Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread

[FlawlessVictory]

I give this movie an 8/10. A notch below the first one which I give a 9/10. The main problem I had with this movie was the humor. It was overdone and just childish.

It was good to see Soundwave, loved the voice and how his character was utilized. I hope we see more of him in the next film. Ravage was nice to see and I liked how they introduced the idea of searching for Energon in this film. Enjoyed the nod to Galvatron with a rebuilt tanklike Megatron. Got a kick out of Jetfire, and Wheelie for the most part was pretty funny.

I wish we could have seen more of the Fallen and have a longer fight with OP at the end. Seemed there was more potential there that could have been tapped into. Otherwise, great action/transforming/fight sequences. Just please cut down on the childish humor for the next one.

[BlackLantern]

People, friends;

If a film doesn't appeal to your liking why can't you just proclaim that and by all means tell the rest of us why. What's happening here, and what happens with most bay movies in general I've noticed, is that people begin to lob grandiose statements about the majority of the movie going audience or insults implying that that if you liked it you are a neanderthal or perv or a sheep or a supporter of soul-less cinema.
At the same time, a critic, that is put off by his audience critiquing his own critiques pokes at their intelligence. You'll see all that and more in this very thread.

why wasn't the "bad" film wolverine: origins received this way?

truly something to think about


...bring on TF3

good post....and as an addendum....putting the word FACT after a statement doesn't make it so....a lot of that is going around lately and its quite silly

[Rock Sexton]

Wow, that's a lot.

LOL ......whoops........MILLIONS......that's what happens when I catch up on my political current events while also trying to bang out a response here.

[Rock Sexton]

why wasn't the "bad" film wolverine: origins received this way?

truly something to think about


...bring on TF3

Expectations for ROTF were on another level compared to Wolverine. It's not even a fair comparison. The first one no doubt paved the way for extremely high expectations. By the BO numbers, it looks like a successful campaign, but when you start perusing various internet boards, critics, and pseudo-critics, it's quite clear the movie didn't even begin to touch the potential that was expected.

It had the following and the force behind it to go down as one of those epic sequels that wins fans across the board. Instead we got an expensive and derisive piece of film that could've been much better.

[The Lizard]

People, friends;

If a film doesn't appeal to your liking why can't you just proclaim that and by all means tell the rest of us why. What's happening here, and what happens with most bay movies in general I've noticed, is that people begin to lob grandiose statements about the majority of the movie going audience or insults implying that that if you liked it you are a neanderthal or perv or a sheep or a supporter of soul-less cinema.
At the same time, a critic, that is put off by his audience critiquing his own critiques pokes at their intelligence. You'll see all that and more in this very thread.

why wasn't the "bad" film wolverine: origins received this way?

truly something to think about

...bring on TF3

Friends, Romans, countrymen...

First, Most of the critics of ROTF are indeed posting their initial criticisms explaining what they didn't like and why. It's the resulting pig-pile of "What? You're just a Bay-hater!" and "You don't know how to have fun at the movies!" that usually results in some pointed comments about the more outspoken fans of the movie. Not in every case, but often.

I posted a negative review after seeing an advance screening and was immediately besieged by ROTF supporters calling into question my powers of observation BEFORE they even saw the movie for themselves. So yeah, it goes both ways.

Second, Wolverine was indeed torn apart a LOT on these boards, that is indisputable. However, Wolverine's box office was only "good" (currently $170 mil US), not blockbuster level. Plus, the director of Wolverine is still pretty much a no-name that doesn't have a debatable "style" or a rabid fanbase like Michael Bay. That, coupled with the two-months ago time factor, is why emotions are running much higher for ROTF.

Truly a deep, deep philosophical issue to think about and wax introspective over...

Bring on TF3 -- so we can find out once and for all if the writer's strike was really responsible for most of what was wrong with ROTF. :cwink:

[Lunar_Wolf]

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[djkris]

Well, I just came back from my viewing of TF: ROTF. And even if my mind hurts and my @@ are swollen (one can take that much of Megan Fox οn a giant screen), I decided to share a review with you.

The beginning was good in terms of pacing, action and introducing Optimus by having him transforming in mid-air was very cool. And I kept looking for something to bash, but the movie was progressing rather well. Having Megan Fox perfectly lit and shot at with a hi-def camera does some...things in your...metabolism too. It was only after the Kitchen Decepticons appeared that I started cringing. But still, the movie had good pacing and I found myself having a good time.

I enjoyed viewing a College in the "Bayverse". Cool cribs with top-notch PC's and HD TVs, half-naked, half-dressed chicks walking around, parties and killer bots...Killer bots? That look like Isabel Lucas? So far so good. I can accept the ol' Terminatrix plot (surely, she must have killed the human version and take her place, because registering in a college BEFORE your target does, would be silly). I can even thank Michael Bay for giving me gratuitous shots of her... you know, but once she was revealed to be a Pretender and did that tongue thing, it was beginning to surpass my "TOO MUCH" indicator. It looked very bad and was overdone after the first 3 seconds.

All the bad parts that critics and fans point at were there: The Twins are 2009's Jar Jar Binks, void of character development and sense of humor. That Leo guy that was put there as a sidekick was way too annoying for me (the "Oh-My-God" is this movie's "No!No!No!No!No!No!"). And there was also something else, I couldn't put my finger on it, but about 30 minutes before the end, it hit me: This movie is OVER-MILITARIZED to the point of ridicule! OK, I can accept the Autobots working with the US Army, but Bay overdid it: At one point, a military guy (I can't even remember all the ranks), reports of some "PSDs that found some traces of IGAs moving towards the POM. Have the TEVs ready to launch in OH-6-Bravo-Ten" or something. And then the scene changes to the &$"§% PENTAGON!! And after that to some soldiers in the desert, fighting the Decepticons with..machine guns? Like that ever stopped a single alien, let alone GIANT,NEARLY-INDESTRUCTIBLE ROBOTS! And more airplanes, tanks and even an EXPERIMENTAL RAY GUN??? Big minus here... They could edit out the military scenes and save half an hour of screen time, without any lack of plot (?) development.

Another big minus, spotted half-way into the movie, was the constant cursing. A-hole? Mother.....? P&/%? While I am not to be offended by those, I found out that they took me out of the movie. They felt forced and bad-delivered.

The movie peaked for me when the Autobots arrived to save Sam from getting scalped until the forest battle and Optimus' death. There was something awesome about..let me think...oh, yes, robots actually shooting and fighting each other! And all in spectacular blending with the environment, with 50 explosions per second and Steve "I am the next Hans Zimmer when it comes to militaristic soundtracks" Jablonsky's score sending pleasure waves to my ears.

After that, it was dragging a bit. Jetfire was good in concept but I wasn't THAT impressed by him. The fart/old-guy slapstick didn't help either and his sacrifice near the end felt a bit forced, but the result was still cool.

The Fallen was very interesting, a Palpatine to Megatron's Vader (he even says "my apprentice" at one point) but also a bit underused.

I could also live with a little less Agent Simmons. He was over the top but still, the german audience seemed to LOVE him, I mean, like, they were laughing at everything he said or did.

This is it more or less. The plot doesn't take much more analysis, I think :P
Despite my negative tone, I give it 4/5,while I deliberately ignore all its faults, just because, in the end, I had a good time.:oldrazz:

[SsM]

Guys, TF2 is not the death of cinema



Macgruber: The Motion Picture, however... Will be.

[Rock Sexton]

Guys, TF2 is not the death of cinema


If TF: ROTF isn't then TF3: LMAO will surely be. :grin:

[Episode29]

Guys, TF2 is not the death of cinema

I agree. This hyperbole is getting out of control.

It's only the crippling of cinema.

[Pagrebo]

I'll keep it simple: WORST movie I've EVER seen in a theater. No character or story development, horrendous script, lousy acting and direction, plotholes that the galaxy could pass through, and humor that looked like something you might expect from a soft-core porn film. This movie is just plain bad.

[nintendo nerd]

I'll keep it simple: WORST movie I've EVER seen in a theater. No character or story development, horrendous script, lousy acting and direction, plotholes that the galaxy could pass through, and humor that looked like something you might expect from a soft-core porn film. This movie is just plain bad.

I love you :yay:

[Sarge 2.0]

I agree. This hyperbole is getting out of control.

It's only the crippling of cinema.Yeah. It's like the polio virus of modern movies.

[terry78]

I'll keep it simple: WORST movie I've EVER seen in a theater. No character or story development, horrendous script, lousy acting and direction, plotholes that the galaxy could pass through, and humor that looked like something you might expect from a soft-core porn film. This movie is just plain bad.

So you've never seen a Ben Affleck movie in a theatre, is what you're saying.

[Jake Cassidy]

So you've never seen a Ben Affleck movie in a theatre, is what you're saying.

Has anyone? :woot:

[Episode29]

Ben Affleck bashing? Did I just step out of a time machine in the year 2006?

[CEREBRAL....]

I did give ROTF 5/10 you know. I didn't hate every aspect of the film (I loved Ravage, for example).
However, we're at a point now where the outspoken fans of ROTF have had their say about how super-awesome everything was, and it's honestly more fun and interesting for those of us who DIDN'T love the movie to compare notes on all the stuff that was wrong with it.
So yeah, maybe not all the negative criticism is valid, but when a movie has as much "WTF" elements in it as ROTF, that criticism is going to go on a long time, so get used to it.




Friends, Romans, countrymen...



First, Most of the critics of ROTF are indeed posting their initial criticisms explaining what they didn't like and why. It's the resulting pig-pile of "What? You're just a Bay-hater!" and "You don't know how to have fun at the movies!" that usually results in some pointed comments about the more outspoken fans of the movie. Not in every case, but often.



I posted a negative review after seeing an advance screening and was immediately besieged by ROTF supporters calling into question my powers of observation BEFORE they even saw the movie for themselves. So yeah, it goes both ways.



Bring on TF3 -- so we can find out once and for all if the writer's strike was really responsible for most of what was wrong with ROTF.

:applaud yup my scentiments exactly!!!

[Mr. Para-Normal]

People, friends;

If a film doesn't appeal to your liking why can't you just proclaim that and by all means tell the rest of us why. What's happening here, and what happens with most bay movies in general I've noticed, is that people begin to lob grandiose statements about the majority of the movie going audience or insults implying that that if you liked it you are a neanderthal or perv or a sheep or a supporter of soul-less cinema.
At the same time, a critic, that is put off by his audience critiquing his own critiques pokes at their intelligence. You'll see all that and more in this very thread.

why wasn't the "bad" film wolverine: origins received this way?

truly something to think about


...bring on TF3

Well put Marvin! All these Elitist who insult others for liking the movie really need to get a life. I LOL at them really because this movie still made a crap load of money dispite critics and haters. I will admit this movie dose have flaws and I could have done without somethings but I was still entertained through the movie and it seem the general public agrees.
I enjoyed this way more than I enjoyed Wolverine and Terminator was dissapointing and forgetable but not horrible like Woverine. Haters say what you will about the humor in this movie but aleast Bay didnt totally BUTCHER the characters like in Wolverine I mean they took a huge dump on Dead Pool and Gambit was useless even though the guy who played him did a decent job. Since the Gospel on Nolan came out every fanboy on this site bashes every other movie. ( Dont get me wrong I love the dark knight too but I am not comparing it to every other movie).

