Script Re-Write

[Reikowolf]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8488

Interesting.

Seems like they want this story to play to Tobey's strengths

[thejon93]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/harry_potter_and_the_half_blood_prince/

Interesting.

Seems like they want this story to play to Tobey's strengths
Hmm... 'Harry Potter's really doing well, huh?

:oldrazz:

[Reikowolf]

haha

yeah. I just fixed it.

I have a bet going whether Potter 6 will beat Transformers 2

[thejon93]

haha

yeah. I just fixed it.

I have a bet going whether Potter 6 will beat Transformers 2
Financially or critically? 'Cause "critically"... I see no surprise which of the two is gonna win [*cough* Potter *cough*].

[Reikowolf]

financially.

I didnt think Transformers would open so well, but pre-sales are giving potter a stronger forecast then transformers... we'll see

[venom892]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8488

Interesting.

Seems like they want this story to play to Tobey's strengthsTobey's strengths?Meaning more Peter less Spidey.:csad:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Hmm, Interesting. I think it's for the best if this is the 3rd writer they are going for. :up:

[Carlo Comicus]

Interesting news. Gary Ross it's a good writer and a great director. Seabiscuit and Pleasantville are two of my prefer movie. I think it's a writer with a great, classic style. Good.

[thejon93]

financially.

I didnt think Transformers would open so well, but pre-sales are giving potter a stronger forecast then transformers... we'll see
Oh, it'll beat 'Transformers'. Trust me. However, I reckon that it will be a pretty close call. However, I'm expecting these final 'Potter' movies to be big. 'Transformers' will have a strong decline in numbers come time of 'Potter's release.

Anyhow, back on topic here. This news isn't all that interesting, to me. It appears that 'Sony' wants to make this more suitable for Tobey than any of their supporting cast members, even Sam Raimi. I'm a little cautious about this film. However, I'll give it a chance. It'd be nice for them to finish off the franchise with a fifth or sixth film, to give it some closer. But, if this is the last, I'm hoping that they'll make it the best.

[THE LIZARD#1]

What exactly does a rewrite entail? Is it going through with a fine tooth comb and just picking parts out...or is it taking the concept and completely revamping it?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Ross was nominated for an Oscar, wasn't he? That's fantastic news.

[Venom'sDad]

Hmmm.... second rewrite of the original and Sam is back in the director's chair.

:dry:

Yeah....

[Batman137]

i think this is looking good actually. Sam isn't going with the first story he sees. He wants to see the best possible version. I don't mind the re-writes. I think it will actually turn out to benefit the movie.

[Spiderine]

So? Total rewrite or what? What is going on?

[JerseyJoker]

I know its going to happen, someone bashing this news, claiming ot mean Spidey 4 sucks, but if ANYONE....ANYONE thinks that films are made by just one script, or one draft, go kill yourself, cause your completely retarded.

It is just being reported, cause its a big name that is being brought in, but every film goes through rewrites. So please, fanboys, don't make complete fools of yourselves, by making claims, when you have no idea how the film process works.

[Spider-ManHero12]

i think this is looking good actually. Sam isn't going with the first story he sees. He wants to see the best possible version. I don't mind the re-writes. I think it will actually turn out to benefit the movie. My thoughts exactly. :up:

[zeptron]

I know its going to happen, someone bashing this news, claiming ot mean Spidey 4 sucks, but if ANYONE....ANYONE thinks that films are made by just one script, or one draft, go kill yourself, cause your completely retarded.


It is just being reported, cause its a big name that is being brought in, but every film goes through rewrites. So please, fanboys, don't make complete fools of yourselves, by making claims, when you have no idea how the film process works.

You may want to tell that to the people commenting on the article on the front page. There's people there making idiotic claims that the movie will suck just because of a rewrite.

[terry78]

I want Pleasantville Ross, not Seabiscuit Ross. That movie was hi-lar-ious, but actually had some depth and pathos to counteract it.

[venom892]

You may want to tell that to the people commenting on the article on the front page. There's people there making idiotic claims that the movie will suck just because of a rewrite.The people who post on the actual news on the superherohype front page scare me.They have endless stupid remarks.

[ross2287]

This guy also wrote Big. I've never seen that film but I know lots of people enjoy it.

It's too early for me to be freaking out about rewrites. I'm just excited we're getting another Spider-Man film!

[Smit84]

Anyone worried by this should remember Spider-man 2 went through multiple writers as well.

[Batman137]

i really hope we get something new and fresh, with a story you can't help but to like.

