this world destined to do good. His acceptance of his past and who he is, empowers him to become Superman.

Part II

In this part, Clark evolves into the Vintage-Superman of 1930s -- the "Defender of Truth and Justice" echoing the liberal idealism of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal and fighting for social justice against tyranny. Clark enters Metropolis, just before a Katrina-Style Hurricane is due to engulf the city. The city's establishment, enamored in wealth and prosperity, is caught woefully unprepared and its neglected citizen's left utterly defenseless. Till now, Clark -- an up-and-coming journalist for the Daily Planet -- has stood by and watched the city's poorest suffer. Finally, he summons up the courage to bring relief to the victims of the hurricane - donning the emblem of his homeland as a coat-of-arms and tribute. He emerges from the natural disaster as a public hero known as "Superman", who crowds hails as someone who can bring the city back on its feet. As Metropolis struggles to rebuild itself amid rampant crime, political corruption, corporate greed, bureaucratic incompetence, and ethnic distrust, Superman seems to be the only one willing to step in as a social activist. Throughout the film, he fights crooked businessmen and politicians and demolishes run-down tenements (a la vintage superman).

Against this backdrop, he antagonizes Lex Luthor -- a charismatic businessman, famed inventor, revered philanthropist, and so-called favorite son", who thinks of himself as the ultimate hero and humanitarian... until Superman arrives to steal his glory. I like Chiptooth's description of Howard Hughes and Gordon Gekko as possible influences for his eccentric mannerisms (Hughes) and vain, unemphatic personality (Gekko). But my preference would be to portray Luthor as a cunning, sardonic, morally-ambivalent manipulator who has used his influence and money to shape Metropolis' political climate with impunity. As Metropolis' "favorite son", he promises to rebuild the city with advanced technology and new industries for economic growth. And yet his disregard for ethics undermines any hope for a just and honorable recovery...until Superman arrives. Unable to bribe Superman or place him in his "pocket," he is determined to uncover the truth behind him and mounts a campaign to have his "vigilante tactics" outlawed. Luthor soon becomes a vocal critic against Superman, cautioning the public against such a powerful man, and using his political and underworld connections to turn the city against him. His obsession stems from his misguided reactionary attitudes towards Superman (e.g. he firmly believes that an extra-terrestial presence is a danger to humanity) and his love of power and the status-quo.

Also, in a reboot, I'd like to see the traditional dynamic between Superman/Clark and Loius Lane as a hardened "tough-as-nails" journalist attracted to Superman, but displeased with her new journalistic competition in the form of Kent. In my vision for a reboot, Louis is investigative journalist and whistleblower of Lex Luthor's questionable business practices and corrupt influence on Metropolis. She is a successful journalist who has received numerous awards and offers from more prestigious papers, and even proposals to appear on television with her own show. Still, Louis decides to stay with The Daily Planet, cause she sees it as the "last honest act in town" and the only remaining bulwark against the city's crime and corruption. However, like much of the journalism industry, the Daily Planet suffering from financial woes, and Lex Luthor (who controls the local media) is threatening to take-over the publication and use it to further glorifying his positive public image. While still being portrayed with the traditional straits of her character (strong, opinionated, yet sensitive) I don't want her to be the damsel-in-distress, but moreso an assertive and passionate woman who finds herself inspired by Superman's arrival, and perhaps motivated to persist in her own cause to save the Daily Planet against Luthor, who increasingly resorts to using his criminal connections to intimidate her and the paper's editors.

At the risk of generating controversy, I think it would be cool to have Lex Luthor be responsible for the collapse of the levees (them having been built by Lexcop, and him knowing that they were inadequate) as an attempt to destroy the city and re-build it with lexcorp being the #1 in the town, and Lex being hailed a hero for helping rebuilt it. Lois would be the investigator who uncovers this, and Lex would attempt to have her killed before she write her damming story.

