Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread

[S.A.A.D.]

Well someone here has seen it and I am sure others will have seen it in the next few or more days before Weds.

[Venom160]

Well I haven't seen the actual movie but I've read the novelization and all I gotta say is "meh". Not better and not worse then the first. Same old bayformers.

[shigsy2003]

Okay first review. I would advise anyone wanting the film to be a surprise NOT to read my review. I will however say for those...IT WAS IMMENSE.

Okay so to open with we get some nice history, TF on Earth with Primitive man and a quality opening with Demolisher. Sideways is in this opening but lasts all of 10 seconds. Demolisher does a bit better but Prime is launched from a carrier in the air and Transforms mid way which was stunning and a great opening for him. As soon as Prime enters the fray Demolisher don't last long. The reason I have described the opening is because this is true throughout the film. Prime is a bad ass...no sorry THE bad ass. Every one of his fights is a walk in the park, forget the pussy Prime on TF 1, this is how Prime should be. The action in this film (especially the forest fight) is top notch but very draining. I was actually very thankful for the comedy, it may offend some people but I was fine with it. The opening hour paces a long and then as soon as Jet Fire turns up things slow down quite a lot as he delves into exposition. However savour this brief interlude, you will need it. The humans don't feel as intrusive as they did in 1 and the Twins/Wheelie are not Jar Jar bad...no where near. Megatrons return is somewhat rushed, you dont see him get built, just infused with the All Spark shard and then he goes off to Mars (I think it is Mars) when Starscream and the Fallen are chilling. The Decepticons really feel like a race in this film, they feel alive. Soundwave is welcome and perfectly done...just hope he is used in the third alot. Ravage was also great and YES he and BB do fight. The last fight is immense and very loud, it takes perhaps too long to actually start but when it does it races along. That is a bit off a problem it ends very suddenly. There is a Prime outro but I guess because it isn't as long as number 1 it feels like a rushed ending. There are a few shots ripped from TF1 but not to point of hurting the film and the Starscream/Megs rivalry is nicely played.

All in all this film was bigger and better than the first with each faction feeling like a civilisation. If you loved the first you will love this, but it will not change the minds of those who hated the first. A great action comedy. 9/10

[Ryo Jin]

Didn't like Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. First was way better. Reason?

Cons:
1. Absolutely ZERO character development for the Autobots. Bumblebee was there, but still felt somewhat empty. Optimus was the only one with a presence.

2. All the attention was on Skip and Mudflap. It's like Jar Jar in Star Wars! ARGH! These twin racist representations of ghetto people was only smirk worthy some of the time. Most of the time all we see is them! I want Ironhide! Ratchet! Arcee! Bumblebee! Sideswipe! These guys were only seen fighting, being transported, and with one liners in the fights. THAT'S IT =(

3. All style, no substance. As expected, but more so than I thought.

Pros:
1. Optimus Prime kicks tons of ass. This makes up for his lacking in the first.

2. Megatron and Starscream are just like they are in the original cartoons, great addition.

3. The CGI was AMAZING. Hot damn I've never seen so much special effects. It's like the end of the first movie times ten. Great job in this department.

Loved the first, so-so for this. I'd say 6/10-6.5/10

I'll give it a rewatch, maybe my verdict will be different like it was for Sin City when I rewatched that.

[Figs]

Kind of really sucks to hear that a lot of the attention is on the twins.

Just curious, how are they racist anyways?

[Ryo Jin]

Kind of really sucks to hear that a lot of the attention is on the twins.

Just curious, how are they racist anyways?

Well, I wouldn't say they're racist per se, but they do get on the nerves with their ghetto stereotyping. Even Bay hated these twins, so why is it that all of the screen time went to them? You got me. Optimus definitely got his spotlight, but that's about it for the Autobot side.

[The Caped Knight]

I've got some questions for those that saw the film

Does Peter Cullen have a cameo in this film ?

How's Megatron screentime this time around ?

Is The Fallen a worthy enemy to Prime & the Autobots ?

Do you get a hint of Primus & Unicron to be featured in movie 3 ?

[Figs]

Well, I wouldn't say they're racist per se, but they do get on the nerves with their ghetto stereotyping. Even Bay hated these twins, so why is it that all of the screen time went to them? You got me. Optimus definitely got his spotlight, but that's about it for the Autobot side.

That doesn't make sense, if Bay hated the twins he should have asked the writers to take their asses out of the film. So the twins both talk like Jazz did?

[Lunar_Wolf]

I've got some questions for those that saw the film

Does Peter Cullen have a cameo in this film ?

How's Megatron screentime this time around ?

Is The Fallen a worthy enemy to Prime & the Autobots ?

Do you get a hint of Primus & Unicron to be featured in movie 3 ?

No.

Megatron gets a good screentime, this felt like a Decepticon film.

Fallen seemed more vicious in his past the present.

No.


Pros

-This is a Decepticon film.

-Megatron, Starscream and Fallen on Cybertron was awesome.

-Action was outstanding.

-I got teary in some scenes

-Devastator was cool

-Adding the matrix was awesome

-Ravage was great.

-Sam's parents are hilarious.

-Loved Wheelie and Jetfire

-Special effects are perfect.

-So many great Transformations.

-MORE focus on the bots then humans.


Cons

-adult humor was a bit much, I can believe the F word was used.

-No character development on the new autobots.

-Ending was kinda lackluster in terms of where some characters went.

-Soundwave didn't have his famous voice.

-The film drags a little in the 3/4

-Devastator confused me. Longhaul was attached to Devastator and was fighting in a different battle at the dame time?

Overall I loved it. Kinda lacked in some areas, but makes up for in the weaknesses of the first.

8/10

[Figs]

Glad you liked it Lunar.

I can't wait to see it, I know what to expect since it's a Bay film so I don't think I'll be disappointed. So is a lot of the humour that bad?

I want to know so I can tell my parents if they'll like it or not. They really enjoyed the first film but really did not like the masturbation joke. To be honest and I'm not really sensitive or conservative, I even found it a bit out of place and felt it was in bad taste.

[The Caped Knight]

No.

Megatron gets a good screentime, this felt like a Decepticon film.

Fallen seemed more vicious in his past the present.

No.


Pros

-This is a Decepticon film.

-Megatron, Starscream and Fallen on Cybertron was awesome.

-Action was outstanding.

-I got teary in some scenes

-Devastator was cool

-Adding the matrix was awesome

-Ravage was great.

-Sam's parents are hilarious.

-Loved Wheelie and Jetfire

-Special effects are perfect.

-So many great Transformations.

-MORE focus on the bots then humans.


Cons

-adult humor was a bit much, I can believe the F word was used.

-No character development on the new autobots.

-Ending was kinda lackluster in terms of where some characters went.

-Soundwave didn't have his famous voice.

-The film drags a little in the 3/4

-Devastator confused me. Longhaul was attached to Devastator and was fighting in a different battle at the dame time?

Overall I loved it. Kinda lacked in some areas, but makes up for in the weaknesses of the first.

8/10

Thank you for answering my questions.

Here are a few more

1. Is Tony Todd the voice of the fallen ?

2. How were Jolt, Arcee, were they any good ?

3. Is the Space bridge or Energon seen ?

[Mr. Earle]

1. Absolutely ZERO character development for the Autobots. Bumblebee was there, but still felt somewhat empty. Optimus was the only one with a presence.

2. All the attention was on Skip and Mudflap. It's like Jar Jar in Star Wars! ARGH! These twin racist representations of ghetto people was only smirk worthy some of the time. Most of the time all we see is them! I want Ironhide! Ratchet! Arcee! Bumblebee! Sideswipe! These guys were only seen fighting, being transported, and with one liners in the fights. THAT'S IT =(WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY? What is so great about those 2 retards that would justify all this screentime spent on them rather than Ironhide, Bee, Ratchet, Sideswipe?

[Lunar_Wolf]

Glad you liked it Lunar.

I can't wait to see it, I know what to expect since it's a Bay film so I don't think I'll be disappointed. So is a lot of the humour that bad?

I want to know so I can tell my parents if they'll like it or not. They really enjoyed the first film but really did not like the masturbation joke. To be honest and I'm not really sensitive or conservative, I even found it a bit out of place and felt it was in bad taste.
It's not like it's not funny, but kinda too much for kids. Skids calls Leo a p*ssy.
Thank you for answering my questions.

Here are a few more

1. Is Tony Todd the voice of the fallen ?

2. How were Jolt, Arcee, were they any good ?

3. Is the Space bridge or Energon seen ?

1. Yes

2. Jolt is in the background once or twice and Arcee is barely in it.

4. Space bridge is mentioned and there is one scene where we see decepticon protoforms in energon which is blue.

I'm seeing it again in 2 hours. There is so much going on at times, it was hard to catch everything at first in scenes.

[Timstuff]

Whoa, is there an F-bomb in this movie!? :wow:

And I thought this movie was for kids. :csad:

[Dr Lee]

Saw the movie last night.......Loved it!

Just to cut down a long thread to something manageable... i'll spoiler tag the sections.

Good-

CGI is top notch.... best i've seen from ILM ever TBH
Prime was Badass.....
The Twins- So what if they were stupid rednecks..... i loved them.
Jetfire- Complete and utter Awesome!
Kevin Dunn- Kinda a surprise at the amount he had to do this time....
Megs and StarScream were don't brilliantly, SS seemed much more like his G1 personality.
Bumblebee was Badass in a few scenes as well.

The bad-

Despite the 2 hours 27 minute run time.... it felt too rushed.

I was confused during the climatic battle as to who was who..... not cuz i couldn't see what was going on... but because characters popped up here... then there... and somewhere else.... all at once.

Strange shot of Bonecrusher...... Yes Bonecrusher. There's a shot of a line of advancing 'Cons.... and slap bang in the centre is Bonecrusher in Vehicles mode.

Too many characters...... Not sure why but there were far too many Autobots in movie..... Jolt never said a word, and was only seen TWICE, Sideswipe had a bit more to do , but again, only had one or two lines.... Hide, Ratchet... reduced to secondary characters....the Arcee bikes.... never explained if they were one unit or three seperate units in a team,

Soundwave was nothing more than a head poking out the top of a USAF satellite.

The Ugly-

close-up of Simmons' butt in a thong:jack_new_anime05:
Devestator had testicles..... No lie.:mckay:
The possibly Gay dog sex:jack_new_anime05: (Mojo humping a dog called 'Frankie'.... didn't hear if they said if it was a boy or girl dog though)
Wheelie madly humping Megan's leg

[Figs]

Saw the movie last night.......Loved it!

Just to cut down a long thread to something manageable... i'll spoiler tag the sections.

Good-

CGI is top notch.... best i've seen from ILM ever TBH
Prime was Badass.....
The Twins- So what if they were stupid rednecks..... i loved them.
Jetfire- Complete and utter Awesome!
Kevin Dunn- Kinda a surprise at the amount he had to do this time....
Megs and StarScream were don't brilliantly, SS seemed much more like his G1 personality.
Bumblebee was Badass in a few scenes as well.

The bad-

Despite the 2 hours 27 minute run time.... it felt too rushed.

I was confused during the climatic battle as to who was who..... not cuz i couldn't see what was going on... but because characters popped up here... then there... and somewhere else.... all at once.

Strange shot of Bonecrusher...... Yes Bonecrusher. There's a shot of a line of advancing 'Cons.... and slap bang in the centre is Bonecrusher in Vehicles mode.

Too many characters...... Not sure why but there were far too many Autobots in movie..... Jolt never said a word, and was only seen TWICE, Sideswipe had a bit more to do , but again, only had one or two lines.... Hide, Ratchet... reduced to secondary characters....the Arcee bikes.... never explained if they were one unit or three seperate units in a team,

Soundwave was nothing more than a head poking out the top of a USAF satellite.

The Ugly-

close-up of Simmons' butt in a thong:jack_new_anime05:
Devestator had testicles..... No lie.:mckay:
The possibly Gay dog sex:jack_new_anime05: (Mojo humping a dog called 'Frankie'.... didn't hear if they said if it was a boy or girl dog though)
Wheelie madly humping Megan's leg

Wow, lol a lot of parents are going to be pissed with some of that raunchy humour. Bay's past films(minus masterbating joke in TF1) were never that bad when it came to humour from what I can remember.

[Lunar_Wolf]

Saw the movie last night.......Loved it!

Just to cut down a long thread to something manageable... i'll spoiler tag the sections.

Good-

CGI is top notch.... best i've seen from ILM ever TBH
Prime was Badass.....
The Twins- So what if they were stupid rednecks..... i loved them.
Jetfire- Complete and utter Awesome!
Kevin Dunn- Kinda a surprise at the amount he had to do this time....
Megs and StarScream were don't brilliantly, SS seemed much more like his G1 personality.
Bumblebee was Badass in a few scenes as well.

The bad-

Despite the 2 hours 27 minute run time.... it felt too rushed.

I was confused during the climatic battle as to who was who..... not cuz i couldn't see what was going on... but because characters popped up here... then there... and somewhere else.... all at once.

Strange shot of Bonecrusher...... Yes Bonecrusher. There's a shot of a line of advancing 'Cons.... and slap bang in the centre is Bonecrusher in Vehicles mode.

Too many characters...... Not sure why but there were far too many Autobots in movie..... Jolt never said a word, and was only seen TWICE, Sideswipe had a bit more to do , but again, only had one or two lines.... Hide, Ratchet... reduced to secondary characters....the Arcee bikes.... never explained if they were one unit or three seperate units in a team,

Soundwave was nothing more than a head poking out the top of a USAF satellite.

The Ugly-

close-up of Simmons' butt in a thong:jack_new_anime05:
Devestator had testicles..... No lie.:mckay:
The possibly Gay dog sex:jack_new_anime05: (Mojo humping a dog called 'Frankie'.... didn't hear if they said if it was a boy or girl dog though)
Wheelie madly humping Megan's leg

Knew I saw Bonecrusher.

