Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread

[Nathan]

Because when she fires plasma shots around there's no risk whatsoever to blow a little fleshing to smithereens. Ok... Celtic, I respect you liking the movie, but try to come up with reasonable excuses.

[Golgo-13]

They wanted his brain...not him. So, dead or alive it didnt matter, just as long as she didnt blow his head off.

Is that how it works? I thought they wanted him alive. When Megs had him before the forest fight, he told Sam he was gonna kill him slowly but needed to get the info first, so it would have to wait. From that i assumed they needed him alive.

[storyteller]

Well seeing as how earlier they showed how the metal spheres formed a solid mass. I assume that and a combination of holographic tech made her form.

Complete and utter garbage?
Wow I've seen terrible movies. Anything made by the guys who make those lame parody movies is complete and utter garbage.
This was anything but. Personally the twins I didnt mind at all. I find that all the bay humor that people hate I find quite enjoyable. Maybe some cant take a joke.

My only real complaint is that the majority of the Autobots dont get a word in.
Bumble bee(who actually hasnt gotten his voice fixed), the twins, and Optimus actually have plenty of dialogue. Everyone else shows up like all the unnamed decepticons.

The plot wasnt all over the place. It all comes to a point. I remember how one review complained about how at the end, the movie ends where it started. Yeah it sorta does but then thats good. Like Transformers its designed to be that if there is not another movie(or someone takes over) they dont leave the viewer hanging.

If you not a fan of the Humans in the first film.
You wont like this film

If you didnt like the humor of the first film
You wont like this film

Overall if you didnt like the first film, This will not change your mind.

If you liked the first film, there is not damn reason why you should not like this one. That simply doesn't make sense one bit. Thats my biggest thing. Can you prefer the first film yes. But if you saw the first film as good and call this one an abomination is Bs to me.

[Golgo-13]

Oh and btw, was anyone else happy as hell that we finally got a full shot of Optimus Prime transforming from robot to truck, as there were none in TF1...?

[craigdbfan]

Is that how it works? I thought they wanted him alive. When Megs had him before the forest fight, he told Sam he was gonna kill him slowly but needed to the info first, so it would have to wait. From that i assumed they needed him alive.

They needed the Doctor (Scalpel) to analyze Sam to reach a proper conclusion on how they'd get the information. Then the Doctor told Meg's that they needed his brain.

I don't understand why that would be necessary because Scalpel finds the symbols...

Ok now I've confused myself. This is one of the aspects that kind of confused me honestly. Like Sam running towards Prime in Egypt instead of one of the Autobots (preferably Bumblebee) getting him there in a quicker and safer manner.

[Nathan]

Bumblebee had to take care of the parents, the Arcee sisters were shot, Ironhide was also wounded. So he had really no other choice.

[Mr. Earle]

I'd like the guy that has the ability to fuse Transformer parts to have at least some minimal development. Just enough to know a bit about his character. Like we know how Jazz was 2nd in command, Ironhide is the Weapon specialist of the team, Ratchet the medic. Jolt was just some random blue Autobot.Shouldnt Ratchet be the one to do the fusing? I mean, he is the doctor and all...

[craigdbfan]

Bumblebee had to take care of the parents, the Arcee sisters were shot, Ironhide was also wounded. So he had really no other choice.

A Camaro has 4 seats doesn't it? :huh:

Plus before Sam's parents even get dropped off by the Decepticons Sam was already on foot while Bumblebee was just off camera leaving the audience to think "What the heck is Bumblebee doing!?".

[shadowchaser]

Saw it this afternoon...

It was eh, ok, definitely not great. The first one was so much better. Michael Bay pulled a George Lucas and made what was fun about the first one and made it really cheesy the second time around. The movie was one extra act too long. The beginning was great, the ending was great (although it did feel like they rushed it to wrap it up), everything in the middle was dragged out and sucked! Whoever wrote the dialogue should have their hands broken. It was so cheesy. It was like George Lucas wrote it because it reminded of Episodes 1 & 2...thats how bad it was. The romance scenes were eye rolling too. Whose bright idea was it to take the main Autobot characters from the first one, push them into the background to focus on the most racist stereotypical twins?? They are the worst characters since Jar Jar Binks....they made Jar Jar Binks look like Shaft! Did you really need those two for comic relief? You already had every main human character deliver cheesy comic relief...the mother was annoying, ok we get it, she's an idiot...did Shia Lebouf need a new whiny ***** sidekick? Wasn't Bumblebee his sidekick to begin with? Did we need John Turturro back for more than 10 minutes of screen time? In two years, how come Bumblebee still can't talk? The radio speaking got tired quick. Why have Optimus Prime be absent through the entire middle act? Did you really need an Egyptian midget soldier? The main villain, The Fallen, which is supposed to be this biggest bad-ass, lasted about 20 seconds against Prime? WTF? Also, I didn't like the fact that they made Optimus Prime take "pleasure" in destroying the enemy. Heroes don't do that. Its also obvious now and its tired, that Michael Bay has a huge hard-on for the military. He should direct their commercials instead. Everytime when they popped up, the movie started to drag. This movie also had a huge body count...I think more than any Schwarzenegger flick.

The only saving graces that made this movie truly not sucking hard were the special effects, the action scenes, the banter between Megatron and Starscream (which was like the cartoon and comics) and of course Megan Fox...god damm she looked amazing.

I give it a c+

So far the best movies of the summer are Star Trek and The Hangover...

[Nathan]

A Camaro has 4 seats doesn't it? :huh:

Plus before Sam's parents even get dropped off by the Decepticons Sam was already on foot while Bumblebee was just off camera leaving the audience to think "What the heck is Bumblebee doing!?".

Yeah, you're right. I was just thinking about the part when Bee drove off with the parents to bring them to safety. And yet they still appeared when Sam died.

[Golgo-13]

Did Sam die? He looked to me like he was just uncinscience and then had the vision with the Primes. I need to re-watch it. There's too much to take in after one viewing.

[Nathan]

Lennox was giving him a heart massage and checking his breath and we had a medic use a defibrillator on him and then shaking his head. I'm sure Sam was a goner for a short time.

[Gracen1]

my only gripe with these movies so far, and i hope it changes, is that the military and soldiers are getting too much screen time and presence. that's time that the autobots and decepticons can be seeing to develop more. the next film has to get away from having so few autobots because in transformers universe reality, the autobots have sufficient numbers enough to not need the aid of our military as we've seen in these two movies. i could see the autobots using the military for an air strike here or there, but c'mon, they don't need soldiers out on the battlefield with them. more autobots are definitely needed.

[Mr. Earle]

my only gripe with these movies so far, and i hope it changes, is that the military and soldiers are getting too much screen time and presence. that's time that the autobots and decepticons can be seeing to develop more. the next film has to get away from having so few autobots because in transformers universe reality, the autobots have sufficient numbers enough to not need the aid of our military as we've seen in these two movies. i could see the autobots using the military for an air strike here or there, but c'mon, they don't need soldiers out on the battlefield with them. more autobots are definitely needed.That would need a change of director because Bay has a hard on for the military.

[Golgo-13]

my only gripe with these movies so far, and i hope it changes, is that the military and soldiers are getting too much screen time and presence. that's time that the autobots and decepticons can be seeing to develop more. the next film has to get away from having so few autobots because in transformers universe reality, the autobots have sufficient numbers enough to not need the aid of our military as we've seen in these two movies. i could see the autobots using the military for an air strike here or there, but c'mon, they don't need soldiers out on the battlefield with them. more autobots are definitely needed.

Yeah, Bay has a good relationship with the military. Probably moreso than any other Hollywood director. And it's apparant why; he makes them look good.

[Marvin]

you think people are watching this movie because of the bad reviews and negative talk on the forums?

not exactly, i just find it ironic that all those ppl that flamed the talk backs contributed to the box office

i mean they all seen it right


personally I just wonder why it is that last years hulk didn't do as good as this transformers movie
i mean it doesn't have as much jokes or rather "bad humor"
it doesn't have a hack director and bad actors
it doesn't have any jar jar binks characters
it "respects" the material
and plays it straight

hmm

[Golgo-13]

not exactly, i just find it ironic that all those ppl that flamed the talk backs contributed to the box office

i mean they all seen it right


personally I just wonder why it is that last years hulk didn't do as good as this transformers movie
i mean it doesn't have as much jokes or rather "bad humor"
it doesn't have a hack director and bad actors
it doesn't have any jar jar binks characters
it "respects" the material
and plays it straight

hmm

Well in both Hulks and the general audiences defense; Hulk didn't have a first movie that people generally liked to follow as it's sequel. TF2 did. In fact the first Hulk movie contributed negatively and hindered last years movie from doing well.

[Marvin]

That would need a change of director because Bay has a hard on for the military.

what makes you say that?

because he showed very nice shots of their hardware and accurate portrayals of their operation method?

or because he show what our (I'm not american) military would do if aliens attacked earth

see independence day
see day the earth stood still
see mars attacks if you want

is it because in pearl harbor there was so much military shots?
even more then there was in other wars films such as saving private ryan and platoon?

come on, it's not like he put his fetish military shots in bad boys, it comes when it's called for

i'm sure if he directed hulk, and he had the military after him, ppl would cry fowl for bay has a "hard on for the us army"

[Jake Cassidy]

Well in both Hulks and the general audiences defense; Hulk didn't have a first movie that people generally liked to follow as it's sequel. TF2 did. In fact the first Hulk movie contributed negatively and hindered last years movie from doing well.

You forgot the most important part. No-one gives a **** about the Hulk. :grin:

[Golgo-13]

You forgot the most important part. No-one gives a **** about the Hulk. :grin:

Blasphemer!

[Hound89]

not exactly, i just find it ironic that all those ppl that flamed the talk backs contributed to the box office

i mean they all seen it right


personally I just wonder why it is that last years hulk didn't do as good as this transformers movie
i mean it doesn't have as much jokes or rather "bad humor"
it doesn't have a hack director and bad actors
it doesn't have any jar jar binks characters
it "respects" the material
and plays it straight

hmm

ROTF respects its Source Material

Also the Reason why this movie is Doing better is because the Action/CGI is that Damn Good

[Jake Cassidy]

Blasphemer!

:oldrazz:

I actually liked TIH. :yay:

[Golgo-13]

^Cool..all is forgiven. :oldrazz:

I know something that was lacking; the lack of emotion and distress that the Autobots showed now that they were leaderless.

[Jake Cassidy]

That's why they should've kept Jazz. It'd be interesting seeing him take control, reluctantly.

[DarknessOfDeath]

How's it going Golgo. Good to hear you enjoyed ROTF. :up:


You know...I really hope Wheelie comes back in the third one cause he was so awesome in ROTF. So cute. I hope he transforms into the yellow/white/orange car...

[Jake Cassidy]

Yeah, I liked Wheelie, too. I think it's safe to assume that he'll be staying with Mikaela.

[DarknessOfDeath]

and Sam and Bumblebee. :heart:

[Maximum Carnage]

I loved that Spongebob was Wheelie. It made me laugh that much harder everytime he made a joke. :P

[Golgo-13]

How's it going Golgo. Good to hear you enjoyed ROTF. :up:


You know...I really hope Wheelie comes back in the third one cause he was so awesome in ROTF. So cute. I hope he transforms into the yellow/white/orange car...

Thanks, hope you did too.


I thought Wheelie was gonna suck when i saw pics of him on here, but he actually looked cool on screen.....and humping Mikeala's leg.:hehe:

[DarknessOfDeath]

Thanks, hope you did too.


I thought Wheelie was gonna suck when i saw pics of him on here, but he actually looked cool on screen.....and humping Mikeala's leg.:hehe:

lol. I did.

I thought Wheelie was a great addition. I'm still not keen on the part where he humps her leg...lols.


Gawd. I really hope he returns in the third movie. He kinda disappeared after the group arrived in Egypt. Please Bay! Being the little guy back for the third! Pretty please.

[Golgo-13]

I hope Bay returns for movie number 3. Whenever directors bail on the 3rd movie it doesn't feel the same and sucks. I'm not saying Bay's TF movies are perfect, but i want them to have the same feel and vibe throughout the trilogy.

[DarknessOfDeath]

He will. He just wants a year off - a little break before he starts on the third. :up:

[roach]

Transformers 3 by Brett Ratner

[DarknessOfDeath]

Transformers 3 by Brett Ratner


No way! No thanks! I don't want him near this trilogy after what he did with X3. In fact, I don't even wanna go there.

[AnorexicBatman]

OMG! LOLOLOL!!! WHEELIE WAS HUMPING MEGAN'S LEG! THAT WAS SO FUNNY!!! LOL!

Seriously people? This is the kind of humor you like? Juvenile and immature? I don't remember this in the first one.
Hell the worst joke was the lubrication one and that's it!
Did the humping dogs amuse you as well?

I mean "The Hangover" has more sophisticated humor ... and is a better movie

[Mr. Earle]

I just watched it! Hooray!!! My review:

1) Hugo Weaving's voice was clearer this time. In the first movie he sounded more like a monster. Maybe its just me but I prefer the beastly one in the first.
2) Megan Fox's bouncing silicon boobs. I liked them but we all know she had surgery.
3) I liked robo-heaven. The Primes were awesome.
4) Starscream was a wuss. In G1 he had some guts and he often spoke his mind even though he contradicted Megs and without the latter beating him all the time. Megatron lived with Starscream's treachery. Here SS was constantly bowing and hoping that Megatron would spare him, while Megatron was overly abusive towards him. Bay tried but he didnt know how to do it. He just had Megatron beat the **** out of SS every few scenes.
5) Prime dead half the movie. Its OK i guess. Was he dead or in stasis anyway?
6) Torturro was standing right below the biggest decepticon which was destroying a pyramid. Couldnt he like... stand at a distance?
7) Pointless and stupid scenes but they releaved the pressure of the action. That forest scene almost gave me a heart attack.
8) What did Prime say after he killed Grindor and why did his swords turn into... hooks or something? What was that?
9) Prime vs Fallen. Obvious complaint, the almighty Fallen that can teleport and command matter got his ass kicked. If the Fallen's powers were more mechanical (like strenght, durability, weapons and not x-men powers), it wouldnt have seemed so bad when Prime beat him. He is supposed to be a robot anyway, not a god. Those powers were really off.
10) Jetfire was a retard. The farts, the falls, the falling parts, the mumbling, ehh.... Couldnt they make him old without making him look so bad? I liked him nonetheless, mostly because of his accent, his bravery and the way he fought. They should have restored him and let him live! He would have been great in the sequel. The twins should have been the ones to die.
11) Didnt like the teleportation, although Jetfire is one of the elder ones. He is more powerful and has his tricks... So i guess it was justified.
12) The movie had some pretty brutal ****. The Arcees getting blown when they were talking... It was really cruel. Then Prime skins the Fallen and asks for his face. Not a very heroic thing to say. He skinned him and then he punched right through him. What. the. ****. Seriously that was way too gross for me and i didnt have problems with Hostel. Maybe because they didnt skin someone's face. Damn, it was a CGI robot but it felt so real!
13) Prime vs Fallen vs Megatron. Did they really need to shoot behind the columns? Not only was it too fast, but the columns hid some of the action. I could barely tell what was going on. The same with some parts of the forest fight.
14) Jetfire's death was unemotional. Nobody hesitated. And then boom Jean Grey telepathetically moves Jetfire's parts. They mutilated him! In the end, Prime just throws away all the extra parts that gave him the edge over the Fallen. They could easily have been repaired. I knew that in the end Prime was always going to get back to his normal red and blue self, but there could be a better explanation.
15) Black marine guy. What the hell!
16) Couldnt the helicopter not throw Prime's dead body? I mean, he's the greatest leader and warrior of the universe!
17) Bumblebee was so cute when Sam died. Like a puppy.
18) Bay is a freaking retard, but he sure does know how to direct action. Prime flying through the debris and throwing the Fallen down, the forest fight, Shanghai.... WOW! Had Spielberg kept an eye on him and they didnt rush it for release so soon (especially with the writer's strike in the middle of it.... not that Orci and Kurtzman are writters.... they are hacks) it would have been a great movie.
19) All of a sudden Sam's hand is hurt. Bandages out of ****ing nowhere! And they said they wrote the injury in. Like... my dog can write better than that. Seriously.
20) Megatron was ****ing scary. When he interrogated Sam i pooped ma pants!
21) In the end Bay remembered that the movie was running too long, so right after the Fallen dies, Sam kisses Michaela and the movie ends. Too sudden, too rushed.