[TheWrathOfGod]

Hopefully there'll be a finished script before they start filming. Don't want any Gwen Stacy repeats like in SM3. SNAP!

[SpeterMan3]

The people who post on the actual news on the superherohype front page scare me.They have endless stupid remarks.
Totally agreed.

[Batman137]

gwen stacy? huh?

[mclay18]

The posters on the SHH! front page are just idiotic. Didn't Spider-Man 2 (one of the strongest written superhero films) have numerous rewrites? Michael Chabon, Michael Gough and Miles Millar all contributed drafts which were combined into a good shooting script by Alvin Sargent (and Ivan Raimi supposedly did uncredited on-set rewrites).

Ross has at least two different drafts of SM-4 written by Vanderbilt and Lindsay-Abaire he can work from. As to how much he'll revamp the previous drafts, it depends. He can just beef up and refine the dialogue for Tobey, rewrite different sections of the script or he can start over from scratch using cherry-picked scenes/sequences from the previous drafts.

I think people should be grateful that we have solid writers like Vanderbilt, Lindsay-Abaire and Ross working on Spider-Man 4. We could've have the "hot" ones like Orci and Kurtzman.

[terry78]

Shia would have been cast as Peter. Granted, back in the day I could have possibly seen him as Parker, but I think he looks a little TOO goofy.

[webhead731]

The posting feature on the homepage should be removed. I thought IMDB was stupid.

[TomPiltoff]

It's not like the script is being passed around in a desperate attempt to make it not suck. A good writer penned a script and several other talented writers will have refined and polished it. There's no reason not to be optimistic at this point.

[Eelectro 2]

this is great news to hear, not only is sam raimi confirmed to be directing again but the fact that they are passing the script around hopefully will make it better and better with every person that gets their turn at the idea.

now wheres the extended cut of spider-man 3??

[Casius--J]

As long as we get the best possible script for SM4 then I'm happy for it to go through as many rewrites as needed!

[mclay18]

A good writer penned a script and several other talented writers will have refined and polished it. There's no reason not to be optimistic at this point.

It doesn't always work that way (think of Terminator Salvation and Wolverine). But Raimi has creative control now, and he's working with Sony to really make this work and erase the memories of SM-3. Besides, one can look at it this way: Vanderbilt provided the foundation, Lindsay-Abaire gave it dramatic weight, and Ross is tailoring it to better fit Maguire's acting abilities.

And for those saying it doesn't have a completed script, Ross is working from at least two completed drafts (probably four if the previous two writers did a rough draft and a rewrite each). Perhaps Raimi likes the ending, but wants to make sure the rest of the script measures up to it.

[Carlo Comicus]

Anyway...is not a total rewrite. I remember the Michael Chabon script before the Sargent change. The difference was a lot. Not many.

[CalebYourMaster]

hopefully he can help make this film go back on track and feel more like SM2

[The Bruce]

Interesting.

Seems like they want this story to play to Tobey's strengths

Yahoo! The Amazing crying constipated-man!

[venom892]

Shia would have been cast as Peter. Granted, back in the day I could have possibly seen him as Parker, but I think he looks a little TOO goofy.Shia is totally wrong for the part of Peter.Totally wrong.

[Venom'sDad]

Shia is totally wrong for the part of Peter.Totally wrong.
He would have been a better fit than Tobey.

[Spider-ManHero12]

The posting feature on the homepage should be removed. I thought IMDB was stupid. I second that. :up:

[Spider-Fan]

Spider-Man 2 went through tons of rewrites by different writers, so I don't see reason to worry yet.

[SpaceWay2009]

Hm, a rewrite, huh? Hopefully, this won't take too long. Maybe a month or two.

[DarthDaveBanner]

Spider-Man 2, X2 and even the first Superman had dozens of rewrites and they are 3 of the best.

[Frodo]

Spider-Man 2 went through tons of rewrites by different writers, so I don't see reason to worry yet.

Yeah. Superman 78, Spiderman 1 and 2 all had several writers. It depends on what the finished product is.

[SpideyRacoon44]

The posters on the SHH! front page are just idiotic. Didn't Spider-Man 2 (one of the strongest written superhero films) have numerous rewrites? Michael Chabon, Michael Gough and Miles Millar all contributed drafts which were combined into a good shooting script by Alvin Sargent (and Ivan Raimi supposedly did uncredited on-set rewrites).

Ross has at least two different drafts of SM-4 written by Vanderbilt and Lindsay-Abaire he can work from. As to how much he'll revamp the previous drafts, it depends. He can just beef up and refine the dialogue for Tobey, rewrite different sections of the script or he can start over from scratch using cherry-picked scenes/sequences from the previous drafts.