But do any of you insult or complain about those movies like you do here? Noo for some reason you think this movie is the worst ever even though it is not. I think people just hate bay and will hate any movie that he does. Sure he is arrogant at times but if he made a Transformers movie that was dark and serious and toned down the humor. Bay haters would still find something to complain and cry about and claim that the movie is horrible etc. So screw the haters bring on Transformers 3 lol.

[DarknessOfDeath]

People, friends;

If a film doesn't appeal to your liking why can't you just proclaim that and by all means tell the rest of us why. What's happening here, and what happens with most bay movies in general I've noticed, is that people begin to lob grandiose statements about the majority of the movie going audience or insults implying that that if you liked it you are a neanderthal or perv or a sheep or a supporter of soul-less cinema.
At the same time, a critic, that is put off by his audience critiquing his own critiques pokes at their intelligence. You'll see all that and more in this very thread.

why wasn't the "bad" film wolverine: origins received this way?

truly something to think about


...bring on TF3

Well put Marvin! All these Elitist who insult others for liking the movie really need to get a life. I LOL at them really because this movie still made a crap load of money dispite critics and haters. I will admit this movie dose have flaws and I could have done without somethings but I was still entertained through the movie and it seem the general public agrees.
I enjoyed this way more than I enjoyed Wolverine and Terminator was dissapointing and forgetable but not horrible like Woverine. Haters say what you will about the humor in this movie but aleast Bay didnt totally BUTCHER the characters like in Wolverine I mean they took a huge dump on Dead Pool and Gambit was useless even though the guy who played him did a decent job. Since the Gospel on Nolan came out every fanboy on this site bashes every other movie. ( Dont get me wrong I love the dark knight too but I am not comparing it to every other movie).

But do any of you insult or complain about those movies like you do here? Noo for some reason you think this movie is the worst ever even though it is not. I think people just hate bay and will hate any movie that he does. Sure he is arrogant at times but if he made a Transformers movie that was dark and serious and toned down the humor. Bay haters would still find something to complain and cry about and claim that the movie is horrible etc. So screw the haters bring on Transformers 3 lol.

Well said, Marvin and Mr. Para. :hehe:

[SsM]

Well put Marvin! All these Elitist who insult others for liking the movie really need to get a life. I LOL at them really because this movie still made a crap load of money dispite critics and haters. I will admit this movie dose have flaws and I could have done without somethings but I was still entertained through the movie and it seem the general public agrees.
I enjoyed this way more than I enjoyed Wolverine and Terminator was dissapointing and forgetable but not horrible like Woverine. Haters say what you will about the humor in this movie but aleast Bay didnt totally BUTCHER the characters like in Wolverine I mean they took a huge dump on Dead Pool and Gambit was useless even though the guy who played him did a decent job. Since the Gospel on Nolan came out every fanboy on this site bashes every other movie. ( Dont get me wrong I love the dark knight too but I am not comparing it to every other movie).

But do any of you insult or complain about those movies like you do here? Noo for some reason you think this movie is the worst ever even though it is not. I think people just hate bay and will hate any movie that he does. Sure he is arrogant at times but if he made a Transformers movie that was dark and serious and toned down the humor. Bay haters would still find something to complain and cry about and claim that the movie is horrible etc. So screw the haters bring on Transformers 3 lol.

1. There are people on both sides insulting the other, not just the people who don't like it.

2. God, I hear you man. Whenever I read a review and I see "TDK" I immediately stop reading it. I'm tired of everything getting compared to it.

3. Trust me, they complain about it everywhere, not just here.

4. You are probably right. :(

[The Guard]

(Waits for someone to assume they personally have been been called "elitist" to take offense).

[SsM]

(Waits for someone to assume they personally have been been called "elitist" to take offense).

Haha, it hasn't happened yet! Have hope.

[AnorexicBatman]

SIR! I have been offended!!! Deeply! Gravely! Offended!



:hehe:

[Sarge 2.0]

(Waits for someone to assume they personally have been been called "elitist" to take offense).I wouldn't get offended if I was personally called as such, since the usage of the word more often than not has a connotation of anti-intellectual pride.

In regards to the fact that he has been labeled "elitist" for his views on TF2:

"I am beginning to think there may be something to this notion of "the elites." Yes, correct usage is "the elite," but try explaining that to the people who use it. However you spell it, I hope I'm an "elitist." Who wouldn't want to be? Consider the alternative." - Roger Ebert

[Mr. Para-Normal]

SIR! I have been offended!!! Deeply! Gravely! Offended!



:hehe:


It really baffles me that you continue to come to these boards and you hated the movie so freakin much. And you called everyone who liked it a retard. Your the kind of person that I was refering to in my previous post. why dont you go back to the dark knight boards or something.

[AnorexicBatman]

Because I have the right to express my opinion?
A movie message board where you are only allowed to shout praise doesn't seem very fair.

Can I ask something?
Would it have been so bad to have humor that was wholesome and something you would see in a Saturday Morning Cartoon? The kind of stuff you would see in Scooby Doo or Jetsons?

I maen Bay can't do intelligent or witty humor so why not the kid friendly variety instead of fart and poop jokes? After all, as most of you have said, Transformers was a SATURDAY MORNING CARTOON

[BlackLantern]

Ive been called a bad person and less of a "true fan" for liking the movie

[AnorexicBatman]

People say that my expectations were too high.
It goes both ways, their expectations were too low.

Micheal Bay: Do I look like a guy with a script or talent? I just DO THINGS!

[BlackLantern]

People say that my expectations were too high.
It goes both ways, their expectations were too low.

Micheal Bay: Do I look like a guy with a script or talent? I just DO THINGS!

AB...lets just hug it out...:yay:

[kane9321]

I'll keep it simple: WORST movie I've EVER seen in a theater. No character or story development, horrendous script, lousy acting and direction, plotholes that the galaxy could pass through, and humor that looked like something you might expect from a soft-core porn film. This movie is just plain bad.

pretty much:woot:

well I did see "push" " wolverine" and that " chun-li" movie:csad: Those where worse, but not by much

[AnorexicBatman]

Anybody want to tackle my humor question?
About why it was not more PC? More child friendly?

[BlackLantern]

Anybody want to tackle my humor question?
About why it was not more PC? More child friendly?

I don't think Bay has ever gone for PC in his films

[Figs]

Anybody want to tackle my humor question?
About why it was not more PC? More child friendly?

Personally I would have wanted a middle ground. Not too juvenile but at the same time not too child friendly and ESPECIALLY not PC.

[The Guard]

Because PG humor tends to be safe, and turns a lot of people off. There's a reason the most successful comedies are either pandering kids movies or pandering raunchfests on some level. It's not like there's nothing but toilet humor in ROTF.

[Anti-Moderator]

I don't see how anyone could sit through this movie without a fast forward button. Someone should just edit all the robot fighting scenes together. I would buy a copy of that. The twins weren't as bad as I thought they would be...Sam's folks were more annoying than they were. The robots looked unbelievable....not design wise, but they were realistic for sure. Whoever wrote the dialog for the humans should have a brick thrown at them. The Transformers had the best dialogue for sure....they should have had alot more. Prime was awesome, Megs and Starscream were great together but the Fallen was lame and so was the "Apprentice and Master" BS. Megatron bows to NOBODY!! At least mine does.

[Mr. Para-Normal]

Because I have the right to express my opinion?
A movie message board where you are only allowed to shout praise doesn't seem very fair.

Can I ask something?
Would it have been so bad to have humor that was wholesome and something you would see in a Saturday Morning Cartoon? The kind of stuff you would see in Scooby Doo or Jetsons?

I maen Bay can't do intelligent or witty humor so why not the kid friendly variety instead of fart and poop jokes? After all, as most of you have said, Transformers was a SATURDAY MORNING CARTOON

Yes people do have the right to share their opinions whether they are postive or negative. I am not attacking you personaly Batman but I think its really stupid to go call people demeaning names because their opinions differ from yours. Thats just uncalled for and immature. I disliked Wolverine but I did not go into the wolverine boards and called people names because they might have liked it. I posted my opinions about the movie in a polite manner and moved on. I mean whats the point in staying in the boards if I hated the movie? Share your opinons on why you hated it and move on to a movie that you may like you know.


I have come the conclusion that people who HATE Micheal Bay will HATE any movie that he does. If Bay tones down the humor and has a dark serious storyline in Transformers 3 haters will Still find something to cry and whine about. Its simple you can't please everybody. Some of the humor in these movies can be cringe worthy but I think the goal with the humor is to entertain people but hey like I said you cant please
everybody.

Edit Something else that came to me Why in the world would anyone who disliked the first film go and see the second movie in the first place? It does not take a rocket scientist to conclude that if you disliked the first movie its most likely that you will dislike the second movie as well. Its common sense people lol seriously.

[CelticPredator]

I wont lie. Being negative is fun as hell. I enjoyed trashing Wolverine on the other boards...but I would NEVER insult anyone. Unlike like AE. So he needs to go. No he isnt allowed to express his opinion that way.

[AnorexicBatman]

The irony of the whole situation is that I actually liked the first one...
Also, I think CP means AB not AE...

[Anti-Moderator]

Soundwave sounding like Dr. Claw was a letdown too. The synthesized voice Soundwave had was one of the things that made him cool. The absence of it was strange...it almost feels like the creators of this franchise change things just for the sake of change.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I wont lie. Being negative is fun as hell. I enjoyed trashing Wolverine on the other boards...but I would NEVER insult anyone. Unlike like AE. So he needs to go. No he isnt allowed to express his opinion that way.

Good times!

[LinDuh]

Wouldn't it be so awesome if the cars of today were able to transform into autobots?Haha, that brings back fond memories of watching the first Transformers. After the movie was over and we were driving home, a semi was driving next to the car, and we're like, "Gosh it's like it's about to transform right in front of us!" Cars and trucks were never the same for quite some time. Good times. :word:

[dark_b]

People say that my expectations were too high.
It goes both ways, their expectations were too low.

Micheal Bay: Do I look like a guy with a script or talent? I just DO THINGS!how can expectations be to low?

[Spider-Jay]

Just got back from the movie.

There were some excellent moments (i.e. awesome forest fight, the robots were cool as expected) but I'd be lying if I didn't say this was the most disappointing sequel since Spider-Man 3 for me personally. Too much time was wasted on stupid scenes like the ones involving the parents, Leo, and close-ups of Megan Fox and Alice. When I go to see Transformers, I want to see actual Transformers. If I want to stare at girls I have the internet and porn for that, thanks.