Did Simmons say the f word or did i hear things?

[Mr. Earle]

If i am not mistaken, even Wheelie drops an F bomb during that clip with Megan Fox. He says: "this place is a ****ing house of horrors".
At least i think so.

[Dr Lee]

Wheelie was 'Frigging'... Don't remember hearing Simmons use the Fword

[mr. peasant]

Just watched the movie. And I must say, most of my thoughts have already been posted. It does seem rushed and yet some parts just dragged. In other words, pacing could have been tighter. Also, some parts that struck a nerve:

A fellow robot died in order to give Optimus his upgrade. Upon beating the Fallen, what does he do? Chucks it aside like so much waste.

The Fallen revealed the Transformers' existence and announced he was after Sam. The movie also indicated that the government was considering said option. Yet, at no point did it feel as though other humans were after him. Sure, he was on a 'wanted list' but again, nothing came of it.

There were far, far too many Transformers on both sides and at the climax. I couldn't tell them apart and more importantly, I couldn't tell whose side they were on. It was just too chaotic to appreciate.

Lastly, Devastator's size could have been done better. Why have a humongous Transformer built from several vehicles and not put another Transformer beside for scale comparison? Then, there's the really big one at the start of the movie, making Devastator's initial appearance all the less impressive.

[luca_frontino]

I read the movie adaptation from IDW and, even if it's without all the stupid jokes and useless scenes, I've find it a complete garbage.
Dreamwave's Generation One is a godmade work in comparison!

[Octoberist]

Question:

What is the screentime of Prime's faceplate? It gets knocked off but does he get it back?

Also, does Soundwave talk and does he still have that monotone robot voice?

[protocida]

I only have one question:

Does Jolt die?

Answer "Yes" or "No", please. :woot:

[The Lizard]

Seeing free advance screening Monday. Will post review then.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I only have one question:

Does Jolt die?

Answer "Yes" or "No", please. :woot:
No.
Question:

What is the screentime of Prime's faceplate? It gets knocked off but does he get it back?

Also, does Soundwave talk and does he still have that monotone robot voice?

Primes faceplate is pretty much in it like the first and it does get back on.

Soundwave talks but does not a his voice, which sucked.

[Lunar_Wolf]

I've got a question for people who saw it-Longhaul combined to for Devastator, why was another Longhaul at the other side of the battle field also? I also saw two mixmasters.

[luca_frontino]

Re-use of models at the most imbaressing level.

[shigsy2003]

I've got a question for people who saw it-Longhaul combined to for Devastator, why was another Longhaul at the other side of the battle field also? I also saw two mixmasters.

I believe so. The way I saw it was some of the protoforms taking the shape of the only vehicles in the vicinity, hence the duplicates.

[chaseter]

Re-use of models at the most imbaressing level.
Have you seen the movie?

[luca_frontino]

No, but it's pointed out by many viewers.

[chaseter]

And shigsy, who has seen the movie coincidentally, told you what he saw...protoforms scanning the only vehicles in the area.

[S.A.A.D.]

Luca...STOP TRYING TO CAUSE TROUBLE!! Your fun time was up along time ago. All you do is nag and nag and nag about the movie,if you hate it that much then why do you keep talking smack about it? Don't you think it would be better to talk about something you're not opposed to? I have had just about enough of you,we understand that you hate the movie with a passion despite not seeing the whole damn thing. The world doesn't evolve around you regardless of what you think.

[luca_frontino]

Luca...STOP TRYING TO CAUSE TROUBLE!! Your fun time was up along time ago. All you do is nag and nag and nag about the movie,if you hate it that much then why do you keep talking smack about it? Don't you think it would be better to talk about something you're not opposed to? I have had just about enough of you,we understand that you hate the movie with a passion despite not seeing the whole damn thing. The world doesn't evolve around you regardless of what you think.

You seem a big Bayfan...

[chaseter]

He has also made two completely wrong threads, Michael Bay Out of the Way, and 51 Minutes out of 2.5 Hours to only bash the movie he has not seen. He has been proven wrong many times but he persists.

How about you watch the movie, and then tell us what you thought about it instead of telling us what you hate about it without any basis what-so-ever.

[bdorpetzl]

Re-use of models at the most imbaressing level.

That never happened in the cartoon. . . Oh wait:cwink:

[shigsy2003]

And shigsy, who has seen the movie coincidentally, told you what he saw...protoforms scanning the only vehicles in the area.

Let me just state for the record that the new Protoforms who arrive in Egypt are never shown to scan vehicles, this is my logical assumption. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

Oh and Luca it is pointless to diss the movie now till you see it, seeing as how us Brits can now counter any criticisms you garner from trailers and tv spots. Hardly fair to criticise though, since what you see is not in any context.

[S.A.A.D.]

I hope Cmill216 goe's after him or someone else before it becomes worse.
He's gonna keep doing this stuff writing off information as truth when it's been debunked.

[chaseter]

Let me just state for the record that the new Protoforms who arrive in Egypt are never shown to scan vehicles, this is my logical assumption. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

It's fine to assume and I am glad you said that because it makes sense and anybody who now watches it will know what happened and anybody that has watched it now has a viable explanation for why that happened:cwink: It makes sense.

[luca_frontino]

He has also made two completely wrong threads, Michael Bay Out of the Way, and 51 Minutes out of 2.5 Hours to only bash the movie he has not seen. He has been proven wrong many times but he persists.

How about you watch the movie, and then tell us what you thought about it instead of telling us what you hate about it without any basis what-so-ever.

And you too are a big Bayfan.

I still believe the 51 minutes are correct, because people can't actually misure the exact amount of time in wich robots actually are on screen in a theater.
ILM has given their official numbers, so I take that.

And "Michael Bay out of the way" has become now a place to discuss the credibility of a director that, after 2 installment, has not given anything besides new direction for the desings to ILM.

[shigsy2003]

I hope Cmill216 goe's after him or someone else before it becomes worse.
He's gonna keep doing this stuff writing off information as truth when it's been debunked.

Well like I said we can piss on his immature fire. I and a few of the other Brits here have seen the movie, he hasn't. If he wishes to continue then so be it, I can't see any of us having a problem raining on his parade.

[chaseter]

And you too are a big Bayfan.

I still believe the 51 minutes are correct, because people can't actually misure the exact amount of time in wich robots actually are on screen in a theater.
ILM has given their official numbers, so I take that.

And "Michael Bay out of the way" has become now a place to discuss the credibility of a director that, after 2 installment, has not given anything besides new direction for the desings to ILM.
ILM did 51 minutes. There are two other SFX companies that worked on the film. That means that they did SFX too:wow: That means that more than 51 minutes of SFX is in this movie:wow:

OMFG:wow:

I love your ignorance:heart:

[shigsy2003]

It's fine to assume and I am glad you said that because it makes sense and anybody who now watches it will know what happened and anybody that has watched it now has a viable explanation for why that happened:cwink: It makes sense.

Okay cool. I would have thought that, that would have been the first thing to enter people's minds when watching it...except of course for Luca...oh wait sorry he hasn't seen it yet.

Luca...trust me even if the TF are in it for only 51 minutes (which trust me they are not seeing as how ILM aren't the only ones doing the effects) then it has been edited perfectly as they seem to always be in it.

[Figs]

ILM did 51 minutes. There are two other SFX companies that worked on the film. That means that they did SFX too:wow: That means that more than 51 minutes of SFX is in this movie:wow:

OMFG:wow:

I love your ignorance:heart:

Yup, plus it's already been said in a number of reviews that the robots have the spotlight in this film finally after many complaints that the first film focused too much on the humans.

[Electrofarce]

No, but it's pointed out by many viewers.

This guy's hilarious.

[MessiahDecoy123]

That's the weirdest rating poll I've ever seen.

[Figs]

Should have made the poll public.

[S.A.A.D.]

Well like I said we can piss on his immature fire. I and a few of the other Brits here have seen the movie, he hasn't. If he wishes to continue then so be it, I can't see any of us having a problem raining on his parade.

True. :o

[S.A.A.D.]

Should have made the poll public.

I'm not use to doing that. Is that still possible to do? Or is it too late for that? And if it's possible how do I accomplish that?

[S.A.A.D.]

Okay cool. I would have thought that, that would have been the first thing to enter people's minds when watching it...except of course for Luca...oh wait sorry he hasn't seen it yet.

Luca...trust me even if the TF are in it for only 51 minutes (which trust me they are not seeing as how ILM aren't the only ones doing the effects) then it has been edited perfectly as they seem to always be in it.

Yep,Digital Domain and K.N.B effects if I remember right,they did do
work on the last movie.

[Figs]

I'm not use to doing that. Is that still possible to do? Or is it too late for that? And if it's possible how do I accomplish that?

Ask a Mod, they might be able to fix it. Then again, it might be better not knowing who voted for what, could just cause a **** storm.

[Orb]

How was Fallen and what did he do?

[Figs]

How was Fallen and what did he do?

LOL Couldn't help but point out that your post reminded me of Arnold in Kindergarten Cop. "Who is your daddy and what does he do?"

[Spade]

My only question is "How much of this makes sense?" In the first film, there were a lot of convenient plot twist, like the spiel with Megatron's navigational system and how the All Spark worked, and some weird things like the Bat/Trans-Signal and- again- how the All Spark worked. Is it more of the same or does this movie go for less MacGuffins?

[Shivsguy616]

Wow.... that was pretty damn bad. Every single comment I overheard after the showing was negative.

[Shivsguy616]

My only question is "How much of this makes sense?" In the first film, there were a lot of convenient plot twist, like the spiel with Megatron's navigational system and how the All Spark worked, and some weird things like the Bat/Trans-Signal and- again- how the All Spark worked. Is it more of the same or does this movie go for less MacGuffins?

Almost nothing. So much of the plot is pointless, it's better not to expect it to be logical.

[J.Howlett]

Who ever has seen the film, could you please answer these questions posed by Devin over at CHUD. I kind of find them hilarious:

- What/who is the Fallen getting revenge on?

- Why can only Optimus Prime kill The Fallen (since he's a Prime as well) but three Decepticons can kill Optimus?

- Why did the Fallen wait 3000 years to find the Matrix of Leadership, which was about three miles from the sun destroying machine?

- How does Jetfire open the back door of the Smithsonian and end up in California? How does Jetfire teleport Sam, Mikaela, the new roommate, John Turturro and Wheelie but have Bumblebee and the Twins show up in Egypt with them? Since when could the Transformers teleport at will?

[Shivsguy616]

Who ever has seen the film, could you please answer these questions posed by Devin over at CHUD. I kind of find them hilarious:

- What/who is the Fallen getting revenge on?

- Why can only Optimus Prime kill The Fallen (since he's a Prime as well) but three Decepticons can kill Optimus?

- Why did the Fallen wait 3000 years to find the Matrix of Leadership, which was about three miles from the sun destroying machine?

- How does Jetfire open the back door of the Smithsonian and end up in California? How does Jetfire teleport Sam, Mikaela, the new roommate, John Turturro and Wheelie but have Bumblebee and the Twins show up in Egypt with them? Since when could the Transformers teleport at will?

Spoilers:

1.)The fallen is getting revenge on the other primes, who turned against him when he turned bad.

2.)Bad writing I guess.

3.)He needed the allspark to find it.

4.) A.It doesn't say where they are.
B.The twins, wheelie and bumblebee are all with Sam etc at the museum.
C.Since this film apparently.

[Mr. Earle]

Who ever has seen the film, could you please answer these questions posed by Devin over at CHUD. I kind of find them hilarious:

- What/who is the Fallen getting revenge on?

- Why can only Optimus Prime kill The Fallen (since he's a Prime as well) but three Decepticons can kill Optimus?

- Why did the Fallen wait 3000 years to find the Matrix of Leadership, which was about three miles from the sun destroying machine?

- How does Jetfire open the back door of the Smithsonian and end up in California? How does Jetfire teleport Sam, Mikaela, the new roommate, John Turturro and Wheelie but have Bumblebee and the Twins show up in Egypt with them? Since when could the Transformers teleport at will?See, Michael Bay tried to distract you by showing you Megan Fox's body to cover up the holes of his plot (if there is any) but you beat him. :hehe:

[Orb]

Hey Shivs can you answer this?
How was Fallen and what did he do?

[Lunar_Wolf]

Just got out of the film for a second time, better second time around.:woot:

How was Fallen and what did he do?
Fallen was pretty awesome. He came to earth 100's of years ago and tried to wipe out the human race for the sun. Primes would use a machine to drain suns energy into energon. But only planets with no life so the sun missing would not kill anyone. The Fallen betrayed his brothers when he tried to take the suns energy.
My only question is "How much of this makes sense?" In the first film, there were a lot of convenient plot twist, like the spiel with Megatron's navigational system and how the All Spark worked, and some weird things like the Bat/Trans-Signal and- again- how the All Spark worked. Is it more of the same or does this movie go for less MacGuffins?
Makes more sense then the first. More of a bigger story, but is told well.

[Spade]

Almost nothing. So much of the plot is pointless, it's better not to expect it to be logical.

What, then, were the biggest issues you noticed?

[Shivsguy616]

Hey Shivs can you answer this?

Not exactly sure what you mean.

He did a bit of fighting, sat in his big unexplained base on one of Saturn's moons, talked about his revenge, then did some more fighting. Nothing special really.

[cyclone]

Jus got back from seeing it (in the UK). I gotta say, I loved it.

I'm not taking a swipe at anyone, but you've gotta realise, you've got film with big robots....with Michael Bay directing....was anyone seriously hoping or expecting a film which was gonna win an Oscar or other award for 'Best Actor' or 'Best Director'?? A proper 'film-film'? It does what it's designed to do. Rake in money.

Personally, I loved it. Don't really have any gripes. Maybe Wheelie was a bit pants....but thats it. Loved the Twins. The whole "I will bust your face..." was brilliant.

