View Full Version : Batman should die in the next film!
dru-zod2501
06-20-2009, 03:11 AM
I say that in all seriousness. I think if Bruce dies in the 3rd movie it would be the perfect cap to arguably the best comic book movie series to date.
Fans have been saying since Begins, The hyper-realism of Nolanverse leaves little room to explore the other, more far-out elements of the Bat mythos, that and Nolan himself has said several times there are characters and elements that have no place in his world and he never wants to use them.
I say fine, let someone else come in and do their own Batman their own way. But after Nolan leaves don't do us the disservice of making a "pseudo-sequel" a la Superman Returns & Batman Forever where no one but the director knows for sure whether it follows anything that came before. It's a ******** gimmick that causes more problems than it solves.
since this is kind of an elseworlds Batman story, there's no reason to keep it open ended like other stories. Unlike the previous series, Nolan's movies form a much more cohesive narrative, and that narrative needs a true, definitive ending in order to feel complete. How would any of you feel if they changed the ending of "Return of The King" in the hopes of milking a 4th LoTR movie? The height of absurdity, right?
It's almost a sure bet that Joker won't be back without Heath Ledger (as it should be), but the ambiguity of Two-Face's fate means he can be brought back without much difficulty. This serves several purposes:
1: Gordon & Batman's worst fears are realized, the myth of Harvey Dent is shattered as Gotham is forced to face the ugly truth and uglier face of its once revered savior
2: It means Batman can be vindicated, at least in the eyes of the public, they might finally realize that Bruce really was the hero they deserved AND needed all along.
3: C'mon... Two-Face is too good a villain not to give him a chance to wreak major havoc:word:
Two-Face should go for broke, he should be hell-bent on burning Gotham to the ground (or at least half of it). During the course of the action something will happen, and Batman has no choice but to rush headlong into a situation he knows he probably won't survive, but he never wavers even for a moment, as long as he can draw a breath Gotham will survive. Two-Face is finally defeated and dies conclusively as Bruce dies as well.
He lived as a warrior, let him die a warrior's death. Alfred remains to tell the story and set the records straight. In the end Bruce Wayne did just what he said he'd do back in "Begins," he returned long enough to show his people their city didn't belong to the criminals and the corrupt.
You could tell me I'm crazy, but I know I'm not. How ballsy would that be, if Nolan had the guts to kill off the hero in the end? And not just any hero, THE GODDAMN BATMAN!
You know, I'm not gonna lie. I swear I was thinking about something like this a while ago. I kept thinking about how amazing it would be if Nolan did something like this, like in the 3rd movie what if Batman sacrifices himself to save a ton of people in the end, and it turns into a "The Legend Of The Dark Knight" type of ending (or movie). I don't think this idea is too crazy at all. It'd be a ballsy yet groundbreaking move in the cbm genre, it's not like he hasn't already broke some ground with his first 2 Batman movies :brucebat:
dru-zod2501
06-20-2009, 04:47 AM
then for ****s n giggles, the fat guys in hockey pads take to the streets once again in memory of their fallen hero:oldrazz::grin:
I think Alfred will die in the 3rd movie, so that Bruce can be completely lost in his monster of his.
kedrell
06-20-2009, 06:40 AM
I'd be on board with that. They're never going to stop making Batman films, no matter who's directing. And Nolan/Bale were never gonna stick around forever. The future awaits.
Gexmeister
06-20-2009, 08:40 AM
At first, it sounds crazy, but then it kinda makes sense. It'd fit thematically.
Besides, as kedrell said, there are always gonna be more Batman-movies, so it's not like they'd be killing him off permanently, just for the Nolan series. That'd also be a good way to make sure that this particular series does not continue. We all know what would happen otherwise, the movies after the third would inevitably start veering more into the fantastical.
Bathead
06-20-2009, 09:05 AM
No. It's not "ballsy" or groundbreaking, it's a stupid idea all the way around.
dru-zod2501
06-20-2009, 02:30 PM
No. It's not "ballsy" or groundbreaking, it's a stupid idea all the way around.
the all around stupid idea would be Batman 4 and on, rehashing the same used mobster plots with a nutjob baddie thrown in the mix.
This is something that hasn't been covered in movies in any real detail, the end of the hero's career. If anyone can do it, I'm sure Nolan could do it and do it well
El Payaso
06-20-2009, 02:37 PM
In the last scene Scarecrow is all happy that Batman died and he goes out to take over Gotham... untill he finds a girl with a tazer.
BatFan88
06-20-2009, 02:42 PM
I don't think batman most die.than they are going to far,much fans will really be mad i think.
El Payaso
06-20-2009, 02:44 PM
I don't think batman most die.than they are going to far,much fans will really be mad i think.
That alone is more than enough reason to do it. :joker:
AnorexicBatman
06-20-2009, 02:56 PM
I will personally place Nolan and Bale in two separate warehouses in Chicago packed with explosives and rigged to blow and give the Warner exec the chance to choose which one he wants to save ...
If they dare to kill Bruce, Alfred, Fox or Gordon....
