Michael Papajohn Returning for Spider-Man 4?

[Sam Fisher]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8447

Scooper 'Cassassin' sent us the following note today about Spider-Man actor Michael Papajohn:

During a Q&A with Ted Raimi and Michael Papajohn at Wizard World Philadelphia today, Papajohn (aka the carjacker/original killer of Uncle Ben from the Spider-Man films) said that he would be reprising his role for Spider-Man 4. He then proceeded to say if he told us what his role entailed, he'd have to kill us.

If this will indeed happen, it will be interesting to see why they still need to show the character in another film considering what happened in the third installment.

Spider-Man 4 is scheduled for a May 6, 2011 release.

[Gilpesh]

To undo that ****** scene where Sandman kills Uncle Ben and have the carjacker just shoot Ben himself. :up:

[LightningFlash]

^^ So it'll be another retcon?

That would be a new low for Raimi, which I'm sure he'll most likely over succeed.

But, I kid you not...this is the first step of what will be a train wreck of a movie.

First of all, he's dead.

Second of all, he isn't the real killer.

Third of all, he's gonna be back now and have some kind of role?

Idiotic.

Lazy.

Stupid.

Travesty.

[Venom'sDad]

He's probably working for someone(future villain) that led up to the events of Uncle Ben's death.

[TheScarecrow]

Thumbs down.

So over the twists involving Uncle Ben's death. He died - why can't they just leave it alone?

[Spade]

Good Christ, not this again.

Why can't we try and forget Spider-Man 3 happened?

[chaseter]

Ugh...:dry:

[Gamma Ray]

Can we also bring back the teacher? I KID YOU NOT!

[Dragon]

Who says they're retconning Spidey 3? He could. like Bruce Campbell just be playing another role.

[Spade]

Bruce's roles are comedic. Papajohn's forever tied to Ben's death. The audience would know right away who he used to play and react accordingly.

[SpideyTheBest]

This can't be true! It mustn't be! :csad:

I still don't get it? It was burglar that escaped because of Peter and then he shot Uncle Ben. Why can't it stay that way? Bringing in Sandman was bad enough but, are they going to make another twist out of it? What, Mac Gargan saw the whole thing and told the police 2 years later that it wasn't really Flint Marko, it was really Chameleon that shot Uncle Ben disguised as Flint, and they brainwashed Flint into believing he did it?

Ugh...

[Figs]

I'm not going to start freaking out untill I hear more about it. Personally(and hopefully) it's just for another flashback...even though they should just move on with Uncle Ben's death and find something new for Parker/Spider-Man to deal with emotionally/internally.

[Dragon]

Bruce's roles are comedic. Papajohn's forever tied to Ben's death. The audience would know right away who he used to play and react accordingly.

If "the audience" can be fine with Campbell being three different people in three different films, they can deal with Papajohn. I seriously doubt anyone will be stormig out of the theater over Papajohn's appearance, do you?

[Carlo Comicus]

I think two thing: the main villain is the chameleon or we have another flashback in the 4th movie.

[SpideyTheBest]

I think two thing: the main villain is the chameleon or we have another flashback in the 4th movie.

No to Chamelon. Unless he is tied with Kraven who is going to hunt down the Lizard.

Perhaps the main villain could be Mysterio. He use some sort of gas on Spidey, like Scarecrow does to Batman in Batman Begins, and it starts to mess with his mind and he goes through all the things that has given him the most pain.

Maybe? I love Mysterio!

It will be unnecessary to bring him back just for another flashback. Why couldn't they use some of the clips from the first film?

[NinjaTurtleFan]

My guess is definitely Chameleon. For three movies, Pete could've been letting his guard down the whole time and each time he got dressed or unmasked, there was this guy watching him the whole time, knowing who he was, knowing who he encountered and called his friends or loved ones, stalking him with every move and turn.

That way it wouldn't be Uncle Ben's killer coming back perse' but someone imitating him to throw off Peter. He'd be like, "Wait...you died!?!" And the guy would be like, "Sometimes seeing is disbelieving" or some cool line like that.

I don't think we have to worry but if it's just a reprisal of the first movie's scenes, than we don't need to see it again. It's happened, it's done, Raimi could just use the footage of SM1, and it'd save him production cost and revisiting the whole sequence.

[louiebling$]

Mysterio???

[FaT_tONle]

Hopefully he doesn't come back from the dead as Rhino. I really hope they don't use lame mobsters like Hammerhead though.

[dark_b]

leave uncle ben alone. find something different.

[GuestStar2004]

ah i think i see where this is going

i have a feeling it will be Mysterio, this would be a perfect excuse to bring back characters like green goblin/Norman Osborn, doc ock, uncle ben, the guy he thought killed him, venom and proberly harry osborn to haunt spiderman

its a way to give some emotional impact to peter parker, which Raimi likes to do

hehe, dont say i didnt tell u so ;)

[The Joker]

I hope to god they are not going over Uncle Ben's death again. Move on already!!!! This dead horse [Ben] has been beaten with a stick for long enough in these movies.

I just hope it's as some others have suggested, and it's due to a Mysterio or Chameleon trick. *Crosses fingers*

[spider-neil]

I've got a bad feeling about this.

why can't sam leave well enough alone. For a supposed spider-man fan and not only that a silver age spider-man fan what he did with the uncle ben/sandman ret-con was beyond idiot, why, so spidey could have a reason to be mad at sandman. he could have come up with a million different reasons, heck, spidey had the black suit he didn't NEED a reason to be angry at sandman.

now it seems the original killer will be back to re-ret-con the ret-con...

marvelous :whatever:

[Venom'sDad]

Look, I'm telling you all, its not going to be some trick with Chameleon or Mysterio... nothing like that. It's simply going to be a flashback to the Burglar & Flint working for someone who may become a future villain, or founder of the Sinister Six. It would at the very least tie Flint to it, allowing him to come back in Spidey 4, 5, or 6 in a team-up or ensemble.

Flint is still out there robbing, he still needs more money as he basically said at the end of Spidey3. All he is concern about is his daughter, and nothing will get in the way of that.

I'm just saying.....

:O

[Spider-ManHero12]

Cool news! I actaully don't really mind this. I am curious though, what will his role be? What are they going to do with Uncle Ben's killer? A flashback maybe?

[The Joker]

Look, I'm telling you all, its not going to be some trick with Chameleon or Mysterio... nothing like that. It's simply going to be a flashback to the Burglar & Flint working for someone who may become a future villain, or founder of the Sinister Six. It would at the very least tie Flint to it, allowing him to come back in Spidey 4, 5, or 6 in a team-up or ensemble.

Flint is still out there robbing, he still needs more money as he basically said at the end of Spidey3. All he is concern about is his daughter, and nothing will get in the way of that.

I'm just saying.....

:O

Can you lend me your crystal ball for next week's lottery numbers?

[FlawlessVictory]

If true, and it is another flashback, than that is so incredibly lame. What else is there to cover? That there is another twist? Good to see these years off have allowed Raimi to bring fresh ideas to the table. :rolleyes: Can't wait for the inevitable MJ being kidnapped at the end of the movie either. :down

[Venom'sDad]

Well seriously Joker, what else could it be. The Burglar is dead, so it can't be Chameleon or Mysterio. The cops remove the body, so it is not an illusion. As far as Uncle Ben, what more can they do with that, but tie the Burglar & Flint to a much larger character that may be a future villain, that may impact a future story or event.

[SpideyTheBest]

As I said, Mysterio could use some gas that messes with Spidey's brain. Pretty much like Scarecrow did to Batman in Batman Begins. Heck, pretty much like Scarecrow always does.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ That's a possibility, if you ask me.

[Sentinel X]

Can we also bring back the teacher? I KID YOU NOT! Maybe the teacher was the mastermind behind all the evil villains the entire time. :ikyn....what a twist!!!


But seriously, why can't they just let it go. It happened 3 movies ago :huh:
As others have mentioned however I HOPE that its either cameleon or mysterio messing around with Spiderman and in that case it would be perfectly acceptable for him to reprise the role.

[Spiderine]

I don't know what this is about but I already don't like it. Another stroll down memory lane perhaps? And if this is some sort of trickery from Mysterio or Chameleon then I guess Sandman has blabbed poor Peter's identity to every thug in the city.

Wonderful.

[Vile]

After Spidey 3 this dude is no longer relevent.

"Stop messing with my head, Mysterio! You're showing me the guy who totally didnt shoot my uncle! AIEEE!!!"

[david icke]

Well seriously Joker, what else could it be. The Burglar is dead, so it can't be Chameleon or Mysterio. The cops remove the body, so it is not an illusion. As far as Uncle Ben, what more can they do with that, but tie the Burglar & Flint to a much larger character that may be a future villain, that may impact a future story or event.

We didn't see that though did we? Just some cops looking through the window he had fallen through, iirc.
The only ref we have to the guy being dead is MJ talking to Pete about him in SM3, iirc. Maybe Pete just assumed he was dead and he's not. He could have figured out Spidey's secret ID from his abilities and the fact he says 'you killed my uncle.'
If he is indeed dead and it's just a flashback, I imagine it'll be Pete going through some kind of guilt or conflicted feelings about the situation. He could just be part of a nightmare type thing where you see a few people who shaped who Spider-man is.
The guy from the Dead Zone who was in The Dark Knight said his role was top secret etc, and it merely amounted to a newscaster, this guy has just been sworn to secrecy, it's probably not that involved a part, quick flashback prob.