Couldn't see any major plotholes that you'd lose sleep over. Only thing I didn't quite 'get', is they must have duplicated the Constructicons, or each Constructicon had 2 variations. In the last part with Devastator, he's clearly in one piece destroying stuff, while you see Long Haul, Scrapper etc in the fight with Sam, Mikaela, Lennox etc. Odd...

But yeh, as far as Summer blockbusters go, and as far as a sequel, to me it did what it should. Took characters we knew, developed them a bit more, gave us some new characters, and improved on the first.

9/10.

[Mr. Earle]

I thought he was in stasis lock. What the hell was he doing all these thousands of years in Saturn's moon? Masturbating?

[Shivsguy616]

What, then, were the biggest issues you noticed?

Okay, alot of things just seemed a bit pointless and underexplained.

A couple huge plot holes though;

The primes supposidly sacrificed their lives to form a casing around the matrix so the fallen could never get it. Well, bumblebee breaks through that casing with ease, rendering it pointless.

Also, the sun destroying machine is built into the pyramid, a structure which has been meticulously excavated for decades.

[J.Howlett]

Shivs,

Thanks for answering. As far as the Fallen's revenge goes, Bay basically said a while ago that the title has a double meaning...so I find it hilarious that Devin couldn't figure that out.

As for teleportation, the original cartoon had a few Transformers that in fact teleported, so that's not a big deal to me anyway.

[Shivsguy616]

I thought he was in stasis lock. What the hell was he doing all these thousands of years in Saturn's moon? Masturbating?

Growing babies it would seem, so... possibly.

[Mr. Earle]

Okay, alot of things just seemed a bit pointless and underexplained.

A couple huge plot holes though;

The primes supposidly sacrificed their lives to form a casing around the matrix so the fallen could never get it. Well, bumblebee breaks through that casing with ease, rendering it pointless.

Also, the sun destroying machine is built into the pyramid, a structure which has been meticulously excavated for decades.Didnt it occur to them to kill the Fallen? Or was he so powerful that they couldnt? But then Prime with a jetpack can? WTF?

[Shivsguy616]

Didnt it occur to them to kill the Fallen? Or was he so powerful that they couldnt? But then Prime with a jetpack can? WTF?

True.

[Conebone69]

I only have two questions :)

1. Is there still a bunch of needless cheesy kid humor?

2. How are the female bots? Is it really bad?

[Mr. Earle]

True.Thanks for your answers mate!

So really now... is the plot so incredibly stupid?

And another thing, why did the Fallen stay in Saturn's moon for all this time? How did it serve his purpose, why didnt he wake up Megatron or search for the allspark himself?

[Shivsguy616]

I only have two questions :)

1. Is there still a bunch of needless cheesy kid humor?

2. How are the female bots? Is it really bad?

1. Yes, but to be honest, there's quite a bit of good humour.

2. Not featured much. Speak once, obviously female, but no character development.

[Shivsguy616]

Thanks for your answers mate!

So really now... is the plot so incredibly stupid?

And another thing, why did the Fallen stay in Saturn's moon for all this time? How did it serve his purpose, why didnt he wake up Megatron or search for the allspark himself?

Not sure. He seemed to liven up once he "sensed" Prime had died. Maybe he was afraid.

[Mr. Earle]

Another one popped into my head:
How are the new Autobots explained? Where do they come from? Cyberton is supposedly Decepticon territory. Where they taking refuge among the stars and heard Prime's call? Did they land as pods?

[Conebone69]

1. Yes, but to be honest, there's quite a bit of good humour.

2. Not featured much. Speak once, obviously female, but no character development.

Thanks man. Does the humor ruin some moments in the movie? And is it really any darker?

[chaseter]

Okay, alot of things just seemed a bit pointless and underexplained.

A couple huge plot holes though;

The primes supposidly sacrificed their lives to form a casing around the matrix so the fallen could never get it. Well, bumblebee breaks through that casing with ease, rendering it pointless.

Also, the sun destroying machine is built into the pyramid, a structure which has been meticulously excavated for decades.
Maybe it was like something that has been seen time and time again. In Sorcer's/Philosophers Stone, magic kept those that were looking for it from getting it. So, Harry was able to get the stone where Voldemort could not. Maybe the Matrix is only protected against the Fallen because he is the only one that wants it. Would that be the same thing? That theme has been seen in a ton of novels and movies...the Sword and the Stone for another example.

[Shivsguy616]

Another one popped into my head:
How are the new Autobots explained? Where do they come from? Cyberton is supposedly Decepticon territory. Where they taking refuge among the stars and heard Prime's call? Did they land as pods?

Yup, but they're already there at the beginning. That IS mentioned.

[Shivsguy616]

Thanks man. Does the humor ruin some moments in the movie? And is it really any darker?

Um, no, not really, but that's probably because I decided to accept it as pretty much a comedy. It isn't darker. The humor does detract from the "epicness" of it all.

[Figs]

That's what I forgot to ask!

How annoying is Sam's college roommate?

According to parts of the novelization that people posted he sounds incredibly annoying to the point where I hope his screen time is very limited.

[Shivsguy616]

Maybe it was like something that has been seen time and time again. In Sorcer's/Philosophers Stone, magic kept those that were looking for it from getting it. So, Harry was able to get the stone where Voldemort could not. Maybe the Matrix is only protected against the Fallen because he is the only one that wants it. Would that be the same thing? That theme has been seen in a ton of novels and movies...the Sword and the Stone for another example.

Possibly. I was under the belief that this was set in the real world. We happen to be visited by technological aliens, but it IS the real world. So, maybe I'm looking at it wrong. I mean; Sam dies and is revived by a vision, which also turns dust into the matrix. That is pretty magicy. Meh, just don't get your hopes up. If you enjoy it, good for you. I enjoyed most of it, it just got a bit boring now and then.

[Mr. Earle]

Thank you for taking the time to respond to us Shivsguy616 (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=64713)!

[Shivsguy616]

That's what I forgot to ask!

How annoying is Sam's college roommate?

According to parts of the novelization that people posted he sounds incredibly annoying to the point where I hope his screen time is very limited.

He's ok. A bit of a superfluous character, but he is often the butt of a joke or physical gaff, so I wouldn't say his presence is anoying.

[Shivsguy616]

Thank you for taking the time to respond to us Shivsguy616 (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=64713)!

No bother. It's novel. I'm usually on the side trying not to read the answers :D

[chaseter]

Possibly. I was under the belief that this was set in the real world. We happen to be visited by technological aliens, but it IS the real world. So, maybe I'm looking at it wrong. I mean; Sam dies and is revived by a vision, which also turns dust into the matrix. That is pretty magicy. Meh, just don't get your hopes up. If you enjoy it, good for you. I enjoyed most of it, it just got a bit boring now and then.
Well you prefaced your last post with saying that the Primes gave their life to protect the Matrix from the Fallen. That sounds pretty magicy. Plus, although this is meant to be more on the side of realistic, there still is a lot of heavy sci-fi/fantasy elements.

As long as it is on par or better than the first...I will be good.

[Mr. Earle]

That's what I forgot to ask!

How annoying is Sam's college roommate?

According to parts of the novelization that people posted he sounds incredibly annoying to the point where I hope his screen time is very limited.That roommate looks like a complete maggot (:grin: if you know what i mean...). I hated him from the first time i saw a pic of him. But i am probably prejudiced for no reason. Hehe...

[Shivsguy616]

Well you prefaced your last post with saying that the Primes gave their life to protect the Matrix from the Fallen. That sounds pretty magicy. Plus, although this is meant to be more on the side of realistic, there still is a lot of heavy sci-fi/fantasy elements.

As long as it is on par or better than the first...I will be good.

Oh, well the sacrificing their lives is literally just melting themselves around it so it can't be obtained.

[Meus]

I just came out of the theatre and although I don't want to go into details about my personal review of the movie (it was awesome. end.) I do want to mention Mikaela.

Right from the get go when she was on her bike in that angle, the crowd moaned with discontent. Her shiny face and sexuality oozing, with the camera loving her blue eyes in the backdrop of this intense sunlight, made some people uncomfortable at what type of movie they were going to get. I think everyone was already convinced she was only there for the sex appeal. As the movie went on, whispers of how 'dumb' and 'stupid' her character was spread - mainly due to her stereotypical cliché's of relationships and how boys "always change the subject". For a beautiful and mature woman to be acting like a young school girl increased the dislike of her.

I don't know about you guys, but I felt more chemistry and closeness between Optimus and Sam. Mikaela's character was a waste of space. She mentioned how she follows Sam "till this point" so he doesn't get himself killed, so all she does is stand in the scene or hold his hand when running. Optimus and Sam, on the other hand, sacrifice each other for one another. The dialogue between the two was fantastic.

[Figs]

That roommate looks like a complete maggot (:grin: if you know what i mean...). I hated him from the first time i saw a pic of him. But i am probably prejudiced for no reason. Hehe...

I don't think I've ever seen pics of him yet.

[Mr. Earle]

Oh, well the sacrificing their lives is literally just melting themselves around it so it can't be obtained.1) Do they talk? I hope they do.
2) Do they fight the Fallen?
3) Is the Fallen scary as Megs was in the first movie (he was scary to me at least) or is he a complete laughing stock?
4) Does Bumblebee ever talk like a normal robot? I think i enjoy his puppy noises... His response to Sam's mom when she calls him a "psychotic alien" is very funny.

[Shivsguy616]

Just to give my own, unprompted review. I'm astounded that anyone found it awesome. That simply wasn't the concensus at my cinema.

[Meus]

1) Do they talk? I hope they do.
2) Do they fight the Fallen?
3) Is the Fallen scary as Megs was in the first movie (he was scary to me at least) or is he a complete laughing stock?
4) Does Bumblebee ever talk like a normal robot? I think i enjoy his puppy noises... His response to Sam's mom when she calls him a "psychotic alien" is very funny.

Would you like me to answer them?

[Episode29]

I just came out of the theatre and although I don't want to go into details about my personal review of the movie (it was awesome. end.) I do want to mention Mikaela.

Right from the get go when she was on her bike in that angle, the crowd moaned with discontent. Her shiny face and sexuality oozing, with the camera loving her blue eyes in the backdrop of this intense sunlight, made some people uncomfortable at what type of movie they were going to get. I think everyone was already convinced she was only there for the sex appeal. As the movie went on, whispers of how 'dumb' and 'stupid' her character was spread - mainly due to her stereotypical cliché's of relationships and how boys "always change the subject". For a beautiful and mature woman to be acting like a young school girl increased the dislike of her.

I don't know about you guys, but I felt more chemistry and closeness between Optimus and Sam. Mikaela's character was a waste of space. She mentioned how she follows Sam "till this point" so he doesn't get himself killed, so all she does is stand in the scene or hold his hand when running. Optimus and Sam, on the other hand, sacrifice each other for one another. The dialogue between the two was fantastic.

Epic post.

[Shivsguy616]

1) Do they talk? I hope they do.
2) Do they fight the Fallen?
3) Is the Fallen scary as Megs was in the first movie (he was scary to me at least) or is he a complete laughing stock?
4) Does Bumblebee ever talk like a normal robot? I think i enjoy his puppy noises... His response to Sam's mom when she calls him a "psychotic alien" is very funny.

1) They talk to Sam after he dies...
2) Yes
3) No, not as imposing as Megs. Not a laughing stock at all though.
4) Puppy noises :D I think Sam says he's playing it up a bit. ie. intentionally not speaking properly, as it's endearing.

[Mr. Earle]

Would you like me to answer them?Sure, why not?

[chaseter]

20 bucks says Luca voted that it was bad:o

[Shivsguy616]

20 bucks says Luca voted that it was bad:o

I'll take that bet! I voted it was bad.

[Mr. Earle]

1) They talk to Sam after he dies...
2) Yes
3) No, not as imposing as Megs. Not a laughing stock at all though.
4) Puppy noises :D I think Sam says he's playing it up a bit. ie. intentionally not speaking properly, as it's endearing.Hehehe all these sound good to me. But i honestly expected the Fallen to be more imposing than Megs. Surely Megs will always be the main villain, the one that will always stand against the autobots, but when the Devil of the TF lore comes to Earth, i expect him to be more than a big skinny locust that is taken down easier than Megatron. Ahh... i really should stop whining. You guys probably hate me by now!

[Meus]

1) Do they talk? I hope they do.
2) Do they fight the Fallen?
3) Is the Fallen scary as Megs was in the first movie (he was scary to me at least) or is he a complete laughing stock?
4) Does Bumblebee ever talk like a normal robot? I think i enjoy his puppy noises... His response to Sam's mom when she calls him a "psychotic alien" is very funny.

1. One of them does when Sam is 'dead', and reveals that the Matrix of Leadership is not found but earned after Sam found the device in a tomb yet fizzled into dust as he touched it (causing him to have an emotional break down as he planned to use it to bring Optimus back to life). This Prime speaks of how they have watched him for a long time, and that this is and always has been his destiny, praising him for his natural talent for leadership.

2. There is a scene like a flash back where it shows a civil war between the two factions and The Fallen on top holding the Matrix. Whether they fight him or not is unknown but we are lead to presume they did because the following scene speaks of how they recaptured the Matrix and hid it from him.

3. I found him to be more scary, yea.

4. No he does not and let me tell you, I was hoping he would but in hindsight I'm grateful he doesn't. A lot of them speak and crack jokes throughout the movie - leaving Bumblebee as the way he is gives him irreplaceable charm that makes him easily the most likeable character in the film. There is a scene with Sam and this "girl" in the car with him, and let me just tell you, you will not laugh as hard for a long time.

[Mr. Earle]

1. One of them does when Sam is 'dead', and reveals that the Matrix of Leadership is not found but earned after Sam found the device in a tomb yet fizzled into dust as he touched it (causing him to have an emotional break down as he planned to use it to bring Optimus back to life). This Prime speaks of how they have watched him for a long time, and that this is and always has been his destiny, praising him for his natural talent for leadership.