Two-Face
06-20-2009, 02:57 PM
I say that in all seriousness. I think if Bruce dies in the 3rd movie it would be the perfect cap to arguably the best comic book movie series to date.
Fans have been saying since Begins, The hyper-realism of Nolanverse leaves little room to explore the other, more far-out elements of the Bat mythos, that and Nolan himself has said several times there are characters and elements that have no place in his world and he never wants to use them.
I say fine, let someone else come in and do their own Batman their own way. But after Nolan leaves don't do us the disservice of making a "pseudo-sequel" a la Superman Returns & Batman Forever where no one but the director knows for sure whether it follows anything that came before. It's a ******** gimmick that causes more problems than it solves.
since this is kind of an elseworlds Batman story, there's no reason to keep it open ended like other stories. Unlike the previous series, Nolan's movies form a much more cohesive narrative, and that narrative needs a true, definitive ending in order to feel complete. How would any of you feel if they changed the ending of "Return of The King" in the hopes of milking a 4th LoTR movie? The height of absurdity, right?
It's almost a sure bet that Joker won't be back without Heath Ledger (as it should be), but the ambiguity of Two-Face's fate means he can be brought back without much difficulty. This serves several purposes:
1: Gordon & Batman's worst fears are realized, the myth of Harvey Dent is shattered as Gotham is forced to face the ugly truth and uglier face of its once revered savior
2: It means Batman can be vindicated, at least in the eyes of the public, they might finally realize that Bruce really was the hero they deserved AND needed all along.
3: C'mon... Two-Face is too good a villain not to give him a chance to wreak major havoc:word:
Two-Face should go for broke, he should be hell-bent on burning Gotham to the ground (or at least half of it). During the course of the action something will happen, and Batman has no choice but to rush headlong into a situation he knows he probably won't survive, but he never wavers even for a moment, as long as he can draw a breath Gotham will survive. Two-Face is finally defeated and dies conclusively as Bruce dies as well.
He lived as a warrior, let him die a warrior's death. Alfred remains to tell the story and set the records straight. In the end Bruce Wayne did just what he said he'd do back in "Begins," he returned long enough to show his people their city didn't belong to the criminals and the corrupt.
You could tell me I'm crazy, but I know I'm not. How ballsy would that be, if Nolan had the guts to kill off the hero in the end? And not just any hero, THE GODDAMN BATMAN!
Think about what you done......:cmad::hehe:
kedrell
06-20-2009, 03:48 PM
I don't think it's axiomatic that Batman must die at the end of the 3rd film(I do think it would work, though), but I damn sure don't want whoever's taking over this franchise after Nolan & Co. to go around imitating what Nolan did. Have your own damn vision, future Batman director guy!
Why kill off Batman?
Trying to be 'different and edgy' all the time is not always a good thing, you know.
BatmanForNever
06-20-2009, 09:26 PM
I think he should fake his death, and return with a pose of Batmen!!!!
kedrell
06-20-2009, 09:32 PM
It wouldn't merely be to be "edgy and different". If that was the only reason then I'd consider that to be a poor excuse to do that. It would be to bookend Nolan/Bale's run and open the door wide open for a new take on the franchise. Hopefully one that would enable Batman to fit in more with stuff like the other DC heroes or employ more of his more fantastical villains.
shingi70
06-20-2009, 09:43 PM
thruthfully why cant they veer off into the werid bat mythos stuff? I know nolans batman is realstic but wasnt the point off the dark knight and oringal bob kane series was esclation. The more batman pushed the response was the werider villans and bad guys .
plus i want to see christan bale in the JL movie it would make for some great interaction between bats and these super super heroes.
also isnt it possible to make pausible origins for people like clayface and killer kroc.
Bruce has only gotten to be Batman for a couple of years in the Nolanverse so far. Why kill him off so early on? They've barely scratched the surface with him.
kedrell
06-20-2009, 10:05 PM
^Because Nolan and Bale are likely to do only one more movie, at most I'd say.
Spider-Vader
06-21-2009, 12:10 AM
I say no. Who wants to see Batman die? Hell DC didn't even really kill him in the comics. There's no way he'll die.
^Because Nolan and Bale are likely to do only one more movie, at most I'd say.
So... they should kill off Batman rather than have another actor play him? Seems a bit drastic to me.
Punk&ComicBooks
06-21-2009, 02:46 PM
If some director wanted to make a "pseudo sequel" to the nolan franchise its not the director you have to go after with torches and pitchforks...its WB for giving it the green light...btw just because we havent really had a good "pseudo sequel" yet doesnt mean its not possible for one to actually be liked by us you can always grow to the idea if you stay open minded I mean look what happend when we all saw that the jokers white face is just makeup and not his real skin...a lot of people were upset but what they lacked for in appearance they made up very much and then some staying true to character (which is what really matters). The point is ya never know (not that i liked BF or B&R) but to kill off batman just to sever any chance of trying to continue from that i think is...yea just not good lol
I say no. Who wants to see Batman die? Hell DC didn't even really kill him in the comics. There's no way he'll die.