More will come later as i cant remember everything now.
Feel free to answer, comment, etc.

[SsM]

Could you not use the word retard so much?

[Mr. Earle]

Could you not use the word retard so much?
Its late and i am exhausted. I didnt notice how many times i used it. I removed most of it.

[SsM]

Thanks, slurs were being thrown around A LOT a number of pages back.

[Mr. Earle]

22) Didnt like how Megatron was like Vader. Galvatron was Unicron's servant as well, but we saw him hate Unicron and bow with difficulty. Here Megatron is honestly loyal to the Fallen. It never crossed his mind to use him and then betray him and use his device. I really didnt like seeing Megs like that.
23) Seriously now, i have to emphasize this. That carcass that was left of the Fallen was really gross. In the end he was like a thin kid trying to get away, but Prime grabs him from behind and shoots through him. I'm not saying he shouldnt kill him, but ****, he didnt have to do it this way. Bay was showing off! And i really didnt like the "give me your face" or "i rise you fall", but i did like "they were your brothers too".
24) Which brings me to how stupid the Primes were. They beat the Fallen but then decided to give their lifes to protect the Matrix? What? But he is beaten...
25) Prime being one of the Primes.... Eh.... It could have worked if the Matrix (which would be the combined wisdom and not some key) was passed down to him, so in a sense he would be their descendant and holder of their legacy. But him being one of them? How can anyone compete with him? And then why is he so normal and the Fallen has all these powers?
25) The Fallen should have been superior but his powers shouldnt have been so hax or magic based. And IMHO the best scenario for the end would have to be Prime taking him down with some help. Either from Megatron, or if the plot couldnt enable it, from the Autobots.
26) But if Bay had to wank to Prime and have him beat everyone up, then the Jetfire combo could have been done in a better way. Jetfire could climb on Prime and they could merge like the constructicons did. What the hell were all those flying parts?
27) Megatron's fat legs. His hands were puny but his feet were too fat. I dont know how the toy could work, but in the movie they should have transferred some of the extra fat to his arms.

[Mr. Earle]

Please answer my questions if you can. Like the one about Prime's swords turning into some kind of claws when he rips Grindor's face. I couldnt make out what happened there.
Also, Prime could have easily killed all three had he made his blows count. Why did he punch Megatron in the face with his fist? Where was that blade?

Anyway, its not like they would have killed Megatron.... again...

[Ipodman]

Transformers 3: LMAO???

Hope Bay returns for TF3...

[co2]

I may get slagged for giving my opinion, but here goes.

I thought this movie was just as bad as the last. Two hours and twenty minutes of explosions and such a busy screen, that I just got bored and shut down. I was so disinterested that I honestly found myself dozing off. It was so uncompelling, I really couldn’t tell you what the story was. And that’s what made me realize the handicap these films have beyond just Michael Bay (although that’s a HUGE part of it)…..

The original Transformers are right in my wheelhouse. I watched the cartoon as a kid. I always enjoyed it, but I’m by no means a fanboy. Even as a kid quite a few things bugged me, like how can these metalic beings bash one another around and are still capable of transforming? I mean, In real life you get even the smallest dent in your fender, and your car door won’t open properly. And the movie Transformers are made of thousands of intricate, moving parts, yet they bash one another to a pulp but are still capable of Transforming. That’s just a nit-pick I’ve had for 25 years and I’m sure there is a geeky answer I don’t know about like some sort of metal regeneration. It just seems like any real rules are out the window and that makes me disassociate. But that’s not the the biggest issue.

The biggest problem is this….
Transformers should go down in the history books as one of the greatest toys ever. It’s either a car, truck, or jet..which is also a robot…which is also a puzzle. It’s really genius. But building an actual story underneath that, that is plausible, doesn’t work and never has. The moral robots have aligned themselves and the immoral robots have done the same, and they fight over a leadership matrix..or energon cube…or whatever. It was always very weak. Maybe in the hands of a better story teller it might have been pulled off, but not in the hands of a director who has always been big on flash and low on substance.

Oh well. I can’t say it disapointed me as it was pretty much what I thought it would be. I can say one good thing. It had a good score. That was definitely my favorite thing about it.

[co2]

OMG! LOLOLOL!!! WHEELIE WAS HUMPING MEGAN'S LEG! THAT WAS SO FUNNY!!! LOL!

Seriously people? This is the kind of humor you like? Juvenile and immature? I don't remember this in the first one.
Hell the worst joke was the lubrication one and that's it!
Did the humping dogs amuse you as well?

I mean "The Hangover" has more sophisticated humor ... and is a better movie

The first had just as juvenille humor. Did you forget Bumblebee peeing on people?

[blksuperman2]

I really enjoyed the movie. Was surprised to see female autobots which were cool. Constructicons/Devastor was awesome. Jetfire was lame. A blackbird is hardly an ancient plane. It still holds speed records. Why would a robot need a cane anyway? Some of the foul language was unnessary and I'm surprised they got away w/ most of it and still remained P-13. I wouldn't have taken my kids w/ me if I knew it was that much adult stuff going on.

I was really confused by the whole Prime / Fallen / Megatron thing. If Prime & Megatron are brothers and the Fallen was brothers w/ the Primes wouldn't that make them all related?
Another thing that I didn't quite get was they said that there was Energon hidden on the planet but instead it was just a machine that could convert the sun's energy to make energon?

[SsM]

I really enjoyed the movie. Was surprised to see female autobots which were cool. Constructicons/Devastor was awesome. Jetfire was lame. A blackbird is hardly an ancient plane. It still holds speed records. Why would a robot need a cane anyway? Some of the foul language was unnessary and I'm surprised they got away w/ most of it and still remained P-13. I wouldn't have taken my kids w/ me if I knew it was that much adult stuff going on.

I was really confused by the whole Prime / Fallen / Megatron thing. If Prime & Megatron are brothers and the Fallen was brothers w/ the Primes wouldn't that make them all related?
Another thing that I didn't quite get was they said that there was Energon hidden on the planet but instead it was just a machine that could convert the sun's energy to make energon?


Prime and Megatron are brothers in the sense that you and I are brothers.

[roach]

Prime and Megatron are brothers in the sense that you and I are brothers.

you're related to blksuperman2

[blksuperman2]

Prime and Megatron are brothers in the sense that you and I are brothers.

Oh.. Ok. I thought it was more literal.










Hey bro.. Can I borrow like $5?:oldrazz:

[SolarTiger]

Well I just came back from this movie a couple hours ago. I can honestly say I enjoyed the movie. But this movie had some BIG problems.

I liked the humans and the ancient transformers tie in with history, and the primes story line was interesting, with The Fallen harvesting the sun's energy for energon. The Shanghai scene was pretty kick ass, and swideswipe cutting sideways in half was awesome.

Then the movie goes to Sam getting ready for college, and oh my god the parents were so ****ing annoying, especially the mom, I don't know why everyone was laughing at those parts. Sam just discovering that he has a part of the cube in his shirt after 2 years was weird also. Than Sam goes to college and his mom starts acting like a retard, and he meets his new roommate. Leo was a ***** ass punk in this movie, I hated his character with a passion! The parents and Leo had waaaay too much screen time.

The twins. I liked the ice cream truck design, but of course every autobot must be some pimped out car. They were a bit racist, but I didn't mind them too much and I am black. They were funny at times but they too had too much screen time. Bumblebee still uses his radio, Bay decides to ignore his character growth in the first movie. That Alice girl wasn't a necessary character IMO, just to show off another hot girl. Speaking of hot girls, Mikela in this movie had some nice tits, but didn't really do much except for the cheesy "I love you" line to bring Sam back to life.

And Sam. I like Shia Lebouf as him. But he was over the top at times. Optimus Prime was awesome in this movie. I love the forest scene where he took on Megatron, StarScream, and Blackout. Megatron comes back in like the first hour of the film, and looks completely different even though the parts the took from that other robot didn't match Megatron's final appearence. In the first film Megatron was built up to be a big badass, and he kicked everyone's ass. But in this film he was underpowered. I loved that the film had some classic Megatron and Starscream moments, that was missing in the first film. Aside from Optimus, BumbleBee, Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, the twins, and Wheelie and JetFire, no other robots had a good story. I liked Wheelie's character. I also liked Jetfire, although he looked differnet from what I remember from the show. Jetfire was some old decepticon that lived on Earth a long time ago, and he had the ability to teleport. At first when the decepticon logo was on him, everyone freaks out but he switched sides, and Wheelie immediately switched sides after he was told he can. I LOVED Soundwave in this film, he is such a badass. I hope he has a bigger role in the next movie. Ravage (the tiger bot) was cool also. Agent Simmons was a great character, I thought he was funny and very likeable.

The last 45 minutes of the film were not that great, Sam figures out he can revive Optimus with The Matrix, and the gang goes to Egypt. The main villain of this film, The Fallen can only be beaten by a Prime, so Sam needs to get Optimus alive quickly. The Devastator scene made no sense to me, he is combining, and somehow the constructicons are on the ground fighting the US army. Devastator gets killed by some laser or missile, which was lame. The little scorpion guy from the first movie comes back and lasts only 10 seconds only to be killed by JetFire. What is the point of this?!? After Optimus is revived, him and JetFire combines all sparks and parts and go off to battle with The Fallen and Megatron. This fight was way to short, and Megatron was a ***** in this fight. The Fallen gets beat WAY too easily and than Optimus takes off Jetfire's parts.

This movie was too long and had too much explosions, it was like watching a porno 20 minutes after you came. I did have fun however, and this is an ok popcorn flick. I give this movie a 7/10, great cgi and action, but lacking on character development and poor humor.

[Avengers-Report]

Yahh some things really bothered me. Like when the primes sacrificed themselves for the tomb, how does that help protect it? it is just a bunch of dead bodies lol

[AnorexicBatman]

My Final Verdict:

I will say that the movie’s supporters generally say things like “It’s not supposed to be brilliant, just turn your brain off and have fun!” Sorry but, “turn your brain off” and “have fun” are directly contradictory. I’m not going to give any movie a break and pretend I’m stupid because it has expensive special FX (not good, expensive).

Anyways, it’s sort of a sad statement about entertainment when this quality of movie does so well. It’s just encouraging studios to abandon plot and acting in favor of girls bending over and junk blowing up.

[kedrell]

^You and I are on the exact same page, AB. At least Public Enemies should help wash the bad taste out of my mouth left by TF2.

[Saint]

Well, that was stupid. I know the common opinion is that "At least it was a good action movie," but it wasn't, because good action movies aren't stupid. T2 is a good action movie. The Bourne Ultimatum is a good action movie. This isn't.

"Stupid" is the only way to describe it. The plot is laughably incomplete, there is not an ounce of drama or weight to anything that happens, the characters are completely irrelevant and the film as a whole, is embarrassing. There are entire characters and subplots that do nothing and go nowhere, and don't seem to be in the film for any actual reason at all. I like long movies, but when thirty minutes of your film don't serve any purpose, then your movie is too damn long.

Sam's roommate should not have been in the film. The humanoid decepticon should not have been in the film. The college sequence should not have been in the film. The twins should not have been in the film. The list goes on. These things shouldn't have been in the film because they do nothing. Even though some of them provide humour, it's usually stupid and worthless. Great, the dogs are humping again--and Michael Bay decides to cut to that in the middle of the scene, why, exactly?

The guy must be suffering from the most severe ADD on the planet. Here we are in the middle of--DOGS HUMPING--a scene where stuff that we're supposed to--DOGS HUMPING--think is important is happening, and he keeps jumping over to stupid jokes for no reason.

The soldiers drop Optimus off. That is all they do in this movie. There's a subplot about the government having second thoughts about the autobots, but if you think about it, it's irrelevant. Nothing in the movie is affected by this subplot. If you cut that subplot out of the movie, everything would be exactly the same. This is a symptom of stupid writing. If the things that happen in your movie don't actually matter, that's stupid writing. That's a stupid movie.

As for the action, well, like the first one it was a mixed bag. The robot designs are so hard to read and Michael Bay's directing so erratic that scenes that could have been exceptional become, at best, mediocre, and at worst, completely incomprehensible and worthless.

That said, the movie had one virtue: Optimus Prime. Even though he wasn't given anything to do besides fight, he said and did the things that I expect Optimus Prime to do, and for those parts of the movie, I felt like they had established a direct line to my childhood. Optimus rolling in and decimating the Decepticons before his death gave me flashbacks to Transformers: The Movie. I just wish that there had been an actual movie built around these parts.

[JokerLedger]

I loved all the scenes with Jetfire.
Kickass movie... that's all I'm gonna say.

[Casius--J]

I voted good, I enjoyed the movie but as some of you have said already there were some MAJOR problems with it.

I need to give it another viewing before giving my final verdict, but I will say that it was a bit too long. Take out almost all the college part, the stupid humping scenes and constant "receving communication sir, fire on target blah blah blah" and to me it would be much better!

[Nivek]

I got to say, this film really just illustrates the divide between fan's seeking mindless entertainment, and fan's who want everything dead serious and thought provoking.

Personally, I think alot people need to lighten the hell up. I figure it making $200 million in 5 days would shut up alot of detractors and complainers, but now I see any positivity peppered with people calling anyone who enjoyed it "Stupid, Moronic, Retarded" and all kinds of crap.

[dark_b]

Did Sam die? He looked to me like he was just uncinscience and then had the vision with the Primes. I need to re-watch it. There's too much to take in after one viewing.i really think that Sam just had a vision from the shard from the Allspark. i really dont think it was the TF heaven. but i will say that i think Bay wanted it to look like heaven.

Sam had every information from the allspark. i think when he gets blown up he is just between the line of alive and dead.

[dark_b]

How's it going Golgo. Good to hear you enjoyed ROTF. :up:


You know...I really hope Wheelie comes back in the third one cause he was so awesome in ROTF. So cute. I hope he transforms into the yellow/white/orange car...i also o hope he comes back. i think he will be shown like a pet in the third movie. like a little dog.

[dark_b]

I
16) Couldnt the helicopter not throw Prime's dead body? I mean, he's the greatest leader and warrior of the universe!

that was the point. remember after Shanghai how they had soldiers with them on the plane? how they showed respect? OP was also a soldier and a good one who did good things for the last 2 years. and when he was dead they just threw him down like he is just a machine.

i think this was a great scene and showed how humans just didnt care for the robots. i also liked how ironhide than says that they should left earth when they told them.

[KingOfMars]

I got to say, this film really just illustrates the divide between fan's seeking mindless entertainment, and fan's who want everything dead serious and thought provoking.

Personally, I think alot people need to lighten the hell up. I figure it making $200 million in 5 days would shut up alot of detractors and complainers, but now I see any positivity peppered with people calling anyone who enjoyed it "Stupid, Moronic, Retarded" and all kinds of crap.
I agree.I cant help but feel that most of the critics of this film think they are more intelligent than they truly are.

[Nathan]

Don't forget those that want a good middle ground. I didn't mind most of the humor in the first Movie and it honestly made me laugh. Here it's just way too much and way too dumb.