2. There is a scene like a flash back where it shows a civil war between the two factions and The Fallen on top holding the Matrix. Whether they fight him or not is unknown but we are lead to presume they did because the following scene speaks of how they recaptured the Matrix and hid it from him.

3. I found him to be more scary, yea.

4. No he does not and let me tell you, I was hoping he would but in hindsight I'm grateful he doesn't. A lot of them speak and crack jokes throughout the movie - leaving Bumblebee as the way he is gives him irreplaceable charm that makes him easily the most likeable character in the film. There is a scene with Sam and this "girl" in the car with him, and let me just tell you, you will not laugh as hard for a long time.I find Bumblebee the most charming robot myself. The voice thing is clearly in his favor and its a nice touch from the producers.
Thanks man! I am so looking forward to seeing all this for myself!

[Meus]

By the way, the combat (yes, combat) scenes between the Robots is so so, so good. It only needed one more to make it a 4 hit combo for the crowd to get on their feet, but I was close to it anyway :hehe:

[Meus]

P.S. Bay re-used some of the scenes from the first movie.

[Shivsguy616]

By the way, the combat (yes, combat) scenes between the Robots is so so, so good. It only needed one more to make it a 4 hit combo for the crowd to get on their feet, but I was close to it anyway :hehe:

I'd have to disagree here. Too many closeups and fast pans.

[Project862006]

is this true

There are two robots in the film called Mudflap and Skids, and despite being red and green, respectively, they are voiced in a way that clearly designates them to be the “black” robots. Also, Skids has a gold front tooth (no, I’m serious) and both cannot read.

[Shivsguy616]

is this true

There are two robots in the film called Mudflap and Skids, and despite being red and green, respectively, they are voiced in a way that clearly designates them to be the “black” robots. Also, Skids has a gold front tooth (no, I’m serious) and both cannot read.

All true.

[Project862006]

Rofl

[Meus]

I'd have to disagree here. Too many closeups and fast pans.

The close-ups was a complaint in the first movie because you couldn't easily distinguish between some of them. That is no longer an issue in this film, the close-ups weren't that close, I'd say they covered 3/4 of their entire frame.

I think filming the fight sequences with a bit more distance could have possibly led to the same problem in confusing between the characters

[Meus]

is this true

There are two robots in the film called Mudflap and Skids, and despite being red and green, respectively, they are voiced in a way that clearly designates them to be the “black” robots. Also, Skids has a gold front tooth (no, I’m serious) and both cannot read.

They provide the laughter in the movie and I thought they were very enjoyable, and more believable than Mikaela!

[Shivsguy616]

The close-ups was a complaint in the first movie because you couldn't easily distinguish between some of them. That is no longer an issue in this film, the close-ups weren't that close, I'd say they covered 3/4 of their entire frame.

I think filming the fight sequences with a bit more distance could have possibly led to the same problem in confusing between the characters

Nothing to do with distinguishing characters, it was just bad filming.

[Mr. Earle]

So is Prime one of the Primes? A descendant? And if he is any of that, shouldnt Megatron be something similar? He is his brother and former co-ruler of Cybertron after all...

[Electrofarce]

Hehehe all these sound good to me. But i honestly expected the Fallen to be more imposing than Megs. Surely Megs will always be the main villain, the one that will always stand against the autobots, but when the Devil of the TF lore comes to Earth, i expect him to be more than a big skinny locust that is taken down easier than Megatron. Ahh... i really should stop whining. You guys probably hate me by now!

Trust me, your not as bad as luca.

[Mr. Earle]

Trust me, your not as bad as luca.I whine because i like the concept but want a better execution than what i hear from the guys that saw it.
Luca on the other hand just hates the whole thing and whines about everything that isnt G1.

[Electrofarce]

I whine because i like the concept but want a better execution than what i hear from the guys that saw it.
Luca on the other hand just hates the whole thing and whines about everything that isnt G1.

Very true.

[Conebone69]

Um, no, not really, but that's probably because I decided to accept it as pretty much a comedy. It isn't darker. The humor does detract from the "epicness" of it all.
Ugh, that is what I was afraid of. Im really starting to doubt this movie

[Prison Mike]

does Sam's parents know about the transformers? I take it they do from that clip that's posted on the front page...

[shigsy2003]

does Sam's parents know about the transformers? I take it they do from that clip that's posted on the front page...

Yup. They are slightly more involved this time around as well.

[S.A.A.D.]

Shivsguy616,you said you pretty much liked the movie but also said that you voted for the bad option on the poll. So which one is it?

[rashad]

To those who have seen it, what were the crowds like? Do you get a sense the WOM will be a little weaker or just as strong from the general audiences when compared to the 1st film? Be honest, I know this film has a fair share of flaws. You may love it, but are there instances where you can see people put off by it's length, crude humor, etc?

[shigsy2003]

To those who have seen it, what were the crowds like? Do you get a sense the WOM will be a little weaker or just as strong from the general audiences when compared to the 1st film? Be honest, I know this film has a fair share of flaws. You may love it, but are there instances where you can see people put off by it's length, crude humor, etc?

the audience I saw it with loved every minute of it. The general consensus was that is was awesome. Everyone laughed at the jokes, everyone loved the twins and all the guys loved Megan Fox and that bike and "strip" scene. In my opinion this film will make a lot more than the first one.

[antonydavanzo]

I thought it was OK. A standard Bay blockbuster movie. The Fallen was pretty lame IMO and i kinda thought the twins were annoying. I would have liked to see Ironhide and Rachet a bit more, in fact Rachet was hardly in it...did he even speak?
Overall a solid 3 out of 5 for me.

[Spade]

I don't wanna troll as I haven't seen the film yet, but after reading the plot recap on the Wiki, it does seem worse than the first at least as far as the plot goes.

[shigsy2003]

I don't wanna troll as I haven't seen the film yet, but after reading the plot recap on the Wiki, it does seem worse than the first at least as far as the plot goes.

The plot isn't really any different except this time you get the added benefit of seeing and hearing the Decepticons planning out the events instead of the humans/Autobots telling you what the Decepticons are planning. It worked far better.

[Aesop Rocks]

Questions:

Do we find out who saves Sam's parents?
Is Sam the only human to have a Transformer "come home" with them?

[Dr Lee]

Yes.... and no

[Lunar_Wolf]

To those who have seen it, what were the crowds like? Do you get a sense the WOM will be a little weaker or just as strong from the general audiences when compared to the 1st film? Be honest, I know this film has a fair share of flaws. You may love it, but are there instances where you can see people put off by it's length, crude humor, etc?
The two showings I went to were packed.
The close-ups was a complaint in the first movie because you couldn't easily distinguish between some of them. That is no longer an issue in this film, the close-ups weren't that close, I'd say they covered 3/4 of their entire frame.

I think filming the fight sequences with a bit more distance could have possibly led to the same problem in confusing between the characters
I agree. Way better this time around. You can see what's on pretty clear.

''I'll take your face''-Prime. Love that part.

[Shivsguy616]

Shivsguy616,you said you pretty much liked the movie but also said that you voted for the bad option on the poll. So which one is it?

Well, bad films can have their enjoyable bits. Overall I think this is a "bad" film. Transformers is something where the action has to be top notch, aswell as the acting and humour, just to tip the balance. The first film managed it. I don't think this one did.

Lol, on a side note, I just went on bebo. One of my friends had changed his saying to "transformers...what a let down".

That's the honest general concensus from around here. I assume the "awesome" votes are from transformers fans, as opposed to general viewers.

[Shivsguy616]

To those who have seen it, what were the crowds like? Do you get a sense the WOM will be a little weaker or just as strong from the general audiences when compared to the 1st film? Be honest, I know this film has a fair share of flaws. You may love it, but are there instances where you can see people put off by it's length, crude humor, etc?

Cinema was pretty full.
WOM will be worse this time round. Pretty much entirely negative here. But I don't think it will affect numbers too much. ROTF is a film that you'd want to go see yourself even if you were told it sucked. I mean, giant transforming robots does draw crowds.

[shigsy2003]

Cinema was pretty full.
WOM will be worse this time round. Pretty much entirely negative here. But I don't think it will affect numbers too much. ROTF is a film that you'd want to go see yourself even if you were told it sucked. I mean, giant transforming robots does draw crowds.

Okay I cave. What does WOM stand for. I always seem to miss the origins of these acronyms.

[matrix_ghost]

Word Of Mouth

[Shivsguy616]

Okay I cave. What does WOM stand for. I always seem to miss the origins of these acronyms.

I didn't know it when I saw it either :D I'm not a fan of these uncommon acronyms.

Word of mouth.

[shigsy2003]

I didn't know it when I saw it either :D I'm not a fan of these uncommon acronyms.

Word of mouth.

Ah thank you. Now I can delete my original post and pretend I knew all along...mwhahahaha....ahem...

[Shivsguy616]

Ah thank you. Now I can delete my original post and pretend I knew all along...mwhahahaha....ahem...

You have already been quoted! Shame shall follow you fore'er more. :P

[shigsy2003]

You have already been quoted! Shame shall follow you fore'er more. :P

Balls. Let us never speak of this again. We shall make a pact of silence much like Starscream and the Fallen did on Saturn...after all those infants had to come from somewhere right?

[Shivsguy616]

Balls. Let us never speak of this again. We shall make a pact of silence much like Starscream and the Fallen did on Saturn...after all those infants had to come from somewhere right?

Oooooooooh noooow I get it :D

[TheFuture]

Saw it last night:

Saw it last night and I thought it was okay. Firstly let me say that I wasn't expecting much of a plot, there's only so much substance you can get out of alien shape shifting giant robots from another planet. However, this film should have known it's limitation. They should have given a relatively short and snappy tour de force action film. But it ends up dragging for infuriatingly too long, I felt my self losing interest in the last hour.

That being said I thought it was quite decent. I enjoyed the addition of the twins (who were, you know, funny-unlike Shiahttp://static.boards.ie/vbulletin/images/custom/black/smilies/pacman.gif) and I enjoyed Bumblebee's role in this film. However a big disappointment in regards to the autobots and decepticons is that there is very little characterization. I find it hard to believe that Bay couldn't have cut one or two needless action sequences for the sake of giving the likes of Ironhide, Starscream and co. some real motivation.

The action was great in the first hour and a half. I thought Bay did a much more cleaner job than last time around catching the intracies of the Transformers. But then Bay oversaturated the action in the last hour with explosion after explosion. South Park have this guy down to perfection.

The acting, well, I feel uncomfortable criticising performances when the script gives them very little to do so that's all I will say about it.

All in all, this film would have been very good had they done a bit of trimming around the edges. I'd give it 2.5/5.

[Electrofarce]

Well, bad films can have their enjoyable bits. Overall I think this is a "bad" film. Transformers is something where the action has to be top notch, aswell as the acting and humour, just to tip the balance. The first film managed it. I don't think this one did.

Lol, on a side note, I just went on bebo. One of my friends had changed his saying to "transformers...what a let down".

That's the honest general concensus from around here. I assume the "awesome" votes are from transformers fans, as opposed to general viewers.

I would think that most general viewers would like the film much more than we would, the fans. It's because we complain about everything that's wrong with the film and all of it's weak points. I know most of my family (who has never payed much attention to Transformers), would walk out of the theatre and say it was great. It's because they're just looking for a mindless action movie (like most people who see summer movies). We, however, are looking for plot and things like that.

[Shivsguy616]

I would think that most general viewers would like the film much more than we would, the fans. It's because we complain about everything that's wrong with the film and all of it's weak points. I know most of my family (who has never payed much attention to Transformers), would walk out of the theatre and say it was great. It's because they're just looking for a mindless action movie (like most people who see summer movies). We, however, are looking for plot and things like that.

OK, I was just trying to rationalise it. The general audience at my cinema didn't seem to like it overall.

[Aesop Rocks]

Yes.... and no

Thanks man!

[Meus]

My mini-review

2, 000BC

The story begins with Optimus narrating explaining that a couple of years have passed and although they and the humans have joined forces in hunting down remaining Decepticons hiding around the world, the bitter rivalry between the two factions have lasted thousands of years. He goes on to explain that despite recent events, "our peoples have met long ago on this planet" and the scene opens with the silhouette of a group of primitive humans with the burning Sun in the background (note the significance of this). Optimus goes on to speak of the traits we share with humans such as their compassion and ability for empathy, but also their ability for hatred and war - and we see those primitive humans with ferocious face paint hunt a tiger in the desert. This opening scene goes on to introduce the identity behind the Fallen and his conflict with the Prime's and is quite similar to the introduction of Megatron stuck in the ice in the first movie.

Modern day Shanghai

Crowds of people are running and jumping on their bikes as they skid off on the wet streets (rain from previous night) of Shanghai, with a newsreporters voice in the background mentioning a chemical spill. Then we see hordes of military helicopters, Apaches, Blackhaws, .50 cal mounted humvey's, looks like half the American army is on Chinese soil raiding their alleys. But the camera pans to the arm of one of the soilers, a British flag, and it becomes apparent that this a co-operative world effort. That cooperation is personified with soilers in the back of Ironheart - the Autobots are partnered with the soldiers like their calvary. They've found a decepticon in China, a very large one. Optimus is carried out on C17 and gets air dropped to help but a chase in open public, resulting in the destruction in a couple of dozen cars and a few highways, destroys the cover up the government has put around the "alien presence' (although this secret is blown up later by the Fallen who goes on TV to make demands). This has ramifications for Nest Team (the joint Autobot-Human military alliance) and eventually breaks them up due to bureaucracy.

I'll carry on later, apologies for the bland sounding review but I feel like I have to find ways to capture the audacity behind the action scenes. Words do not do them justice.

[Meus]

Questions:

Do we find out who saves Sam's parents?
Is Sam the only human to have a Transformer "come home" with them?

Bumblebee takes them and drives them off to safety at Sam's request.