I think people should be grateful that we have solid writers like Vanderbilt, Lindsay-Abaire and Ross working on Spider-Man 4. We could've have the "hot" ones like Orci and Kurtzman.
If I remember correctly, wasn't Black Cat supposed to be in it and weren't we supposed to have a young Doc Ock that was in love with mj? I'm glad we didn't get that.

I'm sure this movie will be great. It's cool that they are actually taking their time to make this movie to make it great.

[chaseter]

Oh great, another re-write:(

I want to read the first few scripts. Sometimes a re-write can be a good thing but not if they made bad choices...like writing parts for Tobey to play. Write the script and make the actor fill the role, don't change a character to fit an actor.

[Spiderine]

Hopefully they are trimming some of the worthless fat thats not needed and concentrate on the heart of the story.

[Reikowolf]

Peter Parker became confident because of Spider-Man.

Shia seems like the kid who uses humor to charm people. It may work if he was Spider-Man but not as Peter; too nerotic. Peter has always been written as a calm character who let's out emotion when he is really upset. I may be wrong though. Shia may have the range, I just have not seen it.

I think Tobey is a good Peter... his Spider-Man needs work though. He had moments in SM2 though.

"It's kind of itchy.....and it rides up in the crotch a little bit, too."

[Milu]

Tobey had some pretty amusing quips in the Spider-Man 2 game.

[Agent 194]

Maybe they'll NOT write...or have re-written any part that has him crying like a girl again. Or making ugly faces every few seconds. And write a movie that has him being Spider-Man a bit more. I'm kind of tired of Raimi saying that the movie is all about Peter Parker. It's not in my opinion.

[terry78]

i know the video game had his voice younger, but as far as Ultimate Spider-Man, I did sometimes envision him sounding like The Beef.

[Amon]

Maybe they'll NOT write...or have re-written any part that has him crying like a girl again. Or making ugly faces every few seconds. And write a movie that has him being Spider-Man a bit more. I'm kind of tired of Raimi saying that the movie is all about Peter Parker. It's not in my opinion.

Yeah... I would think that Spider-Man takes precedence over Peter Parker himself. Hopefully with the script re-writes we actually get a good movie this time around.

[Infinity9999x]

He would have been a better fit than Tobey.

I actually think Topher would have been a great Pete. He could handle the humor great.

[bullets]

Maybe they'll NOT write...or have re-written any part that has him crying like a girl again. Or making ugly faces every few seconds. And write a movie that has him being Spider-Man a bit more. I'm kind of tired of Raimi saying that the movie is all about Peter Parker. It's not in my opinion.


It's about Peter Parker just not the one we're used to.

[weezerspider]

I actually think Topher would have been a great Pete. He could handle the humor great.

He would seriously have been PERFECT, but sm3 ruined that. There's no way he can get casted as Peter in future films now. However, he was fantastic in sm3. He was the only person who did a good job.

[Venom'sDad]

I actually think Topher would have been a great Pete. He could handle the humor great.

I disagree.... Peter is more than just humorous and it appears that all Topher can do is act snobbish and humorous.

Shia have a pretty good range of emotions and characters.... he's no doubt, a character actor; and imo, can grasp the very essence and range of who the character Peter Parker/Spiderman is.

So I understand the angle you think that of Topher; but really in my eyes(ime), he's no different than Tobey. They both are limited in range. Topher can deliver the humor, Tobey, the good guy next door. Neither, have the full range neede to capture the essence of PP/Spidey.

[CalebYourMaster]

I disagree.... Peter is more than just humorous and it appears that all Topher can do is act snobbish and humorous.

Shia have a pretty good range of emotions and characters.... he's no doubt, a character actor; and imo, can grasp the very essence and range of who the character Peter Parker/Spiderman is.

So I understand the angle you think that of Topher; but really in my eyes(ime), he's no different than Tobey. They both are limited in range. Topher can deliver the humor, Tobey, the good guy next door. Neither, have the full range neede to capture the essence of PP/Spidey.
wow......Shia? IMO Shias just a lucky man with finding roles...

[omid17]

wow......Shia? IMO Shias just a lucky man with finding roles...
agreed

[Adrian89]

I think Shia is ok, he's funny sometimes, but I definetly don't see him as Parker/Spider-Man. If I had to choose a Peter Parker, I would choose Topher instead of Tobey or Shia. He can pull it off.

[zeptron]

I like Shia and I think he would have made an okay PP. But he was too young at the time to be playing someone who had just graduated from high school.

