New Characters Announced For Season 2

[TheVileOne]

Even though season 2 hasn't really gotten underway yet, Josh Fine previewed some of the character designs for who we will see in season 2.

So coming up will be COLOSSUS (returning), Magick, HAVOC, and FREAKING DEADPOOL!

Nolan North will most likely play Deadpool again after Hulk VS.

Colossus is getting a reintroductory storyline with Magick and will most likely be a regular character in season 2.

Character model pics were shown for all of them which was very cool of Marvel to show us.

Deadpool's design is pretty much exactly the same as Hulk VS. or rather similar. Same costume at least. Havoc looks to be wearing his current outfit.

[Ziggyman]

Cool...really cool!

...How do you include Wolverine in Colossus's storyline...?

[TheVileOne]

Not sure what you mean.

But basically, I imagine it will work much like how Storm was brought back in for episode 4. In the first season you had characters gradually re-joining the team. With Colossus it will be similar to that.

[Ziggyman]

Not sure what you mean.

But basically, I imagine it will work much like how Storm was brought back in for episode 4. In the first season you had characters gradually re-joining the team. With Colossus it will be similar to that.
Oh...my bad...I thought you meant he had kinda like his own origin storyline...now I got it, yea...like Storm's little episode, that would be cool!

[Dread]

Vile One was doing reporting for Toonzone for the Con. :)

I'll try not to give the exact same responses in two topics.

Colossus was already designed for Season 1 so I am curious whether it is really much different or not. I mean his character model was used in episode 1 and I think 8 after all. Aside for maybe a civilian model I don't see the need for many alterings. To be honest I have been let down by the show before so I'll wait until I see some finished product before I get giddy.

That said, even if it is only one focus episode, Colossus hasn't had one on ANY show since 1994. Kyle, Johnson, and Yost have to top him crushing Omega Red with a tank. The irony is that despite only having two episodes in the 90's, they did give Piotr a mini storyline. His first was being a mutant with powers similar to Juggernaut who was always being accused of the lug's crimes, and trying to prove himself against that. The second was of course saving his family from bitter Ex-Commie's. The 90's show was imperfect and dated, but they usually tried to give their guest characters, such as Iceman, Nightcrawler, and Colossus, some sort of character drama when they popped up.

I hope pairing him with Magik wasn't out of network desire for "teenage" characters, much as X-23 was half made because Kid's WB gave them fits in Evolution doing Wolverine solo episodes, so they made a kid version to tag along. Magik herself is complicated with all the demon stuff and I am curious what gets streamlined for a mainstream TV audience. I admit it probably isn't going to be easy trying to re-insert Colossus into the show after he sat virtually all of it out so far; I can't think of any cartoon show that introduced a character suddenly in the middle of Season 2 who became a big deal and it mattered at all. Especially if they already have a team of characters and some needed to be fleshed, like Iceman or Storm. But at least it seems they want to try. I hope they don't see the need to alter Colossus' personality much. A stoic "nice farmboy hero" has a place on a team of differing opinions, from gruff jaded leaders to emo trench coat donners and so on.

Curious as to Havok's design as well.

[TheVileOne]

I don't think you can boil X23 down that way since that's a personal character for someone like Craig Kyle, and also Craig Kyle's favorite character. Not to mention, that X23 in the comics has far surpassed this ideal of needing another teenage character to tag along for Wolverine which only happened like what, twice in X-men Evolution?

Dread, you need to lay off. Colossus' model was the same as his model for season 1. No human model was shown.

Also, second. I don't appreciate your cynical prediction on the inclusion of his sister. For one thing, Illyana was in the 1990's series, though not as Magik. For another, Magik has been an important recurring character in the comics throughout X-men history and lore. The show has included a ton of X-men characters young and old. The main team mainly features adults instead of teenagers, even though the X-men BEGAN AS A TEENAGE SUPERHERO TEAM of teenaged mutant students. Why not include Magik since we know Colossus went back to Russia to be with his family? We know Magik/Illyana should be there.

Havoc has his modern character design.