Didn't Batman die in the Silver Age world? Where he married Catwoman and they gave birth to Huntress. :p
Point: Elseworld stories are always elseworld. ^^ Its like saying villains can't die in movies because they don't die in comics. =P
paulbalarsky
06-21-2009, 04:36 PM
:brucebat:i agree with batmanfornever
dru-zod2501
06-21-2009, 09:42 PM
I say no. Who wants to see Batman die? Hell DC didn't even really kill him in the comics. There's no way he'll die.
If we're going to get technical, yes they've killed Batman in the comics before, way back in the 70s, the Golden Age Batman died for good. And in several elseworlds that have been published since then; it's not like such a move would be unprecedented.
This is not a gimmick for the sake of gimmicks; this is meant as a closure to Nolan's story, which if you watch the first two movies, they flow like one long saga. It needs to have a real ending.
thruthfully why cant they veer off into the werid bat mythos stuff? I know nolans batman is realstic but wasnt the point off the dark knight and oringal bob kane series was esclation. The more batman pushed the response was the werider villans and bad guys .
plus i want to see christan bale in the JL movie it would make for some great interaction between bats and these super super heroes.
also isnt it possible to make pausible origins for people like clayface and killer kroc.
Because Nolan says his Batman doesn't get into that kind of stuff. I'm not going to second guess him on his own creation.
Baleman in the JL? HA!! keep dreaming!
Chris Wallace
06-21-2009, 09:43 PM
I say that in all seriousness. I think if Bruce dies in the 3rd movie it would be the perfect cap to arguably the best comic book movie series to date.
Fans have been saying since Begins, The hyper-realism of Nolanverse leaves little room to explore the other, more far-out elements of the Bat mythos, that and Nolan himself has said several times there are characters and elements that have no place in his world and he never wants to use them.
I say fine, let someone else come in and do their own Batman their own way. But after Nolan leaves don't do us the disservice of making a "pseudo-sequel" a la Superman Returns & Batman Forever where no one but the director knows for sure whether it follows anything that came before. It's a ******** gimmick that causes more problems than it solves.
since this is kind of an elseworlds Batman story, there's no reason to keep it open ended like other stories. Unlike the previous series, Nolan's movies form a much more cohesive narrative, and that narrative needs a true, definitive ending in order to feel complete. How would any of you feel if they changed the ending of "Return of The King" in the hopes of milking a 4th LoTR movie? The height of absurdity, right?
It's almost a sure bet that Joker won't be back without Heath Ledger (as it should be), but the ambiguity of Two-Face's fate means he can be brought back without much difficulty. This serves several purposes:
1: Gordon & Batman's worst fears are realized, the myth of Harvey Dent is shattered as Gotham is forced to face the ugly truth and uglier face of its once revered savior
2: It means Batman can be vindicated, at least in the eyes of the public, they might finally realize that Bruce really was the hero they deserved AND needed all along.
3: C'mon... Two-Face is too good a villain not to give him a chance to wreak major havoc:word:
Two-Face should go for broke, he should be hell-bent on burning Gotham to the ground (or at least half of it). During the course of the action something will happen, and Batman has no choice but to rush headlong into a situation he knows he probably won't survive, but he never wavers even for a moment, as long as he can draw a breath Gotham will survive. Two-Face is finally defeated and dies conclusively as Bruce dies as well.
He lived as a warrior, let him die a warrior's death. Alfred remains to tell the story and set the records straight. In the end Bruce Wayne did just what he said he'd do back in "Begins," he returned long enough to show his people their city didn't belong to the criminals and the corrupt.
You could tell me I'm crazy, but I know I'm not. How ballsy would that be, if Nolan had the guts to kill off the hero in the end? And not just any hero, THE GODDAMN BATMAN!No.
dru-zod2501
06-21-2009, 09:59 PM
So... they should kill off Batman rather than have another actor play him? Seems a bit drastic to me.
sigh... they wouldn't be killing "Batman" off, they'd be killing this particular Batman off. The next actor will play a new Batman. simple.
How many more gang wars can Batman get into until everyone is sick of them? the same plot again and again, and again, and again, in slightly differently colored packaging, it's the Terminator syndrome. And I for one couldn't bear to see that happen to a series of this caliber.
dru-zod2501
06-21-2009, 10:07 PM
If some director wanted to make a "pseudo sequel" to the nolan franchise its not the director you have to go after with torches and pitchforks...its WB for giving it the green light...btw just because we havent really had a good "pseudo sequel" yet doesnt mean its not possible for one to actually be liked by us you can always grow to the idea if you stay open minded I mean look what happend when we all saw that the jokers white face is just makeup and not his real skin...a lot of people were upset but what they lacked for in appearance they made up very much and then some staying true to character (which is what really matters). The point is ya never know (not that i liked BF or B&R) but to kill off batman just to sever any chance of trying to continue from that i think is...yea just not good lol
I'll be happy to eat my words if I'm proven wrong, but I'm confident I won't be.
