Should Whiplash live?

[Aesop Rocks]

In most if not all comic book movies, the hero ends up killing the villain that's the end of that. Well, that's not the case from most if not all comics.

In basically every comic, the villain lives to see another day and always winds up fighting the hero sooner or later time. This I want to see, badly. I'm tired of all the villains being killed and, not to make people mad but, I loved what The Joker said to Batman in The Dark Knight "we're destined to do this forever".

I think Whiplash should live and not be the only Marvel villain to do so, I would love to see Red Skull live (if he's the first villain in Captain America), Abomination is still alive, so that's good, Spider-Man basically killed every villain he went against, minus Sandman and Doc. Oc.

Does anyone else agree with me?

EDIT: Thanks to C. Lee for adding in the poll.

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

yeah..........but whip will prolly die in a explosion or something :hehe:

[Aesop Rocks]

So, what does that have to do with him living? Living means fighting to see another day. :P

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

So, what does that have to do with him living? Living means fighting to see another day. :P
im sayin that IM will prolly beat him up and then he will let him to die in a explosion ina building or something, its very cliche. :hehe:

[Aesop Rocks]

He dies in an unrelated accident. XD

[Dog Brother #1]

Only if he doesn't become Dynamo in the movie. I want to see either Titanium Man or Crimson Dynamo in IM3 if the rumors or true he's not in 2.

[Aesop Rocks]

I think Jon could be going for a Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo hybrid.

[Dog Brother #1]

Alas, the statement about the video game says that while he is i the game, he is not in the movie. At least not in full form any way.

[Chris B]

I don't really have a preference to be honest. I would say die if only because I can't see Rourke going beyond one film.

If he does die, I think it would be kind off a cool nod to the comics' handling of Crimson Dynamo if they had the Whiplash alias becoming one that is constantly being recycled in the films. Maybe in IM3 or the Avengers, if they go the Masters of Evil route, to have the second Dynamo, Boris Turgeniv take up the whips?

[BobJM]

I think Whiplash will die. I'm all for villains living to fight in another film, but in all the descriptions and set reports, Rourke just sounds like a glorified thug in this movie with the real villain being Hammer.

Clearly Hammer should live and Whiplash's armor should remain. Leave the door open for sequels in which characters from the comic take the armor and modify it to something more accurate (Titanium Man, real Crimson Dynamo)

[Ironfan72]

He dies in an unrelated accident. XD

lol, funny, maybe a plane crash with Stane :D

But, seriously, I think he should live, there seems to be this trend of late to kill off the villains, as Nolan did with Two-face, not a fan of killing off the villains, but that may just be me.

[Spiderine]

Hammer should definitely live. However I don't give a crap what happens to Whiplash. He is a thug and nothing more. I have no interest in seeing him return.

[protocida]

He lives and SHIELD sends him to the Vault, where Emil Blonsky/Abomination is also imprisioned.

[Aesop Rocks]

I'd love to see him there.

Maybe be can make his days go by breaking out of prisons.

[Aesop Rocks]

I'd love to see him there.

Maybe be can make his days go by breaking out of prisons.

[The Squirrel]

I say let Whiplash die and let Hammer live.

[protocida]

The Vault. Ivan Vanko is being scorted by two SHIELD agents (Name tags "Dungan" and "Sitwell") to his cell, watchet by a special team. They pass by a cell labbled "Blonsky, Emil". Roars can be heard, and fists punch the walls.

[Aesop Rocks]

How the hell could they keep The Abomination in a cell?

[protocida]

It's an Adamantium cell.

[Aesop Rocks]

Ah!

[Mr. Earle]

It's an Adamantium cell.
I'd rather kill the bastard and sell the cell if you know what i mean...

[Shivsguy616]

I'd rather kill the bastard and sell the cell if you know what i mean...

Um, no. No idea what you mean...

[kedrell]

I'd rather kill the bastard and sell the cell if you know what i mean...

I also don't know what you mean. But I'm sure they'd like to kill him, if only they knew how.

[kedrell]

It's an Adamantium cell.

Does Marvel even have the rights to use adamantium? Does Fox own those rights via the X-Men and Wolverine? I hope not.

[BobJM]

I doubt SHIELD or the US Government would kill Abomination. Like Hulk, he's the closest shot they've got to the serum that created Captain America.

[protocida]

Does Marvel even have the rights to use adamantium? Does Fox own those rights via the X-Men and Wolverine? I hope not.
OK, it's a Vibrannium cell, then.

[kedrell]

OK, it's a Vibrannium cell, then.

Hehe, but he'd get out then.:cwink:

But I was serious about wondering if Marvel is able to use adamantium. I sure hope they are, because it's a lot more than razor claws.

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

It's an Adamantium cell.

i was thinking tranquilizers since adamantium is Marvel´s.