[Dread]

I don't think you can boil X23 down that way since that's a personal character for someone like Craig Kyle, and also Craig Kyle's favorite character. Not to mention, that X23 in the comics has far surpassed this ideal of needing another teenage character to tag along for Wolverine which only happened like what, twice in X-men Evolution?

I read some interview from Johnson or Kirkland on the BEYOND EVOLUTION website that claimed that part of why X-23 was created was to enable them to do Wolverine episodes considering Kid's WB was obsessed with teenage characters. Of course, Kyle likely is closer to the character than that, but I was just going by some prior interviews. Personally I think Evolution made the mistake of feeling their original characters needed to be attached to an established X-Man to work, and so thus you had characters who was more details of another character than characters unto themselves. Spyke faced that difficulty for a while. I never cared for X-23 and was never interested in her comic stints. The only time I liked her was, amazingly, in Robert Kirkman's MTU arc "Legion of Losers" and I read some people claim that Kirkman wrote her "wrong" because she actually had a personality. She has excellent reasons for being stiff as wood, being created and psychologically mutilated by the Program/Weapon X, but stiff as wood she is to me, and that's the problem. I already get Wolverine 600 times a month in comics, I saw no need for him to have a sidekick daughter who shows up half as often, or at least used to. And that was BEFORE Daken.

To be fair, though, I likely prefer X-23 to Daken, and feel she has more life than he does. But naturally Kyle, Johnson, and/or Yost > Daniel Way. But I digress.

I am curious how the X-Men justify slaughtering the Marauders in the comics because they are "clones who don't count" to themselves and yet still can try telling X-23 that she matters. Seems hypocritical. But anyway, I just don't like X-23 at all. Although I would be morbidly curious about a non-canonical meeting between her and Ben "Scarlet Spider" Reilly, the other much hated clone of an A-List character. Maybe they could take on Ragnarok, the evil cyborg clone of Thor. :p

Dread, you need to lay off. Colossus' model was the same as his model for season 1. No human model was shown.

Okay. I was curious. Steve E. Gordon's altered his style for WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN but most of his character models are fine. His "big" characters like Juggernaut or Colossus have the flaw of being a bit top-heavy (with arms the size of their torsos), but it's not like "big man" designs in many cartoons over the years haven't done that, from Bane in THE BATMAN or Rhino in SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN and so on, so it's no problem. I was just curious if they had shown a "new" model for him.

Also, second. I don't appreciate your cynical prediction on the inclusion of his sister. For one thing, Illyana was in the 1990's series, though not as Magik. For another, Magik has been an important recurring character in the comics throughout X-men history and lore. The show has included a ton of X-men characters young and old. The main team mainly features adults instead of teenagers, even though the X-men BEGAN AS A TEENAGE SUPERHERO TEAM of teenaged mutant students. Why not include Magik since we know Colossus went back to Russia to be with his family? We know Magik/Illyana should be there.

It may stem from me never liking Magik. I'm an odd sort of fellow, I know. I like Cyclops but I never especially liked Jean. Same as I like Colossus but never especially liked Magik.

It likely stems from her complicated mess of an origin in the comics that includes demonic possessions, time travel and alternate realities, the latter two are common needless distractions to X-Men Lore. The subplot with Illyana I guess was that she was someone who was even more "pure" than Colossus who wound up being tempted by dark forces, and unlike her brother, she succumbed. I just felt that the demon/magic stuff has nothing to do with what the X-Men are apart and does nothing but distract from their series' themes, much like time travel and space stories do. What do demons and alternate dimensions have to do with a hated minority class of heroes fighting for a world that hates and fears them, while trying to stop even worse members of their class from heavy handed revenge schemes? Nothing. That's not the fault of the W&TXM writers, though. If they have found a way to write Magik without bringing in all the complicated demon stuff, that would be awesome and I'd be very interested in seeing it work.

The dilemma of the X-Men as a franchise is while there is a lot of excellent stuff to mine in their comic lore, there are also mounds and mounds of needlessly complicated hogwash. The challenge is deciding which is which. To be fair, by and large WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN has mostly made wise choices. They have Mojo, but so far not any of the alter-dimensional baloney with him. They dealt a lot with the threats that matter, like the Brotherhood, Magneto, Sentinels, etc. It's never easy.

