Worst, most annoying suggestions you've heard

[zeptron]

I saw this thread over at the Batman boards and it inspired me to make one here.

- Rebooting the franchise. Yes let's reboot a SUCCESSFUL franchise, whose third film is the second highest grossing superhero film behind The Dark Knight. Yeah these people have no logic.

- Suggesting Scar Jo for Black Cat even after it's announced she's playing Black Widow.

- The idea that Carnage will be in this movie without Venom.

- To make the film dark like The Dark Knight when Spider-man is NOT a dark character nor is the Spider-man universe.

[Adrian89]

I saw this thread over at the Batman boards and it inspired me to make one here.

- To make the film dark like The Dark Knight when Spider-man is NOT a dark character nor is the Spider-man universe.
Probably one of the most annoying & dumb sugestions ever made. Honestly.

Like you said, SM's universe is not a dark universe like Batman's and neither is the character. I have another:

- people wanting Michael Papajohn to return and become a villain (Chameleon, Electro I think I saw..). All I have to say is: :dry: ...

[General Fury]

- people wanting Michael Papajohn to return and become a villain (Chameleon, Electro I think I saw..). All I have to say is: :dry: ...


Couldn't agree more, dumbest......idea.......Ever.......

[He-Man]

Bringing Doc Ock back. Down the line is cool if they do a Sinister Six. Spider Man 2 was great and all but Spidey has too many other villains to start rehashing already.

[Minus Shock]

Bringing Venom back at all, and Carnage is a huge one. I mean why go to the well twice? It didn't work in Spidey3 let's try to have a really great Spidey movie again please. (Can I also include the idea that Venom may actually have his own movie as an annoyance?)

I will probably get attacked, and just know this is simply my opinion. I really dont want to see Lizard or Kraven as the main villains. They never ever did anything for me in the comics or animated series. I really think with so many other great villain possibilities Spidey has it would be dumb to use them.

So far those are my biggest annoyances.

[SpeterMan3]

Pretty much everything everyone has said, even though I don't care too much about the Ock suggestion. But in addition...

-Recasting MJ this late in the franchise. A new face in this role is not what the franchise needs. With the retcons in 3 and possibly even 4, we don't need a face retcon.
(I love that term now. I just made it up. xD)

-Shia LaBeouf as Peter/ Spider-Man (not necessarily in 4, but just at all). I didn't like the idea when smoothbody was around, saying it in every thread, and I don't like it now. I do like Shia, though.

[Symbiote666]

More jokes/quips when Spider-Man fights.

Seriously, bang on about how it's part of the character and how he uses it to build confidence and all that crap, but at the end of the day you're polluting every scene with stupid humor, which is basically the thing that ruined Spider-Man 3. There's no need for it at all. Nobody is going to watch it thinking "hey, what an interesting thing for this superhero to do, cover his flaws with distracting humor! It's brilliant", they're going to think "hurr, spida man said a funny".

Even if they did pack every scene with it, when the backlash came along it would be because "Raimi didn't do it right", or "Raimi just doesn't understand Peter, so he got it wrong".

[SpideyRacoon44]

Having Ock return. Are people actually serious about this?

[zeptron]

The only way I'll accept Ock coming back is if they do the Sinister Six. And I don't even want that to happen. Otherwise bringing him back and turning evil again would have made his redemption pointless IMO.

[Demon Child]

Suggesting Michael Papajon could be a villain of any sorts, or that Doc Ock should return in any form, or that Venom should return, or Carnage should appear when the symbiote was totally destroyed.

[SpeterMan3]

Suggesting Michael Papajon could be a villain of any sorts, or that Doc Ock should return in any form, or that Venom should return, or Carnage should appear when the symbiote was totally destroyed.
Connors still has the sample.

[bullets]

MJ's death . It's just not going to happen.

Carnage as a villian . They could do this in the Venom spinoff but the symbiote storyline was a disaster.

[Joker]

Bringing in Black Crappy. Using any kind of symbiote villain. Michael Papajohn as a super villain.

[General Fury]

Suggesting Michael Papajon could be a villain of any sorts, or that Doc Ock should return in any form, or that Venom should return, or Carnage should appear when the symbiote was totally destroyed.

Bringing in Black Crappy. Using any kind of symbiote villain. Michael Papajohn as a super villain.

Agreed %100

[Spider-ManHero12]

Recasting Tobey, honestly. I also am not crazy about the suggestions of using Carnage for S-M4. Leave Carange for the Venom spin-off, which i'm being optimistic about. I'm very excited for it. Bring in a classic Villian(s) for Spider-Man 4.

[Adrian89]

I forgot to mention another one which I often read on these boards: bringing Venom back or anything regarding Venom's return is just plain stupid!

[spider-neil]

suggestions that venom (and worse, carnage) should appear in future SM movies. UGH!

[Immortalfire]

- people wanting Michael Papajohn to return and become a villain (Chameleon, Electro I think I saw..). All I have to say is: :dry: ...

That, and the dreaded R word...Reboot, have been the worst.

[Adrian89]

suggestions that venom (and worse, carnage) should appear in future SM movies. UGH!
They can appear in the movies when SM will be rebooted and when it will have a director which is competent enough to give them justice!

That, and the dreaded R word...Reboot, have been the worst.
I AGREE. Like alot of franchises, Spider-Man will be rebooted too someday, but in my oppinion it should not take place in the near future. We still have some movies to go (SM4,5....) and I hope these ones will be done the right way. It shouldn't be rebooted now, just because SM3 sucked! Not to mention that I want to see other villains too, I don't want the whole GG story again, it's really too early for a remake.

[General Fury]

I forgot to mention another one which I often read on these boards: bringing Venom back or anything regarding Venom's return is just plain stupid!

Agreed!

that sounds just as awful as the idea of a venom spin-off

[SpideyTheBest]

Morbius to be the villain just because Raimi said he likes the character.

[General Fury]

Morbius to be the villain just because Raimi said he likes the character.

that's the mistake he made with Sandman.

[SpideyTheBest]

The problem with Sandman was that he made the character so lame. The symbiote being introduced only made it worse, it made him Uncle Ben's real killer so Peter could have another personal connection to the villain while also having a reason to hate him with the symbiote.

Plus, if he had done Sandman and Vulture and Harry as the Goblin, the film would have been so much better.

[General Fury]

The problem with Sandman was that he made the character so lame. The symbiote being introduced only made it worse, it made him Uncle Ben's real killer so Peter could have another personal connection to the villain while also having a reason to hate him with the symbiote.

Plus, if he had done Sandman and Vulture and Harry as the Goblin, the film would have been so much better.

agreed, Venom had such an unreal feel, which sucks, cause the first two films were plausible, to the point where it felt real enough that you could connect it with real life, for example, Green Goblin and Ock were two pretty much regular guys (sides the fact their super mega smart inventors) that went insane from their creations, Venom just felt impossible and stupid

[TheSlag]

agreed, Venom had such an unreal feel, which sucks, cause the first two films were plausible, to the point where it felt real enough that you could connect it with real life, for example, Green Goblin and Ock were two pretty much regular guys (sides the fact their super mega smart inventors) that went insane from their creations, Venom just felt impossible and stupid

While a man make of living sand had a "real" feel to it? :cwink:

[General Fury]

While a man make of living sand had a "real" feel to it? :cwink:

:funny: the whole thing with that was so convenient :whatever:

[TheSlag]

Hey, I think Church did an excellent job with the role. I think he is an Excellent actor. And I think the sequence where "Sandy" was born was excellent, visually.


I just did not care for how the character was written. And I just do not care for ole Sandy period.

As far as convienent, if that is your way of saying lazy approach to writing, I gotta agree with you. :cwink:

[General Fury]

Hey, I think Church did an excellent job with the role. I think he is an Excellent actor. And I think the sequence where "Sandy" was born was excellent, visually.