[matrix_ghost]

So now they got the seabiscuit guy rewriting the script. So it's acase of the actor determining the story as opposed to the character he should play :huh:
It'll be interesting to see just what Lindsey Abairs and James Van Der Bilts ideas were.

[SpaceWay2009]

Shia as Peter Parker? Hm, I can see that happening. He can capture the humor, sloppy, and clumsy side of Peter.

[SpeterMan3]

He would seriously have been PERFECT, but sm3 ruined that. There's no way he can get casted as Peter in future films now. However, he was fantastic in sm3. He was the only person who did a good job.
What about James Franco?



And about Shia...

I say no. He just wouldn't be good, IMO. I mean, I know his abilities, (I grew up watching Even Stevens, saw both Transformers movies, didn't see anything else with him, other than Tru Confessions [Disney Channel movie] where he played a mentally challenged kid), and I just don't think I could accept him as Parker. He's too overexposed now anyway. I don't want someone that everybody knows to play Peter/ Spidey, just because a lot of people will go in, seeing the actor and not Peter/ Spidey (especially when it's Shia).

[thejon93]

You know... I think that things are certainly looking up for this movie...
:lmao::funny:Compared to 'Green Lantern'.:funny::lmao:

[mclay18]

You know... I think that things are certainly looking up for this movie...
:lmao::funny:Compared to 'Green Lantern'.:funny::lmao:

I don't see why a lead role has anything to do with someone else rewriting SM-4. :whatever:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by Venom'sDad http://forums.superherohype.com/images/Drakon/SHHClassic/smallbuttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17161626#post17161626)
He would have been a better fit than Tobey.
I disagree.

[Venom'sDad]

wow......Shia? IMO Shias just a lucky man with finding roles...

Well.... say what you want; but, what role have Tobey or Topher been in that makes them stand out?

Shia would have been much better than Tobey; and, Topher does not even factor in.

[mclay18]

Since when did this thread devolve into a casting thread? This thread is about Gary Ross writing the latest draft of Spider-Man 4, let's keep on track please.

[LightningFlash]

Seems like they want this story to play to Tobey's strengths

And that's not much.

"Tobey, don't worry...you won't have to be built like you were in the first film as well."

[CalebYourMaster]

Well.... say what you want; but, what role have Tobey or Topher been in that makes them stand out?

Shia would have been much better than Tobey; and, Topher does not even factor in.
Pleasantville, Cider House Rules, and Wonder Boys IMO.
as for Topher....he really only stood out in SM3 apart from being funny in that 70's show...but Tobey was a way better fit than Shia IMO...

[Infinity9999x]

I disagree.... Peter is more than just humorous and it appears that all Topher can do is act snobbish and humorous.

Shia have a pretty good range of emotions and characters.... he's no doubt, a character actor; and imo, can grasp the very essence and range of who the character Peter Parker/Spiderman is.

So I understand the angle you think that of Topher; but really in my eyes(ime), he's no different than Tobey. They both are limited in range. Topher can deliver the humor, Tobey, the good guy next door. Neither, have the full range neede to capture the essence of PP/Spidey.

I disagree. Topher played the good guy next door all through That 70's show, and he could handle the humor. Not only that, but there were multiple parts in That 70's show where he had to do dramatic scenes, and he handled them fine.

He also looks the part of Pete much more than Shia does. I love Shia, but looks-wise he's just not right for the role.

[dark_b]

spiderman 2 also had more re-writtes?
or
spiderman 2 also had more rewrittes in one year?

there is a big difference.

[Spiderine]

Who were the original writers in SM2? Did they change writers?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Since when did this thread devolve into a casting thread? This thread is about Gary Ross writing the latest draft of Spider-Man 4, let's keep on track please. Yeah, I agree.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

To clarify, for those who are confused on the nature of rewrites: There's a difference between a new draft and a page one rewrite. A new draft means just that- the previous draft, but with revisions made. If I was commissioned to write a new draft, I'd be redoing clusters of dialogue, omitting scenes that would push us over budget, inserting scenes that might help the narrative along, and other minor services. Typically, a new draft is submitted by the same writer or writing team. That's why you hear of so many submissions from the Green Lantern team with no real change-ups in the writing roster.

