How pissed would you be?

[TheSlag]

Smiple question.

How pissed/disappointed would you be if the villain is NOT the Lizard in SM4?

[Wiseman]

I don't really know right now. I mean I was kinda hoping for the Lizard in SM3 but now I honestly just want a good movie to make up for the last one

[SpideyTheBest]

I will be pretty happy. I don't like the Lizard THAT much.

[Spiderine]

I would be very disappointed simply because this is the next villain and story I expected to see. Dylan Baker has languished for three movies now. Being mentioned in SM1 to showing up in SM2 to actually being more involved in SM3. His character has always been interesting to me and I would finally like to see his adaptation on the big screen.

If they have a better story and villain in mind then so be it but it's time to establish Dylan Baker as a major player.

[Joker]

It depends.

If we don't get the Lizard, but get other good villains like Electro or Mysterio, then I'll be happy. However, if the Lizard is shunned for more inferior villains like Chameleon, or Kraven, or Vulture, then I'll be very pissed off.

[KurtMysterio]

Not pissed at all. I really don't see how this kind of character could carry a summer blockbuster as the villain. *shrug*

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How pissed/disappointed would you be if the villain is NOT the Lizard in SM4?I wouldn't be as pissed as Dylan Baker, that's for sure

[NewYorkSpider]

Depends on who the main villain is.

[bullets]

I'd be more pissed if they gave me the impression it was never going to happen. There should be some progression of the character in SM4 if he is not the villian.

[LightningFlash]

;17087493']I wouldn't be as pissed as Dylan Baker, that's for sure

Exactly. So many times before Spider-Man 3, Raimi gave hints about the Lizard, and then after S-M 3, we were given hints to Lizard.

I don't know about you, but maybe Dylan Baker should stop being Dr. Connors if he's given a broken promise to be Lizard for S-M 4.

[Retroman]

I'd be disappointed because he's one of the classic villains that i'd like to see make an appearance on the big screen.And as Spiderine says with how he's been gradually introduced in the films he seems well suited to be promoted from supporting character.

However if doesn't happen i won't be burning Sam Raimi effigies, jumpin off a bridge or anything like that.:hehe:

[Spider-Fan]

Depends on the villain and the story. The Lizard is a logical choice, however the NY clue makes me think it might not be him. At least not as the main villains. Like I said in another thread, I'm thinking right now it's Mysterio with the Lizard possibly playing a role.

If the Lizard is not involved at all, but Mysterio is the villain, I won't be mad. Mysterio is a great villain choice. However, like others have said, if we get Scorpion, Electro, Shocker, Rhino, etc. and no Lizard, then I'll be a bit disappionted.

[zeptron]

I would be somewhat disappointed since Connors has been seen or mentioned in all three movies. If the villain was Electro or Scorpion then I wouldn't be very upset.

[venomvsspidey]

not really pissed...just...disappointed....disheartened...

[Dark Victory]

Not mad, but a bit disappointed. They've set up Dr. Connors in the last two so it'd be nice to get the ball rolling for the character, but if other villains could be set up and executed more properly then I'm all for the Lizard not showing up.

[co2]

Depends on who the main villain is.

Yup....but honestly given the right circumstances, any villain can be a good or bad choice. It all depends on the story telling of the film.

I will admit that Lizard is my first choice. Spidey's big 3 viallains (Goblin, Ock, Venom) are already out of the way, and Lizard the best of what's left IMO.

Given the fact that...
A. Raimi likes sympathetic villains that are tied to Peter in some way,
B. We've teased him this enire time. I think even non-comic fans may have a curiosity about this one armed professor of Peter's.
...I would be surprised if 4 passed on him.

I also feel that if we use a 2nd villain in addition to Lizard, it would be unwise to pass on Kraven. It all seems like a logical next step to me.

I guess we'll see.

[Venom'sDad]

That's a good question, and quite frankly I wouldn't be pissed... I think it would not surprise me any. Spiderine & Retroman summed it up well. I just think Sam does not make those logical moves forward or progression of characters.

I would be disappointed, but not surprised either. I'm sorry, I just don't have any faith in Raimi, like others do. That's more of a disappointment for me. :(

[Spider-ManHero12]

I wouldn't be pissed at all. I really do want the Lizard in S-M4 though.

[GoldGoblin]

I would be very bummed,I was exited when he was gonna be in SM2 with Doc Ock,then disappointed when they decided to cut him out,then really disappointed when he wasn't in SM3.