Also, I want to portray Lana Lang as a Senator or public figure of sorts (...I'm thinking the Mayor of Metropolis!). While still a political animal, she could be a figurative extension of Smallville, who, like her small hometown, finds her integrity under siege and compromised by Lex Luthor's influence, until she summons up the will to stand up against Lex Luthor at the risk of losing her career. You could tinker with these factors to make for an interesting plot (perhaps stoking up Lana's and Clark's romantic tension - and inserting Louis in the mix) but in the in the end of the arc, Superman should be deputized as a legitimate agent of law enforcement, and Lex Luthor's public image as an honest and respectable businessman and pillar of community is shattered (although he manages to avoid imprisonment while he plans for his revenge on Superman - paving the way for a sequel!).

Part III

I haven't been able to write up a premise for the climatic part of this arc, but Superman needs a opponent that not only challenges his physical strengths, but also his core beliefs towards humanity. Brainiac would be perfect (armed with Kryptonite of course!) but he cannot be some plot device that brings forth action and special effects. His mission should be to destroy Earth, but he recognizes Superman as both an obstacle and potential ally. In return for his aid, Brainiac not only offers Superman the chance to become closer with his homeland (supplying him with his pocket-dimension virtual-reality of Krypton) but reveals that he may not be the last of his kind after all. He offers him assistance in reuniting with those who escaped his planet's destruction, and will spare the Earthlings of his choosing (provided that Braniac could keep them as part of his collection). Brainiac ought to be a reminder of the world Clark has lost, and perhaps he could be seen as a foil -- Superman as his polar opposite would be -- one that is the embodiment of Nietzsche's "Superman" -- a cold, calculating alien who has transcended the limitations of society, religion, and conventional morality to become a force capable of destroying entire planets. Clark, on the other hand, discovers himself as an alien, gifted with incredible powers, but who chooses to honor and ultimately defend human moral codes in the name of good.

Brainiac should be capable of messing with Superman's psychologically, by poising a moral dillemma regarding his ideals, past and origins. Perhaps Brainiac tries to conjure up pictures of Jer-El, trying to convince superman that Earth is not worth saving, because men like Lex Luthor will always remain in power and inflict injustice, and that whatever Superman does for humans, they will never accept him as one of their own. Of course, he resists, and fights an epic battle. In the end, Superman transmits a message to all surviving Kryptonites in space, telling them that they have a new home on Earth.

[Frodo]

Superman isn't so much naive, in the comics, as he's hopeful. The comics and the writers of the comics have recognized this for years.

I think this is what he needs to be in the new film. If anything he's an idealist . He's someone who see's humanity's problems and believes he can fix them to make a better world. I don't wanna see the naive farmboy of SV. I wanna see someone who's intellegent,thoughtful and hopeful.

[DavidTyler]

IMO - They need to give the franchise a new start with a great science fiction beginning on Krypton. An epic tale about a well fleshed out Krypton.

From there, we need a Smallville story that shows how that childhood shaped his perspectives. I actually like that Martha/masher scene from someones fanscript. I think it explained Clark's fear of his own abilities.

Then... Metropolis ... which needs to be as believable as Law and Order:SVU. It needs to be able to mesh with Nolan's Gotham. The supporting cast has to mesh with who they are in the comix and who they can be in live action. I think the Timm/Dini series is an excellent jumping-off point for that.

The characterization of Superman needs to be 'Clark is who I am, Superman is what I do'. And there has to be AN END to NERDY Clark and NAIVE Superman. Clark has seen too much of the world to be out of touch with it's all too human foibles ... even in the best of people.

The antagonist's plot needs to be something believable (and no more Luthor land-grabs). Luthor needs to be in the franchise but as the Corporate Luthor that the vast majority of us on the Hype LOVE. Luthor the scientific genious who learned long ago how to turn that genious into legitmate dollars and whose quest for power makes him a master manipulator. A Luthor who hates Superman because he's usurping his place in Metropolis as it's favourite son.