[Sentinel X]

After Spidey 3 this dude is no longer relevent.

"Stop messing with my head, Mysterio! You're showing me the guy who totally didnt shoot my uncle! AIEEE!!!" I know you're being sarcastic but if they do use Mysterio and papajohn (love that name!) it would probably be mysterio showing Peter how he is a "murderer" since the man didn't kill Ben and Peter caused him to die.

I really hope we dont get a flashback though. The flashbacks in SM3 were TEREBLE!!! whoever was editting that needs to be fired

[Retroman]

Now we don't know in what context he'll return but personally i feel there's no need to bring him back a third time. What more do they need to show about Uncle Ben's killer that we haven't seen? Why (once again) show more flashbacks?:confused: I think it's time to move on Sam.:(

However if this is some kind of trick from Mysterio or Chameleon i guess i wouldn't mind as much.:o

[LightningFlash]

If "the audience" can be fine with Campbell being three different people in three different films, they can deal with Papajohn. I seriously doubt anyone will be stormig out of the theater over Papajohn's appearance, do you?

Bruce's roles were different for all three movies. Papa John's Pizza had one role in movie one and three. That makes it different. Why would he get a different role NOW? It'll still be a stupid move just because we've(the audience) as seen him twice already as the burglar, and no one different. And why already make it a big deal such as "If I told you, I'd have to kill you?"

Which, by the way, that line is funny, seeing as how he didn't kill Ben.

If his role is related to Chameleon or Mysterio, then we better know how the hell the villain knows about this guy, and if the villain knows about the burglar, then he must know that Peter is Spider-Man...and then that would make another villain know about Spidey's identity.

And a pointless flashback of the not-really-Uncle-Ben's-killer is not something that should be in the fourth film.

So both ways, it's an epic fail.

Cool news! I actaully don't really mind this. I am curious though, what will his role be? What are they going to do with Uncle Ben's killer? A flashback maybe?

If I knew one person who would be fine with this, it'd be you, hah.

:hehe:

[Venom'sDad]

We didn't see that though did we? Just some cops looking through the window he had fallen through, iirc.
No we didn't; but the cop did look down and surround the body. Come on, they remove the body. Papajohn role will be just another flashback. Personally, I think it will be to tie him & Flint to someone.

I wouldn't be surprise that the big secret is that Sony & Marvel bought out the rights to KingPin(since he is so New York that we will appreciate) and The Burglar & Flint muscle in on the promoter who owe Kingpin or something. Kingpin may force Flint to join an ensemble of Supervillains or something in a future installment.

I'm just saying, what other reason could Sam be delving back to the Burglar for if its not to ties Flint to someone. The Burglar is dead... there is no illusion.

[Spider-ManHero12]

If I knew one person who would be fine with this, it'd be you, hah.

:hehe: hahahaha....ha...............ha. :dry:

Atleast I'm not the one assuming that this is going to be a terrible mistake.

[Retroman]

No we didn't; but the cop did look down and surround the body. Come on, they remove the body. Papajohn role will be just another flashback. Personally, I think it will be to tie him & Flint to someone.

I wouldn't be surprise that the big secret is that Sony & Marvel bought out the rights to KingPin(since he is so New York that we will appreciate) and The Burglar & Flint muscle in on the promoter who owe Kingpin or something. Kingpin may force Flint to join an ensemble of Supervillains or something in a future installment.

I'm just saying, what other reason could Sam be delving back to the Burglar for if its not to ties Flint to someone. The Burglar is dead... there is no illusion.

Well Raimi does like his villains to have a personal connection to Peter Parker.As Sandman's back story in SM3 proves he'll even rewrite history to achieve that.:o

[Spiderine]

And why already make it a big deal such as "If I told you, I'd have to kill you?"



:hehe:
They always do this crap. It gets the internet all buzzed up and gets us talking. Just like Anthony Micheal Hall and his important secretive role in The Dark Knight. It could be something big or just a dud.

[Symbiotic]

In my opinion, there's no (good) reason for him to come back.

[LightningFlash]

hahahaha....ha...............ha. :dry:

Atleast I'm not the one assuming that this is going to be a terrible mistake.

Because I know it's a terrible mistake. Raimi's been doing this back in Spider-Man 2.

[TheSlag]

I've got a bad feeling about this.

why can't sam leave well enough alone. For a supposed spider-man fan and not only that a silver age spider-man fan what he did with the uncle ben/sandman ret-con was beyond idiot, why, so spidey could have a reason to be mad at sandman. he could have come up with a million different reasons, heck, spidey had the black suit he didn't NEED a reason to be angry at sandman.

now it seems the original killer will be back to re-ret-con the ret-con...

marvelous :whatever:

LOL.. "Retcon the Retcon"... RtR... Great Post! :up:

[TheSlag]

Bruce's roles were different for all three movies. Papa John's Pizza had one role in movie one and three. That makes it different. Why would he get a different role NOW? It'll still be a stupid move just because we've(the audience) as seen him twice already as the burglar, and no one different. And why already make it a big deal such as "If I told you, I'd have to kill you?"

Which, by the way, that line is funny, seeing as how he didn't kill Ben.

If his role is related to Chameleon or Mysterio, then we better know how the hell the villain knows about this guy, and if the villain knows about the burglar, then he must know that Peter is Spider-Man...and then that would make another villain know about Spidey's identity.

And a pointless flashback of the not-really-Uncle-Ben's-killer is not something that should be in the fourth film.

So both ways, it's an epic fail.



Spot on post. :up:

No matter how you play it, it is a mistake.

[spiderguy252000]

I like the scarecrow gas idea, except I dont see why Kraven cant use the gas instead of Mysterio. It would be a great hunting tool to catch spidey :spidey:

[SpideyTheBest]

I like the scarecrow gas idea, except I dont see why Kraven cant use the gas instead of Mysterio. It would be a great hunting tool to catch spidey :spidey:

Eh, Kraven is a hunter. It wouldn't fit if he used the gas and it wouldn't make sense either.

[Saint]

Chameleon!

[Dragon]

Bruce's roles were different for all three movies. Papa John's Pizza had one role in movie one and three. That makes it different. Why would he get a different role NOW? It'll still be a stupid move just because we've(the audience) as seen him twice already as the burglar, and no one different. And why already make it a big deal such as "If I told you, I'd have to kill you?"

Which, by the way, that line is funny, seeing as how he didn't kill Ben.

If his role is related to Chameleon or Mysterio, then we better know how the hell the villain knows about this guy, and if the villain knows about the burglar, then he must know that Peter is Spider-Man...and then that would make another villain know about Spidey's identity.

And a pointless flashback of the not-really-Uncle-Ben's-killer is not something that should be in the fourth film.

So both ways, it's an epic fail.



Wow. That is an epic post about a minor character. For all you know he could be nearly unrecognizable in his role in 4. He could be playing the Carjacker's twin brother. He could indeed be the Carjacker risen from the dead. All of this griping about a minor bit of news when no one here has any idea of what the story is.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Because I know it's a terrible mistake. Raimi's been doing this back in Spider-Man 2. How do you know? I don't know why you're making this into a big deal. I mean, honestly, it'll probably be just a flashback.

[venom892]

I'm really tired of

A.Flashbacks
b.The villain seeing Spidey unmask
c.MJ being kidnapped
d.Uncle Ben storyline being beaten to death

[Spade]

seriously doubt anyone will be stormig (sic) out of the theater

Who said anything about that? :huh:

[Venom 1988]

How do you know? I don't know why you're making this into a big deal. I mean, honestly, it'll probably be just a flashback.

The last flashback we had led to Sandman being Uncle Ben's Killer........which needless to say was a big mistake right there

[DarthDaveBanner]

I'm wondering what is making Papajohn so sure he has a role.

Does Raimi even have the script yet?

[cronosred]

If he is indeed dead and it's just a flashback, I imagine it'll be Pete going through some kind of guilt or conflicted feelings about the situation. He could just be part of a nightmare type thing where you see a few people who shaped who Spider-man is.


That's what I was thinking as well, Peter now knows that it was Flint who killed his uncle so he'll probably be feeling the guilt of letting the other guy die.

[NewYorkSpider]

People are overracting on this. It's probably just a flashback.

Another thing that it could be is Chameleon. Would be pretty interesting if that were the case.

[bullets]

The whole thing with Spider-man 3 was that everything was about forgiving at the end.
Harry , Peter , and Flint all needed to be forgiven . I don't see how this character has a
purpose to come back into Peter's life without it being tied to the new villian.

[LightningFlash]

He could be playing the Carjacker's twin brother.

Hahaha, how is that any better?

How do you know? I don't know why you're making this into a big deal. I mean, honestly, it'll probably be just a flashback.

Spider-Man 4 needs to ante up the action and story from the cluster**** of Spider-Man 3. No need for pointless flashbacks.

Another thing that it could be is Chameleon. Would be pretty interesting if that were the case.

Then Chameleon would have to know Spider-Man's identity. And that would be like the fifth villain to know it.

[Spider-Fan]

Remember the arc leading up to ASM 200? Where Mysterio had that grand plan that involved the killer of Unlce Ben?

I am officially convinced Mysterio is the villain. Sam said it would be someone very NY. New York is perceived as the grand stage, and Mysterio is the ultimate in theatrical. Which fits with NY's grand image. Plus, he has history with Unlce Ben's killer in the ASM books.

I am putting my vote in as Mysterio being the villain!

[LightningFlash]

So...he has history with Flint Marko?