I just did not care for how the character was written. And I just do not care for ole Sandy period.

As far as convienent, if that is your way of saying lazy approach to writing, I gotta agree with you. :cwink:
Church did do a very good job, the set-up of the scene was very good to, it was just the overall of not fitting in with the spidey universe that Raimi had created in the past two films

[Venom'sDad]

suggestions that venom (and worse, carnage) should appear in future SM movies. UGH!

Look, there's really nothing wrong with Venom, Carnage, or any other villain for that matter. It's all about understanding the character, proper usage of the character, and WRITING.... area that Sam & Co. failed at. I have gotten positive comments on my usage of Carnage in my "Spidey4 Story"; although understandably, most don't want to see Sam handle another Symbiote in a future Spidey film. Neitherless, Sam & Co. has failed in all three categories with Sandman & Eddie/Symbiote/Venom, and in certain occasions with Harry(in SM3) and DocOck(mainly the end).

That, and the dreaded R word...Reboot, have been the worst.It's obvious Sony won't reboot, so I don't see this as an issue. What's annoying to me is that after three film, people still insist Sam do more. They tend to not see how flawed Sam's style is for Spiderman.... especially since he really don't understand these characters.

[chaseter]

The most annoying suggestions I have heard are:

Shia for Peter Parker................................NO
Carnage
Venom to come back and be in another movie

[Minus Shock]

that's the mistake he made with Sandman.

True but he also screwed up a Villain he knew nothing about. So Sandman, who he loved, was a miss, and Venom, who he knew nothing about, was screwed up beyond belief... what can Raimi do? Bringing back Doc Ock may not be a bad idea since this was the villain he had most success with. :hehe:

[Infinity9999x]

I saw this thread over at the Batman boards and it inspired me to make one here.

- Rebooting the franchise. Yes let's reboot a SUCCESSFUL franchise, whose third film is the second highest grossing superhero film behind The Dark Knight. Yeah these people have no logic.


- To make the film dark like The Dark Knight when Spider-man is NOT a dark character nor is the Spider-man universe.

On the question of TDK issue,

I think a lot of people have been getting confused when they hear people saying SM4 should be more like TDK, or that SM4 should take ideas from TDK. I do think SM4 should take ideas from TDK, but the things I want SM4 to take from TDK aren't tone, or making it a darker movie. I want SM4 to have the same intelligent and thoughtfull storytelling that TDK did, and the same devotion and staying true to it's characters that TDK did.

That's what I think most people want. However, the second I hear people saying they want SM4 to be darker to match TDK, I just roll my eyes, because that is a dumb idea.

However, on the reboot issue, I was hoping we would get a reboot, eventually at least. There are a lot of things that Raimi has done wrong that I would like fixed in another incarnation of the character. When I watch Spectacular Spider-man, I find myself even more frustrated with the movies. Now, I know that SS can do things Raimi can't, given the differences in the nature of the medium they are using. However, There is no reason Raimi couldn't show the accuracy in displaying the true nature of the characters SS does.

[BobJM]

1. Switching MJ with Gwen
2. Any recasts
3. Kraven & Mysterio (hate them both)
4. Symbiotes
5. Ben's killer having any sort of significant role

[Bubastis]

the inclusion of carnage, black cat, or a villain who's already been used, especially if they're dead.

[Spiderine]

1. Any aforementioned return from the dead characters.

2. Bruce Campbell as Mysterio.

3. Any more changes to the night Uncle Ben died.

4. A sinister six cheeseball fest.

5. Any more mention of Aunt Carnage, joke or no joke.

6. Another Venom of any kind.

7. This version of Gwen being thrown from a bridge.

8. The Leader of the Daily Bugle allstar comedy team creating Scorpion.

9. Anymore oddball team up suggestions like Scorpion and Mysterio or others.

10. Clone sagas of any kind.

[General Fury]

The most annoying suggestions I have heard are:

Shia for Peter Parker................................NO
Carnage
Venom to come back and be in another movie


:wow:NEVAH!!!!:wow:

[Minus Shock]

What is the appeal of him really?

[Joker]

Shia is ridiculously overrated.

[Minus Shock]

You aint kidding. Don't get me wrong, once upon a time I thought the kid had potential to be a great actor, but everything he's been in so far has just not impressed me at all. Some could blame the material, but he agreed to do whatever it is. I thought Disturbia was pretty good, but aside from that, nothing I can think of that really stretched his acting chops. I don't see the attraction thing either. I don't get it.

[zeptron]

Shia is ridiculously overrated.

Not as overrated as his Transformers co-star. God, I'm so sick of seeing her suggested for EVERY effin female role that needs casting.

[Spiderine]

Shia is a decent actor and I have enjoyed some of his other roles such as Disturbia and Eagle Eye. I wouldn't say he would have done a better job as Peter Parker but I think he could have pulled it off.

[Minus Shock]

Not as overrated as his Transformers co-star. God, I'm so sick of seeing her suggested for EVERY effin female role that needs casting.

Well she just want's to be in a movie where she can act apparently.

[Joker]

She's the new flavour of the month. And it has nothing to do with her 'acting skills'.

[General Fury]

Shia is ridiculously overrated.

For certain

She's the new flavour of the month. And it has nothing to do with her 'acting skills'.

that's for sure :whatever:

[ND Irish]

nothin wrong w/ that

[Agent 194]

Annoying suggestion or not....reboot needed or not...I'd love to see a fresh approach,...as in not making it another weepy eyed 'I love Mary Jane' story.

[ND Irish]

agreed completely. please no crying unless its absolutely required

[chaseter]

Not as overrated as his Transformers co-star. God, I'm so sick of seeing her suggested for EVERY effin female role that needs casting.
Welcome to two years ago when Elisha Cuthbert was ****ing suggested for everything.

[Immortalfire]

Welcome to two years ago when Elisha Cuthbert was ****ing suggested for everything.

Hell yes she was.

Felicia Hardy? OMG ELISHA CUTHBERT!!!!!!!!

Deb Whitman? OMG ELISHA CUTHBERT!!!!!!!!

Electro? OMG ELISHA CUTHBERT!!!!!!!!

:facepalm

[Spider-Who?]

some one mentioned giving spidey his trademark humor as an annoying suggestion. I gotta disagree. its the lame ideas for jokes that posters spout forth that are annoying. and whats worse is that they are 95% accepted by fellow posters as genuinely funny lines. ug.

Spidey needs his quips/sarcasm. Hell, I'd even take ONE scene where we see his "light heartedness" and humor come into play. Just one. And no, "Here's your change!" does NOT count.

[TomPiltoff]

Spidey needs his quips/sarcasm. Hell, I'd even take ONE scene where we see his "light heartedness" and humor come into play. Just one. And no, "Here's your change!" does NOT count.

Yeah it does.

[Wally West]

The suggestion that Raimi hasn't made a good spiderman film.

Spiderman 2 was, at the very least, a good film. The film had excellent reviews(93% Tomato meter) and an excellent box office ($373 million- $431 million adjusted for inflation). I have no problem with someone saying they personally didn't like it, but it's quite a stretch to call it a bad film.

[HughJackFan420]

Hey, I think Church did an excellent job with the role. I think he is an Excellent actor. And I think the sequence where "Sandy" was born was excellent, visually.


I just did not care for how the character was written. And I just do not care for ole Sandy period.