[kedrell]

I agree.I cant help but feel that most of the critics of this film think they are more intelligent than they truly are.


You see I have a different take on that. I think the majority of fans of this movie are far dumber than they realize.

[dark_b]

Don't forget those that want a good middle ground. I didn't mind most of the humor in the first Movie and it honestly made me laugh. Here it's just way too much and way too dumb.it would nice if there was a more middle ground.

[KingOfMars]

You see I have a different take on that. I think the majority of fans of this movie are far dumber than they realize.
let me be clear.I can accept a critique i find honest and thoughtfull, but most of the reviewers act just as juvenile as they claim the movie to be.I am beyond *****ing and moaning about racial steriotypes and moronic humor because it all depends on the individual, some may be offended because as i stated earlier they are sensitive pussies, some may not, personally i didnt care for any of this and i didnt let it effect me, sure it was plagued with a great deal of nonsence, but i never looked down my nose at the people who thrived on it and then patted my back for doing so, in the end all that matters in life is living in bliss.

[kedrell]

it would nice if there was a more middle ground.

Bay didn't make a film for the middle ground. The first film is a bit closer to that(critics split 50/50 on it), but no way is this film in that category.

[kedrell]

let me be clear.I can accept a critique i find honest and thoughtfull, but most of the reviewers act just as juvenile as they claim the movie to be.I am beyond *****ing and moaning about racial steriotypes and moronic humor because it all depends on the individual, some may be offended because as i stated earlier they are sensitive pussies, some may not, personally i didnt care for any of this and i didnt let it effect me, sure it was plagued with a great deal of nonsence, but i never looked down my nose at the people who thrived on it and then patted my back for doing so, in the end all that matters in life is living in bliss.

If this film was making Resident Evil numbers, then most of the complaining would cease. Because it would be right where it's film quality dictates it should be. But it's likely to be the biggest film of the year, and that is a whole other ball-game.

[Nivek]

I think the majority of fans of this movie are far dumber than they realize.


See, I think comments like this are unnecessary and antagonistic. You don't like it, say your peace, and move on. Don't keep coming on here and insult other peoples intelligence like you have an edge over anyone else.

[Marvin]

If this film was making Resident Evil numbers, then most of the complaining would cease. Because it would be right where it's film quality dictates it should be. But it's likely to be the biggest film of the year, and that is a whole other ball-game.

which is where all the talk of agenda's and "hate" (ers) comes into play

sorry folks if this film aimed for the middle ground it would be making hulk money and that's a fact

a lot of so so strong films go under the radar but this movie was so big
a lot of people saw something they liked in the first, and it looks like a high production(unlike say gi joe which looks like a bbc movie)

if anyone is wondering why the reviews were to the level of ruthlessness they were at is because bay really did his thing this time and its making tons of money
that just rubs people the wrong way



it's funny cause when bay made his first attempt at a "thought provoking" film(ISLAND), the critics literally said, "see, I told you he's a stupid hack, he needs to stick to the big dumb spectacle films cause he sure as hell shouldn't be making movies about real humans"

bay retorts

"meh...LETS....ROLL..":whatever:

[Nathan]

sorry folks if this film aimed for the middle ground it would be making hulk money and that's a fact

So... if Bay wouldn't have put humping dogs in there, not given us a shot of Turturro's ass and avoided to put a ton of sexual innuendos in there, it wouldn't have made $200mil+. Is that what you're saying?

[dark_b]

So... if Bay wouldn't have put humping dogs in there, not given us a shot of Turturro's ass and avoided to put a ton of sexual innuendos in there, it wouldn't have made $200mil+. Is that what you're saying?it would make the same amount of money IMO. people wanted robots and ,shia,megan and some humor.

i think people dont care for the ass shots. they found them funny like as a joke that you will never remember. but it didnt piss them off to hate the whole movie.
so yes without those jokes it would make the same amount of money IMO.

thats why i am saying that we need Spielberg back. he needs to be on the set. he needs to see when they are doing some rewrittes on the set. he needs to say ''Mike less is more''. that way more fans will like it ....because the masses will come in the theater.

i want to see this again
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8607/image83415607863t37283.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/i/image83415607863t37283.jpg/)
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5686/slabeouf052209.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/i/slabeouf052209.jpg/)

[Casius--J]

it would make the same amount of money IMO. people wanted robots and ,shia,megan and some humor.

i think people dont care for the ass shots. they found them funny like as a joke that you will never remember. but it didnt piss them off to hate the whole movie.
so yes without those jokes it would make the same amount of money IMO.

thats why i am saying that we need Spielberg back. he needs to be on the set. he needs to see when they are doing some rewrittes on the set. he needs to say ''Mike less is more''. that way more fans will like it ....because the masses will come in the theater.

i want to see this again
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8607/image83415607863t37283.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/i/image83415607863t37283.jpg/)
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5686/slabeouf052209.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/i/slabeouf052209.jpg/)

I agree I think if spielberg had been more involved in this picture the film would more family friendly!

[Nathan]

I'm really surprised that this kind of languange and adult humor made it in the movie in the first place. I thought this is a kids franchise? I'm not saying keep everything PG, but honestly, robots saying b**ch and f**k. Was that needed?

[Sarge 2.0]

No robot said f**k, but they did say pussy, a-hole, dumbass, and i think one of them said s**t. And Sam's mom said s**t several times. So yes this movie is NOT for kids, in spite of the fact that roughly 50% of the audience is going to be kids.

[Nathan]

I thought Wheelie said it at least once when he made the Graveyard comment.

*edit*

Meant house of horrors, not graveyard.

[Sarge 2.0]

Well, that was stupid. I know the common opinion is that "At least it was a good action movie," but it wasn't, because good action movies aren't stupid. T2 is a good action movie. The Bourne Ultimatum is a good action movie. This isn't.

"Stupid" is the only way to describe it. The plot is laughably incomplete, there is not an ounce of drama or weight to anything that happens, the characters are completely irrelevant and the film as a whole, is embarrassing. There are entire characters and subplots that do nothing and go nowhere, and don't seem to be in the film for any actual reason at all. I like long movies, but when thirty minutes of your film don't serve any purpose, then your movie is too damn long.

Sam's roommate should not have been in the film. The humanoid decepticon should not have been in the film. The college sequence should not have been in the film. The twins should not have been in the film. The list goes on. These things shouldn't have been in the film because they do nothing. Even though some of them provide humour, it's usually stupid and worthless. Great, the dogs are humping again--and Michael Bay decides to cut to that in the middle of the scene, why, exactly?

The guy must be suffering from the most severe ADD on the planet. Here we are in the middle of--DOGS HUMPING--a scene where stuff that we're supposed to--DOGS HUMPING--think is important is happening, and he keeps jumping over to stupid jokes for no reason.

The soldiers drop Optimus off. That is all they do in this movie. There's a subplot about the government having second thoughts about the autobots, but if you think about it, it's irrelevant. Nothing in the movie is affected by this subplot. If you cut that subplot out of the movie, everything would be exactly the same. This is a symptom of stupid writing. If the things that happen in your movie don't actually matter, that's stupid writing. That's a stupid movie.

As for the action, well, like the first one it was a mixed bag. The robot designs are so hard to read and Michael Bay's directing so erratic that scenes that could have been exceptional become, at best, mediocre, and at worst, completely incomprehensible and worthless.

That said, the movie had one virtue: Optimus Prime. Even though he wasn't given anything to do besides fight, he said and did the things that I expect Optimus Prime to do, and for those parts of the movie, I felt like they had established a direct line to my childhood. Optimus rolling in and decimating the Decepticons before his death gave me flashbacks to Transformers: The Movie. I just wish that there had been an actual movie built around these parts.
Here's the thing, not only is it a bad action movie because it's stupid, it's a bad action movie because it was boring. There's no excuse for boring in an action movie. And you're right that Optimus may have been the saving grace of this movie (there is only one good moment in the entire movie: Optimus beating the **** out of Starscream, Megatron, and some other unnamed Decepticon). Too bad he's dead for most of it. Even his fight with the Fallen was boring. He also said some things that I would never expect Optimus to say like "Any last words?" and the worst was "Give me your face!". I mean, wtf?

[Sarge 2.0]

I thought Wheelie said it at least once when he made the Graveyard comment.
He said "frickin" in that scene I think. Mudflap or Skids - I forget which - almost said "mother****er" but got cut off.

[marvelman2006]

I dont know how to review this thing because im half and half on it.
on one side i loved the action and anything including the autobots, and thought some of the jokes worked.

on the other side i still couldnt tell what was going on in some of the action scenes because the camera was too close and some of the other jokes didnt work.

its weird thinking about it becasue so much stuff did work and at the same time the stuff that didnt work came from the stuff that did work.
Why is it so hard though in today's movie making for these directors to simply pull the camera back and lets us see whats going on. They have a boner for putting camera as close as possible.

[SpiderByte]

Just watched the movie. And I must say, most of my thoughts have already been posted. It does seem rushed and yet some parts just dragged. In other words, pacing could have been tighter. Also, some parts that struck a nerve:

A fellow robot died in order to give Optimus his upgrade. Upon beating the Fallen, what does he do? Chucks it aside like so much waste.

The Fallen revealed the Transformers' existence and announced he was after Sam. The movie also indicated that the government was considering said option. Yet, at no point did it feel as though other humans were after him. Sure, he was on a 'wanted list' but again, nothing came of it.

There were far, far too many Transformers on both sides and at the climax. I couldn't tell them apart and more importantly, I couldn't tell whose side they were on. It was just too chaotic to appreciate.

Lastly, Devastator's size could have been done better. Why have a humongous Transformer built from several vehicles and not put another Transformer beside for scale comparison? Then, there's the really big one at the start of the movie, making Devastator's initial appearance all the less impressive

In order:

Welll what was he supposed to do? with all that junk on he couldn't transform.

Thats because they hadn't really acted on it yet. they got confirmation from egypt, but just to keep an eye on him.

I'll give you a hint: the autobots you see in the beginning are the ones you see in the end. no new autobots join during the final battle. how hard is that to understand? only the decepticons got new allies at the end, not autobots.

What the hell do you mean by "there were no transformers near him" What about the twins? They were CLIMBING on him!

[Colossal Spoons]

Here's the thing, not only is it a bad action movie because it's stupid, it's a bad action movie because it was boring. There's no excuse for boring in an action movie. And you're right that Optimus may have been the saving grace of this movie (there is only one good moment in the entire movie: Optimus beating the **** out of Starscream, Megatron, and some other unnamed Decepticon). Too bad he's dead for most of it. Even his fight with the Fallen was boring. He also said some things that I would never expect Optimus to say like "Any last words?" and the worst was "Give me your face!". I mean, wtf?

I need to leave this thread. The more posts like this I read, the more I agree with them :( OP's badass lines were cool, but def out of character.

[Nathan]

When he beat the Fallen, we should've gotten the line "I thought you were made of sterner stuff." It would've fit better, because honestly, I'm sure we all thought what a push over the Fallen was. Not only that, the line also sounds less blood thirsty.

[Mr. Earle]

What i really liked was Lennox's character. How he taps Ironhide's bonnet telling him something, talks to the Arcees, asks for Sideswipe to get in the action, and finally.... when he learns about Optimus' death. He seemed to be friends with the robots.
Basically all the NEST soldiers were friends with the autobots and stood up for them. I loved that part.

What i didnt like was the Starscream/Megatron dynamic, as i said in my review as well. Megatron was abusing SS all the time for no reason. In G1 Starscream often contradicts Megatron but Megatron is barely abset. He knows about SS's treacherous ways but he wants him next to him because of his strategical mind and his abilities. He only beats him when its necessary. Here Bay tried to do what we were whining about the first movie. He made SS a pussy constantly bowing to Meg who was like a wife beater. I didnt like it.

[AnorexicBatman]

Considering the Fallen was such a wuss... I wouldn't be surprised if Sam kills Unicron in TF3
I mean really. Whatever happened to the Bay who liked epic climactic battles?

[Mr. Earle]

Here's the thing, not only is it a bad action movie because it's stupid, it's a bad action movie because it was boring. There's no excuse for boring in an action movie. And you're right that Optimus may have been the saving grace of this movie (there is only one good moment in the entire movie: Optimus beating the **** out of Starscream, Megatron, and some other unnamed Decepticon). Too bad he's dead for most of it. Even his fight with the Fallen was boring. He also said some things that I would never expect Optimus to say like "Any last words?" and the worst was "Give me your face!". I mean, wtf?
I agree with you. I ve been saying this in the "Prime is too brutal" thread for like... forever! Thank you!

[Golgo-13]

This movie requires MULTIPLE viewings to take in all the information, but:

How did Jetfire get to the museum again, and why was he in-active? I spilled my soda on my lap during that scene and missed some of the dialogue.

[AnorexicBatman]

No wonder it's making so much money, people have to see it multiple times just to understand the damn thimg :hehe:

[Colossal Spoons]

This movie requires MULTIPLE viewings to take in all the information, but:

How did Jetfire get to the museum again, and why was he in-active? I spilled my soda on my lap during that scene and missed some of the dialogue.

Spilled soda or not, I don't know why Jetfire was inactive in the museum haha

[Nathan]

This movie requires MULTIPLE viewings to take in all the information, but:

How did Jetfire get to the museum again, and why was he in-active? I spilled my soda on my lap during that scene and missed some of the dialogue.

He was in-active because he ran out of Energon. It's also the reason why he appears rusty and starts to fall apart. So while in-active and in his alt mode, he someday ended up in the Museum. Question is, how did Wheelie now everyone's location? Did someone catch that part?

[AnorexicBatman]

He's old and crotchety.
Smithsonian = Retirement home for old old old Autobots/Decepticons
I wish he was called 'Skyfire' at some point... just as a reference...

[anrrd_2]

why didnt sam just use the spark fragment to revive OP instead of jetfire???

[Colossal Spoons]

why didnt sam just use the spark fragment to revive OP instead of jetfire???

Jetfire wasn't "dead"

[Mr. Earle]

why didnt sam just use the spark fragment to revive OP instead of jetfire???Because.... Because **** you, thats why!!!

I am kidding man! :grin:

[Nathan]

Jetfire wasn't "dead"

Megatron was. But he got revived with a Spark fragment.

[anrrd_2]

but megs was, and they used a spark fragment to bring him back..

[anrrd_2]

Because.... Because **** you, thats why!!!



I am kidding man!



little boy: why did all the primes die?

museum attendent: because you touch yourself at night!

:)

Megatron was. But he got revived with a Spark fragment.
:up: you beat me:oldrazz:

[Mr. Earle]

Jetfire wasn't "dead"
But Megatron was and it worked on him just fine!

EDIT: You guys got me!

[Erzengel]

8 out of 10.

The first one was better although, I enjoyed the action more in this one. Especially with Optimus going up against Megatron, Starscream and I think Grindor in the forest. :up:

My biggest problem with this movie is giving Megatron a Master. Megatron in any incarnation would never subjugate himself to anyone, Unicron withstanding.

[roach]

but megs was, and they used a spark fragment to bring him back..

they also had to sacrifice another Decepticon in the process

[Nathan]

Just because they needed the body parts since he was missing an arm and a leg.

[roach]

Prime's chest was missing...who was gonna replace his chest

[anrrd_2]

really? they did? i must have missed that part....anyway OP wasnt missing any limbs...just his mechanical entrales ;)

[roach]

really? they did? i must have missed that part....anyway OP wasnt missing any limbs...just his mechanical entrales ;)

it may be easier to reattach an arm than rebuild someones insides

[Nathan]

Optimus got the Matrix shoved into his Spark, just like Megatron got the Allspark fragment shoved into his. They didn't do anything special and repair Optimus first. That Matrix revived him even with his chest blown wide open. I'm sure an Allspark fragment would've done the trick as well. Especially since the Allspark is also shown to repair Transformers, as seen with Frenzy.