I'm also not opposed to teenage mutants showing up. Hell, I often used to defend detractors of X-MEN EVOLUTION who endlessly lambasted that show for it's teenage cast and the first two seasons dealing with high school stuff. Many of the X-Men started as teenagers.

The problem is some writers in the past comics confuse "complication" with "quality". I think Magik was often a victim of that.

Havoc has his modern character design.

That's cool. I was curious. Havok's had some...tacky suits in the past so I was interested in what Gordon & Co. came up with.

Thanks for the SDCC news. :)

[TheVileOne]

Dread, all your reasons for DISLIKING Magik are not reasons to dis-include her.

This show is not the same show as 90's or the same story as the comics. The comics only inspire shows so they can change things as they see fit.

Magik is still Colossus sister and very much a crucial part of his life. For that reason she should be in the series. Besides being a kind Russian farmboy, Colossus is also a family man that is very protective of his family, its one of his positive qualities. Colossus died because he felt he owed it to the memory of his sister even though that in itself is foolish.

[Dread]

I know. That is why I said that if Kyle, Johnson, Yost & Co. can figure a way to use Magik without succumbing to some of the flaws or complicated bits from the comics, I would be interested in seeing what they come up with. It would be hard to have a Russian story without her if you have Colossus. I'm just not chomping at the bit for Limbo or demon hooved feet.

[TheVileOne]

Well note that with Wanda we didn't get insane ***** that conjures up babies and creates House of M. We got a fairly conflicted, but strongly written and positive Wanda that believes in mutant superiority but doesn't want to achieve it the way her father wants and is also in love with Kurt. We got a very strong and moral Wanda that through arc becomes a stronger moral character through her interaction with Kurt. They didn't delve into the dumber stupidity and complications with Wanda's characters and her hex powers.

[Dread]

That's certainly true. Not only do I think Scarlet Witch was handled well in WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN, I'd dare say it was her best animated appearance to date. And she's actually shown up in quite a few shows, not only X-MEN and X-MEN: EVOLUTION, but IRON MAN and AVENGERS: UNITED THEY STAND (ugh). At first I bemoaned yet another stab with her on the Brotherhood, but the show made it work out quite well. It was one of Season 1's few pleasant surprises for me. If they handle Magik half as well, it could do wonders for her. Lord knows I managed to like Bishop here, and I usually can't stand him, either.

Oh, and behold a blurry cell phone shot of Deadpool for the show, from Comics Continuum:

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0907/29/deadpool.htm

[Dread]

((double post))

[TheVileOne]

LOL, Comics Continuum resorting to posting blurry cell phone pictures now.

Couldn't they have asked Marvel for one?

[Dread]

Apparently blurry pics make it feel more like a "scoop". :p

[TheVileOne]

Now that we are on this topic. Since we are getting Deadpool and Deadpool was a character we all really wanted to see last season especially after Hulk VS.

Who else might we see?

Since we got the X-Force writers on the show, I'd like some more of that. Specifically James Proudstar. Also . . . ELIXIR! I don't think we ever got Elixir in season 1 even though we got a lot of X-Force and New X-men appearances. We even got Vanisher.

Also, might we see the Shi'Ar, Lilandra, Guardian, etc. but maybe in a different form?

[Dread]

I wouldn't be surprised if Elixir popped up in some form in Season 2, since, like you said, characters from New X-Men and X-Force popped up in Season 1, either in the present or the future, like Hellion, X-23, and Vanisher. He's a handy healer, so why not?

While the image was blurry, I did like the Deadpool design for the show. He looked like he had a little more meat than in HULK VS. WOLVERINE, which was naturally designed by a different artist. It should be great; North voiced him well, and beyond the name, getting Deadpool past a network isn't as hard as some other characters.