As far as convienent, if that is your way of saying lazy approach to writing, I gotta agree with you. :cwink:

i agree with the first part i thought Topher did a good job and Thomas Haden Church was a good cast on Sandman. though i would've prefferred Micky Rourke's character from Sin City as sandman b/c he looks more like Sandman in that movie. anyways the only problem w/Spider-Man 3 was how it ended. they should've ended Venom the way they did by seperating Brock from the symbiote. at the end they should've had a cliffhanger of Brock locked in a cell and next to him was Cletus Cassidy. as far as Sandman Spidey should've stuck with what worked before. Flushing Sandman away w/water after Harry helped him out with missle beatdowns instead of them having a cry baby moment of forgiving each other...i mean duh....it's not that hard Hollywood give fans what they want not what YOU think we want.

[Wally West]

i agree with the first part i thought Topher did a good job and Thomas Haden Church was a good cast on Sandman. though i would've prefferred Micky Rourke's character from Sin City as sandman b/c he looks more like Sandman in that movie. anyways the only problem w/Spider-Man 3 was how it ended. they should've ended Venom the way they did by seperating Brock from the symbiote. at the end they should've had a cliffhanger of Brock locked in a cell and next to him was Cletus Cassidy. as far as Sandman Spidey should've stuck with what worked before. Flushing Sandman away w/water after Harry helped him out with missle beatdowns instead of them having a cry baby moment of forgiving each other...i mean duh....it's not that hard Hollywood give fans what they want not what YOU think we want.


The only problem with not killing Brock and setting up a 4th film is that it seemed like Spiderman 3 might be the last film in the series, and because of that uncertainty they probably wanted to give the films a sense of closure.

[Venom'sDad]

I seriously doubt that Wally West; otherwise, Sam wouldn't just let Sandman go. That still has to be resolved. Sam only brought closure to the Goblin Legacy. That had nothing to do with Venom & Sandman. Sam probably wanted to ensure that the character he disliked(Venom) would never see the light of day ever again. So he laid him to rest.

Rip Venom. :(

[Reikowolf]

"I had no choice"

Did anyone else really get annoyed when after he spends half the time just trying to rid himself of Spider-Man so he can get away with his crimes; he goes on a revenge twist with Venom?

I mean, Spider-Man finishes handing him his sandy butt in the sewer, he reforms and in essence is in the clear; he could just leave town and commit crimes elsewhere outside of spider-man's 'web of control' as it were. Instead the first thing he does is actively hunt down spider-man, then teams up with venom in trying to kill spidey. After all this, at the end he still says "I had no choice"

I mean, it would have actually made more sense if Venom had kidnapped his daughter and made him help in his revenge (the plot to the video game).

[American_Hobo]

Whatever the reason are, Venom and Sandman team-up would've been terrbile in my opinion.
Shoudl've been Sandman and Vulture team-up in Spiderman 3.

[Minus Shock]

The suggestion that Raimi hasn't made a good spiderman film.

Spiderman 2 was, at the very least, a good film. The film had excellent reviews(93% Tomato meter) and an excellent box office ($373 million- $431 million adjusted for inflation). I have no problem with someone saying they personally didn't like it, but it's quite a stretch to call it a bad film.

I really agree. I mean I give Raimi **** for Spider-man 3, but it wasn't as bad as X-3 was for me. I just hate that he didn't have enough balls to say to Avi Arad or whoever "I don't know Venom, I ain't using him just to bring in the bucks." But Spider-man 2 set the bar for comic movies in my opinion. The subjectiveness of liking Spider-man shouldn't matter because as a film it was really solid. I really hope he returns to Spider-Man 2 form with Spidey 4

[Reikowolf]

Vulture in a Spider-Man film would be pretty rad.

imagine the aerial battle sequence they could come up with? That would totally put the bar up there for the next big comic book movie.

Although it didn't feel 'big' Ironman had a promising aerial sequence which is more than I can say for Bayformers 1 and 2.

[Wally West]

I seriously doubt that Wally West; otherwise, Sam wouldn't just let Sandman go. That still has to be resolved. Sam only brought closure to the Goblin Legacy. That had nothing to do with Venom & Sandman. Sam probably wanted to ensure that the character he disliked(Venom) would never see the light of day ever again. So he laid him to rest.

Rip Venom. :(

Maybe I'll have to watch it again, but I got the impression that Peter and Sandman had come to some sort of understanding. I didn't really see anything within the context of that particular story indicating that he was going to be a problem any longer.

Anyway, my point was that they weren't going to end Spiderman 3 with major cliffhangers when it was a 50/50 shot at best that the cast and Raimi would be back for another. And while I can sympathize with your being disapointed in Venom's death( and probably feeling that the character wasn't handled properly to begin with) Killing Brock off pretty much tied up his arc - for better or worse.

[Episode29]

Morbius. Seriously people?

[Infinity9999x]

The suggestion that Raimi hasn't made a good spiderman film.

Spiderman 2 was, at the very least, a good film. The film had excellent reviews(93% Tomato meter) and an excellent box office ($373 million- $431 million adjusted for inflation). I have no problem with someone saying they personally didn't like it, but it's quite a stretch to call it a bad film.

Raimi doesn't make bad films. SM2 certainly is a very good film. However, it (in my opinion) is not a good Spider-man film. It's an average Spider-man film at most.

Raimi has handled his major characters fairly poorly. MJ was treated horribly, and Spider-man not much better. His characterization of Peter is average, but he simply doesn't understand the duality to the character of Spider-man. Add that to the fact that Raimi has virtually ignored the supporting cast of the mythos, and I find it hard to view the movies as good Spider-man movies.

However, it was even more frustrating to me that Raimi had the audacity to make good movies. Because he did them well, the public loved them, and now they view that as what Spider-man is when it could be so much better.

[Venom'sDad]

Maybe I'll have to watch it again, but I got the impression that Peter and Sandman had come to some sort of understanding. I didn't really see anything within the context of that particular story indicating that he was going to be a problem any longer.You are missing the point... just because they pass hugs & kisses, shed tears together, and said I'm sorry does not mean everything has been resolved. Flint is a killer, a majot threat to the community, and is a fugitive. Spidey can not just allow a known criminal, with powers now, to wonder the streets. That goes completely against, "with great power, come great responsibility". Spoken by the very man, that was killed by the fugitive Spidey let go.... in Sam adaptation.

Look, Sandman has killed a number of officers, never promise anything to Spiderman and virtually told him he will not allow anything to stand in the way of him helping his daughter, so obviously he's not done commiting crimes... oh, and did I mention he's wanted criminal who now has superpowers.


Anyway, my point was that they weren't going to end Spiderman 3 with major cliffhangers when it was a 50/50 shot at best that the cast and Raimi would be back for another. And while I can sympathize with your being disapointed in Venom's death( and probably feeling that the character wasn't handled properly to begin with) Killing Brock off pretty much tied up his arc - for better or worse.Really, I am more disappointed at Sam killing Norman & Harry than I am him killing Eddie/Venom. However, since the discussion centered around setting up Brock verses closure & uncertainty... I put the sad face next to Venom.

However, maybe it's just me, regardless of the uncertainty of a SM4 film, I still would tell the story I feel needs to be told. If I return, I'll pick up where I left off; if not, than so be it. Rushing a character, not doing proper development, forcing closure, because this may be the last; to me, shows lack of real commitment to himself. I don't know any other way to put it.

[Minus Shock]

^
I agree. I feel like the whole movie was kind of pointless when let's Sandman go. I can understand him maybe embracing that it was a mistake, but to me it makes Peter a pretty selfish person. Sandman killed several people after becoming Sandman, and for that he should face justice. If Peter is okay with Uncle Ben, great, but the other peoples families deserve to be spoken for. Does Peter think they don't care as much as he did?

Killing Harry was just a contrived effort to get audience to possibly tear up. The entire last act felt really rushed, but something just bugs me about Bernard telling Harry everything Peter has been telling him for a movie and a half now and suddenly it's okay. I know there are probably explanations but that just bugged me. I wish that was handled differently. I hate that in comic book movies in general the solution is always killing the bad guy, yet rarely is that the first solution in comics.