If after the third movie Batman is still alive, and the fourth movie has only the loosest connection to the Nolan movies, apart from maybe one or two actors and a few references, it will be a colossal mistake on WB's part.
sigh... they wouldn't be killing "Batman" off, they'd be killing this particular Batman off. The next actor will play a new Batman. simple.
How many more gang wars can Batman get into until everyone is sick of them? the same plot again and again, and again, and again, in slightly differently colored packaging
Yes, they'd be killing off Nolan's version of Batman in lieu of a new actor playing him. Drastic. I never implied it would be the end of Batman on film.
You seem to have a fear of the same stories being rehashed, but also seem to want the franchise restarted every 3 movies. How do you reconcile these two wishes?
kedrell
06-22-2009, 10:06 AM
You don't need to re-start the franchise over again. BB did the origin story well enough that another should really not be necessary, possibly ever again. We're not talking about reboots(that's what you need to do when you royally F it up) or a re-start(basically another name for a reboot), but rather a reimagining. A different take to be started somewhere with Batman already ensconced as Gotham's dark knight/protector.
DarkReflections
06-22-2009, 01:00 PM
first of all i dont want batman to die in film unless the film is in the future and its precedessor was following what to them would be a past storyline like final crisis, batman rip, and battle of the cowl. i mean look what happend to the 3rd x-men when ratner used the gifted storyline involving a cure as an influence. it messed the film up hence why a modern storyline happening at the same time simply does not work. also whats the point with studios like wb to keep rebooting movie franchises anyway? i mean the whole point of the batman reboot was to make a good movie. seriously they went from batman and robin which is the biggest bomb in motion picture history to the dark knight which is now one of the greatist films ever and one of the highest grossing films ever. they shouldnt reboot batman just because heath died and apparently two-face died, and they definatley shouldnt do any "psuedo sequels", or any type of crap like that just so they can make more money of of future generations of kids. i couldnt care less if they keep making animated movies or a new animated series every 5 years or so. i just dont want wb to keep screwing around with the movies. nolan and bale should come back for one more and have the 3rd one end on a triumphant and ambiguous note. thats what should happen.
You don't need to re-start the franchise over again. BB did the origin story well enough that another should really not be necessary, possibly ever again. We're not talking about reboots(that's what you need to do when you royally F it up) or a re-start(basically another name for a reboot), but rather a reimagining. A different take to be started somewhere with Batman already ensconced as Gotham's dark knight/protector.
If one were unsatisfied with the current franchise, I could see why a re-imagining would be desirable. There are many "takes" on the character that could be explored. I fail to see how this approach is necessary to avoid "rehashing" stories. I would think the best way to avoid that would be to continue with a series which as already told certain stories, and thus is forced to imagine new ones.
dru-zod2501
06-22-2009, 02:22 PM
Yes, they'd be killing off Nolan's version of Batman in lieu of a new actor playing him. Drastic. I never implied it would be the end of Batman on film.
You seem to have a fear of the same stories being rehashed, but also seem to want the franchise restarted every 3 movies. How do you reconcile these two wishes?
I never said I wanted the franchise restarted so quickly. If BB and TDK had been set up differently
1: to allow for the more garish, bizarre, and fantastic elements in the Nolanverse
and
2: so the story doesn't feel so serialized, like one long story
I wouldn't be saying any of this. The last franchise for example, if the quality hadn't dropped off so steeply they could've kept it going forever if they wanted. The movies were for the most part stand alone, and readily accepted the fantasy elements. They had all the room in the world to grow and expand, but they took it too far, like Silver Age too far
So you basically just like Nolan's particular brand of Batman enough to see it continue.
That's a perfectly valid viewpoint, it just isn't a a good argument for killing the character off.
Mr. Todd
06-22-2009, 11:15 PM
Batman should die in the next film!
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1416/bearhowaboutnowj9.jpg
I don't mind the idea of Alfred dying though.
Dark Knight90!
06-24-2009, 03:31 PM
I'd be open to it...
AnorexicBatman
06-24-2009, 03:33 PM
Do you people have a problem with another director taking Nolan's Batman and moving forward with it? If so, why?
kedrell
06-24-2009, 07:31 PM
^For a few reasons:
Bale is Nolan's Batman and he's likely not going to continue past the 3rd film anymore than Nolan is.
Also, Nolan's take on Batman(great as it is) is still limited. It cuts out entire swaths of Batman's mythos that would simply never work with that kind of take(too fantastical). I'd like the next Batman director to try to shoot right down the middle between Nolan's version and Burton's.
Lighthouse
06-25-2009, 12:57 AM
I totally agree with this. I feel like this is where its all been heading. Batman 3 shouldn't end with a status quo Batman universe, where little has changed. I think this is a fully done story with and end. It would make a certain amount of sense if Batman sacrificed himself and actually saves Gotham from the crime. That doesn't mean there won't be more movies with Batman in them, but if its something like Justice League or a Worlds Finest movie, it'll have someone else playing Batman, with its own little universe in it. It would have to be that way anyway since Bale will unlikely be back after Batman 3.
