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TMC1982

07-07-2009, 08:12 PM

Which channel has changed for the worst in recent years? I'm not in the mood right now in spending a whole lot of time giving forth my own personal feelings, so I just post this link (to better articulate my point of view):
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NetworkDecay (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NetworkDecay)

Fresh Prince

07-07-2009, 08:13 PM

Disney they have better shows.

Mr.Webs

07-07-2009, 08:30 PM

Easily Cartoon Network, if for just the fact that it's a CARTOON, repeat, CARTOON channel...and they've lot live action playing constantly.

And I don't care if 'Son of the Mask' is cartoony in essence...that **** don't fly by me.:cmad:

Fresh Prince

07-07-2009, 08:33 PM

Cartoon Network the wrost out the 3 for sure.

Brainiac 8

07-07-2009, 08:46 PM

Cartoon network, followed by the Tweeny channel aka Disney.

Fresh Prince

07-07-2009, 08:51 PM

Cartoon network, followed by the Tweeny channel aka Disney.

You saying Nick is better then all 3?

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Cmill216

07-07-2009, 08:54 PM

Oh, Cartoon Network. By far. Especially after the Toonami days.

Fresh Prince

07-07-2009, 09:36 PM

Oh, Cartoon Network. By far. Especially after the Toonami days.

Yeah sad how far CN sunked!:csad:

GamerSlyRatchet

07-07-2009, 10:03 PM

You saying Nick is better then all 3?

Considering they haven't changed their formula of airing a mix of live-action and animation without catering to a specific group/gender, yeah, they are probably better than Disney or CN.

Watchman

07-07-2009, 11:33 PM

Cartoon Network has Adult Swim. The other two are just black holes of crap.

Mr.Webs

07-07-2009, 11:35 PM

That is a decent argument, Watchman.:o

Watchman

07-07-2009, 11:42 PM

That is a decent argument, Watchman.:o

Who can argue against this?

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Mr.Webs

07-07-2009, 11:47 PM

That is me every morning.:o

TMC1982

07-08-2009, 02:36 AM

Considering they haven't changed their formula of airing a mix of live-action and animation without catering to a specific group/gender, yeah, they are probably better than Disney or CN.

Nick's biggest problem right now is their tendency to milk their biggest shows for all that's worth via constant marathons. They've have also stooped to trying to copy Disney's present formula (rather than doing something more original or cutting edge).

Milu

07-08-2009, 11:50 AM

Definitely Cartoon Network.

And it was my favorite, too :( .

kane9321

07-08-2009, 12:55 PM

Its no doubt cartoon network

BlackLantern

07-08-2009, 01:27 PM

Disney is just doing what it always does....and being successful at it

Fresh Prince

07-08-2009, 01:53 PM

Disney is just doing what it always does....and being successful at it

Agreed. Nick and CN copy and fail epicly.

Parker Wayne

07-15-2009, 10:50 PM

Cartoon Network has Adult Swim. The other two are just black holes of crap.

Agreed. Nuff Said.

But I think people who voted Cartoon Network probably see Adult Swim as a whole different channel. Kinda Like Noggin/The-N a few years ago before the split.

jdogg willie

07-20-2009, 04:52 PM

I watch Disney XD (a hybrid of The Disney Channel) it has Gargoyles, Aaron Stone (a surprisingly good show) Phineas & Ferb...

Parker Wayne

07-20-2009, 05:00 PM

I watch Disney XD (a hybrid of The Disney Channel) it has Gargoyles, Aaron Stone (a surprisingly good show) Phineas & Ferb...

Yeah but I assumed that channels other than the flagship channel shouldn't be included becuase they're all actually pretty good (Disney - Disney XD, CN - Boomerang, Nickelodeon - Nicktoons).

Disney XD/Boomerang/Nicktoons > Disney, CN, Nickelodeon

Soapy

07-20-2009, 06:09 PM

Agreed. Nuff Said.

But I think people who voted Cartoon Network probably see Adult Swim as a whole different channel. Kinda Like Noggin/The-N a few years ago before the split.

Cartoon Network has Adult Swim. The other two are just black holes of crap.

Actually...Adult Swim is it's own seperate network. It just shares a channel with Cartoon Network.

TheDreamMaster

07-20-2009, 11:49 PM

Cartoon Network has Adult Swim. The other two are just black holes of crap.
I agree with this. Cartoon network however has gained a lot of live action recently. Also, as an anime fan, Toonami used to be the place for that stuff, and mos tof it was pretty good. Now CN doesn't even show Naruto and it originally had a huge American push for it, not to mention the dubbing was actually decent, and the edits were pretty minimal overall. We'll probably never get Shippuden on TV now. Disney is worst in my book. I can't stand that f'ing Hannah Montana. Nickelodeon I actually miss the live action it used to have, like Pete & Pete, Salute Your Shorts, Hey Dude, and Are You Afraid of the Dark. Not to mention, Nick at Night 10 years ago was pretty awesome versus 12 episodes of George Lopez and Family Matters.