Eddie Brock/Venom was just unnecessary to me. Really so was Gwen Stacy. All Gwen did for me is wish Peter would dumb MJ and stay with Gwen. Back to Eddie though. I hated that they changed the church scene from Brock asking god to kill himself to killing Peter Parker. It's retarded to me to ask God to kill another person out of jealousy. Brock asking god to kill him seems like something done out of depression or feeling worthless, which makes for a more tragic character I think. I hated that you see Venom without a head more than you did with a head. Why bother with the character if you aren't going to keep him covered up. I wanted to see some gnarly tongue and such.

[Minus Shock]

Double Post.

[American_Hobo]

I seriously doubt that Wally West; otherwise, Sam wouldn't just let Sandman go. That still has to be resolved. Sam only brought closure to the Goblin Legacy. That had nothing to do with Venom & Sandman. Sam probably wanted to ensure that the character he disliked(Venom) would never see the light of day ever again. So he laid him to rest.

Rip Venom. :(

Harry as Rocket Racer rather than Green Goblin was not really an appropriate closure to Goblin legacy.

[Wally West]

You are missing the point... just because they pass hugs & kisses, shed tears together, and said I'm sorry does not mean everything has been resolved. Flint is a killer, a majot threat to the community, and is a fugitive. Spidey can not just allow a known criminal, with powers now, to wonder the streets. That goes completely against, "with great power, come great responsibility". Spoken by the very man, that was killed by the fugitive Spidey let go.... in Sam adaptation.

Look, Sandman has killed a number of officers, never promise anything to Spiderman and virtually told him he will not allow anything to stand in the way of him helping his daughter, so obviously he's not done commiting crimes... oh, and did I mention he's wanted criminal who now has superpowers.


Really, I am more disappointed at Sam killing Norman & Harry than I am him killing Eddie/Venom. However, since the discussion centered around setting up Brock verses closure & uncertainty... I put the sad face next to Venom.

However, maybe it's just me, regardless of the uncertainty of a SM4 film, I still would tell the story I feel needs to be told. If I return, I'll pick up where I left off; if not, than so be it. Rushing a character, not doing proper development, forcing closure, because this may be the last; to me, shows lack of real commitment to himself. I don't know any other way to put it.


You make some good points about Sandman, but ultimately he left peacefully. He could possibly have to be dealt with one day, but that's hardly a big cliffhanger, at the very least, I didn't get the feeling it was a plot point that HAD to be revisited.

And as far as killing off Norman, well... I'm totally with you on that one. If there's one thing that bothers me about this trilogy more than any other it, it's that I felt the Goblin wasn't nearly as cool as he could have been. I wish they would've saved GG for a sequel when they had a bigger bugget and could have done his transformation physically via CGI.

[Spiderine]

It may have resolved things between Peter and Flint in regards to Uncle Ben's death but the fact that Sandman's daughter is still gravely ill and still needs money and Sandman has made it clear he will do whatever is necessary to get that money certainly makes him a continued threat roaming the street. Does that make it ok for Peter to turn his back again?

[venomvsspidey]

[quote=HughJackFan420;17179663]they should've ended Venom the way they did by seperating Brock from the symbiote. at the end they should've had a cliffhanger of Brock locked in a cell and next to him was Cletus Cassidy./quote]


no.no no no no no no no NO

i love/loved topher's preformance, but he served his purpose in 3, not to mention raimi hates symboites. so...no.

[zeptron]

[quote=HughJackFan420;17179663]they should've ended Venom the way they did by seperating Brock from the symbiote. at the end they should've had a cliffhanger of Brock locked in a cell and next to him was Cletus Cassidy./quote]


no.no no no no no no no NO

i love/loved topher's preformance, but he served his purpose in 3, not to mention raimi hates symboites. so...no.

That could have been used to set up the Venom movie. That would be better than Eddie Brock somehow coming back to life.

[rashad]

One I read on another forum.

Make it rated R, and bring in Carnage.

[Joker]

Any Carnage or symbiote related suggestions are stupid. Not going to happen. Especially with Raimi in control.

[Adrian89]

Raimi doesn't make bad films. SM2 certainly is a very good film. However, it (in my opinion) is not a good Spider-man film. It's an average Spider-man film at most.

Raimi has handled his major characters fairly poorly. MJ was treated horribly, and Spider-man not much better. His characterization of Peter is average, but he simply doesn't understand the duality to the character of Spider-man. Add that to the fact that Raimi has virtually ignored the supporting cast of the mythos, and I find it hard to view the movies as good Spider-man movies.

However, it was even more frustrating to me that Raimi had the audacity to make good movies. Because he did them well, the public loved them, and now they view that as what Spider-man is when it could be so much better.
Once again, I must say that I agree with you fellow member. Good point!

One I read on another forum.

Make it rated R, and bring in Carnage.
lol, Spider-Man will never be R rated in my oppinion.

[That person]

One word: Hobgoblin. Seriously, WTF?

[Minus Shock]

My biggest annoyance is people who know literally nothing about Spider-man, but just kind of know of Venom, Carnage etc and are dying for them. I get effin tired of hearing "Bring in Carnage!!!" My best friend in the world is guilty of that.

Can someone tell me what this fascination is with Carnage in the first place please? So he kills people like T-1000, big whoop. I just don't understand the draw that he has with non-comic readers. It's really bizarre.

[venomvsspidey]

One word: Hobgoblin. Seriously, WTF?

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/457/61741173311060999147473.jpg

[Reikowolf]

My biggest annoyance is people who know literally nothing about Spider-man, but just kind of know of Venom, Carnage etc and are dying for them. I get effin tired of hearing "Bring in Carnage!!!" My best friend in the world is guilty of that.

Can someone tell me what this fascination is with Carnage in the first place please? So he kills people like T-1000, big whoop. I just don't understand the draw that he has with non-comic readers. It's really bizarre.

Thank you.

To that extent, I was on this for a while about how Venom would not work in the Spider-Man movies

and if you made a Spider-Man movie where a character like Venom worked, you'd have a film like Underworld; lots of a flash with no substance.

[bullets]

[quote=venomvsspidey;17183507]

That could have been used to set up the Venom movie. That would be better than Eddie Brock somehow coming back to life.



exactly

[venomvsspidey]

[quote=zeptron;17183836]



exactly


having topher become venom as a cliffhanger for SM4 wouldnt have stopped fanboys complaining. besides, SM3 was like a 50/50 to the end of the series, so it was supposed to tie-up loose ends.

[Spider-Who?]

Yeah it does.


....no, it doesnt. To me any way, cause, you know, my standards are a little higher than a 2nd graders attempts at puns.

When nearly every person (ally or villain) a character ever faces makes at least one comment on his sarcasm, humor, inability to shut his mouth etc; you KNOW it is an important part of that characters personality, and therefore should be considered just as much as his/her costume/any other character trait.

This has NOT been done in any of the Spider-Man films. One or two comments that can BARELY be considered as an attempt to be funny do NOT count as an inclusion of a character's personality traits.

Spider-Man is a smart ass, a clown, a funny guy who could do stand up if he wanted to. He never shuts up and will either make you groan with annoyance, or laugh till you piss yourself (depending on Spidey's intent of the humor).

I enjoy the flicks, for a time, they were my favorite movies, but after 3 attempts to fully realize the character, I'm tired of them ALMOST getting it right. I really think that some of the better Spider-Man comic writers should look over the new script and be allowed to make suggestions/additions to Spidey's dialogue, because they -if anyone- know how to write him. but sadly, that'll never happen, because, well, its a good idea.

