Sony & Paramount Possibly Merging

[venomvsspidey]

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/696633/A-SonyParamount-Merger-What-It-Means-For-Marvel-Movies.html

Maybe We Can See Spidey In The Avengers???

[luke1234]

What...no way lol.

[SpideyTheBest]

Spidey doesn't belong to The Avengers.

He works better as solo.

[Blackman]

I dont think Spiderman should be in the Avengers
but it'll be cool because now Marvel can set up a universe...not just Avengers in one world

[RANDOMmutant]

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/696633/A-SonyParamount-Merger-What-It-Means-For-Marvel-Movies.html

Maybe We Can See Spidey In The Avengers???

No but a cameo/reference would be nice.

[Spiderine]

I don't care to see him in Avengers.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't think we'll see him in the Avengers. Spidey was part of the New Avengers (if I remember correctly). The Avengers film will have some/most of the classic characters from the original Avengers comics. I do find this to be cool news though.

[Spider-Fan]

Spider-Man in the Avengers would be stupid as hell. However, this is interesting.

[co2]

Now THAT is interesting.

[FaT_tONle]

This would be HUGE if this happens, not just for comic book movies, but for movies. I mean all we are really talking about is Spiderman in terms of comic book movies, but this would be a bombshell for the industry. As for Spiderman in crossovers, I just don't see it for AT LEAST another eight years minimum. More like 15-20 IMHO. Don't wait on it.

[david icke]

If not Spidey, then at least they could bring in mention of the Daily Bugle reporting on an Iron-Man/Thor/ Cap/ Avengers escapade, a JJJ cameo would be amazing. He could pop up on tv saying something along the lines of 'If it wasn't bad enough having one lawless costumed freak out there now we have more appearing..'. No direct mention of spidey but we all know who he's talking about.

[FaT_tONle]

Nods are nice... but no Peter Parker cameos please. Then people will be asking "why didn't Spiderman show up to save the day?" Especially if the threat takes place in New York. That's why I am sort of happy Sony did not allow the Maguire cameo in TIH. Would have been cool, but people would be wondering why Spiderman didn't help out in the end.

[Reikowolf]

Interesting news.

Well, never say never I suppose. I think that even if this does not go through, a team-up movie could still be possible.

I think people would pay to see The Avengers team up with the X-Men.

I am aware they are different studios but Disney and WB put aside their differences to make Who framed Roger Rabbit and that worked out to the benefit of both companies.

I'm not entirely sure but doesn't WB have the worldwide ditribution rights for Sony pictures?

I may be wrong but I recall reading something about that or some other two major companies where one has the domestic rights and the other the overseas. I know that the normal practice is to have a Major backing a Minor (In the case of Fox and Fox Searchlight, where Searchlight covers any overseas production companies as an umbrella).

I think if these companies learned to work together, they could all make a lot of money.

If Paramount backs the production with Marvel Studios on helm, they could put in the initial $150M. Sony would then take over distribution rights for the additional $100. Fox can handle marketing between $20M-$50M

Paramount would then get the domestic gross, Sony the international (carrying more risk). Fox would get product rights (toys etc)

Obviously my plan probably has some holes in it, but I think if the studios really sat down, they could come to an agreement that would ensure that they all suffer minimal risk while obtaining a large profit.

[storyteller]

Well two things

1) Honestly no one will lose sleep if a cameo was made and they didnt save the day. When reading comics, no one is taken out of the story when new york is attacked and "Daredevil,Spiderman,X-men, all the 800 other heroes" arent around to help Moon Knight out.

2) Sure these studios could play with each other but then theres a reason why competition in business exists.

[Superhero 101]

Iron Man and Spiderman!! yay maybe we can see Tobey in IMII

[Immortalfire]

Interesting.

But Spidey in the Avengers? No way

[Nirvana]

No need for Spidey in the Avengers. The merge is interesting, though...

[DarkReflections]

wow. this is a really big turning point in the industry. not sure about spidey being in the avengers or iron man though.

[Batman137]

Paramount - JJ abrams :p

[chaseter]

They need to buy Fox and dismantle the corporation piece by piece:o

[Spider-ManHero12]

Interesting.

But Spidey in the Avengers? No way Yeah, it just wouldn't fit.

[Adrian89]

I dont think Spiderman should be in the Avengers

I would like him to be in Avengers. I don't really have much interest in that Movie, but Spider-Man is the most interesting Superhero in my oppinion. Of course I'm gonna watch Avengers anyway, because Robert Downey Jr. is playing Iron-Man and he is always great! But if he wouldn't have been in the movie either, I'd probably wouldn't give a damn about it. Don't care about The Avengers that much, never liked them or the idea of bringing every superhero to the big screen.