[Fresh Prince]

IMO - They need to give the franchise a new start with a great science fiction beginning on Krypton. An epic tale about a well fleshed out Krypton.

From there, we need a Smallville story that shows how that childhood shaped his perspectives. I actually like that Martha/masher scene from someones fanscript. I think it explained Clark's fear of his own abilities.

Then... Metropolis ... which needs to be as believable as Law and Order:SVU. It needs to be able to mesh with Nolan's Gotham.

The characterization of Superman needs to be 'Clark is who I am, Superman is what I do'. And there has to be AN END to NERDY Clark and NAIVE Superman. Clark has seen too much of the world to be out of touch with it's all too human foibles ... even in the best of people.

The antagonist's plot needs to be something believable (and no more Luthor land-grabs). Luthor needs to be in the franchise but as the Corporate Luthor that the vast majority of us on the Hype LOVE. Luthor the scientific genious who learned long ago how to turn that genious into legitmate dollars and who's quest for power makes him a master manipulator. A Luthor who hates Superman because he's usurping his place in Metropolis as it's favourite son.

No no the Law & Order SVU part is just fine we do not need all that Nolan Gotham part. Metropolis a light city not dark.

[Fresh Prince]

I think this is what he needs to be in the new film. If anything he's an idealist . He's someone who see's humanity's problems and believes he can fix them to make a better world. I don't wanna see the naive farmboy of SV. I wanna see someone who's intellegent,thoughtful and hopeful.

Yeah SV Superman a *****.

[DavidTyler]

No no the Law & Order SVU part is just fine we do not need all that Nolan Gotham part. Metropolis a light city not dark.

You misunderstand.

What I meant was that it needs to feel like a real city ... not some fantasy or cartoon idea of what a city would look and feel like.

Also, Nolan's Gotham had daylight. It wasn't ALL dark. It also has it's uptown and it's lower quarters. Nolan's Gotham has 'the Narrows' while Metropolis has things like 'Suicide Slum'. In order for Metropolis to be a fully realized backdrop, it needs to have diversity.

[Fresh Prince]

You misunderstand.

What I meant was that it needs to feel like a real city ... not some fantasy or cartoon idea of what a city would look and feel like.

Also, Nolan's Gotham had daylight. It wasn't ALL dark. It also has it's uptown and it's lower quarters. Nolan's Gotham has 'the Narrows' while Metropolis has things like 'Suicide Slum'. In order for Metropolis to be a fully realized backdrop, it needs to have diversity.

Oh okay I get you so you want a New York City/Gotham City look and feel? Also why they called it the Suicide Slums. See I never knew Metropolis had its dark parts of the cities I thought it was all light.

[StorminNorman]

No city is spotless - Metropolis shouldn't be either.

Honestly I would rather have Metropolis start out darker than it normally is portrayed and have Superman make it the golden city we know.

[Fresh Prince]

No city is spotless - Metropolis shouldn't be either.

Honestly I would rather have Metropolis start out darker than it normally is portrayed and have Superman make it the golden city we know.

You want it to be Gotham City dark or Sin City dark? Or both.

[Superman Prime]

I like the idea of Metropolis being closer to Gotham City when Superman is gone. Superman doesn't become one with the dark like Batman, he expels it. So if we go the gritty Metropolis route, they need to make it a point for Superman to change that around.

[Fresh Prince]

I like the idea of Metropolis being closer to Gotham City when Superman is gone. Superman doesn't become one with the dark like Batman, he expels it. So if we go the gritty Metropolis route, they need to make it a point for Superman to change that around.

Agreed. Plus it be more effective if Superman clears a dark city and make it light then clear an already light city. Metropolis should be a mixture of Gotham City and Sin City. Mobsters, gangters, corrupt politicians, corrupt law enforcement, corrupt buisnessman, crazy people, rapists, serial killers., drug dealers, wife beaters, KKK. Superman should clear all of them out. A mixture of godlen age and silver age Superman.