I mean, you said Mysterio has history to Uncle Ben's killer...

[Spider-Fan]

:facepalm

But he does...Sinister Six :o

My money is on Mysterio. Start a thread taking bets on who the villain(s) of SM4 will be, and I'm going with Mysterio as the lead, with the Lizard potentially in the mix.

[bullets]

I'm hoping they use Mysterio

[Image]

I'm going to say Papajohn is playing Mysterio. Now, unless I'm wrong, didn't his character in Spider-Man on Ch.5 in the 90's become Mysterio??

[Spider-Fan]

Vastly underrated villain with massive cinematic potential. If he is the villain they use, and I think the NY villain clue is one that puts Mysterio on the short list of applying to, then I will be way more jazzed for this film than I ever was SM3. Mysterio was always one of my all time favorite villains :up:

[LightningFlash]

:facepalm

But he does...Sinister Six :o

So Flint Marko becomes evil again?

Hah.

[NewYorkSpider]

So Flint Marko becomes evil again?

Hah.

:huh:

It's not like that can't happen.

[The Joker]

So Flint Marko becomes evil again?

Hah.

It happened in the comics. Sandman went straight and gave up crime. He was living in this boarding house with a nice family. Doc Ock found him, and blackmailed him into rejoining the Six or he'd have the family killed.

Marko's wife and daughter could be threatened in the same fashion.

[Saint]

The overreaction here is hilarious.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Remember the arc leading up to ASM 200? Where Mysterio had that grand plan that involved the killer of Unlce Ben?

I am officially convinced Mysterio is the villain. Sam said it would be someone very NY. New York is perceived as the grand stage, and Mysterio is the ultimate in theatrical. Which fits with NY's grand image. Plus, he has history with Unlce Ben's killer in the ASM books.

I am putting my vote in as Mysterio being the villain! That's very true! I remember issue #200 (great issue), and I have to say, that would be a fun plot for a movie. Well, that particular part, anyway. :up:

[bullets]

Everyone has kind of written off Sandman but I think we should expect him to appear again.

[Spider-Fan]

I wasn't even talking about Marko :huh:

Read the issues leading up to ASM 200, and then let's have this discussion again. Since I obviously wasn't talking about Marko, we all know it, and I refuse to acknowledge this conversation about him :o

In the future if they do the SS, he may comeback. Until then, I don't see him in a villain role.

[Spider-Fan]

That's very true! I remember issue #200 (great issue), and I have to say, that would be a fun plot for a movie. Well, that particular part, anyway. :up:

ASM #200 is indeed a great issue. The issues prior are not as good, but I think this news and the NY clue allign with my theory on it being Mysterio. I think Mysterio can deliver a lot as a villain in a Spider-Man film, so if I'm right...I'm hyped!

[The Joker]

The NY clue means nothing. All Spidey's major villains, apart from Kraven, are from New York. That could mean anyone.

[NewYorkSpider]

Everyone has kind of written off Sandman but I think we should expect him to appear again.

With his lack of screen time, it wouldn't surprise me. I'm not sure if I would like it, though.

[Spider-Fan]

The NY clue means nothing. All Spidey's major villains, apart from Kraven, are from New York. That could mean anyone.

I think he did give a real clue, not just a glib one like they're from NY. He said the character was very NY. Not from NY. I think this means the clue has a somewhat deeper meaning.

I easily could be wrong. But, this is my working theory.

[Spider-Fan]

With his lack of screen time, it wouldn't surprise me. I'm not sure if I would like it, though.

I would be, cause while I don't see a retcon of SM3, I do think they'll try and distance SM4 from it to an extent. Using Sandman again or even the SS now sends no new message from SM3. I don't see Sony going this route.

[NewYorkSpider]

I would be, cause while I don't see a retcon of SM3, I do think they'll try and distance SM4 from it to an extent. Using Sandman again or even the SS now sends no new message from SM3. I don't see Sony going this route.

Maybe Sony is setting up for a SS film? If your theory of Mysterio is correct, and Lizard is in the movie, then maybe Spider-Man 5 would have Vulture/Electro. Then the SS comes together for the final movie. This of course if everyone returns for the next two films. The odds of this happening are pretty slim.

[The Joker]

I think he did give a real clue, not just a glib one like they're from NY. He said the character was very NY. Not from NY. I think this means the clue has a somewhat deeper meaning.

I easily could be wrong. But, this is my working theory.

Again, it means nothing. All of Spidey's villains are based in New York. Which one of Spidey's villains would you describe as very New York? I'd say all of 'em. They all carry out their evil deeds in New York.

As for Sandman, I don't see him returning. What else is he going to do? Steal more money for his daughter? Been there, done that. The only way I see him returning is for the Sinister Six. And that ain't happening in SM-4.

[Spider-Fan]

Maybe Sony is setting up for a SS film? If your theory of Mysterio is correct, and Lizard is in the movie, then maybe Spider-Man 5 would have Vulture/Electro. Then the SS comes together for the final movie. This of course if everyone returns for the next two films. The odds of this happening are pretty slim.

This is something I thought of, but I don't see them bringing back Sandman this film even if they're setting it up. I would think perhaps an Ock cameo or something is possible (or as I've suggested before, mention of the Master Planner), but I don't see them bringing hom back yet. I would think he'd be one of the final recruits for it, since he'd have to be somewhat forced to.

Problem with the SS is, even if they're setting it up, if they're doing it, it would have to be SM5. Cause Tobey and co will be way too old by the time SM6 films. Even SM5, he'll likely look a tad old by that point. I don't want to see Tobey looking like Roger Moore in Octopussy or A View to a Kill fighting the SS :csad:

[Gotham22]

You can't just put Uncle Benn's death in the past. If you did that then you really dont have a Spider-Man film and why Peter does what he does.

being Spider-Man

Just like Batman. Well Bruce's parents were mention in TDK but there were some elements of why Bruce does what he does.

[bullets]

That is kind of dissapointing because Raimi would pull off a good sinister six.

[The Joker]

You can't just put Uncle Benn's death in the past. If you did that then you really dont have a Spider-Man film and why Peter does what he does.

being Spider-Man

Of course you can. By all means have him and Aunt May mention Ben fondly, but we don't have to keeping reliving his death.

For example, in Spider-Man 2, one of my favourite scenes was when May tries to give Peter $20 for his birthday, and then breaks down crying because she misses Ben. One of the best Aunt May scenes in the series.

Just like Batman. Well Bruce's parents were mention in TDK but there were some elements of why Bruce does what he does.

Exactly.

Spidey can be the same.

[bullets]

Is this guy's last name really Papajohn , that's unfortunate.

[Image]

Again, it means nothing. All of Spidey's villains are based in New York. Which one of Spidey's villains would you describe as very New York? I'd say all of 'em. They all carry out their evil deeds in New York.

As for Sandman, I don't see him returning. What else is he going to do? Steal more money for his daughter? Been there, done that. The only way I see him returning is for the Sinister Six. And that ain't happening in SM-4.

Well when I read he is very NY centric I took as, despite most of Spider-Mans villains being from NY, he is talking about a certain trait that the city offers, to one of the villains, that NY is most common for. I assume Electro as he is a business man.

[The Joker]

Well when I read he is very NY centric I took as, despite most of Spider-Mans villains being from NY, he is talking about a certain trait that the city offers, to one of the villains, that NY is most common for. I assume Electro as he is a business man.

Electro was an electrician. Norman Osborn was a business man.

[Image]

I thought he was millionaire. Ah ok then thanks for the correction.

[GoldGoblin]

The original Uncle Ben killer could be Silvermane's son and before the crime boss couldn't do anything to seek his revenge,because he was too weak dying of cancer.Until he is given a new body,a cyborg body.

Now he is deadlier than he was when he was in his prime,The villain who controls all crime in New York city.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Is this guy's last name really Papajohn , that's unfortunate. Why? Is it because it has a relation to Papa Johns, lol? That's just the obvious reason.

[DACrowe]

I hope this either false or the idea is scrapped like BC, GG2 and Lizard (all at once) being in SM2 was scrapped and, regrettably, Vulture was scrapped in SM3.

Even more flashbacks of Uncle Ben's murder would be overkill and redundant as they ran that theme into the ground in SM3. I want us to move away from adolescent angst and into mature, hardened adulthood in this (hopefully final) film. I know it is just my opinion, but what is there left to mine from the Uncle Ben murder subplot. We had its classical usage in SM1, is haunting memory over Peter and Aunt May's relationship in MS2, as well as Peter's guilt for quitting being Spidey and the whole "who really killed Uncle Ben" crap and bad dreams/sore memories reopened in SM3.

I thought at the very least we established Peter is over it, to the point where he won't let it be a hollow weight around his neck. Move past this theme, please!~

[Frodo]

I wouldn't mind seeing him back if they retconned that nonsense from S3. Hell , S3 kinda discounted the 1st film , why not discount the lame choice to make Sandman Ben's killer? That's the way I see it anyway.

[Gotham22]

Of course you can. By all means have him and Aunt May mention Ben fondly, but we don't have to keeping reliving his death.

For example, in Spider-Man 2, one of my favourite scenes was when May tries to give Peter $20 for his birthday, and then breaks down crying because she misses Ben. One of the best Aunt May scenes in the series.



Exactly.

Spidey can be the same.

I guess I should have been more clearer, either if it not another flashback you have to have some kind of element about Uncle Ben's death and why it refelects of Peter's choices.