[Mr. Earle]

Um, no. No idea what you mean...
I also don't know what you mean. But I'm sure they'd like to kill him, if only they knew how.Kill the monster so that you dont have to cage him, and then sell the cell, which is adamantium.... Turn it into jewels... you ll be a millionaire. Got it? :hehe:

[The IronMan]

Have him live to upgrad his WHIPS and become backlash

[Spider-Vader]

I'd like to see him live so he can be part of the Masters of Evil in one of the Avengers movies.

[The Overlord]

In most if not all comic book movies, the hero ends up killing the villain that's the end of that. Well, that's not the case from most if not all comics.

In basically every comic, the villain lives to see another day and always winds up fighting the hero sooner or later time. This I want to see, badly. I'm tired of all the villains being killed and, not to make people mad but, I loved what The Joker said to Batman in The Dark Knight "we're destined to do this forever".

I think Whiplash should live and not be the only Marvel villain to do so, I would love to see Red Skull live (if he's the first villain in Captain America), Abomination is still alive, so that's good, Spider-Man basically killed every villain he went against, minus Sandman and Doc. Oc.

Does anyone else agree with me?

EDIT: Thanks to C. Lee for adding in the poll.

Comics are different from movies, the movie going public is not going to want to see the same villains over and over again, unless you give him a good reason for returning. Unlike comic book fans, the public wants see stories concluded, not dragged out, so villains in these movies are often killed off to provide a conclusion. At this point I'm not sure Whiplash himself is interesting enough to appear in another movie.

[Negrotigre]

Does Marvel even have the rights to use adamantium? Does Fox own those rights via the X-Men and Wolverine? I hope not.

Damn! I've never even thought of that.

[Keyser Soze]

If anything, I'd imagine Justin Hammer would be the recurring villain, rather than Whiplash.

[kedrell]

^That would make the most sense.

[Katsuro]

I definately dont think Whiplash would need to return for sequels, but that doesn't necessarily mean he has to die. Depending on how the story works out, he could just end up in jail or something. I mean, dont superheroes usually try to avoid killing whenever possible?

[protocida]

Imagine Whiplash in the Masters of Terror!

[Grommers]

As long as one of the villains live..to be honest I'm always waiting for a moment in a movie much like in JLU where Luthor finds out he has cancer, and even the super hero feels sympathetic towards him...spiderman 3...well tried something like that with sandman...but well failed miserably.

[Fresh Prince]

I like to see him die.

[Figs]

Does Marvel even have the rights to use adamantium? Does Fox own those rights via the X-Men and Wolverine? I hope not.


I doubt Fox owns the rights to an object/material like Adamantium. They own the rights to certain characters but I think that's it.

If they did though that would be the biggest load of horse ****.

Personally I like the idea of Whiplash surviving and being arrested by S.H.I.E.L.D and taken to the Vault where Abomination is being held.

[kedrell]

I doubt Fox owns the rights to an object/material like Adamantium. They own the rights to certain characters but I think that's it.

If they did though that would be the biggest load of horse ****.

Personally I like the idea of Whiplash surviving and being arrested by S.H.I.E.L.D and taken to the Vault where Abomination is being held.
I'll admit, the idea's not without it's appeal. But you just gotta ask yourself, why would Vanko(sans tech) need a prison designed to incarcerate superhuman criminals?

[protocida]

Because, if he build his suit in prison, he could do it again?

[terry78]

I'll admit, the idea's not without it's appeal. But you just gotta ask yourself, why would Vanko(sans tech) need a prison designed to incarcerate superhuman criminals?

Because one of the other villains hanging around the Marvel movieverse probably got wind of what he had been doing and decide to recruit his ass for future plans.

[WindsofHorus]

I don't think Whiplash should come back, but I would like him to live.

The problem with Spider-man, as posted earlier, is that all his villians have died, except Sandman and I don't believe Venom is dead (atleast I don't feel it's possible). Spider-man in the movieverse doesn't have a rogues gallery anymore. So I wouldn't mind seeing Stark build one up.

[DarkReflections]

i want whiplash to live. im sick and tired of villians being killed off, unless they actually do die in the comics.

[darthlaney]

God I hope so ... The better question is should he be in the movie to start

I'll go on the record and say the images at the race track of whiplash look crap, I'm hoping for a serious upgrade and then a fiery death - Marvel won't make money selling this movie around the heroic battle against this bad guy. I'm amazed that after so much positive attention to TDK and the Joker that Marvel didn't really try to get a really awesome villian for this movie.

[Aesop Rocks]

Jon said that yes, he does upgrade.

[SuperFerret]

I figure this is the best place to ask, just who, exactly, is Whiplash? I've never heard of him before.

Also, if they can't use "adamantium", simply saying that the cell is made of an unbreakable alloy would serve the same purpose.

[Doctor Jones]

I think SHIELD can hold these guys because these villains are people that other prisons or people can't explain or hold them. Maybe SHIELD will take these guys, lock them up, and are only known to themselves. They are a secret division after all. The villains will be hushed up if they go in.