Eric Brooks
06-25-2009, 10:36 AM
kedrell........your av.....I can't stop looking
and I'm up for Nolan's Bats to recieve the death treatement
Prison Mike
06-25-2009, 12:15 PM
I kind of like this idea. In all honesty, if Nolan truly wants his movies to be realistic then what's more realistic than the death of a vigilante? In the real world, I don't think an actual vigilante would survive as long as Batman has already. He's just one man. Sooner or later he is bound to make a mistake which will cause his downfall.
I kind of like this idea. In all honesty, if Nolan truly wants his movies to be realistic then what's more realistic than the death of a vigilante? In the real world, I don't think an actual vigilante would survive as long as Batman has already. He's just one man. Sooner or later he is bound to make a mistake which will cause his downfall.
He becomes more experienced as he goes along. He would probably be more likely to make one of those mistakes early on. If he just randomly dies from a mistake in the middle of his career, it sort of implies he'd been relying on luck to a larger degree the entire time. Now if he sacrificed himself, that would be different.
dru-zod2501
06-27-2009, 02:57 PM
^For a few reasons:
Bale is Nolan's Batman and he's likely not going to continue past the 3rd film anymore than Nolan is.
Also, Nolan's take on Batman(great as it is) is still limited. It cuts out entire swaths of Batman's mythos that would simply never work with that kind of take(too fantastical). I'd like the next Batman director to try to shoot right down the middle between Nolan's version and Burton's.
your post is spot on, and your avi is hypnotic... perfect!!
weezerspider
06-29-2009, 12:35 PM
They can end the Nolan series without killing Batman and still make it obvious that the next set of movies are not in the same universe as BB,TDK and the next film. Killing off Batman is a stupid idea.
TheBatman072
06-29-2009, 08:47 PM
This is dumb.
kedrell
06-29-2009, 08:53 PM
They can end the Nolan series without killing Batman and still make it obvious that the next set of movies are not in the same universe as BB,TDK and the next film. Killing off Batman is a stupid idea.
If they can, then sure. I've no problem with it. I just want Nolan's run book-ended to stand alone on it's own.
But having Batman die would certainly accomplish that.
VRICH
06-30-2009, 04:21 PM
Won't happen. Should not happen.
Kurt Wagner
06-30-2009, 07:10 PM
it wouldnt make sense to have Batman die when WB is planning 8 batman films total in this franchise. If anyone should die, it should be Dick Grayson's parents and Dick Grayson can live at the newly built Wayne Mansion while Batman does his crime fighting... Robin doesn't need to enter the films, but having grayson there would add more drama in Bruce's life.
Kurt Wagner
06-30-2009, 07:12 PM
Or if he dies, I think it should be a faked death so that Bruce can live in hiding while crime rates escalate.... then when Bruce realizes his purpose again, he comes out as the batman.
Dark Knight
06-30-2009, 07:58 PM
I think it should be made to look like Batman is dead similiar to what was done in Millers TDKR's graphic novel, but he really doesn't die.
kedrell
06-30-2009, 10:27 PM
Nolan & Bale WILL NOT be sticking around for another 6 movies. One more at best. You shouldn't view the Batman franchise like Star Wars or LOTR. It's more like James Bond. They'll be making them forever.
Naite22
07-01-2009, 08:29 AM
I'm all for the dark batman movies, but I really dont think that they should kill off Bruce/batman in the third flick. he suffered a lot of pain in TDK (and will most likely suffer even more in the concluding chapter)... I think the third movie should end with Batman alive and kicking, and a Gotham that finaly sees, at least some light. Not that i dont see something clever in the idea of batman dying in the third, I just think it's a bit TOO SAD:csad:'
TDK is one of the top 3 best movies I've ever seen! Nothing can compare in its grand way of telling the story (NO, I dont even think Lord of the rings can match it!). It was so intense, so compelling, so fantasticly directed! The cast was way above great, the story was so unbelievably badass and flawless; I can't ****ing believe the movie wasn't nominated for best picture, when a flick like Return of the King was, and more than that even won it!...
I can't wait for the third batman picture! but if the entire cast of Begins and Knight isn't back, than leave it be! TDK didn't end with a cliff-hanger. It ended openly, and doesn't really need a sequel (but my God, I'd kill for one!). The ending was as majestic, powerful and tear dropping as can be!
Alex Logan
07-04-2009, 04:40 AM
WORST. IDEA. EVER!
Lock this thread!
Fresh Prince
07-04-2009, 11:45 PM
I would not mind seeing he would die in Nolan world only. Besides with Nolan not using the rest of Batman cool villiand who cause a threat to Batman and reason why he cannot retire early it be no point to keep him alive. All the mobsters killed and the few threat villians are either locked up or dead. So only thing to worry about is thugs but cops can take them down. So Batman bascially would not be needed in Gotham anymore.
BatmanForNever
07-05-2009, 11:23 AM
Or if he dies, I think it should be a faked death so that Bruce can live in hiding while crime rates escalate.... then when Bruce realizes his purpose again, he comes out as the batman.