TMC1982

07-28-2009, 03:16 AM

To be more specific, this is how Television Tropes & Idioms (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NetworkDecay) explains how or why each respective network is decaying:
Nickelodeon:

Nickelodeon (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Nickelodeon). Full stop (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TVTropesWikiDrinkingGame). Over the years, the network has severely narrowed its demographic by increments. It originally prided itself as being essentially a family network, with an emphasis on programming for children in the daytime (preschoolers in the early morning on weekdays), teens in early evening, and parents at night. Now, however, most if not all of the teen and adult programming (SNICK, Nick At Nite, and the last vestiges of children's game shows, to name a few) has been dumped in favor of cartoon-y cartoons (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnimationAgeGhetto) and tween and preteen "hip" live action series (and about 12 hours of SpongeBob (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpongeBobSquarePants) reruns daily). The worst and most obvious example of this is the recent live action show on the so-called "TEENick" lineup (which retains only one or two shows about/directed towards actual teenagers), The Naked Brothers Band, which essentially is a Hannah Montana (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HannahMontana) ripoff about two 9-year-old boys. Really.

Interestingly, you can see how Nick was trying so intensely to narrow down the age of people watching the network when you look at the failure of shows like Invader Zim (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InvaderZim). And by "failure," we really mean "it was being watched primarily by teens and college kids, not the 6-11 year olds that Viacom wanted." In this troper's opinion, Avatar: The Last Airbender (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AvatarTheLastAirbender) would've gone the same way as Zim if it weren't for the fact that it was just as popular with the target age as it was with the teens (and the college kids, and the adults). Even then, the network seemed to resent the attention it got from older viewers, as new episodes came out at a snail's pace and reruns are almost never shown now that the show has ended.
Disney Channel:

The Disney Channel (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DisneyChannel) abandoned Vault Disney, The Ink and Paint Club, and most other broadcasts of classic Disney cartoons in order to turn into a preppy, suburban tween-oriented network whose M.O. seems to be "promote every last one of our child stars as the next great actor/singer/songwriter/dancer/Idol Singer (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IdolSinger)". However, this is not so much network decay as it is a reflection of what Disney itself has become in the last several years, making this more of a case of Company Decay. And admittedly, it is a very powerful marketing tool for its mother company.

Note that, before this period, the Disney Channel was arguably worse, interspersing about three hours of cartoons at 1 AM with hours and hours of QVC-type hawking of Disney merchandise (Minnie Mouse tea set, only three payments of $11.95!) and... Guns N Roses (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GunsNRoses) concerts? On Disney Channel? The worst part was that, originally, the Disney Channel was a premium cable service, like HBO (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HBO) or Cinemax, and unlike Nickelodeon, which was basic-cable from its conception — although both channels initially had a similar approach to the programming day. Then, they hit a low point in programming quality just as Nick hit a high point in The Nineties (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheNineties). The only way to stop mass cancellation of subscriptions was to move it to basic-cable. Read that again. Nickelodeon actually forced the Walt Disney Corporation to change a business model. That hardly ever happens...

Cartoon Network:

Cartoon Network (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CartoonNetwork) originally began as a showcase for classic (or at least old) Hanna Barbera (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HannaBarbera) and Warner Brothers (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LooneyTunes) cartoons. These were eventually replaced by an increasing number of original productions and anime (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Anime), with the Boomerang network taking over Cartoon Network's old role. This, however, was largely perceived as a golden age for the network. More recently, though, the network has begun focusing on live-action movies and TV shows; Out Of Jimmys Head (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OutOfJimmysHead) (billed as "Cartoon Network's first live-action series"), the live-action (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LiveActionAdaptation) Made For TV Movie (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MadeForTVMovie) of Ben 10 (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ben10), reruns of Goosebumps (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Goosebumps), etc. There were signs of improving, with Out Of Jimmys Head (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OutOfJimmysHead) and the Goosebumps reruns being cancelled, but the latter was brought back for Halloween, and then they decided to torture viewers with Batman & Robin (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BatmanAndRobin). And now, they've announcedhttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/external_link.gif (http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/190677-Upfronts_2009_Cartoon_Network_Goes_Off_Script.php? rssid=20065) a half dozen live-action reality TV shows, most of them ripoffs of adult reality shows (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FollowTheLeader) like Ghost Hunters, Battlebots, Cash Cab, Mythbusters (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mythbusters), and the like — most of them blatantly stolen from the Discovery Channel (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DiscoveryChannel) and its sister networks. This is in addition to two scripted live-action shows (as opposed to four completely new cartoons and spinoff cartoons). But what really takes the cake is that not only is it keeping the live-action programming (which has performed badly — no surprise there), but rumors have started floating around that, in autumn 2009, it will change its name to something else entirely, which will move it up to Total Abandonment (though fortunately, this rumor has been debunked for the moment by the creator of The Marvelous Misadventures Of Flapjack (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheMarvelousMisadventuresOfFlapjack)). In a sense, it's become MTV Junior.

They have just cancelled Long Runner (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LongRunner)Toonami (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Toonami), and rarely show anime anymore, with only Bleach (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Bleach) and Bakugan (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Bakugan) getting any love. People can't help feel the reason that Toonami was cancelled was due to its anime past.

There have been many rumors flying around regarding the massive reduction in anime. Although, considering that most of the programming that's been replacing it has been Western animation, it's not really a case of Network Decay (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NetworkDecay). Quality decay, however...

Considering that various shows were canceled on flimsy pretenses, when the new CEO came in, it was a matter of time.

The Question

07-28-2009, 08:18 AM

People are forgetting that Nick, which used to have a lot of really quality shows and was more interested in using good TV to entertain kids without talking down to them, has for the past couple of years been using the same formula as MTV.