[The Joker]

you have to have some kind of element about Uncle Ben's death and why it refelects of Peter's choices.

We already know what that is: With great power comes great responsibility.

[LightningFlash]

Why? Is it because it has a relation to Papa Johns, lol? That's just the obvious reason.

Crappy-ass pizza.

And I still think this is a stupid move.

But everyone knows what I think about Sam Raimi anyways.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Crappy-ass pizza.

And I still think this is a stupid move.

But everyone knows what I think about Sam Raimi anyways.

Then why waste your time posting something. Yeesh!

[Dragon]

I thought he was millionaire. Ah ok then thanks for the correction.

That's purely a creation of James Cameron's scriptment, He changed the character's name from Max Dillion (comics) to Strand. He's never referred to as Electro, nor does he wear any costume.

[Dragon]

Who said anything about that? :huh:

Have you been reading the posts here?? 4 pages of people freaking about suggests it.

[mclay18]

That sounds interesting, to say the least. However, I don't think they'll retcon SM-3, they'll either make an additional flashback detailing who the mugger answers to or something.

[Dragon]

Hahaha, how is that any better?

I don't know. Neither do you..

[Eelectro 2]

i'd be alright just fine with him being in the movie just as long as it didnt' have anything to do with uncle ben dieing. i dont' know why they couldn't just cast another character that has nothing to do with that incident and stop making peter relive that event (had to tell aunt may about it in 2) and get past it. i'm all open for the idea of the character returning, altho i wonder why exactly thei decision has been made

[Ipodman]

Raimi did say something about being a big part of the city.. i would guess Mysterio is in Sm4. Secondary Villain is Lizard, i dont think he would want to introduce unfamaliar characters such as Cameleon...

[Wally West]

I seriously doubt they'll mess with the origin any further at this point.

Mr. Papajon is not going to score a major role in this one, If they need him for something they can't achieve with existing footage I'd say it's more than likely for a halucination or dream sequence.

[BxB402]

Watch them turn him into Rhino. lmao

[Robin91939]

It wasn't Rami who said anything about the villain.

Rami didn't know who the villain was...if he does know- it is a recent development 'cause he should have just received the script.

It was producer Todd Black who told the New York Post that: "We're just coming up with who the villain's going to be now. We'll be shooting in New York again. Trust me, people will appreciate who we pick, because it'll be a big part of New York" (June 6th, 2009).

And even then, they were allegedly "just coming up with who the villain" was going to be.

The whole "big part of New York" isn't really a bankable clue at all. It could be Lizard (the sewers), Scorpion (rooftop battles), Vulture (mid air sky battles), Hydro-Man (takes over the Hudson or something), Silvermane, Hammerhead, Kingpin (crimeboss runs city), or basically ANY OTHER VILLAIN in the mythos. Every villain has a New York background, save Kraven and Chameleon who are Russian, and few others.

This is as dumb a clue as when Thomas Haden Church said that he was a "horse of many colors" describing his character before it was revealed as The Sandman...everyone thought he was going to be The Chameleon...these clues are dumb...

We know what they want us to know. This guys role will not be any larger than it has been. He'll be in flashback form (has to cause he's dead) and it will not reveal him to be a villain.

-R

[GoldGoblin]

The Big Apple(apple as in teacher,as in Dr.Connors,as in the Lizard)...

[BxB402]

I <3 New York
Hearts
They Pump blood
Pumps...
Pumps water
Water...

It's HYDRO MAN!

:facepalm

[dark_b]

hahahaha....ha...............ha. :dry:

Atleast I'm not the one assuming that this is going to be a terrible mistake.i am reading your posts for 2 years now. not once. not f... once did you say anything negative about any movie. not even in the misc. section.
you are not 90% positive about movies. you are 100%. you like everything.

[dark_b]

It wasn't Rami who said anything about the villain.

Rami didn't know who the villain was...if he does know- it is a recent development 'cause he should have just received the script.

It was producer Todd Black who told the New York Post that: "We're just coming up with who the villain's going to be now. We'll be shooting in New York again. Trust me, people will appreciate who we pick, because it'll be a big part of New York" (June 6th, 2009).

And even then, they were allegedly "just coming up with who the villain" was going to be.

The whole "big part of New York" isn't really a bankable clue at all. It could be Lizard (the sewers), Scorpion (rooftop battles), Vulture (mid air sky battles), Hydro-Man (takes over the Hudson or something), Silvermane, Hammerhead, Kingpin (crimeboss runs city), or basically ANY OTHER VILLAIN in the mythos. Every villain has a New York background, save Kraven and Chameleon who are Russian, and few others.

This is as dumb a clue as when Thomas Haden Church said that he was a "horse of many colors" describing his character before it was revealed as The Sandman...everyone thought he was going to be The Chameleon...these clues are dumb...

We know what they want us to know. This guys role will not be any larger than it has been. He'll be in flashback form (has to cause he's dead) and it will not reveal him to be a villain.

-Rthey are writting this movie since 2008. ok? ok?
its not like a new writter is writting hes own story and is then showing the script to the studio and Raimi.

they already know who the villain is. Raimi knows it and the studio knows this.

[Eggyman]

I wouldn't read too much into this. Not one bit. It'll be some silly flashback showing Pete feeling guilty about it or something. No villain's gonna turn into him or make Spidey see sh**. It'll be another flashback resulting in Pete once again crying his lil arse off.

[snakeinthegear]

Why does Uncle Ben hae to be another foical point? I mean even the batman movies, in recent memory TDK gave his "my parents were killed in front of me" schtick a rest.
Flashbacks?? It's lazy and contributed to the mess that was SM3.
Why can't we just have an extravagant spider-man adventure, without bogging them down with poibtless derrivatives?
I really hope there's not much to this.

[FaT_tONle]

I have a hard time believing that Raimi did not know what villain they were going with months ago. I think he certainly pitched some ideas to Sony and they agreed on something shortly after signing him. I am not saying they are definitively set on one story, but I am pretty sure they have has something on paper for a while now. Just my two cents.

[luke1234]

welll, were just gonna have to wait and see.

[Eggyman]

I have a hard time believing that Raimi did not know what villain they were going with months ago. I think he certainly pitched some ideas to Sony and they agreed on something shortly after signing him. I am not saying they are definitively set on one story, but I am pretty sure they have has something on paper for a while now. Just my two cents.


I agree. He may not be writing the script, but I'm 99% sure that he's put down what and who he wants to feature in said script.

[Immortalfire]

Can we also bring back the teacher? I KID YOU NOT!

I'm all for that.

[Reikowolf]

Seems like someone knows enough about the script's completion to begin casting.

I am not sure why everyone thinks this is big news, it will most likely be another flashback.

That being said, speculation could be that this movie would be about making amends as Spidey has a lot to answer for from SM3.

It would be interesting if they introduced Jessica Carradine *The Burgler's daughter in the comics*

But that's as plausible as a retcon at this point.

I strongly believe this will just be a more elaborated flashback.

[chaseter]

I guess the best thing that could happen was the symbiote playing tricks on Peter's mind and that would retcon their retcon.

[topdog1]

Why does Uncle Ben hae to be another foical point? I mean even the batman movies, in recent memory TDK gave his "my parents were killed in front of me" schtick a rest.
Flashbacks?? It's lazy and contributed to the mess that was SM3.
Why can't we just have an extravagant spider-man adventure, without bogging them down with poibtless derrivatives?
I really hope there's not much to this.

Good point. Let's move forward.

I liked SM3 but the one thing I did hate was Flint Marko being the shooter. There was NO need for that at all. I hope they reverse that awful writing decision in SM4 or simply move forward and deliver a great, self contained story.

I trust Raimi completely. SM4 is going to be great.

[HughJackFan420]

what if Papajohn's character never died? what if he's Cletus Cassidy?

[Venom'sDad]

I don't think a serial killer would be a burglar/carjacker.

[Dragon]

I don't think a serial killer would be a burglar/carjacker.

Sure they would. Many serial killers start off in petty crime before "graduating" to murder.

[SpeterMan3]

what if Papajohn's character never died? what if he's Cletus Cassidy?
Papajohn's character's name is Dennis Carradine, if I remember correctly. Captain Stacy said it in Spider-Man 3.

[Venom'sDad]

Sure they would. Many serial killers start off in petty crime before "graduating" to murder.

I don't think serial killers start off like that... they are usually up standing.

[Wally West]

what if Papajohn's character never died? what if he's Cletus Cassidy?

If that were the case they'd recast for the role. They're not giving an actor of Papajohn's caliber a role that big.

And They aren't gonna mess with the origin further at this point. He's in this for a nightmare or halicination scene and that's it.

[co2]

If he is involved, I hope it is as a flashback.
Because the other option would mean we are talking about a villain like Chamelon or Mysterio jacking with Peter's head...and I want neither of those villains.

[Spider-ManHero12]

i am reading your posts for 2 years now. not once. not f... once did you say anything negative about any movie. not even in the misc. section.
you are not 90% positive about movies. you are 100%. you like everything. Well, dark_b, for as long as I've known you, this isn't well.....a surprise to me. I don't think you check over my posts often. I am negative about things. You see, I don't like to assume things are going to be terrible. Hear what i said about an Alien remake? I was negative about that. Predator? Negative. I have others as well. Heck, I was a bit curious at first about Michael wearing a hood in the new Halloween film, but once I saw the picture, I thought it was awesome. It's impossible to like everything (in movies), btw. I'm sure you won't believe me though.