[Reikowolf]

It would be cool to see him in a cameo during an invasion type scene Where the Avengers are overwhelmed and then a group of the enemy are quickly webbed one by one from over head as the camera pans to Spider-man perched on a street light.

"Need some help? I do live here too after all. If you guys fail, then we're all done for."

You just pay Tobey for his voice and have a stuntman in the suit. That way, no need to unmask Spidey.

[SpaceWay2009]

^That would be nice to see!

[Grievous]

Paramount - JJ abrams :p
I'd rather him be working on Cloverfield 2 than anything else.

[Gamma Goliath]

Honestly I don't see how spidey could even show up in avengers. You guys know that the avengers are owned by marvel studios, with paramount distributing. Sony would still own the spidey license not marvel studios. Now if sony merged with marvel studios, spidey and whoever else sony owns could show up in a crossover. If I have things wrong, please enlighten me. ;)

[FaT_tONle]

But if Sony and Parmount merged that would mean they'd be distributing the same films, so likewise, Sony would basically be a Marvel distributor hence Spidey would basically be in Marvel's hands. At least that's what I thought even though I don't think this deal will fall through.

[HughJackFan420]

i wish Fox and Sony would merge that way we can see Kingpin in a Spidey flick but not that Michael Clarke Duncan guy. a black Kingpin? wtf?

[Sam Fisher]

Why does it matter if he's black or not?:dry:

[SpaceWay2009]

^Agreed. I don't care if he's black or white.

[thejon93]

i wish Fox and Sony would merge that way we can see Kingpin in a Spidey flick but not that Michael Clarke Duncan guy. a black Kingpin? wtf?
Skin-colour doesn't matter for a plethora of characters in the comic-book universe. Kingpin is one of them. It's his deep voice, physique and role that's matters about him as a live character in any movie he's in, in the future.

[Spider-Vader]

Yeah as long Kingpin is a big man in a white suit I'm fine.

I don't want Spidey in the first Avenger movie, but if he becomes one in a sequel I'd be fine.

[SpeterMan3]

i wish Fox and Sony would merge that way we can see Kingpin in a Spidey flick but not that Michael Clarke Duncan guy. a black Kingpin? wtf?

Why does it matter if he's black or not?:dry:

^Agreed. I don't care if he's black or white.
All I gotta say is....
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[FaT_tONle]

So perfect scenario... Marvel gets DD back at the beginning of the next fiscal year, Paramount/Sony merge... Kingpin is one of your villains in SM4... :woot:

[Casius--J]

So perfect scenario... Marvel gets DD back at the beginning of the next fiscal year, Paramount/Sony merge... Kingpin is one of your villains in SM4... :woot:

That would be so cool, interesting news this is. Will have to see what really does happen as a result in regards to the character rights.

[Minus Shock]

If this happened it would be Epic. Really Sony and Fox are the only two studios who own Marvel properties. I think if Spidey started showing up in some Marvel movies it'd put more pressure on Fox. At least I hope it would

[FaT_tONle]

No way Fox would be under pressure to merge as long as they have X-Men. That is the one property that works best in a self contained universe. Plus I doubt Marvel is rushing to incorporate the plethera of mutants out there into their current universe. Properties like DD/FF would be ideal for crossover purposes so they might be under pressure with those properties if the solo films continue to underperform.

[Minus Shock]

One can hope though. I dont necessarily want every movie to have cameos and stuff for the sake of it... granted Fox has done that in the past two movies, but I just like the option for it. I mean.. it's a long shot and I know this, but imagine what it could be like in 10 years if Marvel's property were centrally owned and there could be a Civil War Trilogy.... I know, likely hood of it is astonishing low, but I guess it'd be nice to know it could be a possibility vs. knowing for a fact that it couldn't be. Does that make sense?

[FaT_tONle]

Civil War trilogy??? Let's not go crazy. In terms of live-action features, I don't think it's a good idea to have a massive crossover featuring 50% of the Marvel Universe with the exception of Avengers movies, and even then that's nowhere NEAR the scale of a Civil War adaptation. I like the idea of maybe Spiderman popping up here, Wolverine popping up there, Reed/Thing/Human Torch/Hulk showing up every now and then. Maybe some vs. movies without getting cheezy like AvP. That way it would at least be managable to retain the same actors over a period of a decade or so. If they keep recasting the crossover concept is meaningless IMO.

[Minus Shock]

I do agree.... and I know something so grand scale would realistically never happen, but like you said, I would like the possibility of the Avengers recruiting the help of Wolverine, or Spiderman for a moment in a movie, or even feature their help in an installment or something. Thats all. I guess it would just be nice if Marvel owned all their property to me.

Hehe.... if they did a single movie like Civil War they would pay like 100 mill just on actors. Haha. Kinda scary really.