TMC1982

07-28-2009, 08:30 PM

The easy difference (http://realwrestlecrap.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=offtopic&action=display&thread=217620&page=3) between the channels:
Disney is the one with the cheaply produced sitcoms.

Nick is the one that shows lots of reruns of their own cheaply produced sitcoms.

Catoon Network is the one with the loud guy sitting in a Roller Coaster screaming at some kid that just ate a cheeseburger or chili dog.

TMC1982

07-30-2009, 07:17 PM

I agree with this. Cartoon network however has gained a lot of live action recently. Also, as an anime fan, Toonami used to be the place for that stuff, and mos tof it was pretty good. Now CN doesn't even show Naruto and it originally had a huge American push for it, not to mention the dubbing was actually decent, and the edits were pretty minimal overall. We'll probably never get Shippuden on TV now. Disney is worst in my book. I can't stand that f'ing Hannah Montana. Nickelodeon I actually miss the live action it used to have, like Pete & Pete, Salute Your Shorts, Hey Dude, and Are You Afraid of the Dark. Not to mention, Nick at Night 10 years ago was pretty awesome versus 12 episodes of George Lopez and Family Matters.

Nick at Nite has strayed way too far from it's initial concept if you ask me. Nick at Nite should be airing sitcoms at least 20-25 years old. Instead, they're airing stuff like George Lopez, which debuted in this decade (the 2000s)!:whatever:

TMC1982

07-30-2009, 07:19 PM

Havok83

07-30-2009, 07:38 PM

I would definetly say Nickelodeon

Phatman

07-30-2009, 08:39 PM

Phatman

07-30-2009, 08:47 PM

Nick at Nite has strayed way too far from it's initial concept if you ask me. Nick at Nite should be airing sitcoms at least 20-25 years old. Instead, they're airing stuff like George Lopez, which debuted in this decade (the 2000s)!:whatever:

Most of these networks only buy cheap shows now. Syndicated packages of popular older programs like Fresh Prince, Roseanne, Boy Meets World and Family Matters cost a lot of money. The reason why we don't see more of these shows on cable is because of the high syndication fees that networks have to pay to air them.

George Lopez did fairly mediocre numbers in the ratings, and WB can offer it for a lower price point in their syndication packages. This is why we so much of it nowadays. Was there ever a laugh on that show?

bullets

07-30-2009, 08:59 PM

When I was 2 ..disney

When I was 12.. nick

Now...cartoon network

TMC1982

07-31-2009, 12:07 AM

Got to go with Cartoon network. Totally walked away from its mission.

Disney is still watched by kids and they primarily are still following their mission of kids/family entertainment. But they mostly do live action because that's what's appealing to kids now. Plus the shows are cheap to produce.

Nick- Don't know much about them.

But the Ultimate in Network Rot is MTV and BET. MTV has devolved into crap since 1992 and BET- That network will cost you brain cells each time you turn past it flipping channels. If you put those two up there MTV would win the Poll with BET as a close second.

In a way, yes Disney is still following their mission as being a family entertainment channel. Unfortunately, they since the early 2000s, have strayed further and further away from its core. That being, a tribute to all things Disney (a la Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Goofy, etc.). Disney Channel from say, 1983-2002 (even after it became a basic cable outlet in 1997) was a general audience outlet (meaning that adults could enjoy it for the pure nostalgia value, like from Vault Disney).

Then, enter people like Rich Ross, and Disney proceeded to completely sell out in order to be a soulless, all out trendy, tween destination. I don't even know what day of the month it is watching Disney Channel know because they keep airing the same old crap. People like Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato and Selena Gomez (and before that, Hilary Duff and Raven) have been way, way overexposed. Disney Channel now, is pretty much, an excuse to mold and build up a star through a TV show and later a music career (Disney has there own record company, Hollywood Records and Radio Disney after all).

BlackLantern

07-31-2009, 08:01 AM

and being extremely succesful at it....I'm not a fan of The Mouse, but when it comes to directing things toward a young audience, no one is as good

AntMan

07-31-2009, 08:13 AM

The only reason the Disney channel is so successful now is because they stole all of Nickelodeon's top executives.

BlackLantern

07-31-2009, 08:17 AM

The Mouse pays well, and anyone that usually gets canned from Disney ends up at Nick

AntMan

07-31-2009, 08:30 AM

My thing is, most of the people over at Disney now were responsible for greenlighting shows like Clarissa Explains It All and The Adventures of Pete and Pete, and now the best thing they can come up with is Hannah Montana?

BlackLantern

07-31-2009, 08:39 AM

well it is the most successful original program they've seen in years....if it ain't broke....

AntMan

07-31-2009, 08:44 AM

The shows on Nickelodeon in the 90s always seemed to be quirky and weird. The shows of the new millennium are to bland and conventional.

BlackLantern

07-31-2009, 08:45 AM

but if that's what kids respond to, then they're going to go with it...Hannah Montana is, as a concept, no different than something like Kids Incorporated or California Dreams

AntMan

07-31-2009, 08:54 AM

To be honest with you, I would be fine with the current direction of Nickelodeon (Nickelodeon is the only one I give a crap about.) If they had a network where I could watch the 80s and 90s shows.