To be honest I am not eager for the Shi'ar. Aliens usually are distractions for what the X-Men as a premise are about and sometimes become an agenda unto themselves. In the comics, for instance, when none of the X-Writers wanted to deal with M-Day for about a year, they all just did alien stories. Ultimate X-Men tried to "revision" Lilandra and some of her Imperial Guard as cultists who worship the Phoenix, but the Hellfire Club (or "Inner Circle") already did that in Season 1, and I don't see a reason to repeat that. Aside for time-travel, WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN has kept threats Earth-based, and somewhat simple (mutants, robots, cyborgs, advanced tech, etc.) and I'd rather keep it that way. The only superhumans who weren't mutants or empowered by technology were the Hulk and the Wendigos, but that's nothing major.

[TheVileOne]

Well they re-worked Mojo or at least made Mojo so where Mojo's background is more of an enigma.

They can rework/reimagine Shi'Ar like you mentioned they did in Ultimate.

[ChaoticPsylocke]

im still sooooooooooo excited for Magik to be on this show! hopefully she'll get a new costume...a cool one.... she doesnt ever get those. lol

[CyclopsSummers]

Cooooooooooooool
Colossus will be back and Havok's enter!!
I want Astonishing costume for Havok
Also a relation between Gambit n Rogue!

[TheVileOne]

The Magik design we saw at Convention looked to be Illyana in her civvies. But hopefully she will have her costume.

[Mad Ones]

So no horns or soul sword? I wonder just what kind of role she'll be playing. Will it be more than just Colossus' little sister?

[Dread]

Well they re-worked Mojo or at least made Mojo so where Mojo's background is more of an enigma.

They can rework/reimagine Shi'Ar like you mentioned they did in Ultimate.

True. Although in the Ultimates, they were a cult that worshiped the Phoenix, and W&TXM shouldn't take that route because that would just make them the same as the Inner Circle, who essentially did the same thing in Season 1. I'm still not especially looking forward to the Shi'ar. Lilandra without Xavier doesn't seem as potent.

The Magik design we saw at Convention looked to be Illyana in her civvies. But hopefully she will have her costume.

Sounds fine. Again, I was never a fan of complicated demon/time travel origins, so I'm not missing horns or hooves. Her natural mutant powers involved her teleporting discs; maybe a "good" version of Blink (who is with the Genoshan Brotherhood in the show)? They could always re-imagine her Soul-sword as being just energy she manifests as part of her power, or they could even claim the "armor" she dons is similar to Colossus' full body armor, y'know, running in the family? Just brainstorming.

[Karelia]

Deadpool is going to be appearing in this? WOW. I'm so freakin' happy he is. I just wonder if he'll be able to act as he normally does. And I sure hope Nolan North does his voice, he was great in Hulk VS. DP was actually the best part of the movie, IMO.

I watched the new episode tonight, this show is getting awesome story-wise.

So anyone know what episode(s) Deadpool will be appearing in? :D

[TheVileOne]

I think they will push Deadpool's comedic and devil may care aspect and downplay his more sadistic and disturbed side. Like I doubt he'll make a comment about killing babies.

[x-men_pro]

something tells me that deadpool will only appear in an 1 episode,like the hulk and psylocke.
probably another episode dedicated to wolverines past...

and does anyone have any pics of these?
we are all discussing these pics but i havnt even seen them!

[Dread]

Nolan North voices both Cyclops and Deadpool (he played Deadpool in HULK VS. WOLVERINE), so it could be possible he is appearing in more than one episode. He is connected to Weapon X and Season 1 had two episodes dealing with that, and since this is a Wolverine show, I would expect another two episodes in Season 2. Which to be fair may not be too bad if they are handled well; prior X-Men cartoons only devoted one episode to Weapon X. The challenge would be to handle it in a way where it is important to more characters than Wolverine (or Mystique). Perhaps an arc like Ultimate X-Men's second where Weapon X attacks the X-Men could work, so long as everyone doesn't job to them like they did to Silver Samurai's ninja.

SAG rules usually limit the amount of credited voice actors to many TV animation episodes to about a baker's dozen or so, but also note that every actor may voice about three characters. Therefore, actors who can play several characters are usually key. Why do you think voice actors like, say, Jim Cummings, Jennifer Hale, and yes, Steve Blum get so many roles?