Also, why the hell did they substitute Ironhide, and Ratchet for the Twins. Seriously.

4/10

[lou2099]

Has anyone? :woot:Armageddon, directed by Michael Bay. that was truly awful.

I enjoyed the first movie immensely. Transformers 2 was lousy filmmaking & terrible storytelling and yet, so very very entertaining.

[StreetWarrior]

I've seen the film twice now and I have to say that it's not great, but definitely not bad. Transformers 1 was still better :(. I'd give ROTF a 7/10. However, this film looks like "Citizen Kane" when compared to Wolverine. Anyone throwing a fit over this film's plot holes should NEVER watch that one.

Here's hoping for a Transformers 3!!!

[Red Mask]

Harry Potter is kicking Transformers 2 out of the theaters here, including the IMAX. Just out of curiousity how does Tranformers 2 compare to:

1. Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (2 hrs. 49 min.)
2. Ten Commandments (1956; starring Charlton Heston, 3hrs & 40 min.)
3. Spider-Man 3 (2hrs, 19 min.)
4. King Kong (2005; 3 hrs & 7 min.)

[SsM]

King Kong bored me to death.

[CelticPredator]

I saw it 3 times in the theater......:D

[notinagoodmood]

I loved this movie

[SsM]

So, when you cheer up... are you going to change your name?

[Sarge 2.0]

Zing!

[NewYorkSpider]

6/10

They spent too much time foucusing on everything else than the actual story. The action was there, but the story wasn't. I was very dissappointed with this movie.

[iceberg325]

7/10 for me. Just felt there were too many scenes in the movie that were not needed. I didnt like Jetfire at all. Skids and Mudflap were retarded. I feel there was way too much comedy in the movie.

[Ipodman]

it could have went the other way all serious and TDk-like and the general audience wont want that from a giant robot movie... I say Good Job Mr Bay, but still Bad Story Telling

Is it true that if The Avengers work out, Paramount will greenlight a TF-GI crossover movie?

[Red Mask]

7/10 for me. Just felt there were too many scenes in the movie that were not needed. I didnt like Jetfire at all. Skids and Mudflap were retarded. I feel there was way too much comedy in the movie.

That's okay. In my book Jazz, Skids, and Mudflap will always be my junkyard dogs.

[rashad]

Saw it just once in theaters. Which was enough for me. I'll check it out again when it comes out on Blu-ray/DVD.

[El Payaso]

0/10 folks.

This was not a movie.

[Sarge 2.0]

^ :up:

People with taste have been saying that for almost two months now. But the general public has been raised on a steady diet of artistic junk food for decades, so they don't know what quality is anymore. Sad, but true.

[roach]

^ :up:

People with taste have been saying that for almost two months now. But the general public has been raised on a steady diet of artistic junk food for decades, so they don't know what quality is anymore. Sad, but true.

all things being equal then TDK must be crap too??
How is it that the GA got TDK right but TF2 wrong?????

[AnorexicBatman]

The Economic downturn could be a reason...

[Sarge 2.0]

all things being equal then TDK must be crap too??
How is it that the GA got TDK right but TF2 wrong?????
Because TDK's success was basically unavoidable, just like TF2's was. :huh:

They were both backed by huge marketing blitzes, and they were both films based on well established pop culture phenomenons. Their box office success was a no brainer.

Are you seriously comparing the two in terms of quality? That's ludicrous. TDK would have been a great film even if it bombed. TF2 would have been a terrible film even if it bombed as well.

Box office never has and never will determine the quality of a film. To think so is infantile.

[SsM]

all things being equal then TDK must be crap too??
How is it that the GA got TDK right but TF2 wrong?????

You can't even compare the two.

[Jake Cassidy]

^ Yeah. TDK is pure crap. :oldrazz:

[Jake Cassidy]

roach kinda had a point. Sarge was putting down the masses who, according to him, have no taste for seeing TF and making it huge. But, most likely, those same people saw TDK and made it big as well. At least that's what I think he meant.

[LostSon88]

^ :up:

People with taste have been saying that for almost two months now. But the general public has been raised on a steady diet of artistic junk food for decades, so they don't know what quality is anymore. Sad, but true.

:whatever:

What's sad is people who stand on top of some soapbox and assume that people who find enjoyment in films like these have zero taste in film.

I enjoy this film for what it is...having said that i'm also a fan of Scorsese, Spielberg, Coppola and many other 'brilliant' filmmakers.

What does that say about my tastes in film...where do I fit in your spectrum?

[Jake Cassidy]

I like Transformers, but I also like David Lynch films/shows. I love Twin Peaks. We've gotta stop pidgeon-holing people.

[Optimus27932]

I just enjoyed the movie for what it was a summer flick based off of a phenomenon.Yes there were some things i think Bay could have left out of the movie.Does anyone know of or hear about the footage that was taken out of the forest battle? I believe it was supposedly in the IMAX version where the fight scene lasted a lil longer.Anyway instead of Bay having a robot humping a girls legs, dogs humping,etc extra footage should have been put in in the place of that.
In my opinion i think since this was based off a kids toyline and alot of the viewers probabaly being kids, he could have left out the profanity.I think he gave alot of what people wanted from the first film in this one (action) at the same time he left out what people got from the first film (story).

[Red Mask]

all things being equal then TDK must be crap too??
How is it that the GA got TDK right but TF2 wrong?????

There's a sucker born every minute.

[roach]

roach kinda had a point. Sarge was putting down the masses who, according to him, have no taste for seeing TF and making it huge. But, most likely, those same people saw TDK and made it big as well. At least that's what I think he meant.

Exactly. if the General Public is a bunch of ignorant monkeys then why did TDK make as much money as it did. After all there wasnt enough explosions to hypnotize us.
Maybe the real issue is that you need to justify why pretty much a majority of the GA loved this movie and you didnt. Fact of life is we all arent going to like the same things and more often than not some of the things we hate are going to be popular. I hate Harry Potter but I realize that almost everyone else does.
I liked this film. I've seen it three times so far. I do own Season One of the original series on dvd. I also downloaded Clockwork Orange to my PS3, own a copy of Casablanca, and Kurasawa's Seven Samurai....just to show you I dont go ga-ga over the shiney stuff

[roach]

double post but while I am here be sure to read my fan fic

[brimstone_halo]

This movie is not The Dark Knight so I don't like it, It needed more Dark Knight. At the beginning when they brought in that truck dude to stop the big tractor dude, i thought for sure the only way to stop him was The Dark Knight then when The Dark Knight didn't come out I was like WTF wheres The Dark Knight. I say anytime from now on when a director finishes a movie that isn't The Dark Knight he should just take it home and record a copy of The Dark Knight over it and then it will be good. Dark Knight!








TDK is a good movie but is it so good that all other fantasy/fiction movies from now on will be compared to it? C'mon. Thats all I have to say

[Max Newlander]

Box Office gross is never an indication of quality. Its not even an indication of enjoyment.

Transformers 2 has been exceptionally success ( turn-over wise ) due to it being released at the peak of the summer, and that its predecessor was a likable and enjoyable popcorn movie. Although I believe the main reason its been so successful is thanks to the 2009 summer season being extremely weak. There ain't alot of competition for the ticket money.

Most of us on here knew before the summer T2:ROTF was going to be the highest grossing movie, it was the only stand-out movie choice for that title ( maybe Harry Potter, but the wizards revenues are getting weaker each time )

I strongly believe if you had an exit poll, and asked; Did you enjoy the movie? and, Are you going to see the movie a second time at the cinema? You wouldn't get a favourable response to either.

IMDB's rating can give "some kind" of indication of the general audiences feeling towards a movie, and 6.3 out of 10 ain't that good.

[Sarge 2.0]

I totally understand what you're saying, but I don't really agree with your conclusion. I mean, an averaged percentage that is meant to roughly indicate some sort of consensus really means nothing in terms of the quality of the film. For example, "The Girlfriend Experience" is one of the best films of the year so far. It currently has a 6.2 on the IMDB rating system. There are many factors that come in to play here: demographic, how many people voted, and how many voters actually saw the movie, etc. IMDB, Rottentomatoes, and Metacritic are all good ways to check out what the general trend of opinion on a film is, but it is in no way an indication of the films quality. I'll get to the silly little posts on the previous page in a few hours when I return.

[moreprimeland]

I just enjoyed the movie for what it was a summer flick based off of a phenomenon.Yes there were some things i think Bay could have left out of the movie.Does anyone know of or hear about the footage that was taken out of the forest battle? I believe it was supposedly in the IMAX version where the fight scene lasted a lil longer.Anyway instead of Bay having a robot humping a girls legs, dogs humping,etc extra footage should have been put in in the place of that.
In my opinion i think since this was based off a kids toyline and alot of the viewers probabaly being kids, he could have left out the profanity.I think he gave alot of what people wanted from the first film in this one (action) at the same time he left out what people got from the first film (story).
I've seen TF2 2x in reg theater and 2x in IMAX, there is much more of the forest fight scene in IMAX, and one would hope they include all of it when released on DVD. You're so right about the humping and wasting time on juvenile humor when footage could have been more focused on the bots and their fights. We had plenty of special effects in this movie, just could have used a more concentrated story line, or a story at all, and let the bots have more lines, not drull no nonsense one liners from dumb bots.Just my humble opinion, and I'm sticking to it:trans:

[The Lizard]

Exactly. if the General Public is a bunch of ignorant monkeys then why did TDK make as much money as it did. After all there wasnt enough explosions to hypnotize us.

Two words....Heath Ledger.

The ignorant monkeys were all interested in seeing the tragic dead guy's last (or so they thought) performance.

Actually, I'm half-joking there. While I still say TDK would not have made as much money as it did without the publicity of Heath's death, both Batman and Transformers have big-name recognition among the general public that adds up to big box office.

[terry78]

Plus, Shia is a license to print money these days.

[Ipodman]

Plus, Shia is a license to print money these days.

Lol....

Its true both Batman and Transformers have huge fanbase.. and word of mouth is pretty powerful... it can change a person's mind immediately.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I've seen TF2 2x in reg theater and 2x in IMAX, there is much more of the forest fight scene in IMAX, and one would hope they include all of it when released on DVD. You're so right about the humping and wasting time on juvenile humor when footage could have been more focused on the bots and their fights. We had plenty of special effects in this movie, just could have used a more concentrated story line, or a story at all, and let the bots have more lines, not drull no nonsense one liners from dumb bots.Just my humble opinion, and I'm sticking to it:trans:

I do think the storyline could have used a bit more work, most of the story was told in the prequel comics which would have been read by, what, 5% of the people who saw the movie?

[Silver Knight]

Ive got to say I did not like this movie at all. Sam's mum was way overdone and at times stupid and Jetfire annoyed me to no end. The forrest fight was the only highlight for me along with the twins.