Which like I said sets up the Dark Knight Returns so well, and so much time could pass that the Joker returns so we can use another actor. It would be fabulous.
Fresh Prince
07-05-2009, 01:44 PM
Which like I said sets up the Dark Knight Returns so well, and so much time could pass that the Joker returns so we can use another actor. It would be fabulous.
Yeah but then that means TDKR will be in Nolan world and it should not be. It should be totally different so we can have the real Batman world.
darknight7
07-06-2009, 06:27 PM
In the last scene Scarecrow is all happy that Batman died and he goes out to take over Gotham... untill he finds a girl with a tazer.
LMAO
--dk7
darknight7
07-06-2009, 06:29 PM
I think it should be made to look like Batman is dead similiar to what was done in Millers TDKR's graphic novel, but he really doesn't die.
The only problem is, they did that with Gordon in TDK and it would just seem like a rehash idea now
--dk7
darknight7
07-06-2009, 06:29 PM
Not to mention, they did the whole "BATMAN IS CAPTURED" idea with Dent...
They really killed 2 birds with 1 stone in TDK lol...
So Batman's death or fake death is uneccessary
--dk7
Wesley Dodds
07-06-2009, 06:31 PM
The Jokers made a few very Ledger-esque appearances since TDK... His segment of the Joker's Asylum limited series was very, VERRRRRRYYYYY TDK.
Also, I don't care what Azzerello and Bermejo say... Their Joker from the "JOKER" is clearly inspired by TDK... It's just too big of a coincidence otherwise.
Fresh Prince
07-06-2009, 08:47 PM
Okay so maybe Batman dying not a good idea.
Fresh Prince
07-06-2009, 08:47 PM
The Jokers made a few very Ledger-esque appearances since TDK... His segment of the Joker's Asylum limited series was very, VERRRRRRYYYYY TDK.
Also, I don't care what Azzerello and Bermejo say... Their Joker from the "JOKER" is clearly inspired by TDK... It's just too big of a coincidence otherwise.
Pretty much it is.
Milk.Bad.Choice
07-09-2009, 04:15 AM
I've been thinking this for a while, it would actually be perfect if DC really wanted Bruce to put down the mantle, ie the comics.
AnorexicBatman
07-09-2009, 04:38 AM
I'd rather have Bruce go back in time and become a cave man...
Oh wait... HAHAHAHAHAHA! ... DC already did that... I'm serious...
Fresh Prince
07-09-2009, 02:04 PM
I've been thinking this for a while, it would actually be perfect if DC really wanted Bruce to put down the mantle, ie the comics.
That would fail epicly for a movie.
Fresh Prince
07-09-2009, 02:05 PM
I've been thinking this for a while, it would actually be perfect if DC really wanted Bruce to put down the mantle, ie the comics.
That would fail epicly for a movie.:hehe:
raphaeltmnt
07-16-2009, 01:42 AM
This idea could work out to perfection but killing Batman..eh I don't know about that. It would make for an epic finish, but that just isn't like the dark knight to be killed that quick. Especially since Bruce is behind the cowl.
Fresh Prince
07-16-2009, 06:24 PM
True.
bullets
07-16-2009, 11:43 PM
I say that in all seriousness. I think if Bruce dies in the 3rd movie it would be the perfect cap to arguably the best comic book movie series to date.
http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv335/fat0ninja/fail.jpg
Fresh Prince
07-17-2009, 12:56 PM
http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv335/fat0ninja/fail.jpg
:lmao:
venomvsspidey
07-28-2009, 05:09 PM
WORST. IDEA. EVER!
Lock this thread!
:up:
Fresh Prince
07-29-2009, 01:12 PM
This thread not locked yet?
venomvsspidey
07-29-2009, 01:41 PM
This thread not locked yet?
guess not...
Fresh Prince
07-29-2009, 02:10 PM
Always liked the idea of Batman figthing Dracula in a live action movie.
Two-Face
07-29-2009, 02:11 PM
It will die if we don't reply to this thread
The Law Demon
07-30-2009, 02:03 PM
I don't think Batman should die so early in his career, but I would like a time gap between Batman 3 and any potential sequels. This would effectively separate Nolan's work from that of whoever inherits the Batman franchise, thereby serving the same intended purpose that Batman's death would.
Léo Ho Tep
07-30-2009, 05:02 PM
Qft
Judson Caspian
07-30-2009, 11:16 PM
I think Alfred will die in the 3rd movie, so that Bruce can be completely lost in his monster of his.
Damn good television.
Léo Ho Tep
07-31-2009, 01:10 AM
Damn good television.
I think Rachel's death was necessary, as she was the one and only bound to his bruce wayne life. But Alfred is part of hs path to becoming the Dark Knight, and he still needs him as a guide.
still it would be interesting to see how he cops with the lost, but I supect it would be close to ho he was when he thought gordon was dead.