To be honest, I don't think making Deadpool workable for WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN is as difficult a task as some mention. It isn't as hard as getting Carnage on 90's era FoxKids, back when you couldn't even scare birds on rooftops or jump through windows. No, he can't make jokes about shooting babies, but I think he can still come off as a crazed, dangerous, and zany fighter. I'm rather confident they'll pull him off.

[TheVileOne]

Yes again, I think it will be more about playing up Deadpool's comedic, sarcastic, and humorous side. And like he will shoot and slash, but like with Wolverine not really cut or kill anyone.

[TheMick]

So, any pics of Havok or Magik?
Also, does anyone know what Jean's costume will be? the latest modern, non-phoenix-style costumes she has ahd are Ultimate X-Men and New X-Men. At first I thought she would be like Hiasko, wearing a spare uniform, but i've realy got my hopes up for New X-Men

[x-men_pro]

i would probably say they will go for the 90s jim lee style(90s animated) or the green and yellow phoenix costume.both fit in with the colour scheme aswell as they are her two main costumes asociated with jean.plus thats what id like her to be in.they might even create a new look.

for season 2 we will probably see her mostly in her age of apocalypse uniform.

[TheMick]

I don't think she'll wear her 90's. They are going for a modern look, ie. Cykes, Emma's and wolverine astonishing x-men, while modifying others costume (giving storm sleeves, changing kittys costume a bit, giving hank a coat type thing)
And Jeans lost the Phoenix, remember? She wouldn't wear the costume associated with it if she is glad it's gone.

I hope we see Rachel grey and Jean in the AOA future

[TheVileOne]

The picture of Magik we saw, she was in regular clothes not a uniform.

Havoc had his more modern outfit.

[bryanss3]

I wonder if they'll ever make Beast more catlike. I'd love to see that

[TheVileOne]

I actually really like the design for Beast in the show even though he's wearing Cassaday's costume. I was never fond of or liked the whole cat Beast thing.

I think it would be nice though if they started using SWORD as well as Agent Brand to have a romance going on with Beast. But like Yost says, usually in animation the saying is, "There's no time for love, Dr. Jones."

[Dread]

I'm happy with Beast the way he is. Of course, the idea of his mutation continuing to evolve could of course be episode fodder.

What Jean's X-costume will look like is a fair question. Steven E. Gordon did give her a unique design for X-MEN EVOLUTION. It is possible he may come up with his own outfit. Her Ultimate uniform is fine but a little plain, although I would imagine it isn't hard to animate. Her 90's uniform was a little complicated and full of 90's design conventions like shoulder-pads and the "non-mask" that everyone but Havok and Gambit have since ditched. It was fine for the 90's cartoon but this is 2009, and another era in costumes.

Her costume colors were usually gold, green, and/or red, so it could be possible that we will see something in that vein. I also wonder if Jean will continue to be the only X-Person besides Emma Frost to venture out without a code-name. Was "Marvel Girl" really that bad? Can't she upgrade to Marvel Woman?

To be honest, WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN's costume designs have usually involved more color than X-MEN EVOLUTION, where it seemed every costume started out as a blue/black training outfit and extended from there. Which was fine for that, but I don't mind the more traditional suits in W&TXM. Something as simple as Jean's Ultimate costume, only made green/gold instead of black/gold could work.

I'd also not care for SWORD. That involves aliens, and aliens are usually a distraction for what the X-Men are supposed to be about.

[TheVileOne]

Dread, if aliens are too odd for this series, you can still re-work the Agent Brand character as a mutant rather than a half-human/half-alien SWORD agent. But still works for SHIELD and is highly attracted to Beast.

[Dread]

Beast's had other girlfriends in the comics besides her. He once even dated Dazzler; maybe he could double date with Kurt and Wanda or something.

I'm not sure Brand would work retooled as a mutant. She barely works as a character. She's a stock "action heroine cipher" in AXM and her only unique hook is being half alien. Not even her design is original, she's just ripping off Viper/Madame Hydra (something Logan once quipped at her about). Besides, the major hook with Beast/Brand isn't that they're eternal lovers, but because they're enjoying kinky sex. That won't fly in a cartoon.