[American_Hobo]

Use Electro, and I won't get disappointed at all.

[SpeterMan3]

I want the Lizard. He is my first choice, and IMO, the obvious choice. If he's not in it, I would be a little confused about why he isn't, but it wouldn't hinder my anticipation and excitemnet for the movie.

[Jick09]

That depends if the villain is still one of my favorites. If it's Scorpion, Shocker or Rhino, I'm totally cool.

[NewYorkSpider]

I don't want Shocker or Rhino. I would love to see Scorpion if Lizard isn't in the movie.

[Venom'sDad]

^ How would you use Scorpion?

[Eelectro 2]

i wouldn't be pissed necesarily depending on the villain they use. the best bet is to have lizard and kraven or whoever in 4 and 5 and 6 should be a 2 parter with the sinister 6 where we actually see mj and peter get married since they already confirmed that won't be happening in 4. if they didnt' use lizard and used somebody like scorpion or somebody that you don't have an entire story about, then it makes me wonder if it'll be as good as the others. after seeing drag me to hell by sam i have every hope he would use lizard and put some real scares in it

[Cartman Blues]

I would be surprised considering they planned on putting him in SM3. Give Curt Connors a chance!

[Reikowolf]

It would be a shame as he's already part of the movie mythos, but other than missing his arm and being a professor, not much has been shown of who he is.

They've had two huge chances in SM2 and SM3

His relationship with Ock could have afforded the Molina more screen time and his studying the symbiote was only barely touched on.

On that note, it is interesting to note that he kept a sample of it after SM3.

So long as the villain is well written, it should not matter who it is.

[luke1234]

id be moderately pissed

Dylan Baker deserves a chance.

[Eggyman]

I'd like to see Lizard, but as long as we get a good, grade A villain I wouldn't be bothered at all.

I'd be fairly pissed if they used fishbowl though. I hate that guy.

[Reikowolf]

Mysterio is underated.

his appeal has grown over the years, I remember a friend telling me how Mysterio versus Spidey has always been about how a kid plays with a poisonous insect. He creates the illusion of power, bidding his time and putting the insect in rediculous scenerios; not aware that as soon as he drops his guard, the insect could bite him and escape.

[Eggyman]

Mysterio is underated.

his appeal has grown over the years, I remember a friend telling me how Mysterio versus Spidey has always been about how a kid plays with a poisonous insect. He creates the illusion of power, bidding his time and putting the insect in rediculous scenerios; not aware that as soon as he drops his guard, the insect could bite him and escape.

That's fair enough. I just don't like him though. It's not that I'm saying he's bad in general, I'm just saying that, to me, he isn't appealing. :cwink:

[THE LIZARD#1]

I would be really REALLY sad. :( I don't even want to think about it. I've been waiting for a Lizard adaptation to the silver screen ever since 2001! That’s when they began teasing about the Lizard in the first place.

I hope this time it becomes a reality.

[American_Hobo]

Mysterio is underated.

his appeal has grown over the years, I remember a friend telling me how Mysterio versus Spidey has always been about how a kid plays with a poisonous insect. He creates the illusion of power, bidding his time and putting the insect in rediculous scenerios; not aware that as soon as he drops his guard, the insect could bite him and escape.

I also want Mysterio to be in this movie, but it's not gonna happen.
Mysterio wears his his fishbowl helmet all the time to hide his identity.
Knowing how Raimi loves to unmask every single villains (and Spiderman), Mysterio is probably not even an option to him.

[Steyin]

Wouldn't bother me at all, the Lizard bores me quite honestly. The only way I'd want him in a film is if there is another villain (not working with him or anything) that gets equal/more screen time.

[DACrowe]

Lizard is my favorite Spidey villain and I wanted to see him since SM2 and was a little purtubrbed he was not announced for SM3. But if it means he gets done poorly just to force him in, no thanks. Make a good movie first and foremost. I don't want to be a Venom fan in this case. ;)

[Eggyman]

Lizard is my favorite Spidey villain and I wanted to see him since SM2 and was a little purtubrbed he was not announced for SM3. But if it means he gets done poorly just to force him in, no thanks. Make a good movie first and foremost. I don't want to be a Venom fan in this case. ;)


Your rationality makes baby Jesus cry.

In a good way.

[Leenie]

I'll be very disappointed if Lizard isn't the villain.

