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SpandexFan
07-29-2009, 03:57 PM
INSPIRED BY THIS THREAD WHICH ONLY DEALT WITH COMIC BOOK FILM FRANCHISES: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=327584

#10 George Lazenby, Roger Moore and Timothy Dalton as James Bond

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James Bond is known as a franchise that has enjoyed great success with casting changes to its lead role. Even though Roger Moore was well-received by audiences, enough so that he contributed several films to the James Bond franchise, there were still people who never enjoyed his "lighter" version of the character made famous by Sean Connery. But perhaps the two most awkward casting changes in Bond history belong to George Lazenby and Timothy Dalton, both of whom had the shortest stints in the lead role.

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Lazenby is probably the only Bond to more closely resemble Connery's looks and large physical presence (Lazenby was also a skilled martial artist), but at the time, audiences and critics were torn on his acting skills as the new Bond. His only Bond film, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, was one of the biggest hits of the year and ensured future Bond films with Lazenby but in a recurring theme on this list, Lazenby decided to turn down the next film, and continue with his own Bond-less acting career which never quite materialized. Maybe his biggest contribution though was allowing audiences the chance to accept that other actors would eventually wear the tuxedo and drive the Aston Martin.

Timothy Dalton started his short two film career as James Bond in 1987 with The Living Daylights. With Dalton, the James Bond Franchise attempted to create a more gritty, darker James Bond, and turn away from the lighter portrayal by Roger Moore which had run its course. Audiences never accepted this and Dalton's films are near the bottom of the list in total box office gross for a Bond film. While originally planned, a third Bond film with Dalton never reached production, and the studio instead went with Pierce Brosnan who helped recapture box office success. To Dalton and the production team's credit though, they did have it right, just not the right tools, because Roger Craig would eventually complete the vision of a more brutal modern-day spy as James Bond and give the franchise new life.

#9 The Oracle and Tank

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So maybe I picked this one because I'm still miffed at how awful those Matrix sequels were, and it's not the fault of Warner Brothers that the original Oracle actress, Gloria Foster, passed away before completion of the Matrix sequels. It might be the fault of the movie studio however that they couldn't reach an agreement with Marcus Chong to reprise the role of Tank -- the famous pilot on Morpheus' ship -- who allegedly was asking for too much money. The fact is that any mega-budget sci-fi franchise deals with this dilemma, but small roles do matter in sci-fi franchises. Star Trek never replaced Walter Keonig as Chekov and Star Wars never replaced Billy Dee Williams as Lando Calrissian. More consistency with casting wouldn't have saved The Matrix Reloaded and Matrix Revolutions, but it certainly would have helped what appeared to most audiences as a disjointed storyline that didn't have much correlation with the exciting experience in the first Matrix film.

#8 Ben Affleck and Harrison Ford as Jack Ryan

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So maybe it was the outdated theme of the Cold War that helped prematurely end Tom Clancy's franchise, but the Jack Ryan storyline was the only espionage franchise that ever had a chance to compete against James Bond, and at one time the future looked promising. When The Hunt for Red October was released, it was a box office smash and Alec Baldwin quickly established himself as one of the upcoming leading men in Hollywood. Don't blame the studios for this one though, because even though Baldwin was quickly earning a tag as one of the most "high maintenance" erratic actors in Hollywood, the studio still offered him a two-picture deal to reprise his role of Jack Ryan in Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger. Baldwin, in one of the more questionable decisions in acting history, snubbed the studios and instead opted for a Broadway role in A Streetcar Named Desire. To further excuse the studio, they instead offered the role to Hollywood's biggest action star at the time, Harrison Ford, who coincidentally had turned down the original role of Jack Ryan in The Hunt for Red October because he wanted to lose his tag as an action hero. Years later, when beginning production on The Sum of All Fears, the Jack Ryan Franchise was again snubbed by its leading actor, this time Harrison Ford, who was quoted in a Playboy interview:

"No. I hated the script. Paramount said commit to the development of this and we'll write another script for you. I had never made that kind of long-term commitment, and I said, Bye-bye. I just thought the story was dated and unworkable. The central event of the movie is the killing of thousands of people at the Super Bowl. How do you f*ing recover from that? Emotionally, how do you care about one character when thousands have been killed? I'm sure that they changed it and made a good movie, but I just didn't want to go through that."