What some are thinking of is a page one rewrite. In theory, f I had to do a page one rewrite, the only thing I'd be recycling is some plot points, locations, and characters. These only go for about 3 to 5 pages, sprinkled with some description and very little dialogue; that gets written in later during the scriptment or drafting phase. Ex: Michael Chabon's script for Spider-Man 2 is only similar to the finished film in a few beats and in character involvement. I say "in theory" because sometimes page one rewrites are done once locations are locked based on a previous draft, which is potentially disastrous. What that means is that you're not building from the ground up anymore, you're working around issues that early scouting has brought up and finessing them into the story. This became a problem during The Incredible Hulk, where Marvel Studios had to deal with having Brazil as a locked location for shooting to meet their release date.

In any case, I'd be glad there's more cooks in the kitchen after the last film. Keeping Spider-Man 3 so close to the vest led to two movies mashed into the span of one. I didn't like SM2 as much as some people did, but if you're going to make a fourth movie (still not sure you should) fresh ideas in the mix are a good thing.

[Venom'sDad]

I disagree. Topher played the good guy next door all through That 70's show, and he could handle the humor. Not only that, but there were multiple parts in That 70's show where he had to do dramatic scenes, and he handled them fine.

He also looks the part of Pete much more than Shia does. I love Shia, but looks-wise he's just not right for the role.

I think you are missing the point. 1st, Peter never was the boy next door, 2nd, both Topher & Tobey rande of characters are limited, finally, Shia has the persona of Peter just by being Shia. Besides... Tobey looks nothing like Peter Parker.

I don't know why so many hate the guy(not saying you), but he would have been a better Peter/Spidey than Tobey... and again, Topher does not even factor in. He's a goofball, and that's not Peter Parker. Look at the full range of the character and you would see that Shia fits the bill much better than those guys.

[Smit84]

Who were the original writers in SM2? Did they change writers?

Spider-man 2 went through a lot of writers and it's possible that each writer's take differed significantly from one another. I remember in 2002, after Spider-man 1 came out it seemed every other month someone else was being hired to re-write the Spider-man 2 script.

First the writing team of Al Gough and Miles Millar were hired. Smallville was just finishing its successful first season and that seemed like a good fit. Then David Koepp, who received sole writing credit on the first film (he wrote multiple drafts followed by uncredited rewrites done by Alvin Sargent and Scot Rosenberg), said he had a great idea and Sony agreed to let him do a first draft that Gough and Millar would then rewrite. According to a SHH report, Koepp's scrip focused on the continuation of the Goblin saga and introduced Gwen Stacy. This is supported by Michael Chabon's comments that early drafts featured Harry becoming the second Green Goblin and by Grant Curtis' comments on the Spider-man 3 commentary about how the Stacys "almost snuck into Spider-man 2."

Gough & Millar wrote a draft or two. They claim they came up with the idea of giving Doc Ock a wife and an inhibitor chip, and basically his whole character arc. They also said they invented the Peter/MJ/John Jameson triangle. The Black Cat also appeared in their version it seems.

Then Michael Chabon. When Spider-man 3 opened and he was asked why he didn't "save" the script like he did for Spider-man 2, he responded that he wasn't asked but he proceeded to compare Spider-man 3 to early drafts of Spider-man 2 which had Doc Ock, Black Cat, the Lizard, and Harry as the second Green Goblin. He was the first writer to feature Doc Ock as the sole villain. Unfortunately, his script still wasn't very good. His draft had certain scenes that were used in the film (the pizza delivery, the "this is heavy scene", a few others) but the story was significantly different. It has an altered version of the Spider-man no more story where Peter looses his powers by injecting a microchip into his arm.

The most signicant difference is Doc Ock, both in characterization and story. Here Doc Oc is portrayed much younger than usual and develops a crush on Mary Jane. He wears his tentacles for pleasure and only halfway through the script, during the train fight, do they bond to him. Now he is dying and he needs Spider-man's bone marrow to live. This alone is good enough reason not to use the draft.

Harry is also portrayed as a drug addict like in the comics but there is a sub plot involving him putting a bounty on Spider-man's head. Both unused storylines are the ones Avi Arad mentions on the DVD documentary.

Finally Alvin Sargent wrote the final drafts with input from Sam and Ivan Raimi using the best ideas from the various writers. Hence the final credits read "Story by Alfred Gough & Miles Millar and Michael Chabon, Screenplay by Alvin Sargent".

[SpeterMan3]

They should let me do a rewrite.

[DCnightwing23]

Ive lost all hope for SM4. Its most likely either gonna bomb in the Box Office or not even get made.

[Infinity9999x]

I think you are missing the point. 1st, Peter never was the boy next door, 2nd, both Topher & Tobey rande of characters are limited, finally, Shia has the persona of Peter just by being Shia. Besides... Tobey looks nothing like Peter Parker.
Not to be rude, but the bolded portion alone shows that you don't really understand the character of Spider-man. Stan Lee has specifically stated that he created Peter to be the "guy next door." He wanted him to be the average-joe character that his readers could relate to. Not an orphaned billionaire or an alien from another planet. A normal guy.