No, the Autobots roll with the military now.

[Meus]

To those who have seen it, what were the crowds like? Do you get a sense the WOM will be a little weaker or just as strong from the general audiences when compared to the 1st film? Be honest, I know this film has a fair share of flaws. You may love it, but are there instances where you can see people put off by it's length, crude humor, etc?

The cinema was packed full and the crowd really enjoyed themselves and, I think, I did as a result too. Anyone ever experience that? When an entire group around you enjoys a moment you do, your enjoyment is magnified? It's almost like a "shared experience". There was a lot of laughter, but I think most realised it was an action movie. Maybe the girls didn't enjoy it as much though - a few of them murmured of disapproval at the sexuality on over-drive, and one after told her partner "Well, I'm glad you liked it. It was a real boy's movie".

[Mantis Rapture]

I'll quote two seperate opinions i posted elsewhere. The first time i saw it i was very high and a little drunk and kinda enjoyed it -

I saw it last night.

It's definitly a massive, massive mess. It's definitly retarded beyond belief. It definitly has two of the most annoying characters brought to screen in recent years (care to guess who?!). It's everything bad about a Bay film turned up to 11.

But, somehow, i still enjoyed it. I guess i was in the right frame of mind for it, being high and a little drunk and all. But i doubt i'll ever watch it again - well maybe i'll cop the BluRay just to see the robot rucks in high definition.

But seriously guys - keep your expectations low. Turn your brain off. Have a few beers with your friends first or smoke a spliff. Go into this film knowing that it's going to be nothing but a very loud rollercoaster ride - completley and utterly shallow, terribly written, but with awesome special effects and a VERY awesome fight in the forest.

And Megan Fox's ass. Don't forget the ass.

The second time i was stone cold sober and realsied my opinions don't mean **** when i'm under the influence.

Actually got dragged to this film again yesterday by the gf. Was gonna see Red Cliff until she realised it was gonna be subtitled...she doesn't do subtitles. She liked the first one so talked me into seeing it again, the evil *****.

So, after a second, sober viewing...honestly, it's awful. I don't think i've ever hated two beings more than Skids and Mudflap.

Well, maybe Orci and Kurtzman.

They must've spent all of 3 days writing this thing. I'm not asking for Shakespeare, but GODDAMN the dialouge in this thing is actually embarrasing. You feel your brain getting dumber while your watching it. It's strange that the dialouge in Star Trek was probably the best part of it's script, what with the gaping plotholes and all, yet in this film it's just beyond terrible.

Anybody who actually likes good films and the ability to hear will have a hard time not face palming themselves constantly while watching this.

The film is an ugly, horrible girl who, after you have a few beers, looks kinda do-able. But the next day, when you've sobered up and you see her, you realise she's the worst human being you've ever met and that you probably need to get an aids test.

[CEREBRAL....]

Dang it! I think it's so unfare overseas got to see it before fans in the U.S. :woot:

[Vader4TL]

Come to the conclusion Bay either got really lucky on the first film or this new 3rd writer isn't worth his salt.

Should start by saying I wasn't a huge fan of the cartoon so G1 representations etc mean diddly squat to me, but I was a fan of the first film.

Things that bugged me:

Innapropriate humour. I'm not aiming this at the twins per se, but the film is crammed with moments that shouldn't of had cheeky or cheesey humour added. Some of it is forgivable, when involving Sam's parents for instance, a lot of it is cringe worthy, however.

Inconsistency. I'm sure i'll be laughed at for thinking the first film followed a standard line of acts, but this was messy compared to its predecessor. The first hour or so is fine, but as someone else stated, at the point Jetfire gets introduced, crap falls apart and it becomes a mess of dust, robots, and random fight scenes.

Too many robots! Again, this seems like a typical Hollywood response a la Jurassic Park - add more of what makes your movie 'your movie', and you'll be certified a sucessful sequel. Bzzt. Wrong. Going from the 11 or so robots in TF1 to probably 40 or so that have no development or explanation is not only frustating to follow, it's not necessary. It's like it's been done for the sake of doing it.

Autobots not getting used. I used the 'excuse' that the first film took a lot of time to get the characters up to speed to make you invested. You care about Bumbleebee and Prime especially, and Ratchet and Ironhide grow on you by the end battle. They are completely sidelined in favour of numbers. I was actually quite pissed off that every time I thought Ironhide showed up to do something cool, he either faded into the background or got slapped out of the way.

Sam 'dying'. Any injury sustained that makes your heart stop clearly is enough to keep you down. Getting up and waltzing over to Prime and hugging Mikaela just felt wrong. The dude has shredded clothing and a mangled face when he's laying on the ground, then after a brief out of body experience seems completely fine.

Jetfire. I just think the film could of done without him completely, or at least given him a bit of pride. It was almost like watching Grandpa Simpson fumble his way around a plot, and I didn't enjoy it.

People clapping at the end. Seriously? I didn't think we did that in England.

Things I enjoyed:

Bumblebee and Prime. Same great characters from the first film. One of the tear jerkers involved Prime being beaten in a fight, was a true 'fall of a hero' moment.

The parents. I think we all enjoyed them from the first film, and there's a little more balance to them here, actually being used. Again, another tear jerker moment occurs with them and Sam, which is probably why they're so prominent in my mind.

Megan Fox. :woot:


Overall - could of been way better, could of been a hell of a lot worse, though. It's not the action epic Transformers film that the first entry in the series would of lead you to believe it was building up too, but it's a competent 2nd chapter compared to the likes of Attack of the Clones, for instance. Overall i'd probably say it's worthy of a 7.

For me to rate it any higher they'd of really needed to trim down both sides of the conflict, remove the Fallen as a PHYSICAL enemy and leave it in the hands of Starscream (:heart:) vs Megatron, and stop with the camp humour at every possible scenario. I didn't mind the little toy car decepticon (Wheelie? Not sure it's ever mentioned) but as I stated by the end of the movie I was actually hoping the twins and Jetfire would be killed off asap. There's a lot of stuff happening just for the sake of it, which when you're pushing a 2.5 hour film and it has a lot of more important things it could cover, really starts to get on your nerves.

Next film? Politics. They touched on the idea of "what do the governments of the world have to say about alien robots kicking the crap out of each other on our planet?" and the politics involved in asylum for Autobots and invasion from Decepticons, but I'd really love to see them evicted and returning to stop something like Unicron in a combined force.

[TheFuture]

Dang it! I think it's so unfare overseas got to see it before fans in the U.S. :woot:

lol, consider it pay back for all the blockbusters the US have got ahead of everyone else, including The Dark Knight!!:cmad::oldrazz:

[Aesop Rocks]

How was Rainn Wilson??

[TheFuture]

How was Rainn Wilson??

There's not much to say, his role is little more than a cameo.

[Aesop Rocks]

Well yeah but was he using his "Dwight" character or something else? I would have LOVED to see Wilson as Dwight and Sam's teacher.

[Nirvana]

Wow, this is easily the ****tiest review poll since the Star Trek review thread. :down

[TheFuture]

Well yeah but was he using his "Dwight" character or something else? I would have LOVED to see Wilson as Dwight and Sam's teacher.

I don't really watch the US Office, but basically in Transformers he's a snobbish lecturer.

[Aesop Rocks]

Yep that's him. :D

[TheFuture]

Wow, this is easily the ****tiest review poll since the Star Trek review thread. :down

Ha ha yeah, I voted so-so, I believe that sums up the film nicely.

Yep that's him. :D

Heh.:woot: :up:

It's a film that by rights should be a good film, but is reduced to just an average film due to the length. The twin autobots were comical, the hardcore Transformers fans seem to hate them, but they easily got the biggest laughs from the audience in my cinema.

[Marvin]

People clapping at the end. Seriously? I didn't think we did that in England.




weird isn't it

for all the criticisms and flaws people just love throwing their hard earned money at these films

..and then clapping after their horrible experience is over

maybe bay brain washes them

[Avengers-Report]

For those of you that have seen the movie, I had two questions. Can you please describe these two scenes in detail as they are my favorite.

1) The confrontation between Starscream and Megatron. Where is this? Does it take place more than once? How is the dialog? Any other details.

2) When Optimus combines with Jetfire, how does it look? Does it look spectacular or is it too much? Is it awkward when he takes off the parts at the end?

[Mantis Rapture]

1) The confrontation between Starscream and Megatron. Where is this? Does it take place more than once? How is the dialog? Any other details.

Their squabbling relationship is actually peppered throughout the film once Megs is ressurected. It's very G1.

2) When Optimus combines with Jetfire, how does it look? Does it look spectacular or is it too much? Is it awkward when he takes off the parts at the end?[/quote]

It looks as good as Bays direction lets it look. As soon as he's 'upgraded' he's straight into a big messy Bay battle. You don't get a full body shot or anything.

[The Guard]

Well yeah but was he using his "Dwight" character or something else? I would have LOVED to see Wilson as Dwight and Sam's teacher.

I don't think Wilson HAS another character. He's hilarious, but he never struck me as a character actor.

[Aesop Rocks]

There's no wrong way to say Wilson is Dwight in this because Dwight is a God among men. :D :up:

[Avengers-Report]

1) The confrontation between Starscream and Megatron. Where is this? Does it take place more than once? How is the dialog? Any other details.

Their squabbling relationship is actually peppered throughout the film once Megs is ressurected. It's very G1.

2) When Optimus combines with Jetfire, how does it look? Does it look spectacular or is it too much? Is it awkward when he takes off the parts at the end?

It looks as good as Bays direction lets it look. As soon as he's 'upgraded' he's straight into a big messy Bay battle. You don't get a full body shot or anything.[/QUOTE]

There was a picture released of Megatron and Starscream fighting on top of a building. Can you describe this scene a little more?

[Mantis Rapture]

[/b]
There was a picture released of Megatron and Starscream fighting on top of a building. Can you describe this scene a little more?

It's just a little ***** fight, more a conversation than anything. Megs slaps Screamer about like his whore.

[the_ultimate_evil]

not knowing a great deal about transformers mythos i was more into he-man and ghostbusters growing up,i went in knowing the basic characters(optimus, megs, starscream soundwave) but not being able to know all(mudflap,skids etc)


I enjoyed it yes the plot was weak but honestly i wasn't expecting a compelling drama, i was glad the robots got better character development( i'm actually amazed a lot of critics are complaining that the humans play second fiddle in the film) the action was what i expect from bay film though thankfully it was a lot clearer for the most. i'm glad megs and starscream got a much better dynamic between each other

now i wasn't a fan of skids and mudflap but they did have there moments which made me smile, sadly there was a lot of bad dumb jokes as well and i actually:facepalm when i seen devastators nutsack

and the dr claw cameo was cool

overall i got what i expected from a micheal bay transformers flick, i can honestly see where the die hard fans will moan and complain and at some aspects and rightfully so, but i liked the film.

[Frank Noir]

Allright, so I've heard people say this is a dumb movie. I mean, not very intelligent. I've been wondering: is it much dumber than the first one? Cause I thought that wasn't too bad. Considering, you know, it's a movie about transforming robots.

[DarthDaveBanner]

Saw this yesterday, most enjoyable movie of the summer BY FAR.

The only thing letting it down is the ending - Prime vs the Fallen seemed like an afterthought.

[Shivsguy616]

weird isn't it

for all the criticisms and flaws people just love throwing their hard earned money at these films

..and then clapping after their horrible experience is over

maybe bay brain washes them


Lol, no clapping here in Ireland. It very rarely happens. Happened after the Hangover and I can't remember a specific time before that. After ROTF there was just a general air of bemusement.

[Shivsguy616]

Allright, so I've heard people say this is a dumb movie. I mean, not very intelligent. I've been wondering: is it much dumber than the first one? Cause I thought that wasn't too bad. Considering, you know, it's a movie about transforming robots.

Yeah. It is much dumber. The constructicon has balls for christ sake!

[Frank Noir]

Yeah. It is much dumber. The constructicon has balls for christ sake!

Yeah, I guess that answers my question. But the first movie had that kid shouting something about space rocks and "this is easily ten times cooler than Armageddon". He almost ruined the arrival to earth scene for me.

BTW, couldn't somebody have stopped Bay when he said "the Constructicon should have balls"? I guess everybody was laughing because they thought it was a joke. Imagine the people at ILM working on robot's balls.

[01lduff]

i saw the film the other day and i would say the only real con for me was there were too many robots it was hard to keep up with who was who sometimes and i feel they could have spent more time on the new bots and ironhide but i would give it a solid 9.5/10

[FreeRadical]

Saw it last night, it was okay but it seemed to drag out too long by the time they are in Egypt. I thought the pacing was kind off, with too much humour. I admit that I lol'ed at 'I'm under the decepticon's scrotum' and the taser/toilet gag

There wasn't any personality from the autobots except from jetfire, skids and mudflap.

BTW Isabel Lucas was hot with gratuitous panty shot included

[Tojo]

Allright, so I've heard people say this is a dumb movie. I mean, not very intelligent. I've been wondering: is it much dumber than the first one? Cause I thought that wasn't too bad. Considering, you know, it's a movie about transforming robots.

I don't know if it's 'dumber' than the first one, afterall it is Transformers, but the plot is horrifically messy, or rather should i say, is directed in a messy way. The reasons T1 was good imo, was that it was fun, good ceomedy, well paced, didn't take itself seriously, shia, Megan, the parents and Turturro and the Autobots.

The reasons ROTF was dreadful imo, was that it wasn't funny, was ridiculously long for this sort of movie, was messily plotted, paced and conceived, the action was difficult to proccess, the new autobots took over from the originals(bad mistake), and well, it was generally just very boring. The first one had me entertained and captivated. Going 'Bigger and better' backfired spectacularly, because Bay cannot go much bigger, and he sure can't go any better. Even in robot film.