PyroChamber

07-31-2009, 09:36 AM

Does Disney still do that whole 56 episode policy, where a show on Disney will have to cancel after 56 episodes?

TMC1982

07-31-2009, 11:01 AM

Does Disney still do that whole 56 episode policy, where a show on Disney will have to cancel after 56 episodes?

That's So Raven was the first show I think, to surpass the 56-65 episode policy (making 100). Kim Possible soon followed (even though, the show had to be uncancelled in the process) and more recently, The Suite Life of Zack and Cody (if you consider The Suite Life on Deck to not be a seperate show, but actually, the fourth season).

TMC1982

07-31-2009, 11:04 AM

well it is the most successful original program they've seen in years....if it ain't broke....

Hannah Montana however, contains an easily exploitable formula (i.e. to turn into a cash cow). Miley Cyrus in her Hannah alter ego (and being that Miley herself, is an actual singer), sings songs on the show, and later turns them into hit records. It's really no different than the toyetic cartoons from the 1980s (except for girls in Hannah's case).

Metamorpho1977

07-31-2009, 12:41 PM

Ted Turner shouldn't have sold TBS.

Parker Wayne

07-31-2009, 03:27 PM

John Locke

07-31-2009, 04:03 PM

Cartoon Network is the worst.

Disney- That Wizard show is actually funny and the show Phineas and Ferb

Nick- It has Spongebob and Avatar?

Cartoon Network- Has a cartoon of a reality show. Nuff Said.

SuperFerret

07-31-2009, 04:14 PM

Nickelodeon has fallen the furthest, followed by Cartoon Network. As far as I'm concerned the Disney Channel has always sucked.

The Question

07-31-2009, 04:17 PM

Nickelodeon has fallen the furthest, followed by Cartoon Network. As far as I'm concerned the Disney Channel has always sucked.

To be fair, it used to have Gargoyles.

The Question

07-31-2009, 04:18 PM

SuperFerret

07-31-2009, 04:22 PM

To be fair, it used to have Gargoyles.

So did the local networks after school.

John Locke

07-31-2009, 04:23 PM

I considered Fosters but it ended and I can't get pass a cartoon of a reality show. It just doesn't feel right. Also I heard their bringing in live reality shows.

BlackLantern

07-31-2009, 04:29 PM

To be fair, it used to have Gargoyles.

Disney XD (formerly ToonDisney) still airs Gargoyles at 4 or 430 am....occasionally at 12 or 1 am on a weekend

Etienne

07-31-2009, 04:32 PM

I still say Nickelodeon has changed for the worst in recent years. My recent post confirms Cartoon Network is realizing that "CN Real" isn't bringing in the ratings thus making some nice changes to their schedule. :up:
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=17266149&postcount=260

People are forgetting that Nick, which used to have a lot of really quality shows and was more interested in using good TV to entertain kids without talking down to them, has for the past couple of years been using the same formula as MTV.

Nickelodeon has fallen the furthest, followed by Cartoon Network. As far as I'm concerned the Disney Channel has always sucked.
Pretty much.

Phatman

08-01-2009, 08:33 PM

Definitely. I think BET worse because other than showing crappy hip-hop songs and shelling most other black artists out, they ripoff a lot of bad MTV shows (College Hill, The Hills), and have basically went to actually reinforcing stereotypes instead of straying away from. With that saying, The Black Panther animated series might change my mind :woot:.

Hey, how long has it been since this series was announced? Will it ever hit the air?

On another note:

Disney can't sell Mickey Mouse and co to an audience that's outgrown him or has never known him. Ask a kid today who Mickey Mouse or any Disney character pre-1989 (Little Mermaid) and you'll be met with :huh::huh: expressions from them. The only Disney characters people recognize instantly today are the Princesses, and Winnie-the-Pooh. This is why these characters are rarely pushed anymore.

This is why Disney was forced to re-imagine their business model with live action shows. With their animated characters aging out, they needed to create characters today's children's audience could identify with. Plus these shows are MUCH cheaper to produce than animated shows. A Raven, Hannah Montana, or a Zack and Cody costs $500,000 an episode while an episode of Gargoyles or an episode of Replacements costs $3 million an episode.

Plus the turnaround time on a live action show is a lot faster. 13-26 episodes of Zack and Cody can be filmed in 3-6 months while an 13 episodes of an animated series can take a year or longer due to complete due to the outsourcing of animation to China and filming of frames.

The only drawback is that we may see a flood of Child stars in ten years writing tell alls and complaining about how they've been typecast in the vein of Danny Bonaduce, Todd Bridges and Gary Colemans.

Steel Thunder

08-01-2009, 08:53 PM

Nickelodeon - it used to be amazing in the 90's

TMC1982

08-02-2009, 01:09 AM

Hey, how long has it been since this series was announced? Will it ever hit the air?

On another note:

Disney can't sell Mickey Mouse and co to an audience that's outgrown him or has never known him. Ask a kid today who Mickey Mouse or any Disney character pre-1989 (Little Mermaid) and you'll be met with :huh::huh: expressions from them. The only Disney characters people recognize instantly today are the Princesses, and Winnie-the-Pooh. This is why these characters are rarely pushed anymore.