[Venom 1988]

If he is involved, I hope it is as a flashback.
Because the other option would mean we are talking about a villain like Chamelon or Mysterio jacking with Peter's head...and I want neither of those villains.

Too bad :oldrazz:

[Immortalfire]

Sure they would. Many serial killers start off in petty crime before "graduating" to murder.

I don't think Ted Bundy stole cars, or robbed wrestling arenas.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't think a serial killer would be a burglar/carjacker. Why not?

[NewYorkSpider]

Charles Manson was a burglar before he killed.

[The Joker]

He's not Cletus Kasady.

Jesus Christ, talk about clutching at straws. Sam Raimi, with full creative control of this movie, doing Cletus Kasady?

Dream on!

[NewYorkSpider]

I think people are just trying to reach out for some hope in the villain they want. I'm 100% positive that Papajohn isn't Kasady. He's probably in the movie as a flashback. It's the only thing that makes sense.

[Spiderine]

How in the world did this thread go from the Burglar to Cletus Kassidy?

[protocida]

Flint Marko didn't kill Uncle Ben. He was convinced by him not to go foward with the robbery. Carradine came out of the building, took the gun from Flint's hand and shot Uncle Ben. Marko tried to stop him, but got hit with the gun and left behind. He wanted to help, but he wouldn't do any good to his daughter in jail, so, he left. Eye witness mixed up the confusion and tough he killed Uncle Ben. The police arrested him and gave him a hard time. Marko's fragile mind split in an more evil personality, the Sandman per se, and a lighter one, the true Marko. Sandman only shows up in moments of great anger, like the Crane Fight, and not for long periods of time. Everything Marko spend on jail made him believe he killed Uncle Ben as a shield to justify the bad things he was experiencing.

Yeah, yeah, far-fetched, but at least it cleans the mess!

[NewYorkSpider]

I really don't want SM4 to have any ties with SM3. It's in the past.

[co2]

Charles Manson was a burglar before he killed.

Manson didn't personally kill anyone. He convinced others to do it.

[NewYorkSpider]

I knew that he convinced others to do it, but I could've sworn he killed somebody.

[Spider-ManHero12]

How in the world did this thread go from the Burglar to Cletus Kassidy? Lol, don't know.

I'm curious though, since this is a new trilogy, how much will the 4th film tie itself to S-M3? Hmmmm. HOnestly, I'm thinking quite a few things, but not a ton.

[Robin91939]

I'm doubting this is a new trilogy.

Didn't Rami and Tobey only sign for films 4 and 5?

I'm thinking that they are just going to tell a two part story that will tie up the franchise.

We'll see the rise and fall of Curt Connors that has been set up. We'll see the completion of the love story between MJ and Peter...and we should be treated to a few new villains along the way.

I don't think we're going to be getting a whole new story that will last three films (like the Goblin Legacy...which was essentially the first trilogy's arc...that had a WEAK pay off).

I'm guessing Spider-man 4 and Spider-man 5 will be stories that will take place very close to one another, chronologically, and will definitely be impacted by the events of the past three films. This isn't going to be an entirely different animal here.

-R

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed. I think Connor's may get a build up this film to becoming the Lizard, and be this films Harry in SM2. Then we'll get Lizard in SM5.

I'm still thinking Mysterio for this film, with possibly another villain. But, I do kind of think Lizard is going to show up in SM5 now. Which, is a good send off for the series if they do that. Save a good villain for last.

[Venom'sDad]

Very well said Robin91939, I agree completely. :up::up::up:

[bullets]

I have no doubts there will be a spider-man 6 . I just wonder if it will be a reboot or continuation of the series

[LightningFlash]

I am negative about things.

No you're not.

[Robin91939]

I am thinking we'll see:

One or two of these villains in Spider-man 4:
Scorpion, Electro, Mysterio, Chameleon, and/or Vulture.

Spider-man 5:
Will introduce Kraven and the Lizard.


Just my feeling on where it is headed.

-R

[NewYorkSpider]

Hasn't Raimi hinted toward Electro appearing in SM4?

[Catman]

The dude's last name is Papa John. :o

[American_Hobo]

Hasn't Raimi hinted toward Electro appearing in SM4?

He did indeed, but he hinted Lizard, Vulture, Morbius, Kraven, and Sinister Six,too. (Yeah so basically everyone)
But I'm really hoping that it's Electro, or Shocker. I really want to see either Electro or Shocker in this movie.

[Dragon]

I don't think Ted Bundy stole cars, or robbed wrestling arenas.

Yeah, but The Hillside Stranglers did. Charles Manson did. Henry Lee Lucas did. The Gainesville ripper Danny Rolling was initially sought for a bank robbery until the cops learned he'd murdered five college kids. David Berkowitz engaged in arson. If you go down the ranks of serial killers many, many of them engaged in other crimes first.

Serial killers engage in theft and such not really for pursuit of money, but to act out anti-socially.

And to be clear, I couldn't care less if Papajohn was playing Kassidy. In fact I know he isn't since Raimi already said he wouldn't be using any villains that weren't created during Stan Lee's era on Spidey. I'm just clarifying a mis-statemnent. You guys really shouldn't base the truth about serial killers bon Cletus Kassiby.. He's not real.

[Eggyman]

LOL.

And lol again. Carnage...

I may come back and lol some more later.

[SpideyTheBest]

Why couldn't it have been Cletus Kasidy?

If he was, he would be dead now. :hehe:

[Spider-ManHero12]

No you're not. Yes i am. You're a troll. I'm not going to get in trouble because of you. SO, this argument is over.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm guessing Spider-man 4 and Spider-man 5 will be stories that will take place very close to one another, chronologically, and will definitely be impacted by the events of the past three films. This isn't going to be an entirely different animal here.

-R Well said. :up:

[Spider-Fan]

This Carnage idea...:facepalm

Let's use some villains who don't suck :o

[Reikowolf]

I always liked how Papajohn delivered the 'thanks' line in the first movie.

It was done with a sad desperate delivery which made the viewer somewhat sympathize with him, added with the contrast of how mean the wrestling manager acted.

[Spider-ManHero12]

This Carnage idea...:facepalm

Let's use some villains who don't suck :o I really like Carnage, but I don't think he should be used in this franchise. As I've said many times, save him for the Venom spin-off film.

[Spider-Fan]

The idea of having Carnage be the Burglar from the first movies is just kind of rediculous. If you're going to use Carnage, better can be done.

I also think Carnage is a particularly shallow character, and a character like Lizard, Mysterio, Kraven, etc. can bring more depth to a film than Carnage can. Carnage being used would tell me that this is another studio production, like Venom in SM3. Someone like Lizard or Mysterio will tell me this is Raimi's film.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I also think Carnage is a particularly shallow character, and a character like Lizard, Mysterio, Kraven, etc. can bring more depth to a film than Carnage can. Even though I think Carnage is awesome, I do agree that those Villians are better.

[Leenie]

This isn't big news for me ... Yet.

This could just be a simple flashback scene for all we know.

[TheFuture]

This isn't big news for me ... Yet.

This could just be a simple flashback scene for all we know.

Exactly. :up: It could also be a case of (if Mysterio is in it) that hallucination will force Peter to relive one of the worst moments of his life. No big deal people.:yay:

[Adrian89]

I see that some SM Fans are obsessed with characters always returning and even minor ones. Why does everyone have to return? LET IT GO already! FFS!~

I tell you what: how about every character from SM1 returns? Would be damn awesome ..............NOT!

[GoldGoblin]

It could be when the movie begins and you see images of the things that happened from previous movies,that it is just different images of the original Uncle Ben killer that we never saw before,and thats it.

[Milu]

Don't really care much for his pizza :o . . .

[SpeterMan3]

I always liked how Papajohn delivered the 'thanks' line in the first movie.

It was done with a sad desperate delivery which made the viewer somewhat sympathize with him, added with the contrast of how mean the wrestling manager acted.
I always liked that line too. Great delivery on Papajohn's part. Pun not intended.

[Catman]

Papa Johns ain't dead yet:
http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8465

[Carlo Comicus]

Oh god...

[dark_b]

can you imagine? that he would be alive and that the focus would be on this guy?
there would have to be some insane action to get me in the theater.

[UltimateJustin]

If Raimi is really planning on going back to the Uncle Ben scene to retcon away again, that is truly the worst thing for this movie. When you do something people don't like, like the SM3 Sandman/Uncle Ben retcon and plot, and tons of people are pissed about the whole thing and want you off the series but a good deal of other people just want you to start fresh and get it right next time, the worst thing you could do is TRY TO FIX IT in anyway. Just move away from it completely. Raimi is just going to dig himself further. If Papajohn is in the movie for anything other than a flashback, then I will finally believe that Rami just got lucky on SM1 and 2.

[SpideyTheBest]

Ugh to all of this.

And here I was hoping that Spider-Man 4 will be at least just as good as the first two or possibly great. The whole "Sandman killing Uncle Ben" was the thing I hated the most in Spider-Man 3.

I'm not feeling well. Either way, this is just stupid! :csad:

[UltimateJustin]

Has Raimi forgotten the first two were great based on the characters and the story of the films, and that this series does not need to constantly over-reference itself. I wonder how they are going to work "the kiss" into this one. By the time this movie comes out, the first Spiderman movie will be ten years old. Please move on.

[Eggyman]

It wouldn't be the first time an actor has made their lil role more than it is when questioned about it. I'm not worried.