[AnorexicBatman]

A friend of mine had this to say:
Maybe it's because I am female, but oh my stars and garters... The humping. And the giant robot balls. And the slimy robot body fluids. And the scary-long-tongue girlie bot that gets more screen time than the mildly interesting but non-stripperific motorcycle fembots. And Megan Fox's character's statement that Wheelie humping her leg "means he's faithful, Sam." Maybe next time they could just have a character extend a middle finger and say, "This is for all the women in the audience." Seriously, I am not paying money to see another version of American Pie: Giant Robot Edition.


And I wholeheartedly agree...

[terry78]

Well, to be fair, women have never had a huge role in Bay's flicks except to be eye candy or toys for our amusement. The Island tried to sway from that, but it failed at the b.o., so.....

[aragen]

I just saw it. BEST MOVIE EVER! The critics are idiots! Devastator was awsome! Been better if Devs had came into the final battle and either Ironhide of Arcee yelled, "Turn you head and cough" and shot Devs in the wrecking balls!

[Sarge 2.0]

I look forward to your posts in the future. :up:

You are the perfect specimen of a stereotypical fan. Which makes me think you're probably being satirical or sarcastic. Either way, it's going to be a fun ride.

[SsM]

I just saw it. BEST MOVIE EVER! The critics are idiots! Devastator was awsome! Been better if Devs had came into the final battle and either Ironhide of Arcee yelled, "Turn you head and cough" and shot Devs in the wrecking balls!


Who is devs?


Edit: never mind.

It still baffles me that people continue to praise this movie.

[Sarge 2.0]

I think he was referring to Devastator.

[SsM]

Yeah, I didn't read the first part of his post, wish I hadn't read any of it.

[Jake Cassidy]

It still baffles me that people continue to praise this movie.

It still baffles me that people continue to complain about this movie. :oldrazz:

[SsM]

It still baffles me that people continue to complain about this movie. :oldrazz:


I haven't complained about it.

[Jake Cassidy]

I haven't complained about it.

I know. I was just saying the opposite to what you said. :woot:

This part is not aimed at you SsM -

It makes no sense to me why people continually talk about something they don't like. I'm not saying thay can't and there's I can do to stop them. I just don't get it.

[SamuraiSon6]

There is this guy at my office who is about as mainstream/public opinion as it gets and he came in the other day and told me (truly, he meant this) that it was the greatest movie he had ever seen!

[SamuraiSon6]

There is this guy at my office who is about as mainstream/public opinion as it gets and he came in the other day and told me (truly, he meant this) that it was the greatest movie he had ever seen!

[Vile]

Finally saw the film.

Much like the first movie, Transformers 2 truely excels in the special effects and robot battles. Besides that, its pretty stupid, filled with sheer fluff fuller and a plot which is downright silly.

[craigdbfan]

I wonder if we'll ever see a Transformers movie with smarter humans and coherent story lines that isn't a rehash from the last movie.

Sigh. ILM is the only saving grace of these movies.

[Mr. Para-Normal]

To all the haters of this movie. Why do you feel the need to insult people's intelligence for liking this movie? I like the first transformers movie better than the second but I still enjoyed it. Transformers 2 is not the best movie ever nor is it on par with Ironman or TDK. Yes it has many flaws but there is still some entertaining aspects to it that people may like. I am in college with a 2.8 grade point average (was a 3.0 but messed up in a particularly hard class) I am a dumbass for liking this movie? I think not its a matter of opinion.

[Kane52630]

To all the haters of this movie. Why do you feel the need to insult people's intelligence for liking this movie? I like the first transformers movie better than the second but I still enjoyed it. Transformers 2 is not the best movie ever nor is it on par with Ironman or TDK. Yes it has many flaws but there is still some entertaining aspects to it that people may like. I am in college with a 2.8 grade point average (was a 3.0 but messed up in a particularly hard class) I am a dumbass for liking this movie? I think not its a matter of opinion.

if you ask me, its your opinion i dont care all im saying it was not good as the first one

[nite-owl]

I really hate the term 'haters'.

[Silver Knight]

Finally saw the film.

Much like the first movie, Transformers 2 truely excels in the special effects and robot battles. Besides that, its pretty stupid, filled with sheer fluff fuller and a plot which is downright silly.
So true.

[omid17]

watching it once was enough for me

[Ace of Knaves]

I found this movie offensive. And I liked the first one. This was just Bay set loose upon the world without Spielberg to rein him in like the first one. And it shows.

[Golgo-13]

QFT. The more i see this movie (i also have it on bootleg) the more i hate it.

It's the over use of crude humor and the Twins that kills it.

[nite-owl]

To all the haters of this movie. Why do you feel the need to insult people's intelligence for liking this movie? I like the first transformers movie better than the second but I still enjoyed it. Transformers 2 is not the best movie ever nor is it on par with Ironman or TDK. Yes it has many flaws but there is still some entertaining aspects to it that people may like. I am in college with a 2.8 grade point average (was a 3.0 but messed up in a particularly hard class) I am a dumbass for liking this movie? I think not its a matter of opinion.

It goes both ways, why do the people who like the movie acuse the one's who don't of being some sort of art house nazi?

[omid17]

is it true that Megan Fox was pissed cause Bay didn't give her barely any lines?

[LostSon88]

It goes both ways, why do the people who like the movie acuse the one's who don't of being some sort of art house nazi?

C'mon now, you know that those who like the movie have been getting it much worse than those who hate it.

I like the movie. Yet, I don't go around questioning your intelligence and/or taste in movies because you didn't...haters however, that's the first thing they go after.

[nite-owl]

I don't mean to be rude but have you got examples of this.

[Ipodman]

So whos the human-sized robot who was formed with balls that dropped out of Ravage's mouth? Laserbreak? Insecticons?

[omid17]

^think it was a Constructicon

[LostSon88]

I don't mean to be rude but have you got examples of this.

Examples of what? Me liking the film and getting ripped to shreds about it? Do you really want me to do that?

[Ace of Knaves]

Now you know how the people who thought Wolverine was alright felt. If you dare like these movies it means you have the brain capacity of a 5 year old.

I won't insult someone if they like a certain film. But seriously, this film was terrible. It was like a ADHD suffering teenagers wet dream.

[omid17]

Now you know how the people who thought Wolverine was alright felt. If you dare like these movies it means you have the brain capacity of a 5 year old.

I won't insult someone if they like a certain film. But seriously, this film was terrible. It was like a ADHD suffering teenagers wet dream.nice way to put it

[Ipodman]

I loved Wolverine but this film was just average for me. Lots of exciting action sequences, but other than that it was terrible

[Jake Cassidy]

edit

[Jake Cassidy]

I don't care. I still love it. :woot:

I like Wolverine too.

[Ipodman]

I don't care. I still love it. :woot:

I like Wolverine too.

Love ur Optimism. These two films are my fav of this year

[Jake Cassidy]

It's easy when you don't care what anyone else thinks. :woot:

[Punisher Rising]

I seem to be in the minority, but I enjoyed ROTF and was surprised at how much I did, considering how much I loathed the original. ROTF wasn't perfect and needed work in a lot of areas, but I found it to be an entertaining timewaster and what I'd expect from a big-budget Summer blockbuster. I'll buy it when it's on DVD. I enjoyed the action scenes and the Transformers, and was never bored throughout. I didn't even mind the human characters. I could've done without a lot of the humor and felt some of the Transformers were too underused, but overall it wasn't a bad effort, IMO. I'm torn between a 6/10 or 7/10 for it.

[Ace of Knaves]

There is no doubt in my mind that TF-2 has some of the best action scenes ever put to film.

But it's pretty much EVERYTHING else that is utter ****e. It's like Bay was trying to appeal to the stoner/bro crowd, which isn't a very good idea. Especially when you clearly have no clue how stoned people act. Seriously, I wanted to rip my own teeth out of head because of how annoying Sam's mum was. Stoned people don't act like that.

[Ipodman]

Wait till TF3 where Leo gets more screen time.... aaahhh!

Anyway, Devastator/Constructicons were certainly underused... there was some build up but we didnt get to see the contructicons function individually... and what happened to it in the end anyway?

[Punisher Rising]

I thought some of the humor was grating, but for some reason most of it didn't tick me off more than the original. There were some groan-inducing moments for sure, but most weren't bad enough to hamper my enjoyment of the movie (I certainly could've done without Simmons' underpants and the bathroom bit though, ugh. Bay seems to have a thing for scat-related humor in his movies).

The Fallen was definitely criminally underused, for his name being in the title I felt his screentime and presence didn't justify the title. A damn shame, for he had potential to be a remarkable villain. At least he was quite good for the little screentime he got, and they couldn't have picked a better performer (Tony Todd) for him.

[Ace of Knaves]

Tony Todd's voice work was bad ass :up: Makes me remember Candyman. I used to be **** scared of that movie when I was a kid.

[Punisher Rising]

Candyman is the best. Always loved that movie and enjoyed the second film as well (third one is awful though, ugh. Steer clear of the third one). I got chills hearing Todd's voicework as The Fallen.

It's doubtful The Fallen can be resurrected for the third film, which is a shame since he was woefully underused in this movie. One major flaw the film had for sure. For a film titled Revenge Of The Fallen, the movie didn't use him well enough to justify such a title.

[omid17]

its sad the twins got more screen time than the Fallen

[Punisher Rising]

I found the Twins surprisingly enjoyable despite the negative press they were getting, but I wholeheartedly agree The Fallen was underused badly. Why title the movie Revenge Of The Fallen when he doesn't get his revenge for very long?

[omid17]

i know Bay wanted Optimus to win this final fight, cuz prime almost got raped by Megatron in the first one, but only lasted about 30 sec which is a damn shame

[Punisher Rising]

The final battle should've been at least ten minutes long and been a truly epic brawl where Prime, Megatron and The Fallen use all of their powers and abilities to their maximum potential. Would've been killer to have gotten :(

I still enjoyed the movie, but there's lots of room for improvement for sure.

[omid17]

yup it would have been awesome to see Upgraded Prime against Megs and Fallen

[Punisher Rising]

Prime looked awesome with his upgrades. One thing this movie definitely got down well was Prime. This was his movie all the way.

[omid17]

yup im mean the whole imax theater errupted fans clapping and cheering when they saw him with the upgrades, too bad it only lasted for a minute :(

[Punisher Rising]

I hope third time is the charm for this series. I think this movie was a step in the right direction and Part 3 should be a full-force charge in that direction. Make the most of everything next time.

On a side note, is it just me, or was Megatron's voice in this one not as deep and demonic-sounding as in the original? I guess it was toned down slightly so his voice potentially wouldn't be confused with The Fallen's.