This is why Disney was forced to re-imagine their business model with live action shows. With their animated characters aging out, they needed to create characters today's children's audience could identify with. Plus these shows are MUCH cheaper to produce than animated shows. A Raven, Hannah Montana, or a Zack and Cody costs $500,000 an episode while an episode of Gargoyles or an episode of Replacements costs $3 million an episode.

Plus the turnaround time on a live action show is a lot faster. 13-26 episodes of Zack and Cody can be filmed in 3-6 months while an 13 episodes of an animated series can take a year or longer due to complete due to the outsourcing of animation to China and filming of frames.

The only drawback is that we may see a flood of Child stars in ten years writing tell alls and complaining about how they've been typecast in the vein of Danny Bonaduce, Todd Bridges and Gary Colemans.

If Disney is unable to sell Mickey Mouse to kids of today, then that's there own fault, rather than the consumers. I've said it before and I'll say it agian, it's much easier in theory to market or sell Mickey Mouse than it is a real life child star like the Sprouse twins, because cartoon characters don't age. Thus, you don't have to set a timetable before having to seek out for a new breed of youngsters (like a cycle).

TMC1982

08-02-2009, 01:13 AM

Nickelodeon - it used to be amazing in the 90's

Nickelodeon in my estimation, started to go downhill in the late '90s early 2000s. I want to say it was around the time that Rugrats was brought back from its hiatus and the subsequent movie became a huge hit (the first non-Disney animated movie to make over $100 million at the box office). After that, Nick started to rely too heavily on other Klasky-Csupo type shows (almost to the point in which it was practically overtaking the channel). The All Grown Up series was a clear cut sign, that Nickelodeon was hanging on to the Rugrats franchise well past it's usefulness. I feel that they're now doing the same thing with SpongeBob.

BlackLantern

08-02-2009, 08:06 AM

Etienne

08-02-2009, 10:26 AM

but SpongeBob still brings in consistent viewers, even after a decade....TV is a fickle mistress, Kids TV is even worse...i thought 'Life and Times of Juniper Lee' was a great show, but it did not catch on
:huh: I don't think anyone is talking about viewers/ratings here as much as the quality of these shows.

BlackLantern

08-02-2009, 10:31 AM

Parker Wayne

08-02-2009, 01:17 PM

Hey, how long has it been since this series was announced? Will it ever hit the air?

Footage was shown at the San Diego Comic-Con so I guess not much longer. Maybe by late 2009/early 2010 at most.

AntMan

08-02-2009, 01:28 PM

well as kids tv is very subjective, isn't quality as well??...while I don't think SpongeBob reinvents the wheel, i find it funny and it does have a good message...plus my niece and nephew love the "Best day ever" song

I really enjoy SpongeBob, it's a very well-written and entertaining show. Most of the jokes go right over the kids' heads. It's truly the last great Nicktoon.

BlackLantern

08-02-2009, 01:36 PM

that and Fairly OddParents, which just came back after a year long hiatus

AntMan

08-02-2009, 02:30 PM

I forgot about that show! Cosmo is hilarious. If only they had more shows like these and less like Back at the Barnyard.

Jager X

08-03-2009, 07:18 AM

It looks like CNReal is failing. I noticed that Slamball, after two or three week on air, has been taken off the schedule. This is the fastes cancellation I have ever seen and is a sign of what's going on behind the scenes. Oh, and Andrew W.K looks desperate in the new CNReal plug.

Parker Wayne

08-03-2009, 03:53 PM

I wish Nick hadn't canceled Danny Phantom. I saw a lot of good things in the series.

TMC1982

08-03-2009, 06:13 PM

I would estimate that Nick's current schedule is made up like this:
*75% of SpongeBob and iCarly

*At least 20% of Penguins and True Jackson

*At least 5% of FOP

BlackLantern

08-03-2009, 06:53 PM

and a dash of Fairly OddParents

Kurosawa

08-03-2009, 07:09 PM

terry78

08-04-2009, 08:48 AM

The only thing Disney Channel shows that I may watch if it's on at like 8 or 9pm is Phineas and Ferb, which is ridiculously funny.

Parker Wayne

08-04-2009, 02:36 PM

Cartoon Network has fallen the most because of just how great it once was...at one time there was literally nothing BUT quality original cartoons on it. Disney and Nick were never on CN's level to begin with, although SBSP is an awesome show and some of Nick;s live action shows like All That were actually pretty clever as well.

Nick never on Cartoon Network's quality? I think its fair to say there was a time that both networks were on an even with each other. Nick did have SNICK, Game shows, and some pretty good nicktoons.

AnimatedFury

08-04-2009, 09:06 PM

Nick never on Cartoon Network's quality? I think its fair to say there was a time that both networks were on an even with each other. Nick did have SNICK, Game shows, and some pretty good nicktoons.
I'm not going to be a hater on any network because all three channels have at one time been really great and still today have some quality or at least amusing shows.

To me, CN never compared to early-90's Nickelodeon. Not just the masterworks like Doug, Ren & Stimpy, Rugrats and Rocko's Modern Life, but also great live-action like Salute Your Shorts, "Hey, Dude!", Clarissa Explains It All, PETE & PETE, Round House, "Are You Afraid of the Dark?" and Welcome Freshmen. I even enjoyed the cheesier than SBTB teen drama Fifteen. Nick also had a horde of great game shows like Double Dare, GUTS, Legends of the Hidden Temple, What Would You Do?, Wild and Crazy Kids and Nick Arcade. And the way Nickelodeon presented itself back then with Pete & Pete vignettes and the hosting skills of Stick Stickley, there is no contest for me.