[anrrd_2]

not for a robot....to reattach an arm you need to sacrifice another robot. to rebuild a robots insides all you need is some magic robot pixie dust :)

[Colossal Spoons]

Megatron was. But he got revived with a Spark fragment.

but megs was, and they used a spark fragment to bring him back..

But Megatron was and it worked on him just fine!

EDIT: You guys got me!

Don't yell at me! :p

Speaking of bringing Megs back, it looked like a smaller Decepticon was sacrificed in order to get parts. Is that what happened? And if so, who was the unlucky donor?

[Erzengel]

Don't yell at me! :p

Speaking of bringing Megs back, it looked like a smaller Decepticon was sacrificed in order to get parts. Is that what happened? And if so, who was the unlucky donor?
Scrapper - A yellow Caterpillar 992G scoop loader who forms the right arm. Confusingly in the movie, their appeared to be three Scrappers, One of the Scrapper was killed by his fellow constructicons brutally cannibalising his parts when Scalpel demanded more parts for rebuilding Megatron in the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss. In the film's climax, another Scrapper in vehicle mode is seen merging with the other six Constructicons to form Devastator; this one is killed when Devastator is destroyed by an experimental rail gun. The individual Scrapper is seen pursing Sam and Mikaela in Egypt during the final battle, he is killed with Long Haul after some fighter jets drop bombs on them.

:huh:

[Colossal Spoons]

I thought it was Scrapper. The multiple constructicons were confusing. Hell, there were 2 Rampages and they weren't even the same color haha.

[Erzengel]

Also, how come when Bumblebee transformed into a robot he still looks like the old Camaro? :huh:

[dark_b]

Also, how come when Bumblebee transformed into a robot he still looks like the old Camaro? :huh:really? i didnt even noticed this. when was this?

[Colossal Spoons]

Cuz he didn't scan the new one in his robot form :o

[Erzengel]

really? i didnt even noticed this. when was this?
Pretty much throughout the entire movie. I distinctly remember it in the garage scene and when he's trying to console Sam after Optimus died.

[dark_b]

he is not the old camaro.

http://www.comingsoon.net/imageGallery/Transformers__Revenge_of_the_Fallen

[Erzengel]

Maybe it was cause he looked dirty? But I have to rewatch the movie again to be sure but I could have sworn he looked like the old one when he was a robot. :huh:

[Nathan]

I think it's just that he looks dirty as hell. He's definitely got the new Camaro's side mirrors in robot mode.

[Nivek]

Also, how come when Bumblebee transformed into a robot he still looks like the old Camaro? :huh:

All the robots were scraped up and dirty in humanoid form, but were clean and showroom quality. Bumblebee never had the old Camero style chest in TF2.

Of course, another continuity error in the films. Same was true in the first film as well.

[dark_b]

its an artistic choice. when they are in robot mode it looks more interesting if they have dirt and scratches. and it looks mroe cool and ''pretty'' if they are clean in car mode.

like how supermans cape never has any cloth wrinkles inside. like how supermans suit is under hes normal clothes. the same for spiderman. like how batman's cape gets bigger when he is standing on a statue or when he is gliding.

artistic choices to make the movie look as best as it can be. i respect that some people have problems because its unrealistic and its actually fantasy. its magic. but its movie magic.

[dark_b]

i am very happy that they gave Sideswipe such a badass scene in the beginning. i dont have a problem that they didnt show more action from him because they had a lot of robots inside the movie.
but i only see here what a great designe he had. he really looks like a superhero from a comic.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2770/transformers20090409sid.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/i/transformers20090409sid.jpg/)

[kedrell]

This pretty much sums up the movie quite well:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1

[dark_b]

they are making some stuff up.

[Dark Knight]

This pretty much sums up the movie quite well:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1




LOL!

Michael Bay sucks!

[The Guard]

"Stupid" is the only way to describe it. The plot is laughably incomplete

What's incomplete about it? The lack of resolution? What kind of story would you liked to have seen?

The soldiers drop Optimus off. That is all they do in this movie.
There's a subplot about the government having second thoughts about the autobots, but if you think about it, it's irrelevant. Nothing in the movie is affected by this subplot.

It gives them something to do in the plot, and raises the stakes of that element a bit, making it more than just another NEST outing. It shows the broader bond between the NEST team and their robot overlords. :). And it's conflict. It's one of the few conflicts found in the film, one of the few elements of Transformer/human interaction that is explored.

A fellow robot died in order to give Optimus his upgrade. Upon beating the Fallen, what does he do? Chucks it aside like so much waste. A fellow robot died to give Optimus his strength back.

1. Jetfire was more or less already dying. He seemed to know this.

2. As someone said, what's Prime going to do, transform into a semi with jet wings?

What i didnt like was the Starscream/Megatron dynamic, as i said in my review as well. Megatron was abusing SS all the time for no reason. In G1 Starscream often contradicts Megatron but Megatron is barely abset.

4) Starscream was a wuss. In G1 he had some guts and he often spoke his mind even though he contradicted Megs and without the latter beating him all the time. Megatron lived with Starscream's treachery. Here SS was constantly bowing and hoping that Megatron would spare him, while Megatron was overly abusive towards him.

It's from the comics. Megatron's constantly shooting Starscream, beating on him when he talks back, etc. Starscream spoke his mind a bit in the movie, didn't he?

22) Didnt like how Megatron was like Vader. Galvatron was Unicron's servant as well, but we saw him hate Unicron and bow with difficulty. Here Megatron is honestly loyal to the Fallen. It never crossed his mind to use him and then betray him and use his device.

I thought the film made it pretty clear that Megatron was loyal to the Fallen's ideas, because he wanted the machine to be used for Energon purposes. When Prime took The Fallen on, Megatron wasn't exactly helping. He fled with Starscream, and left his mentor/master to die.

Re: The Allspark and the Matrix reviving and killing...both in the comics have multiple uses and meanings. It's something of a MacGuffin. Always has been.

[sandmjuggalos]

I loved the movie. I have issues with story and bots but hey...it's Bay. I see you guys talking about healing and such and I thought of this: Starscream got beat with his own severed arm by Megatron but in the same scene, you can see Starscream re-attaching his arm on top of the building. Why could this not be done by Megatron or other bots?

[The Guard]

Is there anything funnier than Starscream getting hit with his own arm?

I'm pretty sure it can be done by other robots. Bumblee was badly damaged in the first movie, and managed to be repaired. They can take a decent amount of damage, but if their spark cores are destroyed or the damage is really extensive, they're done. Hence Jazz not returning, Megatron overloading in TRANSFORMERS, and Prime and The Fallen dying in ROTF.

[LightningFlash]

Awesome movie.

I just wish they didn't have Jolt in it(stupid GM) and had more scenes with Sideswipe.

[sandmjuggalos]

Awesome movie.

I just wish they didn't have Jolt in it(stupid GM) and had more scenes with Sideswipe.

Aren't Jolt, Sideswipe, Bumblebee, and the twins ALL Chevy?

[Nathan]

Stupid Jolt? He didn't even do anything to give you a chance to dislike him.

[LightningFlash]

Aren't Jolt, Sideswipe, Bumblebee, and the twins ALL Chevy?

People don't think...

GM made Bay use Jolt. Jolt was never in the script, or at least all but the final script. Hence why I said stupid GM. They, like Arad, pushed their vehicle Volt to be in the film. Which was idiotic, because in the end, Jolt was shown maybe four times, and one stupid scene...which I'll talk about right....

Stupid Jolt? He didn't even do anything to give you a chance to dislike him.

...now. Ratchet should've been the one to put Jetfire and Prime together. Instead they used Jolt which was stupid seeing as how Ratchet is supposed to be the Autobot doctor. So, yah. I dislike him because GM made Bay have to use him, and also, with a scene that should've belong to Ratchet, instead Ratchet was just telling Jolt what to do.

Sorry, but that was lame.

[Colossal Spoons]

Stupid Jolt? He didn't even do anything to give you a chance to dislike him.

Seriously lol. I'd have loved to see Jolt and Rampage get into a whip fight

And I thought Jolt just supplied the juice for Prime and Jetfire's fusion. Electricity alone won't do anything so I'm sure Ratchet did more than it looked like.

[Mr. Earle]

It gives them something to do in the plot, and raises the stakes of that element a bit, making it more than just another NEST outing. It shows the broader bond between the NEST team and their robot overlords. :). And it's conflict. It's one of the few conflicts found in the film, one of the few elements of Transformer/human interaction that is explored.
I liked the humans in this movie as well. The relationship of the soldiers and the autobots was well done as was the goverment's interference.
1. Jetfire was more or less already dying. He seemed to know this.

2. As someone said, what's Prime going to do, transform into a semi with jet wings?He took his spark too quickly so there was no time to talk him out of it. But there was no emotion after that whatsoever. Only a "hurry, lets do the upgrade". Jetfire was majestic in the final scene making up for his foolishness in the Smithsonian.
Then, i knew that Prime would return to his normal self. Its Prime, he will always be a red and blue truck. Always. But there could be a better excuse to dump the parts, because normally, he could use them to augment his size. With the extra parts he could easily have acquired the ability to turn into a jet. And btw, since the autobots can travel through space, its pretty lame that they dont fly when they really need to. Sure they turn into cars and not jets, but they could grow turbines like Bee makes his hand into a cannon. Anyway.... maybe its better that they dont all fly or it would get too complicated, not to mention that it helps the plot. The decepticons can easily reinforce megatron while the autobots have to drive there. It enables the plot i guess.

It's from the comics. Megatron's constantly shooting Starscream, beating on him when he talks back, etc. Starscream spoke his mind a bit in the movie, didn't he?I havent read the comics, but i found it over the top in the movie. SS didnt speak his mind. All he did was bow to Megatron. And if the comics do it this way too, then i am sorry but this is doing it wrong. Megatron keeps SS in his army because he uses his skills and brain (the same happened with Megatron and that pterodactyl in beast wars). He often punishes him when SS betrays him. Here Megatron was being sadistic and overly abusive for no reason except the first time when Megs was mad for being left for dead. I would have been happier if in the rest of the scenes it was limited to verbal exchange and scornful remarks. The worst part was in the end where SS suggested they retreated. The way he did it made it look like he was on his knees kissing Megatron's feet.
So anyway, would you care to give more details about their relationship in the comics?

I thought the film made it pretty clear that Megatron was loyal to the Fallen's ideas, because he wanted the machine to be used for Energon purposes. When Prime took The Fallen on, Megatron wasn't exactly helping. He fled with Starscream, and left his mentor/master to die.Megatron helped a lot, but was damaged and thrown out of the battle. When he stood up the Fallen was already dead, so there was no point in fighting Prime as SS suggested.

Megatron was too loyal for his own good. Even if he shared the Fallen's goal, he should have been lusting for his place and his power. And i hated the forced "apprentice" remarks. They werent needed and they were really throwing us back to Star Wars.

[LightningFlash]

It didn't show it then. All it showed was Ratchet talking. Unless he used Cybertronian witchcraft?

[Mr. Earle]

Aren't Jolt, Sideswipe, Bumblebee, and the twins ALL Chevy?
The Arcees were Agustas or Aprilias if i remember correctly. GM doent do bikes.
In any case i have no problem with the product placement. Its been well suited so far. Only Jolt and the Twins were off. Jolt transforms into the ugliest car ever made, and the Twins transform into those stupid little cars that GM doest even sell. Of course they cant be all super coupes, but... come on.......now. Ratchet should've been the one to put Jetfire and Prime together. Instead they used Jolt which was stupid seeing as how Ratchet is supposed to be the Autobot doctor. So, yah. I dislike him because GM made Bay have to use him, and also, with a scene that should've belong to Ratchet, instead Ratchet was just telling Jolt what to do.

Sorry, but that was lame.Indeed. Bad choice. Not to mention that the upgrade should have been done mechanically and not... telepathetically...

[William15]

Saw the movie last Saturday. I liked it, but it had a lot of moments, that were absolutely cringeworthy. Sometimes I just couldn't look at the screen. But I know that people like average Joe and that beautiful blonde girlfriend of his, who's always sitting behind us, doesn't matter which theater you're in, gonna love it.

I loathed the German surgical robot and I was disgusted by the little robot humping Megan Fox' leg. I hate it when dogs do it, and I hate it even more when Robots do it.

I like Optimus Prime, he was good in the movie, but there were a lot of WTF moments.

It was like watching Family Guy, so I thought up some future segments of the show:

*Insert Family Guy Segment*


Head Office Warner Brothers - Meeting with Michael Bay and Story Developers.

Michael Bay:,, What does this movie need? Tell me! I wanna know. You tell me Clyde.''

*Looks at Clyde who's holding some great artwork and some classic Comic Books*

Clyde:,, Well I read this great origin story, which tells us-''

*Michael Bay interrupts*
M.B.: **** you Clyde!You're fired! Peter Griffin! What does the 2nd movie need?''

*Peter looks nervously around him*

Peter Griffin:,, Explosions...?'' He whispers.

M.B.:,,Yes!'' What else!?''

P. G.:,,Potty Humor?''

M.B.:,, Yes! Yes!''

P.G.:,, Ghetto... (M.B.:,,Yes!!) ... N*gger (M.B.:,, Yes!!!'')... Robots...?

M.B.,,YES! YES! YES!''

P.G.:,,... And a Robot ****!''


M.B.:,,YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!'' *His head explodes, just like in one of his movies*

Another example:

Brian:,, Peter this is even worse then the time you screwed upTransformers 2!''

*We see Peter sneeking around the Warner Brothers lot*

*He opens a safe in Michael Bays office*

P.G.:,,Let's see what mister Bay is up to this time. Transformers 2 ey. This is actually pretty epic. But it definitely needs some swearing and-

*We see Peter reworking the whole script*

P.G.:,, Robots that fart. Robots that cry. Inconsistencies... Well that should be enough to piss of the fa- Oh wait! Giant robot with testicles.'' (Peter starts laughing as he always does)

Yesterday I read an interview where a guy asked stupid questions about this film to himself. Now I can't find it anymore. Can someone pass me the link? It was hillarious. Like the fact that Michael Bay hates math:whatever:

[Nathan]

Seriously lol. I'd have loved to see Jolt and Rampage get into a whip fight

And I thought Jolt just supplied the juice for Prime and Jetfire's fusion. Electricity alone won't do anything so I'm sure Ratchet did more than it looked like.

It didn't look like Ratchet did anything at all. He really only told Jolt to juice them. And then Magic.

[Nathan]

He took his spark too quickly so there was no time to talk him out of it. But there was no emotion after that whatsoever. Only a "hurry, lets do the upgrade".

As much as I agree with most complains, in this scenario there was simply no time. You have the Fallen who's about to snuff out the sun and Jetfire already tore his Spark out. In that moment, there is no time for hesitation. They had to act.

[Mr. Earle]

What i also liked was when Ratchet suggests they left the planet and Ironhide goes "thats not what Prime would have wanted". I dont know about you guys, but to me these two look like veterans, older than Bumblebee and i would have wanted to see more of them in that scene (and other scenes of course). But all we got were the kid autobots (bee included since he behaves like one very often) and not some mature emotional scene from the grown ups. I was starving for a few more seconds of Ironhide talking to Ratchet about what to do. They would have been the ones to take over anyway.

Btw, dont get me wrong. I love bumblebee and that wonderful scene where he comforts Sam.

And since i have this idea about Ironhide, you dont want to get me started on his "punkass decepticon" line. Seriously....