[FaT_tONle]

Spidey and Wolverine could be in a franchise together if they choose to adapt New Avengers. Still decades away, but it's something you can adapt. Marvel should first be concerned with trying to get Scarlet Witch and Quick Silver in Avengers movies before they go after Wolverine, as they are both core characters. I think the first step is to make the crossovers work with the smaller characters, Dare Devil, Punisher, Blade, etc. Then if that's successful Marvel can try to unite the big fish.

[Minus Shock]

I concur. I actually asked on another thread about when Marvel could acquire Daredevil. I would really love to see what they would do with him. And since Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver haven't been used in movies, couldn't they get the rights for them back from fox pretty easily? I don't know how that all works so.

[HughJackFan420]

Why does it matter if he's black or not?:dry:

um b/c he's white in the comics. its not a race thing but if hollywood's neglegence to detail continues like this we might see a japanese Spider-Man. we might as well have a mexican Wolverine while we're at it.

[Reikowolf]

um b/c he's white in the comics. its not a race thing but if hollywood's neglegence to detail continues like this we might see a japanese Spider-Man. we might as well have a mexican Wolverine while we're at it.

Well, we already got an Australian Wolverine and Hulk; not to mention an irish punisher and a black kingpin.


We already had a Japanese Spider-Man... he had a robot, and it was awesome.

ps. The comics have already intoduced a mexican Spider-Man (2099) and a black Nick Fury (USM, Ironman)

[Minus Shock]

And a black Catwoman. And a British Mr. Fantastic.

[thejon93]

And a black Catwoman. And a British Mr. Fantastic.
'The Spectacular Spider-Man': Liz Allan = Puerto Rican & Roderick Kingsley = Africian-American. Anything can change. Races even differ in the comic-books, as well.

[Spider-Vader]

I concur. I actually asked on another thread about when Marvel could acquire Daredevil. I would really love to see what they would do with him. And since Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver haven't been used in movies, couldn't they get the rights for them back from fox pretty easily? I don't know how that all works so.

Quicksilver has a really small cameo in Wolverine. He was the kid who was moving really fast in his cage & had white hair.

[Minus Shock]

Does it still count if they dont mention his name? They never actually say his name do they?

[venomvsspidey]

Does it still count if they dont mention his name? They never actually say his name do they?

nope.

[Sam Fisher]

um b/c he's white in the comics. its not a race thing but if hollywood's neglegence to detail continues like this we might see a japanese Spider-Man. we might as well have a mexican Wolverine while we're at it.And the character having a different skin color in the movie diminishes the character how?

[American_Hobo]

Its kind of funny how people say changing a character's race deosnt matter as long as they get right actors.
Yeah then why dont they cast a black man as Spiderman, white person as Blade?
I really dont get why people say changing a character's race is ok thing to do.
Just because they are changing all the asian characters in video game movies to white?
I'm ok with some minor or supporting characters changing their race, cause I dont really care about those characters anyway, but major characters need not to be changed. It's just stupid.

[Sam Fisher]

And I don't know why people think it isn't. Honestly I would call that racist. I ask again, how does Kingpin or Liz Allien being black change the character? How does their skin color affect their personality?

[American_Hobo]

Like I said, I'm ok with some minor/supporting characters' race being changed.
Liz Allen - Never liked that character, so I dont care.
Kingpin - Should've been white, but since they couldnt find right "white" actors to fit the roll and best option was Michael Clark Duncan, I understand.
I just dont want some of the major characters' race getting changed.
Well I guess then next thing they'll do is cast white guy as Ryu in the next Street Fighter movie. Skin color doesnt matter as long as its personality stays,right?

[Sam Fisher]

:facepalm:

[American_Hobo]

Hey my friend, youre not answering my question.
Would you be ok with all those changes?

[Sam Fisher]

I don't care about about Street Fighter so I couldn't give a rat's ass.



Skin color does not make a character. I couldn't give more of a crap if someone was black, white, brown, or whatever. As long as the character I know and love is there, that's all that matters.


Anyway, this thread is steadly derailing off topic.

[FaT_tONle]

I think the casting of MCD was more true to the comics than any white actor they could have brought in, since they deemed the size of the character the major sticking point, which made perfect sense to me. Had there been a white actor that big and that well known as MCD then it would have been a different story, or otherwise they'd need prosthetics and CGI up the ass to make a believable Kingpin. WIth the technology today maybe they could realistically pull it off. Back in 2003, it was a good hire. A damn good hire IMO.

[Minus Shock]

It's really more of the visual aesthetic.