[omid17]

your right about megz voice, and i thought starscreams voice was kinda different too. Bay has to go all out in the 3rd one for sure

[Punisher Rising]

Third one needs to be an all-out epic, a definitive Transformers tale.

On Megatron,

I don't know why he's being derided as "wimpy" in this film, IMO he was far more menacing than in the original. He killed Prime, deliberately injured Starscream and the scene where he tries to experiment on Sam he came off as genuinely menacing. He felt more like the classic Megatron with his attitude here, whereas in the original he just threw temper tantrums. I was kind of annoyed how he was sort of reduced to a pawn in this film, but at least his character was closer to his classic self.

[omid17]

agreed

[Punisher Rising]

You're right about Starscream's voice as well, it sounded a bit more shrill compared to what it was like in the original.

[Ipodman]

I think Megatron and Starscream voice were toned down so it was clearer.

and side note: Soundwave has a cool autotuning voice :)

[Punisher Rising]

I was thinking maybe Megatron's voice was toned down a bit so it wouldn't sound too similar to Soundwave. Megatron did have a somewhat identical voice in the original.

[Marvin]

Hopefully they learn from the previous two and make a strong third film.

[PyroChamber]

I thought with Starscream's voice, the voice actor was trying to make it a bit more like in the cartoon.

[DragonKnight]

I think Megatron and Starscream voice were toned down so it was clearer.

and side note: Soundwave has a cool autotuning voice :)
Well, Soundwave is so underused. He didn't even join the fight even if he can.

[omid17]

i think for Bay it was a win/win situation, He made a **** load off of the sequel and he ****ed the fans over

[anrrd_2]

Hopefully they learn from the previous two and make a strong third film.

dont forget, this is a MICHAEL BAY film. it will be a popcorn flick and nothing more. amazing battles and special effects, lots of dirty jokes and cleavage. but mediocre supporting characters and a second rate story. if you can accept that going into the film and adjust your expectations accordingly, you will enjoy yourself. but if you think you're going to see a movie that will make you question your morals, or in anyway make you smarter for watching it, you will leave very disappointed. that was my attitude going into TF2, and i really enjoyed it. my expectations for the third movie is no different.

[terry78]

Bay doesn't care. He loves to hear how his direction sucks and the vitriol people have for him, it's like it fuels him to keep going.

[anrrd_2]

Bay doesn't care. He loves to hear how his direction sucks and the vitriol people have for him, it's like it fuels him to keep going.

he's like a pro wrestler, except the steriods are pumped into his movies and not his buttocks :woot:

[Jake Cassidy]

If I was raking in the cash that he does, I wouldn't care about any negativity towards me, either.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

dont forget, this is a MICHAEL BAY film. it will be a popcorn flick and nothing more. amazing battles and special effects, lots of dirty jokes and cleavage. but mediocre supporting characters and a second rate story. if you can accept that going into the film and adjust your expectations accordingly, you will enjoy yourself. but if you think you're going to see a movie that will make you question your morals, or in anyway make you smarter for watching it, you will leave very disappointed. that was my attitude going into TF2, and i really enjoyed it. my expectations for the third movie is no different.

Exactly, I cant believe people were expecting TDK or something from TF2, I got what I expected and enjoyed it immensely.

[Saint]

it will be a popcorn flick and nothing more. amazing battles and special effects, lots of dirty jokes and cleavage. but mediocre supporting characters and a second rate story. if you can accept that going into the film and adjust your expectations accordingly, you will enjoy yourself.
Contrary to popular belief, this is not a license to be stupid. I'm always a little confused when people say "Well, of course all these things about the movie sucked! It was a popcorn movie! You just have to adjust your expectations!" Popcorn movies don't have to be junk with pretty (but ultimately poorly executed) action sequences. Star Trek was a popcorn film, but you may notice that it wasn't stupid and it didn't suck. That's the sort of bar the Transformers films should be held to.

The idea that adjusting one's expectations will increase one's enjoyment doesn't make sense, anyway. Expecting a movie to suck (but suck with pretty robot fights) isn't going to make it suck any less.

[terry78]

^Well, every genre in entertainment has those few things that are godawful in the critic eyes, yet they have a massive fanbase regardless. It's been that way since the beginning of time.

[CelticPredator]

i think for Bay it was a win/win situation, He made a **** load off of the sequel and he ****ed the fans over

He made me, a fan of the movies, very happy. :boba:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Contrary to popular belief, this is not a license to be stupid. I'm always a little confused when people say "Well, of course all these things about the movie sucked! It was a popcorn movie! You just have to adjust your expectations!" Popcorn movies don't have to be junk with pretty (but ultimately poorly executed) action sequences. Star Trek was a popcorn film, but you may notice that it wasn't stupid and it didn't suck. That's the sort of bar the Transformers films should be held to.

The idea that adjusting one's expectations will increase one's enjoyment doesn't make sense, anyway. Expecting a movie to suck (but suck with pretty robot fights) isn't going to make it suck any less.

But for me, there is a big difference between someone like JJ Abrams directing a movie, and Michael Bay directing one, you know what you are going to get with Bay, and anyone expecting anything different, is a bit naive IMO.

^Well, every genre in entertainment has those few things that are godawful in the critic eyes, yet they have a massive fanbase regardless. It's been that way since the beginning of time.

Exactly, this movie entertained me to no end, and I am a TF fan.

[Mr. Para-Normal]

But for me, there is a big difference between someone like JJ Abrams directing a movie, and Michael Bay directing one, you know what you are going to get with Bay, and anyone expecting anything different, is a bit naive IMO.



Exactly, this movie entertained me to no end, and I am a TF fan.

Agreed! I enjoyed this movie too and I plan to buy the blu ray. But I also agree with some of the complaints from critics and haters. This movie does in fact have big flaws like some humor that does not work, plotholes, and the twins having WAYYY to much screen time and are kind of racial sterotypes. Overall I enjoyed the first movie more but I still liked the second one. I would give TF2 a 7 on a scale from 1-10. Transformers 1 I would give a 8.5.

[Saint]

^Well, every genre in entertainment has those few things that are godawful in the critic eyes, yet they have a massive fanbase regardless. It's been that way since the beginning of time.

I'm not sure how this is a response to anything I said.

[Saint]

But for me, there is a big difference between someone like JJ Abrams directing a movie, and Michael Bay directing one, you know what you are going to get with Bay, and anyone expecting anything different, is a bit naive IMO.
Perhaps you didn't read my entire post, as I'm fairly certain I addressed this. I knew exactly what to expect, I got what I expected, and it sucked. The fact that I knew it was going to suck didn't make it any better.

I don't understand idea that the crapiness should be excused because it's Michael Bay. These films should not have been crap, and if crap is all Michael Bay can produce, he should not have directed these films.

[DarKJediKnight]

Oh so there are two categories of film now... Every film falls into the first category, then there's just a Micheal bay film :doh:.

[Theweepeople]

Perhaps you didn't read my entire post, as I'm fairly certain I addressed this. I knew exactly what to expect, I got what I expected, and it sucked. The fact that I knew it was going to suck didn't make it any better.

I don't understand idea that the crapiness should be excused because it's Michael Bay. These films should not have been crap, and if crap is all Michael Bay can produce, he should not have directed these films.

I understand your perspective but, there are many factors that determine how I review a film. Two of the strongest factors are source material and expectations. The way I review a film based off a toy line(Transformers) or ride(Pirates of the Carribean) is going to be completey different than films adapted from classic comics(Batman) and great novels(Lord of the Rings).

I expected Transformers 2007 to have a weak storyline because the majority of the cartoons and comics had poorly developed stories. However, I enjoyed the first film inspite of it's flaws because it was still action packed, had great CGI, and was very entertaining. I gave the film a 8.5 out of 10.

After seeing the first film there were many reasons to believe the sequel would be much better. There was plenty of time to refine the technology and reuse sets. I thought the writers would have more time to put together a more coherent script thereby, reducing the dialogue of people and other pointless characters. Finally, I was praying that Micheal Bay would have less control over what was in the script.

Unfortunately most of my expectations were not met so I gave the sequel a 7 out of 10 rating because it was at least entertaining. The storyline of the sequel made the first film's weak storyline look like a masterpiece. I was happy with the idea of transformers getting more screen time but, not with two moronic and irrelevant characters made up by Micheal Bay nor with the most hated autobot character from the G1 series.

[omid17]

^

Well said :bow:

[Sarge 2.0]

I understand your perspective but, their are many factors that determine how I review a film. Two of the strongest factors are source material and expectations. The way I review a film based off a toy line(Transformers) or ride(Pirates of the Carribean) is going to be completey different than films adapted from classic comics(Batman) and great novels(Lord of the Rings).

I expected Transformers 2007 to have a weak storyline because the majority of the cartoons and comics had poorly developed stories. However, I enjoyed the first film inspite of it's flaws because it was still action packed, had great CGI, and was very entertaining. I gave the film a 8.5 out of 10.

After seeing the first film there were many reasons to believe the sequel would be much better. There was plenty of time to refine the technology and reuse sets. I thought the writers would have more time to put together a more coherent script thereby, reducing the dialogue of people and other pointless characters. Finally, I was praying that Micheal Bay would have less control over what was in the script.

Unfortunately most of my expectations were not met so I gave the sequel a 7 out of 10 rating because it was at least entertaining. The storyline of the sequel made the first film's weak storyline look like a masterpiece. I was happy with the idea of transformers getting more screen time but, not with two moronic and irrelevant characters made up by Micheal Bay nor with the most hated autobot character from the G1 series.You're still making excuses for bad filmmaking just because it's a toy movie :huh:

[SsM]

I understand your perspective but, their are many factors that determine how I review a film. Two of the strongest factors are source material and expectations. The way I review a film based off a toy line(Transformers) or ride(Pirates of the Carribean) is going to be completey different than films adapted from classic comics(Batman) and great novels(Lord of the Rings).

I expected Transformers 2007 to have a weak storyline because the majority of the cartoons and comics had poorly developed stories. However, I enjoyed the first film inspite of it's flaws because it was still action packed, had great CGI, and was very entertaining. I gave the film a 8.5 out of 10.

After seeing the first film there were many reasons to believe the sequel would be much better. There was plenty of time to refine the technology and reuse sets. I thought the writers would have more time to put together a more coherent script thereby, reducing the dialogue of people and other pointless characters. Finally, I was praying that Micheal Bay would have less control over what was in the script.

Unfortunately most of my expectations were not met so I gave the sequel a 7 out of 10 rating because it was at least entertaining. The storyline of the sequel made the first film's weak storyline look like a masterpiece. I was happy with the idea of transformers getting more screen time but, not with two moronic and irrelevant characters made up by Micheal Bay nor with the most hated autobot character from the G1 series.


If you take a good look at it, the CGI was all over the place in terms of quality.