[Toxin66]

ok...i've looked and looked and maybe i have missed it but my question is about something much smaller when compared to plot and who dies n such...

my question is did they include the classic transforming sound f/x from the cartoon? i know it was in the first movie right when Blackout started to transform then for the rest of the movie all we hear is metal clanking when they transform.....i hope it was added more in this one...

[SuperJediHero]

How did you guys seen it already?

[Shivsguy616]

How did you guys seen it already?

It came out on the 19th.

[Lunar_Wolf]

How did you guys seen it already?

Released in Europe first.

[Shivsguy616]

ok...i've looked and looked and maybe i have missed it but my question is about something much smaller when compared to plot and who dies n such...

my question is did they include the classic transforming sound f/x from the cartoon? i know it was in the first movie right when Blackout started to transform then for the rest of the movie all we hear is metal clanking when they transform.....i hope it was added more in this one...

Yup. I haven't watched much of the TF cartoons but when the ball bearings are transforming into that a really thin spiky decepticon, you do hear classic sound FX.

[Conebone69]

So overall this movie was a fluke? :csad:

That truely sucks cuz I was looking forward to a great movie :/

[SuperJediHero]

Released in Europe first.

WHY the Hell a movie made in US is released in other countries first? :huh::cmad:

[SuperJediHero]

So overall this movie was a fluke? :csad:

That truely sucks cuz I was looking forward to a great movie :/

Nah I would ONLY worry if I am looking for a Great plot, and Oscar-worthy acting, but I know not to with this movie!

Movie WILL Rock in Special Effects and Action!!!

[chaseter]

weird isn't it

for all the criticisms and flaws people just love throwing their hard earned money at these films

..and then clapping after their horrible experience is over

maybe bay brain washes them
Be careful up there, it would be a long fall down.

[The Joker]

I voted so so.

The action and special fx was superb, but the plot was wafer thin, and movie dragged in some parts. And I thought they went too over the top with some of the humour.

[Lunar_Wolf]

WHY the Hell a movie made in US is released in other countries first? :huh::cmad:

Don't know. My only guess is, to see how well it does in Europe to determine how well it will do in the US. So it will help decide how many screens to put it into, stuff like that.

[Meus]

Man, there is this scene with Optimus Prime using his 'canon' and you see the projectile launch in slow motion and I thought "that is so going to be .gif avatars on SHH"

[Bunker]

So overall this movie was a fluke? :csad:

That truely sucks cuz I was looking forward to a great movie :/
You're the one that gets let down by everything right? Even TDK?

[chaseter]

Yeah...he did.

[MeenieWK]

Possible Spoilers ahead





So Bigger, louder, more Epic than the first one ?
Yes

The Forest scene = AMAZING
Prime was great all the way through, unlike the first one.
Bumblebee was great all the way through (him crying certainly wasnt the worst thing in the movie)
Much prefered the human input in this one, Sam and mikaela worked much better, and the NEST involvement was better due to them actually needing the help of the autobots this time round. as opposed to defeating the Decepticons themselves.

Was it better than the first one?
NO

Right, ive been a defender of the first one since the beginning.... BUT

The Twins.... No thanks
Wheelie humping her leg... No thanks
Jetfire farting a parachute... No thanks.
Devastators Balls.... You know what, the first glimpse you get of them might have worked, and been humorous IF they had just left it at that, it prbably would have taken a couple of viewings to notice and i may have found it amusing.... but 30 seconds later, Bay has to point out LOOK THE ROBOT HAS BOLLOZ HAHAHA Tutturo is stood looking up AT THE ROBOT.... WHICH HAS BOLLOX.. hahaha


There are things that i liked the idea of , but where badly executed or just surplus to requirements.

The Fallen... Didnt ACTUALLY do anything
Devastator ... Wasted.
Soundwave ... Done very well, but could have had a bigger roll. (get rid of the fallen, Megatron to take his place and bring soundwave in to the main action) thanks.

The Story really was all over the place and very badly put together, again get rid of the fallen, and it may have worked better.

Im all for a TF movie with Humour etc.. but not rubbish sublevel toilet humour.

I need to see it again i think.

[MeenieWK]

ALSO

It Really did feel like the "story" was just the first thing they came up with in order to join together all the set pieces and "plot" ideas they had already decided to use.

And the Closest thing we got to anykind of Empire strikes back territory (as was suggested by Bay i believe? the middle of a trilogy /darker etc..) was the fallen and Megs in an Emperor and Vader Role, but that could have been from any of the Star wars movies.
There was no sense of loss (who didnt know prime was coming back... serial) or doom...
or any kind of Foreboding which could have led niceley into the rise of the underdogs and the salvation of the Autobots/Humans/Earth/Universe in the (inevitable) sequel.

A total shake up, of the order of events (mainly move prime dying to the end) and certain characters (Jetfire!!! and replace the Megatron/Fallen servant/master relationship with Megatron/Soundwave) could have improved it tenfold.

The Relationship with Megs and Starscream was better, and they could have used SS best line at the end (IF they had left it on a cliff hangar), starscream leaving Megs in Peril at the end, Megatron Cursing him for being a coward and him using the same speech about how "cowards are often the only ones who survive".

Also why didnt Leonard Nimoy do the voice for Jet fire... Seriously... what a waste.

[J.Howlett]

Well, considering Bay technically got the ball rolling by writing the treatment around the set pieces before the writers had a chance to get going, it shouldn't be that surprising. Not to mention, they only had about four weeks before the writer's strike to get this thing finished.

I mean, had Paramount not set the date of the sequel right after Transformers debuted, I'm sure Michael would've liked for this film to come out next summer, not this summer.

I haven't seen it yet but it doesn't really surprise me to hear reports that it doesn't mesh well. There was no way to make a real film of this size in less than two years, which is what Michael Bay did.

Had the writers had six to eight months instead of four weeks and then constant rewrites on the set, I'm sure the plot would've been handled better.

For me, it's a Michael Bay film. He's the only filmmaker I can't criticize for some reason. He just entertains me like no other and I just love the balls on this guy. He just doesn't care what people think of his films. He is who he is and I just admire that about him.

I'm sure I'll have major issues with it but it wouldn't stop me from loving it either. Again, it's a Michael Bay film and I worship at the alter of Michael Bay.

[MeenieWK]

Well, considering Bay technically got the ball rolling by writing the treatment around the set pieces before the writers had a chance to get going, it shouldn't be that surprising. Not to mention, they only had about four weeks before the writer's strike to get this thing finished.

I mean, had Paramount not set the date of the sequel right after Transformers debuted, I'm sure Michael would've liked for this film to come out next summer, not this summer.

I haven't seen it yet but it doesn't really surprise me to hear reports that it doesn't mesh well. There was no way to make a real film of this size in less than two years, which is what Michael Bay did.

Had the writers had six to eight months instead of four weeks and then constant rewrites on the set, I'm sure the plot would've been handled better.

For me, it's a Michael Bay film. He's the only filmmaker I can't criticize for some reason. He just entertains me like no other and I just love the balls on this guy. He just doesn't care what people think of his films. He is who he is and I just admire that about him.

I'm sure I'll have major issues with it but it wouldn't stop me from loving it either. Again, it's a Michael Bay film and I worship at the alter of Michael Bay.

I wasnt really blaming any one in particular.... merely saying as i see it from my first viewing.

There were very simple ways it could have been improved, and if the writers strike affected it then fair enough, but at some point there were bits approved and signed off which shouldnt have been IMO. and if it was rushed, someone (When spending that much money) should have thought, hang on a minute, lets hold back abit and REALLY do this thing justice.

I did enjoy it, and i have to say i didnt even notice the length of the movie, as alot of critics are saying its too long, i was entertained throughout.

[J.Howlett]

Meenie,

Problem is, Paramount looks at it like Hasbro as always, or back in the day, has looked at it...which is nothing more than a product to sell more toys.

Yes, there is a way to do a serious transformers film but I still contend that it would cost way too much money because of the CG.

But, in truth, if you watched the original Transformers show growing, Bay's version isn't that way off. I mean, having just rewatched Season 1, I was surprised at by how accurate the tone of the film is with the show. The difference is that I think Bay has brought an edge and clearly better visual representation of the robots than the show ever did.

Logic and great plots never were the heart of the show growing up...and neither are the films. That doesn't excuse it but that doesn't mean Bay is off in his representation.

Maybe, in the next 10 to 20 years, CG won't be as expensive and then a real Transformers film can be given to the fans.

Again, I'm probably going to love this thing no matter what but I'm not going to be surprised if technically it doesn't really work.

The first film doesn't really work...but it does work.

[MeenieWK]

Logic and great plots never were the heart of the show growing up...and neither are the films. That doesn't excuse it but that doesn't mean Bay is off in his representation.

Agreed, but the original Cartoons where essentially a couple of different plot lines recycled over 20minute episodes.

Slightly different to a feature length movie, but again, im not REALLY slagging off the movie,as i actually enjoyed it, BUT, i still believe it could have been better with no more cost involved, with just some minor tweaking.

[ColbyCo]

I voted good. While it has great action sequences and superb CGI, I think they should have waited until Summer 2010 so they could've fleshed the story out better. It felt frenetic and all over the place at times. Didn't flow well like the first film. I thought the comedy this time was a bit OTT in places and the twins didn't deserve the amount of screentime they got at the expense of Sideswipe, Arcee, Jolt, Ironhide and Ratchet. It almost felt like they weren't even in the film. Simmons was much better this time around and there was really no reason to have Leo tag along. I'll definitely go see it again, but I hate to say that the first film was better as I had high expectations for this one.

[Rocker22]

I'm slowly dying of anticipation.

[JediMasterConor]

Any during/after credits scene?

[Meus]

Man, there is this scene with Optimus Prime using his 'canon' and you see the projectile launch in slow motion and I thought "that is so going to be .gif avatars on SHH"

I'm slowly dying of anticipation.

:woot: *checks Rocker's avatar*

Just like clockwork

[Meus]

Any during/after credits scene?

Yeah, nothing interesting though. Just mainly Sam sitting back down in lecture after his "mental breakdown".

[protocida]

Cool, thanks!

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Wow, was simply my initial reaction to seeing this movie, it is easily the most epic comic book type movie ever but it is also a damn entertaining movie. Dont get the criticisms that it gets slow in the 2nd half as I couldnt peel my eyes away, but right from the off, this was a great follow up from the first movie.

Prime and Bumblebee kick so much ass in this movie its unbelievable as well, Prime especially was the ultimate bad-ass he is always portrayed as in the comics, and when he screams "I'll take you all on!" in the forest fight, I wanted to fight Meg's etc myself and then jump in the air joyously. All of the new bots get their chance to shine also, but my only major, major criticism of the movie was that we didnt get enough of Arcee, Ironhide, Ratchet, and especially for me, Jetfire, Soundwave and Sideswipe.

A little more character development on the new bots would have made this movie spot on, which brings me to the Twins, who seem to be stearing up quite the storm for, what to me, are unbelievably silly reasons. They are fun, likable to watch, and get their heroic moment also, my only gripe with them is they get a bit TOO much screen-time ahead of the others, when IMO they shouldnt have.

I also hear criticisms about the story, which I personally had absolutely no problem with, and found it quite clear. I also thought the development of Sam and Mikaela was well done, and Simmons was better fleshed out also. Leo was mostly useless, but did have some entertaining scene's, and Sam's parent were hilarious once more.

The Megatron/Starscream relationship was also spot on, it was a joy seeing them interact more in this movie, The Fallen was pretty cool as well, though could have been utilised a bit more. Wheelie I also found very fun to watch, would have liked his personality to be a bit more inline with the comics, but he was pretty well done overall, Jetfire was good when he was on screen, but I still would have preferred him to be the bad-ass turncoat he is in the comics, rather than an old, and mostly useless old man.

The final battle is a lot to take in, but God is it unbelievable, Bumblebee and Prime, as well as the twins, get extensive fight scene's that are pretty unbelievable. I wouldnt have minded a mention of Sentinal Prime or Nova Prime in the movie also.

Overall although, the movie is simply a blast to watch and I anyone who loved the first movie will have a ball with this, 9/10 for me.

[The Lizard]

Sometimes I hate it when I'm right... :csad:

The Lizard's review

"Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" is bigger, louder, longer and most notably dumber than the previous Transformers film. Certain action scenes are impressive, but the schizophrenic pacing and scatterbrained content of the movie just leaves you shaking your head when it's all over. Rating 5/10

I have to admit that back in 2007, I was suitably entertained by the action, spectacle and impressive CGI of the first "Transformers" movie. Perhaps I was still feeling the let-down from the dreary, disappointing "Spider-Man 3", so the frantic fun and stupidity of "Transformers" may have served to alleviate some of that. However, I found when I went back and watched "Transformers" on DVD, I was much less tolerant than I had been in the movie theater. I also sort of got the impression that producer Steven Spielberg might have reigned in hyperactive action director Michael Bay just a little bit in that first film.

Well Michael Bay was apparently cut loose to indulge all of his most bombastic and cliche action tricks in this sequel, but we once again find that "more" doesn't always equal "better". While there are a few show-stopping action scenes that make you say "whoa" in classic Ted "Theodore" Logan style, these seem too few and too brief in comparison with the more standard wall-of-bombs-and-explosions that Bay pummels you with for the majority of the rest of the film. A forest battle between Optimus Prime, Megatron and two other Decepticons is well done. Also impressive is scene where Optimus dons the flying battle armor of another Transformer to become a sort of "super-Optimus", although this scene seems cut short before it actually gets going, unfortunately. Bay seems to jump around frantically as he tries to make this film something for everyone that he envisions making up mainstream American moviegoers. This overblown multiple-personality disorder ultimately bogs down the film and you find yourself checking your watch several times before the end rolls around.