Anyone can deny this all they want but after you read certain characters for years, or watch them in a cartoon or something you get used to seeing them one way. It's bad enough that most actors can't be as ridiculously ripped for me, but keeping the personality and losing the imagery is not enough for me. I mean if Captain America were drawn black originally, I wouldn't care, I'd be used to it. I'm used to him being white, it's how I see him in my head. That's not really racist is it? If they cast a white person as Luke Cage or Storm, people would flip out.

[HughJackFan420]

Like I said, I'm ok with some minor/supporting characters' race being changed.
Liz Allen - Never liked that character, so I dont care.
Kingpin - Should've been white, but since they couldnt find right "white" actors to fit the roll and best option was Michael Clark Duncan, I understand.
I just dont want some of the major characters' race getting changed.
Well I guess then next thing they'll do is cast white guy as Ryu in the next Street Fighter movie. Skin color doesnt matter as long as its personality stays,right?


it does matter i mean could u imagine a black Spider-Man? but besides a black Kingpin the reason why Daredevil flopped "ALSO" is b/c Ben Affleck and a horrible script just a terrible movie altogether. i'm not even gonna get into Bullseye and Elektra but one thing i did like about the movie was the chance to see another hero/heroine assist the main hero. wish we could've seen that in the Spider-Man series or in those to come. Blackcat would've been cool and they should've saved Daredevil for a Spidey flick to help him out. I would've preferred that then Green Goblin Jr.

[HughJackFan420]

It's really more of the visual aesthetic.

Anyone can deny this all they want but after you read certain characters for years, or watch them in a cartoon or something you get used to seeing them one way. It's bad enough that most actors can't be as ridiculously ripped for me, but keeping the personality and losing the imagery is not enough for me. I mean if Captain America were drawn black originally, I wouldn't care, I'd be used to it. I'm used to him being white, it's how I see him in my head. That's not really racist is it? If they cast a white person as Luke Cage or Storm, people would flip out.


my point exactly besides authenticity

[Spider-Who?]

i actually dug spidey being in the avengers for a while. since spidey is a loner, putting him in a "team" situation would be a cool character piece, not too mention he is kind of the "youngin" in the group, itd be cool to see how his smart ass handles it.

[mclay18]

Financial Times says that Paramount is in advance talks with Paramount and Fox to combine DVD production, distribution and back-office production (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/27563712-65b2-11de-8e34-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1) to save money. They would continue to operate as separate entities, and maintain their own marketing and sales operations.

So no purported movie studio merger, just a home entertainment merger. If that happens, Paramount would start releasing DVD and Blu-ray discs with color artwork again, rather than the tacky silver-gray stuff we've been getting for the past 3 years.

[SpaceWay2009]

It's really more of the visual aesthetic.

Anyone can deny this all they want but after you read certain characters for years, or watch them in a cartoon or something you get used to seeing them one way. It's bad enough that most actors can't be as ridiculously ripped for me, but keeping the personality and losing the imagery is not enough for me. I mean if Captain America were drawn black originally, I wouldn't care, I'd be used to it. I'm used to him being white, it's how I see him in my head. That's not really racist is it? If they cast a white person as Luke Cage or Storm, people would flip out.I agree. Same here.

[CaptainStacy]

Spidey in an Avengers movie? Not the first one, no....but i wouldn't mind seeing an adaption of ASM Annual #3 up on the big screen for a sequel:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/CaptainStacy/003.jpg

They wouldnt even need to hire a writer...Stan and John already have that covered. :word:

[Sarg92]

Would this merger even allow crossovers?

Marvel Studios makes Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America and The Avengers not Paramount Pictures. Paramount only market and distribute the films. Whereas Sony are the ones who have the rights to Spider-Man and they are the ones who make Spider-Man. Marvel Studios need the rights to the character to have him in their own films or Marvel and Sony can come to some sort of agreement where the character makes an appearance.

[Reikowolf]

This is all speculation but there are some things that need to happen to allow the licenses to be used in a cross over.

The merger would need to be a total merger, where in the two companies actually become one entity. Otherwise, the licensing agreement would need to exchange hands which seems unlikely.

Marvel Studios would need to come to an agreement in order to allow use rights of their characters. Sony legally owns the movie rights to Spider-Man, where Paramount only has the distribution rights to the other Marvel properties. Making it more likely for Spider-Man to show up in an Avengers movie than the other way around. (Sony is free to just allow this to happen where as Paramount and Marvel need to agree for the Avengers to be in a Spidey movie)

Most corporate mergers end in the two companies remaining seperate entities and sharing assets, or one company absorbing the other. Sony and Paramount are pretty big standing alone so it seems more likely that in the future we may see no change in logos or even a amalgamated logo

Sony/Paramount

In the instance that the two companies were to completely merge, it would call for a corporate restructuring which means that all production would come to a halt for at least a year until the companies reorganize into one entity.