[TheSlag]

I'll be very disappointed if Lizard isn't the villain.

Amen! Totally AGREE! Just add even more pissed than I already am though, IF Sam & Co mess this up.

[American_Hobo]

To me as long os they choose good villain, it doesnt matter wheter Lizard is villain or not.
But I'll be pissed if the villains get treated like how Sandman and Venom were treated.

[chiefchirpa]

Not at all. The Lizard is not going to be the main villain anyway, but just another good guy turned bad rampant in the past trilogy.

Lizard is there for the "just get over it already so fanboys can move on" thing.

[Adrian89]

I won't be pissed. Everyone says Lizard HAS to be in SM4. Well I don't think he necesarily has to be, I just want a good movie, not matter what villains there will be. They should take a good look and analyse the situation and if they can't handle Lizard, then they shouldn't bring him on the screen.

[American_Hobo]

Not at all. The Lizard is not going to be the main villain anyway, but just another good guy turned bad rampant in the past trilogy.

Lizard is there for the "just get over it already so fanboys can move on" thing.

So true.

[marvel001]

i think if the lizard would be in it, it would remind me too much of spider-man 2 with doc ock; a scientist who's experiment went wrong, and took over him, and in the end, the scientist must take control of it...yawn, i want a new, fresh story. i think they should keep connors, but leave the lizard out

[Grievous]

I would be alittle upset because I like the Lizard and I think his time has come to be in a movie.

[thejon93]

Smiple question.

How pissed/disappointed would you be if the villain is NOT the Lizard in SM4?
I'll be honest, when it comes down to it... I don't care. I may jump along board the "angry fan-bandwagon" when -----ing about the villain(s) in place of the character, but really, I won't care, until I see the movie. The trailer will find my feelings for it, while the film itself... Just give me damn good characters this time around, will ya?! With enough character development?... I love the third installment, and I always will, but when watching 'The Spectacular Spider-Man' now... That kind of quality is what I'm expecting (and hoping for) from this upcoming installment, and I'm hoping that the movie will have that style of mood and character as the show itself. But, if not, just make to the best of your "screenwriting abilities" this time around.

[Demogoblin]

I wouldnt be mad but I'd be very surprised.

[CalebYourMaster]

if they use Mysterio, Shocker, or Scorpion instead....I wouldnt care at all

[Venom'sDad]

I wouldnt be mad but I'd be very surprised.

Many would be....

[Demogoblin]

I forget who said it but supposedly we will know who the bad guy is as soon as we hear the casting. If that doesnt mean Lizard, I will be utterly surprised. They said a New York villain, too. Sounds like alligators in the sewers to me.

[HughJackFan420]

Electro!!!!!

[American_Hobo]

My thought is why would anyone be pissed about Lizard not being in this movie?
I gotta say if it's not Lizard, then it'll most likely be Electro.

[Venom'sDad]

I forget who said it but supposedly we will know who the bad guy is as soon as we hear the casting. If that doesnt mean Lizard, I will be utterly surprised. They said a New York villain, too. Sounds like alligators in the sewers to me.

I agree and feel the same way.... however, I have a suspension that Sony may have or may possibly, buy rights to Kingpin(NY Mafia). I don't know who it was either, but someone here posted a link that something like, "they may have an unexpected surprise" or something. Retro may have posted that link but agreed that could be a strong possibility. Who knows.

[HughJackFan420]

i can see linking Papajohn as a henchmen working for Kingpin in Spidey 4. For one their saying New York has something to do with the villain and at one time or another Kingpin ran New York. And it would be cool if Papajohn was actually Maxwell Dillon who turns into Electro on accident during a battle w/Spider-Man. Papajohn should already have some beef w/Spidey after Spidey 1 so no need to build his animosity towards him. Plus this would be a great way to go the Sinister 6 route.