[Mad Ones]

For some reason I really like Jean not having a code-name. It makes her a little different (at least before Emma came on the scene), and I really don't think she needs one. I'd hate it if she used Marvel Woman; I find that extremely tacky. And I think she'll have an original costume in this 'toon.

I'm excited to see Havoc, since I haven't really been happy with him in any other cartoon. He was barely in the 90's animated series, and totally not Havoc in Evo.

[Dread]

Indeed. Havok's one of those characters who really hasn't been handled well in any X-Men cartoon. Even worse than Colossus. Same as Dazzler, I guess. Come to think of it, everyone from the "Aussie X-Men" era besides Wolverine, Rogue, and Storm usually haven't been handled well yet. Havok, Psylocke, Colossus, Dazzler...

[TheMick]

I soo wan't Psylocke to get her classic ninja-style costume. I mean, it only shows her thighs. Not that revealing. Emma's nearly shows her chest and stomache. I bet some parents had something to say about that. Emma's costume was designed for Astonishing X-Men which was T+, and is on a PG Cartoon. Next thing, she'll get her New X-Men costume. With shorts.

[TheVileOne]

Beast's had other girlfriends in the comics besides her. He once even dated Dazzler; maybe he could double date with Kurt and Wanda or something.

None of them said, "Wanna break you like a pony."

I'm not sure Brand would work retooled as a mutant. She barely works as a character. She's a stock "action heroine cipher" in AXM and her only unique hook is being half alien. Not even her design is original, she's just ripping off Viper/Madame Hydra (something Logan once quipped at her about). Besides, the major hook with Beast/Brand isn't that they're eternal lovers, but because they're enjoying kinky sex. That won't fly in a cartoon.

You need to be more open minded. They can rework and improve upon the character and make her better than being Joss Whedon's stereotyped warped female heroine thing.

[CyclopsSummers]

I soo wan't Psylocke to get her classic ninja-style costume. I mean, it only shows her thighs. Not that revealing. Emma's nearly shows her chest and stomache. I bet some parents had something to say about that. Emma's costume was designed for Astonishing X-Men which was T+, and is on a PG Cartoon. Next thing, she'll get her New X-Men costume. With shorts.

But they have fu*****cked Psylocke and Forge
I dont care about Forge i dont really like him but Psylocke is an awesome x-woman!! I wanted to see her in x-team fot this anime

We have a chance to see them recruiting Gambit, but may Psylocke return with a psy-blade, doing martial arts, .... not as a sucked character ..

[TheMick]

Oh, yeh. I realy wanted a blade Psylocke, or atleast her Telepathic Battle go on the Astral Plane, (XML style) and she could of seen a little bit of Shadow King before she gets knocked out

[Dread]

None of them said, "Wanna break you like a pony."



You need to be more open minded. They can rework and improve upon the character and make her better than being Joss Whedon's stereotyped warped female heroine thing.

They can't say a line like that in a PG cartoon, nor can they imply any romance that is even the least bit kinky.

My bottom line is I only look forward to seeing characters show up that I actually like. If they bring in Brand and write her well, whoopie-doo, but I won't be counting down the episodes for her.

But they have fu*****cked Psylocke and Forge
I dont care about Forge i dont really like him but Psylocke is an awesome x-woman!! I wanted to see her in x-team fot this anime

We have a chance to see them recruiting Gambit, but may Psylocke return with a psy-blade, doing martial arts, .... not as a sucked character ..

Oh, yeh. I realy wanted a blade Psylocke, or atleast her Telepathic Battle go on the Astral Plane, (XML style) and she could of seen a little bit of Shadow King before she gets knocked out

The show is crammed as is. That said, Psylocke was with the Brotherhood, or at least Quicksilver knew her in Season One, so she could come up again.

And just like that, my 16,000th post.

[TheVileOne]

They can't say a line like that in a PG cartoon, nor can they imply any romance that is even the least bit kinky.

Yes you can, its just more SUGGESTIVE. Remember the beat with Emma Frost, Kitty, and Iceman? Pretty obvious.