VenomsMom
08-02-2009, 07:10 PM
This idea is interesting. I kind of like it. This series should end with Batman 3 anyways so why not. Batman sacrificing himself for Gotham .........a tragic end that unites them all.
venomvsspidey
08-02-2009, 07:59 PM
This idea is interesting. I kind of like it. This series should end with Batman 3 anyways so why not. Batman sacrificing himself for Gotham .........a tragic end that unites them all.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2445/epicfaill.jpg
VenomsMom
08-02-2009, 09:34 PM
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2445/epicfaill.jpg
LOL. I like that. They should build you a stage. You have a gift for comedy.
venomvsspidey
08-02-2009, 10:00 PM
LOL. I like that. They should build you a stage. You have a gift for comedy.
i dont know if your serious or not, but thanks??:huh::huh:
lou2099
08-19-2009, 12:26 PM
If Bane wasn't completely wasted in Batman & Robin I'd have used him in the third Batman Begins-verse movie. Bane breaks Batman's back at the end and someone else takes up the mantle in the next movie.
But thanks to "Let's kick some ice" that won't happen.
adamwest3121
08-21-2009, 03:50 AM
Batman already died. it happened in this video on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpIIiCYGUYw
RIP BATMAN
Shockdingo
08-27-2009, 12:19 PM
I vote no, I'm getting tired of death being used as a simple plot device in media as of late. Why kill him? Why not use skill to portray an open ended finality? Something like after the main quest, if has people talking of Batman and his legend through the years. "At first...he ran alone. (Footage of Batman running rooftop to rooftop in his original BB outfit) Cold, determined and solitary. But later, he changed, he grew. He gained a family. (Other members of the Bat-Family appear alongside Batman running). Through tragedy and loss the good fight continued. They never compromised, they never gave in. Even in our darkest hour...the Batman would be there." (Music builds, fades out)
See, now, my writing is not the best, but you could convey that despite this being the final film, the story continued for a long time and even, maybe imply at a death if you want. You really don't have to be boxed in and slam down the "death card" in order to close the series. It's all about artistic vision and skill. You could tell the audience, "Hey no more films, but Batman will live on, maybe re imagined someday, maybe not by this crew, but it's been a fun ride!"
I also agree that it is way too early in his career to do this. I dunno, those are my $0.02
Oscorp
08-27-2009, 03:11 PM
i dont know if your serious or not, but thanks??:huh::huh:
Judging by logic, I don't think he was...
Oh, and fail on you for simply posting a picture of FAIL without stating why. That's very creative of you.
Bathead
08-27-2009, 04:55 PM
I really think killing him off is a bad idea. There's something compelling about the idea that Batman's struggle is an unending one, one that he could not truly finish, even if he lived a hundred years, and that it likely will be carried on by others into the future. His story seems more epic that way.
TheRookie311
08-27-2009, 06:30 PM
I like it in a way. How about batman fakes his death at the end in order to outmaneuver the joker who somehow had faked is death in two. The joker never seen in this movie other than flash backs from the second, has put together this fake criminal the riddler when somehow batman realizes that the riddler in this movie is actually a pawn of the jokers and part of the jokers big master plan to end batman.
TheRookie311
08-27-2009, 06:35 PM
Batman already died. it happened in this video on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpIIiCYGUYw
RIP BATMAN
Thats pretty funny shii stuff lol
MrQuinn
08-27-2009, 10:06 PM
If Bane wasn't completely wasted in Batman & Robin I'd have used him in the third Batman Begins-verse movie. Bane breaks Batman's back at the end and someone else takes up the mantle in the next movie.
I dont know about the third installment, but man I've really wanted this to freakin' happen for a long time! It's such a good segway to get some other films going, not to mention to take a break from the batfilms! From there we could possibly skip the whole Robin thing, and perhaps go straight to Nightwing (such as let's say, in place of Azriel from the comics). It's a little tricky and I guess far-fetched, but I think it could work.
returntovoid
09-08-2009, 04:37 AM
I don't think Batman should die in BB3, that will just turn it into a Oscar-bait film.
cjmcray
09-12-2009, 04:00 AM
:facepalm:
This thread should've been locked after the first post.
CaptainClown
09-12-2009, 04:33 PM
batman really should die....it makes the most sense.........
ha
Fresh Prince
09-12-2009, 10:57 PM
Batman cannot die. He is BATMAN! He suppose to live forever and ever.
Littledragon
09-19-2009, 04:37 PM
Why would Batman die??????? Gimick. Marvel's gonna die after Disney gets through with them, it would be dumb for WB or DC to kill off Batman.
Fresh Prince
09-19-2009, 11:07 PM
Marvel is not gonna die by Disney. If anything Disney will help them out big time.
Carnotaur3
09-20-2009, 11:59 AM
The only way I see that Batman's death could work thematically to its full effect is this:
The film opens with Batman unable to save a boy's family, Dick Grayson. Bruce, feeling just as he did when his parents were murdered, helpless and unable to prevent death, takes the young boy under his care. He connects with Dick, they share a father/son relationship. Toward the end of the film, Bruce is up against someone possibly smarter than himself. Knowing the outcome could mean certain death for him, Bruce leaves a message for Dick.