The 4th installment in the franchise was placed in an even more awkward position when it instead opted for a younger reboot of Jack Ryan with Ben Affleck, and also decided to take out the original story of Islamic terrorists bombing the Super Bowl because it considered this highly unlikely and replaced them with Neo-Nazis. Of course, in one of the all-time "egg on your face" moments, 9/11 occured during production. All of these movies enjoyed financial success but its one of the great "could have been" franchises in big budget film history.

#7 Edward Furlong, Nick Stahl and Christian Bale as John Connor

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Ask movie audiences who the hero is of The Terminator franchise and 99% will probably tell you Arnold Schwarzenegger. The other 1% might say its the role played by Linda Hamilton. But when the decision was made to transform Terminator into a franchise, a new character entered the equation - John Connor. This is the man who would lead the resistance against the machines and become the crux of all future storylines. Somehow, it never quite materialized the way audiences imagined. In a role that worked, but left audiences with the same dirty feeling they had after watching a young snot-nosed Darth Vader in The Phantom Menace, Edward Furlong played the annoying but smart young punk version of John Connor.

When making Terminator 3 several years later, the production crew didn't feel Furlong had the right stuff to play an older John Connor. At the time, Furlong was doing his best to imitate other former Hollywood child stars in party habits. But it didn't help that they picked an actor Nick Stahl to play John Connor, who gave audiences an impression of a skinny androgynous kid rather than a young man who knows he will one day lead humanity against the machines. When Hollywood finally did pick a lead who audiences could accept as THE John Connor in Christian Bale, it failed to impress most critics who thought his talents didn't match the legend, summed up in this L.A .Times critic piece:

"Bale's strengths do not serve him, or the movie, as well here and when the story starts to crumble around Bale, Worthington is there to pick up the pieces."

Whether by poor casting or poor writing, John Connor never quite lived up to the standards envisioned in this franchise.

#6 Michael Gambon as Dumbledore

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So now we start to get to the top of the list. Casting decisions that still make for intense nerd wars on message boards all over the internet. There is perhaps no character above the age of 18 in the Harry Potter books who is more loved that Dumbledore. His death in the book and movie was a sad event for all J.K. Rowling fans, and angered quite a few. When the original Harry Potter movies were cast, the role of Dumbledore was given to none other than the legendary actor Richard Harris, who did such a remarkable job as the grand wizard, that he threatened to mimic Sir Alec Guinness's distinction as a classic English actor throughout the decades who would instead forever be remembered for his end-of-career performance in a blockbuster movie franchise. Harris even expressed as much saying:

"Because, you see, I don't just want to be remembered for being in those bloody films, and I'm afraid that's what going to happen to me."

After two films, the highly skilled actor passed away, and Sir Michael Gambon, an equally praised acting talent, was given the part. While some fans thought Gambon's version was remarkable, an equal amount thought he lacked the warmth and paternal instincts that Dumbledore was famous for in the books. Gambon chose a more quirky and distant wizard persona for his Dumbledore. Gambon also seemed to lack some of the natural presence that Harris possessed at an elderly age, as demonstrated by Harris' role as the Emperor of Rome in the film Gladiator.

Check out this Youtube fan film that attempts to show what Goblet of Fire would have been like with Richard Harris as Dumbledore:

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#5 George Hamilton as the Corleone Family Attorney

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The Godfather Franchise has proven that you don't need CGI or comedy to make sequels, and while Francis Ford Coppola didn't produce a dud for his third outing, its merits are as controversial as his best friend George Lucas' sequel attempts. Many just don't feel the third film lived up to the reputation of the first two, and one of the biggest reasons, and even admitted by Coppola, is the vacuum created by the absence of Robert Duvall as the family's legal advisor. According to the director's commentary on the DVD, Duvall wanted a salary on par with Al Pacino and the studio felt he was asking too much, but Duvall later confessed he felt the divide between his and Pacino's salary was too insulting. So while the role of Tom Hagen had originally been written into the third film, it was ripped out, and the role of legal advisor was given to tanning products poster boy George Hamilton. At least they didn't try to pass him off as Tom Hagen, nor as anything close to the mafia position of consigliere. He was just a bland corporate attorney who spent more time in the background than talking, and an attempt to save some of the storylines that needed someone as the family attorney.

#4 Tommy Morrison as Rocky's Opponent

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How hard is it to make a good Rocky film? After the first film, the object was no longer to earn Academy Award nominations, but to give Rocky a compelling opponent who made for some good fights and audience hoorahs. Rocky sequels read like a classic list of bad actors with charisma that audiences love to root against. Dolph Lundren as Ivan Drago, Mr. T as Clubber Lang, and so on... So who better for the fifth Rocky film than a current boxer, Tommy Morrison? Yeah, maybe not. This film was so bad that even Sylvester Stallone admits he chooses to ignore it and its the main reason why he came back to make the sixth and final film, Rocky Balboa. Admittedly, the change in formula to return Rocky back to his roots as a loser in Philly made many viewers hate it, but Tommy Morrison just didn't have that same "bad guy" feel to him that previous opponents exhibited. As a matter of fact, the actor playing a quasi-Don King was someone we loved to hate even more.

#3 George Clooney as Batman

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When Val Kilmer took over the reigns of The Dark Knight in Batman Forever and didn't negate much of the Batman success, it looked to Hollywood like any actor could successfully put on the cowl and pull off the role of one of comic book history's leading superheroes. It especially looked that way to director Joel Schumacher who allegedly didn't like working with Kilmer and basically fired him from the role. Schumacher also thought that a less serious version of Batman was needed. Oops. Schumacher as director, Schwarzenegger as Freeze, Silverstone as Batgirl, the new colorful art direction, and a host of other bad decisions are to blame as much as Clooney, but the bottomline is this film effectively became the "Superman IV" of the once strong Batman franchise.

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#2 Kate Bosworth & Brandon Routh as Lois & Clark

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When the decision was made to reboot Superman, there were a lot of promising decisions made. An experienced comic director was brought in. John Williams' classic theme was back. The movie was given one of the biggest budgets in film history. What could go wrong? Maybe the new cast? As described by a reviewer at Rotten Tomatoes:

A little secret about Superman: Any guy, provided that he looks like a black-haired Adonis, can play the superhero. So the real deal here is to find someone who can play Clark Kent. One of the fun things about Reeve is the way he made Clark goofy, not as though he were really goofy but rather as though Superman were quietly enjoying the spectacle of others underestimating him. Lois (Margot Kidder) felt sorry for him, and that seemed to amuse him, too. He was like Zorro, a man so sure of his own essence that he didn't mind people thinking less of him.

But as played by Brandon Routh in "Superman Returns," Clark Kent is goofy because he really is a dork. He's a shy guy. He's not shy in his Superman incarnation, but that's only because Superman is his comfort zone. As Clark, he falls apart every time he's around Lois. This isn't funny, and it becomes downright uncomfortable when Lois treats him with thinly veiled contempt. At one point, Clark refers to their "relationship," and she throws the word back in his face, as though he were a complete idiot.

"Superman Returns" was directed by Bryan Singer ("X-Men"), who is attuned to the action potential of the story, but his movie has no warmth, and Bosworth is a big part of the problem. It's a heck of a thing to say that the intricacies of playing Lois Lane are outside an actress' sphere, but whatever those intricacies are, they elude Bosworth, possibly because she's simply too young for the role. She was 22 at the time of filming, and her idea of playing a 30-year-old professional woman was to act confrontational and aggrieved and never smile. This is a younger person's naive conception of strength, the notion that the path to success is to behave as if the whole world were trying to pick you up in a bar and you're not having it.

There you have it in a nutshell. There might have been more of a dynamic between Lois & Clark on the TV series of the same name with B-list actors Dean Cain and Terri Hatcher, but one thing is for sure...we never saw this again:

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#1 Hayden Christensen and Jake Lloyd as Darth Vader

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Comedian Patton Oswalt probably best sums up the audience reaction to a young Jake Lloyd as Anakin Skywalker:

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But if that wasn't enough, George Lucas had to take it one step further and cast the sniveling crying Hayden Christensen as the next young addition of one of the most iconic villains in movie history. Yes, our memories of Darth Vader will now forever be scarred because everytime we watch that famous scene with James Earl Jones voicing "I find your lack of faith disturbing" we'll always simultaneously think of Hayden Christensen whining to Natalie Portman's character about how things "just aren't fair." Waaaaa. Nuff said.

Octoberist
07-29-2009, 04:03 PM
Robert Duvall's Tom Hagan was my Godfather character, and that's why I dislike Godfather Part 3.

Wesley Dodds
07-29-2009, 04:12 PM
Sean Connery is awkward and miscast in almost any role he played. I think he's quite possibly the most over-rated actor in history.
I mean, it doesn't matter if he's playing a Spanish immortal or a German Submarine commander he's still... Well, Sean Connery.

Octoberist
07-29-2009, 04:19 PM
omg. are you serious about Sean "The Man" Connery. Wow.

Figs
07-29-2009, 04:21 PM
Sean Connery is awkward and miscast in almost any role he played. I think he's quite possibly the most over-rated actor in history.
I mean, it doesn't matter if he's playing a Spanish immortal or a German Submarine commander he's still... Well, Sean Connery.

While I do agree with you to an extent he still rocked it as Professor Henry Jones.

Wesley Dodds
07-29-2009, 04:23 PM
Octoberist

See, i knew someone'd respond like that. And THAT'S how Connery has gotten his rep. By coasting on this wave of perceived "cool" in such a way that if anyone questions him, they're instantly thrown out of the credibility club... It's like some sort of movie buff peer pressure... Eucch!
The guy can't act! There i said it!

Octoberist
07-29-2009, 04:25 PM
you said he was the 'overrated actor in history'. So what do you expect when you make a comment like that? I don't care if you like him or not.

Wesley Dodds
07-29-2009, 04:27 PM
Um... 'Kay.

MiniBond
07-29-2009, 04:28 PM
Concerning the bonds YES to Moore miscast in the role ....I mean he's funny and charming but I always saw in him Lord Brett Sinclair playing james bond and not james bond himself :o! A light yes to Lazenby, he'd have been better with more acting skills but a big NO to Timothy dalton as a casting error:whatever:.....physically he's probably the actor who best fits with Ian Fleming's description, it's just that he wasn't as charming as the other ones !

BloodyWolverine
07-29-2009, 04:31 PM
My opinion Connery is and forever will be bond. Brosnan pretends too be bond and Craig isn't really Bond but just is called 007.

Octoberist
07-29-2009, 04:32 PM
Wesley,

If you're gonna make a bold statement, of course it'll may or may not come with strong reactions.

It's me saying that Batman sucks because he has no superpowers, or Iron Man is a ripoff of batman or whatever. I don't know where I'm going with this. haha :)

BloodyWolverine
07-29-2009, 04:37 PM
Sean Connery is awkward and miscast in almost any role he played. I think he's quite possibly the most over-rated actor in history.
I mean, it doesn't matter if he's playing a Spanish immortal or a German Submarine commander he's still... Well, Sean Connery.
Sean Connery doesn't need too change his voice too be the man he just is. You can like or hate whom ever but there is only one Connery and one Bond and One tough Scottish Actor and its him. Miscasting of Bond happened after Connery if ask me.

Heisenberg
07-29-2009, 04:56 PM
Jodie Foster not returning for Hannibal hurt it, but it was a bad film anyway.

ChickenScratch
07-29-2009, 04:59 PM
I think you are totally wrong about Timothy Dalton on the Bond thing. Not only is he the actor that looks the most like literary Bond, but he actually plays the character like he's written.

Symbiotic
07-29-2009, 06:14 PM
Maria Bello taking over for Rachel Weisz in The Mummy: Tomb Of The Dragon Emperor. If they had to re-cast, so be it, but they could've done better.

TMC1982
07-29-2009, 06:43 PM
Elisabeth Shue replacing Claudia Wells as Jennifer Parker and (to a lesser extent) Jeffrey Weisman replacing Crispin Glover as George McFly in the Back to the Future sequels. Don't get me wrong, Elisabeth Shue is a really good actress (he has been nominated for an Oscar after all), but the casting change really threw the continuity out of wack. The second one after all, does literally take place after the first one ends (i.e. Marty, Doc and Jennifer time traveling to the year 2015).

Carnotaur3
07-29-2009, 07:27 PM
Elisabeth Shue replacing Claudia Wells as Jennifer Parker and (to a lesser extent) Jeffrey Weisman replacing Crispin Glover as George McFly in the Back to the Future sequels. Don't get me wrong, Elisabeth Shue is a really good actress (he has been nominated for an Oscar after all), but the casting change really threw the continuity out of wack. The second one after all, does literally take place after the first one ends (i.e. Marty, Doc and Jennifer time traveling to the year 2015).

Elizabeth Shue was much better fit for the Back to the Future series than Claudia Wells, who was fine for her small role in the first film, but was required to have more a comical personality in the second and third. Shue brought that lovely face of hers and the comedic heft to fill her character's existence.

Also, I thought Furlong, Stahl, and Bale all brought something unique to the Connor role.

Kahran Ramsus
07-29-2009, 08:57 PM
Roger Moore, Harrison Ford, Edward Furlong & Michael Gambon were great. I don't agree with those choices at all. Plus Furlong was the first John Connor so he shouldn't count.

ManSpider412
07-29-2009, 09:15 PM
Before Ledger died and even before he was cast as Joker, I really could of seen him being a great Anakin Skwalker. He had such a greater prescence than Hayden even if he was a little shorter.

I SEE SPIDEY
07-29-2009, 09:44 PM
Maria Bello taking over for Rachel Weisz in The Mummy: Tomb Of The Dragon Emperor. If they had to re-cast, so be it, but they could've done better.Agreed. Bello was so wrong for so many reasons.

The Sarge
07-29-2009, 10:13 PM
I thought that was pretty well put together- The Patton Oswald thing is hilarious.
And true.

Drizzle
07-29-2009, 11:03 PM
Before Ledger died and even before he was cast as Joker, I really could of seen him being a great Anakin Skwalker. He had such a greater prescence than Hayden even if he was a little shorter.
That would have automatically made "Attack of the Clones" and "Revenge of the Sith" ten times better.

Jolly Rolly
07-30-2009, 12:23 AM
I know this isn't a big deal but what about Christopher Lambert being replaced with James Remar in the Mortal Kombat movies.

Watson
07-30-2009, 12:31 AM
George Hamilton was in Godfather 3?! Yikes, I'm glad I've passed on seeing that for so long.

Motown Marvel
07-30-2009, 12:38 AM
sean connery is a pretty good actor, but i never understood why he was always considered to godly. he plays most roles the same, its just sean connery. he's like an old tom cruise.

Watson
07-30-2009, 12:48 AM
^have you ever seen the wind and the lion? Connery plays a Arabian desert king. He basically plays himself but makes a godawful attempt at a Middle Eastern accent. :lmao:

Wolfwood
07-30-2009, 01:05 AM
As much as I enjoyed Terminator 3, I could never buy Nick Stahl as John Connor.

KenK
07-30-2009, 07:43 AM
Maria Bello taking over for Rachel Weisz in The Mummy: Tomb Of The Dragon Emperor. If they had to re-cast, so be it, but they could've done better.

I'd have gone with Francess O'Conner. British AND had already worked with Fraser in Bedazzled.

roach
07-30-2009, 07:59 AM
the real reason Batman forever and Batman and Robin were so light was because family groups were protesting Batman Returns and WB made him make the films lighter...Joel wanted to do DKR

SpandexFan
07-30-2009, 08:35 AM
Concerning the bonds YES to Moore miscast in the role ....I mean he's funny and charming but I always saw in him Lord Brett Sinclair playing james bond and not james bond himself :o! A light yes to Lazenby, he'd have been better with more acting skills but a big NO to Timothy dalton as a casting error:whatever:.....physically he's probably the actor who best fits with Ian Fleming's description, it's just that he wasn't as charming as the other ones !

I guess it's unfair to criticize Gambon for not being more like the novel version of Harry Potter and not hold the James Bond actors to the same standard, but I haven't read the original Bond novels, and I'm also aiming more at audience reaction than novel-to-film interpretation. Regardless of how much Timothy Dalton might be like the book version, most movie audiences really didn't accept him and the studios were all too quick to throw him out of the franchise when Pierce Brosnan became available.

SpandexFan
07-30-2009, 08:38 AM
Jodie Foster not returning for Hannibal hurt it, but it was a bad film anyway.

Honestly, Jodie Foster probably should have replaced The Matrix on the list. I think my own prejudice caused me to poke at those awful sequels which were killed by the new direction of the franchise more than anything. The dynamic between Anthony Hopkins and Jodie Foster was what made Silence of the Lambs great and it was lost in the second movie, although it wasn't that great of a story. I knew when I read the book it was going to be a bad movie.

SpandexFan
07-30-2009, 08:39 AM
Maria Bello taking over for Rachel Weisz in The Mummy: Tomb Of The Dragon Emperor. If they had to re-cast, so be it, but they could've done better.

That was definitely another "feel wierd" choice, but I'm not much of a fan of The Mummy, so probably didn't look at it as much as I should have. I also happen to think Rachel Weisz is cute as hell which is why I think I noticed her absence more than anything.

SpandexFan
07-30-2009, 08:42 AM
As much as I enjoyed Terminator 3, I could never buy Nick Stahl as John Connor.

Yeah, I think it's a credit to the writers and director that even with an awkward looking John Connor and a barely pumped up Schwarzenegger, it was still a fun movie to watch.

choskins
07-30-2009, 09:03 AM
I like the idea of your list but some of your examples aren't "casting changes" IMO. A casting change to me is when a new actor plays the same character in another film. Tommy Morrison as a Rocky opponent is not a casting change. It may have been a bad casting choice though.

Two that come to mind for me are: (1) Julianne Moore playing Clarise in Hannibal, instead of Jodie Foster; and (2) the constant recasting of the Griswald kids in every Vacation movie.

That-Guy
07-30-2009, 10:33 AM
LOL... yeah, the National Lampoon's Vacation movies are so awkward in that regard... the parents get older, but the kids stay the same age. WTF?

Schlosser85
07-30-2009, 11:51 AM
Superman Returns" was directed by Bryan Singer ("X-Men"), who is attuned to the action potential of the story, but his movie has no warmth, and Bosworth is a big part of the problem. It's a heck of a thing to say that the intricacies of playing Lois Lane are outside an actress' sphere, but whatever those intricacies are, they elude Bosworth, possibly because she's simply too young for the role. She was 22 at the time of filming, and her idea of playing a 30-year-old professional woman was to act confrontational and aggrieved and never smile (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=327634#). This is a younger person's naive conception of strength, the notion that the path to success is to behave as if the whole world were trying to pick you up in a bar and you're not having it.



Am I the only one who thinks this exact quote could be used to describe Katie Holmes in Batman Begins?

Ace of Knaves
07-30-2009, 11:55 AM
It could actually. But it's also pretty perfect for Bosworth too.

Schlosser85
07-30-2009, 12:02 PM
I initially disliked Michael Gambon as Dumbledore, but I thought he got right in Half-Blood Prince.

Agree that they totally could have gotten someone better for Anakin than Hayden Christensen though...although the idea of an actually talented actor like Heath Ledger having to say some of those lines is a little sad...

That-Guy
07-30-2009, 12:15 PM
Yeah, as bad as Hayden was, I don't think anyone could have made those lines work. "And you've grown... more beautiful."

(VOMITS)

Dr. Evil
07-30-2009, 12:23 PM
Elisabeth Shue replacing Claudia Wells as Jennifer Parker and (to a lesser extent) Jeffrey Weisman replacing Crispin Glover as George McFly in the Back to the Future sequels. Don't get me wrong, Elisabeth Shue is a really good actress (he has been nominated for an Oscar after all), but the casting change really threw the continuity out of wack. The second one after all, does literally take place after the first one ends (i.e. Marty, Doc and Jennifer time traveling to the year 2015).

Wait....I thought Crispin played George McFly in all three movies?

Shue did a better job playing Jennifer then Wells. Shue was (and still is) hotter then Wells, although I don't know what Wells looks like today.

So Crispin did not play George in all three movies? I didn't even notice it.

That-Guy
07-30-2009, 12:26 PM
No Crispin had a drug problem and (I believe) was not asked back for the sequels. Hence the reason you hardly see George in parts 2 and 3.

I agree about Shue... the character of Jennifer was hardly in the first movie anyway, and Shue was WAY hotter and had more charisma that she did.

Wesley Dodds
07-30-2009, 12:31 PM
No Crispin had a drug problem and (I believe) was not asked back for the sequels. Hence the reason you hardly see George in parts 2 and 3.

I agree about Shue... the character of Jennifer was hardly in the first movie anyway, and Shue was WAY hotter and had more charisma that she did.


Agreed. Thats one Shue i wouldn't mind trying on for size... And when i say "trying on for size", i mean, of course "having sex with"...




:hehe:

That-Guy
07-30-2009, 12:41 PM
Lmao

KenK
07-30-2009, 01:13 PM
Agreed. Thats one Shue i wouldn't mind trying on for size... And when i say "trying on for size", i mean, of course "having sex with"...




:hehe:

HA! She was so good in Hamlet 2!!!

choskins
07-30-2009, 02:45 PM
No Crispin had a drug problem and (I believe) was not asked back for the sequels. Hence the reason you hardly see George in parts 2 and 3.

It had nothing to do with drugs. He demanded the same salary as Michael J. Fox and was thus replaced.

Replacement of Crispin Glover

As Bob Gale states in the DVD commentary, actor Crispin Glover was asked to reprise the role of George McFly in this film. Glover indicated interest, but demanded a salary the producers felt was unreasonable. Glover reportedly refused to budge, so he was dropped from the picture. Glover later insisted in a 1992 interview on The Howard Stern Show that he and Zemeckis had some "creative disagreements" over the character, and felt that the director simply wanted an actor who was more pliable. He also said that the salary offered was "really low" (reportedly around $50,000), and that he was certain they never really wanted him back.[citation needed]

In the BTTF FAQ, Gale and Zemeckis state that Glover was uninterested in doing the sequels and was asking for the same salary as Michael J. Fox, and therefore was written out of the story.[1]

As a result, the filmmakers found inventive ways of avoiding showing the character's face in the movie, despite the fact that George McFly was in certain key scenes and dialogue. During all scenes in which the George McFly character appears in both this film and Back to the Future Part III, he is played by Jeffrey Weissman and seen wearing sunglasses, from the back, upside-down, or out of focus in the background. This was to preserve the George McFly character's continuity, despite being played by a different actor. However, producers also recycled footage from the original Back to the Future that included Crispin Glover's portrayal of George McFly. Glover sued Universal for compensation, on grounds that his contract for the first film did not allow subsequent uses of his portrayal of George McFly in new films. The day before the lawsuit went before a judge, Universal quietly settled the case, paying the actor an undisclosed sum. Glover would not reveal the amount during his Howard Stern Show appearance, but did suggest the real reason for the settlement was that Universal was reluctant to "open up their accounting books to the public" during the trial. The Screen Actors Guild later rewrote their rules regarding the derivative use of actors' works in films or TV series, setting terms under which to require the studios and networks to give payment and credit to the actors.

That-Guy
07-30-2009, 02:55 PM
Oh, okay. Guess I was wrong. I had always heard it was a a drug problem, but I guess that was just a rumor that sprung up due to the Letterman incident.

Jolly Rolly
07-31-2009, 12:00 AM
LOL... yeah, the National Lampoon's Vacation movies are so awkward in that regard... the parents get older, but the kids stay the same age. WTF?
Even Clark Griswold in Vegas Vacation makes a joke about saying that he hardly recognizes the kids anymore, surprisingly a few of them became succesful in their careers.

Anthony Michael Hall (Weird Science, Dead Zone, TDK)
Dana Barron (a few 90210 episodes in the 90's)

Jason Lively (Night Of The Creeps)
Dana Hill (voices in Rugrats, Goof Troop) she died in 1996 of diabetes

Johnny Galecki (Roseanne, The Big Bang Theory)
Juliette Lewis (Cape Fear, Natural Born Killers)

Ethan Embry (Can't Hardly Wait)
Marisol Nichols ("24")

KnightBat
07-31-2009, 12:03 AM
How about Kristie Alley replaced with Robin Curtis as Lt. Saavik for Star Trek III/IV? I always thought that one was bad. They were like night and day. Curtis was basically a new character, her performance as Saavik was nothing like Alley's. Although this maybe due to writing as in TWOK, Saavik was written as being half-Vulcan, half-Romulan, which is why Saavik shows emotion and cries at Spock's funeral, but all references to this were deleted in the film.


Where in TSFS, Saavik is portrayed as being full Vulcan.

Dr. Evil
07-31-2009, 12:04 AM
Even Clark Griswold in Vegas Vacation makes a joke about saying that he hardly recognizes the kids anymore, surprisingly a few of them became succesful in their careers.

Anthony Michael Hall (Weird Science, Dead Zone, TDK)
Dana Barron (a few 90210 episodes in the 90's)

Jason Lively (Night Of The Creeps)
Dana Hill (voices in Rugrats, Goof Troop) she died in 1996 of diabetes

Johnny Galecki (Roseanne, The Big Bang Theory)
Juliette Lewis (Cape Fear, Natural Born Killers)

Ethan Embry (Can't Hardly Wait)
Marisol Nichols ("24")

Dana Barron reprised her role as Audrey in a TV Spinoff movie involving Randy Quaid's Cousin Eddie.

KnightBat
07-31-2009, 11:35 PM
Thought of some more:

Robert John Burke replacing Peter Weller in Robocop 3 and then subsequently the guy that played Robo in the TV series & TV mini series.

Sticky Fingers replacing Wesley Snipes as Blade in the TV Series.

roach
08-01-2009, 11:27 AM
Sticky Fingers replacing Wesley Snipes as Blade in the TV Series.

i dont think movies to TV should count...did anyone think Wesley was gonna be in the TV series????

TMC1982
08-01-2009, 08:06 PM
A History Of Recasting Characters (http://www.imdb.com/ri/LINK4_HP/BOT_BUCKET/94924/http://www.empireonline.com/features/recast-movie-characters/) from EmpireOnline.com

TMC1982
08-01-2009, 08:08 PM
i dont think movies to TV should count...did anyone think Wesley was gonna be in the TV series????

Looking at Wesley's career at the present moment (post-Blade Trinity) (i.e. stuck in direct-to-DVD hell to go along with his recent tax problems), I wouldn't be surprised.

bullets
08-01-2009, 09:33 PM
I forgot about Don Cheadle replacing Howard. Not sure if i'll be affected by that.

bullets
08-01-2009, 09:33 PM
I forgot about Don Cheadle replacing Howard. Not sure if i'll be affected by that.

roach
08-01-2009, 09:50 PM
Looking at Wesley's career at the present moment (post-Blade Trinity) (i.e. stuck in direct-to-DVD hell to go along with his recent tax problems), I wouldn't be surprised.

at the moment the tv show was announced Wesley was dodging the IRS in Africa

KnightBat
08-01-2009, 11:47 PM
i dont think movies to TV should count...did anyone think Wesley was gonna be in the TV series????


No but it was still a horrible switch. Wesley made Blade his own, he transformed him from B character into a badass character.

TMC1982
08-02-2009, 01:03 AM
No but it was still a horrible switch. Wesley made Blade his own, he transformed him from B character into a badass character.

If anything, Wesley Snipes made people more aware of the Blade character. I first heard of Blade on the 1990s Spider-Man animated series (which predated the live-action movies by a few years). The movies however, took what Spider-Man did as a rough draft (the series first introduced Blade's mentor/partner Whistler, that Kris Kristofferson later played in the movies) and refined it.

roach
08-02-2009, 02:34 AM
If anything, Wesley Snipes made people more aware of the Blade character. I first heard of Blade on the 1990s Spider-Man animated series (which predated the live-action movies by a few years). The movies however, took what Spider-Man did as a rough draft (the series first introduced Blade's mentor/partner Whistler, that Kris Kristofferson later played in the movies) and refined it.

um Blade was an actual comic book character along with Whistler...they appeared way before Spiderman the animated series

Trainwreck2100
08-02-2009, 03:11 AM
Maria Bello taking over for Rachel Weisz in The Mummy: Tomb Of The Dragon Emperor. If they had to re-cast, so be it, but they could've done better.

what really makes me mad about that is they could have just kept eve out of the movie like ardeth bay was she was an egyptologist so her being in egypt while they were in china would have taken 3 minutes to explain.

TMC1982
08-02-2009, 03:16 AM
um Blade was an actual comic book character along with Whistler...they appeared way before Spiderman the animated series

What I meant to say was that my first exposure to Blade was through the Spider-Man animated series (what gave you the impression that I said that he was created by the series). I always heard that the Whistler character was first introduced on that particular series.

Joker
08-02-2009, 06:38 AM
I dont know if this has been mentioned yet, but Tank was NOT recast in the Matrix sequels. He died after the first one, and the character that there's a picture of in the op is Tanks sisters boyfriend.

Oh, and Whistler was created for the Spider-Man animated series. In fact, I'm fairly certain he's never even appeared in a comic book, even post Blade-movies.

TheFuture
08-02-2009, 09:11 AM
The ones I feel strongest about are Hayden Christensen and George Clooney. George Hamilton in Godfather 3 instead of Robert Duvall annoys me no end but at least it wasn't a recast.

I strongly disagree about Gambon, I thoroughly enjoy his performances as Dumbledore.

The Depp
08-02-2009, 04:18 PM
Speed 2

Rishi
08-02-2009, 06:08 PM
Yeah, I think it's a credit to the writers and director that even with an awkward looking John Connor and a barely pumped up Schwarzenegger, it was still a fun movie to watch.

wow, i could not disagree harder.

the writers and director were the first people to blame for the disaster that the movie is

Warhammer
08-02-2009, 06:18 PM
Oh, and Whistler was created for the Spider-Man animated series. In fact, I'm fairly certain he's never even appeared in a comic book, even post Blade-movies.

Yep, I was about to post the same thing. Whistler first appears on the Spider-Man cartoon. He was created by David Goyer (who also wrote Blade) to those who didn't know.

gwynplaine
08-02-2009, 07:45 PM
Vincent Perez had a hard job following in Brandon Lee's footsteps.
Actually it was hard for every actor that followed to portray the Crow (specially considering that the movies got worse and worse), after Brandon's brilliant and powerful rendition of the character.

KnightBat
08-02-2009, 11:33 PM
Speed 2


I have to agree with this one. It so obvious that Jason Patric's character is suppose to be Keanu's character, Jack Traven. All they did was change the name.