But in the mid-90's, I really didn't care for Nick or many of its new shows (Kabloom, CatDog, Figure it Out). I don't think I got CN until like 1996 or so, and they had the great shows like Dexter's Lab and the legendary Johnny Bravo.

As far as who has fallen off the most, I don't know. Nick has had Danny Phantom, SBSP and FOP which have been decent, and CN has Ben-10 which I like for some reason, and their newer shows like Flapjack and some other crap I can't remember that I thought was funny. I guess the winner for keeping it consistent goes to Disney since all I ever really liked a whole lot was Even Stevens and Recess, and they still play that sometimes at like 4am.

Hellion

04-27-2010, 01:42 PM

Imo...Cartoon Network...canning Toonami was a big mistake imo, good memories of watching Sailor Moon way back when, and kinda watching Dragonball/Dragonball Z, and getting hooked on Naruto a few years ago...btw...why did Naruto move to Disney?...Hate the Live Action especially the one with the three guys doing experiments or breaking stuff or whatever......Most of the Cartoons are okay, or at least tolerable, happen to like Flapjack, and Adventure Time is kinda Adult Swim Lite.........I think the live action and films hurt the channel, especially some of the films they do show...I know kids who hate most of the films they decide to run............................................... ..............................but I mainly stick with Adult Swim...I need my King of the Hill Fix...

Nickelodeon: late-80s early-90s, so many memories: Clarissa Explains It All, Salute Your Shorts, Hey Dude, ...and on and on...I miss the orange couch and SNICK...as of now...I still think the programmings okay...I just hate the seeing a Spongebob or Icarly marathon every other day...Pleeasantly surprised with Tru Jackson, Big TIme Rush, THe Troop and so on...not that I watch JONAS (on disney)...but to me BTR is wayyy better...the JoBros shouldn't quit their dayjob...I notice those two are being compared...

Disney: watched a handful of shows in the mid-late 90s...of the more recent shows...the Only Programming I watched, or can remember trying to watch was Phil of the Future and that ended in 2006 IIRC.........I tried watching Aaron Stone (more of a scheduling conflict kept me from watching, I did like the show) and from the few eps I watched I thought it was pretty good...(I know its Disney XD and not Disney Channel proper...)...Kinda bummed its cancelled, supposedly to focus on more comedy themed live action shows :cmad:, at least I have itunes and youtube......Sorta like Nick...I think most of the programmins okay...

Don't really know what else to say...?

BlackLantern

04-27-2010, 03:10 PM

Hellion

04-27-2010, 03:21 PM

well the Toonami block ran for 11 years, that's twice as long as any programming block on that channel...and shows a lot of the anime went away because CN lost the rights...anime got big again and the rights were more than CN was willing to pay

Disney has always done well with their live action shows

Disney's live action is okay...I might catch a Wizards every now and then...same with Cory in the House when it was on......Suite Life too is ok, although I do get tired of it......

Happy Jack

04-28-2010, 10:08 AM

Cartoon Network was the best, but no channel has fallen quite like Nickelodeon has. If it wasn't for Spongebob Squarepants and a few other shows they would have had literally nothing going for them for the past 10+ years. It's pathetic what the place is now.

dsfjr1190

06-04-2010, 12:59 PM

Hellion

06-04-2010, 04:31 PM

The only shows I've watched on Nickelodeon lately are the Dan Schneider shows. The man is a Nickelodeon legend so I always make it a point to give his shows a chance. After all, he did have a hand in All That, Kenan & Kel, The Amanda Show, etc.

I loved Drake & Josh and wish they didn't end it so soon, iCarly seems decent enough, never cared to see Zoey 101, and Victorious is surprisingly good.

iCarly's decent...I'll always catch a repeat of Drake & Josh...I was surprised that I actually liked it...too bad I started watching when it was close to ending...

Can't get into Victorious,...agreed...never cared for Zoey 101...but for some reason I think BTR is ok...

kguillou

06-05-2010, 03:56 PM

superhero

06-05-2010, 08:25 PM

i don't like cartoon netowrk. they show the werdestcartoon now it all about boogies and snot. then they got adult swim only watched insysa and futerama when its on. i muststop watching 10 years ago. i don't like nicelodeon. ican't stand sopmge bob. i watch i carly and drak and josh when it on. they canccled dark and josh. i like the peguin i used to watch barnyard anmiles cartoons for a while i usedto watch danny photom. i download rugrats on netfliex. i might watch them tonight. what happed to the good old cartons like top cat the jetsons the flistones or doug. i rember back in the day they used to have teen nick i would watch are you afard of the dark ? all that secert world of alex mac and keen and kale. i do like true jackson vp. i always miss it. i don't like disney toomuch every now then i watch suite life on deck i like cory inthe house i like sonny with a chance.

Nick at nite and tv land
i know most of you is wondering what happend to nick at nite or tv land now insteado f showing 1950's or 1970s shows their trying to get younger people into watching their staitions so they add whats the lastest like the nanny or gergeo lopez same thing goes for TV LAND that why they air every one love raymond? now their making their own sitcome hot in cleven it comes out in june. that why tv land don't show any classic show any more their tryingto get younger people to watch them. now i mostly justwatch on dvds and now i been doing netflix is the best wayto get shows. if you get comcat you have the box irecommed checking out retero channel tv station is 217. they show the incdaible hulk, manum pi and the A-TEAM AND DRAGNET AND ADAM 12.