And Tobey and Topher both look more like Pete than Shia does. Again, I'm not hating on Shia. I'm one of the few people that actually liked him in Indy 4, but looks-wise he's just not the right look for Peter Parker, and while I don't doubt that he could play the humor, his humour is a bit too punkish, if you can understand that. Topher's humor on 70's show fit the character much more in my opinion.

I don't know why so many hate the guy(not saying you), but he would have been a better Peter/Spidey than Tobey... and again, Topher does not even factor in. He's a goofball, and that's not Peter Parker. Look at the full range of the character and you would see that Shia fits the bill much better than those guys.

....Again, I'm not sure you understand the character of Spider-man. Spider-man is a very funny character, and the quick wit is exactly the kind of humor Topher had on that 70's show. And Pete has always been a bit of a goofball. At heart, Pete's a dorky guy.

[Spiderine]

Spider-man 2 went through a lot of writers and it's possible that each writer's take differed significantly from one another. I remember in 2002, after Spider-man 1 came out it seemed every other month someone else was being hired to re-write the Spider-man 2 script.

First the writing team of Al Gough and Miles Millar were hired. Smallville was just finishing its successful first season and that seemed like a good fit. Then David Koepp, who received sole writing credit on the first film (he wrote multiple drafts followed by uncredited rewrites done by Alvin Sargent and Scot Rosenberg), said he had a great idea and Sony agreed to let him do a first draft that Gough and Millar would then rewrite. According to a SHH report, Koepp's scrip focused on the continuation of the Goblin saga and introduced Gwen Stacy. This is supported by Michael Chabon's comments that early drafts featured Harry becoming the second Green Goblin and by Grant Curtis' comments on the Spider-man 3 commentary about how the Stacys "almost snuck into Spider-man 2."

Gough & Millar wrote a draft or two. They claim they came up with the idea of giving Doc Ock a wife and an inhibitor chip, and basically his whole character arc. They also said they invented the Peter/MJ/John Jameson triangle. The Black Cat also appeared in their version it seems.

Then Michael Chabon. When Spider-man 3 opened and he was asked why he didn't "save" the script like he did for Spider-man 2, he responded that he wasn't asked but he proceeded to compare Spider-man 3 to early drafts of Spider-man 2 which had Doc Ock, Black Cat, the Lizard, and Harry as the second Green Goblin. He was the first writer to feature Doc Ock as the sole villain. Unfortunately, his script still wasn't very good. His draft had certain scenes that were used in the film (the pizza delivery, the "this is heavy scene", a few others) but the story was significantly different. It has an altered version of the Spider-man no more story where Peter looses his powers by injecting a microchip into his arm.

The most signicant difference is Doc Ock, both in characterization and story. Here Doc Oc is portrayed much younger than usual and develops a crush on Mary Jane. He wears his tentacles for pleasure and only halfway through the script, during the train fight, do they bond to him. Now he is dying and he needs Spider-man's bone marrow to live. This alone is good enough reason not to use the draft.

Harry is also portrayed as a drug addict like in the comics but there is a sub plot involving him putting a bounty on Spider-man's head. Both unused storylines are the ones Avi Arad mentions on the DVD documentary.

Finally Alvin Sargent wrote the final drafts with input from Sam and Ivan Raimi using the best ideas from the various writers. Hence the final credits read "Story by Alfred Gough & Miles Millar and Michael Chabon, Screenplay by Alvin Sargent".
Thank you for the explanation. Didn't know about all the various concepts that were almost introduced. I hope they keep SM4 simplified.

[chaseter]

Ive lost all hope for SM4. Its most likely either gonna bomb in the Box Office or not even get made.
I haven't lost all hope yet but you are crazy if you think it isn't going to get made. It is getting made, it will get made. It will also not bomb at the box office. It could be pure crap but it will still make a profit. You are absolutely 100% wrong.