[david icke]

Yeah, I thought it was possible he wasn't dead and would be back in some plot. I doubt Raimi is trying to undo the Sandman retcon, I think it'll more be along the lines of Pete being confronted by the guy, facing up to the fact he blamed the wrong guy for Ben's death, and could have maybe stopped him from dropping out that window. Strong possibility that the guy has figured out his secret ID, maybe tries to blackmail him or something.

In any case, I'll wait and see, it could be interesting and stop the plot being one of only a cops and (sympathetic)robbers scenario.

[topdog1]

If Raimi is really planning on going back to the Uncle Ben scene to retcon away again, that is truly the worst thing for this movie. When you do something people don't like, like the SM3 Sandman/Uncle Ben retcon and plot, and tons of people are pissed about the whole thing and want you off the series but a good deal of other people just want you to start fresh and get it right next time, the worst thing you could do is TRY TO FIX IT in anyway. Just move away from it completely. Raimi is just going to dig himself further. If Papajohn is in the movie for anything other than a flashback, then I will finally believe that Rami just got lucky on SM1 and 2.

I'd have to agree 100%, Raimi is just going to dig himself further unless they move away from the origins completely. You don't even need flashbacks, look forward, not backwards.

[Gallagher]

First thing I thought was maybe they're going the Spectacular Spider-Man route with the character.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Edit - already been posted.

[ND Irish]

already been posted

[The Geek Vault]

I don't know why but I see this guy as scorpion...

[Armored Avenger]

Papa Johns ain't dead yet:
http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8465

:facepalm

The Spider-Man franchise needs fresh new ideas, not more rehashing of the previous films. Spider-Man 2 and 3 kept coming back to and changing Uncle Bens death over and over again and it seems Spider-Man 4 will probably be going the same way.
I hope this guy is just really really over-exaggerating his role or that it ends up being Chameleon or Mysterio tormenting Peter.

[Spider-ManHero12]

already been posted Woops, didn't see that. Thanks. :yay:

[Spiderine]

I hope this guy is just really really over-exaggerating his role or that it ends up being Chameleon or Mysterio tormenting Peter.
I don't even like that approach since that would mean Mysterio and Chameleon knows his identity.

[Jick09]

There's chance that they'll turn him into one of the villains. I wouldn't doubt that, considering what they've done to Sandman.
If so, then they REALLY can't do a villain without being connected to Peter.

[Armored Avenger]

I don't even like that approach since that would mean Mysterio and Chameleon knows his identity.

So that means whatever happens it will be yet another rehash of the previous films - it will either be them reshowing the origin yet again and adding another dimension to it, or it would mean that a villain discovers spider-man's identity again.

[Spiderine]

So that means whatever happens it will be yet another rehash of the previous films - it will either be them reshowing the origin yet again and adding another dimension to it, or it would mean that a villain discovers spider-man's identity again.
Exactly. Which in my opinion would be unfortunate for SM4. Rehashes, retcons, repeats, reruns, whatever we all want to call it that's what it sounds like. Hopefull it isn't.

[DarkReflections]

my theory is that papajohn will still play the burgler/accused killer of uncle ben, and that he had survived the fall (which is bs i know) and that his cellmate is quentin beck. so because of that they make an alliance for a brief period in the story (just in between the beginning and middle parts) break out of jail, and carradine helps beck gets the technology he needs for his mysterio suit and to make his illusions, all of this happening up until carradine dies of a heart attack. this is what makes the most sense to me.

[Spider-ManHero12]

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[Spider-ManHero12]

What if Carradine is actually Mysterio himself?

[SpideyTheBest]

What if Carradine is actually Mysterio himself?

Then I'll shoot myself.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Then I'll shoot myself. Well, that would be bad.

Seriously though, I think Mysterio will make an illusion of Carradine. Maybe Papajohn was toying with us when he said "who said I ever died?"

[The Joker]

What if Carradine is actually Mysterio himself?

That would be bloody awful!!! Making him ANY villain is a bad idea.

Is Raimi so uncreative that he has to keep going back to Spider-Man 1 looking for scraps to make into storylines? Is Spidey's 40+ year history in multiple Spider-Man comics not enough for him?

Honestly, the more I hear about Carradine's role in SM-4, the worse it sounds.

[SpideyTheBest]

Well, that would be bad.

Seriously though, I think Mysterio will make an illusion of Carradine. Maybe Papajohn was toying with us when he said "who said I ever died?"

Yes and that means that he knows Spider-Man's identity. Which means that ALL the villains in this franchise will know his freaking identity!

I still don't understand why they will bring him back from the dead? Why not bring Doc Ock back or heck, I even prefer them to make Venom return instead of this loser that nobody really cares about.

[Spider-ManHero12]

That would be bloody awful!!! Making him ANY villain is a bad idea.

Is Raimi so uncreative that he has to keep going back to Spider-Man 1 looking for scraps to make into storylines? Is Spidey's 40+ year history in multiple Spider-Man comics not enough for him?

Honestly, the more I hear about Carradine's role in SM-4, the worse it sounds. I'm doubting he's a Villian though. Hmmmm, this is kind of hard. I mean, a flashback isn't really a possible event is it? I mean, not after what was said today. As I said, the best bet is that it's an illusion of some kind.

[Venom'sDad]

The guy is dead. <sheesh> His role will be another flashback tying him and Flint to someone or future villain... paving away for Sandman's return or something.

[UltimateJustin]

You have to think like Raimi to figure this one out. The Spider-Man movies are supposed to one-up each other every time. Everything has to be bigger, there has to be more. If you're Raimi, having Carradine return in the fourth one could result in quite an explosive forgiveness sequence, maybe even surpassing the forgiveness scenes in part three. Thus, a good movie will have been made.

[LightningFlash]

What if Carradine is actually Mysterio himself?


Haha, well. Leave it for Raimi to do that.

A pathetic flashback would be better than that I suppose.

But then a dance scene would be better than both, even though I hate to admit it.

[UltimateJustin]

MJ even referenced his death in SM-3, so maybe it will just be a Chamelion or Mysterio thing. Or a massive, pointless retcon. I'd rather Spider-Man take on The Raccoon instead of another retcon.

[samsnee]

It'll prob be a retcon. All this reminds me of when Anthony Michael Hall was cast in TDK and everyone thought he was Riddler and then turns out he was barely in the movie. So it's probably much ado about nothing. Hopefully. I mean, they can't change Parker's origin anymore, can they?

[Reikowolf]

Well it might be a way to fix a huge plot hole they created in SM3

Peter Parker is Spider-Man

Spider-Man exists because of the guilt Peter Parker felt for the death of this Uncle; had he not felt that guilt and learned the lesson about power and responsibility, he might have just become a super powered celebrity (which was incidently a What if? that ended with the death of Daredevil).

In SM3 they shifted the blame of Uncle Ben's death to Sandman.

This took away Spider-Man's guilt as he now had nothing to do with the death of his uncle. Peter was at this point driven by revenge.

At the end of the movie, Peter forgives Sandman; this takes away the want and need for revenge.

One could argue he still acts out of the memory of his uncle, but this can only go so far as he no longer has the weight of inaction on his shoulders

The comics have been very adamant about how Peter cannot take a night off or turn the other way because it could result in a death he could have prevented.

It will be interesting how this plays out.

But with what Papajohn says, it's enough to speculate a retcon at this point.

[The Joker]

What a kick in the ass it'll be to SM-3 if they are retconning Uncle Ben dying by Sandman's hand. It'll render the whole revenge/forgiveness plot Peter had with Sandman totally moot.

[chaseter]

I am quickly loosing all hopes that SM4 will be good.

[Reikowolf]

Well, you gave transformers 2 a 7/10. Rotten tomatoes has it at 21%

So based on those standards, I would say that Spider-Man 4 will be good.

Now, if compared to say.. the Dark Knight... then it has a lot to compete with.

ps. can someone tell me why the pretender (human) decipticon was necessary? and why kidnap the Witwiki's at all? it didn't help them capture Sam in anyway.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Well... I'm a little late for this party and I don't want to judge Raimi to early... (I said he deserves another chance, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt)... BUT...

Nothing about this guy returning sounds good... It'd actually sounds pretty stupid...

[Reikowolf]

I recall a few years back coming soon posting:

"Heath Ledger is the Joker"

fans went apesh!% with protest on how stupid of an idea it was.

but look where we are now.

anything could happen.

[COMPO]

well if Spider-man's driven by the fact that he could have stopped his uncle dying the fact that it wasn't his fault doesn't really change that seeing as it could have been his fault, it still could have been the robber he didn't stop that did it.

But yeah I would rather the mysterio or Chameleon just toy with Spiderman, but I would rather it be a major villain pulling their strings yet not telling them who spider-man is like GG coming back.

[luke1234]

I am quickly loosing all hopes that SM4 will be good.

dude really? there is absolutely no confirmation on anything yet.

[Venom'sDad]

yeah I would rather the mysterio or Chameleon just toy with Spiderman,

No one see how terribly flawed that would be if this was to become true. No one. :mad:

[SpideyTheBest]

I really hope that this is just one of the many tricks Mysterio will use on Spider-Man. He could, kinda like Scarecrow, use some sort of gas that personally affect Spidey and makes him go nuts. What if they are actually adapting this issue?