Batman does die. The city realizes the wrong they were in. And Dick is encouraged, through Bruce's letters, to continue Batman's crusade. Because corruption never dies. The war is never over as long as evil still exists.
And that's the end of the film and the Nolan series.
AnorexicBatman
09-20-2009, 12:04 PM
...
THEN A HAND BURSTS OUT FROM BRUCE WAYNE'S GRAVE WITH A BLACK RING ON HIS HAND
Oh Em Gee! Perfect!
Body by Joker
09-21-2009, 02:26 PM
nuff' with the dead Batman talk.
Angel_Faerie
09-21-2009, 02:57 PM
Are you guys serious? You can't kill Batman. No superhero has ever died in a superhero movie (unless you count Spawn, I guess, but that's pushing it). It'd be a very ballsy move, but no way would it ever happen.
Body by Joker
09-21-2009, 08:52 PM
Are you guys serious? You can't kill Batman. No superhero has ever died in a superhero movie (unless you count Spawn, I guess, but that's pushing it). It'd be a very ballsy move, but no way would it ever happen.
Exactly, only in the comics (and they always come back for the most part) does it work. The studios love to make the money and will re-vamp, re-boot and re-make any hero if there is a profit to be made.
TheBatman072
09-23-2009, 01:55 AM
This is dumb.
Yep. Still dumb.
cjmcray
09-24-2009, 05:32 AM
This thread made me think of this comic:
Edit: dumb rules.
CaptainClown
09-24-2009, 05:55 AM
Are you guys serious? You can't kill Batman. No superhero has ever died in a superhero movie (unless you count Spawn, I guess, but that's pushing it). It'd be a very ballsy move, but no way would it ever happen.
X-men 3....there i poke a hole in your logic! :awesome:
Hellboy 2 then brought back to life
returntovoid
09-24-2009, 06:11 AM
This thread made me think of this comic:
:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
Angel_Faerie
09-24-2009, 11:14 AM
Might wanna hurry and censor that comic. Bannable offense and all.
Body by Joker
09-25-2009, 07:28 PM
I wonder why this thread hasn't been closed yet?
bullets
09-28-2009, 06:32 PM
Are you guys serious? You can't kill Batman. No superhero has ever died in a superhero movie (unless you count Spawn, I guess, but that's pushing it). It'd be a very ballsy move, but no way would it ever happen.
The t.v. Hulk died after falling out of a helicopter. That didn't turn out ot be good either .
nightwing666
10-01-2009, 10:13 AM
many , many people on these boards just dont get it.Batman dead??????? A comic reader is their worst enemy. Because they think of a story for a film in a way that the comic is written and its utter crap. Plus they dont even listen to the filmmakers.
Bat-Gasm
10-11-2009, 10:08 PM
I've never bothered to look at this thread untill tonight.
Wish I hadn't.
Fresh Prince
10-14-2009, 02:12 PM
They could do a BTAS episode The Man Who Killed Batman angle.
Were a petty criminal trying to become a gangster ''kills'' Batman, but really he fakes hisown death to get a idea whats going on with the drug bust.
Two-Face
10-15-2009, 07:35 AM
They could do a BTAS episode The Man Who Killed Batman angle.
Were a petty criminal trying to become a gangster ''kills'' Batman, but really he fakes hisown death to get a idea whats going on with the drug bust.
That's sorta happened in TDK with Gordon, so we saw something similar to that.
Rodrigo90
10-16-2009, 08:49 AM
Why should he do that?
Fresh Prince
10-16-2009, 08:57 PM
That's sorta happened in TDK with Gordon, so we saw something similar to that.
Yeah I know so it be pointless now....But would of been awesome if never happened to Gordon.
Asteroid-Man
10-25-2009, 10:24 PM
Well, in this way the city can truly become good which is what he initially set out to do in Batman Begins, and people will realize he was Bruce Wayne and in this way he more than honours his family.
mothy
11-06-2009, 08:49 AM
the topic of this thread is absurd. if someone wants batman to die, i seriously question their fandom.
Batman will not, and should not, die in the next film. Why? Well . . .
Batman is one of the most bankable superheroes to put on the big screen, and Warners knows that.
It's an asinine idea.
He's the gosh-darn Batman!
El Payaso
11-08-2009, 09:27 AM
Are you guys serious? You can't kill Batman. No superhero has ever died in a superhero movie (unless you count Spawn, I guess, but that's pushing it). It'd be a very ballsy move, but no way would it ever happen.
So it's basically a bad idea because it has never been done before?
I ceryainly think executives wouldn't will a character while they can squeeze one more dollar oput of it. But since when business has showed us the true way to a good film?
the topic of this thread is absurd. if someone wants batman to die, i seriously question their fandom.
Naturally. People who disagree are not true fans, period.
Batman will not, and should not, die in the next film. Why? Well . . .
Batman is one of the most bankable superheroes to put on the big screen, and Warners knows that.
Still could make a good movie.
It's an asinine idea.
Why?
He's the gosh-darn Batman!
Best reason so far! :up: :)
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