[Superman Prime]

Agreed. Plus it be more effective if Superman clears a dark city and make it light then clear an already light city. Metropolis should be a mixture of Gotham City and Sin City. Mobsters, gangters, corrupt politicians, corrupt law enforcement, corrupt buisnessman, crazy people, rapists, serial killers., drug dealers, wife beaters, KKK. Superman should clear all of them out. A mixture of godlen age and silver age Superman.

Precisely.

[Christmas]

Agreed. Plus it be more effective if Superman clears a dark city and make it light then clear an already light city. Metropolis should be a mixture of Gotham City and Sin City. Mobsters, gangters, corrupt politicians, corrupt law enforcement, corrupt buisnessman, crazy people, rapists, serial killers., drug dealers, wife beaters, KKK. Superman should clear all of them out. A mixture of godlen age and silver age Superman.


That sounds kind of fascist to me personally. Superman takes care of the big problems: earthquakes, alien invasions, mass crises, etc not things honest people should take care of within the bounds of the law, imo.

[Superman Prime]

If Superman sees a woman being violated in the alleys or someone being robbed, he isn't going to shrug and say "Oh well. I'll leave it to the authorities." If the authorities were insufficient like they were in Gotham before Batman arrived, you can be sure Superman would take care of natural disasters as well as the common, petty criminals.

[Ursa]

Superman cannot change;

Clark Kent doesn't have to be a dumb, just a kind of "invisible person", but a very smart reporter;

Lois Lane must be the ultimate strong and independent woman, and an experient and clever reporter, and also very feminine;

Lex Luthor must be a powerfull and corrupt businness man, ambitious, he does everything when he wants something, his business are almost like a mafia (maybe it really is);

The movie cannot be dark, Superman is much more similar to Spiderman than Batman.

[Christmas]

well of course he would, in SR he stopped that guy holding up the deli on the security camera. He should be depicted going out on patrol and helping people out everyday across the planet. No question. I agree with you. The presence of Superman to the citizens of Metropolis in a film should be a huge shot in the arm and fill them with hope and inspire them to do better for themselves.

He can't be everywhere at once though. there would be no end to that task. He has his own life too ya know.

But imho, he shouldn't involve himself in political conflicts unless innocent bystanders are in harm's way. He shouldn't 'clear out' corrupt pols, he should help bring them to justice in concert with authorities where he can, and also do it in his journalistic capacities as well.

[Fresh Prince]

That sounds kind of fascist to me personally. Superman takes care of the big problems: earthquakes, alien invasions, mass crises, etc not things honest people should take care of within the bounds of the law, imo.

Yeah but he needs to fight them guys too. They come first before the aliens do. Besides I understand he cannot be everywere at once but cops are pussies. They afraid to do their job. They see a women getting raped 90% of the time they say lets wait and call back up. WTF?!?! They afraid to take action. Thats why no one likes the cops no more and loo kup to them as heores plus they corrupt.

Superman gonna have to take action. And plus he needs to take out the corrupt before he faces the aliens. Before Superman's presence Metropolis has to have one of the worst crime rates in the country. But after his arrival and afterawhile they have one of the lowest. Thats how Metropolis will have to be taken care of. Start out Gotham/Sin City like then go into a nice clean un corrupt city. Sure their still bad guys out their but still not alot as their was before Superman came their.

[RachelDawes]

That sounds kind of fascist to me personally. Superman takes care of the big problems: earthquakes, alien invasions, mass crises, etc not things honest people should take care of within the bounds of the law, imo.

It's not fascist to bring criminals to justice. Superman isn't arbitrarily making the rules on his own; he's enforcing democratically legislated laws.

[Crook]

By that reasoning, Supes should hand himself in.

[RachelDawes]

^What laws have Superman broken?

[B]

Flying without a license?

Breaking the speed limit?

[Cosmic]

^What laws have Superman broken?