[Sentinel X]

Spider-man being rated R....really? Come on people. -sigh-

Also, venom and carnage...these are TERRIBLE characters. I could at least tolerate venom but carnage is too much, hes such a lame character

[Doctor Jones]

Being rated R.

Venom returning. HE IS DEAD. And why would you bring him back? I want to move onto newer villains.

Carnage, I just hate him

Making it dark or gritty like TDK

SM is something for everyone, it doesn't isolate anybody.

[NewYorkSpider]

I wouldn't mindseeing Hobgoblin since he's my favorite villain in the Spidey universe.

The worst suggestion i've heard is Black Cat. I just don't think it's the right time.

[Joker]

Being rated R.

Venom returning. HE IS DEAD. And why would you bring him back? I want to move onto newer villains.

Carnage, I just hate him

Definitely agree with these :up:

[webhead731]

Reboot just because most people thought 3 was just mediocre and not omfg amazing. There are plenty people who loved it, so rebooting it is a fail suggestion.

Sinister Six

Carnage without Venom=fail

Acting like 3 never existed

Nolan to direct

No Tobey or Kirsten

[Spider-Vader]

Yeah, re-booting would just suck. I think the GA would be mad, seeing as how they atleast tolerated Spidey 3 enough to get it over 300 mil domestic.

Sinister Six would be horrible for Spidey 4, since none of the characters have been introduced (& not killed afterwards) except Sandman but he's a good guy now.

[OctaviousINC]

I'm still waitin' for my Aunt Carnage......

[Immortalfire]

I'm still waitin' for my Aunt Carnage......

Aren't we all :hehe:

[DACrowe]

1. MJ death
2. Venom
3. Carnage
4. The Dark Spidey
5. Suggestions of more than 2 villains

About covers it.

[venomvsspidey]

1. MJ death
2. Venom
3. Carnage
4. The Dark Spidey
5. Suggestions of more than 2 villains

About covers it.


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[zeptron]

1. MJ death
2. Venom
3. Carnage
4. The Dark Spidey
5. Suggestions of more than 2 villains

About covers it.

This reminds me I do get a little annoyed when people keep saying only one villain from now on because SM3 was "overcrowded."

The problem with SM3 wasn't the amount of villains. It was the execution. All three villains had different storylines that had nothing to do with each other so they had to cram all three arcs into one film.

Movies like Batman Returns, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight show that multiple villains can be worked into the same storyline. Like how Sandman and Vulture were originally going to share the same plotline with Vulture making Sandman do all his dirty work. Sadly we'll never know how that would have turned out.

No other villain can carry his own film. So I would expect at least two from now on. Besides SM has a lot of good villains and it would be a shame for some of them not to be in a movie because they keep using only villain per movie.

[ultimatefan]

Reboot. Period.

[Venom'sDad]

This reminds me I do get a little annoyed when people keep saying only one villain from now on because SM3 was "overcrowded."

The problem with SM3 wasn't the amount of villains. It was the execution. All three villains had different storylines that had nothing to do with each other so they had to cram all three arcs into one film.
I agree totally. :up::up::up:

As far as Carnage is concern, I know a good percentage of you either don't like Carnage or don't trust Sam Raimi in doing it and I would agree with both.... mainly because I simply don't trust Raimi period. However there are ways to do Carnage respectfully (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=17012044&postcount=25). Look, many people here have been saying great writing and usage & understanding of these characters is what sorely needed.

Most of Spidey rogue villains would work well on the big screen incorporate with smart writing. I'm annoyed when people say this or that villain won't work versus Sam & Co. don't know how to make it work. Many flamed Nolan & Goyer for choosing Ras, Scare, & Falcone as the villains. Look how that turn out. That's if anything is what I hope Sam takes away from Nolan & Goyer... smart, intelligent writing, mature themes, and usage & understanding of characters. Battles scenes and SFx are good, but that does not carry the film alone, imo.

[SpeterMan3]

This reminds me I do get a little annoyed when people keep saying only one villain from now on because SM3 was "overcrowded."

The problem with SM3 wasn't the amount of villains. It was the execution. All three villains had different storylines that had nothing to do with each other so they had to cram all three arcs into one film.

Movies like Batman Returns, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight show that multiple villains can be worked into the same storyline. Like how Sandman and Vulture were originally going to share the same plotline with Vulture making Sandman do all his dirty work. Sadly we'll never know how that would have turned out.

No other villain can carry his own film. So I would expect at least two from now on. Besides SM has a lot of good villains and it would be a shame for some of them not to be in a movie because they keep using only villain per movie.
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I actually want Sinister Six for SM6, if they get to 6. With the proper execution they can pull it off. And if they don't, who cares? It's the last one. :hehe:

[chaseter]

Ugh...now the crazy fanboys say ScarJo as Black Cat:dry:

[General Fury]

Being rated R.

Venom returning. HE IS DEAD. And why would you bring him back? I want to move onto newer villains.

Carnage, I just hate him

Making it dark or gritty like TDK

SM is something for everyone, it doesn't isolate anybody.

agreed %100

[Retroman]

This is weird and random....Puff Daddy?:huh:

From Rashad lewis's twitter page:
Breaking new P. Diddy just hit and told me to be on the look out for Halloween 2 this year and spider-man 4 next year real talk I can wait
7:12 PM Jul 20th from TwitterFon
http://twitter.com/RASHADLEWIS

:huh:

[Spider-ManHero12]

This is weird and random....Puff Daddy?:huh:

From Rashad lewis's twitter page:

http://twitter.com/RASHADLEWIS

:huh: :huh:

[Immortalfire]

Ugh...now the crazy fanboys say ScarJo as Black Cat:dry:

I thought they were still hanging on Elisha Cuthbert for that role.

[Immortalfire]

This is weird and random....Puff Daddy?:huh:

From Rashad lewis's twitter page:

http://twitter.com/RASHADLEWIS

:huh:

Wtf :huh::huh:

[SpeterMan3]

This is weird and random....Puff Daddy?:huh:

From Rashad lewis's twitter page:

http://twitter.com/RASHADLEWIS

:huh:
:dry:

Why do I find this intriguing?

[irishjosh]

Any mention of Carnage being in the movie. He is one of the lamest Spidey villains ever. I'd much rather see the classics that havent been done yet. Like Mysterio,Shocker,Electro,Rhino,Kraven,Hydroman,Mor bius,Hobgoblin,Tombstone before him

[chaseter]

I agree...minus Morbius, Hydroman, and Tombstone.

[Hectorminator]

Also, I think the opportunity to use the Hobgoblin came and went with Harry Osborn becoming the "New Goblin" instead. Lame.

[Venom'sDad]

HobGoblin, imo, is a must for future films.

[Venom 1988]

Also, I think the opportunity to use the Hobgoblin came and went with Harry Osborn becoming the "New Goblin" instead. Lame.

Er how so?

[Spiderine]

Also, I think the opportunity to use the Hobgoblin came and went with Harry Osborn becoming the "New Goblin" instead. Lame.
That had nothing to do with Hobgoblin.

[venomvsspidey]

Also, I think the opportunity to use the Hobgoblin came and went with Harry Osborn becoming the "New Goblin" instead. Lame.


:huh::huh:

[Hectorminator]

I'm saying if they were going to use the name "Hobgoblin", they should have named Harry Osborn the Hobgoblin, like in Ultimate Spider-Man.

Ned Leeds, or Roderick Kingsley, or whoever else, as the Hobgoblin is uninteresting and the films didn't have time to introduce these characters, and by now it's redundant to bring in ANOTHER goblin, especially if he's just a guy who stumbles on one of Norman Osborn's old hideouts. That's exactly what Harry did. He even had a cool-looking gold mask that he didn't use.

If they try to bring in Hobgoblin now, it would be lame. If they really wanted to use the name "Hobgoblin", it should have been Harry.