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9950/024lqh.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/024lqh.jpg/)

It will be great. Plus, he could torture Spider-Man with robots that looks like Doc Ock, Green Goblin and Venom and such, or Spidey just sees them when he goes nuts. If I'm right, Spider-Man 4 will be epic! But, I doubt that they are going this route but hopefully they do, because, it makes sense:

Spider-Man: He get's his powers and becomes Spider-Man.
Spider-Man 2: He gives up being Spider-Man.
Spider-Man 3: He get's a darker personality from the his new black suit, the symbiote.
Spider-Man 4: He goes crazy because someone is messing with his mind, Mysterio.

[chaseter]

Well, you gave transformers 2 a 7/10. Rotten tomatoes has it at 21%

So based on those standards, I would say that Spider-Man 4 will be good.

Now, if compared to say.. the Dark Knight... then it has a lot to compete with.

ps. can someone tell me why the pretender (human) decipticon was necessary? and why kidnap the Witwiki's at all? it didn't help them capture Sam in anyway.
I don't care what RT rates things. I only care what I think of the movie and if I was let down or enjoyed it.

Transformers is a completely different beast and movie than Spider-Man. Transformers is based off of a lame cartoon and toy line so I don't expect anything from that series. It is nothing more than a shut your brain off and watch hot girls and explosions for 2 hours movie. Spider-Man has already proven to be able to have a great movie and I was already let down with SM3 so I don't want that to happen again.

I am also not comparing this to TDK either as they are and suppose to be completely different movies and genres. Their characters and plots are way different.

There is a Transformers thread where you can ask that question and get an answer.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I really hope that this is just one of the many tricks Mysterio will use on Spider-Man. He could, kinda like Scarecrow, use some sort of gas that personally affect Spidey and makes him go nuts. What if they are actually adapting this issue?

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9950/024lqh.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/024lqh.jpg/)

It will be great. Plus, he could torture Spider-Man with robots that looks like Doc Ock, Green Goblin and Venom and such, or Spidey just sees them when he goes nuts. If I'm right, Spider-Man 4 will be epic! But, I doubt that they are going this route but hopefully they do, because, it makes sense:

Spider-Man: He get's his powers and becomes Spider-Man.
Spider-Man 2: He gives up being Spider-Man.
Spider-Man 3: He get's a darker personality from the his new black suit, the symbiote.
Spider-Man 4: He goes crazy because someone is messing with his mind, Mysterio. That's a very big possibility, if you ask me. It would make for a fantastic story as well as be a nod to us die hard fans. Great issue, btw. :up:

[bullets]

It wouldn't be the first time an actor has made their lil role more than it is when questioned about it. I'm not worried.



I really think that is what he is doing .

[COMPO]

No one see how terribly flawed that would be if this was to become true. No one. :mad:

Well what do you suggest he comes back and ends up being hydroman?

I really hope that this is just one of the many tricks Mysterio will use on Spider-Man. He could, kinda like Scarecrow, use some sort of gas that personally affect Spidey and makes him go nuts. What if they are actually adapting this issue?

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9950/024lqh.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/024lqh.jpg/)

It will be great. Plus, he could torture Spider-Man with robots that looks like Doc Ock, Green Goblin and Venom and such, or Spidey just sees them when he goes nuts. If I'm right, Spider-Man 4 will be epic! But, I doubt that they are going this route but hopefully they do, because, it makes sense:

Spider-Man: He get's his powers and becomes Spider-Man.
Spider-Man 2: He gives up being Spider-Man.
Spider-Man 3: He get's a darker personality from the his new black suit, the symbiote.
Spider-Man 4: He goes crazy because someone is messing with his mind, Mysterio.

that would be cool, what happened in that issue anyways?

That's a very big possibility, if you ask me. It would make for a fantastic story as well as be a nod to us die hard fans. Great issue, btw. :up:

its something Raimi would do

[Reikowolf]

I don't care what RT rates things. I only care what I think of the movie and if I was let down or enjoyed it.

Transformers is a completely different beast and movie than Spider-Man. Transformers is based off of a lame cartoon and toy line so I don't expect anything from that series. It is nothing more than a shut your brain off and watch hot girls and explosions for 2 hours movie. Spider-Man has already proven to be able to have a great movie and I was already let down with SM3 so I don't want that to happen again.

I am also not comparing this to TDK either as they are and suppose to be completely different movies and genres. Their characters and plots are way different.

There is a Transformers thread where you can ask that question and get an answer.

Regardless of your response, my emphasis is that it may be premature of you to lose hope for SM4 so quickly.

[Adrian89]

But yeah I would rather the mysterio or Chameleon just toy with Spiderman, but I would rather it be a major villain pulling their strings yet not telling them who spider-man is like GG coming back.
Come on, that would suck!:whatever:

Not everything you see in comics and/or cartoons can work in movies! Movies need to be more interesting and exciting and with those types of villains it just wouldn't work.

[chaseter]

Regardless of your response, my emphasis is that it may be premature of you to lose hope for SM4 so quickly.
Nah.

I have no reason to be optimistic about 4 being a great film like 2 was. I have learned my lesson on that many times over and I am tired of setting myself up for disappointment. I am going to be cautious about this film. The villian choices better be good.

[ND Irish]

*sniff* This smells way too much like Anthony Michael Hall (OMFGZ!! IT HAZ TO BE) The Riddler in TDK. Not buying it for a minute that its a major role or plot line

[thejon93]

I really hope that this is just one of the many tricks Mysterio will use on Spider-Man. He could, kinda like Scarecrow, use some sort of gas that personally affect Spidey and makes him go nuts. What if they are actually adapting this issue?

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9950/024lqh.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/024lqh.jpg/)

It will be great. Plus, he could torture Spider-Man with robots that looks like Doc Ock, Green Goblin and Venom and such, or Spidey just sees them when he goes nuts. If I'm right, Spider-Man 4 will be epic! But, I doubt that they are going this route but hopefully they do, because, it makes sense:

Spider-Man: He get's his powers and becomes Spider-Man.
Spider-Man 2: He gives up being Spider-Man.
Spider-Man 3: He get's a darker personality from the his new black suit, the symbiote.
Spider-Man 4: He goes crazy because someone is messing with his mind, Mysterio.
You know, I think that you may end up being right! Then again, I'm still thinking about what villain/comic-book of 'Spider-Man' has the most to do with a "New York" theme...

Anyhow, the one thing that I'm hopeful for... is snow. That's right, SNOW, DARNIT!!! LET IT FREEZE KIRSTEN DUNST TO MAKE WAY FOR THE REAL MARY JANE WATSON, AS THE "DUNST JANE" IS ACTUALLY REVEALED TO BE THE CHAMELEON!!! Although, that would be kinda weird... Except for the snow, of course.

[SpideyTheBest]

You know, I think that you may end up being right! Then again, I'm still thinking about what villain/comic-book of 'Spider-Man' has the most to do with a "New York" theme...

I don't think it means anything. But, if it does then I do think it means Mysterio. Mysterio will have to put out "traps" and illusions and stuff around New York to fool Spidey. I think that makes most sense if the villain is very New York centric.

Anyhow, the one thing that I'm hopeful for... is snow. That's right, SNOW, DARNIT!!! LET IT FREEZE KIRSTEN DUNST TO MAKE WAY FOR THE REAL MARY JANE WATSON, AS THE "DUNST JANE" IS ACTUALLY REVEALED TO BE THE CHAMELEON!!! Although, that would be kinda weird... Except for the snow, of course.

:hehe:

[LightningFlash]

Anymore distasteful news on this guy returning?

[SpideyTheBest]

Hope not. I hope this guy is just fooling around.

[thejon93]

Anymore distasteful news on this guy returning?
'The White House' Reports:
"We've just had a chat with Michael Papajohn and Sam Raimi [consecutively], the two confirmed the main villain for 'Spider-Man 4' to be The Big Wheel. Fans await confirmation from 'Sony'. Then hell begins!"

[UltimateJustin]

'The White House' Reports:
"We've just had a chat with Michael Papajohn and Sam Raimi [consecutively], the two confirmed the main villain for 'Spider-Man 4' to be The Big Wheel. Fans await confirmation from 'Sony'."
They're really on a roll with the villain choices.

[thejon93]

They're really on a roll with the villain choices.
I tend to agree:oldrazz:

[Leenie]

I really hope that this is just one of the many tricks Mysterio will use on Spider-Man. He could, kinda like Scarecrow, use some sort of gas that personally affect Spidey and makes him go nuts. What if they are actually adapting this issue?

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9950/024lqh.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/024lqh.jpg/)

It will be great. Plus, he could torture Spider-Man with robots that looks like Doc Ock, Green Goblin and Venom and such, or Spidey just sees them when he goes nuts. If I'm right, Spider-Man 4 will be epic! But, I doubt that they are going this route but hopefully they do, because, it makes sense:

Spider-Man: He get's his powers and becomes Spider-Man.
Spider-Man 2: He gives up being Spider-Man.
Spider-Man 3: He get's a darker personality from the his new black suit, the symbiote.
Spider-Man 4: He goes crazy because someone is messing with his mind, Mysterio.

If this becomes the storyline for Spider-Man 4 ... Then I will be an EXTREMELY happy fan.

[Venom'sDad]

Oh God NO!

[Spider-ManHero12]

Oh God NO! WHat's wrong with that? I mean, obvously, the actual story itself won't be there completely, but some aspects from it would be if they were basing it off of that.

[Venom'sDad]

I hear ya smh12, I just see Sam taking many liberties with Peter "going mad". As you know, I have very little faith in Sam. I fear he's moving more towards cheese than anything mature & serious.