[GhostPoet]

You know...i'd say my biggest complaint was how the idea behind the movie is that the Autobots are there to protect the humans from the Decepticons...but the way Bay had things...it seemed more like the humans were doing the protecting. why have the autobots in it?

[AnorexicBatman]

It may sound pretentious but would hit have been too much to ask for a little more sophistuicated dialog. Something like this:

Jetfire (looking at Lennox): Why do you trust them so much Prime?
Optimus: The humans? They have proven their worth...
Jetfire: I'm an old war-horse... I see fear in their eyes... lack of confidence
Optimus: I see hope and guts... and I trust them. But do you trust me?
Jetfire: always...

*cue crazy whiz bang action scene*

Few simple lines and it adds a whole lot of character.
Though there is almost no point in discussing it...

[Angry Sentinel]

Guard I've been saying this for years, and I'm still saying it... You just defend movies just to see if you can, don't you. Just admit it, you could give a rat's tail about this movie, you just enjoy batting around people's criticisms to see if you can change their minds.

[Mr. Earle]

Saw the movie last Saturday. I liked it, but it had a lot of moments, that were absolutely cringeworthy. Sometimes I just couldn't look at the screen. But I know that people like average Joe and that beautiful blonde girlfriend of his, who's always sitting behind us, doesn't matter which theater you're in, gonna love it.

I loathed the German surgical robot and I was disgusted by the little robot humping Megan Fox' leg. I hate it when dogs do it, and I hate it even more when Robots do it.

I like Optimus Prime, he was good in the movie, but there were a lot of WTF moments.

It was like watching Family Guy, so I thought up some future segments of the show:

*Insert Family Guy Segment*


Head Office Warner Brothers - Meeting with Michael Bay and Story Developers.

Michael Bay:,, What does this movie need? Tell me! I wanna know. You tell me Clyde.''

*Looks at Clyde who's holding some great artwork and some classic Comic Books*

Clyde:,, Well I read this great origin story, which tells us-''

*Michael Bay interrupts*
M.B.: **** you Clyde!You're fired! Peter Griffin! What does the 2nd movie need?''

*Peter looks nervously around him*

Peter Griffin:,, Explosions...?'' He whispers.

M.B.:,,Yes!'' What else!?''

P. G.:,,Potty Humor?''

M.B.:,, Yes! Yes!''

P.G.:,, Ghetto... (M.B.:,,Yes!!) ... N*gger (M.B.:,, Yes!!!'')... Robots...?

M.B.,,YES! YES! YES!''

P.G.:,,... And a Robot ****!''


M.B.:,,YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS SSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!'' *His head explodes, just like in one of his movies*

Another example:

Brian:,, Peter this is even worse then the time you screwed upTransformers 2!''

*We see Peter sneeking around the Warner Brothers lot*

*He opens a safe in Michael Bays office*

P.G.:,,Let's see what mister Bay is up to this time. Transformers 2 ey. This is actually pretty epic. But it definitely needs some swearing and-

*We see Peter reworking the whole script*

P.G.:,, Robots that fart. Robots that cry. Inconsistencies... Well that should be enough to piss of the fa- Oh wait! Giant robot with testicles.'' (Peter starts laughing as he always does)

Yesterday I read an interview where a guy asked stupid questions about this film to himself. Now I can't find it anymore. Can someone pass me the link? It was hillarious. Like the fact that Michael Bay hates math:whatever:I could see that Family Guy episode working really well. Heheheh!

[marvelman2006]

Did anybody else like bumblebee's moment when he took on ravage and the red robot defending sam and his parents? I really liked how sam said "kill him" and bumblebee went ape**** on both of them. one of the great moments.

[AnorexicBatman]

Here you go:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1

[Mr. Earle]

It may sound pretentious but would hit have been too much to ask for a little more sophistuicated dialog. Something like this:



Few simple lines and it adds a whole lot of character.
Though there is almost no point in discussing it...The only good lines of dialogue in my opinion were in these scenes:
1) sam and optimus
2) sam and bee over prime's death
3) some of jetfire's speech

The movie could have had much more...


On another note i havent commented on Torturro yet. I hated the guy in the first one but i loved him in this one. I even liked it when he took off his pants because he is weird and it suited him! He was great!

I voted for so-so btw.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Here you go:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1

I love me some topless robot, but they have been bashing the film since day one. The post they put up also has easy answers in it. It's like they acted stupid and asked themselves stupid questions.

[dark_b]

What i also liked was when Ratchet suggests they left the planet and Ironhide goes "thats not what Prime would have wanted". I dont know about you guys, but to me these two look like veterans, older than Bumblebee and i would have wanted to see more of them in that scene (and other scenes of course). But all we got were the kid autobots (bee included since he behaves like one very often) and not some mature emotional scene from the grown ups. I was starving for a few more seconds of Ironhide talking to Ratchet about what to do. They would have been the ones to take over anyway.

Btw, dont get me wrong. I love bumblebee and that wonderful scene where he comforts Sam.

And since i have this idea about Ironhide, you dont want to get me started on his "punkass decepticon" line. Seriously....it would be great . remember in the first movie when OP,ironhide,rachet and jazz talk at th ehouse? that was a great moment.

but again: the first movie made a lot of money. then the writter's strike came. plus Bay got 100% freedom.

[BlackLantern]

I liked it, the third act is a bit flimsy but I enjoyed the film

[BlackLantern]

and complain about Bay all you want but the 2 films combined have now grossed over 1 billiion dollars....there's commercial success and then there's ****loads of money and success...

[Nathan]

it would be great . remember in the first movie when OP,ironhide,rachet and jazz talk at th ehouse? that was a great moment.

I love to just hear the Autobots talk with each other, as long as they don't talk **** like the Twins. I also like the situational humor, like when Ratchet walks into the electric wires and says "Wow! That was tingly. You should try that." and Ironhides dry reply "Yeah, that looks fun." Or when Prime tells them to hide and Jazz is all like "What, where? Oh, damn... oh, no, man!"

Or my favorite line from the first Movie "The boy's pheromone levels suggests he wants to mate with the female." That line had the entire theater rolling."

I was missing that stuff and only Bumblebee provided a few moments similar to the first Movie.

[Colossal Spoons]

and complain about Bay all you want but the 2 films combined have now grossed over 1 billiion dollars....there's commercial success and then there's ****loads of money and success...

If there was a way to get your money back if you dislike a movie, Hollywood would be a totally different place. That's why you can't really judge a movie's entertainment value by ticket sales alone cuz you kinda have to pay to see it; whether you end up liking it or not.

[dark_b]

the DVD's will show if they wanted their money back. maybe it will have very poor numbers.

[Colossal Spoons]

That's a much better indication :up:

[BlackLantern]

Im not, by the studio heads look at numbers and that's about it....if I want deep and thoughtful entertainment, I'm not looking for that in a Michael Bay film

[Nathan]

That's why we need the Bay/Spielberg combination.

[Colossal Spoons]

This is the first Bay film I haven't enjoyed. Bad Boys 1 and 2? Loved 'em!

[AnorexicBatman]

"The boy's pheromone levels suggests he wants to mate with the female."

This line is pure win. A sohpihsticated sex joke.
Where as the TF2 version would be, "DAMN! The boy wants to do the horizontal boogie with his snookie"

[Mr. Earle]

I love to just hear the Autobots talk with each other, as long as they don't talk **** like the Twins. I also like the situational humor, like when Ratchet walks into the electric wires and says "Wow! That was tingly. You should try that." and Ironhides dry reply "Yeah, that looks fun." Or when Prime tells them to hide and Jazz is all like "What, where? Oh, damn... oh, no, man!"

Or my favorite line from the first Movie "The boy's pheromone levels suggests he wants to mate with the female." That line had the entire theater rolling."

I was missing that stuff and only Bumblebee provided a few moments similar to the first Movie.IMHO thats clever humor. Thats good humor. Ratchet was just unaware of human relations. He just stated the facts. Very good.

I think i liked the twins. The movie would have been a lot better if the trash talk and comedy was limited to them. Ironhide didnt need to say "punkass" decepticon for example. He is supposed to be serious and they are supposed to be comedy relief. Are simple things like that really that hard for Bay to grasp?

[dark_b]

That's why need the Bay/Spielberg combination.since the numbers are so high you think it will happen?
i hope Spielberg will see the reviews and join Bay in 3 years again.

[The Guard]

Guard I've been saying this for years, and I'm still saying it... You just defend movies just to see if you can, don't you. Just admit it, you could give a rat's tail about this movie, you just enjoy batting around people's criticisms to see if you can change their minds.

Nope.

I mean, I do enjoy doing that to a point, but that's not why I defend certain elements.

Care about this movie in comparison to what, exactly? What is me going "I don't like this" and kicking and screaming about a filmmaker putting his stamp on the material going to accomplish in the grand scheme of things?.

I feel that I'm pretty fair when I assess a movie, although I don't believe X amount of bad elements equals an entire failure of a movie if a film has a number of positive ones as well.

I mainly enjoy debate, and there are few people more fun and interesting to debate than hyperbolic, venom laced irrational fanboys.

Sure, some of the elements of the movie don't make a lot of sense. But a lot of them do, and people just don't have their heads screwed on tightly.

Notice, I'm not defending the crass, pointless humor, though I think that the second random dog humping shot was hilarious, simply because of it's placement in the film.

[Nathan]

I didn't mind that line from Ironhide. He's a soldier who went through tons of ****. I don't mind a little harsh language.

[BlackLantern]

when a movie makes this much money....the thinking is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"...I have an odd feeling there won't be another one

[dark_b]

I love to just hear the Autobots talk with each other, as long as they don't talk **** like the Twins. I also like the situational humor, like when Ratchet walks into the electric wires and says "Wow! That was tingly. You should try that." and Ironhides dry reply "Yeah, that looks fun." Or when Prime tells them to hide and Jazz is all like "What, where? Oh, damn... oh, no, man!"

Or my favorite line from the first Movie "The boy's pheromone levels suggests he wants to mate with the female." That line had the entire theater rolling."

I was missing that stuff and only Bumblebee provided a few moments similar to the first Movie.i remember a lot of people complained that the autobots in this scene looked and sounded to much like kids.
not saying that they dont in the sequel.

but lets say what if the writter thinks :
''in the first movie they didnt like that rachet,jazz and ironhide acted like this. so lets create two young autobots for this kind of humor.''

not saying that they did better, just trying to understand why it was written like that.

[The Guard]

I can't be sure, but I think that's the only bit of actual overt humor from Ironhide in the franchise. Most of his remotely humorous lines were "I'm such a warrior I'm going to kill this little dog and the boy's parents" stuff, which wasn't so much funny as it was revealing.

[The Guard]

Perhaps I'm unaware of exactly how this all fits together...but how can GM make Bay and the studio use Jolt? Maybe Jolt was one of the cars GM gave him options on, but why did it have to be Jolt?

...now. Ratchet should've been the one to put Jetfire and Prime together. Instead they used Jolt which was stupid seeing as how Ratchet is supposed to be the Autobot doctor. So, yah. I dislike him because GM made Bay have to use him, and also, with a scene that should've belong to Ratchet, instead Ratchet was just telling Jolt what to do.

Well, does Ratchet have electro-hover powers? I actually kind of liked seeing him "walk" Jolt through it, sort of a calm veteran presence in an intense moment.

What i also liked was when Ratchet suggests they left the planet and Ironhide goes "thats not what Prime would have wanted".

Great moment. I have loved these voice actors from the word go.

I love me some topless robot, but they have been bashing the film since day one. The post they put up also has easy answers in it. It's like they acted stupid and asked themselves stupid questions.

Agreed. I notice they don't ask questions like "Why do these uber powerful robots bother to maintain one form instead of many different ones?", and question everything about the basic concept.

He took his spark too quickly so there was no time to talk him out of it. But there was no emotion after that whatsoever.

To be fair, time was kinda of the essence. It's not a good moment for a "let's cradle Jetfire, who Prime has likely never met, and have a tender moment", you know?
I do think it was a nice moment for Jetfire, though, overall.

When Prime dropped the parts, I sort of saw it as an "I'm back, and I don't need these to kick ass" moment, because he didn't. He used them to save the world.

Would it have been nice to see some sort of "We honor Jetfire" moment? Absolutely.

I havent read the comics, but i found it over the top in the movie. SS didnt speak his mind. All he did was bow to Megatron. And if the comics do it this way too, then i am sorry but this is doing it wrong.

You found one giant robot beating another giant robot, after scene after scene of such happening, over the top in a movie about giant robot warriors who turn into things?

What is "wrong" with it, exactly?

Megatron keeps SS in his army because he uses his skills and brain (the same happened with Megatron and that pterodactyl in beast wars). He often punishes him when SS betrays him. Here Megatron was being sadistic and overly abusive for no reason except the first time when Megs was mad for being left for dead.

I'd say that's a pretty damn good reason, one he had to put aside until Starscream helped him take down Prime. Starscream abandoned him, and probably wouldn't have returned for him had the others not done so.

I would have been happier if in the rest of the scenes it was limited to verbal exchange and scornful remarks. The worst part was in the end where SS suggested they retreated. The way he did it made it look like he was on his knees kissing Megatron's feet.

He was.

That's Starscream. He's capable, but he's also a coward at heart. Which is why in the comics, people are constantly saying things like "Starscream, you coward!"

So anyway, would you care to give more details about their relationship in the comics?

I think Wikipedia nails it:

Due to his treachery and personality, he has had many future characters within the franchise to bear his name, some of which share his desire to become leader of the Decepticons. Starscream has, at some points, had control over the Decepticons, but his actions usually lead him to being defeated, or overruled by the more powerful Megatron. Starscream makes no secret of his ambition to overthrow Megatron as leader of the Decepticons. He is more intelligent than the average Decepticon, ruthless, and cruel, but he is also unlikely to directly act on his ultimate ambition without assurance of conditions favorable to his ascension. He considers himself vastly superior to other Decepticons, and looks down on Megatron for being antiquated in his military strategy and tactics. Starscream believes that the Decepticons should rely more on guile and speed rather than brute destructive force to defeat the Autobots, although when he is given the chance to strike out on his own, he is often less successful than Megatron. Megatron frequently overlooks the potential threat that Starscream represents, though it is occasionally suggested Megatron tolerates his presence for various reasons, such as a grudging respect for his scheming nature or a mere safety precaution to keep an eye on him. However, Starscream often exhausts Megatron's patience quickly; violent-yet-brief verbal and/or physical conflicts are not uncommon between the two.

That's about as deep as it usually gets. Starscream wants to be in command, Megatron treats him with scorn, occassionally recognizing Starscream as a capable potential threat to his command. Megatron beats on Starscream, who bides his time. I'm guessing in the third film there will be something major between them when Starscream has someone (Shockwave, most likely) to ally with against his commander. I suspect they're saving his major "treachery" for the third movie.

Megatron helped a lot, but was damaged and thrown out of the battle. When he stood up the Fallen was already dead, so there was no point in fighting Prime as SS suggested.

I don't remember.

But again...we saw Megatron be pretty capable, even if he had to be deceptive and dishonorable. If he was knocked out in the final battle, that says more about the capabilities of the autobots and the army (which is sort of the point, isn't it?) than it does about Megatron himself.

Megatron was too loyal for his own good. Even if he shared the Fallen's goal, he should have been lusting for his place and his power. And i hated the forced "apprentice" remarks. They werent needed and they were really throwing us back to Star Wars.

Megatron's too a lot of things for his own good. Clearly he wasn't that loyal, though, in the end. It's always kind of been that way. I think that's a very direct and intentional homage to Star Wars.

[Mr. Earle]

since the numbers are so high you think it will happen?
i hope Spielberg will see the reviews and join Bay in 3 years again.How is ROTF doing in the box office anyway? Give me a comparison to another superhero film so that i can understand the sums if you can.