[david icke]

I'm saying if they were going to use the name "Hobgoblin", they should have named Harry Osborn the Hobgoblin, like in Ultimate Spider-Man.

This is one reason I'm glad Raimi is doing the movies, he'll base the movies on the classic comics not these 'Ultimate' re-vamps. that's partly what messed up the Fantastic Four movies, too much Ultimate FF and not enough classic.

Ned Leeds, or Roderick Kingsley, or whoever else, as the Hobgoblin is uninteresting and the films didn't have time to introduce these characters,

Of course they would, they're planning to go up to at least a Spider-man 6, and that won't be the end of teh movies either I imagine.

The whole point about the original Hobgoblin story was that it was a big mystery as to who he was, and whether he would find out Spidey's secret too while ransacking Osborn's old hideouts and journals.

and by now it's redundant to bring in ANOTHER goblin, especially if he's just a guy who stumbles on one of Norman Osborn's old hideouts. That's exactly what Harry did. He even had a cool-looking gold mask that he didn't use.

If they try to bring in Hobgoblin now, it would be lame. If they really wanted to use the name "Hobgoblin", it should have been Harry.

If they had just named Harry the Hobgoblin it would not have been hobgoblin, you sound like you just wanted a different outfit for Harry.
Apart from the potentially good story they could do well with the Hobgoblin as both Goblins onscreen did not live up to the full potential that a Goblin could have onscreen.

[Venom 1988]

David pretty much said everything :up:

[Hectorminator]

This is one reason I'm glad Raimi is doing the movies, he'll base the movies on the classic comics not these 'Ultimate' re-vamps. that's partly what messed up the Fantastic Four movies, too much Ultimate FF and not enough classic.

Mmm, the Fantastic Four movies sucked because they sucked. They had a crappy script that was influenced just as much by the classic comics as the Ultimate ones. I argue that the first six issues of Ultimate Fantastic Four were really good, and a great way to do the sixties heroes' origins today.

Sometimes it's good to look at how they did it in the Ultimates, like when it came to Venom. Bless Raimi for trying a villain he didn't like, but the origin of Venom in Ultimate Spider-Man was better suited for the movies than the classic one: alien goo landing next to Peter in the park.

Also, may I make this point as to another reason Fantastic Fours sucked: Jessica Alba. Thank you. =)

Of course they would, they're planning to go up to at least a Spider-man 6, and that won't be the end of teh movies either I imagine.

The whole point about the original Hobgoblin story was that it was a big mystery as to who he was, and whether he would find out Spidey's secret too while ransacking Osborn's old hideouts and journals.

While I like the mystery aspect you're talking about, I think it works best in a monthly comic and not a two-hour movie. The Original Green Goblin was even introduced this way in the comics, and it was a great reveal when Norman Osborn was behind the mask. Spider-Man 1 didn't have the time to set that up, so you saw Osborn take the performance enhancers from the get go.

The mystery aspect worked on The Spectacular Spider-Man again, though, which I really liked, so I DO think it's cool. Just not for the movies or future movies. Not enough time to do it justice.


If they had just named Harry the Hobgoblin it would not have been hobgoblin, you sound like you just wanted a different outfit for Harry.
Apart from the potentially good story they could do well with the Hobgoblin as both Goblins onscreen did not live up to the full potential that a Goblin could have onscreen.

Yeah I wanted a different, cooler motif for Harry. Guilty. =)

But my point is this; they could spend time on a Hobgoblin story in the future that could TRY to live up to a "Goblin" potential, but if they were going to do that, I would rather they bring back Norman Osborn and they do a story that lives up to the full potential of both THE Green Goblin AND Norman Osborn. He could come back full on, medieval, chain-mail decked out like in Marvel Knights Spider-Man, my favorite Goblin costume ever.

[david icke]

While I like the mystery aspect you're talking about, I think it works best in a monthly comic and not a two-hour movie. The Original Green Goblin was even introduced this way in the comics, and it was a great reveal when Norman Osborn was behind the mask. Spider-Man 1 didn't have the time to set that up, so you saw Osborn take the performance enhancers from the get go.

The mystery aspect worked on The Spectacular Spider-Man again, though, which I really liked, so I DO think it's cool. Just not for the movies or future movies. Not enough time to do it justice.

But my point is this; they could spend time on a Hobgoblin story in the future that could TRY to live up to a "Goblin" potential, but if they were going to do that, I would rather they bring back Norman Osborn and they do a story that lives up to the full potential of both THE Green Goblin AND Norman Osborn. He could come back full on, medieval, chain-mail decked out like in Marvel Knights Spider-Man, my favorite Goblin costume ever.

I think they could have a good stab at it though. They could have one great movie where Spidey is frantic throughout the whole movie trying to track down this Hobgoblin before he stumbles on any info on his secret ID Norman or Harry might have left sitting around. A real fast paced movie.
If they set up a few characters in the preceding movie/s like Ned Leeds, Lance Bannon, what have you, and leave them open for the Hobgoblin's secret ID, bonus. If a forward thinking director was in control of two movies or a trilogy he could leave a couple of clues and red herrings leading up the Hobgoblin's appearance.
Sure, a monthly comic does this best, but that's the same for most things in comicbook movies. We get the thrill of seeing these guys in the flesh but there's a trade off as they are so expensive to produce.

As for Goblin onscreen potential, well, I'd prefer they stayed in this continuity, even if new people come in for a 're-boot'. I'd rather we had the Hobgoblin next as opposed to Norman re-vamped.
With Norman we had him in a movie where he was facing Spider-man for only half the film, and there were no great airel battles to speak of.
With Harry we got one great airel battle, but then he shared the movie with 2 other villans and many sub-plots.
You do a Hobgoblin movie you get him onscreen against Spidey the whole movie, Spidey frantic about his family and friends safety if he finds out his secret ID, lots of airel battles, Goblin revealed, the full shebang, I'd like to see it, it could be done.

Re: Ultimate comics. I admit i have not read any FF or Spidey Ultimates, but I understand the Glactus cloud was somewhat of a compromise and was like the thing they did in the Ultimate books with him composed of lots of tiny thingmabobs.
I've seen pictures from Ultimate Spidey of villans etc and have not been interested in it tbh, I would just be scared that a director would turn to them instead of using the original strong concepts.

[Hectorminator]

I was actually suggesting, David, that they bring Norman Osborn back from the "dead," in this current movie continuity, and spend their time and effort placing clues and whatnot for Osborn, with a big "medieval" Goblin-reveal in Spider-Man 6.

Like, instead of spending all their story-telling efforts on Ned Leeds or Kingsley or someone. Follow the original comics that stated Osborn gained a slow-working healing factor with his performance enhancers, and he fakes his death, goes to Europe, and tries to control Harry from the sidelines into taking over as the Green Goblin. I must admit, Norman Osborn is my favorite movie villain, and Willem Dafoe definitely adds to that with his awesome performance. I want to see him come back.

I could totally see the movie you're talking about, the fast-paced mystery, but I would rather see them bring back Norman. This idea would still need a forward thinking director to bring back Osborn and the Goblin over the course of the next three movies.

I also want to see a great aerial battle between Spidey and the Green Goblin. And plenty of Spidey frantic about his family, since Osborn knows: "you have to attack his heart!"

RE: Ultimate Comics. Give some of them a shot, especially Spider-Man, the Ultimates (Avengers), Fantastic Four's first collected story, and X-Men's first few stories. A lot of the time, they do things better than the films, and if you know what to pick and choose, it can be good source material. I only read the first half of the 3 Galactus books they did, and although it had some interesting ideas and it was certainly creepy, Galactus is a character that needs to be represented as a Giant Purple Being. You can't do it any other way. I like the Ultimate line as movie source material when they use a combination of these and the original stories, which for the most part, they seem to do. Nice chatting with you.