[CalebYourMaster]

I haven't lost all hope yet but you are crazy if you think it isn't going to get made. It is getting made, it will get made. It will also not bomb at the box office. It could be pure crap but it will still make a profit. You are absolutely 100% wrong.
just look at trasnformers 2 for confirmation! :oldrazz:
i totally havent lost faith in SM4....they can recover...they just gotta have the right story...
also i think its hilarious how that guy thinks tobey looks nothing like peter parker but suggests shia haha

[Venom'sDad]

Not to be rude, but the bolded portion alone shows that you don't really understand the character of Spider-man. Stan Lee has specifically stated that he created Peter to be the "guy next door." He wanted him to be the average-joe character that his readers could relate to. Not an orphaned billionaire or an alien from another planet. A normal guy.I am aware of that quote; I should have worded it differently. I am saying Peter was not created to be a Choirboy or Saint. However, that's all Stan was saying as well, comparing Peter to Clark & Bruce. Stan decided the best route was that of a normal guy who has to provide a living for himself; not use his wealth to combat crime; and intuitively human, not some great Savior. The "guy next door" in comparison to those two.

And Tobey and Topher both look more like Pete than Shia does. Again, I'm not hating on Shia. I'm one of the few people that actually liked him in Indy 4, but looks-wise he's just not the right look for Peter Parker,Look, you are implying I believe the opposite. I don't; and, I never said Shia looks more like Pete than anybody, including T&T. I just said Tobey looks nothing like Peter. None of them does... that's the point. If anyone look closer to Stan Lee's Peter, it would be James Franco.

and while I don't doubt that he could play the humor, his humour is a bit too punkish, if you can understand that. Topher's humor on 70's show fit the character much more in my opinion.Shia has a boyish charm with women that draw them to him. That is the same charm that Peter has. Topher's 70's character is afraid and unsure in his approach... even with his own girlfriend. I don't see how that is similar. Peter have had numerous of woman(popular/in-crowd women) in his life for people to be calling him a nerd or geek.

Shia is witty and clever, and can be arrogant and smart alec at times... again, very similiar to both Peter/Spidey ego's. Topher's 70's character is just snobbish, which Peter is not. Peter was also pretty hip in his time... as Shia characters are now. There is nothing hip about any of Topher characters. Shia characters can hold his own against the likes of Eugene "Flash" Thomson; Topher 70's.... maybe.

I just don't see the comparison. Shia is a much better fit that Topher. Doesn't really matter since neither one will ever see that role. Tobey fits the criteria that Sam wanted, for his adaption.... but that's not to say he fits the character as established by Stan Lee.

Pete has always been a bit of a goofball. At heart, Pete's a dorky guy.No he has not.... that is not true. I don't know where this idea come from. I think many of you associate that idea because of his high degree of intelligence for a teenager. How can one be witty and a dork at the same time. He is not goofy. Dude... you are showing your lack of understanding of the character.

[Smit84]

Thank you for the explanation. Didn't know about all the various concepts that were almost introduced. I hope they keep SM4 simplified.

I probably gave more information than was needed lol but I find it interesting. The script they filmed certainly felt simplified and you wouldn't think so many writers worked on it. In interviews, Raimi implied that the reason so many writers were involved was so that they could gather lots of ideas.

I always felt like the first movie started the series but the second film established the formula. Imagine how daunting it must've been to write the second one after the first one used the most natural storylines (the origin and the Goblin saga).

[Leenie]

Script re-writes happen all of the time (that's why they call them DRAFTS, after all).

I think this is a good thing. It means that everyone involved in the project is wanting to take good care of the final product.

[LightningFlash]

just look at trasnformers 2 for confirmation! :oldrazz:
i totally havent lost faith in SM4....they can recover...they just gotta have the right story...
also i think its hilarious how that guy thinks tobey looks nothing like peter parker but suggests shia haha

Yes, but the thing is that TF2 had little to no plot, but was exciting to watch. If Spider-Man 4 is a replica of Spider-Man 3, then it might make money, but it'll make money off of the fanboys only because of Spider-Man(which I can't understand as Raimi created a boring-as-hell Spidey...now TSSM, THAT'S a hilarious Spider-Man), when it'll have no action, no adventure, too much unnecessary drama and an awful plot.

[dark_b]

when are they starting to film?

[chaseter]

Probably start principal this fall and begin filming early next year. Since they can't nail down a script, I doubt filming starts this year.

[Kanon]

Sam Raimi signed to direct the World of Warcraft movie, and the press release from Blizzard says the plan is to start working when Raimi is done with Spidey 4... Wasn't 4 & 5 meant to be filmed back to back? if they were planning that, could the re-writes be made to change SM4 into a self contained movie, no cliffhanger and loose ends?

[Eggyman]

Sam Raimi signed to direct the World of Warcraft movie, and the press release from Blizzard says the plan is to start working when Raimi is done with Spidey 4... Wasn't 4 & 5 meant to be filmed back to back? if they were planning that, could the re-writes be made to change SM4 into a self contained movie, no cliffhanger and loose ends?