My point is that if it does better than the first, then Bay will consider it a success and he wont accept anybody over him. Its a pride thing anyway. Only if he ****s up will he break under the studios' pressure.

[Mr. Earle]

I didn't mind that line from Ironhide. He's a soldier who went through tons of ****. I don't mind a little harsh language.I was bothered mostly because of the slang. Isnt that what kids say these days?When Prime dropped the parts, I sort of saw it as an "I'm back, and I don't need these to kick ass" moment, because he didn't. He used them to save the world.It seemed to me like he was better with those parts so it made no sense. They could have just taken them off because they were rotting anyway or something. Or, the best version in my mind would be if Jetfire climbed on Optimus and they merged, both their sparks and their bodies just like the constructicons did. The toy works that way anyway. After the battle Jetfire is dying, so they split and Jetfire has a few seconds of life. He says a few words like "it was an honour" and Prime and the others thank him. So you get both a goodbye scene for him and a convenient way to take those parts off. Ratchet and Jolt can help the merging since Jetfire and Prime were NOT designed to combine.
You found one giant robot beating another giant robot, after scene after scene of such happening, over the top in a movie about giant robot warriors who turn into things?

What is "wrong" with it, exactly?I found wrong how Bay beat us over the head with it. Yeah Bay we got how Megatron is beating SS.
I'd say that's a pretty damn good reason, one he had to put aside until Starscream helped him take down Prime. Starscream abandoned him, and probably wouldn't have returned for him had the others not done so.Read my post again. Thats exactly what i said. It was the only time he was justified. On the skyscraper he could have just scorned him. And i didnt like how scared SS was. He is supposed to be in Megatron's face, constantly challenging his decisions until Megatron gets mad and beats him. Here, he was afraid to even speak because megatron was gonna beat him anyways.
Megatron frequently overlooks the potential threat that Starscream represents, though it is occasionally suggested Megatron tolerates his presence for various reasons, such as a grudging respect for his scheming nature or a mere safety precaution to keep an eye on him. However, Starscream often exhausts Megatron's patience quickly; violent-yet-brief verbal and/or physical conflicts are not uncommon between the two.Nice article, but look at this abstract. It says that Megatron tolerates him for various reasons up until he gets annoyed. And its spot on. So he doesnt use him as a punching bag for no reason as the movie showed. The only thing that SS did wrong was leave Megs to die. He didnt challenge, confront or speak against him. He couldnt breath when he was near him. So to sum up:
1) Starscream way too scared to even challenge or annoy Megatron
2) Megatron had no real reason (other than being left to die), so he beat him for the rest of the movie anyway to please the fans.

[dark_b]

How is ROTF doing in the box office anyway? Give me a comparison to another superhero film so that i can understand the sums if you can.

My point is that if it does better than the first, then Bay will consider it a success and he wont accept anybody over him. Its a pride thing anyway. Only if he ****s up will he break under the studios' pressure.dude ROTF is doing fantastic

plus its like the worst reviewed BO hit. :wow:

[BlackLantern]

How is ROTF doing in the box office anyway? Give me a comparison to another superhero film so that i can understand the sums if you can.

My point is that if it does better than the first, then Bay will consider it a success and he wont accept anybody over him. Its a pride thing anyway. Only if he ****s up will he break under the studios' pressure.

$201 million its first five days

[LostSon88]

Which again shows that critics really are out of touch with today's generation of moviegoers...

[BlackLantern]

Which again shows that critics really are out of touch with today's generation of moviegoers...

I don't agree with that....i think its because Tranformers is such a specific genre movie that most critics don't know how to respond to it....how many other movies these days have giant robots punching each other and blowing things up?? some of them are just self important *******s who don't like to associate with the common folk

[Mr. Earle]

$201 million its first five daysi suppose thats good. But since i am not so accustomed to box office numbers, could someone compare it to the dark knight, or pirates, or spiderman, etc?
Is it supposed to be "good", "very good", "awesome" box office?

[Godman]

If there was a way to get your money back if you dislike a movie, Hollywood would be a totally different place. That's why you can't really judge a movie's entertainment value by ticket sales alone cuz you kinda have to pay to see it; whether you end up liking it or not.

so ****ing true dude. u nailed it right. All these morons who use financial profit as a means to judge the value of something are the ones who keep making these uncreative or innovative hollywood producers believe in a mediocre product.

Transformers was clustered and had very foolish humor at times. Why would Optimus Prime need to tell Tyrese to cool it? Why were mud Flap and Skids given no reason to exist with no back story or nothing. Transformers could be a very deep movie if they wanted like The Dark Knight, but they chose to make industry standard kaboom **** with immature humor. Last I recalled in the 80s they used to make movie for kids but smart enough for adults. Robocop, Rambo, Indiana Jones, Goonies, Gremlins, ET etc all had super depth. Even the transformers cartoons were deeper and had more depth. This movie was real good with the ancient mayan and egyptian them which is very ill to me, but that got lost in the humor and excessive human screen time. It's not called SAM and the transformers. It's called Transformers. Wasn't Optimus Prime the STAR and lead character?

It's like making april o'neal be the key savior in a Turtles movie which is STUPID!!!!! she is a side character with minimal screen time. That's why the last turtles movie was weak. April fighting???? It's about the TURTLES just like this was about the TRANSFORMERS!!!!! more decepticon vs us army than decepticons vs the autobots was happening. Human battle last for a quarter of the movie and Optimus return battle lasts less than 3 minutes against the most powerful decepticons???

[chaseter]

i suppose thats good. But since i am not so accustomed to box office numbers, could someone compare it to the dark knight, or pirates, or spiderman, etc?
Is it supposed to be "good", "very good", "awesome" box office?
Second biggest opening of all time and will probably be the 3rd, 4th, or 5th biggest world wide earner of all time. Titanic and TDK are first and second.

[BlackLantern]

for 5 days, that is a phenomenal draw and considering the movie probably cost that much or more to produce anything made from this week forward is considered profit...I went to a noon showing this afternoon and the theater was about half full....and thats on a Monday

[SsM]

so ****ing true dude. u nailed it right. All these morons who use financial profit as a means to judge the value of something are the ones who keep making these uncreative or innovative hollywood producers believe in a mediocre product.

Transformers was clustered and had very foolish humor at times. Why would Optimus Prime need to tell Tyrese to cool it? Why were mud Flap and Skids given no reason to exist with no back story or nothing. Transformers could be a very deep movie if they wanted like The Dark Knight, but they chose to make industry standard kaboom **** with immature humor. Last I recalled in the 80s they used to make movie for kids but smart enough for adults. Robocop, Rambo, Indiana Jones, Goonies, Gremlins, ET etc all had super depth. Even the transformers cartoons were deeper and had more depth. This movie was real good with the ancient mayan and egyptian them which is very ill to me, but that got lost in the humor and excessive human screen time. It's not called SAM and the transformers. It's called Transformers. Wasn't Optimus Prime the STAR and lead character?

It's like making april o'neal be the key savior in a Turtles movie which is STUPID!!!!! she is a side character with minimal screen time. That's why the last turtles movie was weak. April fighting???? It's about the TURTLES just like this was about the TRANSFORMERS!!!!! more decepticon vs us army than decepticons vs the autobots was happening. Human battle last for a quarter of the movie and Optimus return battle lasts less than 3 minutes against the most powerful decepticons???


I was taking you seriously up until that point, your argument lost all credibility there.

[chaseter]

so ****ing true dude. u nailed it right. All these morons who use financial profit as a means to judge the value of something are the ones who keep making these uncreative or innovative hollywood producers believe in a mediocre product.

Transformers was clustered and had very foolish humor at times. Why would Optimus Prime need to tell Tyrese to cool it? Why were mud Flap and Skids given no reason to exist with no back story or nothing. Transformers could be a very deep movie if they wanted like The Dark Knight, but they chose to make industry standard kaboom **** with immature humor. Last I recalled in the 80s they used to make movie for kids but smart enough for adults. Robocop, Rambo, Indiana Jones, Goonies, Gremlins, ET etc all had super depth. Even the transformers cartoons were deeper and had more depth. This movie was real good with the ancient mayan and egyptian them which is very ill to me, but that got lost in the humor and excessive human screen time. It's not called SAM and the transformers. It's called Transformers. Wasn't Optimus Prime the STAR and lead character?

It's like making april o'neal be the key savior in a Turtles movie which is STUPID!!!!! she is a side character with minimal screen time. That's why the last turtles movie was weak. April fighting???? It's about the TURTLES just like this was about the TRANSFORMERS!!!!! more decepticon vs us army than decepticons vs the autobots was happening. Human battle last for a quarter of the movie and Optimus return battle lasts less than 3 minutes against the most powerful decepticons???
I agree with most of this but if every movie was like TDK, I would quit going to the movies. Not every movie should be like TDK or compared to TDK. TDK isn't the best movie of all time nor the last decade.

This movie is about Sam though. He is the lead character. That would be like calling TDK, "Batman and Company, and Joker."

[BlackLantern]

at its base...this is a toy line...cartoons and comics were spawned of it, but it is still a toy line consisting of giant robots that turn into vehicles

[Mr. Earle]

at its base...this is a toy line...cartoons and comics were spawned of it, but it is still a toy line consisting of giant robots that turn into vehiclesThats a lame arguement. Pirates were based on a train ride in Disneyland and it was a great movie. A masterpiece if you compare it to this ****.
Give a break, the base can be anything. Its what you do with it that counts. Second biggest opening of all time and will probably be the 3rd, 4th, or 5th biggest world wide earner of all time. Titanic and TDK are first and second.
That good huh? Really? Btw, which movie made the best opening of all time?

[BlackLantern]

best opening is still 'Spider-Man' I think, but overall BO take is 'Titanic'

[Mr. Earle]

I agree with most of this but if every movie was like TDK, I would quit going to the movies. Not every movie should be like TDK or compared to TDK. TDK isn't the best movie of all time nor the last decade.

This movie is about Sam though. He is the lead character. That would be like calling TDK, "Batman and Company, and Joker."Its not because TDK isnt the best movie of all time. Its because it would get boring if every movie was like the best movie of all time, whichever it was.

Ironman wasnt like TDK but it was still ****ing brilliant. TF scored on the difficult areas, like action and CGI and lost badly on somethings that are less costly, like story and characters. Is a decent...decent not oscar worthy mind you... plot and character development so hard to achieve?

[dark_b]

i suppose thats good. But since i am not so accustomed to box office numbers, could someone compare it to the dark knight, or pirates, or spiderman, etc?
Is it supposed to be "good", "very good", "awesome" box office?well it almost broke some TDK record. :wow:

[Godman]

I agree with most of this but if every movie was like TDK, I would quit going to the movies. Not every movie should be like TDK or compared to TDK. TDK isn't the best movie of all time nor the last decade.

This movie is about Sam though. He is the lead character. That would be like calling TDK, "Batman and Company, and Joker."

My point being was that OPTIMUS PRIME was the lead character in the show and toy line so why is Sam being made the center point? I actually hoped he were to die and stay dead in the movie. How glorious that would have been, but that's just cause i got tired of him always being on camera. I hate this direction they took personally. Of course it is a money maker choice, but besides that I can't stand the lack of innovation in the human boy savior idea. Optimus came and asked him for help???? WTF???? I prefer Spike in the cartoon. Anyway what I was saying about The Dark Knight was that it was taken seriously enough to wear kids weren't the thought when it was being made. From the humor to the depth. Dialogue was mastered and script was written for those who think. Transformers had too many holes and felt like they came up with action scenes and wrote a plot around them.

Not everymovie should be taken like The Dark Knight or made like that, but should have the same target audience and depth. Even ET had more depth and was smartly written. All the indiana Jones movie to star wars were and are VERY deep movies and well written for ALL audiences not just teenage humor. Like if u are over 20 half that **** would just come off as uncomfortable humor at how blatantly childish they wrote and though of it. It was a fun and entertaining movie, but so was dark knight. Just smarter. Transformers has a premise to be very smart and at times it is, but only at times.

[BlackLantern]

Thats a lame arguement. Pirates were based on a train ride in Disneyland and it was a great movie. A masterpiece if you compare it to this ****.
Give a break, the base can be anything. Its what you do with it that counts.


...but there is nothing stating that Dreamworks has to use anything from the cartoons or comics...Hasbro (who owns Transformers) ok'd the story for both films...I was actually surprised they even used the concepts of The Matrix of Leadership and Energon

[Erzengel]

Pirates a great movie? :huh:

[CelticPredator]

Hell yeah it is! Hot chicks, boobs, sex, witty sexy one liners...Pirates rocks!

[SsM]

There's only one "hot" chick in the movie.

[Erzengel]

Hell yeah it is! Hot chicks, boobs, sex, witty sexy one liners...Pirates rocks!
Yeah, I'm wondering how Keira Knightley is able to stand upright with the guns she sports. :huh:

[BlackLantern]

not every movie needs to be a stirring, reinventing the wheel type effort....some people have Transforrmers up on a pedastal...Ive gone back and watched some of the original cartoons, they haven't aged well

[SsM]

I liked Armada. The first half a dozen episodes were bad but it gradually got better and better.

[Godman]

Its not because TDK isnt the best movie of all time. Its because it would get boring if every movie was like the best movie of all time, whichever it was.

Ironman wasnt like TDK but it was still ****ing brilliant. TF scored on the difficult areas, like action and CGI and lost badly on somethings that are less costly, like story and characters. Is a decent...decent not oscar worthy mind you... plot and character development so hard to achieve?

Ironman lost steam in the last quarter. Good movie, but far from brilliant due to stereotype Arabs which was STUPID. Arabs don't have no "rule the world" ideas. They are out to prove their point of freedom from the major conglomerate religion and governments. In this Iraq war they are not the bad guys, it's America who invaded them with no probable cause. Ironman could have gone more in depth but ended up being the typical greedy bad guy plot. I didn't feel a threat in ironman. The Joker is one of the most diabolic characters to date in movie history. He just wanted anarchy and that is one hell of a ****ing threat. A villain with no set goal but to bring the worst out of humanity. Yikes. Villains out for money are redundant and out to rule the world are redundant. We need better well fleshed out villain plots now. out to rule the world isn't bad, but WHY? Watchmen had one of the greatest villain yet non villainous plots written. Pure genius. Star Wars has more depth in the villains. All indiana Jones villains had good plots. So why are we in 2009 and still have redundant ****!!!!!!?????

They had the technology to absorb "SUNS"?????!!!! but no technological superiority that would enable then to wipe out the puny fleshly beings and kill Sam, the us army, and them in a matter of seconds????!!!! stupid plot.

[Godman]

...but there is nothing stating that Dreamworks has to use anything from the cartoons or comics...Hasbro (who owns Transformers) ok'd the story for both films...I was actually surprised they even used the concepts of The Matrix of Leadership and Energon

yea just to end up being wishy washy with it and **** it all up by clustering the movie with other overly unnecessary junk. The movie was long for no reason. I was done with the story after optimus died. All i wanted to see was his revival and I didn't care about the threat or anything else. I didn't care if Sam came back or not. See the first movie he just happened to be the right place at the right time or wrong place at the wrong time and it worked. I had hoped the next movie would go more in depth with the Transformers in general, but no. It tries to make it more sophisticated by adding the ancient scribes concept. Thatwas all nice and cool, but the excessive human interaction and screen time took away from the aw inspiring theology being the ideas that inspired the movie.