[david icke]

I was actually suggesting, David, that they bring Norman Osborn back from the "dead," in this current movie continuity, and spend their time and effort placing clues and whatnot for Osborn, with a big "medieval" Goblin-reveal in Spider-Man 6.

Like, instead of spending all their story-telling efforts on Ned Leeds or Kingsley or someone. Follow the original comics that stated Osborn gained a slow-working healing factor with his performance enhancers, and he fakes his death, goes to Europe, and tries to control Harry from the sidelines into taking over as the Green Goblin. I must admit, Norman Osborn is my favorite movie villain, and Willem Dafoe definitely adds to that with his awesome performance. I want to see him come back.

Yeah, I know what you mean about wanting Dafoe back, he was one of the great movie super-villans. But, I don't know about bringing him back from the dead. I'd rather they tried to get someone in who could match him for quality in a new villan, they always run the risk of diluting or bismirching the previous appearance if ot comes off hokey.

I was away from buying superhero comics for about 10yrs and was shocked when I picked up a book that mentioned Norman was back, I didn't really like the idea. It was good to see him back in 'New days to die', but part of me wishes they'd just stuck with the original death as the original arc and death was pretty perfect.
I don't even want to know about all that ret-conned stuff about Gwen Stacey having a kid or kids with him or something, jeez, can't they find new characters and mythologies to write about. Although, to be fair i haven't read that story so might enjoy it for all I know.
cheers for the recommends on the Ultimate books, I do like Mark Miller's stuff, Kick-Ass, 1985, Enemy of the state, Civil War, and didn't realise until yesterday it was he who wrote UFF, I'll have to have a look at it sometime and not be such an old 616 stick in the mud.

[venomvsspidey]

vanessa hudgens as liz allen. :dry:

[Hectorminator]

Yeah, I know what you mean about wanting Dafoe back, he was one of the great movie super-villans. But, I don't know about bringing him back from the dead.

Well, the idea is that he wouldn't be dead, he would have faked his death to mess with Peter's life from a distance. But after he loses his son, he comes back and puts his master plan (The Sinister Six) into motion.

I was away from buying superhero comics for about 10yrs and was shocked when I picked up a book that mentioned Norman was back, I didn't really like the idea. It was good to see him back in 'New days to die', but part of me wishes they'd just stuck with the original death as the original arc and death was pretty perfect.
I don't even want to know about all that ret-conned stuff about Gwen Stacey having a kid or kids with him or something, jeez, can't they find new characters and mythologies to write about. Although, to be fair i haven't read that story so might enjoy it for all I know.

I like some of the stuff that came after Osborn came back, like him being more of a schemer, kidnapping MJ and taking her to the Gwen Stacy bridge, and him putting together the Sinister Twelve. Plus he thought that fighting Peter gave him purpose in his life. I love that stuff =)

And I think Millar plotted the first book from Ultimate Fantastic Four, while Brian Michael Bendis wrote the dialogue. Awesome.

[Joker]

- Bringing Norman Osborn back. The Osborn/Goblin story is done!
- Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. Campbell is the cameo guy. Not a villain. Might as well make Stan Lee a villain, too.
- Any symbiote related villains in Spider-Man 4. Raimi hates them.
- Peter and MJ getting married. They proved in SM-3 they were too immature for a stable relationship. No way are they ready for marriage. They haven't even lived together yet.

[venomvsspidey]

- Bringing Norman Osborn back. The Osborn/Goblin story is done!
- Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. Campbell is the cameo guy. Not a villain. Might as well make Stan Lee a villain, too.
- Any symbiote related villains in Spider-Man 4. Raimi hates them.
- Peter and MJ getting married. They proved in SM-3 they were too immature for a stable relationship. No way are they ready for marriage. They haven't even lived together yet.


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THIS.

[zeptron]

vanessa hudgens as liz allen. :dry:

You got that from the SM4 trivia section at imdb right? That was most likely submitted by some 14 year old. I don't think anyone on this board actually suggested that.

[venomvsspidey]

You got that from the SM4 trivia section at imdb right? That was most likely submitted by some 14 year old. I don't think anyone on this board actually suggested that.

no, someone on the SPIDER-MAN 4 IMDB messageboard suggested that.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0948470/board/thread/147269148?d=147282499&p=1#147282499

_______________________

Haha, thats a good and obvious point. Luckily more modern characters like the X-Men are more diverse. But yeah its a serious deficiency considering the racial makeup of the US. But saying that they shouldn't just make all the villians, black/latino/asian, thats just lame. Thats why I'm all for making Liz Allen's be played by Vanessa Hudgens, and not the steretypical white/blonde chick.

[zeptron]

:doh:

This is why I don't take 98% of the people who post there seriously.

Well if you haven't seen it already this was in the trivia section.

(http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000600/)Sam Raimi (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000600/) thought Vanessa Hudgens (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1227814/) would be a great choice for Liz Allan.

This was probably submitted by whoever posted that on the board. Hell, I'm pretty sure most of the stuff submitted right now somebody just made up.

[venomvsspidey]

:doh:

This is why I don't take 98% of the people who post there seriously.

Well if you haven't seen it already this was in the trivia section.

[url="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000600/"]

This was probably submitted by whoever posted that on the board. Hell, I'm pretty sure most of the stuff submitted right now somebody just made up.


^^

exactly. and yeah, i have seen some of the..*ahem* trivia for spidey 4. one time it said raimi will be doing carnage.
A) were done with the symbionts
B) umm...aunt may as carnage again? lulz

[The Bruce]

Probably one of the most annoying & dumb sugestions ever made. Honestly.

Like you said, SM's universe is not a dark universe like Batman's and neither is the character. I have another:

- people wanting Michael Papajohn to return and become a villain (Chameleon, Electro I think I saw..). All I have to say is: :dry: ...

It’s funny ‘cause Spider-man has Batman beat when it comes to truly dark events. It's just that the book always handled the drama much more lighthearted than Batman books. And Dark Knight wasn’t that dark at all. It felt cheesy at some points.

[Adrian89]

It’s funny ‘cause Spider-man has Batman beat when it comes to truly dark events.
I don't mean dark events (whatever you mean by that), read my post again please.

It's just that the book always handled the drama much more lighthearted than Batman books.
Uhmm.. it's true, so? What does this have to do with my post? I wasn't talking about drama. I think you missunderstood my whole point.

And Dark Knight wasn’t that dark at all. It felt cheesy at some points. The hell with TDK, stop bringing it in every discussion. I didn't even mentioned it. I just made a simple statement which you didn't understood.:p

[david icke]

Well, the idea is that he wouldn't be dead, he would have faked his death to mess with Peter's life from a distance. But after he loses his son, he comes back and puts his master plan (The Sinister Six) into motion.


Yeah, I didn't mean literally bringing him back from the dead, like a Lazarus type deal. I meant bringing him back from the dead as he was written originally to have died and is dead in the minds of the audience.
It turning out that he had some master plan of faking his death just has that 'Bobby coming out of the shower, it was all a dream' in 'Dallas' whiff about it to me. ie regretting they killed someone off only to bring them back with some outlandish explanation.
In the comics it's maybe not so bad as they have a monthly quota to fill forever, but for the movies we've only had 3 movies and 5 villans, so it would bring a whiff of desperation and no confidence in any other villans or actors being any good in future films.

[Joker]

It’s funny ‘cause Spider-man has Batman beat when it comes to truly dark events.

Not a chance. Please list all of the events you consider dark in the Spidey mythos, and I guarantee I can match them with a plethora of ones from the Batman mythos.

It's just that the book always handled the drama much more lighthearted than Batman books.