I just finished reading some of the classic stories from 1939-1940, and based on those, I'd have to say:

-Trespassing
-Vigilantism
-Breaking & entering
-Assault & battery
-Grand Larceny

...at least!

[Crook]

^What laws have Superman broken?
Vigilantism.

[afan]

I just finished reading some of the classic stories from 1939-1940, and based on those, I'd have to say:

-Trespassing
-Vigilantism
-Breaking & entering
-Assault & battery
-Grand Larceny

...at least!

At that time perhaps, but you are focussing on one year out of seventy.

Re. vigilantism........
Being vigilant is not a crime........however
a vigilante.........by definition somebody who punishes lawbreakers personally rather than relying on the legal authorities, is.
How does that apply to Superman?

[Angeloz]

Also didn't the newer comics have him be authorised by the Metropolitan Police in some way? Plus I don't know if it's official but I think the JLA have some sort of international backing. Possibly also American. I could be wrong. Is he still part of that? If not there's the U.N. and the Federal Government that could give him authorisation in some things. Although does insurance pay out act of supervillain or hero payments? ;) :D

Angeloz

[Crook]

a vigilante.........by definition somebody who punishes lawbreakers personally rather than relying on the legal authorities, is.
How does that apply to Superman?
The strict definition is one who defies the law to further justice. Violence is not a requirement. There are plenty of cases where the cops "should" have been the ones to handle things, but Supes ends up doing all the work.

It's a bit tricky to interpret since he's superpowered, but by definition he fits the criteria.

[Fresh Prince]

Superman in 1939-1940 was agressive.

[RachelDawes]

Vigilantism.

Somehow real-life "superheroes" like Master Legend get away with it.

If I were Superman, I'd argue I was making a citizen's arrest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_arrest):

Each state, with the exception of North Carolina, permits citizen arrests if the commission of a felony is witnessed by the arresting citizen, or when a citizen is asked to assist in the apprehension of a suspect by police. The application of state laws varies widely with respect to misdemeanors, breaches of the peace, and felonies not witnessed by the arresting party. American citizens do not carry the authority or enjoy the legal protections of police, and are held to the principle of strict liability before the courts of civil- and criminal law including but not limited to any infringement of another's rights.

I guess we should assume Superman hasn't violated anyone's civil rights yet.

[RachelDawes]

Also didn't the newer comics have him be authorised by the Metropolitan Police in some way? Plus I don't know if it's official but I think the JLA have some sort of international backing. Possibly also American. I could be wrong. Is he still part of that? If not there's the U.N. and the Federal Government that could give him authorisation in some things. Although does insurance pay out act of supervillain or hero payments? ;) :D

Angeloz

I wouldn't be surprised if the writers decided to cover Superman's behind that way.

[BULLITT]

A receptive audience that is not hell-bent on rehashing what it has already seen before.

[TheNorwegian]

How about making a story set in the future? Or in the past, for that matter. But it may not be possible to create a completely new story unless the surroundings are completely changed.

Greetings from Glenn
Editor, planetorigo.com
The sci-fi movie specialist

[Fresh Prince]

Yeah have the movie take place in 2000 in a futuristic world.

[NewAvenger4]

nah

[daywalker2007]

if Iron man with a haggard Downey Jr and a leatherfaced comeback king Mickey Rourke can excite people with that leaked footage, then there is no reason why Superman cannot do the same.

For starters, the cinematography, and everything needs to be spectacular.

It has to be greater than The Dark Knights. Whoever comes on board needs to film in IMAX, make it an event that the general audience cannot afford to miss.

Also, the colors need to be crisp and clear, bright reds and bright blue.

No need for the 50s style color pallette that was in Superman Returns.
I mean, technically, Superman Returns visually was perfect for its directors own vision, was was a sort of 50s style color scheme with muted stylings and schemes.

But the general audience didn't seem overly enthusiastic.