[Theweepeople]

You're still making excuses for bad filmmaking just because it's a toy movie :huh:

I don't see how having a realist perspective about the potential of a franchise's quality gets translated into me making an excuse. Furthermore, I've already admitted mutiple times that this film had plenty of bad filmmaking and yet I found the movie to be very entertaining because of good action and groundbreaking special effects that were so detailed they caused some of ILM's computers to crash.

[Jake Cassidy]

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[Ipodman]

Apparently Frank Welker (Voice of G1 Megatron) voiced Soundwave in ROTF, and he havent watched the movie yet...

I applaud Mr Bay for not putting Frank Welker as the voice of Megs in TF1 because the G1 voice just doesnt fit the live action Megs...

[J.Howlett]

The CG was only all over the place because of the time ILM had compared to the workload. The first film's visual effects are damn near perfect at every turn. In this sequel, it does vary but not because ILM can't do the work. They had too much work and not enough time.

Seriously, I still dig the hell out of the film even though the script problems are huge, but the more I think about the film, the more upset I get at Paramount for rushing this thing. Knowing that a writer's strike was about to happen, they greenlit a 200 million dollar plus film based on an outline Bay and the writers came up with on the fly, just so they could make the release date.

They should've waited until next summer to release this sequel just based on the amount of work ILM would have to do. These robots are too complicated to do in just 18 months...especially since the robot numbers almost tripled.

[Avangarde]

I normally don't bother going to shootfortheedit.com to see what Bay dribbles out to the public, but has anyone heard from him in regards to the film and it's problems recently?

[rashad]

I normally don't bother going to shootfortheedit.com to see what Bay dribbles out to the public, but has anyone heard from him in regards to the film and it's problems recently?

I read the DVD commentary with Orci and Kurtzman is pretty interesting.

[Avangarde]

I'm planning on buying it on Bluray, but only after a price drop. I'm in no particular rush to see it again.

[terry78]

I'll probably pick it up because it's just one of those movies that belongs in a collection. Every man should have at least one Michael Bay movie in his movie collection. I still remember seeing it in IMAX, the forest fight.....Bay said it was going to be "to scale" and he nailed the size of the characters down pat.

[CelticPredator]

I loved this movie, so i'll be getting for sure.

[Jake Cassidy]

I'll probably pick it up because it's just one of those movies that belongs in a collection. Every man should have at least one Michael Bay movie in his movie collection.

I have all of his movies. Even Pearl Harbor, but only because of my obsession with Kate Beckinsale. :woot:

[Bunker]

The forest fight was the lone redeemable quality in this.

[Jake Cassidy]

That was awesome. As was the start in Shanghai. Sideswipe is a ****in' badass.

[Nathan]

I need a fan cut. Just all of the action scenes put together, it's the only way I can watch the movie.

[Nathan]

*double*

[Jake Cassidy]

I need a fan cut. Just all of the action scenes put together, it's the only way I can watch the movie.

That's what I need for TDK. Just the Joker scenes and nothing else. :woot:

[Sarge 2.0]

I need a fan cut. Just all of the action scenes put together, it's the only way I can watch the movie.They were incomprehensible so I dunno what you want that for.

[CelticPredator]

The Two Face scene at the end was the best part.....:confused

[Jake Cassidy]

The Two Face scene at the end was the best part.....:confused

Apart from the Joker, the movie has become boring for me. I'm not saying it's not good because it is. I'm just not that into it anymore. In a few months I probably will be again. I go through phases with Batman. :yay:

[Nathan]

They were incomprehensible so I dunno what you want that for.

Because it's the only thing worth watching. The rest is nothing but utter nonsense.

[Happy Jack]

This movie was utter garbage. Possibly the worst big budget blockbuster ever made.

[Kane52630]

This movie was utter garbage. Possibly the worst big budget blockbuster ever made.

nope that goes to GI Joe

[omid17]

nope that goes to GI Joe
the underwater scenes were ****ing garbage

[omid17]

This movie was utter garbage. Possibly the worst big budget blockbuster ever made.
ROTF was truly retarded

[terry78]

You notice every movie we as internet geeks hate, the whole of mainstream society tends to love.

[omid17]

You notice every movie we as internet geeks hate, the whole of mainstream society tends to love.
pretty much

[Venom160]

You notice every movie we as internet geeks hate, the whole of mainstream society tends to love.yep and it works pretty much in reverse aswell. Look at Watchmen.

[omid17]

yep and it works pretty much in reverse aswell. Look at Watchmen.yup also Spider-Man 3

[LostSon88]

You notice every movie we as internet geeks hate, the whole of mainstream society tends to love.

Which pretty much explains why they don't give a **** what we think...

[Ipodman]

I want all the twins parts together for a Twins Cut haha...

and for TDK, i want the Harvey Dent/Two Face scenes together

anyway....

[AnorexicBatman]

I'm an internet geek and I loved Watchmen. Got the point across.
In 10 years, it will become a cult classic just like it's comic book cousin.

[Jake Cassidy]

nope that goes to GI Joe

Spider-Man 3 :woot:

At least Optimus Prime and Snake Eyes didn't dance down the street like ****in' douchebags.

[Jake Cassidy]

You notice every movie we as internet geeks hate, the whole of mainstream society tends to love.

And yet the people who claim they hate a movie never shut up about it. :yay:

[Jake Cassidy]

Which pretty much explains why they don't give a **** what we think...

Just like film critics. :woot:

[The Original Bamfer]

You notice every movie we as internet geeks hate, the whole of mainstream society tends to love.

I'm an internet geek and, for the most part, enjoyed Revenge of the Fallen.

[terry78]

It sold 7.5 million copies this past week alone, so....

[S.A.A.D.]

^Bay rises,the TF:ROTF haters fall!!!!!!

:woot:

[Ipodman]

Skids will probably not have the gold tooth in the third movie... it dropped off when he escaped Devastator...

but i hope there will be more of the Motorcycle sisters (whatever their names are)

[roach]

Spider-Man 3 :woot:

At least Optimus Prime and Snake Eyes didn't dance down the street like ****in' douchebags.

actually thats in the deleted scenes

[SpiderByte]

I thought ROTF was really good, actually. Amazing special effects, (although some of the more raunchy humor could have been toned down a bit). Some really good jokes, but also some bad ones, I admit. But all in all, I greatly liked the film.

And nobody, NOBODY, can say that the part where Leo tasers his nuts isn't funny.

[SpiderByte]

*double post.

[terry78]

Yeah, the taser part did always get a laugh in every theatre.

[Ipodman]

I didnt even realise he tazed his nuts.. i thought it was his stomach.. i rewatched it and its his stomach

[Bunker]

Astute observation there.

[Ipodman]

Astute observation there.

Why thank you :oldrazz:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

REVIEW:

TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN

The storyline/plot was complete nonsense. Everthing that happened at college was beyond horrible. The acting was bad and annoying. Megan Fox upped the bad acting factor quite a bit and Shia was even more annoying than usual. The action was, once again, filmed in a confusing manner. AKA, YOU COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THE F**K YOU WERE SEEING!!!

The movie's biggest sin is that after the first hour it was just plain boring as well as being s**tty.

The movie seemed to go on for 5 hours. Five hours of Repubican propaganda, five hours of pretending that a non rich Shia could get somebody who looked like Megan Fox, five hours of Megan Fox's horrible acting, five hours of big CGI battles that you could bearly see, five hours of loud annoying music and five hours of crude, childish and unfunny jokes.

I feel dirty and dumber after having gone through that. The first one was bad enough but this one nearly crushed my love of cinema.

Won't somebody please end this terrible series?

Score

1/10

That 1 is because the fight in the woods was awesome.

Yep, I'm engaging in a bit of hyperbole. But my score still stands.

[omid17]

REVIEW:

TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN

The storyline/plot was complete nonsense. Everthing that happened at college was beyond horrible. The acting was bad and annoying. Megan Fox upped the bad acting factor quite a bit and Shia was even more annoying than usual. The action was, once again, filmed in a confusing manner. AKA, YOU COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THE F**K YOU WERE SEEING!!!

The movie's biggest sin is that after the first hour it was just plain boring as well as being s**tty.

The movie seemed to go on for 5 hours. Five hours of Repubican propaganda, five hours of pretending that a non rich Shia could get somebody who looked like Megan Fox, five hours of Megan Fox's horrible acting, five hours of big CGI battles that you could bearly see, five hours of loud annoying music and five hours of crude, childish and unfunny jokes.

I feel dirty and dumber after having gone through that. The first one was bad enough but this one nearly crushed my love of cinema.

Won't somebody please end this terrible series?

Score

1/10

That 1 is because the fight in the woods was awesome.

Yep, I'm engaging in a bit of hyperbole. But my score still stands.well said.

i only enjoyed the imax part cause it was my first time. Pacing was off, we only saw upgraded prime for a minutes and kicked the Fallens ass in less than 30 seconds, just glad the writers arent going to be involved with the next one

[craigdbfan]

There's actually very little to be glad about when it comes to the third film.

What made the first film bearable was that Orci and Kurtzman actually came up with the story.

Whereas with ROTF, Michael Bay came up with the initial story line had Orci and Kurtzman add to the story (they could do very little with the inane story Bay had come up with) and then it went through further revisions again thanks to Mikey and new writer Ehren Kruger.

Now for the third film the only writer is Ehren Kruger with Michael Bay. I expect an equally if not worse third movie. :dry:

Orci and Kurtzman were actually the one saving grace to this franchise and now they are long gone.

[omid17]

well didn't they write Star Trek? cause the script was ****** imo, but well see how Bay does in the next one

[craigdbfan]

Yes they did which is still way better than TF2. Not even comparable.

One had some sort of coherency while the other was a giblet head marathon of idiocy.

We don't have to really wait and see what Michael Bay will come up with as most of all the dumb/hated parts of ROTF were conceived by him and Kruger (the Twins, extending the college scene, prolonging the story for no reason, etc).

I would imagine that TF3 will only be more of the same crap from ROTF or worse. As it did so well in the box office why change it right (Paramount and Bays mentality) ?

Anyway at least the CGI will be top notch. As long as we get another "forest battle" type scene then I'll still watch and try not getting a migraine from the other dumb stuff.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The Trek script wasn't good but I thought it was a great deal better than both Transformers scripts. Don't get me wrong it was a fairly not good script but it was still better than both Transformers scripts. I don't want them back but I hope JJ decides to do a big re-write because I'm looking forward to the next flick.

What saved Trek were the actors performances and JJ Abrams direction. Something that Transformers didn't have. Bay is a terrible director who needs to be stopped.

As others have said, don't think Bay and Kruger weren't a big part of why ROTF was unwatchable.

For the Record:

Transformers:

5/10

Transformers 2 (as I have already posted)

1/10

I blame Bay for most of this series badness. Kurtzman and Orci aren't good either but the results speak for themselves.

[omid17]

Yes they did which is still way better than TF2. Not even comparable.

One had some sort of coherency while the other was a giblet head marathon of idiocy.