Hellion

06-06-2010, 01:07 PM

By far Cartoon network has gone to hell. That includes Adult Swim. I'm sorry but some of the shows on AS is just plain f***ed up. I get that its supposed to be stoner programming but damn they play some weird crap. Robot Chicken and Harvey Birdman are good tho. But on a whole CN has completely fallen from grace. This is the network that had Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, Powerpuff Girls, Space Ghost Coast to Coast, The Toonami anime blocks, Justice League, Teen Titans etc etc. Now they're doing live programs?? To me thats a clear sign that the network is in deep trouble.

Nick has fallen too but it isn't too bad these days. Sponge Bob and Fairly Odd are funny cartoons that don't insult kids' intelligence. And even tho i LOVE George Lopez, Everybody Hates Chris and Malcolm in the Middle....what the hell happened to the classic old shows Nick at Nite used to show? When i grew up in the 90's i used to watch I Love Lucy, the Dick Van Dyke show, I Dream of Geenie, Taxi, Bewitched, Happy Days etc. Please tell me I wasn't the only kid who watched all of these shows?? lol

Ditto...loved Dexter's Lab, and watched Justice League and Teen Titans religiously, CN and JL and TT almost made me switch from being a Marvel to being a DC...lol, watched Toonami, loved the Original Clone Wars Micro-Series, and of the current programming I try to catch the New Clone Wars Series When I can, along with Batman The Brave and the Bold (at first I though it was a lil too cartoony for my taste but after watching an ep it blew me away, is that still on btw) and the Super Hero Squad Show (like with Batman, thought it would be too cartoony, but love it now...Is that show still on too), I can somewhat tolerate Flapjack and that Adventure Time.........CN's live action angers me though (that Dude! one whatever its called with the guys just destroying stuff...), its the stupidest stuff.........I used to only watch Adult Swim only for Futurama, and tried to catch Sealab and Harvey Birdman and a few others when I learned of them......at least now I can catch King of the Hill, the Venture Bros., and The Boondock's................I also enjoyed SuperJail! and try to catch Robot Chicken when I can, and tried to catch some of the anime's here and there..........I can't stand the other programming and like with CN I can't stand AS's live action......

Nick's kinda meh......Spongebob's still ok, but I'm just kinda tired of it after like what 10+ years lol, myself, I miss Jimmy Neutron, and of course the classics(the early Rugrats eps, Doug, Ren & Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, AaaH! Real Monsters)...I enjoyed most of the live-action shows from a few years ago (Ned's Declassified, Drake & Josh, and Unfabulous, again I feel bad that I started watching those when they were close to ending) and really miss the live-action from my childhood (Salute Your Shorts, Hey Dude, Are You Afraid of the Dark, the original All That!, etc. etc. on and on...lol), but iCarly, True Jackson, and BigTimeRush, have grown on me......Victorious is terrible though........................Yeah Nick At Nite was great back then...I Dream of Jeannie, Bewitched, I Love Lucy...etc....even Roseanne, a few years ago......

I only really started watching Disney Channel like 6 years ago, although we would catch a few tv movies here and there over the years and I remember watching Jett Jackson, and a few older shows here and there.........the Only shows I've liked the last few years were Phil of the Future (ended to soon if you ask me) and Life With Derek...Wizards is ok, and Sonny With A Chance has grown on me.........and I hate Hannah Montana and JONAS with a passion......don't really care for the recent/current animation they do show......I miss the toons from my childhood...Ducktales, Darkwing Duck, Talespin, etc..........DisneyXD was ok (I enjoyed Aaron Stone and caught Naruto: Shippuden when I can...)...and enjoy being able to catch repeats of the Marvel cartoons...

My childhood just flashed before my eyes...:csad:

El_Citrus

06-06-2010, 01:17 PM

I miss Invader Zim so badly.

Hellion

06-06-2010, 01:23 PM

I miss Invader Zim so badly.

...Can't believe I forgot about Invader Zim :doh:!!!!

El_Citrus

06-06-2010, 01:29 PM

"Why does the soap have bacon in it?!?!"

"I made it MAH-SELF!!!"

Hellion

06-15-2010, 06:18 PM

You know what I really miss, the days of FOX Kids on Saturday Mornings...X-Men, Spider-Man, Eek-The Cat, Goosebumps,

dsfjr1190

06-15-2010, 10:09 PM

The only show I watch on Disney is Wizards of Waverly Place. Its surprisingly good.

TheDreamMaster

06-16-2010, 02:54 AM

"Why does the soap have bacon in it?!?!"

"I made it MAH-SELF!!!"

"It was ME! I was the turkey all along!"

"Yes...I was wondering why that was there."

God I miss seeing new episodes of that. Got all the DVDs, watched them a billion times.