[JerseyJoker]

DEEEEEEADPOOOL!!!!

Awesome to see him back. Weird to think he has been around for so long but this will be his truly first speaking part in an animated show. I hope they treat him sorta like Gambit, he doesn't need to be a member of the team, just maybe have a key episode or two, or just one episode where him and Wolvie kill each other for a half hour. Whatever works.

Although im really excited for Havok, cause with Jean back and the whatever is going to happen to Emma (hopefully they try to piece her back together like they did in the comics), setting that conflicting attitudes with Alex and Scott will be good for the character.

[Dread]

Yes you can, its just more SUGGESTIVE. Remember the beat with Emma Frost, Kitty, and Iceman? Pretty obvious.

No, I don't actually.

DEEEEEEADPOOOL!!!!

Awesome to see him back. Weird to think he has been around for so long but this will be his truly first speaking part in an animated show. I hope they treat him sorta like Gambit, he doesn't need to be a member of the team, just maybe have a key episode or two, or just one episode where him and Wolvie kill each other for a half hour. Whatever works.

Although im really excited for Havok, cause with Jean back and the whatever is going to happen to Emma (hopefully they try to piece her back together like they did in the comics), setting that conflicting attitudes with Alex and Scott will be good for the character.

We'll see what happens. I could imagine Deadpool aligned with Weapon X, since that was what was done with HULK VS. WOLVERINE, but either way should work.

[JerseyJoker]

Who says you can't be suggestive in a PG cartoon? Have you watched Spec. Spider-Man, anything involving MJ or Black Cat has been overly suggestive and sexual.

[TheVileOne]

JLU, JL, STAS, Batman Beyond, and BTAS as well all had their suggestive moments.

[Dread]

To be blunt, Marvel cartoons of the 21st century, with the notable exception of Greg Wiesman's SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN (and MTV Spidey), are far more willing to try to push envelopes on violence than they ever are in terms of suggestive dialogue. Even on the DTV's. Bruce Timm's DC cartoons are different, and don't subscribe to that. The theory is that younger viewers care more about fighting and explosions than romance stuff. Which I don't think is accurate; the same 6-12 year olds watch far more suggestive stuff in TWILIGHT films or stuff on THE CW NETWORK.

There was romance in EVOLUTION, but very little suggestive dialogue. Again, Marvel's biggest dilemma in animation has been not having their version of Bruce Timm at the helm. Kyle, Johnson, Yost, et al try their best, but they're no Timm, collectively or individually. At least not yet. Wiesman is, but even money is on SS-M not getting a third season. Spidey cartoons have struggled since the end of the first 90's one to last beyond 1-2 seasons.

Mark my words; you will have a better chance of having Deadpool at least allude to killing people off camera than you will ever have of someone being in a kinky relationship. And to be fair that isn't entirely the fault of Johnson, Kyle, and company. American society is such that exposing children to violence seems to be far more acceptable than nudity or "suggestive" stuff. A PG-13 film can have some horrifically brutal action in it. But one bare nipple, and it is rated R. Networks think that way too, and the W&TXM crew are used to working for networks and what will fly with them.

[JerseyJoker]

In SSM, Black Cat basically make an joke regarding Spidey busting in her hair. If thats not kinky, i dont know what is.

[atgscl]

In SSM, Black Cat basically make an joke regarding Spidey busting in her hair. If thats not kinky, i dont know what is.

lol really?! Anyone remember exactly what she said?

[Dread]

In SSM, Black Cat basically make an joke regarding Spidey busting in her hair. If thats not kinky, i dont know what is.

I stated in my post that SS-M is an exception. Greg Wiesman is quite a different executive writing force than others.

[JerseyJoker]

Im surprised by what Greg has gotten away with, especially with it being on Disney.

[JerseyJoker]

lol really?! Anyone remember exactly what she said?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYTXcgzKKhk

about 1:16

[x-men_pro]

i think Jean would not look have bad like this:
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs49/i/2009/226/2/f/Jean_Grey_Cover_Colored_by_windriderx23.jpg
its an original twist,and quite like emma's (the lines going down,bust)

i think it would even look good if they got rid of the skirt and put on skin-tight leggings.