[roach]

you know Im pretty sure Sparkplug was more than a bit player in the cartoon

[BlackLantern]

I will agree that it was about 20 minutes longer than it really needed to be

[Godman]

not every movie needs to be a stirring, reinventing the wheel type effort....some people have Transforrmers up on a pedastal...Ive gone back and watched some of the original cartoons, they haven't aged well

because it was american saturday morning animation. seems japan got the right formula to do pure anime that still looks good today. I watched robotech and it's still good enough for american animation today. Transformers wasn't pure anime. If u watch the silver hawks and thundercats intro animations they are fantastic even today. but the show it's self was only key drawn here and then shipped of to fill in animation in japan. Avatar is the best animated saturday morning type cartoon amerca has ever had in my opinion. That's if it is actually animated here.

[SsM]

Sparkplug was in the movie?!

[Godman]

I will agree that it was about 20 minutes longer than it really needed to be

20 minutes of human screentime that was irrelevant. All transformers bits were great in the movie besides the final battle against the humans and optimus's weak finale.

[BlackLantern]

because it was american saturday morning animation. seems japan got the right formula to do pure anime that still looks good today. I watched robotech and it's still good enough for american animation today. Transformers wasn't pure anime. If u watch the silver hawks and thundercats intro animations they are fantastic even today. but the show it's self was only key drawn here and then shipped of to fill in animation in japan. Avatar is the best animated saturday morning type cartoon amerca has ever had in my opinion. That's if it is actually animated here.

my OnDemand has ThunderCats and IMO hasn't aged well either...you can see color floating outside of outlines and all that

[Godman]

not every movie needs to be a stirring, reinventing the wheel type effort....some people have Transforrmers up on a pedastal...Ive gone back and watched some of the original cartoons, they haven't aged well

that's where i disagree. I feel every movie that is almost three hours long needs to be some stirring, reinventing, innovative **** or shouldn't be made.

Why are these directors paid so much to make mediocre ********???? It better be some hell of an experience. Even Cloverfield tried something new and different which was enthralling to see if u have any art direction whatsoever.

Like why so many folks think we will NEVER get another Michael Jackson, which so far has held too true, is because nobody is inventive anymore and play a SAFE zone game. They don't pull out all the shots. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and Shaq did some **** that puts them in their own category and has them remembered for decades to come. Transformers will be one of them, "did u ever watch that old transformers movie????" compared to Bruce lee's enter the dragon or The Matrix where if someone hasn't watched those most folks are like "are u ****ing serious????"

[Godman]

my OnDemand has ThunderCats and IMO hasn't aged well either...you can see color floating outside of outlines and all that

exactly, but the INTRO videos are great even now

[BlackLantern]

that's where i disagree. I feel every movie that is almost three hours long needs to be some stirring, reinventing, innovative **** or shouldn't be made.
sometimes you get that and sometimes you get The Godfather III

Why are these directors paid so much to make mediocre ********???? It better be some hell of an experience. Even Cloverfield tried something new and different which was enthralling to see if u have any art direction whatsoever.

well when the mediocre **** makes 725 mil like the first film did, it tends to shape studios opinions as to what works....I loved Cloverfield as well

[Mr. Earle]

Pirates a great movie? :huh:Yes it was. The humor, settings, plot, actors, action were all great. Yeah, I'm wondering how Keira Knightley is able to stand upright with the guns she sports. :huh:Yes indeed she has no boobs. Such a hot face and accent though!

As for the general conversation, i think that its good that Bay keeps the humans in the game and especially Sam. The army is faceless and even if we know Lennox, we dont really care for him as much as Sam. Human screen time costs less and it also lifts some of the pressure that the CGI robots create. My eyes were tired of the explosions and the sun flare on the robots after a while. And i was really depressed by that lunar base of the Fallen's. Goddamn!

In my view, the franchise should always include some humans. This time they imprinted some valuable info into Sam's brain to get him in the game, i am curious as to what will be their trick in the sequel.

[Mr. Earle]

What i mean is that i dont mind a human subplot, even one that is used as comedy relief. And if anything, Sam's arc in ROTF was good. He refused to help Prime, then felt sorry for it, then fate called him, etc. I liked it.

Sam, Mikaela and Simmons should stay even if the sequels take us to Cybertron. I cant believe it, but damn i loved wacky Simmons. Right when he is trying to convince the commander of a carrier to help him he says something like "i am under the enemy's scrotum". It was hilarious because it was so out of the blue but oh so natural for him!

[chaseter]

Its not because TDK isnt the best movie of all time. Its because it would get boring if every movie was like the best movie of all time, whichever it was.

Ironman wasnt like TDK but it was still ****ing brilliant. TF scored on the difficult areas, like action and CGI and lost badly on somethings that are less costly, like story and characters. Is a decent...decent not oscar worthy mind you... plot and character development so hard to achieve?
Comparing every movie to TDK makes it seem like TDK is the best movie ever, which it isn't. After Jurassic Park, I didn't compare every movie to that:huh:

Iron Man was great but I guarantee you someone said that they wished it were more like TDK. It is annoying hearing people say, TDK this...TDK that. TDK was a superhero crime drama. Transformers is a sci-fi robot action movie. The two should not be compared period.

[chaseter]

Pirates a great movie? :huh:
Pirates 1 was a great movie. Pirates 2 was ok and Pirates 3 was pretty bleh.

[Godman]

What i mean is that i dont mind a human subplot, even one that is used as comedy relief. And if anything, Sam's arc in ROTF was good. He refused to help Prime, then felt sorry for it, then fate called him, etc. I liked it.

Sam, Mikaela and Simmons should stay even if the sequels take us to Cybertron. I cant believe it, but damn i loved wacky Simmons. Right when he is trying to convince the commander of a carrier to help him he says something like "i am under the enemy's scrotum". It was hilarious because it was so out of the blue but oh so natural for him!

seriously???? dude SAM wasn't the subplot. The Transformers were the subplot and Sam was the main character. Stupid ****!!!!

[Godman]

Comparing every movie to TDK makes it seem like TDK is the best movie ever, which it isn't. After Jurassic Park, I didn't compare every movie to that:huh:

Iron Man was great but I guarantee you someone said that they wished it were more like TDK. It is annoying hearing people say, TDK this...TDK that. TDK was a superhero crime drama. Transformers is a sci-fi robot action movie. The two should not be compared period.

yes they can be compared on a technical level which is what people are saying, or at least i am. Cinematography, to dialogue, to plots and subplots, to character development etc... everything in Batman was positioned well and appropriate towards the point of the main goal the director intended with the story telling. Transformers has MAJOR scenes i can cut out and u would get a better movie. Transformers dialogue was too immature even compared to the first one. The transformers all acted stupid besides Optimus. Bumble Bee crying???? what the **** would they need tears for??? and he has tear ducts???? stupid ass ****!!!!

[roach]

yes they can be compared on a technical level which is what people are saying, or at least i am. Cinematography, to dialogue, to plots and subplots, to character development etc... everything in Batman was positioned well and appropriate towards the point of the main goal the director intended with the story telling. Transformers has MAJOR scenes i can cut out and u would get a better movie. Transformers dialogue was too immature even compared to the first one. The transformers all acted stupid besides Optimus. Bumble Bee crying???? what the **** would they need tears for??? and he has tear ducts???? stupid ass ****!!!!

TDK iz teh awesomest:whatever:
seems like your only gripe with TF2 was that it wasnt TDK

[Mr. Earle]

Pirates 1 was a great movie. Pirates 2 was ok and Pirates 3 was pretty bleh.I agree.

Back to TF:
I give some credit to Bay for some of his scenes that had great photography.
1) The fallen and the stunts he pulled on top of the pyramid
2) shanghai
3) the shot of mikaela's face over sam's body with the chopper flying over her
4) finale on the plane carrier
5) Every shot of Devastator
etc...

The thing is that i have never seen action and photography as amazing as that and Favreau or Nolan (to name the best ones in the geek movies) havent produced a spectacle so amazing. And i mean just the sheer size, colour, and **** blowing up that bay brought.

So i want Spielberg alone or Spielberg with Bay to do the third. I want them to take their time. Marvel has a ****ton of movies to keep us entertained till then (not that they care for us but their pockets... lol). Have the sequel start right after the end of this film with a Prime speech which recaps and fixes some plot holes. Like what the hell is up with the primes and prime himself and all that? If it were comics i would ask for a major retcon on all that stuff, or the easy way the fallen was beaten through punches (only a prime can defeat him my ass).

Then the story should go to cybertron. The autobots sneak there to free some of their comrades. But the story should then focus on earth (because it would be sterile on cybertron. Its an ugly ass planet anyway). Sam, Mikaela and Simmons return of course.

They can also introduce the dinobots in a clever way: Their robot forms dont resemble the human body but that of dinosaurs. So Sam names them dinobots. So you have a robot that looks like a T-Rex that turns into a truck. How's that? Because i cant find a reason for a robot to turn into a mechanical dinosaur to disguise itself or for any other practical reason.

I got carried away...

[Mr. Earle]

what the **** would they need tears for??? and he has tear ducts???? stupid ass ****!!!!I think he used his windscreen washers...

[roach]

i think they had the perfect oportunity to have the Dinobots be apart of the battle with the Fallen back when the Transformers first get here

[Dark Knight]

I personally hope lame Bay stays away from the next film....and Spielberg takes over the directors chair.

A Tranformers film directed by Steven Spielberg would equal a TRUE epic and not some lame unbalanced popcorn film that is aimed at making 10-20 years olds happy.

[The Guard]

It seemed to me like he was better with those parts so it made no sense.

The entire point is that he wants to be himself. That he was back.

I found wrong how Bay beat us over the head with it. Yeah Bay we got how Megatron is beating SS.

How does one avoid beating you over the head with such an unsubtle plot point as a literal beating? If you'd read the comics, while you still might not like it, you would understand why fans were thrilled to see this happen in the movie.

Read my post again. Thats exactly what i said. It was the only time he was justified. On the skyscraper he could have just scorned him. And i didnt like how scared SS was. He is supposed to be in Megatron's face, constantly challenging his decisions until Megatron gets mad and beats him. Here, he was afraid to even speak because megatron was gonna beat him anyways.

He's beating him precisely because Starscream left him to die. Because Starscream is a ****up who Megatron feels deserves to be punished. Megatron was biding his time throughout the movie, pretending to ignore Starscream's offense, using Starscream to his own ends, until he no longer needed to.

You don't like how afraid Starscream was? Then I guess you don't like Starscream. Because once again, Starscream is at heart, a coward. Megatron is one of the cruelest, most powerful Transformers ever. Why wouldn't Starscream be scared of him then, since he is A, a coward, and B, at Megatron's mercy?

Nice article, but look at this abstract. It says that Megatron tolerates him for various reasons up until he gets annoyed. And its spot on. So he doesnt use him as a punching bag for no reason as the movie showed. The only thing that SS did wrong was leave Megs to die. He didnt challenge, confront or speak against him. He couldnt breath when he was near him. So to sum up

Do you not understand why that would piss Megatron off?

Transformers was clustered and had very foolish humor at times. Why would Optimus Prime need to tell Tyrese to cool it?

Because he recognized Epps was about to lose his temper. I loved that. Subtle little "I do care what the humans do, and I understand the politics here" moment. And then Prime takes care of business for his fellow soldiers by confronting what's his face.

My point being was that OPTIMUS PRIME was the lead character in the show and toy line so why is Sam being made the center point?

Because giant transforming robots are expensive as hell to render. This movie cost $200 million, thanks to Bay's connections. A movie with robots at the forefront, all the time, would likely double that and take twice as long to release. In a perfect world, that wouldn't be an issue, but it is in this one.

[Sarge 2.0]

I finally managed to get past my blinding rage and crushing despair and was able to write a full review. Enjoy.

Oh, this movie is bad. It is one of the most aggressively unpleasant and disastrously awful movies I have seen in a very, very long time. It’s taken me a while to get a proper review down simply because my mind has been boggling over this movie. It is an unmitigated catastrophe; I don’t think I can even call it a movie, to be honest. It is a product that thrashes, writhes, and spasms on screen with great sound and fury. They should show this to film students as an example of how not to make a movie. It is, as Jim Emerson so eloquently stated, anti-movie. Now I know what you’re thinking, “Hey, it was filmed and it had actors and stuff happened on screen, it’s a movie!” unfortunately “Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen” does not do anything that a movie – especially a summer blockbuster- is supposed to do. Simply put: it does not entertain, it does not engage the audiences’ imagination, it does not thrill, it has no legitimate or substantive narrative, etc. etc. It is not a movie. It is a product that the audience can simply watch, unengaged, as the pretty special effects and big ol’ Michael Baysplosions litter the screen. The characters? Idiots. There is not a single competent, likable, or respectable character in this movie. Not one. They are paper-thin crayon drawings whose sole purpose in the film is to watch as computer animated robots duke it out with no particular sense of consequence, importance, or dread.
For example, the films main baddie is known as the Fallen (Tony Todd), he’s an ancient Cybertronian conqueror who falls from the grace of his brothers, the Primes, when he decides that he wants to eradicate the human race for no particular reason. Apparently John Milton was actually talking about big ass alien robots and not angels and demons. At least that’s what I assume, since the Transformers apparently have their own vaguely implied theological system. I’ll get to that later; as I was saying, the Fallen decides to make his presence known to every country on the planet. He announces that he’s come to Earth and the planet will be in for it unless the human race surrenders Sam Witwicky (Shia LaBeouf). Now, this reminded me of a similar scene from last year’s “The Dark Knight”. In the scene the Joker addresses Gotham city, saying that unless they kill some nebbish Waynecorp accountant, he’ll start blowing up hospitals. Understandably everyone in Gotham freaks the **** out and tries to hunt down this businessman. What does the population of the world do when confronted by the presence of an unspeakable alien menace? They basically go about their business and don’t even bother to hunt for Sam. In the next scene there are actually people standing around in a deli with Sam in full view, and none of them are even the slightest bit concerned about the days events. Such is the narrative structure of this film. Significant events are not fleshed out completely, they are established and then right as the film begins to run with them it moves on to something completely different! Eventually this is enough to fry ones brain, and I gave up trying to rationalize anything that was happening on screen.
Michael Bay displays his massive ego and utter incompetence in many other ways as well. Since this film is essentially a two and a half hour Michael Bay ego trip, I guess he figured that he didn’t have to bother making a proper movie. Want an example of why Michael Bay is an incompetent visual director? Look no further than the scene in the beginning of the film where Sam says goodbye to his improbably hot girlfriend Mikaela before going of to college. As they speak the camera circles around the back of one actors head, then the other, then back again, and repeats this cycle until it swirls all the way around both actors. Why did Michael Bay do this? What purpose does it serve other than to show off and make the audience dizzy? The only explanation I can think of is that Michael Bay and his DP decided that they would show off all the cool stuff they could do with the camera and make the entire audience incredibly conscious of the fact that there’s a cinematographer at work. The fact that they chose to do this during an ostensibly tender moment makes it even more bewildering. No doubt Bay’s rabid supporters will eat up this silly and disorienting technique and cite it as an example of Bay’s incredible visual prowess, but they’re the kind of people who are impressed with shiny things regardless of any actual quality or substance. Here’s another weird shot for you: during the big ol’ final battle in Egypt, Sam and Mikaela are hiding out in some dilapidated building (I assume an abandoned home). Sam looks through a hole in the wall to monitor the action going on outside, so we zoom through the hole to witness the action as well. Therefore, everything we see should be what Sam’s witnessing, since that was the purpose of the set up and the shot, right? As Lex Luthor would say, “WRONG!” We somehow end up on the other side of the building when we’re supposed to be done watching the action because the camera zooms back in through a keyhole that is directly behind Sam. Why do something like that? I guess because Michael Bay thought it would be super cool to have the camera zoom through a CG keyhole. Whee. Oh, did I forget to mention the cavemen? In the very beginning of the film, we learn that the transformer aliens first visited earth in prehistoric times. The Fallen and his brothers the Primes came to earth, and we see caveman stare in awe at their presence. Then we get some confusing – but unintentionally hilarious – slow motion shots of the cavemen, and we even get to see a closeup of one neanderthal’s pearly whites. That’s right, even in prehistoric times people had brilliantly white teeth. Do you have a headache yet? I did, and it was only about thirty seconds in at that point.
Let’s move on, shall we? Now I’ll address the most unpleasant and deplorable aspect of the film: it’s stabs at so called “humor”. Michael Bay proves that he has the sense of humor of a 12 year old boy when we first see Sam’s two dog’s humping each other. He proves that he has the sense of humor of 7 year old when he cuts back to the two dogs humping again for no reason whatsoever during a sequence that had absolutely nothing to do with them. He just thinks that two dogs humping is funny. Ha ha. Then there’s Skids and Mudflap (Tom Kenny and Reno Wilson, respectively). A lot has been said about these two already, so I’m not going in to very much detail about it. Although I will say this: it’s 2009 and Michael Bay still thinks minstrelsy is funny. A robo-minstrel show is fun for the whole family! Also, the robots use words like “pussy” and “dumbass” and “*****”.
There’s lots of profanity and decidedly un-kid friendly material here. Michael Bay’s treatment of women in the film is no less deplorable. When Sam arrives at college, every single girl on campus looks like a Maxim super-****. They all act like whores as well, especially during the icky scene where Rainn Wilson cameos as a sleazy college professor who hits on his female students with not-so-subtle innuendos. How do the Maxim super-****s respond? By licking their lips seductively, of course! Because in Michael Bay-land, all women are sleazy sex objects who exist solely to be eye candy for the men while they go off and do manly things. Predictably, Megan Fox’s boobs and ass are front and center for most of the film. I think it’s also worth noting that Michael Bay’s notorious love for shoot ‘em up warmongering has not diminished. Quite the opposite in fact; large portions of the film are essentially a glorified Army recruitment commercial. Bay also shameless rips off Terminator 2, the Matrix, and there are subtle undertones of freaky Cronenbergian body horror when Megatron (Hugo Weaving) tortures Sam by letting a creepy crawly Decepticon go through his nose and enter the soft tissue of his brain. More fun for the whole family! Oh, and I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that the creepy little Decepticon Wheelie humps Megan Fox’s leg, and she doesn’t mind at all! John Tuturro reprises his role from the first film, and when his character is paired with Sam’s roommate Leo (Ramon Rodriguez) the two make up the most annoying duo in the history of motion pictures. Not only do we get to see John Tuturro’s ass, good ol’ Leo gets tazed in the testicles. And he cries, and whines, and shouts, and generally makes you wish he would get squashed by one of the robots at any moment. Speaking of testicles Devestator has giant, 2,000 pound robo-balls. Don’t ask me why. Oh, and Jetfire is so old that he has a beard and a cane. Don’t ask me how that’s possible, or why when his parachute ejects it makes a fart noise.