I don't want to see Peter/Spidey turn out like Harry in SM3.... and Tobey is no Williem Defoe. Know what I mean.....

[LightningFlash]

WHat's wrong with that? I mean, obvously, the actual story itself won't be there completely, but some aspects from it would be if they were basing it off of that.

Because Sam Raimi will focus on comedy, that's not funny, and his kids.

He will make Mysterio into a villain that knows Spidey's identity, and Mysterio will most likely die(I vote for shards of his stupid fishbowl impaling his eyes!!!)

And a couple of dance scenes.

So, to put this into perspective, Raimi will destroy another Spidey film like he did with three and two.

:woot:

[Immortalfire]

'The White House' Reports:
"We've just had a chat with Michael Papajohn and Sam Raimi [consecutively], the two confirmed the main villain for 'Spider-Man 4' to be The Big Wheel. Fans await confirmation from 'Sony'. Then hell begins!"

Amazing :up:

[HughJackFan420]

i would like Sandman to return if that's the only reason Papajohn is returning but then again Lizard has been a villain we've been waiting for since Spidey 2 so who knows how their gonna tie in Papajohn into the next one. i can see him maybe as Cletus Cassidy after his comment "Who says I was dead?" that gives hope for him returning alive in Spidey 4 either as a villain or working for one.

[Venom'sDad]

i would like Sandman to return if that's the only reason Papajohn is returning but then again Lizard has been a villain we've been waiting for since Spidey 2 so who knows how their gonna tie in Papajohn into the next one. i can see him maybe as Cletus Cassidy after his comment "Who says I was dead?" that gives hope for him returning alive in Spidey 4 either as a villain or working for one.

I've been saying, he could tie himself & Flint to a future villain(like Kingpin), leading to a possible Sinister Six in Spidey 6.

[The Joker]

So, to put this into perspective, Raimi will destroy another Spidey film like he did with three and two.

You're wrong about Spider-Man 2. That is hailed as one of the greatest superhero flicks of all time.

So if that's your definition of destroying a Spidey movie, then I hope Raimi totally obliterates Spider-Man 4 in the same way :oldrazz:

[HughJackFan420]

I've been saying, he could tie himself & Flint to a future villain(like Kingpin), leading to a possible Sinister Six in Spidey 6.


yeah it would be a great idea and maybe we can get a Daredevil reboot to open up a tie in for Daredevil in a future Spidey flick. but this time no Ben A$$leck. make Daredevil more bad@$$ darker even.

[Octoberist]

Because Sam Raimi will focus on comedy, that's not funny, and his kids.

He will make Mysterio into a villain that knows Spidey's identity, and Mysterio will most likely die(I vote for shards of his stupid fishbowl impaling his eyes!!!)

And a couple of dance scenes.

So, to put this into perspective, Raimi will destroy another Spidey film like he did with three and two.

:woot:

It's amazing at the amount of infomation that was leaked out post-Spider-Man 3 and Raimi's involvement, and yet people will make compulsive claims like this.

[webhead731]

I highly doubt Carradine is alive. It'd be kind of...dumb. I say it's either a flashback/dream, or Chameleon.

The only possible good idea I can get out of him being alive is if Spidey finds out he's alive but he's damaged and pretty much 100% paralyzed for life. And we could have a scene with him being a real ass to Spidey.

But that's not necessary. Just the only positive I can think of if he is alive.

[Batman137]

You're wrong about Spider-Man 2. That is hailed as one of the greatest superhero flicks of all time.

So if that's your definition of destroying a Spidey movie, then I hope Raimi totally obliterates Spider-Man 4 in the same way :oldrazz:

i really don't know why people like sm2 that much. it was alright. but i thought it had the worst effects of the three movies.

[bullets]

I didn't think so . Looking back now it's easier to tell but I loved how they handled Doc Ock

[The Joker]

i really don't know why people like sm2 that much. it was alright. but i thought it had the worst effects of the three movies.

Hahahahahaha, yeah that's why it won the Academy Award for them :woot:

[Batman137]

i seriously thought SM3's and SM1 was way better than 2. whenever they would show full body of doc ock it looked so fake and not like alfred molina. I dont get it!?!?!?!!

[The Joker]

i seriously thought SM3's and SM1 was way better than 2.

I can't imagine why. Especially with part three's CGI.

whenever they would show full body of doc ock it looked so fake and not like alfred molina. I dont get it!?!?!?!!

If this looks fake to you, then you need glasses, mate:


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/molinafan/movie/28.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/molinafan/movie/59.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/molinafan/movie/86.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/molinafan/movie/153.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/molinafan/movie/181.jpg



And the most flawless CGI of all:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/molinafan/movie/187.jpg


Amazing.

There's only maybe two instances where I thought the CGI on Doc Ock looked iffy. That's when he picked up the train passengers and threw them at Spidey, and that shot of him as we see him under the reactor just as he pulls it down into the water.

[Spiderine]

Black Cat will be revealed as the Burglar's daughter.

[Spider-ManHero12]

If this looks fake to you, then you need glasses, mate:


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/molinafan/movie/28.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/molinafan/movie/59.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/molinafan/movie/86.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/molinafan/movie/153.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/molinafan/movie/181.jpg



And the most flawless CGI of all:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/molinafan/movie/187.jpg


Amazing. I second that. :up:

[Venom'sDad]

Black Cat will be revealed as the Burglar's daughter.

LOL.... yeah, he must have concieved her at 5 years old. Young player. :hehe:

[Milu]

Man, that scene with Doc Ock sinking is just so life-like it's unreal :otto: .

[Mastodon123]

Can you say Clone Saga?

[thejon93]

Can you say Clone Saga?
"Clone Sega. Cologne Saga."

Nope. Not really.

[webhead731]

All three movies have had shots that look extremely iffy, but I can't decide what effects I like better, 2 or 3. 2 had really good Ock shots, and some really good Spider-Man ones. However, 3 had Sandman who was constantly flowing and moving, Venom looking really good, and the scene with Symbiote Spidey on the side of the building which was damn near perfect. There were alot of effects and I believed 95% of them I'd say.

[NewYorkSpider]

There was a shot in SM3 where Spider-Man was swinging with MJ at the final battle that didn't look good. All of the films are well done with the CGI. Some of the shots are a bit iffy, though.

[American_Hobo]

Talking about CGI, the first SM1 really had no flaw.
I cant really think of any scene that looked fake/bad.
However, few scenes in SM2 and SM3 looked bad...(The scene where Doc Ock kidnapps MJ)

[The Joker]

Talking about CGI, the first SM1 really had no flaw.
I cant really think of any scene that looked fake/bad.

Hahaha what? Peter jumping over the rooftops, Peter going after the burglar in his wrestling costume along the walls/rooftops etc.

Awful.

SM-2's CGI was the best. Hands down. A well deserved Academy Award there.

[chaseter]

Talking about CGI, the first SM1 really had no flaw.
I cant really think of any scene that looked fake/bad.
However, few scenes in SM2 and SM3 looked bad...(The scene where Doc Ock kidnapps MJ)
When Goblin hops onto his glider at the parade after the he beats down the cops and goes after Spider-Man. The dust blowing up and the way he looks was terrible. The only bad shot in SM2 was when Ock grabs MJ as someone said. I don't see why they didn't do that practically.

[American_Hobo]

Ouch...you guys are so right.
I totally fotgot about those scenes.
Has been so long since I saw those movies, so I didnt remember so well.LOL...

[Infinity9999x]

You're wrong about Spider-Man 2. That is hailed as one of the greatest superhero flicks of all time.

So if that's your definition of destroying a Spidey movie, then I hope Raimi totally obliterates Spider-Man 4 in the same way :oldrazz:

I think it's a bit extreme to say that Raimi destroyed any SM movie, but I can sympathize with him on SM2.

I can understand why SM2 is hailed as one of the best Superhero movies out there, because when I look at it as simply a movie, it is one of the best. However, the one thing that bothers me is that three basic things.
*Mishandling the character of Spider-man
*Completely mishandling the character of MJ
*Basically ignoring the Spidey universes' supporting cast.

It's hard for me to not be irked by SM2 simply because of how Raimi simply doesn't seem to understand the major characters in the mythos. When I watch SSpidey, I see so many more things done right in that show that I wish Raimi could have gotten. Now, yes, I realize that there are some things Raimi simply can't do that SS can because they both work in different media formats, but I'm talking more about the basic handling of their main characters, and staying true to the characterizations of each of those characters, something Raimi hasn't done that well.

I think Raimi can make good movies, but I just don't think he makes the best Spider-man movies.

[Tony Stark]

The first movie had some issues, but keep in mind the kind of effects they used, had never been done before.

The second film is nearly flawless in the FX department. The train fight sequence remains my favorite Superhero fight scene of any superhero movie, and it's so good it leaves practacally all others in the dust, action wise.

The third movie was fine with the FX, although I enjoyed 2 much better. Sandman was a great villian, and the effects for him make that movie enjoyable.

[Octoberist]

I think the visual effects were okay in all three movies. Sometimes, there were parts that were questionable.

For example, the helicopthers at the end of Spider-Man 2 was bad. Why even have them in the first place?

[Spider-Fan]

All 3 movies have iffy shots, as pointed out. However, the films effects as a whole are good. Better than a lot of movies that come out now. While we have some bad shots in them, the films have far more great shots that make up for it. Better than a lot of cookie cutter, video game looking films that come out (like Star Wars Episode III).