Everything that was wrong or annoying with the first film is back in force and multiplied by a factor of at least three here. Remember the dog-piss gag from the first film? Well now there are multiple dog-humping gags, one of which involves a small Transformer humping Megan Fox's leg. Hilarious! Remember Sam's annoying, shrill parents from the first film? Now they're back with even more screen time and more screechy, wacky sex humor that should be lame except that it's supposedly funny because parents are saying it! John Turturro is also back and even more thuddingly unfunny than before. Trust me when I say your eye muscles will be sore from rolling and your forehead will be red from constant slapping.

Even the robot scenes, which were the true drawing point of the first film, suffer some here from the focus on several bizarre and tiresome new Transformers. Particularly grating are the Autobot "Twins", Skids and Mudflap, who take their overblown stereotypical hip-hop thug personalities to levels that had some of the African-American viewers sitting around me saying "Um...what?" I had really hoped that the robot action and effects would serve to overpower the other weak and cliche parts of the movie, as with my initial viewing of the 2007 film, but it just didn't happen this time. While there are great-looking effects scenes, the truly memorable ones are too sparse. There is at least 30 more minutes in the movie than necessary, and the 2 1/2 hour running time becomes a chore in several places. "Just turn off your brain", "just enjoy the ride" the fans of Michael Bay often say in his defense. I can honestly do these things (I love 1970s Godzilla movies, for Pete's sake). But a movie needs to meet you halfway here, you know? "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" ultimately becomes it's own worst enemy as it just mindlessly piles on extra-large helpings of everything until you just don't care anymore.

[S.A.A.D.]

Sometimes I hate it when I'm right... :csad:

The Lizard's review

"Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" is bigger, louder, longer and most notably dumber than the previous Transformers film. Certain action scenes are impressive, but the schizophrenic pacing and scatterbrained content of the movie just leaves you shaking your head when it's all over. Rating 5/10

I have to admit that back in 2007, I was suitably entertained by the action, spectacle and impressive CGI of the first "Transformers" movie. Perhaps I was still feeling the let-down from the dreary, disappointing "Spider-Man 3", so the frantic fun and stupidity of "Transformers" may have served to alleviate some of that. However, I found when I went back and watched "Transformers" on DVD, I was much less tolerant than I had been in the movie theater. I also sort of got the impression that producer Steven Spielberg might have reigned in hyperactive action director Michael Bay just a little bit in that first film.

Well Michael Bay was apparently cut loose to indulge all of his most bombastic and cliche action tricks in this sequel, but we once again find that "more" doesn't always equal "better". While there are a few show-stopping action scenes that make you say "whoa" in classic Ted "Theodore" Logan style, these seem too few and too brief in comparison with the more standard wall-of-bombs-and-explosions that Bay pummels you with for the majority of the rest of the film. A forest battle between Optimus Prime, Megatron and two other Decepticons is well done. Also impressive is scene where Optimus dons the flying battle armor of another Transformer to become a sort of "super-Optimus", although this scene seems cut short before it actually gets going, unfortunately. Bay seems to jump around frantically as he tries to make this film something for everyone that he envisions making up mainstream American moviegoers. This overblown multiple-personality disorder ultimately bogs down the film and you find yourself checking your watch several times before the end rolls around.

Everything that was wrong or annoying with the first film is back in force and multiplied by a factor of at least three here. Remember the dog-piss gag from the first film? Well now there are multiple dog-humping gags, one of which involves a small Transformer humping Megan Fox's leg. Hilarious! Remember Sam's annoying, shrill parents from the first film? Now they're back with even more screen time and more screechy, wacky sex humor that should be lame except that it's supposedly funny because parents are saying it! John Turturro is also back and even more thuddingly unfunny than before. Trust me when I say your eye muscles will be sore from rolling and your forehead will be red from constant slapping.

Even the robot scenes, which were the true drawing point of the first film, suffer some here from the focus on several bizarre and tiresome new Transformers. Particularly grating are the Autobot "Twins", Skids and Mudflap, who take their overblown stereotypical hip-hop thug personalities to levels that had some of the African-American viewers sitting around me saying "Um...what?" I had really hoped that the robot action and effects would serve to overpower the other weak and cliche parts of the movie, as with my initial viewing of the 2007 film, but it just didn't happen this time. While there are great-looking effects scenes, the truly memorable ones are too sparse. There is at least 30 more minutes in the movie than necessary, and the 2 1/2 hour running time becomes a chore in several places. "Just turn off your brain", "just enjoy the ride" the fans of Michael Bay often say in his defense. I can honestly do these things (I love 1970s Godzilla movies, for Pete's sake). But a movie needs to meet you halfway here, you know? "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" ultimately becomes it's own worst enemy as it just mindlessly piles on extra-large helpings of everything until you just don't care anymore.

Well that sucks for you,but I am having a hard time believing you didn't like the movie that much while on the other hand giving it a passing mark with a 5/10. And also,what is with the leaving you shaking your head bit? Do you not understand that the things that bug you in the movie might not bug others because they won't care or might not care?

[chaseter]

Sorry Lizard but you hated this movie before you saw it so you got what you wanted. If you think you know that the movie will suck before you watch it, then it will suck.

[Vader4TL]

Well that sucks for you,but I am having a hard time believing you didn't like the movie that much while on the other hand giving it a passing mark with a 5/10. And also,what is with the leaving you shaking your head bit? Do you not understand that the things that bug you in the movie might not bug others because they won't care or might not care?

You can enjoy a film and know that is has flaws. I enjoyed TF1 tremendously but I was sure as hell aware that a lot of people would hate it.

I think 'schizophrenic' is the best way to describe the film. It clearly doesn't know what it's trying to be. There are some truly well played scenes between Sam and BB for example that make it a very seriously toned emotional film, only for 3 minutes later to be treated to racist pot shots from the Twins for a cheap laugh.

I'm going to see it again on Wednesday and see if I can concentrate a little more on the plot and less on the CGI and see where that takes me. Until then i'm afraid I have to side with the folk who are calling it a let down. It's not terrible, it's just not very good.

[S.A.A.D.]

You can enjoy a film and know that is has flaws. I enjoyed TF1 tremendously but I was sure as hell aware that a lot of people would hate it.

I think 'schizophrenic' is the best way to describe the film. It clearly doesn't know what it's trying to be. There are some truly well played scenes between Sam and BB for example that make it a very seriously toned emotional film, only for 3 minutes later to be treated to racist pot shots from the Twins for a cheap laugh.

I'm going to see it again on Wednesday and see if I can concentrate a little more on the plot and less on the CGI and see where that takes me. Until then i'm afraid I have to side with the folk who are calling it a let down. It's not terrible, it's just not very good.

Sure you can enjoy a movie if it has flaws,but the problem I see is that he sounds like he hated the movie with a passion despite the 5/10 he gave it,and as chaseter pointed out,he wanted to not like the movie before seeing it and reviewing it. It's like he was hoping it was going to be bad and thought nothing but negative thoughts,he wanted to just prove a point to himself and came off as desperate about it.

[stlblues84]

Saw it tonight and thought it was great. It it was it's supposed to be. A blockbuster with big explosions, cheap jokes, and hot women.

I found the plot to be eerily similar to the 1986 cartoon film, which, for big fans of the series, will thoroughly enjoy.

Will it win oscars other than for special effects, of course not. But that's not the intent of a movie released on 6/24, that's saved for November films.

The only thing I found that stuck out very obviously was that the little tonka truck guy that was humping Megan Fox's leg just completely disappeared at the end of the movie. That was a little weird, but very small problem.

[hitmanyr2k]

Sure you can enjoy a movie if it has flaws,but the problem I see is that he sounds like he hated the movie with a passion despite the 5/10 he gave it,and as chaseter pointed out,he wanted to not like the movie before seeing it and reviewing it. It's like he was hoping it was going to be bad and thought nothing but negative thoughts,he wanted to just prove a point to himself and came off as desperate about it.

He's not coming off half as desperate as the people wanting to love this movie. A movie many of you haven't even SEEN yet but feel the need to defend as if your lives depend on it. Now you're mind-reading a guy to justify why he didn't like the film. Christ :funny:

People go into films with pre-conceived notions all the time (some positive, some negative) and if you say you don't I say bullsh**. If the film is decent enough anyone can change their mind and like it.

[chaseter]

Lizard thought the film would be bad before he saw it. Look at his posts. If you go looking for flaws you will find them. I have no expectations for this film and I realize that this film is nothing more than a summer popcorn flick with flashy action, comedy, and hot women.

I judge a film when I see it.

[Asgard]

I read some of the criticism of the movie is on the pacing and plot. I also read that the writers had only 4 weeks to write the script because of the writer's strike.

If true, then I hope that for the next movie things wont be so rushed.

[chaseter]

The writers that did this won't be coming back I believe.

[TheVileOne]

This is probably one of the worst movies I've ever seen. And I don't want to be the lone hater, but its just bad. The movie was two and a half hours, but it felt like 5. It felt like it went on forever with the same stuff happening over and over again.

The transformers themselves feel almost inconsequential to the movie. Many of them virtually have no character or almost NOTHING at all to do besides let out some cool one liners before receding back into the background.

Bumblebee for some reason can't talk again.

The scenes with the Witwicky's are beyond awful and they go on forever. There's a whole scene where they chase down Mrs. Witwicky who goes on a pot brownie bender. Seriously.

Michael Bay seems to have this sick homo-erotic/homophobic obsession that he's working out here. The Transformers are constantly defecating, farting, urinating, or vomiting or leaking some kind of "fluids" for no particular reason. Devastator has iron wrecking balls that are literally his testicles so John Tuturro can say he's under the enemy's scrotum.

[Mantis Rapture]

Everything that was wrong or annoying with the first film is back in force and multiplied by a factor of at least three here.

Quoted for truth.

The forest fight (with maybe the interrogation scene just before, now i think about it) and the opening battle are the only parts that better the first film. Everything else is just the first film turned up to 11 - there's nothing better about it, there's just more of it - especially retardedness.

And the Twins...uuurrgghh...horrible, horrible characters.

Bay say's he put them in there so kids had something they could relate too.

Kids don't need something they can 'relate' too in a film. Kids want cool stuff that they can aspire too. When kids are 'playing' Transformers in the school yard, none of them are gonna wanna be Skids or Mudflap, they'll wanna be the cool motheruckers like Prime, Megs, even BB.

When i was a kid, there was nothing i could relate too in Alex Murphy, Alan "Dutch" Schaefer, Kyle Reese, Mr Lee - but i wanted to 'be' them when me and my friends were playing Robocop or Enter the Dragon (always a dangerous game to play) because they were all cool as hell.

Kids like cool people - not retards.

[TheVileOne]

The twins could've been cool characters, but they aren't ****ing characters.

They are just black stereotypes. They don't do anything and they are rarely if ever acknowledged by the human characters and don't even really interact with the human characters.

[american psycho]

i just saw the movie last night and i have a few questions.

1. the transformers have already been to earth, with the fallen having tried to destroy the sun thousands of years ago. megatron went looking for the allspark and found it on earth thousands of years ago. how did the fallen not find the allspark then? how did the allspark have the map to the matrix of leadership if it had not been lost?

2. why is it every time there is a fight, the autobots disappear. sam, mikaela and his room mate are driving bumblebee with optimus, then optimus and sam are in the woods by themselves, and optimus dies.

3. how would the primes have spoken to sam if he hadn't temporarily died?

[shigsy2003]

i just saw the movie last night and i have a few questions.

1. the transformers have already been to earth, with the fallen having tried to destroy the sun thousands of years ago. megatron went looking for the allspark and found it on earth thousands of years ago. how did the fallen not find the allspark then? how did the allspark have the map to the matrix of leadership if it had not been lost?

2. why is it every time there is a fight, the autobots disappear. sam, mikaela and his room mate are driving bumblebee with optimus, then optimus and sam are in the woods by themselves, and optimus dies.

3. how would the primes have spoken to sam if he hadn't temporarily died?

1)That whole Fallen saga occured many many years before Megatron's era.

2) Bumblebee takes Leo and Mikala and re-groups with the other Autobots on their way to help. Prime takes Sam as he knows the Decepticons will follow him if Sam is with him. Prime obviously knowing Sam is safer in his hands than in BB's.

3)Who knows. Hence why he "died".

[american psycho]

2) Bumblebee takes Leo and Mikala and re-groups with the other Autobots on their way to help. Prime takes Sam as he knows the Decepticons will follow him if Sam is with him. Prime obviously knowing Sam is safer in his hands than in BB's.

so why couldn't optimus just follow bumblebee instead of splitting up?

[shigsy2003]

2) Bumblebee takes Leo and Mikala and re-groups with the other Autobots on their way to help. Prime takes Sam as he knows the Decepticons will follow him if Sam is with him. Prime obviously knowing Sam is safer in his hands than in BB's.

so why couldn't optimus just follow bumblebee instead of splitting up?

For the protection of his Autobots. Prime will always put himself in the firing line as opposed to any of his soldiers. Look at TF1; he was the only one to go after Bonecrusher...he didn't order Ironhide or Ratchet to attack, he did it himself because A) he knows how nails he is and B) he will always put himself at risk for the greater good. (Hell he was willing to have Sam kill him).

[Comicfan]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1189/graphic11024.jpg

[Jake Cassidy]

Kids like cool people - not retards.

Do you have to use 'retard' as an insult all the time? It's disgusting.

[Jake Cassidy]

Sometimes I hate it when I'm right... :csad:

You're not right. It's just an opinion. Opinions are neither right nor wrong.

Unless you really as arrogant as I've always thought you were. :oldrazz:

[Theweepeople]

This is probably one of the worst movies I've ever seen. And I don't want to be the lone hater, but its just bad. The movie was two and a half hours, but it felt like 5. It felt like it went on forever with the same stuff happening over and over again.

The transformers themselves feel almost inconsequential to the movie. Many of them virtually have no character or almost NOTHING at all to do besides let out some cool one liners before receding back into the background.

Bumblebee for some reason can't talk again.

The scenes with the Witwicky's are beyond awful and they go on forever. There's a whole scene where they chase down Mrs. Witwicky who goes on a pot brownie bender. Seriously.