Except for Clone wars, CN has fallen off the map for me, though the Ben 10 seasons have been a pretty decent addition to CN, being actually somewhat mature about their content. Nick is ok, but Nick At Night is atrocious. I hate George Lopez, and the rest of what they show is from like, 15 years ago. As a kid, I too watched I Love Lucy, Bewitched, The Munsters, etc. etc. TV Land barely even shows that stuff anymore, and that's exactly what that channel got created for. I don't watch Disny, though occasionally I watch DisneyXD for Naruto: Shippuden.
Can anyone tell me if Naruto: Shippuden is as uncut as CN used to allow it? Back when CN had the rights, I remember minor cursing, a still decent use of blood, and not edits to the physical violence at all. I haven't really caught any fight episodes and wanted to know, so I could eithe rpick up the DVDs or actually give the TV version a try.

TheDreamMaster

06-16-2010, 03:00 AM

Stupid laggy double post..

BlackLantern

06-16-2010, 10:20 AM

"It was ME! I was the turkey all along!"

"Yes...I was wondering why that was there."

God I miss seeing new episodes of that. Got all the DVDs, watched them a billion times.

Except for Clone wars, CN has fallen off the map for me, though the Ben 10 seasons have been a pretty decent addition to CN, being actually somewhat mature about their content. Nick is ok, but Nick At Night is atrocious. I hate George Lopez, and the rest of what they show is from like, 15 years ago. As a kid, I too watched I Love Lucy, Bewitched, The Munsters, etc. etc. TV Land barely even shows that stuff anymore, and that's exactly what that channel got created for. I don't watch Disny, though occasionally I watch DisneyXD for Naruto: Shippuden.
Can anyone tell me if Naruto: Shippuden is as uncut as CN used to allow it? Back when CN had the rights, I remember minor cursing, a still decent use of blood, and not edits to the physical violence at all. I haven't really caught any fight episodes and wanted to know, so I could eithe rpick up the DVDs or actually give the TV version a try.

TV Land (the channel) shows that stuff all the time....Last Saturday they had Bewitched on ALL DAY LONG

Hellion

06-16-2010, 11:29 PM

"It was ME! I was the turkey all along!"

"Yes...I was wondering why that was there."

God I miss seeing new episodes of that. Got all the DVDs, watched them a billion times.

Except for Clone wars, CN has fallen off the map for me, though the Ben 10 seasons have been a pretty decent addition to CN, being actually somewhat mature about their content. Nick is ok, but Nick At Night is atrocious. I hate George Lopez, and the rest of what they show is from like, 15 years ago. As a kid, I too watched I Love Lucy, Bewitched, The Munsters, etc. etc. TV Land barely even shows that stuff anymore, and that's exactly what that channel got created for. I don't watch Disny, though occasionally I watch DisneyXD for Naruto: Shippuden.
Can anyone tell me if Naruto: Shippuden is as uncut as CN used to allow it? Back when CN had the rights, I remember minor cursing, a still decent use of blood, and not edits to the physical violence at all. I haven't really caught any fight episodes and wanted to know, so I could eithe rpick up the DVDs or actually give the TV version a try.

If your gonna go with Disney...XD's the way to go...I've missed the last few eps of Naruto, not that I've been a normal viewer of Shippuden, I catch it when I can......But can you catch me up with whats going on??

Hellion

08-02-2010, 07:47 PM

its been a while since the last post so...

...all three channels (and related channels...Disney XD, Nicktoons Channels, Boomerang, etc.) have shows I enjoy, and shows I hate......CN methinks is still the weakest at the moment...

...well...CN plus Boomerang almost wants me to change my mind...

Hellion

08-03-2010, 11:45 PM

Does Disney ever release the DCOMs on dvd?

Doctor Jones

08-04-2010, 10:42 AM

Nickelodeon defnitiely. I've never seen a channel go from great to terrible in my young years. CN has Scooby Doo going and Star Wars so it gets points for that. Disney Channel has always been candy ass **** to me so I could care less about that. But Nick, Jesus.

Hellion

09-20-2010, 03:46 PM

Caught that Unnatural History on Cartoon Network...the few episodes I've seen were okay...kinda Scooby-Doo/Mystery Inc-ish...which I like...

Mace Dolex

09-21-2010, 12:55 AM

Selena Gomez on Wizards Of Waverly Place is the only reason I watch Disney channel, most of the kiddie shows are crap.

Cartoon Network had a good thing going with Toonami since I'd use to watch Dragonball Z late night.

misjuevos

09-21-2010, 08:49 PM

disney reinvented itself with disney xd. after disney bought marvel they started showing all the old 90's marvel superhero cartoons. ff,avengers,hulk,x-men, spider-man,ironman,silver surfer.they also still show gargoyles, one of my favorites.

nick just shows avatar and got old ass dbz.

cartoon network has clone wars, frankenhole and the epic soon to be canceled venture bros.

of all the 3,cartoon network has fallen the most. they stopped showing reboot, another of my favorites. they just decided to buy up all of fox's animated shows, im just wondering when the simpsons will be on cn. they really ****ed up also by losing futurama. seems like all they show weekdays are fox lineup and then a repeat of the same lineup. don't get me wrong i liked family guy and king of the hill, but i have seen all the episodes at least 6 times by now. i really miss reboot.

Hellion

05-03-2011, 11:56 PM

CN needs to lose the live-action......those reality/competition shows and scripted......stick with what they know: cartoons....they have an extensive library...Honestly with CartoonNetwork/AdultSwim and Boomerang, I think CN may have the edge...

Its a tie imo for Disney and Nick...both are kinda ushering in new cycles of shows...

Shake It Up isn't half bad actually...