[TheVileOne]

"You better not get your goop in my hair, Spidey."

[Panthro]

i think Jean would not look have bad like this:
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs49/i/2009/226/2/f/Jean_Grey_Cover_Colored_by_windriderx23.jpg
its an original twist,and quite like emma's (the lines going down,bust)

i think it would even look good if they got rid of the skirt and put on skin-tight leggings.
I like that.

[Dread]

i think Jean would not look have bad like this:
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs49/i/2009/226/2/f/Jean_Grey_Cover_Colored_by_windriderx23.jpg
its an original twist,and quite like emma's (the lines going down,bust)

i think it would even look good if they got rid of the skirt and put on skin-tight leggings.

That costume is essentially her "graduation" costume from about 1970 or so from the comics. There are a few modern tweaks but that is essentially it. It doesn't look bad there.

I'm bracing for a green and gold version of the Ultimate suit as more likely, to be honest.

[CyclopsSummers]

I think in this 2nd season she will wear phoenix costume. Or customized costume made by producers.

[Panthro]

That costume is essentially her "graduation" costume from about 1970 or so from the comics. There are a few modern tweaks but that is essentially it. It doesn't look bad there.

I'm bracing for a green and gold version of the Ultimate suit as more likely, to be honest.
That would work too.

[BobJM]

I would like to see something inspired by Jean's "Revolution" costume:

http://www.jean-grey.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/10.jpg

[BobJM]

i think Jean would not look have bad like this:
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs49/i/2009/226/2/f/Jean_Grey_Cover_Colored_by_windriderx23.jpg
its an original twist,and quite like emma's (the lines going down,bust)

i think it would even look good if they got rid of the skirt and put on skin-tight leggings.

http://www.marvelnoise.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/X-Men_Forever_04_SecondPrintingVariant.jpg

^^ Like this? I wouldn't mind that either.

[Dread]

http://www.marvelnoise.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/X-Men_Forever_04_SecondPrintingVariant.jpg

^^ Like this? I wouldn't mind that either.

Seems a bit plain to me.

[warmachine300]

But that would make no sense. The phoenix is done and dusted. They did that in season one so why would she still be a wearing a phoenix costume? They need to put her in her nineties strip

[Degobunny]

I wonder if Emma will return!?!

[TheVileOne]

Degobunny, we can only speculate at this point. However, I'd say the chances are good.

The reason being because Emma's current "affliction" at the end of the first season is similar to a fate that befell her in the comics. During Morrison's run on New X-men, Emma was shot in her diamond form and shattered into pieces. However, all her pieces were gathered and she was put back together essentially undoing her apparent "death" that lasted all of like 2 issues.

[Dread]

That, and Craig Kyle via some interviews and comments he has made about WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN and even on his commentary for HULK VS. THOR seemed to feel as if he as a writer seemed to prefer the "bad girl" type heroines, the ones who aren't all pure and sweet but have a dark side (such as liking Enchantress, also voiced by Kari Wahlgren, over Sif, played by Grey DeLise). Therefore, I see it as extremely unlikely that so long as Season 2 has Kyle involved in the day to day writing/producing would go a whole 26 episodes without Frost. Especially, as was mentioned above, such a "death" failed to kill Frost in the comics.

[Max Shrek]

I stated in my post that SS-M is an exception. Greg Wiesman is quite a different executive writing force than others.

There's also:

MYSTERIO: I wouldn't be too soon to gloat, Spider-Man...
SPIDEY: Well, you are the expert on pre-mature gloatalation...

:woot::woot::woot:

[TheVileOne]

Actually Dread, I think Craig Kyle might be moving away from the animated shows. Or he might still be doing the animated movies and X-men, but like from our conversations in San Diego it sounded like Kyle would be moving over to Marvel's feature division.

He's currently listed as a producer on Thor (on IMDB so take it with a grain of salt), so I imagine that will be ramping up production soon. It's also my understanding that he's not involved with the new Avengers series (which hopefully the acquisition doesn't affect either). I think EMH is essentially going to be Yost's show.