We don't have to really wait and see what Michael Bay will come up with as most of all the dumb/hated parts of ROTF were conceived by him and Kruger (the Twins, extending the college scene, prolonging the story for no reason, etc).

I would imagine that TF3 will only be more of the same crap from ROTF or worse. As it did so well in the box office why change it right (Paramount and Bays mentality) ?

Anyway at least the CGI will be top notch. As long as we get another "forest battle" type scene then I'll still watch and try not getting a migraine from the other dumb stuff.

The Trek script wasn't good but I thought it was a great deal better than both Transformers scripts. Don't get me wrong it was a fairly not good script but it was still better than both Transformers scripts. I don't want them back but I hope JJ decides to do a big re-write because I'm looking forward to the next flick.

What saved Trek were the actors performances and JJ Abrams direction. Something that Transformers didn't have. Bay is a terrible director who needs to be stopped.agreed

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I actually didn't believe the movie would be worse than the first one, atleast not much worse...I was wrong.

[omid17]

same here

[SpiderByte]

I think Twilight is crap.
Harry Potter FTW!
And TF2 for me gets a 6/10

[Ipodman]

Transformers

7/10

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

9/10

[[A]]

Bizarro world..?

[Happy Jack]

Transformers

7/10

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

9/10
Wha...?

[SpiderByte]

;17668912']Bizarro world..?

Wha...?

He just likes the film. It's his opinion. Lay off.

[terry78]

Transformers 1 I give an 8/10 on principle alone. It's ****ing Transformers.

[Happy Jack]

He just likes the film. It's his opinion. Lay off.
Yeah, but a 9 out of 10? Come on man, lets be reasonable here.

[omid17]

lol

[SpiderByte]

Yeah, but a 9 out of 10? Come on man, lets be reasonable here.


It's his opinion. There is a REASON the majority of the votes in the poll say 'Awesome'.

[AnorexicBatman]

And they are wrong. I wish this kind of response was given to movies that truly deserve it.
Like Batman Begins, Incredible Hulk. Even Star Trek.

The above 3 movies must seem like masterpieces by comparison (BB kinda is but still not)

[Theweepeople]

REVIEW:

TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN

The storyline/plot was complete nonsense. Everthing that happened at college was beyond horrible. The acting was bad and annoying. Megan Fox upped the bad acting factor quite a bit and Shia was even more annoying than usual. The action was, once again, filmed in a confusing manner. AKA, YOU COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT THE F**K YOU WERE SEEING!!!

The movie's biggest sin is that after the first hour it was just plain boring as well as being s**tty.

The movie seemed to go on for 5 hours. Five hours of Repubican propaganda, five hours of pretending that a non rich Shia could get somebody who looked like Megan Fox, five hours of Megan Fox's horrible acting, five hours of big CGI battles that you could bearly see, five hours of loud annoying music and five hours of crude, childish and unfunny jokes.

I feel dirty and dumber after having gone through that. The first one was bad enough but this one nearly crushed my love of cinema.

Won't somebody please end this terrible series?

Score

1/10

That 1 is because the fight in the woods was awesome.

Yep, I'm engaging in a bit of hyperbole. But my score still stands.

What republican propaganda are you referring to? Supporting the military is not a republican cause. I've known democrats, republicans, and independent registered voters who have always shown favor towards the military. Also, viewing Barack Obama as an incompetent leader isn't exclusively a conservative issue. Every week at work I hear some of my co-workers saying negative stuff about the way he is handling foreign relations and the economy. A high percentage of these people are independent voters and some are even liberal. Obama's shaky approval ratings are evidence that he's lost significant voter confidence since the 2009 presidential election.

[Theweepeople]

It's his opinion. There is a REASON the majority of the votes in the poll say 'Awesome'.

This may be true but, overall the number of people who disliked this film is significant and could greatly hinder the box office gross of the sequel.

389 people voted for this poll. Adding the good and awesome votes together produces 221 voters who liked the film. Adding the so-so, bad, and really bad voters together equals 168 people who either disliked Transformers 2 or thought the film was mediocre.

Dividing 221 voters by 389 gives a majority percentage of 56.8% of the people who liked Transformers 2 and are excited for the sequel. That sounds like a good number but, the remaining 43.2% who didn't like the film is compelling. We've all seen what can happen to a franchise after a highly anticipated sequel disappoints. Pirates 3 made 123million less domestically than it's predecessor partially because Pirates 2 turned out to be a disappointment. None of us should be surprised if the sequel makes 50 to 100million less than Transformers 2. The sequel ticked off way too many people and the franchise is in jeoparady.

I personally thought the movie was okay and originally gave it a 7. My opinions of films rarely change significantly upon second viewings and this is no different. I was forced to change my rating to 6.5 because this film has very little replay value. I won't be buying this on DVD and I'm not excited for the sequel. I never thought I'd say this but, maybe Paramount should consider rebooting this franchise in 5 to 10 years. I still like the first film but, overall this franchise is very frustrating. I understand that transformers is one of the hardest cartoons to adapt and knew there would be deviations from source material but, a lot of the changes were made simply for the sake of change. I'm also really tired of the numerous stupid/pointless human characters in these films and the annoying humor.

What really ticked me off about Transformers 2 was the annoying transformers characters. I thought that increasing the screen time of the transformers would make a much better sequel. Unfortunately, Bay completely screwed up this idea by introducing 3 incredibly annoying and virtually pointless transformers. Overall, I was okay with Jetfire but, his role after the transportation to egypt was bizzare. What the hell was he doing during the majority of the time that mafia sounding robot, the ghetto robots, and other pointless human characters are searching for the shard of the allspark? Then he conveniently shows up at the end out of nowhere to fight.

[omid17]

This may be true but, overall the number of people who disliked this film is significant and could greatly hinder the box office gross of the sequel.

389 people voted for this poll. Adding the good and awesome votes together produces 221 voters who liked the film. Adding the so-so, bad, and really bad voters together equals 168 people who either disliked Transformers 2 or thought the film was mediocre.

Dividing 221 voters by 389 gives a majority percentage of 56.8% of the people who liked Transformers 2 and are excited for the sequel. That sounds like a good number but, the remaining 43.2% who didn't like the film is compelling. We've all seen what can happen to a franchise after a highly anticipated sequel disappoints. Pirates 3 made 123million less domestically than it's predecessor partially because Pirates 2 turned out to be a disappointment. None of us showed be surprised if the sequel makes 50 million 100million less than Transformers 2. The sequel ticked off way too many people and the franchise is in jeoparady.

I personally thought the movie was okay and originally gave it a 7. My opinions of films rarely change significantly upon second viewings and this is no different. I was forced to change my rating to 6.5 because this film has very little replay value. I won't be buying this on DVD and I'm not excited for the sequel. I never thought I'd say this but, maybe Paramount should consider rebooting this franchise in 5 to 10 years. I still like the first film but, overall this franchise is very frustrating. I understand that transformers is one of the hardest cartoons to adapt and knew there would be deviations from source material but, a lot of the changes were made simply for the sake of change. I'm also really tired of the numerous stupid/pointless human characters in these films and the annoying humor.

What really ticked me off about Transformers 2 was the annoying transformers characters. I thought that increasing the screen time of the transformers would make a much better sequel. Unfortunately, Bay completely screwed up this idea by introducing 3 incredibly annoying and virtually pointless transformers. Overall, I was okay with Jetfire but, his role after the transportation to egypt was bizzare. What the hell was he doing during the majority of the time that mafia sounding robot, the ghetto robots, and other pointless human characters are searching for the shard of the allspark? Then he conveniently shows up at the end out of nowhere to fight.
:up:

it's like they half-assed it , did very nice on the cgi but everything else was done poorly

[Ipodman]

And they are wrong. I wish this kind of response was given to movies that truly deserve it.
Like Batman Begins, Incredible Hulk. Even Star Trek.

The above 3 movies must seem like masterpieces by comparison (BB kinda is but still not)

I give Batman Begins and Incredible Hulk 10/10 :woot:
I havent seen Star Trek yet....

[Jake Cassidy]

And they are wrong. I wish this kind of response was given to movies that truly deserve it.
Like Batman Begins, Incredible Hulk. Even Star Trek.

The above 3 movies must seem like masterpieces by comparison (BB kinda is but still not)

So, because people have a different opinion to yours, they're wrong. :whatever:

BB and Trek get a yell of a lot of praise on these boards. TIH is, generally, well liked too.

[AnorexicBatman]

I'm talking about the earned revenue both domestic and international. None of those movies made as much as Transformers 2. They should have as they are much better.

[Ipodman]

Well, both TIH and BB were pulled downed by previous films in the franchise... :(

[I SEE SPIDEY]

What republican propaganda are you referring to? Supporting the military is not a republican cause. I've known democrats, republicans, and independent registered voters who have always shown favor towards the military. Also, viewing Barack Obama as an incompetent leader isn't exclusively a conservative issue. Every week at work I hear some of my co-workers saying negative stuff about the way he is handling foreign relations and the economy. A high percentage of these people are independent voters and some are even liberal. Obama's shaky approval ratings are evidence that he's lost significant voter confidence since the 2009 presidential election.What are you talking about?

I wasn't in anyway refering to Obama as this isn't a polictical thread. And I'm not a domocrat or Repulican, I'm a regestered Independent. I only vote for the Democrats because they aren't quite as incompetent as the Republicans and they are a quite a bit less racist.

Also Obama isn't anywhere near as incompetent as Bush. He had a huge part in destroying the economy and he started two wars for oil and some other reasons I'm sure. Yeah, sorry Obama hasn't fixed 8 years of damage in 10 months.:whatever: At the end of the day I'm not going to be the spokeperson for Obama. I'm going to be fair and give him atleast 2 years to try to help fix something. I never expected Obama to save the universe and I expected that, like all politicians, that he was lying about alot of the things that he was going to do when he got in office. No huge surprise there.

I'm not going to get into why the movie was Republican propaganda right now. I never said supporting the troops was republican propaganda so you can shove that s**tty Republican response in the trash.

I'm still voting for him in 2012. Anybody but a Republican is my mantra. :up:

Thats the last time I'm talking about politics in this thread because this is a thread about a bad movie. Please don't respond to this post because I'm not going to respond to a follow-up.

[SpiderByte]

/snip


So-so is positive. So you can't put it in with the negative category. If it's so-so, how would that impact the market of the next film? They'd go see it to see if it's better.

[Theweepeople]

What are you talking about?

What I am talking about is every time I see someone complain about Transformers 2's so-called republican agenda I typically hear things like "Bay goes out of his way to make the military look good" or "Bay made Obama look like a weak leader". Of course the later assertion has been proven to be 100% correct by most polls. After hearing the same boring partisan diatribes made over and over again I don't see any reason why I should have expected to hear anything new and inciteful from you or anyone else who hates republicans.