[kedrell]

^That'd be the only logical reason to continue holding Vanko in a place like the Vault. To keep a lid on him because he knows too much sensitive information, like how the mini-arc reactor works. So maybe the Vault has an entire wing or cell block for villains/criminals who normally wouldn't require such measures, but Shield still needs to keep them isolated and under their watch due to information they possess.

[Aesop Rocks]

But you have to take into consideration exactly how big is SHEILD? I mean for all we know, it could be like 20 dudes in a ware-house.

And if they're apart of the Goverment, why hasn't Stark heard of them?

[StanLee Wannabe]

Why would he know everything? That makes no sense. Sure he does weapons contracts, but that doesn't mean he knows the inner workings of the entire thing. Sam J has to tell him about the Avenger Initiative at the end of his movie.

Why is a super-powered prison such a stretch for a world with super-villians?

[protocida]

They're a secret division. People can't know they exist.

I figure this is the best place to ask, just who, exactly, is Whiplash? I've never heard of him before.
Mark Scarlotti was a brilliant eletrical engineer from Stark Enterprises who became obssesed with power. Motivated by it, he developed advanced eletrical whips and became the supervillain Whiplash, usually working as a criminal-for-hire for organizations such as MAGGIA, normally, facing off Iron Man. He eventually upgraded his weapons and became Blacklash. His wife, also a criminal-for-hire, started using the name of Whiplash as they started working together. She eventually died.

[SuperFerret]

Mark Scarlotti was a brilliant eletrical engineer from Stark Enterprises who became obssesed with power. Motivated by it, he developed advanced eletrical whips and became the supervillain Whiplash, usually working as a criminal-for-hire for organizations such as MAGGIA, normally, facing off Iron Man. He eventually upgraded his weapons and became Blacklash. His wife, also a criminal-for-hire, started using the name of Whiplash as they started working together. She eventually died.

Thanks. Sounds interesting.

[protocida]

No problem. His story was changed in the movie, tough.

[WindsofHorus]

No problem. His story was changed in the movie, tough.
Yes, now he's Ivan Vanko. He spends some time in a Russian Prison and builds his suit to break out. It's meant to mirror Stark breaking out from the Ten Rings. Ivan Vanko is also the name of the original Crimson Dynamo in the comics.

[protocida]

Actually, the original name is Anton Vanko. It's Ivan's father name in Movieverse. Ivan hates the Stark family for something they've done to HIS family in the past. He considers them "Thieves and Butchers" and plans to get revenge on them by killing Tony Stark.

[Aesop Rocks]

So, basically, Ivan is a good guy whos simply out for revenge?

[protocida]

And he's an ex-arms dealer.

[Aesop Rocks]

Is that the official statement?

[protocida]

Yep.

[Aesop Rocks]

FFFFFFFFFF-- :cmad:

[protocida]

Don't like it?

[Knightsaber Priss]

Dear God I get so sick and tired of villains always getting killed off in movies, comic genre or not. I mean it's just more innovative not to kill them off nowadays.

[Aesop Rocks]

Don't like it?

I don't mind it.

[Knightsaber Priss]

Just thought I should add that should the character survive I can see Whiplash working along with Madame Masque.

[protocida]

I doubt Madam Madame Masque will appear. She's basicly an evil Black Widow.

[Knightsaber Priss]

I doubt Madam Madame Masque will appear. She's basicly an evil Black Widow.

Henceforth the reason why they'd use her. According to my research she's really not so much evil. She's just criminally insane, meaning that her defective mind and the fact she's been hideously scarred adding to her madness has contributed to the motivations of her actions.

And aren't they setting up Whiplash as an anti-Ironman?

[protocida]

Not that I know.

[Knightsaber Priss]

Not that I know.

Considering that Ivan's escape from that Siberian prison is similar to Tony Stark's escape from the Ten Rings, I'd think that's strong evidence Whiplash is a sort of anti-Ironman, moreso than Ironmonger.

[protocida]

That's most likely the only similarity between them. The anti-Tony Stark is Justin Hammer.

[Keyser Soze]

That's most likely the only similarity between them. The anti-Tony Stark is Justin Hammer.

I think they're both dark reflections of Iron Man, in their own ways. Justin Hammer's like a dark reflection of the man he was, and Whiplash is a dark reflection of the man he's become.

[bossman550]

If he does die I don't want it to be an accident like first spider man lol. "dont tell lil ivan"

[NEXUS 6]

He should live, if only for the fact that Mickey Rourke is awesome, and I don't really care for actors playing more than one superhero/villain.

Also, I like the thought of his being placed in a super villain prison, and a possible T-bolts movie a few years down the road.

[*Whiplash*]

I would have no problem with a return, possibly in The Avengers movie.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see when IM2 is out. ;)

[bossman550]

he'll die, Roarke's too old 4 this he says it himself. i mean the old part