Is there any saving grace to this movie at all? Almost. Optimus Prime provides fleeting moments of what might be described as joy. Too bad he’s dead for two thirds of the ****ing movie. But he provides the one enjoyable moment in the movie (not scene, there is not a single good scene in the film) when he beats the **** out of Starscream while fighting him along with Megatron and some unidentified Decepticon apparently called Grindor. The movie doesn’t bother clarifying on a lot of things like the names of places and transformers. Just because you can look it up on Wikipedia doesn’t mean it was explained in the film, by the by. But yes, the only moment that made me smile even a little was that single fleeting one where Optimus got to be Optimus, kicking Decepticon ass and taking names. Yes, this movie is atrocious; it is an absolute, unquestionable failure devoid of structure or value. Did I mention that the acting is terrible? The acting is terrible. Especially from Megan Fox, who apparently was never taught how to make facial expressions besides “vacant stare” or “seductive look”. This movie is making and will make a **** ton of money because it’s easy and cheap and vulgar and stupid. The movie going public has proven that they would rather spend their ticket money on an unbearably long and boring piece of product rather than a movie. Whether this bloated monstrosity will mark the end of processed summer trash or the beginning of a new era of disgusting filmmaking waits to be seen. Until then, those of us left with taste and dignity must hold out with solidarity and hope that Hollywood will make more TDK’s and less ROTF(L).

0/10

[Blackman]

I didnt like the movie but I dont see how you can give it a 0/10

[Sarge 2.0]

Did you even read my review? I explained that I found almost nothing of value in it. :huh:

[Blackman]

ya I read your review...hence I still cant see how you can give it a 0/10

[kedrell]

I gave it a 3/10 myself. The first movie was a 5/10.

[Blackman]

5-6/10

First one was a 7 for me

http://my.spill.com/video/video/show?id=947994%3AVideo%3A1399406
best review for it so far. I liked it slightly better than they did, but I agree with most of their points

[Sarge 2.0]

ya I read your review...hence I still cant see how you can give it a 0/10Why? I explained in detail that there was virtually nothing good about the movie aside from a single moment. I articulated no positive feelings about the film. Why in God's name would I give it anything more than a 0 if I spent several paragraphs explaining how I thought the film was worthless? OK, since you apparently know more about what my review says than I do, what do you think I should have given it based on the content of my review?

[Blackman]

Why? I explained in detail that there was virtually nothing good about the movie aside from a single moment. I articulated no positive feelings about the film. Why in God's name would I give it anything more than a 0 if I spent several paragraphs explaining how I thought the film was worthless? OK, since you apparently know more about what my review says than I do, what do you think I should have given it based on the content of my review?
why so mad? I didnt say I know more about your review than you do what are you talking about? Im saying I disagree with your rating still after reading your review

[Godman]

I didnt like the movie but I dont see how you can give it a 0/10

the fact u sit through the entire thing to be able to judge it means something kept u there cause u can walk out mid way and get ur money back. So it can not be a zero. Were the visual effect also garbage??? if u like or were entertained by a single thing then it can not be a zero

[Sarge 2.0]

why so mad? I didnt say I know more about your review than you do what are you talking about? Im saying I disagree with your rating still after reading your reviewBecause you're implying that my review somehow reflects a score higher than 0/10. It doesn't. Another slightly more positive review might, but I articulated at length why I felt the film merited a zero, and you maintained that you "couldn't see" how I gave it a zero. Well, see, if I spend several paragraphs explaining in detail why I believe that the movie is worthless, why is it so difficult for you to believe that I would give the movie the lowest score possible. You may have liked things about the movie, that's fine. But don't say that you "can't see" how I could give the movie a zero when I discuss at length why I feel it deserved the score I gave it. I wasn't saying that you can't disagree, I was saying that I clearly stated why I felt the movie deserved a zero. That's all.

[Blackman]

ok, calm down

[Colossal Spoons]

Sarge, roll out :(

[Sarge 2.0]

the fact u sit through the entire thing to be able to judge it means something kept u there cause u can walk out mid way and get ur money back. So it can not be a zero. Were the visual effect also garbage??? if u like or were entertained by a single thing then it can not be a zero
I sat through it because I would not be able to write a credible review if I didn't sit through it. It's a matter of integrity. Yes, it can be a zero. I almost - but not quite - enjoyed 15 seconds of the movie. That doesn't mean it's not a zero.

[Sarge 2.0]

Sarge, roll out :(I forgot to mention "Give me your face". That line confused the **** out of me.

[Figs]

Sarge 2.0, usually I enjoy and agree with a good number of your film reviews but I have a hard time with taking critics seriously(especially ones who get paid for it) who give films a 0. A 1 is fair enough but a 0 is what I call either biased or an exaggeration to where you ignore the one or two things that might have been even semi-pleasing(which technically wouldn't warrant a 0 since a 0 should be a movie that has literally nothing that you enjoyed). I do recall you said that the Optimus fights/scenes gave you a little tiny bit of joy.

Anyways, it is your review and your choice to give it a 0. I'm just saying that to make sense for your review to give it a 0/10 you might want to omit the little bit about enjoying Optimus, you would think that would bring it up to a 1...or maybe a .5. XD

[Longshot777]

I give it an 8/10

It would have been 9/10


IF:

1. Soundwave talks with the vocoder effect and transforms into a robot.

2. Sideswipe should have been RED and more appearances.

- I mean when he slashed Sideways, alot of my friends who are not into Transformers were confused if that was the good guy or bad guy that just got sliced or the one doing the slicing.

3. Better dialogues for the Twin Gangsta robots.

4. Jetfire transforming to that awesome Jet to go to Egypt instead of just teleporting there...WHERE the hell did that come from and wtf moment??!!

He has an awesome jet mode, USE IT BAY

[Colossal Spoons]

I forgot to mention "Give me your face". That line confused the **** out of me.

I thought it was badass at first, but then it seemed like a villainous thing to say.

[Sarge 2.0]

I said it approached something like joy. :o

It came close to approximating something that was entertaining, but was overwhelmed by two and a half hours of pure garbage.

[S.A.A.D.]

Why? I explained in detail that there was virtually nothing good about the movie aside from a single moment. I articulated no positive feelings about the film. Why in God's name would I give it anything more than a 0 if I spent several paragraphs explaining how I thought the film was worthless? OK, since you apparently know more about what my review says than I do, what do you think I should have given it based on the content of my review?

Personally,I think you posting that bloated review with a 0/10 is the most trollish thing that I have ever seen,fan of the Transformers brand or not,I don't care.

[Godman]

I finally managed to get past my blinding rage and crushing despair and was able to write a full review. Enjoy.

I agree with 90% of ur review but can argue some even though the movie was not good to me, due to a logical stand point on debating.

Optimus in the woods is the best moment from both the first and second. Hell ANY scene optimus was in was pretty much it. Bumble Bee had his moments, but that crying ******** was atrocious. my home girl even asked if the cartoon ever had them doing human **** like getting OLD, CRYING, SPITTING BLOOD, and FARTING etc. stupid crap

[Sarge 2.0]

I thought it was badass at first, but then it seemed like a villainous thing to say.
It kind of weirded me out. It just didn't seem like something Optimus would say.

[Sarge 2.0]

Personally,I think you posting that bloated review with a 0/10 is the most trollish thing that I have ever seen,fan of the Transformers brand or not,I don't care.Yes, posting my honest opinion in the form of a review in the Tranformers review thread is trolling. :huh:

[roach]

the blackbird wouldnt be able to hold Sam, Mikalia, the twins and Bumblebee

[roach]

I agree with 90% of ur review but can argue some even though the movie was not good to me, due to a logical stand point on debating.

Optimus in the woods is the best moment from both the first and second. Hell ANY scene optimus was in was pretty much it. Bumble Bee had his moments, but that crying ******** was atrocious. my home girl even asked if the cartoon ever had them doing human **** like getting OLD, CRYING, SPITTING BLOOD, and FARTING etc. stupid crap

they did get old...Cup is an old robot

[S.A.A.D.]

I said it approached something like joy. :o

It came close to approximating something that was entertaining, but was overwhelmed by two and a half hours of pure garbage.

Ok,so even before the movie ended it was garbage to you and yet,you sat through the entire movie. I'm confused how you can present yourself with wit but be so easily confused upon hearing a piece of dialog from Prime saying to the Fallen "Give me your face!". No wait I am not confused but I just find it funny in the tongue in cheek sort of way,and interesting too.

[BlackLantern]

It kind of weirded me out. It just didn't seem like something Optimus would say.

it did to me...it's a war and Optimus has been at it for a long time...the Decepticons will not stop and Optimus wants to make sure they all know that the Autobots are not to be ****ed with

[Sarge 2.0]

Ok,so even before the movie ended it was garbage to you and yet,you sat through the entire movie. I'm confused how you can present yourself with wit but be so easily confused upon hearing a piece of dialog from Prime saying to the Fallen "Give me your face!". No wait I am not confused but I just find it funny in the tongue in cheek sort of way,and interesting too.
I sat through it because I wouldn't be able to write a credible review if I didn't. I never, ever leave a film no matter how bad. And when I said I was "confused" by the line I meant that it was out of character for Optimus and therefore felt out of place. Good try though, champ. You'll get 'em next time. :up:

[BlackLantern]

Ive only walked out on 2 films ever....Most Wanted starring Keenan Ivory Wayans and Monkeybone

[Nathan]

Even in war Optimus shouldn't go around shouting "Give me your face!" and then pulling it off for real. Of course he will do what is necessary to defend and protect earth, but that doesn't mean he'll go into blood thirsty berserker mode.

[BlackLantern]

Even in war Optimus shouldn't go around shouting "Give me your face!" and then pulling it off for real. Of course he will do what is necessary to defend and protect earth, but that doesn't mean he'll go into blood thirsty berserker mode.

why not??

[Sarge 2.0]

Ive only walked out on 2 films ever....Most Wanted starring Keenan Ivory Wayans and MonkeyboneI strongly, strongly considered walking out of Transformers 2. But I felt that it wouldn't be fair if I did. You should definitely be glad you walked out on Monkeybone, that movie was...not fun to say the least. :csad:

[SsM]

I've never walked out on anything. I even sat through "One missed call"

[Blackman]

I walked out of Punisher WarZone

[Mr. Earle]

You don't like how afraid Starscream was? Then I guess you don't like Starscream. Because once again, Starscream is at heart, a coward. Megatron is one of the cruelest, most powerful Transformers ever. Why wouldn't Starscream be scared of him then, since he is A, a coward, and B, at Megatron's mercy?
Alright, dont get mad! What i meant is that he is cocky as long as things are cool but when Megs brings the heat on him he is gone. In G1 at least (and his pterodactyl analogue in Beast wars) would often challenge Megatron, make mocking remarks about his failures, etc. Then Megatron would get mad and SS would be all "i didnt mean it". But in this it was just SS holding his breath every time Megatron was near him. He never uttered a word that would offend him. G1 Megatron wouldnt beat the **** out of SS if Sam got away. He would probably embarass him in front of the other decepticons. I hope you see my point.
Again, the first beating was justified, i am talking about the rest.

[Nathan]

why not??

Because he wouldn't be better than any Decepticon. Killing your opponent is sometimes a necessary evil, but he doesn't cause unnecessary pain when it's not required. He's a soldier, not freaking Conan the barbarian.

[Mr. Earle]

Even in war Optimus shouldn't go around shouting "Give me your face!" and then pulling it off for real. Of course he will do what is necessary to defend and protect earth, but that doesn't mean he'll go into blood thirsty berserker mode.
I agree Nathan, i hated that moment too. Especially that after he does it, the Fallen is reduced to a bare skeleton trying to escape and Prime grabs him and punches through him. It was cruel beyond words. It was exactly the way the bad guys kill in thousands of movies. I couldnt believe Prime was doing it.
why not??Because he is not Megatron...

[Pablo Parker]

Talking about walking out of the movie... The best part of Transformers 2 to me was going to the bathroom.

[roach]

have we not already established that these are different characters from the Cartoon

[BlackLantern]

Because he wouldn't be better than any Decepticon. Killing your opponent is sometimes a necessary evil, but he doesn't cause unnecessary pain when it's not required. He's a soldier, not freaking Conan the barbarian.

well I didn't see a Decepticon jail anywhere around....the way Ive seen it (since the first film) is that the Autobots have been pushed to the point of "kill or be killed"....Optimus, when fighting, seems to become a whirlwind of death and kick ass

[Nathan]

I'm not arguing that he shouldn't have killed the Fallen. Just that the face skinning wasn't required. It was unnecessary cruel. That's something Megatron would do. Heck, in the G1 Movie he even shouted stuff like "I'll rip out your optics!"

[roach]

well I didn't see a Decepticon jail anywhere around....the way Ive seen it (since the first film) is that the Autobots have been pushed to the point of "kill or be killed"....Optimus, when fighting, seems to become a whirlwind of death and kick ass

or maybe Optimus should have let him go with a stern talking to