[thejon93]

i can see linking Papajohn as a henchmen working for Kingpin in Spidey 4. For one their saying New York has something to do with the villain and at one time or another Kingpin ran New York. And it would be cool if Papajohn was actually Maxwell Dillon who turns into Electro on accident during a battle w/Spider-Man. Papajohn should already have some beef w/Spidey after Spidey 1 so no need to build his animosity towards him. Plus this would be a great way to go the Sinister 6 route.
Can't wait for the Sinister "You Killed My Uncle" Six. Featuring: Sandman ("This... is the man who killed your uncle."), Electro ("Wait! You proved us wrong on the last one, so we're guessing that it's this man... who killed your uncle."), Vulture ("This guy was Flint Marko's, nephew's, uncle's, cousin's roommate." "What does that have to do with anything?" "Absolutely something, but we haven't figured that one out yet."), Kraven the Hunter ("This man killed the radioactive spider that bit you." "What does that have to do with Uncle Ben?" "Absolutely nothing.") Doctor Octopus ("It turns out that this man, Doc Ock, was semi-responsible, also, for the death of your spider.") & Venom ("Excelsior! I'm in another movie!").

[Venom'sDad]

i can see linking Papajohn as a henchmen working for Kingpin in Spidey 4. For one their saying New York has something to do with the villain and at one time or another Kingpin ran New York. And it would be cool if Papajohn was actually Maxwell Dillon who turns into Electro on accident during a battle w/Spider-Man. Papajohn should already have some beef w/Spidey after Spidey 1 so no need to build his animosity towards him. Plus this would be a great way to go the Sinister 6 route.
OK... I see you are seeing similiar possibilities. :up:

[areeves2391]

I'd be pretty pissed.

If they incorporate Carnage, I will not see the film.

If they incorporate Mysterio and/or Vulture, and a comedy scene featuring Ultimate Shocker, I'll see it 5,000 times.

[Amon]

I won't be pissed if we don't get Lizard in the 4th. It makes sense that he'd be next, though. I still want to see Vulture, though. And Mysterio!

[Spiderine]

I don't mind seeing Vulture.

[peterparker30]

Can't wait for the Sinister "You Killed My Uncle" Six. Featuring: Sandman ("This... is the man who killed your uncle."), Electro ("Wait! You proved us wrong on the last one, so we're guessing that it's this man... who killed your uncle."), Vulture ("This guy was Flint Marko's, nephew's, uncle's, cousin's roommate." "What does that have to do with anything?" "Absolutely something, but we haven't figured that one out yet."), Kraven the Hunter ("This man killed the radioactive spider that bit you." "What does that have to do with Uncle Ben?" "Absolutely nothing.") Doctor Octopus ("It turns out that this man, Doc Ock, was semi-responsible, also, for the death of your spider.") & Venom ("Excelsior! I'm in another movie!").

Amen brother!! The thing that made me wretch the most about the abortion which was Spider-man 3 was that the Sandman was uncle Ben's killer..... and the dance scene at the jazz club.....and Topher Grace as Venom....and emo Peter...you get the picture. I would personally love to see the Scorpion in #4 but I don't think he's A-list enough to make it into a movie.

[thejon93]

Amen brother!! The thing that made me wretch the most about the abortion which was Spider-man 3 was that the Sandman was uncle Ben's killer..... and the dance scene at the jazz club.....and Topher Grace as Venom....and emo Peter...you get the picture. I would personally love to see the Scorpion in #4 but I don't think he's A-list enough to make it into a movie.
I suggest you take a look at 'The Spectacular Spider-Man' to see what they can do with "B-villains" like: The Vulture or Chameleon. Anything's possible if they get the story right. I'm just hoping that they don't try to pump-up the "epic" with this one, like they did with 'Spider-Man 3'. Just give us a simple, good story with characters that we can care about. That's all.

[SpaceWay2009]

I suggest you take a look at 'The Spectacular Spider-Man' to see what they can do with "B-villains" like: The Vulture or Chameleon. Anything's possible if they get the story right. I'm just hoping that they don't try to pump-up the "epic" with this one, like they did with 'Spider-Man 3'. Just give us a simple, good story with characters that we can care about. That's all.Yep, I agree. :yay:

[peterparker30]

I suggest you take a look at 'The Spectacular Spider-Man' to see what they can do with "B-villains" like: The Vulture or Chameleon. Anything's possible if they get the story right. I'm just hoping that they don't try to pump-up the "epic" with this one, like they did with 'Spider-Man 3'. Just give us a simple, good story with characters that we can care about. That's all.

Hey, don't get me wrong, Scorpion is one of my favorite villains and certainly is not " b-list" to me. All I'm saying is that ask the typical non-fanboy about a Spidey villain and Scorpion won't come up. And I'm sure if Arad and Ziskin keep their !@#$in noses out of ploting Spider-man 4 more than they did for 3 I'm sure Raimi can cook us up something good.