Michael Bay seems to have this sick homo-erotic/homophobic obsession that he's working out here. The Transformers are constantly defecating, farting, urinating, or vomiting or leaking some kind of "fluids" for no particular reason. Devastator has iron wrecking balls that are literally his testicles so John Tuturro can say he's under the enemy's scrotum.


I'm hoping this film won't have the same effect Pirates 3 had on me. That was one of the most annoying movies I've ever seen. It had way too much humor. The plot was a complete mess and the movie was an hour and a half too long. I was looking at my watch every 5 minutes after the 2 hour mark. The only parts of Pirates 3 that were enjoyable were the beginning and end. Everything in between was so boring I almost fell asleep in the theater while watching that turd.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm hoping this film won't have the same effect Pirates 3 had on me. That was one of the most annoying movies I've ever seen. It had way too much humor. The plot was a complete mess and the movie was an hour and a half too long. I was looking at my watch every 5 minutes after the 2 hour mark. The only parts of Pirates 3 that were enjoyable were the beginning and end. Everything in between was so boring I almost fell asleep in the theater while watching that turd.

I personally found TF 2 to be entertaining all the way through, didnt think it slowed down at all, just sometimes character scene's just replaced action ones.

[Mantis Rapture]

Do you have to use 'retard' as an insult all the time? It's disgusting.

Thanks for the first good laugh of my (birth)day!

[TheVileOne]

This was more like Spider-man 3 and Pirates 3 really. Not in a good way.

People shouldn't complain about Spider-man 3 anymore if they like Transformers 2.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I happen to like Spiderman 3 and Transformers 2, cant people just enjoy themselves at the movies anymore?

[WarBlade]

Sure they can. It's just that many people find movies with more substance over spectacle to be a more enjoyable thing to see.

[The Lizard]

Well that sucks for you,but I am having a hard time believing you didn't like the movie that much while on the other hand giving it a passing mark with a 5/10.

Um...5 out of 10 is a 50%. How is that a passing mark? Even on Rottentomatoes, a film has to have 60% to get a "fresh" rating.


And also,what is with the leaving you shaking your head bit? Do you not understand that the things that bug you in the movie might not bug others because they won't care or might not care?

Oh, I'm sure a lot of people aren't going to care. They can state that fact in their reviews of the movie.

But here's another example of how this movie was schizophrenic and all over the place: The scenes of the Decepticon protoforms crashing down on the cities and sinking the aircraft carrier were quite heavy. There were lots of dead soldiers shown floating in the water as the ship went down (just like "Pearl Harbor" meets "Armageddon", but whatever). Someone even mentions 9/11 as the military reacts to this catastrophic loss of life.
BUT -- then we shortly go back to the Twins doing their schtick and Wheelie humping Mikaela's leg for cheap laughs. Bay was all over the place in this movie in a way that he wasn't in the first movie. I found it jarring and not well-structured at all.

[The Lizard]

Sorry Lizard but you hated this movie before you saw it so you got what you wanted. If you think you know that the movie will suck before you watch it, then it will suck.

Not true at all. I went into Terminator: Salvation convinced it would suck, and I ended up liking it better than I expected. I gave it a 7/10.

I also went to see Star Trek expecting it to be totally perfect, like a 10/10, but there were a few things I didn't like, so I gave it an 8/10.

So to sum up, Star Trek > Terminator:Salvation > Transformers:ROTF

You're not right. It's just an opinion. Opinions are neither right nor wrong.

Unless you really as arrogant as I've always thought you were. :oldrazz:

Everything that people type on these boards is "their opinion". Should we have to type "IMO" after every sentence?

LOL @ the butthurt Bay fans coming after me for stating my opinion. It's just a review guys - get over it.

[marvelman2006]

^I happen to like Spiderman 3 and Transformers 2, cant people just enjoy themselves at the movies anymore?


no, but i liked spiderman 3 alot too. granted it wasnt the greatest but it was good fun to see spiderman do his thing. I tend to think if you sit there and analyze a movie so much then you will never like it. Sometimes i think people hype movies up in there head so much that when there disappointed they spend the remaining time trying to convince people to feel the way they do so there not alone.

[TheVileOne]

I liked Spider-man 3, it was OK.

This movie though . . . this freaking movie just goes off the rails and crashes.

[TheVileOne]

I liked Spider-man 3, it was OK.

This movie though . . . this freaking movie just goes off the rails and crashes.

[CelticPredator]

Question.....is the Fallen cool in the movie?

Probably want an answer from someone who didnt completely hate the movie....:D

[chaseter]

This was more like Spider-man 3 and Pirates 3 really. Not in a good way.

People shouldn't complain about Spider-man 3 anymore if they like Transformers 2.
The Spider-Man franchise was a lot better franchise than this. SM2 was amazing. So, SM3 was a massive letdown. It was just a blah film with bad sfx, a contrived plot, and cheesy dialogue...'dig on thissssssss'. This franchise is and only is a big boom, hot lady, fighting robot franchise. If you expect different from this film then you will be disappointed. But, that is your own fault for thinking you will get something different. That is like going into a bike store and asking to buy a car and then leaving mad that you didn't get to look at cars.

[The Lizard]

Question.....is the Fallen cool in the movie?

Probably want an answer from someone who didnt completely hate the movie....:D

Actually, the Fallen is pretty cool. He does a really awesome magnetic-attack thing while on top of the pyramid. Unfortunately, like most of the better-conceived elements in the movie, the Fallen really isn't given the chance to do enough because there's so much other pointless stuff going on at the same time. :csad:

[CelticPredator]

I see......if you were into toys, would you fork down 20 bucks for an out of scale one?

[The Lizard]

From what I've seen, the Fallen toy does look pretty good. I'd probably get it, along with Sideways, Breakaway and leader-class Optimus.

[CelticPredator]

Leader Prime is amazing.

But damn....I dunno.....I guess i'll wait till tonight to decide.

[Avengers-Report]

Movie is tonight, have midnight imax tickets. Will make sure to review it, but now I have really really low expectations after reading how many people just hated it. Ahh man I thought this movie was going to be solid. Guess not.

[TheVileOne]

The Spider-Man franchise was a lot better franchise than this. SM2 was amazing. So, SM3 was a massive letdown. It was just a blah film with bad sfx, a contrived plot, and cheesy dialogue...'dig on thissssssss'. This franchise is and only is a big boom, hot lady, fighting robot franchise. If you expect different from this film then you will be disappointed. But, that is your own fault for thinking you will get something different. That is like going into a bike store and asking to buy a car and then leaving mad that you didn't get to look at cars.

I'm sort of getting sick of this ****. Basically you are saying the Transformers movie franchise is **** and that's why you should like it and not hold it to any sort of standard.

[Conebone69]

So far this movie seems like a big pile of jumbled up action and explosions and crappy plot and character development. Am I right?

[Spade]

I've been tired of the "don't expect much" argument forever, and I don't know why people bother with it. If I'm gonna sit for 2 hours of my life watching a film for about $10 out of my pocket and I'm not impressed no matter what franchise the film's from, then I'm not impressed. It should be the filmmaker's responsibility to make a good film that I won't forget a year from now, not my added obligation to lower my standards and enjoy a SFX fest that probably won't even look that good by the turn of the next decade.

[Lone]

I just got back from watching this. Can't be bothered to write a proper review but I'm gonna list down my likes and dislikes:

Likes

The action
Badass Prime that was briefly seen in the freeway fight from the first movie is the Prime we get in this one
Megs and Starscream interaction
Lots of eyecandy
The score


Dislikes

Starscream's lack of insubordination and arrogance
With the exception of Prime, all the other robots felt like background characters and cameos
Soundwave without his signature voice is an epic fail
They should've used the REAL Autobot twins
Bumblebee STILL being mute
Bay still loves those tight shots
The Fallen is an old fart on life support who gets taken down too damn easily
Devastator posed no real threat and went by unnoticed by just about everyone else other than Simmons, Leo and the twins
The whole "why won't you share your weapons technology" bit seems pointless since Transformers are packing weapons that fire bullets/projectiles
Vulnerability to human weaponry


That's all that I can think of for now. I left this movie feeling the same way I did after watching Wolverine...and that is not a compliment.

I honestly feel that the first movie was better. The human to giant robot screentime ratio felt somewhat even in that movie. This movie showed great promise but ended up being a disappointment.

If you're hoping to watch a Transformers movie where the robots are the main stars, this one isn't it.

[chaseter]

I'm sort of getting sick of this ****. Basically you are saying the Transformers movie franchise is **** and that's why you should like it and not hold it to any sort of standard.
What standard exists that encompasses giant fighting robots and explosions? That is why most critics are idiots, because they grade every movie using the same criteria. Romantic comedies are suppose to be different than dramas. Psychological thrillers are different than slasher flicks. The list goes on and on. I know this film won't be amazing or a masterpiece of cinema...it isn't suppose to be.

SM3 was a letdown because the bar had been risen in that franchise and in the genre of superhero movies. Transformers 1 was a mess filled with cliches, contrived plot devices, cheesy dialogue, and corny jokes. But, most people were in awe because of the giant fighting robots and action. Guess what I expect this movie to have? It will have all the same problems but I am not going to throw a ***** fit because I thought it would rival TDK:whatever:

[J.Howlett]

Chibi,

You know, no one's forcing you to see this. You've got a pretty good consensus on what the film is. Saving the ten bucks is up to you.

[J.Howlett]

Chibi,

You know, no one's forcing you to see this. You've got a pretty good consensus on what the film is. Saving the ten bucks is up to you.

[Spade]

I give films their fair shot if I'm interested in them. I didn't quote anyone in particular because that was just an "in general" statement. I'm just getting tired of the same go-to answer being bantered over and over again on this one thread, let alone the whole board, whenever there's criticism of this franchise.

[chaseter]

I've been tired of the "don't expect much" argument forever, and I don't know why people bother with it. If I'm gonna sit for 2 hours of my life watching a film for about $10 out of my pocket and I'm not impressed no matter what franchise the film's from, then I'm not impressed. It should be the filmmaker's responsibility to make a good film that I won't forget a year from now, not my added obligation to lower my standards and enjoy a SFX fest that probably won't even look that good by the turn of the next decade.
Save your money and don't see it then and then save your time by not having to come on here and complain about not liking it:cwink:

This film is the same formula as the first but as any sequel, it has more of everything from the first.

[Mr. Earle]

With the exception of Prime, all the other robots felt like background characters and cameosGod ****ing damn it!
The Fallen is an old fart on life support who gets taken down too damn easily
Devastator posed no real threat and went by unnoticed by just about everyone else other than Simmons, Leo and the twins
So Bay's two biggest and strongest transformers were underused. He wanted to put Devastator there to up the ante from the first film and then you say he barely used him. And then its the Fallen. I expected both Autobots and Decepticons to join forces against him (him being a god and all that) and he gets put down easily? Jesus! Is Bay retarded or something?

[chaseter]

I give films their fair shot if I'm interested in them. I didn't quote anyone in particular because that was just an "in general" statement. I'm just getting tired of the same go-to answer being bantered over and over again on this one thread, let alone the whole board, whenever there's criticism of this franchise.
The criticisms are warranted definitely. But, they are the exact same criticisms as the first film. If you honestly think Bay directing with the exact same writers are going to make a truly amazing film experience with an amazing plot and characters then sorry you set yourself up for letdown.

This has sex jokes! Shocker since the first film did too. This has bad dialogue! Ditto. This has racism! So did the first. This has a skimpy/contrived plot! You get the point................

[chaseter]

God ****ing damn it!
So Bay's two biggest and strongest transformers were underused. He wanted to put Devastator there to up the ante from the first film and then you say he barely used him. And then its the Fallen. I expected both Autobots and Decepticons to join forces against him and he gets put down easily? Jesus? Is Bay retarded or something?
That is what Unicron is for:cwink:

[Mr. Earle]

That is what Unicron is for:cwink:Yeah, so he can be put down with a knife? Give me a break. Bay introduced one of the most destructive transformers and one of their gods and he barely used them. Why?

[CelticPredator]

Money.

[chaseter]

Yeah, so he can be put down with a knife? Give me a break. Bay introduced one of the most destructive transformers and one of their gods and he barely used them. Why?
Watch the movie first. Then ask Mr. Bay. There is a reason why the Decepticons didn't fight him.

[TheVileOne]

What standard exists that encompasses giant fighting robots and explosions? That is why most critics are idiots, because they grade every movie using the same criteria. Romantic comedies are suppose to be different than dramas. Psychological thrillers are different than slasher flicks. The list goes on and on. I know this film won't be amazing or a masterpiece of cinema...it isn't suppose to be.

This is stupid. You can apply that same, flawed, stupid logic to any movie.

You are only calling critics idiots because they didn't like your pet movie.

This isn't supposed to be a masterpiece? Could've fooled me the way some of the fans treat these movies and worship at the altar of Michael Bay. Also the way people defend this ****.

SM3 was a letdown because the bar had been risen in that franchise and in the genre of superhero movies. Transformers 1 was a mess filled with cliches, contrived plot devices, cheesy dialogue, and corny jokes. But, most people were in awe because of the giant fighting robots and action. Guess what I expect this movie to have? It will have all the same problems but I am not going to throw a ***** fit because I thought it would rival TDK:whatever:

I wasn't expecting it to rival The Dark Knight either Chaseter. AND IT STILL SUCKED.

Is it too much to ****ing ask for the Autobots and Decepticons to have some actual characterization and be sort of relevant to what occurs in the movie?

[chaseter]

What did you give the first movie? This isn't my pet movie HAHAHAHA. I know this will not be the best movie of the summer by far. Harry Potter is my pet movie:o

[Mr. Earle]

Money.He could have saved some money from some other scene and used it on those two. He wanted to up the ante and introduced more powerful transformers. You'd think that someone like Bay would devote half the film on Devastator and Fallen destroying big cities and squashing Autobots with their feet.