I think the back-to-back idea was simply that: an idea. It's been dismissed since from what I remember.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Yep, you're right. Sam said it himself.

[Doctor Jones]

Thank God that the case then. We all know what happens to movies that are filmed back to back. Matrix and Pirates anybody?

[zeptron]

Thank God that the case then. We all know what happens to movies that are filmed back to back. Matrix and Pirates anybody?

What about the Lord Of The Rings trilogy? I haven't seen them, but I've been unlike the two trilogies you mentioned I've been hearing mostly positive things.

[Fresh Prince]

Ive lost all hope for SM4. Its most likely either gonna bomb in the Box Office or not even get made.

Little faith.

[dark_b]

Thank God that the case then. We all know what happens to movies that are filmed back to back. Matrix and Pirates anybody?what about LOTR and back to the future?

[Sentinel X]

Ive lost all hope for SM4. Its most likely either gonna bomb in the Box Office or not even get made. Wait....what!? We hardly know ANYTHING about this movie yet :huh:

[dark_b]

Wait....what!? We hardly know ANYTHING about this movie yet :huh:we know that while Raimi will think about warcraft while filming SM4.

fans said that it was Arads fault for SM3. now fans will say that it was Warcraft .

[zeptron]

what about LOTR and back to the future?

The Back To The Future trilogy was filmed back to back?:huh:

EDIT: NVM. Don't answer that. Just looked it up.

we know that while Raimi will think about warcraft while filming SM4.

fans said that it was Arads fault for SM3. now fans will say that it was Warcraft .

Both of them are at fault for the things wrong with SM3. Arad for forcing Venom down are throats when Raimi didn't wanna use him and Raimi for writing unnecessary scenes instead of focusing on the villains.

[Kanon]

Raimi had enough power in SM3 (after two super succesful movies) to say "no" to Venom, or other "forced" suggestions...

Not trashing Raimi, he is a cool guy, and probably he just wanted to keep an open mind, hear the fans, etc, and included Venom into the story... But it is still Raimi's fault too...

[SpaceWay2009]

Sam Raimi signed to direct the World of Warcraft movie, and the press release from Blizzard says the plan is to start working when Raimi is done with Spidey 4... Wasn't 4 & 5 meant to be filmed back to back? if they were planning that, could the re-writes be made to change SM4 into a self contained movie, no cliffhanger and loose ends?You may be right. I hope Spider-Man 4 won't be the last movie of the franchise. :csad:

[luke1234]

Im glad there just going to do one more film with Raimi. I think shooting two back to back is way too much for him. All he needs is one great film for his redemption.

[HughJackFan420]

You may be right. I hope Spider-Man 4 won't be the last movie of the franchise. :csad:


it shouldn't be and that's hoping that he still focusing on his interest on introducing the Sinister 6

[luke1234]

it shouldn't be and that's hoping that he still focusing on his interest on introducing the Sinister 6

that may be left for another director to hop on board.

[Venom'sDad]

It may not be the last for the franchise; but it may be the last for this emsemble.....

[Reikowolf]

blerg.

this whole TF2 beating out Potter6 is just proving that you don't need good writing to make a blockbuster sequel... just fanservice and big explosions

and stereotypes

maybe if SM4 has the asian lady singing again.. I'm sure that's the key element that made SM2 such a hit.

[zeptron]

blerg.

this whole TF2 beating out Potter6 is just proving that you don't need good writing to make a blockbuster sequel... just fanservice and big explosions

and stereotypes



And non-acting girls just looking hot for horny fanboys.

[thejon93]

blerg.

this whole TF2 beating out Potter6 is just proving that you don't need good writing to make a blockbuster sequel... just fanservice and big explosions

and stereotypes

maybe if SM4 has the asian lady singing again.. I'm sure that's the key element that made SM2 such a hit.
'Potter' may not beat 'Bayformers II'. However, it will indeed beat 'Bayformers' on a worldwide scale. Look at it's predecessors. At least foreign countries have more common sense.

I saw 'Bayformers' (both, in fact) in a matinee screening. And, I still felt ripped off. Never have I seen a movie that I've detested so much much upon seeing in theatres. I've seen some real ----stinkers in my time (eg. 'The Rise of Taj'). But never have I seen a movie as offensive and immature about its subject matter as 'Bayformers II'.

From now on, let's not make movies with appealing characters and some form of plot. Let's just make a movie to make some money. I've always hated that about Michael Bay; because, more than likely, he's being paid much more than anyone else on the set to put together some rodent ----.