I wasn't in anyway refering to Obama as this isn't a polictical thread.

Interesting yet you still felt compelled to make a political statement.

And I'm not a domocrat or Repulican, I'm a regestered Independent. I only vote for the Democrats because they aren't quite as incompetent as the Republicans and they are a quite a bit less racist.

Well, I'm not a democrat or republican either. I'm a registered independent who is moderately conservative. Unlike you I don't arbitrarily vote for some candidate simply because I hate the other political party. Both parties are incompetent, take advantage of voters, and have a history of racist candidates. If you want to get rid of corruption in politics you're doing a horrible job of accomplishing this by voting for the candidates of a major party that don't give a rats ass about american citizens.


Also Obama isn't anywhere near as incompetent as Bush.

Maybe not yet. Just give him another 6 six months. I've never seen an american president's approval rating drop this rapidly in such a brief period during my lifetime. I was too young to remember Jimmy Carter's disastrous administration but, was told that even his approval rating was not this low at this juncture.

He had a huge part in destroying the economy

I partially agree with this. However, the seeds for the eventual mortgage disaster were planted in the mid 90s when companies such as Fannie Mae and Freedie Mac started to give mortgages to people lacking the resources to afford homes. Of course the Bush administration made this problem worst but, let's have a little perspective about when the problem really started. The mortgage economic bubble burst was inevitable. Bush just happened to be the one in power during the time it happened. What nobody seems to remember is the democrats took control of both houses in 2006 and Bush was a lame duck president for the final two years of his administration.

and he started two wars for oil

WTH? Two wars for oil eh. I never knew afghanistan was one of the worlds leading oil producing countries. I thought it was basically a barren wasteland of mountains and poppy fields where the primary export was heroine. I guess you learn something new every day.

As for Iraq if what you are suggesting was true then why didn't the US tap into Iraq's vast resources of oil when the Bush administration was in power. They had plenty of time to do this and it would have greatly reduced the price of gasoline while helping Bush's horrible approval ratings.

and some other reasons I'm sure

Yes. None of these reasons could be the result of afghanistan attacking us on 9-11, Saddam Hussien violating around 20 UN resolutions, and Iraq at the very least trying to aquire WMD's from North Korea.


Yeah, sorry Obama hasn't fixed 8 years of damage in 10 months.:whatever:

No kidding. Maybe he shouldn't have made ridiculous promises about how quickly the economy would turn around. The promise that unemployment wouldn't continue to rise. The promise that the stimulus bill would immediately help out the economy. The promise to take over and change healthcare even though around 85% of americans are satisfied with it.

Of course there are some positive things you can do during a recession. One thing that usually works is lowering taxes thereby, giving people an incentive to spend more more. Clinton inherited the George Bush senior recession and it took the economy a while to recover but, in the mid to late 90s the economy kicked into high gear because of Bill agreeing to the capital gains tax cuts.

The rumours I keep hearing about Obama's administration wanting to raise taxes(Capital gains tax, Sales tax, property tax) during this recession makes zero sense economically. I haven't been hurt financially like some of my friends, co-workers, and acquaintances but, if these rumors turn out to be true I will save all the money I can and spend the rest on necessities.

At the end of the day I'm not going to be the spokeperson for Obama. I'm going to be fair and give him atleast 2 years to try to help fix something. I never expected Obama to save the universe and I expected that, like all politicians, that he was lying about alot of the things that he was going to do when he got in office. No huge surprise there.

So you suspected that Obama is basically the generic politician who only really cares about 51% of the vote and you voted for him?

I'm not going to get into why the movie was Republican propaganda right now.

The typical response I always get when someone makes these ridiculous claims about Michael Bay films. Out of the Bay movies I have seen(Bad Boys 1/2, Pearl Harbor, The Rock, Transformers 1/2, and Armageddon) I don't remember any of them having a republican agenda.

I never said supporting the troops was republican propaganda so you can shove that s**tty Republican response in the trash.

You really need to calm down and stop being so hypersensitive when you believe someone misinterpret's one of your comments. I don't have a photographic memory but, I've heard you talk about being annoyed with Michael Bay's positive portrayal of the military in his films on more than one occasion. It was quite reasonable for me to speculate and make the assertion about what you perceived as republican agenda.

Your confrontational response also suggests that you may view everyone who disagrees with your political stances as either republicans or right wing nuts. It's quite clear that you have an agenda against people on the right and I don't see how this attitude is going to accomplish anything when the problem with politics is there are only two major parties in America.

I'm still voting for him in 2012.

That's fine. It's your freedom to help continue the cycle of corruptive politics with a two party system. Of course that statement begs the question as to how you view yourself as an independent if you're going to blindly vote for a democrat even though there will be independent political candidates running against Obama.

Anybody but a Republican is my mantra. :up:

Mine is anybody who isn't overwhelmingly corrupt. Obama's controversial relationships with racists, marxists, a terrorist, and being a politician in one of the most corrupt cities in America made it impossible for me to trust him.

I didn't vote for McCain in case you were wondering. I'm not telling you who I voted for or who I will vote for in 2012 because it's meaningless to people who think like you. What I can confirm is I won't be voting for a candidate of the two major parties of America just like the last time.


Thats the last time I'm talking about politics in this thread because this is a thread about a bad movie.

There should never have been a first time when politics were mentioned in here.

Please don't respond to this post because I'm not going to respond to a follow-up.

I make no apologies for responding to unnecessary political diatribes asserted in the nonpolitical threads. No offense if you don't respond and I can assure you I won't be making any more responses to your diatribes in any threads ever again.

[Theweepeople]

So-so is positive. So you can't put it in with the negative category. If it's so-so, how would that impact the market of the next film? They'd go see it to see if it's better.

Really? I always thought so-so had a negative connotation because it doesn't motivate people to commit to something. Seriously, when was the last time you got excited to watch a sporting event, movie, or television event you believed could end up being mediocre?

I guess theoretically a mediocre film in a franchise could motivate some people to see the sequel if expectations are dramatically lowered but, I doubt the majority of the average joe thinks like this.

[Ipodman]

majority of people thought it was an "awesome" movie, so of course alot of people are gonna see the next movie... but its not gonna earn so much... kinda like Pirates of Carribean 3

[Ace of Knaves]

Those same people who thought this movie was awesome are probably the kind of people who think films like The Big Lebowski are trash.

[Ipodman]

Too bad u cant see who are the people who voted Awesome... lol ;)

[SpiderByte]

Theweepeople, I see Spidey, please take your discussion to a DIFFERENT THREAD. We are NOT here to talk about politics. We are here to talk about Transformers.

[anrrd_2]

TRANSFORMERS ARE COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA!!!




:hehe: i kid i kid

[Jake Cassidy]

Those same people who thought this movie was awesome are probably the kind of people who think films like The Big Lebowski are trash.

Stop generalising. I think ROTF is awesome and I also like The Big Lebowski. You can't pigeon hole people like that. We all like a variety of different things for different reasons.

[SpiderByte]

<--- Never saw The Big Lebowski.

Just because people have a different opinion, it doesn't make them stupid. But it doesn't give them to be jackasses, either.

[anrrd_2]

spiderbyte, are you a moderator? not being a dick or anything, just curious. you dont usually see people step up and call people out for being out of line...at least not without crossing that line themselves.

[anrrd_2]

would everyone have been happier if it ended like this?

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[Jake Cassidy]

That was ****in' hilarious. :woot:

[anrrd_2]

i know lol...HISHE is always gold. i especially like their Beowolf video and the Terminator/back to the future video.

[HULKSTER'04]

To all Batman fans who wet their pants in fear: In fear of TF might surpass TDK one day, well just you wait till TF3. Bats better get his gear up and they had better have another actor to be the next christmas turkey this time, maybe they'll make 3billion in box office or something?
It doesn't sound good does it?
Of course it doesn't, but why all the bad mouthing about TF? And why does all the bad mouths come from Batman fans? Shame on you!
TF is probably one of the greatest movies of our time, practically every one in the world would want a robot pet/friend. Just becuase TF is making good in box office doesn't give any fanboys the right to say bad things about it. I didn't complain when TIH didn't make good in the box office, just take the movie for what it is! TDK is a good movie, no need to bad mouth other movies just to make a point.

[nite-owl]

To all Batman fans who wet their pants in fear: In fear of TF might surpass TDK one day, well just you wait till TF3. Bats better get his gear up and they had better have another actor to be the next christmas turkey this time, maybe they'll make 3billion in box office or something?
It doesn't sound good does it?
Of course it doesn't, but why all the bad mouthing about TF? And why does all the bad mouths come from Batman fans? Shame on you!
TF is probably one of the greatest movies of our time, practically every one in the world would want a robot pet/friend. Just becuase TF is making good in box office doesn't give any fanboys the right to say bad things about it. I didn't complain when TIH didn't make good in the box office, just take the movie for what it is! TDK is a good movie, no need to bad mouth other movies just to make a point.

I' am not sure were to begin with this, the sweeping generalisation that everyone who dislikes the movie is some crazed Batman fan who is jealous of TF2 success. Or maybe, God forbid anyone dislike the movie becuase it's an illogical mess, with dreadful humor and a philimsical excuse of a narrative and for this being one of the greatest movies of our time. Please ten or fifteen years from now the movies going to be a bad taste in peoples mouths.

[anrrd_2]

I' am not sure were to begin with this, the sweeping generalisation that everyone who dislikes the movie is some crazed Batman fan who is jealous of TF2 success. Or maybe, God forbid anyone dislike the movie becuase it's an illogical mess, with dreadful humor and a philimsical excuse of a narrative and for this being one of the greatest movies of our time. Please ten or fifteen years from now the movies going to be a bad taste in peoples mouths.

i felt compelled to respond to hulksters rant at first too Niteowl... but realized that is was most likely meant just to upset people. either that, or the person REALLY IS that simple minded and judgmental. Also, i was afraid that if i allowed my mind to stay focused on that mess of a rant that my mind would explode like a grape in a microwave.

[HULKSTER'04]

Can you explain why TF doesn't make sense?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

would everyone have been happier if it ended like this?

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I loved ROTF but god damn that was funny!

[SpiderByte]

Agreed.

[HULKSTER'04]

Still waiting for an answer as to why TF is "illogical"?

[craigdbfan]

You don't have to wait just look back at this very threads pages to answer your question.

People are through explaining how bad this movie was. It grows tiring after a while giving reasons as to how bad this movie was. The CGI is the only aspect of this movie that is worthwhile. Everything else is just an incoherent snore fest which was stretched unnecessarily for 2 hours plus.

[HULKSTER'04]

Yet half of the planet does not share that opinion.

[AnorexicBatman]

Because half the people don't realize the kind of artistic damage a film like ROTF has done to the industry. Film's used to be about the art, not the money. People like Nolan, Fravreau, Abrams and especially Cameron are still fighting the good fight.