So to bring Superman into the 21st century.
Give him an epic battle with an enemy, some fist fighting.
We need to see beatiful flying scenes, around earth, in space, close up shots, visual shots that will make your gonads drop.

Take a leaf out of Kubricks 2001 for how to concentrate on objects and bob will be the uncle and fanny the aunt. We want to see Superman take off in full view, not from the waist up, and floating like he is being held by a string.

In superman returns we didn't get a single decent take off scene, Superman 3 wiped the floor with it, thats how rubbish they were!

A must is also to film in IMAX for specific battle scenes just to give the fanboys and geeks some mild excitement, and force them into IMAX like The Dark Knight.

Preferably hire Vangelis to do the score, especially since it seems they won't want to use the John Williams score themes. I see no other person worthy of making a score to match Williams other than the God himself, Vangelis!

Please.

If we get all those, the big bucks will come rolling in. I would bet Megan Fox's underwear on it.

[Fresh Prince]

Movie was like it took place in 1950s.

[Webhead2006]

some nice points u bring up daywalker.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

WTF does RDJ's "haggard" face and MR's "leather" face have to do with anything?

People are excited about the footage because the footage was good and the first movie was damn good fun so we are hoping for seconds.

[SuperDaniel]

Superman doesn't need reinvention. He needs compeling and fun storytelling.

Superman needs to be shown right for once on the big screen. And when i mean right, i mean the themes, the story needs to lift us and show us how one man can make a difference. We need to leave the theaters feeling damn good about being humans and how everyone on earth is special and worth saving: 'Cause if an alien cares so much about us and is willing to sacrifice everything for us, then we all should.

We need to leave the theaters feeling we all can fly. We can all be better if we chose to. THe neverending battle.

This is what Superman does to me.

If we are able to believe in the american dream as portrayed by norman rockwell, in the human spirit and capacity for greatness, than the filmakers have done their job right.

That's all we ask.

[SuperDaniel]

double post

[Webhead2006]

I to hope they next time around make it a more well rounded film with better themes, include the better known/liked comic elements, etc.....

[TheNorwegian]

Preferably hire Vangelis to do the score, especially since it seems they won't want to use the John Williams score themes. I see no other person worthy of making a score to match Williams other than the God himself, Vangelis!

Interesting suggestion. But, as much as I like Vangelis too, he is completely wrong for this kind of movie. A Superman movie, which is about a character larger than life, needs big epic music of a kind that Vangelis cannot or will not produce, not even when he's in symphonic mode. "Mythodea" was close, but would not fit in a movie.

No, they need to bring back John Williams, or someone of his grandness.

Greetings from Glenn
Editor, planetorigo.com
The sci-fi movie specialist

[Webhead2006]

Well now with siegels getting more of the origin elements they have alot more to work with if they do take the character away from wb/dc comics. Though really would majority of supes fans want to see a 60-70% superman at another company compared to 100% supes at dc???? Could it be as sucessful as the character has been or would it ultimately fail?

[Showtime]

What Is Needed To Bring Superman Into The 21st Century?

Lawyers.

[Webhead2006]

Yea wb/dc need a better laywer at this rate.

[Angeloz]

As I've been saying it's called make a deal.

Angeloz

[GreenKToo]

It saddens me to think that SR could be the last time we see Superman on film as we know him.:(
I really hope an agreement is reached between the parties so that can be avoided.

[-Superman-]

Superman needs 2xtime tighter suit then in Superman Returns.

[Webhead2006]

GReenktoo i totally agree i would hate to see SR being the last wb superman if thats the case. But we will jsut have to see how any upcoming court changes for the siegels play out, and what will then happen when shuster family members come into play when they are legally able to in 2013. I do really really hope within the next few years wb/dc can get into good serious talks between both families and iron out any issues they have over the copyright and dc/wb stake on things. So then they can strike a deal to keep superman fully intact and then post 2013 wb/dc just have to pay a license fee over the elements the families own officially under copyright law.