No, it didn't. Gwen Stacy's death, and the aftermath consequences of it were very grim, for example. ASM #121 and #122 are one of the darkest comic book stories I've ever read.

What drama did they handle in a lighthearted fashion? You surely don't mean stuff like Peter losing jobs, or pissing off girlfriends because of his unreliable nature?

Stuff like that is not dark.

And Dark Knight wasn’t that dark at all. It felt cheesy at some points.

I can count on one hand the number of cheesey moments in TDK. TDK was dripping in grim darkness.

The Spider-Man movies are bursting with cheesiness and comedy.

[Hectorminator]

- Bringing Norman Osborn back. The Osborn/Goblin story is done!
- Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. Campbell is the cameo guy. Not a villain. Might as well make Stan Lee a villain, too.
- Any symbiote related villains in Spider-Man 4. Raimi hates them.
- Peter and MJ getting married. They proved in SM-3 they were too immature for a stable relationship. No way are they ready for marriage. They haven't even lived together yet.

Word.

[bullets]

Spider-man doesn't need to be dark like the dark knight. Iwas supposed to be in Spider-man 3 with the venom storyline but it never really got there . It was more like a dark comedy. I just want the same balance as Spider-Man 2 had. There were serious moments and they also had fun with it at times.

[smoothbody]

Pretty much everything everyone has said, even though I don't care too much about the Ock suggestion. But in addition...

-Recasting MJ this late in the franchise. A new face in this role is not what the franchise needs. With the retcons in 3 and possibly even 4, we don't need a face retcon.
(I love that term now. I just made it up. xD)

-Shia LaBeouf as Peter/ Spider-Man (not necessarily in 4, but just at all). I didn't like the idea when smoothbody was around, saying it in every thread, and I don't like it now. I do like Shia, though.

I'M not going anywhere dude,LMOL!!!!!! Fine you want this franchise turning into Batman pre Begins? or you want this franchise turning into Superman post DONNER!! Cause that is what your going to get!!:doh:

This news utterly disgusts me.. old bloated tobey,& crackheadish kirsten & suit wearing raimi all returning...great,just great!!!!!:wow:

[spider-neil]

Not a chance. Please list all of the events you consider dark in the Spidey mythos, and I guarantee I can match them with a plethora of ones from the Batman mythos.






death of gwen stacy (death of a girlfriend)
death of capt stacy (death of mentor)
death of jean dewolf (brutal killing of a friend)
last hunt of kraven (buried alive for three days)
spidey in black (spidey becomes brutal as he searches for may's shooter)
moribus (spidey battles the undead)
the other (spidey battles mytsical creature that has battled 'spidermen' though the centuries)

that's just off the top of my head

[spider-neil]

double post

[smoothbody]

LOL, hey do you guy's think John Jameson will return from mars with the real symbiot??

do you think Harry left Peter some money so he can move Aunt May back into her house??

do you think we will get more musical/dance scenes???

do you think Tobey will lose weight for this movie??

do you think Kirsten will gain weight for this movie??

one last question, is Shia Labeouf & Mary Elizabeth Winstead AVAILABLE???

[Joker]

death of gwen stacy (death of a girlfriend)

Death of his parents. Shot in front of him as a little boy.

death of capt stacy (death of mentor)

Death of Jason Todd. Beaten to death with a crowbar.

death of jean dewolf (brutal killing of a friend)

Death of Tim Drake's mother. Poisoned.

last hunt of kraven (buried alive for three days)

Batman's back broken by Bane.

spidey in black (spidey becomes brutal as he searches for may's shooter)

Barbara Gordon shot in the spine and crippled by the Joker.

moribus (spidey battles the undead)

Battling Man-Bat, Clayface, and a plethora of other monsters.

the other (spidey battles mytsical creature that has battled 'spidermen' though the centuries)

LOL! There was nothing dark about the Other. It's ranked as one of the worst Spidey stories ever. But I can top that with any number of choices:

- Jim Gordon stripped naked, forced onto a rollercoaster by circus freaks, and shown pictures of naked daughter lying in a pool of blood.
- Two Face ripping off half of his own face with his bare hands to undo his plastic surgery
- Joker blowing off Sarah Essen's head, and leaving her body in a room full of babies sitting in her blood!!!!
- Corneilius Stirk cutting out the hearts of people and making a broth out of them.
- Scarecrow using little orphan children in an orphanage as test subjects for his fear gas!!!
- Jason Todd waking up alive in a buried coffin, and clawing his way out, fingernails breaking off as he claws his way out and everything.

that's just off the top of my head

Ditto.

I really don't want to turn this into a Batman vs Spidey thread, but I've got TONS more examples.

[anrrd_2]

^batman wins:ybat:

[spider-neil]

spider-man has had dark chapters in his life but he isn't a dark character and I don't want him to become a dark character. his MO is to wisecrack while beating up villians for pete's sake.

[anrrd_2]

^thats what we need more of...less crying and emo hair swoops and more wise ass while punching bad guys

[bullets]

^batman wins:ybat:


Not necessarily . If someone were to dig into every Spider-man comic they
would find a ton worth of examples.

I'm almost 100 percent certain i've seen nudity in a batman comic before.

Spider-man doesn't brood though , at least not nearly as much.

[anrrd_2]

^thats the thing, you have to dig deep with spider-man. every ones how dark batman is just from general knowledge. but spidey shouldn't be like batman anyway so its a moot point.:)

[venomvsspidey]

This news utterly disgusts me.. old bloated tobey,& crackheadish kirsten & suit wearing raimi all returning...great,just great!!!!!:wow:


ea, and sam witwicky would make an EPIC spider-man, with his girlish screams and over the top acting! :dry::dry::dry:

[venomvsspidey]

Death of his parents. Shot in front of him as a little boy.



Death of Jason Todd. Beaten to death with a crowbar.



Death of Tim Drake's mother. Poisoned.



Batman's back broken by Bane.



Barbara Gordon shot in the spine and crippled by the Joker.



Battling Man-Bat, Clayface, and a plethora of other monsters.



LOL! There was nothing dark about the Other. It's ranked as one of the worst Spidey stories ever. But I can top that with any number of choices:

- Jim Gordon stripped naked, forced onto a rollercoaster by circus freaks, and shown pictures of naked daughter lying in a pool of blood.
- Two Face ripping off half of his own face with his bare hands to undo his plastic surgery
- Joker blowing off Sarah Essen's head, and leaving her body in a room full of babies sitting in her blood!!!!
- Corneilius Stirk cutting out the hearts of people and making a broth out of them.
- Scarecrow using little orphan children in an orphanage as test subjects for his fear gas!!!
- Jason Todd waking up alive in a buried coffin, and clawing his way out, fingernails breaking off as he claws his way out and everything.



Ditto.

I really don't want to turn this into a Batman vs Spidey thread, but I've got TONS more examples.

here's my opinion. :ybat:=:spidey:

[bullets]

^thats the thing, you have to dig deep with spider-man. every ones how dark batman is just from general knowledge. but spidey shouldn't be like batman anyway so its a moot point.:)


Well they certainly should not be the same but I'm just saying Spider-man has alot of dark material . The character's personalities and philosophies are different , you can't make the same movie.

[willemjoker]

- bringing norman osborn back. The osborn/goblin story is done!
- bruce campbell as mysterio. Campbell is the cameo guy. Not a villain. might as well make stan lee a villain, too.
- any symbiote related villains in spider-man 4. Raimi hates them.
- peter and mj getting married. They proved in sm-3 they were too immature for a stable relationship. No way are they ready for marriage. They haven't even lived together yet.

Stan Lee for Hobgoblin!!!!

[venomvsspidey]

Stan Lee for Hobgoblin!!!!

:hehe::hehe::hehe: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: