The Official Superman Casting Thread

[Webhead2006]

nice pick man for jimmy, i dont know his work. But he has a good look for the character.

[batlovescatDC]

Actually just got another good idea for an actor for Jimmy....

Logan Lerman (Percy Jackson & The Olympians: The Lightning Thief)

Very good young actor, knows what it's like to be in a large scale, action/adventure/fantasy film. Also did an amazing job as Christian Bale's son in 3:10 To Yuma.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/4388976491_a498d08c4c.jpg

[OwlBoy]

My Superman cast

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k215/EAlcantara88/DC%20Casting/supermancast.jpg

Kal-El/Clark Kent/Superman - Matthew Bomer
Lois Lane - Rashida Jones
Lex Luthor - Toby Stephens
Johnathan Kent - Chris Cooper
Martha Kent - Imelda Staunton
Jor-El - Tim Daly
Lara Lor-Van - Elizabeth Mitchell
Jimmy Olsen - Kevin McHale
Perry White - Beau Bridges
Kara Zor-El/Linda Lang/Supergirl - Ashley Benson
Dr. John Henry Irons/Steel III - Henry Simmons
General Zod - Henry Cavill
Vril Dox/Brainiac I - Jason Issacs
Lana Lang - Joanna Garcia
Pete Ross - TJ Thyne

[batlovescatDC]

^ Very much so agreed on Matthew Bomers for Supes. Tim Daly as Jor-El would be pretty cool (not really one of my initial choices but would be a really neat homage to the animated series) and Beau Bridges as Perry White is really cool... never really thought of him before.

Have to say that I disagree with the rest though. But I do have to say that it's very inspired and original. I'm glad to finally see a wish-cast on here that's not practically a carbon copy of what everybody else wants.

[OwlBoy]

Well when I thought about Perry White I tried to think of him as this seasoned, accomplished hard-nosed journalist who's kinda taken a backseat in his older years and is now settling into his role as a kind of wrangler for all these top-line journalists working at the Planet. And when I started to look at it like that I immediately flashed to General Hammond from Stargate: SG-1. Obviously Don S Davis can't be Perry since he's no longer with us but Beau Bridges basically replaced him with a similar character albeit with a slightly softer edge to him and he has the added bonus of looking a lot like how Perry is usually drawn.

[cin0]

My Superman cast

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k215/EAlcantara88/DC%20Casting/supermancast.jpg

Kal-El/Clark Kent/Superman - Matthew Bomer
Lois Lane - Rashida Jones
Lex Luthor - Toby Stephens
Johnathan Kent - Chris Cooper
Martha Kent - Imelda Staunton
Jor-El - Tim Daly
Lara Lor-Van - Elizabeth Mitchell
Jimmy Olsen - Kevin McHale
Perry White - Beau Bridges
Kara Zor-El/Linda Lang/Supergirl - Ashley Benson
Dr. John Henry Irons/Steel III - Henry Simmons
General Zod - Henry Cavill
Vril Dox/Brainiac I - Jason Issacs
Lana Lang - Joanna Garcia
Pete Ross - TJ Thyne
too bad bommer is too short.

[Krug3r]

Johann Urb...

[NotFadeAway]

too bad bommer is too short.

I'm going to say this for the last time, unless we are talking about midgets or dwarfs, HEIGHT IS NOT THE ISSUE THAT SOME MAKE IT OUT TO BE. Bomer is 5'9 for God sakes, that can easily be worked with, EASILY. This argument annoys me almost as much as the whole "Superman has to be played by an American" talk.

Take the whole "height" issue away from Matthew Bomer, take it away for a second, and show me a better actor for the role. Pretend that Bomer has the height qualifications that some feel the role should have, and show me someone better, please.

If WB called me up tomorrow and told me I could cast Superman, but it had to be in that very moment, I would say Matt Bomer without hesitation. And I would not second guess that choice at all.

[OwlBoy]

He's 5'11.5" so the height issue is even more negligible, he'd be the shortest actor to play the role but only by a half inch (Dean Cain is 6')

[Webhead2006]

owl some nice picks i wouldnt mind to see.

[Lone]

http://i42.tinypic.com/20zurex.jpg

Very nice, Mr.Cavill.

[Slamet]

http://i42.tinypic.com/20zurex.jpg

Very nice, Mr.Cavill.

:hehe::applaud

[That-Guy]

Regardless of the whole Superman thing, Cavill looks badass there and I hope that Immortals is a big hit. I think the guy is a great actor and has the talent and charisma to become a major star. He's evidently committed to his roles too... Tarsem said in an interview that he told Cavill that six pack abs weren't going to cut it... he demand the eight pack. And Henry delivered.

[Antonello Blueberry]

My Superman cast

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k215/EAlcantara88/DC%20Casting/supermancast.jpg

Kal-El/Clark Kent/Superman - Matthew Bomer
Lois Lane - Rashida Jones
Lex Luthor - Toby Stephens
Johnathan Kent - Chris Cooper
Martha Kent - Imelda Staunton
Jor-El - Tim Daly
Lara Lor-Van - Elizabeth Mitchell
Jimmy Olsen - Kevin McHale
Perry White - Beau Bridges
Kara Zor-El/Linda Lang/Supergirl - Ashley Benson
Dr. John Henry Irons/Steel III - Henry Simmons
General Zod - Henry Cavill
Vril Dox/Brainiac I - Jason Issacs
Lana Lang - Joanna Garcia
Pete Ross - TJ Thyne
Bomer and Cavill look like siblings in those photos.
I like a lot the Beau Bridges as Perry idea.

[That-Guy]

Yeah, that casting is pretty good but I think if you were to have Bomer as Supes with Cavill playing Zod, you'd have to revise Zod's origin and make him Superman's long lost evil brother or something. I'm not sure that would really work. It reeks of Ty-Zor.

[OwlBoy]

I figure he's a young upstart similar to Napoleon or Alexander but he gets too big for his britches and put into the Phantom Zone where he's frozen at the age he was then which is why he looks not much older than Kal-El

And yeah the fact that Cavill and Bomer kinda look alike is also why I thought I'd be fun to have him in the role.

[That-Guy]

I suppose that could work. I think though that you'd have to drop the "General" title (at least initially) if you went with that, since he is so young. But after he breaks out of the Phantom Zone and unleashes hell on the earth, he could just start calling himself General.

[batman44]

Regardless of the whole Superman thing, Cavill looks badass there and I hope that Immortals is a big hit. I think the guy is a great actor and has the talent and charisma to become a major star. He's evidently committed to his roles too... Tarsem said in an interview that he told Cavill that six pack abs weren't going to cut it... he demand the eight pack. And Henry delivered.

The film should at the very least be a visual treat. I'm looking forward to it.

[That-Guy]

Hell, yeah. Can't wait to see the Minotaur battle.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Sam Neill is my Perry White.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000554/

http://i.thisislondon.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/london-neill-489x350.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/01/article-1051291-063339240000044D-759_468x560.jpg

[That-Guy]

Hmm, interesting idea. Hadn't thought of him before for that role, but I could kinda see it. The only problem with Sam is I've always found him to be too sinister looking to play convincing hero characters. In Jurassic Park, I kept thinking he looked like he wanted to feed the kids to the dinosaurs.

[dark_b]

i would like that.

[cin0]

I'm going to say this for the last time, unless we are talking about midgets or dwarfs, HEIGHT IS NOT THE ISSUE THAT SOME MAKE IT OUT TO BE. Bomer is 5'9 for God sakes, that can easily be worked with, EASILY. This argument annoys me almost as much as the whole "Superman has to be played by an American" talk.

Take the whole "height" issue away from Matthew Bomer, take it away for a second, and show me a better actor for the role. Pretend that Bomer has the height qualifications that some feel the role should have, and show me someone better, please.

If WB called me up tomorrow and told me I could cast Superman, but it had to be in that very moment, I would say Matt Bomer without hesitation. And I would not second guess that choice at all.

If thats how u feel then cool. but i think there are other actors out there just as capable and are taller than 5'9. and superman is 6'3 i really think it would be hard to make a 5'9 guy look 6'3 and at the same time put other charcters in the movie and make them look shorter than him. i think there are other roles bomer would be better for than superman anyway.

[Man of Tomorrow]

We have a 6'2 Green Lantern. I want a Superman that can believably look taller than him without various camera tricks and high heels.

[rob-el2]

I'm going to say this for the last time, unless we are talking about midgets or dwarfs, HEIGHT IS NOT THE ISSUE THAT SOME MAKE IT OUT TO BE. Bomer is 5'9 for God sakes, that can easily be worked with, EASILY. This argument annoys me almost as much as the whole "Superman has to be played by an American" talk.

Take the whole "height" issue away from Matthew Bomer, take it away for a second, and show me a better actor for the role. Pretend that Bomer has the height qualifications that some feel the role should have, and show me someone better, please.

If WB called me up tomorrow and told me I could cast Superman, but it had to be in that very moment, I would say Matt Bomer without hesitation. And I would not second guess that choice at all.

I'm sure this has already been posted somewhere amongst the 275 pages (I wasn't going to look for it!) but in case it hasn't here Bomer in a Japanese ad as CK...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdZbgUSFskU

[elgaz]

Superman has always been BIG. It's one of the core elements of the character for crying out loud. A 5"9 actor, even in boots, will not cut it.

[NotFadeAway]

I'm more worried about getting a Superman solo film made first, and a good one at that, before I'm worried about how tall Superman will look next to Green Lantern in a hypothetical JLA film thats years off.

If you believe that a man can fly, how come you cannot believe that a 5'9-5'11 guy can be made to look bigger? Bomer actually has a good build to pack on some muscle, which woould help greatly.

Now, I'm not saying it has to be Matt Bomer, or that my one and only choice is Matt Bomer. I don't have a set 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc choice anymore. It's just from what I've seen, Matthew Bomer has everything you could want in Superman/Clark Kent OTHER than the ideal height. And I just want everyone to know, atleast one part of the criteria is going to have to be sacrificed in order to find the best actor for the job. Better make up your mind what your willing to sacrifice.

[OwlBoy]

Goddamit he's not 5'9" (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0093589/bio)

[elgaz]

5"9, 5"10, 5"11, whatever. They're all normal, average heights. 6"3 at least for Supes.

[NotFadeAway]

5"9, 5"10, 5"11, whatever. They're all normal, average heights. 6"3 at least for Supes.

6'3 atleast, huh? Do you know how many actors that would eliminate from contention? I'm sure there still be alot of male models that qualify under that rule, but alot of good actors would be kicked out of contention. Not smart!

And Owlboy, I said 5'9-5'11. I'm on your side here.

[elgaz]

Yes, lots of average height actors. Then they can eliminate the average looking ones, followed by the ones who give average performances.

And hopefully we'll be left with someone worthy of playing SUPERman, not another middle-of-the-road actor who could be Spiderman, Green Arrow, anyone. The actor who plays Superman has to be the cream of the crop, in terms of acting ability, build and looks. Is it not WB who want an 'angry God' this time around? No offence to Matthew Bomer or anyone else with his build, but I'll never look at him and think he's capable of playing a God-like being. And that's considering I've already seen him in a Superman suit. He's not intimidating, he doesn't awe me, and casting aside the whole Superman thing, he doesn't even look like he could play the farmboy Clark Kent.

[OwlBoy]

And Owlboy, I said 5'9-5'11. I'm on your side here.

I know I posted that at the same time and yours came out before mine

[kalelkilla]

Superman is a BIG dude, deal with it. There is no way they're gonna cast someone that's average height. Matthew Bomer in particular looks slight on White Collar. He is barely taller than most of the women on the show(heels i know) and is pretty thin. Fit but thin. I have nothing against him, he is just not Superman. He doesn't look like Superman when he enters a room. Maybe he is better suited for Flash...or maybe a Superman villain.

[elgaz]

Matthew Bomer actually has what it takes to be a good Zod. Just needs a haircut.

[NotFadeAway]

Yes, lots of average height actors. Then they can eliminate the average looking ones, followed by the ones who give average performances.

And hopefully we'll be left with someone worthy of playing SUPERman, not another middle-of-the-road actor who could be Spiderman, Green Arrow, anyone. The actor who plays Superman has to be the cream of the crop, in terms of acting ability, build and looks. Is it not WB who want an 'angry God' this time around? No offence to Matthew Bomer or anyone else with his build, but I'll never look at him and think he's capable of playing a God-like being. And that's considering I've already seen him in a Superman suit. He's not intimidating, he doesn't awe me, and casting aside the whole Superman thing, he doesn't even look like he could play the farmboy Clark Kent.

First off, no offense, but we are not going to agree on this subject. I can tell you that right now. I'm might not backing down, your not backing down, lets agree to disagree. Though you should know, I don't agree with the studio wanting an "Angry-God" either. This further proves the studio's ignorance with the Superman character.

Now, the part of your post that I made bold. It comes back to what I said, a part of the criteria is going to have to be sacrificed. I'm just saying.

[Puckenstein]

http://i42.tinypic.com/20zurex.jpg

Very nice, Mr.Cavill.

A+ :up:

[B]

http://i42.tinypic.com/20zurex.jpg

Very nice, Mr.Cavill.

Jeez that boy is cut :wow:

If he where cast I'd like to see him in this sort of shape only a touch bigger.

[Kal El Vis]

Threads like these just remind us that there is going to be a LOT of disappointed people when Superman is finally cast.....

[Webhead2006]

not a bad pick of neil for perry i would love to see him. alec baldwin, or bridges from owl's pick to be perry.

[arrivals]

That Cavill Picture has a great right man at the right time vibe to it, that is uncanny.


Not sure he will ever get the role, but he certainly now has the correct look, and an added plus of the talent to boot.

[That-Guy]

Jeez that boy is cut :wow:

If he where cast I'd like to see him in this sort of shape only a touch bigger.

I'm sure, if it happens, he would be. Immortals required him to be ultra-ripped, but not necessarily bulky, because he's a warrior and would need to be agile. If he landed the Supes role, I'm sure he'd be bigger.

[Lone]

I have a feeling that if The Immortals is a success, WB will be looking at Cavill for the role of Supes.

My panties wouldn't be in a twist if he got cast.

[NotFadeAway]

I just want Brandon Routh back

(In my mind and behind this here computer screen)......Don't do it Fade, leave it alone, let go my man, you've been doing so good, don't....I don't think I can help myself. must put hands on keyboard and rant, must, must must must.....


Nope, I'm not doing it, I'm not throwing a Routh fit........NO MORE.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Speaking of Brandon Routh.. what the heck?

He's back from the dead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeroL01w2w4

[batlovescatDC]

Regardless of the whole Superman thing, Cavill looks badass there and I hope that Immortals is a big hit. I think the guy is a great actor and has the talent and charisma to become a major star. He's evidently committed to his roles too... Tarsem said in an interview that he told Cavill that six pack abs weren't going to cut it... he demand the eight pack. And Henry delivered.

So jealous that he can just get an eight pack that easily for a role. And also that no matter what he does or what looks he tries, he still has that "sexy guy" thing to him. I congratualate him on this but it pisses me off lol... I can't gain weight for the life of me. Always been skinny as hell.



And I say that Bomer is the best choice for Superman that I've ever seen on these boards. But I'm not going to be highly disappointed if they don't go with him for the role... I just hope that they choose the right actor. With the Nolans, David Goyer, and who knows what other great people attached it right now... I have a hard time seeing us getting a bad cast for the Supes reboot.

:supes:

[GreenKToo]

Nolan, goyer, and the director will cast who they think will best as Supes.
Be it a 6'3 actor, or a 5'10 one.
I'm more concerned with who is gonna direct at this point than who gets cast in what roles.

[Mr. Earle]

Speaking of Brandon Routh.. what the heck?

He's back from the dead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeroL01w2w4I think Chuck meant the guy that he supposedly killed at his final test to become a spy. From the looks of it Routh is evil after all. Or something...

[Webhead2006]

I just cant wait to we are actually in the thick of casting and we have some dam real names to be talking about who we know are testing or about to test, then of course once names start getting knocked off the list like it was for cap.

[B]

I've a question/moderating suggestion:

I noticed someone opened a "Henry Cavill for Superman" thread & it was promptly closed due to a violation of forum rules & all support any actor for that matter should be posted in this thread. Fair enough.

So then why is there a Brandon Routh thread in the 'Untitled Superman Film' forum considering he is in no better a position to any other actor who has been connected with the part for the reboot? Surely it should be moved to the celeb or Superman Returns forum..? :huh:

[Timstuff]

I've a question/moderating suggestion:

I noticed someone opened a "Henry Cavill for Superman" thread & it was promptly closed due to a violation of forum rules & all support any actor for that matter should be posted in this thread. Fair enough.

So then why is there a Brandon Routh thread in the 'Untitled Superman Film' forum considering he is in no better a position to any other actor who has been connected with the part for the reboot? Surely it should be moved to the celeb or Superman Returns forum..? :huh:

I know, tell me about it. Either close the Routh thread or allow the Cavill thread to stay open. Smells like a double standard, to me.

Anyway, HOLY CRAP is Cavill ripped in Immortals! That's Superman potential right there, I tell ya. :awesome:

[NotFadeAway]

I've a question/moderating suggestion:

I noticed someone opened a "Henry Cavill for Superman" thread & it was promptly closed due to a violation of forum rules & all support any actor for that matter should be posted in this thread. Fair enough.

So then why is there a Brandon Routh thread in the 'Untitled Superman Film' forum considering he is in no better a position to any other actor who has been connected with the part for the reboot? Surely it should be moved to the celeb or Superman Returns forum..? :huh:

Honestly, neither Cavill or Routh should get there own thread in my opinion. Atleast not here. Routh could have a personal thread in the Superman Returns forum, but not here.

With that said, there is also alot of bias in favor of Routh. A blood vessel would pop if the almight routh didn't have his own thread.

[B]

Personally I don't really care about which particular actor has or has not have a thread. I was only pointing out that you can't really close one thread that was created to show support for an actor in getting the role while leaving another thread that is essentially serving the same purpose for another actor, open. It is a contradiction of the 'forum rules'.

It should be moved to the Superman Returns or celeb forums, or else closed.

[Kal El Vis]

Personally I don't really care about which particular actor has or has not have a thread. I was only pointing out that you can't really close one thread that was created to show support for an actor in getting the role while leaving another thread that is essentially serving the same purpose for another actor, open. It is a contradiction of the 'forum rules'.

It should be moved to the Superman Returns or celeb forums, or else closed.

http://www.cslacker.com/images/file/mediums/two_thumbs_up.jpg

[NotFadeAway]

Most of you might not remember this, but a few months back I mentioned that I was trying to create my own superhero for a creative writing class, but I couldn't figure out a name. Keeping in mind that my heroes origin story is to the Count of Monte Cristo what Green Arrows is to Robin Hood.

With that in mind, I've given my hero the name Vindicatus, the latin translation of revenge. And in another nod to Monte Cristo, my guy's street alias once he escapes is William Dantes. Vindicatus/William Dantes would be unable to ever use his old name after escaping.

I'm also working on a World War 3 fanfic. A bit morbid, yes. Bad ju-ju, possibly. But it is interesting to think about.

[Timstuff]

I have a feeling that if The Immortals is a success, WB will be looking at Cavill for the role of Supes.

Most definitely. He's very chiseled and is rockin' the Superman look in that pic, and if he proves he can carry a film then hopefully Nolan and co. will give his agent a call.

[Man of Tomorrow]

It won't matter by then regardless. "Immortals" is coming out mid-November 2011.

Ideally Superman casting should be well underway before then, considering Brandon Routh was cast and announced in October 2004 (with SR set for summer 06).

But it's not like Cavill has a shot anyway.

[B]

It won't matter by then regardless. "Immortals" is coming out mid-November 2011.

Ideally Superman casting should be well underway before then, considering Brandon Routh was cast and announced in October 2004 (with SR set for summer 06).

But it's not like Cavill has a shot anyway.

Give it a rest will you.

Unless you can produce something (a quote from someone who matters for example) that can conclusively rule Cavill, or any actor for that matter out of the running before the casting process has even begun, then you just shouldn't speak on the matter at all, nevermind in the general tone you've worded the bolded as if you are stating a well known fact.

[Dark_Lord]

Most definitely. He's very chiseled and is rockin' the Superman look in that pic, and if he proves he can carry a film then hopefully Nolan and co. will give his agent a call.

Really? The pic from the Immortals? Based on that pic alone, I'd say no to Cavill. There are way better pics of him where he has the Superman look. I just don't see it in that pic.

Anyway...I don't know what it is with Cavill. I definitely think he has the Superman look, as you say, in many different pics, but when I see manips using the exact same pics, I somehow don't see it. It's weird. Maybe I'm weird :oldrazz:...

[Sam]

http://i42.tinypic.com/20zurex.jpg



I dunno why, but that reminds me Mark Bagley's Spiderman

[cronosred]

I've a question/moderating suggestion:

I noticed someone opened a "Henry Cavill for Superman" thread & it was promptly closed due to a violation of forum rules & all support any actor for that matter should be posted in this thread. Fair enough.

So then why is there a Brandon Routh thread in the 'Untitled Superman Film' forum considering he is in no better a position to any other actor who has been connected with the part for the reboot? Surely it should be moved to the celeb or Superman Returns forum..? :huh:

I have to admit I thought about that that myself, anytime a Smallville thread is opened it's quickly closed or moved to the Smallville section, I think the same should be done with anything Superman Returns related because it has nothing to do with the new movie.

[Krug3r]

Hear Hear... ^

[Dark_Lord]

Smallville threads should stay in the Smallville section. That's why we have it. As for not allowing "X for Superman" threads. It's because, imo, there would be too many different ones and there's no reason when we already have a casting thread. I do agree about the Routh thread and I'm a Routh fan. It's only fair to move it at the SR section.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Who cares.

[kalelkilla]

I remember Show being adamant about "the powers at be" NEEDING to cast an American for Superman. I think they're killing a huge talent pool, but if it is true and Show is usually right about this stuff, then the Cavil talk is kinda pointless. Maybe Zod?

[Dark Knight]

I remember Show being adamant about "the powers at be" NEEDING to cast an American for Superman. I think they're killing a huge talent pool, but if it is true and Show is usually right about this stuff, then the Cavil talk is kinda pointless. Maybe Zod?





Yeah well, the "powers that be" ways of thinking they need to cast an American only for Superman is a close minded, and stupid way of thinking.

Lets hope Nolan helps get those "powers that be" out of that silly close minded way of thinking.

[Jake Cassidy]

Give it a rest will you.

Unless you can produce something (a quote from someone who matters for example) that can conclusively rule Cavill, or any actor for that matter out of the running before the casting process has even begun, then you just shouldn't speak on the matter at all, nevermind in the general tone you've worded the bolded as if you are stating a well known fact.


:woot:

[echostation]

whatever it is, I think Paul Gross as Jor-El would be terrific... that would be such a great casting choice.

For Supes himself... there a few on that show The Pacific that seem pretty good although many are not tall enough.

I think since this whole question of American and Non-American... why not open up the talent pool to non-caucasian actors.. or at least those of Olive skinned/tan color, hispanic, iranian, afghani, middle eastern and a few Indian actors could fit the bill PROVIDED they could do a good American Accent.

such as there is hair do air:

http://www.tehelka.com/channels/News/2010/jan/30/images/milind.jpg

http://www.rediff.com/chat/msoman5.jpg

[Man of Tomorrow]

Yeah well, the "powers that be" ways of thinking they need to cast an American only for Superman is a close minded, and stupid way of thinking.

Lets hope Nolan helps get those "powers that be" out of that silly close minded way of thinking.


Nolan will be tied up with Batman III has his primary project of focus.


Superman 3.0 is very much studio driven. Nolan is just helping out. He isn't controlling this thing.

[Crook]

Except for the fact that, he, well...brought it to WB. It's a project he sought out to make, it's negligent to assume he won't be keeping a close eye on the major aspects of production.

[Webhead2006]

even if they only do want an american if casting goes through many many rounds maybe future rounds will open up to non americans. But we will just have to see if more critica for the role comes out once we have director on board.

[Eros]

Yeah well, the "powers that be" ways of thinking they need to cast an American only for Superman is a close minded, and stupid way of thinking.

Lets hope Nolan helps get those "powers that be" out of that silly close minded way of thinking.

Ironically Nolan is very close minded on many aspects of the Batman world lol.

[NotFadeAway]

I remember Show being adamant about "the powers at be" NEEDING to cast an American for Superman. I think they're killing a huge talent pool, but if it is true and Show is usually right about this stuff, then the Cavil talk is kinda pointless. Maybe Zod?

Exactly.

If you pidgeon hole yourself by only considering American actors, they better go with some atleast slightly known and established, not A-list, but with name awareness. If you the unkown route along with the Americans only route, there is a huge risk of having a talentless male model cast. America has the biggest population of talentless male model actors, more so than anywhere else.

This would further prove just how incompetent and ignorant Warner's is. God I hate them so, so much.

Now, with Captain America, I understand wanting an American. I want an America, and I know that makes me sound like I'm contradicting myslef. I can see that, and I agree with that sentiment. It's just that one, I don't care as much about Cap as I do Superman and that makes me more willing to take the risk of landing a talentless male model. Two, it would be a nice way to market the movie, an American playing Captain America. On the other side of that coin, I wouldn't want to hear about a foeriegner playing Cap 300 times leading up the movie release. Last, I'm not ashamed to say, thats OUR hero. Captain America is AMERICA's man. Not anyone elses. I doubt the worldwide numbers would take a hit because of this, but if so, screw the rest of the world.

[Jake Cassidy]

I'm looking forward to Captain America, Fade.

[Ring Deacon]

After working on that manip last night. I am leaning towards Matt Bomer as Superman. Back when they were trying to get the ball rolling on SR, he was in the running for the role. Even back then he had the look for it. I think he looks the most like Superman of any of the young actors named so far. Yeah Cudmore would have the size going for him, but as for acting skills Bomer is better then him by leaps and bounds.

Hamm has the look and the acting chops but if he is pushing 40. If they were making a Kingdom Come movie I'd be all for him being cast.

I think the best route to go will be like what WB did with the first Superman movie and with returns. Cast a relatively unknown actor from TV, and mold him into the new Superman. I wouldn't want a big name to be cast, because all people would talk about is "oh that's Johnny Depp as Superman", and not OMG That is Superman! I want to have the same feeling I got when I saw Superman The movie at the are of 7 and was in awe that Superman was on the big screen. Even Routh gave off that vibe. Look how casting a b-list actor worked for Nolan with Batman. Bales was know but not on a large scale. BB made him a huge star. The Man of Steel could do the same for another actor.

[kalelkilla]

After seeing the last 10 or so actors that were in the running for Captain America, I REALLY hope Nolan gets the WB to look elsewhere for their Superman.

I mean that was a piss poor group of actors. Maybe Superman isn't American this time around.

The best actor for Superman is going to experienced but relatively unknown, probably from TV.

[Joker's Lackey]

After working on that manip last night. I am leaning towards Matt Bomer as Superman. Back when they were trying to get the ball rolling on SR, he was in the running for the role. Even back then he had the look for it. I think he looks the most like Superman of any of the young actors named so far. Yeah Cudmore would have the size going for him, but as for acting skills Bomer is better then him by leaps and bounds.

Hamm has the look and the acting chops but if he is pushing 40. If they were making a Kingdom Come movie I'd be all for him being cast.

I think the best route to go will be like what WB did with the first Superman movie and with returns. Cast a relatively unknown actor from TV, and mold him into the new Superman. I wouldn't want a big name to be cast, because all people would talk about is "oh that's Johnny Depp as Superman", and not OMG That is Superman! I want to have the same feeling I got when I saw Superman The movie at the are of 7 and was in awe that Superman was on the big screen. Even Routh gave off that vibe. Look how casting a b-list actor worked for Nolan with Batman. Bales was know but not on a large scale. BB made him a huge star. The Man of Steel could do the same for another actor.

Isn't supes, supposed to be in his mid 30's anyway? I don't think he is a 20 something hero.

[Ring Deacon]

Isn't supes, supposed to be in his mid 30's anyway? I don't think he is a 20 something hero.

I think from what WB is going with Supes is young then Batman so he may be in his late 20's early 30's. They are using Batman to set up the whole DC movie universe. If you are talking comic version of Supes I say yes to late 30's and he is slightly older then Batman.

[GreenKToo]

I dunno. It was said that this Superman would already be known by Lois, Lex, and the whole of Metropolis. Now does that mean it's his first year? 3rd year? or even 5th year? Hard to say.
That fact will go along way in figuring out his age range. Mid 20's for 1st year, late 20's for 3rd, or maybe even early to mid 30's for 5th year and beyond.

Thats way i'm anxious to hear the director announcement and his, nolan's, and goyer's ideas. Right now It's hard to pick a favorite actor for supes when we dont yet know what superman's age range will be in the film.

[That-Guy]

Give it a rest will you.

Unless you can produce something (a quote from someone who matters for example) that can conclusively rule Cavill, or any actor for that matter out of the running before the casting process has even begun, then you just shouldn't speak on the matter at all, nevermind in the general tone you've worded the bolded as if you are stating a well known fact.

Oh... well... baleheadbrasil said Cavill makes her want to puke, so I guess that means he's out of the running. :hehe:

[Dark Knight]

Ironically Nolan is very close minded on many aspects of the Batman world lol.





We are talking about casting and not Batmans film world.

If being close minded means Nolan doesn't want to add Clayface or Mr Freeze or Robin, to his Bat universe, than that type of "close minded" thinking is a smart and wise of thinking. The Box Office #'s and Critical Acclaim for both BB and TDK tend to show that Nolan's "close minded" decision making has been SOUND as far the direction and tone of the Bat films he has produced, written and directed.

[Dark Knight]

After seeing the last 10 or so actors that were in the running for Captain America, I REALLY hope Nolan gets the WB to look elsewhere for their Superman.

I mean that was a piss poor group of actors. Maybe Superman isn't American this time around.

The best actor for Superman is going to experienced but relatively unknown, probably from TV.







Defintely.

When I heard the rumblings that to not be surprised if we end up seeing the contenders for Cap also end up being contenders for the role of Superman....I wanted to puke.

Lets hope that does NOT wind up being the case.

The "actors" who auditioned/allegedly auditioned or did screentests for the role of Cap was a rather terrible and uninspiring group of lousy actors IMO.

[Kal El Vis]

People are forgetting that NOW, after the debacle that was Superman Returns, the Warner Bros. are going to be VERY "hands on" when it comes to the new Superman film. They saw what happens when they sat back and let a director have free-reign.

They won't let THAT happen again.....

[Crook]

Except they did just that with TDK, Watchmen, TS, and many others. WB is simply the most hands-free of all the other major studios.

[Showtime]

People are forgetting that NOW, after the debacle that was Superman Returns, the Warner Bros. are going to be VERY "hands on" when it comes to the new Superman film. They saw what happens when they sat back and let a director have free-reign.

They won't let THAT happen again.....

:dry:

What do you think happened? You think that Bryan Singer went into a bunker and made a movie and WB knew nothing of what was going on?

WB saw what happens when you greenlight a script with Superman having a kid, no supervillian, and no fighting among other things.

I really love the WB is the victim argument. 2007 called, they want their misinformed argument back.

WB was at fault for allowing what Superman Returns was, just as much as Singer was for allowing it to make it to screen.

[Webhead2006]

well lets just hope we see the right decisions made this time, and we get a solid all around great film. I would love for superman on film to be as critical as nolan's batman has been.

[db85usa]

Isn't Chris Nolan basically a new and improved Jon Peters? Wasn't that guy an insane control freak during previous Superman productions for all the wrong reasons?

That's what I assume Nolan's role will be with the new Supes film (a guy with an insane amount of creative control.)

[Webhead2006]

well peters was just wacked out with silly crazy stuff if i recall. Nolan is alot different then peters.

[db85usa]

well peters was just wacked out with silly crazy stuff if i recall. Nolan is alot different then peters.

I know that but the point was that Nolan (I'm assuming) will probably have some kind of creative control with this production like Peters did but for the right reasons hence why I said Peters had control for all the wrong reasons :)

[That-Guy]

Nolan's going to make giant spiders cool again. :hehe:

[db85usa]

Nolan's going to make giant spiders cool again. :hehe:

lol so glad Nolan's on board and Peters is not!

[Kal El Vis]

:dry:

What do you think happened? You think that Bryan Singer went into a bunker and made a movie and WB knew nothing of what was going on?

WB saw what happens when you greenlight a script with Superman having a kid, no supervillian, and no fighting among other things.

I really love the WB is the victim argument. 2007 called, they want their misinformed argument back.

WB was at fault for allowing what Superman Returns was, just as much as Singer was for allowing it to make it to screen.

Ah yes, way to miss the point entirely!

But you seem to be on a "mission" here, so I'll leave it at that.

[That-Guy]

lol so glad Nolan's on board and Peters is not!

Heh, yeah, remember back when Peters was still around, trying to screw Superman up to the point of no return?

Still, what you said is true... Nolan's role here appears to be that of a Bizarro Jon Peters, lol.

[Showtime]

Ah yes, way to miss the point entirely!

I don't think I missed it. More like dismissed it.

But you seem to be on a "mission" here, so I'll leave it at that.

If my mission was to know that WB was just as much at fault as Singer than yes.

It is sure better for you to leave it at that.

[NotFadeAway]

I'm looking forward to Captain America, Fade.

As am I.

I've always wanted a Cap film to be a period piece with a superhero thrown in, and it sounds like thats what were getting. And count me among those that think Chris Evans will do a fine job. Was he my first choice, no. Benjamin McKenzie was, because he is a good actor and he looks like he walked out of the 1940's.But I have supreme confidence in Evans, and Weaving will make an awesome Red Skull.

[NotFadeAway]

Ah yes, way to miss the point entirely!

But you seem to be on a "mission" here, so I'll leave it at that.

Both sides, the WB and Bryan Singer, can suck it as far as I'm concerned when it comes to Superman.

The Wb spent almost a decade and a half trying to make a Superman movie that completely changed around the character and added stupid elements. Giant spiders, Lois having a immaculate conception after Superman dies, Superman not being able to fly, Tim f-ing Burton, Neo-Superman, Kryptonian Lex Luthor, etc. This is when the studio had full control over the project.

And then, when they FINALLY throw up there hands in a realization that they don't have a clue and turn over full control to a Director, Bryan Singer gives us a waste of space, whole lotta nothing sequel to a 25 year old film.

Now, were right back to Superman being studio controlled. Superman has been bent over the proverbial rail both ways. The only hope I have is my faith in the writing ability of David Goyer and Jonah Nolan, although they have never tackled a character like Superman. They write for dark characters, which goes right back to the paragraph about the studio control, they always want to make the character something he is not. Atleast there use of Byrne's Man of Steel tells me they understand another version of the character needs to be shown, I just wish it was a combo of Birthright and TAS.

[RachelDawes]

Both sides, the WB and Bryan Singer, can suck it as far as I'm concerned when it comes to Superman.

The Wb spent almost a decade and a half trying to make a Superman movie that completely changed around the character and added stupid elements. Giant spiders, Lois having a immaculate conception after Superman dies, Superman not being able to fly, Tim f-ing Burton, Neo-Superman, Kryptonian Lex Luthor, etc. This is when the studio had full control over the project.

And then, when they FINALLY throw up there hands in a realization that they don't have a clue and turn over full control to a Director, Bryan Singer gives us a waste of space, whole lotta nothing sequel to a 25 year old film.

Now, were right back to Superman being studio controlled. Superman has been bent over the proverbial rail both ways. The only hope I have is my faith in the writing ability of David Goyer and Jonah Nolan, although they have never tackled a character like Superman. They write for dark characters, which goes right back to the paragraph about the studio control, they always want to make the character something he is not. Atleast there use of Byrne's Man of Steel tells me they understand another version of the character needs to be shown, I just wish it was a combo of Birthright and TAS.

This always makes me :doh:. Can it really be so hard to make a Superman movie?

[That-Guy]

Only if you own the rights to the character, apparently.

[Dark Knight]

Both sides, the WB and Bryan Singer, can suck it as far as I'm concerned when it comes to Superman.

The Wb spent almost a decade and a half trying to make a Superman movie that completely changed around the character and added stupid elements. Giant spiders, Lois having a immaculate conception after Superman dies, Superman not being able to fly, Tim f-ing Burton, Neo-Superman, Kryptonian Lex Luthor, etc. This is when the studio had full control over the project.

And then, when they FINALLY throw up there hands in a realization that they don't have a clue and turn over full control to a Director, Bryan Singer gives us a waste of space, whole lotta nothing sequel to a 25 year old film.

Now, were right back to Superman being studio controlled. Superman has been bent over the proverbial rail both ways. The only hope I have is my faith in the writing ability of David Goyer and Jonah Nolan, although they have never tackled a character like Superman. They write for dark characters, which goes right back to the paragraph about the studio control, they always want to make the character something he is not. Atleast there use of Byrne's Man of Steel tells me they understand another version of the character needs to be shown, I just wish it was a combo of Birthright and TAS.





Agreed....and I want a combo of Waids' Birthright, TAS, some of Byrnes takes, some of Geoff Johns takes, some of Morrisons takes, and some of Loebs takes used as inspiration for the story and script of the next film.

[Webhead2006]

oh yea nolan is probably going to have a control on the creative things, but probably not as much as he had with batman. Since we know wb is going to be controlling things differently this time around for superman. But i am sure they will not fall into any past mistakes they made over the yrs with superman projects. Only time will tell what type of film we will end up seeing and i hope its a smashing sucess for all.

[Kal El Vis]

I don't think I missed it. More like dismissed it.

If my mission was to know that WB was just as much at fault as Singer than yes.

It is sure better for you to leave it at that.

It's funny, really.

Anyway, like I said, WB will be more "hands on" this time around.

Count on it.

[Kal El Vis]

And then, when they FINALLY throw up there hands in a realization that they don't have a clue and turn over full control to a Director, Bryan Singer gives us a waste of space, whole lotta nothing sequel to a 25 year old film.

Which was my point from the beginning. Glad you got it.

[NotFadeAway]

Agreed....and I want a combo of Waids' Birthright, TAS, some of Byrnes takes, some of Geoff Johns takes, some of Morrisons takes, and some of Loebs takes used as inspiration for the story and script of the next film.


Me personally, I'd take TAS, Waid's Birthright, Superman For All Seasons by Loeb, and then I'd throw in a little Golden Age Superman for classical effect. But then, they have to take that, but still make the movie original, make it there own.

I'd really like to see Jeph Loeb get in on the script somehow.

[Kal El Vis]

Me personally, I'd take TAS, Waid's Birthright, Superman For All Seasons by Loeb, and then I'd throw in a little Golden Age Superman for classical effect. But then, they have to take that, but still make the movie original, make it there own.

I'd really like to see Jeph Loeb get in on the script somehow.

I would prefer All-Star Superman over Golden Age Kal-L. It still has a lot of the "over the top" ideas, but in a more "wink-wink/nudge-nudge" way.

And I would take Loeb over Johns any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. That guy has got Donner-vision, and the new movies do NOT need that....

[Derrick9592]

Hey guys, here's some new choices I found on imdb

Casey Jon Deidrick (6'4, 1987)
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj195/bradypub/Solos/Chad%20Woods/Chad-1.jpg

Aaron Hill (6'5, 1983)
http://images.tvrage.com/people/11/31205.jpg

Dane Christensen (6'3, 1986)
http://www.teenidols4you.com/blink/Actors/dane_christensen/dane_christensen_1191430375.jpg

Chandler Maness (6'3, 1984)
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BODk5Mzc4MzMxNF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODg5ODg0Mw@@._ V1._SX298_SY448_.jpg

[Timstuff]

Not very impressed with any of them, honestly. They all look kind of boyish/baby faced to me.

[Webhead2006]

yea as many as you know from posts i made i been saying for awhile it would probably be nice i they did take a look at many different takes of the character through his history, and find the best elements that work for them, and combine it all together to make a good well rounded out characters and stories. I agree that bryne, birthright, tas is the top 3 things they should use, then also sprinkle in stuff from much older eras too.

[nintendo nerd]

hey guys, here's some new choices i found on imdb

casey jon deidrick (6'4, 1987)
http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj195/bradypub/solos/chad%20woods/chad-1.jpg

aaron hill (6'5, 1983)
http://images.tvrage.com/people/11/31205.jpg

dane christensen (6'3, 1986)
http://www.teenidols4you.com/blink/actors/dane_christensen/dane_christensen_1191430375.jpg

chandler maness (6'3, 1984)
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/m/mv5bodk5mzc4mzmxnf5bml5banbnxkftztcwodg5odg0mw@@._ v1._sx298_sy448_.jpg

no

no

no

[Showtime]

It's funny, really.

Anyway, like I said, WB will be more "hands on" this time around.

Count on it.

It is pretty funny actually...

This whole "hands on" thing, not quite a new notion, it's been talked about for about four years now. Revelation? Not so much.

[smooth3006]

superman returns was a good flick IMO. it's gets too bad of a rep. i find it funny that all you guys really think the studio is going to give all of you what you want. no matter who they cast, no matter the story line, the villian or fight scenes won't please everyone. im still all for welling or routh but i know neither of those will happen. im just saying yes im sure wb/nolan knows what some of you want but they will go with whats best for them and what brings in the most money at the end of the day.

[NotFadeAway]

I would prefer All-Star Superman over Golden Age Kal-L. It still has a lot of the "over the top" ideas, but in a more "wink-wink/nudge-nudge" way.

And I would take Loeb over Johns any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. That guy has got Donner-vision, and the new movies do NOT need that....

Again, personally I would prefer Golden Age Superman. I've just really grown to dig that version of the character and would somehow like to fuse Golden Age Supes with Post-Crisis Clark Kent. Anything Silver Age though, I leave that out. Thats the most boring take on the character. And in a straight origin story, I'd like to throw in scenes of Superman, upon debuting, going up against and stopping some wife beaters, social criminals, etc while building up to his fight against say Braniac or Eradicator. I also like the idea of Earth fearing Superman at first but by the end of the movie growing to believe in him.

And I'd take Loeb over Johns anyday myself. It's not just that Johns has Donner vision, which he so does and that turns me off to him alone, but I just consider Loebs the better writer and one of the most underrated writes DC has ever had. And an other reason I'd rather have Loeb on this project is he has successfully written for both comics and multiple television shows. He wrote some of the best Smallville episodes in my opinion and then worked on superior shows in Lost and Heroes. I'd also take Mark Waid over Johns anyday. Now, my favorite interpretation of the character in all media has been and likely always will be Superman: The Animated Series.

My dream scenario, which isn't likely anymore for obvious reasons, was for the Superman reboot prject to be turned over to the writing teams of either Damon Lindelof/Carlton Cuse of Lost or Ronald D. Moore and David Eick of Battlestar Galactica, and then team them with Jeph Loeb, Mark Waid, or Timm/Dini. Then, you give them TAS, Birthright, For All Seasons, and some Golden Age Superman and say, give us an origin movie from that. Thats what I would do if I were Producing the next Superman film. I want genre guys on this, and while Goyer/J. Nolan can be described as such, like we have said they don't really scream Superman. And then after the script is done, you could and find a Martin Campbell-esque "script director", make a few studio friendly casting choices like Blake Lively in Green Lantern, and make a fine film regardless.

I also still maintain that, if the WB is looking for a Ryan Reynolds style casting choice, Joshua Jackson would be a good Superman/Clark Kent.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

i find it funny that all you guys really think the studio is going to give all of you what you want.


I have not seen anyone indicate this belief. If anything with the failed history of Superman projects, fans on here are nervous as ever.

[Dark Knight]

I would prefer All-Star Superman over Golden Age Kal-L. It still has a lot of the "over the top" ideas, but in a more "wink-wink/nudge-nudge" way.

And I would take Loeb over Johns any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. That guy has got Donner-vision, and the new movies do NOT need that....





I would like to see elements of Johns Braniac story arc be used as some inspiration in the next film.

[SuperAl]

now that smallville is ending.........hire TOM WELLING lol

[NotFadeAway]

I would like to see elements of Johns Braniac story arc be used as some inspiration in the next film.

You know, I used to believe that Braniac should only and could only be used in film as the Kryptonian Braniac version from TAS.

BUT, after Smallville pretty much bothced that and just a change in my beliefs, in an origin film, I almost would rather see the Eradicator as the sole villian with the Kryptonian heritage to go up against Superman, accomplishing the same thing pretty much, and then you could use another form of Braniac down the road if you wanted.

[Man of Tomorrow]

I'm perfectly happy with them using the 1980s "Man of Steel" comic series for the script, as it was reported.

I wonder if we'll get a naturally balding Lex with hair.

http://captain.custard.org/league/graphics/covers/full/mos1_04.jpg


They did a great job using "Batman:Year One" as inspiration for "Batman Begins"

I'm willing to bet we will get Kryptonian Brainiac though. It was reported the script may not have the standard Jor-El origins/Krypton stuff, but however has a very strong Kryptonian/Alien storyline.

[MAN O STEEL]

Travis van winkle:

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Steve

[Dagoods]

it's a plane it's a bird...... it's Super Ivan Drago :D:D:D

[nintendo nerd]

now that smallville is ending.........hire TOM WELLING lol

http://www.bstack.net/Downloads/Pictures/Sigs/epic%20fail%20plane.jpg

[GreenKToo]

Not bad Man O steel. That manip reminds me of the ross superman.

[batlovescatDC]

Man O Steel... he even stood out for doing a bad job in Friday the 13th. No way man. Sry, but that'd be horrible.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i still would like to see a mixture of the best stuff from 80s-present, with some highlights from golden age too. But the emphasis should be taking things modern and all that.

As for man of steel manip it was a nice manip of the guy, but i agree with others he isnt a good actor.

[NotFadeAway]

I would like to see a version of Superman: War of the Superman series turned into a movie, but not with Zod. I don't want to see Zod ever again.

You know, many years ago, while living in my fathers basement, I thought of ideas similiar to the whole New Krypton/War of Superman arc. Too bad I just wasn't in any position to do anything about it.

All my ideas are being used, but its ok, because I'm an idea guy.

[NotFadeAway]

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Steve

lmfao

[nintendo nerd]

I would like to see a version of Superman: War of the Superman series turned into a movie, but not with Zod. I don't want to see Zod ever again.

You know, many years ago, while living in my fathers basement, I thought of ideas similiar to the whole New Krypton/War of Superman arc. Too bad I just wasn't in any position to do anything about it.

All my ideas are being used, but its ok, because I'm an idea guy.

http://www.nicholsoncartoons.com.au/cartoons/new/2007-03-21%20Howard%20arrogant%20says%20poll%20226.jpg

[batman44]

I don't get it, how is NotFadeAway being arrogant?

[NotFadeAway]

I don't get it, how is NotFadeAway being arrogant?

I know, I openly took a shot at myself with the "living in my fathers basement" comment.

In fairness, he has a point. I do have somewhat of an "I know best" attitude. As far as other ideas I've had, Krul is about to do what I've always wanted to do with Green Arrow in my fanboy world, and thats truly make him more of a modern day Robin Hood and play up that part of the mythos. Not just to do with the movie being recently released. And the NBC show The Cape, is the universe kidding me. I've been working on creating my own superhero character for a writing class I'm in, taking The Count of Monte Cristo in the same manner that Green Arrow takes Robin Hood and moderinizing it with a super powered element, and then NBC gets the bright idea to make a show about a wrongfully framed man believed dead but really a vigilante. Screw you fate, screw you.

[Daybreak_st]

I would prefer All-Star Superman over Golden Age Kal-L. It still has a lot of the "over the top" ideas, but in a more "wink-wink/nudge-nudge" way.

And I would take Loeb over Johns any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. That guy has got Donner-vision, and the new movies do NOT need that....

Johns did an amazing job on his brainiac arc, had nothing to do with anything established by donner. Just good writing and good art. Same with Legion of Super-heroes arc and even some elements of Secret Origin, especially john corben/metallo and his connection to luthor/lane, solid stuff. Personally i think Birthright is the closest thing to a modern update to the origin of superman that has been published so far, it also brings back the Gold age superman's tough attitude which was great. At the same time it shows all sides of his personality, solid superman, mild clark in metropolis, and outgoing clark in smallville, perfect formula for the movie clark i think. makes him feel more well rounded. Loeb is pretty good, but i definetly see him prefering the "big farmboy" verision of young clark which i don't think serves superman well especially in this modern day, it seems very dated. You need a modern interpretation of clark that people can cheer for and relate to.

[Daybreak_st]

I know, I openly took a shot at myself with the "living in my fathers basement" comment.

In fairness, he has a point. I do have somewhat of an "I know best" attitude. As far as other ideas I've had, Krul is about to do what I've always wanted to do with Green Arrow in my fanboy world, and thats truly make him more of a modern day Robin Hood and play up that part of the mythos. Not just to do with the movie being recently released. And the NBC show The Cape, is the universe kidding me. I've been working on creating my own superhero character for a writing class I'm in, taking The Count of Monte Cristo in the same manner that Green Arrow takes Robin Hood and moderinizing it with a super powered element, and then NBC gets the bright idea to make a show about a wrongfully framed man believed dead but really a vigilante. Screw you fate, screw you.

You do realize that no-one has powers in the Cape right? Just costumes. If you're idea involves the use of Super-powers then it's already significantly different. You should keep developing it. The Cape will be canceled within a year probably (i hope not but you know how these things go), and time slot will be open for your show :yay:

[Timstuff]

Here's my Cavill manipainting separate from the Justice League.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2iw7vhy.jpg

[Daybreak_st]

Here's my Cavill manipainting separate from the Justice League.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2iw7vhy.jpg

Before people start complaining that "this thread is useless" "just use the Reeve suit" etc etc, i will say, nice job on this manip. It looks good. :yay:

[Webhead2006]

i cant wait to see how they form the character this time around.

[kalelkilla]

I hate to say it, but Tom Welling is looking better and better as a choice.

[Abraham]

I hate to say it, but Tom Welling is looking better and better as a choice.

He cant act, has no screen presence, and connects the film automatically to a completely separate continuity... and if they're gonna do that I'd rather they bring back Routh - a better actor who looks more like Superman. Or hey, you could cast a new actor like say:

Matthew Bomer

Henry Cavill

[louiebling$]

I hate to say it, but Tom Welling is looking better and better as a choice.
I think if welling w as Cast I think this whole Board would go into a frenzy lol


Unlike a lot I like Tom

[GreenKToo]

I like both routh and welling alright as well, but if I had a million dollars to bet, I wouldnt be a bit afraid to bet it all that neither gets cast as Supes.

[NotFadeAway]

You do realize that no-one has powers in the Cape right? Just costumes. If you're idea involves the use of Super-powers then it's already significantly different. You should keep developing it. The Cape will be canceled within a year probably (i hope not but you know how these things go), and time slot will be open for your show :yay:

I did some research on The Cape, and as you said, it's different. I was just taken back by the whole ordeal for a moment.

I fully plan on continuing to develop my character. I've toyed with the idea of trying to create my own superhero/comic book/fantasy story for quite awhile, but everything is starting to click.

I'm along ways away from television, as I'm still creating a supporting cast, but you never know:yay:

[kalelkilla]

I don't think either Welling or Routh should or will be cast, but I haven't really been convinced that any other actor would be better than those two, especially on these boards.

[Ring Deacon]

I have a feeling that the man cast as Superman is going to be either the last person you will expect and everyone will complain about it till the see him in costume, or it will be a complete unknown actor that will look like he just walked out of the comic book and into real life.

[B]

I'm in some ways beyond caring, I just want someone cast already so I can start judging him..

[Webhead2006]

yea i just wish we were already in the casting stage. so we can see how things would shape up cast wise and finally know for sure what the heck they are going for and want for the characters.

[NotFadeAway]

While I'm not supporting this notion, and I'm risking attack from highy and mighty no it alls who call me mis-informed, I can't help but think that we can't rule out Welling as Superman, along with Durance, Rosenbaum(maybe), Michael McKean, etc. A Smallville movie.

Smallville is ending next year. WB has to get a movie out by 2013 I believe. Some people in the general audience already view Welling as Superman, not Routh. He really does have a great LOOK. WB could possibly throw up there hands and say screw it, lets just use these guy and get this movie made.

[nintendo nerd]

While I'm not supporting this notion, and I'm risking attack from highy and mighty no it alls who call me mis-informed, I can't help but think that we can't rule out Welling as Superman, along with Durance, Rosenbaum(maybe), Michael McKean, etc. A Smallville movie.

Smallville is ending next year. WB has to get a movie out by 2013 I believe. Some people in the general audience already view Welling as Superman, not Routh. He really does have a great LOOK. WB could possibly throw up there hands and say screw it, lets just use these guy and get this movie made.

http://misiongeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lol.jpg

[GreenKToo]

I Honestly dont know..I do feel that Nolan will have a BIG say so in who gets cast and who doesnt..It depends on him and how he feels.

[Ring Deacon]

Well you know. There is the deadline before the rights revert back to the creators family. I think using some if not all of Smallville's cast may be the way to go. It will save time in casting new people and most people already see Welling as Superman. Nolan being in charge of the project may be true, but the WB may just want to move forward and get this rolling after the first of the year. The safe bet would be to just take Tom and Erica over to the movie. As long as the script is good and the effects team is top notch, the movie will do fine.

[Man of Tomorrow]

We need a fanfiction section for this Tom Welling as Superman nonsense.


As long as Nolan and co are in charge, you can be certain the Superman reboot will NOT be based on low-key CW drama.

Heck, there's already a script in play with Goyer/Nolan drawing basis from 'The Man of Steel' comics, this project isnt a means to continue "Smallville"

This isn't 2003. Any interest by WB to have SV/Welling on the big screen has been dead since then.

[Webhead2006]

yea when you are looking at the timeline of things. Using some of the smallville guys would be a good move cause you already have cast set to go and all that. Dont have to spend what could be 3-7 months castin and all that. But as much as i would love to see welling as superman on big screen. I still think it would be best for all new cast, so we can make it be a clean and total restart with fresh story, look, feel, and cast. So this film can be on its own two feet and all.

[Man of Tomorrow]

There really isn't a race against the clock. It's 2010 now. As long as development starts next year, 2013 is very possible. Even winter 2012 is possible.

They don't have to resort to the low of bringing in the Smallville cast.

[Webhead2006]

oh i know that, i was just pointing out it would same some time. But yea we dont really know how far along development is, and if we can get casting by this fall, and shooting by late spring/early summer next yr we are all good.

[NotFadeAway]

yea when you are looking at the timeline of things. Using some of the smallville guys would be a good move cause you already have cast set to go and all that. Dont have to spend what could be 3-7 months castin and all that. But as much as i would love to see welling as superman on big screen. I still think it would be best for all new cast, so we can make it be a clean and total restart with fresh story, look, feel, and cast. So this film can be on its own two feet and all.

Agreed 100%

I just want Superman to start over so badly, the character really needs to be re-introduced properly to the 21st century. Smallville has really dropped the ball as a whole, and even if it was some awesome, moving piece of work, it would still be on the CW. Superman Returns, well, lol-erz at that.

[FilmNerdJamie]

I love how people claim you can't use anyone from Superman Returns for The Man of Steel because of the association with Donner/Singer. But then turn around and say with a straight face, they could do it with the Smallville cast though.

So, so stupid.

[NotFadeAway]

I love how people claim you can't use anyone from Superman Returns for The Man of Steel because of the association with Donner/Singer. But then turn around and say with a straight face, they could do it with the Smallville cast though.

So, so stupid.

In a perfect world, a world that is fair and just, neither set of actors from either show would be on the big screen.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Warner Brothers and Legendary Pictures are going to spend $200 million+ on the Smallville: the Movie? Not knocking the show or its fans, but get real, people.

[NotFadeAway]

Warner Brothers and Legendary Pictures are going to spend $200 million+ on the Smallville: the Movie? Not knocking the show or its fans, but get real, people.

This has nothing to do with casting.

I don't think there going to drop that much money this time around, and I think it would be stupid if they did. I'm not saying they should be cheap, but I've seen films with excellent graphics, effects, action scenes, visuals, etc that look great on chump change compared to $200 million. I point to Serenity, made for $48. Star Trek Nemesis back in 2002, crap movie storywise, but looked great on $60 million.

If I were in charge of the Superman reboot, I wouldn't spend more than $115-125 million. Thats at most. Focus on re-introducing the character and creating great word of mouth among the general audience and the geeker world alike instead of trying to make back a $250 million dollar budget. That sets you up for the mega-sequel that will follow.

Of course, I think this should be an origin story that focuses more on the character of Superman/Clark Kent and the people in his life, with some kick ass action scenes against Braniac or Eradicator thrown in. Not to reference another Star Trek movie, but it's the approach Wrath of Khan took. That was a character movie made on a television budget. The characters and the story were the heart and soul of that film, with two great extended action/adventure scenes with the space battles. Take a similiar approach here. Thats why I want the sole villian in the film to be of Kryptonian origin, it would help the story flow as a character film and would privde the chance at a couple awesome fight scenes.

[GreenKToo]

Just my opinion but his ( welling ) chance passed by in 04 with McG then Singer.
No, I cant see either routh or welling in it. It doesnt matter how much some like routh and want him for the reboot, it just would not be a TRUE reboot with him in it.

And try as they may to counter it, if welling were cast, folks would be saying its just SV the movie, even if it really wasnt.
Not picking on either, because I like both, thats just the way I see it.

[Showtime]

While I'm not supporting this notion, and I'm risking attack from highy and mighty no it alls who call me mis-informed, I can't help but think that we can't rule out Welling as Superman, along with Durance, Rosenbaum(maybe), Michael McKean, etc. A Smallville movie.

Smallville is ending next year. WB has to get a movie out by 2013 I believe. Some people in the general audience already view Welling as Superman, not Routh. He really does have a great LOOK. WB could possibly throw up there hands and say screw it, lets just use these guy and get this movie made.

Well you know. There is the deadline before the rights revert back to the creators family. I think using some if not all of Smallville's cast may be the way to go. It will save time in casting new people and most people already see Welling as Superman. Nolan being in charge of the project may be true, but the WB may just want to move forward and get this rolling after the first of the year. The safe bet would be to just take Tom and Erica over to the movie. As long as the script is good and the effects team is top notch, the movie will do fine.

I hate to say it, but Tom Welling is looking better and better as a choice.

That is not going to happen. You really think they would bring somebody the caliber of Christopher Nolan and his brother Jonah to make Smallville The Movie?

Has King Jackass been passing around the Cherry Flavored Unrealistic Kool-Aid again?

You're all out.

[FilmNerdJamie]

This has nothing to do with casting.

I don't think there going to drop that much money this time around, and I think it would be stupid if they did. I'm not saying they should be cheap, but I've seen films with excellent graphics, effects, action scenes, visuals, etc that look great on chump change compared to $200 million. I point to Serenity, made for $48. Star Trek Nemesis back in 2002, crap movie storywise, but looked great on $60 million.

If I were in charge of the Superman reboot, I wouldn't spend more than $115-125 million. Thats at most. Focus on re-introducing the character and creating great word of mouth among the general audience and the geeker world alike instead of trying to make back a $250 million dollar budget. That sets you up for the mega-sequel that will follow.

Of course, I think this should be an origin story that focuses more on the character of Superman/Clark Kent and the people in his life, with some kick ass action scenes against Braniac or Eradicator thrown in. Not to reference another Star Trek movie, but it's the approach Wrath of Khan took. That was a character movie made on a television budget. The characters and the story were the heart and soul of that film, with two great extended action/adventure scenes with the space battles. Take a similiar approach here. Thats why I want the sole villian in the film to be of Kryptonian origin, it would help the story flow as a character film and would privde the chance at a couple awesome fight scenes.

It has all to do with casting. They're not going to spend a fortune (which a character like Superman is insanely-costly with figuring out the powers, designing the suit, doing tests for all his powers, building all those sets, etc.) just to throw in the Smallville cast.

Notice how Tim Burton & Co. never even considered the Lois & Clark cast for Superman Lives? Even though that was nearing the end of its run by then. There's a reason. Film and television are two separate things altogether - especially with something like the Superman franchise.

[Showtime]

It has all to do with casting. They're not going to spend a fortune (which a character like Superman is insanely-costly with figuring out the powers, designing the suit, doing tests for all his powers, building all those sets, etc.) just to throw in the Smallville cast.

Notice how Tim Burton & Co. never even considered the Lois & Clark cast for Superman Lives? Even though that was nearing the end of its run by then. There's a reason. Film and television are two separate things altogether - especially with something like the Superman franchise.

That's correct.

At this point they are not going to weaken their tv series in order to "help" their film division. If they were going that route. They would bring in a small time director on a low budget. Not the Nolans and Goyer.

[louiebling$]

Hey Show and Jaime... have you guys heard any rumors at all as far as casting goes for Supes?

[NotFadeAway]

It has all to do with casting. They're not going to spend a fortune (which a character like Superman is insanely-costly with figuring out the powers, designing the suit, doing tests for all his powers, building all those sets, etc.) just to throw in the Smallville cast.

Notice how Tim Burton & Co. never even considered the Lois & Clark cast for Superman Lives? Even though that was nearing the end of its run by then. There's a reason. Film and television are two separate things altogether - especially with something like the Superman franchise.

I was moving past the Smallville talk in that post. I'm through with that conversation already. All I was trying to say was that it couldn't be 100% ruled out. Who knows what could happen with Goyer and Nolan between now and say, May 2011. Notice, I did support the idea in the slightest nor do I think it will happen. Just saying saying it couldn't be ruled out if something happens and 2013 is right around the corner in, say, May 2011. Hell, Brandon Routh could still be brought back as well. Either way, eek.

Ok, NOW I'm done with this. Moving on. I've stated over and over my beliefs about what direction the film should take. Straight origin, fresh cast, etc.

[FilmNerdJamie]

I was moving past the Smallville talk in that post. I'm through with that conversation already. All I was trying to say was that it couldn't be 100% ruled out. Who knows what could happen with Goyer and Nolan between now and say, May 2011. Notice, I did support the idea in the slightest nor do I think it will happen. Just saying saying it couldn't be ruled out if something happens and 2013 is right around the corner in, say, May 2011. Hell, Brandon Routh could still be brought back as well. Either way, eek.

Ok, NOW I'm done with this. Moving on.

You brought up using the Smallville cast knowing exactly where the conversation would go. That doesn't mean you can "move past the Smallville talk" when it's something that doesn't gel with what you want to hear. It's never going to happen.

Ok, NOW I'm done with this. Moving on.

[HighFivingMF]

I doubt anybody will agree with me on Clark, in fact I'm sure of it.:

Clark Kent/Superman
http://www.nndb.com/people/943/000022877/matt-damon-sm.jpg

Lex Luthor
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/stone/billyzane.jpg

[NotFadeAway]

You brought up using the Smallville cast knowing exactly where the conversation would go. That doesn't mean you can "move past the Smallville talk" when it's something that doesn't gel with what you want to hear. It's never going to happen.

Ok, NOW I'm done with this. Moving on.

You know, your right. I should have kept that one to myself.

[Showtime]

I was moving past the Smallville talk in that post. I'm through with that conversation already. All I was trying to say was that it couldn't be 100% ruled out. Who knows what could happen with Goyer and Nolan between now and say, May 2011. Notice, I did support the idea in the slightest nor do I think it will happen. Just saying saying it couldn't be ruled out if something happens and 2013 is right around the corner in, say, May 2011. Hell, Brandon Routh could still be brought back as well. Either way, eek.

Ok, NOW I'm done with this. Moving on. I've stated over and over my beliefs about what direction the film should take. Straight origin, fresh cast, etc.

I am not sure if you know this, but our old friend King Jackass (AKA Steve AKA Archangel) thought the same way on Saturday as you did 3 posts ago, now he feels different today just like you now do...

This is Saturday...

Originally Posted by King Jackass

Don't be too upset about Smallville's tv run coming to an end. With the success of Sex and the City and the upcoming 24 film (which 2 are in the works already), it looks like they may plan to join the trend.

From what I heard through multiple people, the rumored Smallville movie was never announced because the show wasn't cancelled. Now, with CW and Welling confirming this will be the last season, the idea has been put back on the table. What does it mean? It means if we actually see Welling in costume it will be a one shot deal on the big screen and not in season 11. In addition, I've been told that Geoff Johns was asked to come up with the story. Keep in mind, this is not set in stone but it is actively being discussed.

In other Superman rumor news, It would seem Nolan being a "mentor"/producer of the next Superman franchise is to make sure it DOES NOT cross into his Batman world. Some had hoped he was getting involved to figure out a way to join the two, leading to a JLA film but the reverse seems to be the case. I personally think this sucks and is a major bad move on WB's part unless they really plan to end Nolan's franchise at #3 and reboot after the new Superman gets going.

What say all of you?

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/3...06849&folder=0 (http://www.countingdown.com/movies/320838/board?viewpost=4106849&folder=0)



This is today...

Originally Posted by King Jackass

Won't happen. He was thanked along with Singer and everyone else involved but Horn called it closure and plans a new beginning much like Batman got. From what I know, it will be a complete unknown taking over and the budget is going to be very modest around $150 to $170mil. I want Welling to do it, but even that won't be happening. My faith that it will be done right isn't very high.

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/3...06989&folder=0 (http://www.countingdown.com/movies/3893391/board?viewpost=4106989&folder=0)


Wow...:dry:

I remember my first beer...

[NotFadeAway]

I am not sure if you know this, but our old friend King Jackass (AKA Steve AKA Archangel) thought the same way on Saturday as you did 3 posts ago, now he feels different today just like you now do...

This is Saturday...



This is today...



Wow...:dry:

I remember my first beer...

I'm more of a vodka guy:cwink:

I really wish I had not even said a word, it was just a thought. All I was trying to say was I didn't think it could be 100% ruled out.

I in know way, shape, or form WANT or SUPPORT a Smallville movie. Look at past posts, I'm a dual critic of both Returns and Smallville and a dual critic of both Routh and Welling (and Dean Cain), although I do think Welling has a great look for the character. The difference is that with Returns, I have feelings of flat out hatred. For Smallville, it's a depressing disappointment.

But I do stand by my comment that the budget should only be $115-$125 million. $150 million is too much. And I don't want unknowns, but I don't want gossip magazine faces either. Actors that have familiarity with some of the general audience because they have actually been working, and that fit the parts.

[kalelkilla]

I know there is no way Welling is going to get cast, all I was saying that I have not been convinced that someone else would be a better Superman, not on these boards anyway. Everyone take a deep breath and relax geez.

[Showtime]

I'm more of a vodka guy:cwink:

I really wish I had not even said a word, it was just a thought. All I was trying to say was I didn't think it could be 100% ruled out.

I in know way, shape, or form WANT or SUPPORT a Smallville movie. Look at past posts, I'm a dual critic of both Returns and Smallville and a dual critic of both Routh and Welling (and Dean Cain), although I do think Welling has a great look for the character. The difference is that with Returns, I have feelings of flat out hatred. For Smallville, it's a depressing disappointment.

But I do stand by my comment that the budget should only be $115-$125 million. $150 million is too much. And I don't want unknowns, but I don't want gossip magazine faces either. Actors that have familiarity with some of the general audience because they have actually been working, and that fit the parts.

There is no way you can make a worthwhile Superman movie for the budget you are proposing.

I know there is no way Welling is going to get cast, all I was saying that I have not been convinced that someone else would be a better Superman, not on these boards anyway. Everyone take a deep breath and relax geez.

I don't think anybody was doing anything more than relaxing. I wouldn't worry too much about the actors people are posting on these boards, there is always a possibility it ends up being somebody that hasn't been mentioned yet.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The next Superman movie's budget is probably going to be 200+mil. That seems to be the price tag for big blockbusters now or days.

[B]

Realistically I think your talking about a budget that would be in a similar region to Iron Man 2, $200m give or take..

However at the bare minimum I'd expect it would get at least what TDK got which was in the region of $185m..

[NotFadeAway]

[QUOTE=Showtime;18382166]There is no way you can make a worthwhile Superman movie for the budget you are proposing.

QUOTE]

I respectfully disagree. I've seen to many movies and even television shows with a hand me down budget that look great to believe that $200 million is needed.

The character matters more than the effects anyway.

[GreenKToo]

It seems to me that if anything, WB will want the reboot to have alot more action than returns had.
I'm talking epic action and lots of it, not your standard lifting a car here, or saving a plane there type of action either.
And if thats the case, then why would they have a lower budget for the reboot than they had for SR.
I've read nothing that makes me think the budget will be anything less than what SR had. In fact, i'd be shocked if they came out and said its 150 million or less.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yeah only Sony promises stupid s**t like that regarding the Spider-Man reboot. 80million dollars...uh sorry guys I'm still pissed about that.

Anyway, like it or lump it the going budget seems to be 200mil plus for big tentpole films. And like Green just said, this movie will have more/or different kinds of action than Superman Returns, action that will keep the budget in the 200mil range. It would be neat for them if they could spend 115mil but I just don't think that that kind of budget is realistic.

Thats why these movies have to gross uber amounts of money because their budgets are so large. I don't know why the budgets have exploded so much but thats just the way it is.

[GreenKToo]

I know, thats a head scratcher with spidey's budget..The first three films had huge budgets and they all made bank at the BO. Why in the world would they......oh meh, screw it.
I agree with you on the supes reboot. Until I hear otherwise, I think 175 mill or upwards will be its budget.

[Webhead2006]

yea when you are looking at the timeline of things. Using some of the smallville guys would be a good move cause you already have cast set to go and all that. Dont have to spend what could be 3-7 months castin and all that. But as much as i would love to see welling as superman on big screen. I still think it would be best for all new cast, so we can make it be a clean and total restart with fresh story, look, feel, and cast. So this film can be on its own two feet and all.

Agreed 100%

I just want Superman to start over so badly, the character really needs to be re-introduced properly to the 21st century. Smallville has really dropped the ball as a whole, and even if it was some awesome, moving piece of work, it would still be on the CW. Superman Returns, well, lol-erz at that.
Totally i want a modern, clean, fresh story and all that. As for sv sure it had done some stupid things in its run. But it also has done some good things too. So overall i think the show has been good.

Yea budgets are getting crazy these days for some big films and all that. it would be nice if they went with a smaller budget, confine what they want. spend money wisely. So then they can hopefully make a better profit. Then spending 200+ mill and needed to make alot to just even break even.

[NotFadeAway]

It seems to me that if anything, WB will want the reboot to have alot more action than returns had.
I'm talking epic action and lots of it, not your standard lifting a car here, or saving a plane there type of action either.
And if thats the case, then why would they have a lower budget for the reboot than they had for SR.
I've read nothing that makes me think the budget will be anything less than what SR had. In fact, i'd be shocked if they came out and said its 150 million or less.

Thats what scares me.

Because some people thought Returns fell flat because of no action instead of seeing the many mistakes it made, we are now going to get some big, popcorn action movie instead a character story to re-introduce Superman. Singer is still bending the franchise over a rail and plowing it.

My biggest worry, with the studio in control, is that the film will be right above a soulless hollywood film. I say it's above that because Goyer and the Nolans are currently helping, but the WB is likely giving them directions. Wouldn't be shocked in Goyer and the Nolans wrote the script so the WB can have something to work off of and then they can bring in whatever puppet douche bag writer/director to adapt it in the mold Warner's wants. Stupid douche bags.

[LL2K2]

As crazy as this has gotten, I just don't know what sources to believe anymore. But I do know one thing: I'll believe something Show and Jamie post anyday over something King Jackass/Archangel does.

Why? Because the two of them know how to report something in a fair and balanced manner, whereas KJ tends to let his intense dislike for SR/Singer/Routh spill over.

[GreenKToo]

Thats what scares me.

Because some people thought Returns fell flat because of no action instead of seeing the man mistakes it made, we are now going to get some big, popcorn action movie instead a character story to re-introduce Superman. Singer is still bending the franchise over a rail and plowing it.

My biggest worry, with the studio in control, is that the film will be some kind of right above, soulless hollywood film. I say it's above that because Goyer and the Nolans are currently helping, but the WB is likely giving them directions. Wouldn't be shocked in Goyer and the Nolans wrote the script so the WB can have something to work off of and then they can bring in whatever puppet douche bag writer/director to adapt it in the mold Warner's wants. Stupid douche bags.
If anybody else was involved with it, I would prolly share your concern, but just look who wrote it and is overseeing it.
I can't predict the future, it may well suck, but if it does, I dont think it will be because of the story.
I'm just kinda neutral right now. When the director is announced and we hear some ideas about what they have in mind, then i'll voice my concerns.

[Man of Tomorrow]

As crazy as this has gotten, I just don't know what sources to believe anymore. But I do know one thing: I'll believe something Show and Jamie post anyday over something King Jackass/Archangel does.

Why? Because the two of them know how to report something in a fair and balanced manner, whereas KJ tends to let his intense dislike for SR/Singer/Routh spill over.


Everything King Jackass and Archangel have stated as fact or rumor has been proved 100% WRONG in the past.

They even tried to put out false information to sites like Moviehole to push their 'Smallville' movie agenda.

It was pretty sad seeing the poor saps who actually fell for their BS.

[GreenKToo]

I'm glad I never went there..what was it that they were mailing to WB again? wasnt it stuffed animals or something?

[Bad Superman]

I'm glad I never went there..what was it that they were mailing to WB again? wasnt it stuffed animals or something?

Did did what???? :huh:

[That-Guy]

I must have missed all of this... I've been on this site for a while and I've never heard of this stuff. Damn, that's some crazy sh**.

[Timstuff]

I must have missed all of this... I've been on this site for a while and I've never heard of this stuff. Damn, that's some crazy sh**.

Same here. WTF. :huh:

[solidsnake86]

This is kind of a last chance effort for WB with superman so I don't see them going stingy with the budget seeing as how they just gave green lantern 200 million. I have no clue where the budget goes to so I don't like throwing out numbers saying they can make a film for x amount of dollars. I mean the dark knight had a budget of 185, just because you couldnt really tell doesnt mean there wasn't a lot of CG that went into it. So if batman got that budget, superman is definately going to get it, especially if they want to up the action.

[Showtime]

As crazy as this has gotten, I just don't know what sources to believe anymore. But I do know one thing: I'll believe something Show and Jamie post anyday over something King Jackass/Archangel does.

Why? Because the two of them know how to report something in a fair and balanced manner, whereas KJ tends to let his intense dislike for SR/Singer/Routh spill over.

Goes to show you how wrong, Jamie, myself, and IESB as a whole were. :dry:

Kind of funny that Warner's Chairman & CEO just announced a Winter 2012 release for Superman when IESB broke that like a month or so ago. :o

[Webhead2006]

i really hope they can find the right balance in having a good character driven story, with good acting, and have a good action too in the film.

[LL2K2]

I'm glad I never went there..what was it that they were mailing to WB again? wasnt it stuffed animals or something?

Did did what???? :huh:

Archangel/King Jackass ran a site called SaveSuperman.com and has made contributions to an anti-Singer/SR/Routh blog whose initials are SSS.

Goes to show you how wrong, Jamie, myself, and IESB as a whole were. :dry:

Kind of funny that Warner's Chairman & CEO just announced a Winter 2012 release for Superman when IESB broke that like a month or so ago. :o

Nobody's perfect in journalism - not even Clark Kent and Lois Lane. Of course, there are those who think otherwise...:rolleyes:

[The Batman]

I love how people claim you can't use anyone from Superman Returns for The Man of Steel because of the association with Donner/Singer. But then turn around and say with a straight face, they could do it with the Smallville cast though.

So, so stupid.

I truly believe that SHH! Superman fans have some of the most backwards way of thinking. Its like some are so starved for a Superman movie, they just make up the most ridiculous, dogmatic ideas about anything.

[epc11223]

i'm not defending anyone here, but there really is a difference between advocating for the cast of smallville and the cast of superman returns. from the little information we have of the reboot, we get the impression that superman is going to have a modern take with an established superman and that is not going to have anything to do with the past superman movies. now that really means no kid is in the movie which is what superman returns established.

smallville does have a fan base and those who aren't, it will still seem new. especially for the general audience. now i'm not saying i want the cast of smallville, but its not as backwards thinking as some would suggest. i do think that nolan would want his own cast, but from what i've been reading, he's mostly concerned with superman not interfering with his version of batman.

the smallville cast would also be considerably cheaper compared to well known actors. now again, i am not advocating the smallville cast, sr cast or anyone else, but i can see where some people would think the smallville cast has a chance. tom welling also said that if the fans want it enough, maybe they could do more past season 10, "its up to the fans".

my personal opinion is that they're going for a whole new cast, but with a christmas 2012 release, nothing would really surprise me. but with that said, that's just my opinion and i don't really have any inside information at all. showtime has been right on and awesome when it comes to information, and he's been saying that there's going to be a whole new cast, so i'm going to side with him :yay:

on a side note, i'd really like to thank showtime and the rest of the staff for supplying information to us fans. everything they've been saying has seemed to play out, and i really don't think they've been given the credit that they deserve.

[Showtime]

Archangel/King Jackass ran a site called SaveSuperman.com and has made contributions to an anti-Singer/SR/Routh blog whose initials are SSS.

Nobody's perfect in journalism - not even Clark Kent and Lois Lane. Of course, there are those who think otherwise...:rolleyes:

Nobody is ever perfect. That's correct.

I just find it funny that Steve got all of these people's hopes up on that minor league site he was running. Told them lie after lie...that he was writing a script and that him and the Shuster family were going to make a superman film, that he was going to go to Comic Con and make Singer and company shake in their boots, that Welling was going to play Superman, among others ridiculous fantasies...

Then he goes and turns his back on the people he lied to for months and months and left them hanging so he can post on the worst forums in creation. At the same time Jamie and myself opened our own successful site and now write for an even bigger site that has been breaking news on DC related characters left and right.

I can't help but just shake my head.

Irony. It lies and cowers on technologically challenged forums.

[The Batman]

i'm not defending anyone here, but there really is a difference between advocating for the cast of smallville and the cast of superman returns.


No. There isnt a difference.

from the little information we have of the reboot, we get the impression that superman is going to have a modern take with an established superman and that is not going to have anything to do with the past superman movies. now that really means no kid is in the movie which is what superman returns established.

Which has nothing to do with casting. If using Smallvilles cast is ok for a reboot, then using Superman Returns is ok too.

There isnt a difference. At all.

[epc11223]

No. There isnt a difference.



Which has nothing to do with casting. If using Smallvilles cast is ok for a reboot, then using Superman Returns is ok too.

There isnt a difference. At all.


you're totally missing my point. superman returns had a kid in his movie that they'd be trying to get rid of whereas smallville has a reboot/start already intact. the point of smallville is to end with a new beginning in a modern retelling. smallville you'd have a newly established, modern take on superman that doesnt have the stigma of a kid intact. the kid aspect really hurt the superman returns franchise. again, i'm not advocating smallville and i would go with whatever showtime says, but the fans of smallville want to see it transform into a movie franchise. yes i'm a smallville fan, but i don't see it happening.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

IESB lost a lot of rep value during the first major JL rumors that were getting posted. I always liked Robert and all, but I do remember when I think it was Motown (if I remember right) that sent in a bogus tip by email (purposely not true) to see if it would get posted as news... and it did.


We have all heard our share of stuff that did not pan out, but the difference is where your intentions fall. That is where you are doing the right thing (though Jamie is too arrogant for my taste) Showtime. You gather up info, and seem to be careful in not adding "creative" details. The intentions are there, and it shows :up:

I hope that doesn't count as sucking up, cause that would make me a hypocrite from the other thread :p

[epc11223]

there's a big difference between sucking up and showing appreciation lol. :hehe:

[The Batman]

you're totally missing my point. superman returns had a kid in his movie that they'd be trying to get rid of whereas smallville has a reboot/start already intact. the point of smallville is to end with a new beginning in a modern retelling. smallville you'd have a newly established, modern take on superman that doesnt have the stigma of a kid intact. the kid aspect really hurt the superman returns franchise. again, i'm not advocating smallville and i would go with whatever showtime says, but the fans of smallville want to see it transform into a movie franchise. yes i'm a smallville fan, but i don't see it happening.

I'm not mising your point, your point is irrelevant to the conversation.

I'm not talking about continuity continuation. I'm talking about using the same actors for the film....which will be a reboot. Like I already told you. not a continuation of either Smallville or Superman Returns.

The same people who dont want to see SR actors in a new film somehow think its ok for SV actors to be cast. Which is ridiculous.

And otherwise your point dosent make sense. Smallville is an already established version of Superman. PERIOD. If you use SR continuity, you have the baggage of Donner...if you do SV: The movie, you have the baggage of the TV show. It dosent matter if that baggage is from 1978 compared to 2001-2011, its still BAGGAGE. The only point you have is the kid...who could disappear and have his wherabouts explained in one line.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

SR is over with. SV will be over next season most likely, and many Superman fans do not view it as a "Superman" show. Either one of these don't factor into the equation for a new film. I also HOPE we get completely away from Donner, and have a new franchise that knows how to work old stories with new angles.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

After all of these years we are still talking about a Smallville movie? Jeezum crow. *shoots self*

[epc11223]

fact is, as of right now smallville is not a show about superman. so there is no superman "baggage". superman returns was a continuation of the donner movies and that is what the new creators seem to be trying to stay away from. to say that my points are irrelevant are completely missing the points and the information that we have aside from showtimes information that they are going for a completely new cast. while i have complete faith that he knows what he's talking, there is still a lot of smallville fans who will see the information that we have as some faith for there metropolis movie. from the information that we have they are going for an established superman that does not have any ties to the donner franchise. season 10 is the last season for smallville which could lead to a movie franchise a la star trek, and sex and the city. a modern take on the superman franchise, that is similar to john byrnes version. john byrnes version had clark not acting as nerdy, and somewhat cool, which is similar tom welling's portrayal of clark. tom welling even said in recent interviews that it is up to the fans for the show to go on in some capacity. smallville is also the longest running version of the superman mythology to date, which means it has a fan base. it may seem fresh for a general audience and with nolan producing, he could potentially make it become awesome for the general audience. but with everything that i've just said, if showtime says that it's not happening, then so be it. but there are plenty of people who don't follow what showtime says or aren't privy to his messages as they are on the smallville forums, or don't regularly go to this site or iesb.net. so for those fans, i could see why they may think that smallville will continue on further past season 10. i for one just want to see a new superman movie and if it's the holidays 2012, that may be around my birthday which is around thanksgiving. :woot:

[Timstuff]

Please, stop. You sound like me 6 years ago, only this isn't 6 years ago. Smallville has 9 seasons worth of baggage, and it's not like they can just wave a magic wand and make it all disappear. The show's viewerbase is tiny compared to most popular shows, and there's nothing to build on. There is no good reason to do it at this point in time. It would be a disaster, and they're not going to do this movie just to please what few Smallville fanboys there still are. Losing the hardcore Smallville fanboys is the least of Warner Bros' worries with this film, and at best Nolan may have seen a couple episodes. Making a Smallville movie would be a huge waste and I don't understand why some people are still entertaining the idea of it (and this is coming from someone who was pro-Welling back during the SR casting wars).

[That-Guy]

After all of these years we are still talking about a Smallville movie? Jeezum crow. *shoots self*

Wait! Shoot me first!

[The Batman]

fact is, as of right now smallville is not a show about superman. so there is no superman "baggage". superman returns was a continuation of the donner movies and that is what the new creators seem to be trying to stay away from. to say that my points are irrelevant are completely missing the points and the information that we have aside from showtimes information that they are going for a completely new cast. while i have complete faith that he knows what he's talking, there is still a lot of smallville fans who will see the information that we have as some faith for there metropolis movie. from the information that we have they are going for an established superman that does not have any ties to the donner franchise. season 10 is the last season for smallville which could lead to a movie franchise a la star trek, and sex and the city. a modern take on the superman franchise, that is similar to john byrnes version. john byrnes version had clark not acting as nerdy, and somewhat cool, which is similar tom welling's portrayal of clark. tom welling even said in recent interviews that it is up to the fans for the show to go on in some capacity. smallville is also the longest running version of the superman mythology to date, which means it has a fan base. it may seem fresh for a general audience and with nolan producing, he could potentially make it become awesome for the general audience. but with everything that i've just said, if showtime says that it's not happening, then so be it. but there are plenty of people who don't follow what showtime says or aren't privy to his messages as they are on the smallville forums, or don't regularly go to this site or iesb.net. so for those fans, i could see why they may think that smallville will continue on further past season 10. i for one just want to see a new superman movie and if it's the holidays 2012, that may be around my birthday which is around thanksgiving. :woot:

Lol....If you honestly cant see that SV is just as bad to use for a reboot than Sr, then i no longer have the time or patience to explain. SV fans could think what they want...they're still wrong if they think SV isnt in the same boat as SR...I'm just glad WB feels the same way I do, which is that both versions obviously have baggage and are both old news

[epc11223]

After everything that's gone on with the law suit and wb wanting to get a movie in a certain amount of time anything is really possible. I just want to say that I want a new cast but can see what fans of smallville are thinking. I'm just hoping for a great season 10 and then a new superman franchise a la batman.

[epc11223]

I'm a superman fan so I'd go see smallville movie or a sequel to sr too. To me it doesn't matter as long as it's superman. But I'd like to ask this. Other than showtime, is there really any proof that they wouldn't use the cast of smallville? You can't say baggage bc the end of smallville was always meant to be the beginning and smallville was never connected to the dinner universe which is what the wb is trying to get away from. Again to me it doesn't matter as long as it's superman!

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Wait! Shoot me first!:hehe:

After everything that's gone on with the law suit and wb wanting to get a movie in a certain amount of time anything is really possible. I just want to say that I want a new cast but can see what fans of smallville are thinking. I'm just hoping for a great season 10 and then a new superman franchise a la batman.Smallville the movie ain't happening.:awesome:

It's not a "who knows?" situation, a Smallville movie has no chance of happening.

[Timstuff]

"Smallville the Movie" is in the same folder as "Superman Returns 2: Return Harder." It's called "Not Happening, ever."

[Kokomo29]

I know that this is off-topic (...kinda?), but I thought I would share my casting choice for the upcoming movie. Now, I have thought long and hard about this and thought about several different actors and I think I have decided who my choice is to fill the boots of The Man of Steel.

I decided to look at up-and-coming actors and evaluate each and see which I could see going more "mainstream" in the future. I also looked at those that auditioned or were in the running for CAPTAIN AMERICA, and I think I have made my choice:

Garrett Hedlund

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I think he has the look, the charm and the chops to possibly become our next SUPERMAN :super:

Just an idea :yay:

[Showtime]

I'm a superman fan so I'd go see smallville movie or a sequel to sr too. To me it doesn't matter as long as it's superman. But I'd like to ask this. Other than showtime, is there really any proof that they wouldn't use the cast of smallville? You can't say baggage bc the end of smallville was always meant to be the beginning and smallville was never connected to the dinner universe which is what the wb is trying to get away from. Again to me it doesn't matter as long as it's superman!

I know you said "other than Showtime" but really? They are not going to make Smallville The Movie nor are they going to use the Smallville cast. It has nothing to do with me not liking the show (Watched Every Season Since Season 1) or loving Routh (I Don't). It just is not happening.

Think about it logically and take the Durance colored glasses off just for one second. Why would they bring it big players like Christopher Nolan, Jonah Nolan, and David Goyer, and drop big money on these guys...if they were doing Smallville The Movie?

[Showtime]

IESB lost a lot of rep value during the first major JL rumors that were getting posted. I always liked Robert and all, but I do remember when I think it was Motown (if I remember right) that sent in a bogus tip by email (purposely not true) to see if it would get posted as news... and it did.

That is 100% correct, but that was then and this is now. 3 years later we're looking at a different IESB. :cwink:


]We have all heard our share of stuff that did not pan out, but the difference is where your intentions fall. That is where you are doing the right thing (though Jamie is too arrogant for my taste) Showtime. You gather up info, and seem to be careful in not adding "creative" details. The intentions are there, and it shows :up:

I hope that doesn't count as sucking up, cause that would make me a hypocrite from the other thread :pI appreciate the kind words.

I do keep telling Jamie he has a big head. :awesome:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's funny, almost all of the posters on IESB do nothing but complain about how grumpy Jamie is.

Whenever he bashes the Transformers movies he just doesn't know how to have fun.

He criticised IM2 (and is so f**king right about that movie and the first one that it hurts) and was B**ched at.

This board would be so boring without him. I'm not defending him really because there is nothing to defend. I just sympathize with him because I've also been labled a grumpy complainer who doesn't know how to have fun because I don't love everything hollywood throws my way.

Yes, I've just come to a realization. I semi defend Jamie alot of the time because it's almost like defending myself...only, I hated Superman Returns.:oldrazz:

Back on Topic:

I'm so eh on Garrett Hedlund. I don't hate him but I don't get the fanboy love.

[MAN O STEEL]

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[Ultimate_Superman]

i'm not defending anyone here, but there really is a difference between advocating for the cast of smallville and the cast of superman returns. from the little information we have of the reboot, we get the impression that superman is going to have a modern take with an established superman and that is not going to have anything to do with the past superman movies. now that really means no kid is in the movie which is what superman returns established.

smallville does have a fan base and those who aren't, it will still seem new. especially for the general audience. now i'm not saying i want the cast of smallville, but its not as backwards thinking as some would suggest. i do think that nolan would want his own cast, but from what i've been reading, he's mostly concerned with superman not interfering with his version of batman.

the smallville cast would also be considerably cheaper compared to well known actors. now again, i am not advocating the smallville cast, sr cast or anyone else, but i can see where some people would think the smallville cast has a chance. tom welling also said that if the fans want it enough, maybe they could do more past season 10, "its up to the fans".

my personal opinion is that they're going for a whole new cast, but with a christmas 2012 release, nothing would really surprise me. but with that said, that's just my opinion and i don't really have any inside information at all. showtime has been right on and awesome when it comes to information, and he's been saying that there's going to be a whole new cast, so i'm going to side with him :yay:

on a side note, i'd really like to thank showtime and the rest of the staff for supplying information to us fans. everything they've been saying has seemed to play out, and i really don't think they've been given the credit that they deserve.
You do understand that Smallville is viewed in the same light as Superman Returns right?

[MAN O STEEL]

You do understand that Smallville is viewed in the same light as Superman Returns right?


Wrong. if that were a fact, then Smallville wouldn't have lasted 4 Seasons past SR release. Facts remain, there is enough of a fan base that it has kept going until now. The show, for better or worse has brought in many Villians & storylines that SR & every other live action incarnation outside of L&C were to pussy to even attempt. We have alot to be thankful for with Smallville. They've given us a glimpse at how certain Villians could be done, if ever a Live action movie wished to attempt it. It's also been unlike any other incarnation, which for better or worse is atleast different & fresh. What did SR give us?. a rehash of an already made 30 year old movie. So unless your ignorant & blind then you'll see there not viewed in the same light at all, nor should they be. peace





Steve

[epc11223]

ok i really didn't think this topic would last this long on something so little that i said. showtime, i never said that you disliked smallville and loved superman returns, i just said that you were privy to information so you knew what you were talking about. i never said that smallville was definitely going to be the new official cast of the new movie. i simply said that they had more of a chance than the cast of superman returns and that with next season ending it could potentially follow into a movie like other shows to television have done in the past. as of now we really don't know the budget and i know with the lawsuit happening, couldn't it at the smallest chance be to get something that has been going on for ten seasons? i mean everyone is saying "no chance" this "never going to happen" that, but who ever thought smallville would last ten seasons? now there's the argument that its on cw and would never have lasted this long on another network, but we don't live in a world of ifs and buts, and if it was on another network different people would have worked on it and it could have had ratings like lost for all we know. now i understand that we aren't on the smallville boards, but i don't think that it's fair to lamb bast anyone who may suggest that. yes, showtime and others have inside information, so they would know, but for those who aren't on these boards, they may or may not think that smallville would be the next cast. especially from the little facts that we do know. again, i never once said smallville was a shoe in, but there are so many variables in this. also, who says that smallville is in the same boat? what executives have we talked to where we know there thoughts and opinions? what fans other than this board have we talked to?

i would think the general audience doesn't even care, as long as they get action, special effects, and maybe a little comedy. again, i never thought this topic would last this long and be so broken down. also, i never even said that they would make a great cast, however much i do enjoy smallville, but to have durance colored glasses? i mean come on, that's not right. i can't believe some people would shut out an idea based on the little that we know. eh, i think people are being harsh but it's all good i guess. like i've always said, i'm just happy to be getting a new superman movie!! we should all just be grateful instead of debating

[Ultimate_Superman]

Wrong. if that were a fact, then Smallville wouldn't have lasted 4 Seasons past SR release. Facts remain, there is enough of a fan base that it has kept going until now. The show, for better or worse has brought in many Villians & storylines that SR & every other live action incarnation outside of L&C were to pussy to even attempt. We have alot to be thankful for with Smallville. They've given us a glimpse at how certain Villians could be done, if ever a Live action movie wished to attempt it. It's also been unlike any other incarnation, which for better or worse is atleast different & fresh. What did SR give us?. a rehash of an already made 30 year old movie. So unless your ignorant & blind then you'll see there not viewed in the same light at all, nor should they be. peace





Steve
No Smallville lasted so long because it is a TV show and not a big budget movie. Less is expected from SV but from a fans stand point if you look at forums SV is held in the same regards as Superman Returns where the fan base is split. Look at Superman Returns that movie was getting a sequel (despite the fans reaction to it) and should have been out by now had Singer not turned a small project like Valkyrie into a big budget film. It was only when Singer kept the WB out of the loop for so long as well as turing Vlakyire into the big budget film did things go sour. I am a huge fan of the show Smallvile (not so much of its fans but the show yes) but even so the show is and has been since Season 3 held in the same light as Superman Returns.

[GreenKToo]

IESB lost a lot of rep value during the first major JL rumors that were getting posted. I always liked Robert and all, but I do remember when I think it was Motown (if I remember right) that sent in a bogus tip by email (purposely not true) to see if it would get posted as news... and it did.


We have all heard our share of stuff that did not pan out, but the difference is where your intentions fall. That is where you are doing the right thing (though Jamie is too arrogant for my taste) Showtime. You gather up info, and seem to be careful in not adding "creative" details. The intentions are there, and it shows :up:

I hope that doesn't count as sucking up, cause that would make me a hypocrite from the other thread :p
I like Jamie..He's my kinda a$$hol$....:woot:
nuttin but luv man, nuttin but luv.:awesome:

[GreenKToo]

After all of these years we are still talking about a Smallville movie? Jeezum crow. *shoots self*

Wait! Shoot me first!
Sig worthy.....:awesome:

[Man of Tomorrow]

Wrong. if that were a fact, then Smallville wouldn't have lasted 4 Seasons past SR release. Facts remain, there is enough of a fan base that it has kept going until now. The show, for better or worse has brought in many Villians & storylines that SR & every other live action incarnation outside of L&C were to pussy to even attempt. We have alot to be thankful for with Smallville. They've given us a glimpse at how certain Villians could be done, if ever a Live action movie wished to attempt it. It's also been unlike any other incarnation, which for better or worse is atleast different & fresh. What did SR give us?. a rehash of an already made 30 year old movie. So unless your ignorant & blind then you'll see there not viewed in the same light at all, nor should they be. peace





Steve





It's all basically Apples and Oranges. The two franchaises are way too different to compare.


Smallville pretty much made it's own new fanbase within the CW viewers/romance shippers, separate from the \S/ fanbase. It does have a regular 2 million group of devoted loyal fans, keeping it alive on fridays, and yes that includes the psycho Chloe fans.


Superman Returns left the Superman fans divided, got high critical praise but wasn't the big action adventure that summer blockbuster audiences needed.


Smallville is a decent approach for the network it's on and what it is. The show's longevity is very relative to the network it's on.

Superman Returns was the wrong approach to something as huge as the Superman film franchaise.

[Ring Deacon]

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:wow:AWESOME!

I would pay to see a Smallville movie even if they go the DVD route with it. Tom has earned the right to be Superman, for more then just a last image on the TV show.

If you say a TV show cast can't do a big budget movie you are wrong. You just need to look at Star Trek TOS and Star Trek TNG to see that TV actors can be movie stars. Hell even look at Sex in the City if you have to. To say no one would pay to see Smallville transition to the big screen is way off. With the right budget and right script anything can happen.

[Dark Raven]

For some reason, Tom Welling in a Superman suits always looks like precisely that: Tom Welling in a Superman suit. Maybe it's his hairstyle... I dunno. He doesn't quite look like Superman to me.

[DarkKnight FTW]

If you were the head of a major studio, and you had a tv series based on a major property that had been rumored to be getting cancelled several times because of low ratings. Would you take the cast and make a major motion picture on it? Just Sayin'.

p.s. And don't give me Star Trek because Star Trek was way more popular than Smallville. And if you're a guy using Sex in the City as an example, first of all the quality of writing on HBO is infinitely better than the CW, and second...where's your balls?! Only Fox would do something like this with the highly overrated Joss Whedon.

[epc11223]

If you were the head of a major studio, and you had a tv series based on a major property that had been rumored to be getting cancelled several times because of low ratings. Would you take the cast and make a major motion picture on it? Just Sayin'.

p.s. And don't give me Star Trek because Star Trek was way more popular than Smallville. And if you're a guy using Sex in the City as an example, first of all the quality of writing on HBO is infinitely better than the CW, and second...where's your balls?! Only Fox would do something like this with the highly overrated Joss Whedon.


but if you're going with the hbo cw logic, you could also say that the ratings could have been better on a different network. also with the writing better, you could say that the cast could still potentially do a better job. the cw is not known for having better ratings than the big networks, so we'll never truly know how much better or worse it could have been on a different network. plus who's to say that the writing on hbo is that much better? if you're a guy, you're not really going to watch sex and the city whether its good writing or not. sex and the city has more of a fan base with women than men, whereas smallville is more tailored for teens and men. teens for the most part go out on a fri night, but smallville was moved to fridays because they know the fan base they do have would follow. this season smallville had strong ratings in the beginning of the season but fell off a bit, but that may have been due to being preempted for baseball games in ny and not knowing it was moved to saturdays. there are so many variables when talking about this, but i cant believe some people would think that it has absolutely no chance of being made to a movie. especially with wanting to get a movie off the ground quickly. 2012 is not so far off. i just hope the new movie gets as much praise as batman has in the past. it'd be nice for superman to take back his rightful place as the number 1 superhero. i'm sick and tired of seeing spider-man and iron man as people's favorite superhero. i mean, everyone has a right to their opinion, but it'd be nice for my favorite to be number 1 :o)

[DarkKnight FTW]

but if you're going with the hbo cw logic, you could also say that the ratings could have been better on a different network. also with the writing better, you could say that the cast could still potentially do a better job. the cw is not known for having better ratings than the big networks, so we'll never truly know how much better or worse it could have been on a different network. plus who's to say that the writing on hbo is that much better? if you're a guy, you're not really going to watch sex and the city whether its good writing or not. sex and the city has more of a fan base with women than men, whereas smallville is more tailored for teens and men. teens for the most part go out on a fri night, but smallville was moved to fridays because they know the fan base they do have would follow. this season smallville had strong ratings in the beginning of the season but fell off a bit, but that may have been due to being preempted for baseball games in ny and not knowing it was moved to saturdays. there are so many variables when talking about this, but i cant believe some people would think that it has absolutely no chance of being made to a movie. especially with wanting to get a movie off the ground quickly. 2012 is not so far off. i just hope the new movie gets as much praise as batman has in the past. it'd be nice for superman to take back his rightful place as the number 1 superhero. i'm sick and tired of seeing spider-man and iron man as people's favorite superhero. i mean, everyone has a right to their opinion, but it'd be nice for my favorite to be number 1 :o)

IMO, smallville isn't popular enough to warrant even looking at the cast for a Movie that has nothing to do with the series. Goyer's penned a treatment that Nolan saw as a different take and they presented it to Warners. We can safely assume that its not like Smallville because I'm sure they would've been told by the execs. Now I'm not a fan of Smallville nor Superman in general but I do recognize his importance. He is potentially the WB's biggest Character (I'd argue Batman, Potter fans would argue Potter). I don't see them going with Welling because for 1. he's not a strong enough lead actor for a Nolan project (not by a longshot), and 2. for those people who know about Smallville, it can create some confusion. Now I think #2 rarely happens but #1 is the most important. We don't even know who the director is yet so its possible he/she might like Welling but I really can't see that happening.

As far as restoring Superman to his rightful place at #1, I'm sure you can tell by my screenname who I think is #1. But Spiderman and Iron man...flash in the pans. Shallow knock-off characters that will never amount to 1/10 of Superman. They've just started their franchises and have already screwed up.

[epc11223]

IMO, smallville isn't popular enough to warrant even looking at the cast for a Movie that has nothing to do with the series. Goyer's penned a treatment that Nolan saw as a different take and they presented it to Warners. We can safely assume that its not like Smallville because I'm sure they would've been told by the execs. Now I'm not a fan of Smallville nor Superman in general but I do recognize his importance. He is potentially the WB's biggest Character (I'd argue Batman, Potter fans would argue Potter). I don't see them going with Welling because for 1. he's not a strong enough lead actor for a Nolan project (not by a longshot), and 2. for those people who know about Smallville, it can create some confusion. Now I think #2 rarely happens but #1 is the most important. We don't even know who the director is yet so its possible he/she might like Welling but I really can't see that happening.

As far as restoring Superman to his rightful place at #1, I'm sure you can tell by my screenname who I think is #1. But Spiderman and Iron man...flash in the pans. Shallow knock-off characters that will never amount to 1/10 of Superman. They've just started their franchises and have already screwed up.

i respect your opinion and you make valid points. personally, i don't think they're going to use the smallville cast but i do think that between superman returns and smallville, smallville had the better chance of using their adaptation of the mythology. last page people said they couldn't see why smallville fans would suggest that superman returns cast had no chance of being in the reboot but advocated for the smallville cast. my main reasoning would be that smallville is the end of the show and it sets up a beginning for superman which could lead to the reboot. that was all i was saying. i really don't think smallville cast is going to be in the reboot, but stranger things have happened. i'd like to see brandon routh get another shot at the role, but i think nolan wants everything new, which is understandable.

[Daybreak_st]

I know that this is off-topic (...kinda?), but I thought I would share my casting choice for the upcoming movie. Now, I have thought long and hard about this and thought about several different actors and I think I have decided who my choice is to fill the boots of The Man of Steel.



Actually you're the only person on-topic for the last two pages :woot:

[Daybreak_st]

It's all basically Apples and Oranges. The two franchaises are way too different to compare.


Smallville pretty much made it's own new fanbase within the CW viewers/romance shippers, separate from the \S/ fanbase. It does have a regular 2 million group of devoted loyal fans, keeping it alive on fridays, and yes that includes the psycho Chloe fans.


Superman Returns left the Superman fans divided, got high critical praise but wasn't the big action adventure that summer blockbuster audiences needed.


Smallville is a decent approach for the network it's on and what it is. The show's longevity is very relative to the network it's on.

Superman Returns was the wrong approach to something as huge as the Superman film franchaise.

I never thought this would happen but i completely agree with you here. Very well said.

[kalelkilla]

How anyone can think that Nolan and Goyer want to make "Smallville the Movie" is beyond me.

Don't we have a pretty good idea with what the story is going to be? reports surfaced in Feb/March. Goyer was pretty upfront about it. It has nothing to do with Smallville the show.

I know there is always a chance of a smallville movie, but it will be made for television if they do it at all.

Smallville had a good run. I enjoyed it for 10 years...time to move on.

No way Tom Welling wants to do it anyway. And no way Nolan is going to pick him for the role. So everyone wins...

Let's move the conversation forward.

[Man of Tomorrow]

How anyone can think that Nolan and Goyer want to make "Smallville the Movie" is beyond me.

Don't we have a pretty good idea with what the story is going to be? reports surfaced in Feb/March. Goyer was pretty upfront about it. It has nothing to do with Smallville the show.

I know there is always a chance of a smallville movie, but it will be made for television if they do it at all.

Smallville had a good run. I enjoyed it for 10 years...time to move on.

No way Tom Welling wants to do it anyway. And no way Nolan is going to pick him for the role. So everyone wins...

Let's move the conversation forward.


Not everyone has common sense. ;)

[Daybreak_st]

i respect your opinion and you make valid points. personally, i don't think they're going to use the smallville cast but i do think that between superman returns and smallville, smallville had the better chance of using their adaptation of the mythology. last page people said they couldn't see why smallville fans would suggest that superman returns cast had no chance of being in the reboot but advocated for the smallville cast. my main reasoning would be that smallville is the end of the show and it sets up a beginning for superman which could lead to the reboot. that was all i was saying. i really don't think smallville cast is going to be in the reboot, but stranger things have happened. i'd like to see brandon routh get another shot at the role, but i think nolan wants everything new, which is understandable.


I actually see the point you're trying to make. Under different circumstances that may have been a possibility. If smallville had never ventured into Superman territory, using classic villains, a very specific version of lex luthor, brainiac, Zod, a clear view of the fortress tied to the films, etc, etc, and was just teh story of clark kent in smallville growing up, then maybe it could've spun into a movie. It's one of those things that would've needed to be setup though. At this point they made a definitive statement on certain aspects of Superman. To use that cast would also bring in those specific "takes" on those characters. Now as much as i like Smallville and think they've done a solid job during certain seasons. I don't want a new movie hampered creatively b/c of using Smallville's version of characters. I don't think anyone wants that. If you use that cast you automatically make that connection.

I want to see more spectacle in the creation of brainiac for example, not the smallville version. I want to see a more evil metallo, not the guy from 90210 (although he did a good job).

Also i want a new take on the fortress, not the donner crystal version. You see what i'm saying? If you tie it to smallville you limit yourself creatively. Nolan and Goyer don't strike me as that type. My two cents.

[epc11223]

I actually see the point you're trying to make. Under different circumstances that may have been a possibility. If smallville had never ventured into Superman territory, using classic villains, a very specific version of lex luthor, brainiac, Zod, a clear view of the fortress tied to the films, etc, etc, and was just teh story of clark kent in smallville growing up, then maybe it could've spun into a movie. It's one of those things that would've needed to be setup though. At this point they made a definitive statement on certain aspects of Superman. To use that cast would also bring in those specific "takes" on those characters. Now as much as i like Smallville and think they've done a solid job during certain seasons. I don't want a new movie hampered creatively b/c of using Smallville's version of characters. I don't think anyone wants that. If you use that cast you automatically make that connection.

I want to see more spectacle in the creation of brainiac for example, not the smallville version. I want to see a more evil metallo, not the guy from 90210 (although he did a good job).

Also i want a new take on the fortress, not the donner crystal version. You see what i'm saying? If you tie it to smallville you limit yourself creatively. Nolan and Goyer don't strike me as that type. My two cents.

thank you for at least seeing my point! and i totally agree with you on everything else you just wrote.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I actually see the point you're trying to make. Under different circumstances that may have been a possibility. If smallville had never ventured into Superman territory, using classic villains, a very specific version of lex luthor, brainiac, Zod, a clear view of the fortress tied to the films, etc, etc, and was just teh story of clark kent in smallville growing up, then maybe it could've spun into a movie. It's one of those things that would've needed to be setup though. At this point they made a definitive statement on certain aspects of Superman. To use that cast would also bring in those specific "takes" on those characters. Now as much as i like Smallville and think they've done a solid job during certain seasons. I don't want a new movie hampered creatively b/c of using Smallville's version of characters. I don't think anyone wants that. If you use that cast you automatically make that connection.

I want to see more spectacle in the creation of brainiac for example, not the smallville version. I want to see a more evil metallo, not the guy from 90210 (although he did a good job).

Also i want a new take on the fortress, not the donner crystal version. You see what i'm saying? If you tie it to smallville you limit yourself creatively. Nolan and Goyer don't strike me as that type. My two cents. Correct, the right time for a SV movie would have been after season 3 or at the very most season 4 minus the witch and Lois stuff where they could have wrapped things up with Clark finishing school and leaving then yea a SV movie would have been great but with all the stuff they have now it wouldn't work. And for some time before SR it looked like they were going in that direction. Welling even met with the director about this if I am not mistaken but it just didn't work out that way.

[That-Guy]

I know that this is off-topic (...kinda?), but I thought I would share my casting choice for the upcoming movie. Now, I have thought long and hard about this and thought about several different actors and I think I have decided who my choice is to fill the boots of The Man of Steel.

I decided to look at up-and-coming actors and evaluate each and see which I could see going more "mainstream" in the future. I also looked at those that auditioned or were in the running for CAPTAIN AMERICA, and I think I have made my choice:

Garrett Hedlund

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/9299/garretthedlundjba000717.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/garretthedlundjba000717.jpg/)


I think he has the look, the charm and the chops to possibly become our next SUPERMAN :super:

Just an idea :yay:

Not sure about Hedlund as Superman, but I have to say that I find it a tad hilarious that, in a CASTING thread, someone mentions a potential casting choice but has to preface it with the words "I know that this is off-topic..." LOL.

What? A new name? DON'T YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL SMALLVILLE MOVIE IN THIS THREAD?!!! :hehe:

[DarkKnight FTW]

i respect your opinion and you make valid points. personally, i don't think they're going to use the smallville cast but i do think that between superman returns and smallville, smallville had the better chance of using their adaptation of the mythology. last page people said they couldn't see why smallville fans would suggest that superman returns cast had no chance of being in the reboot but advocated for the smallville cast. my main reasoning would be that smallville is the end of the show and it sets up a beginning for superman which could lead to the reboot. that was all i was saying. i really don't think smallville cast is going to be in the reboot, but stranger things have happened. i'd like to see brandon routh get another shot at the role, but i think nolan wants everything new, which is understandable.

I see your points as well and you have solid reasoning. I hope that I didn't come off as if I was trying to bash your opinion or anything like that. I think that who's chosen as director will tell us a lot about what type of actor will play Supes as well as what the story may be. I don't really know who should play him based off acting. Did they say it was going to be a young Superman because if it isn't then I would say John Hamm, but if he's young then I don't know. But other than Hamm (some will say he's too old but he doesn't really look old), I'll just wait until we hear who the director is after SDCC.

[NotFadeAway]

I know that this is off-topic (...kinda?), but I thought I would share my casting choice for the upcoming movie. Now, I have thought long and hard about this and thought about several different actors and I think I have decided who my choice is to fill the boots of The Man of Steel.

I decided to look at up-and-coming actors and evaluate each and see which I could see going more "mainstream" in the future. I also looked at those that auditioned or were in the running for CAPTAIN AMERICA, and I think I have made my choice:

Garrett Hedlund

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/9299/garretthedlundjba000717.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/garretthedlundjba000717.jpg/)


I think he has the look, the charm and the chops to possibly become our next SUPERMAN :super:

Just an idea :yay:

:yay::yay::yay: Thank You Thank You Thank You


I've suggested him for the role a few times now. I got blown off afterwards by people who probably have no idea who he is, because if they did, if they had seen this guy act, they would know he has acting talent coming out his ass. Troy, Friday Night Lights, Four Brothers, hell, he even gave a good performance in that craptastic Lindsey Lohan movie, Georgia Rule I think.

I have no doubt he could play a great young Superman. I'd be more worried about his Clark Kent, but I believe he would be fine there as we.

[Mr. Earle]

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6050/zdvdcoverwallwmwellingd.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/zdvdcoverwallwmwellingd.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)I dig the suit!

[GreenKToo]

Ok, its starting to get old with all the welling talk...chances are slim to none he'll get it, which is about as much as Routh's chances.

[kalelkilla]

^ best manip I've seen.

[Timstuff]

The old Star Trek movies never really rolled in the big bucks. They made enough money to keep going, but they were fairly cheap to produce and Star Trek was a household name. The two are not comparable in the least. A Superman movie will need a budget of at least 150 million (probably more) and that means taking fewer risks. If they were to make a 150 million dollar movie for the fanbase of a show that only gets 2 million viewers a week, it's not just a risk, it's pretty much burning money. Under no circumstances whatsoever will Warner Bros. be making a Smallville movie, because it's a horrible idea and it makes bad financial sense. This franchise deserves way better than that.

And I agree with the sentiment that Welling's chances are about as good as Routh's-- almost none at all. You don't start a reboot by bringing along all the baggage of a previous incarnation.

[Showtime]

No Routh. No Welling. No Smallville. No Superman Returns Sequels.

Get it out of your minds, not happening. It doesn't matter how hard you squint.

Get back on topic. This is a casting thread guys.

[Man of Tomorrow]

No Routh.

Get off the set Routh!

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa166/vgerland/Brandon%20on%20Chuck/normal_Chuck_season3finale_1088.jpg


Seriously, it's interesting how the studio politics work. He went from being WB's favorite for Superman last year ...to unlikely now. All the major shakeups at WB, Robinov, the creation of DC Ent, Nolan have really created some drastic changes from where we were one year ago.

[NotFadeAway]

Another note about Garrett Hedlund, he is the sequel to Tron, Tron: Legacy. I'm still unsure exactly how much attention that is going to recieve, but it should give Hedlund more attention when it comes to name and/or face recognition, which would please WB I'm sure. It's not going to make him an A-Lister or anything, but I've made know bones that I'm fine with casting an actor who is known on the level of Christian Bale BEFORE Begins.

[SuperAl]

i never liked Routh, the guy is a terrible actor. Was obviously limited in lines in SR, was terrible on Chuck, that vampire movie, i forget the name of it, doesnt even have a trailer out yet and my guess is theyve been done filming for a long long time.

im still rootin for Welling, the guy looks like superman to me and the guy already has a fanbase following him with 10 years of smallville. its the logical choice. he was approached for Brett Ratner's superman but couldnt do it because of scheduling conflicts with smallville, that wont be a problem this time around.

[TheWatcher]

You say Routh is a bad actor then you suggest Tom Welling?

[SuperAl]

i think theres a reason Routh had such a hard time to acquire an acting gig which is why he was waiting tables for years even though he had been on a series prior to it, if you honestly think hes even close to welling then ur crazy, Welling isnt a mindblowing actor but he had 9 years of acting experience with less than average writing and directing leading him and hes done a solid job. with a good director he could own the role. And ya having good writing and a good director helps, look at Bale, the guy is an amazing actor but hes made some god awful movies where he was just horrible in.

[FilmNerdJamie]

That is not going to happen. You really think they would bring somebody the caliber of Christopher Nolan and his brother Jonah to make Smallville The Movie?

Has King Jackass been passing around the Cherry Flavored Unrealistic Kool-Aid again?

You're all out.

No Routh. No Welling. No Smallville. No Superman Returns Sequels.

Get it out of your minds, not happening. It doesn't matter how hard you squint.

Get back on topic. This is a casting thread guys.

When mods say move on, you move on people.

[GreenKToo]

I know, funny ain't it.
Just think, there is a guy out there, prolly unknown, thats walking the streets right now. He will soon be Superman and he doesnt even know it yet. Dudes about to win the lottery.

[That-Guy]

I know, funny ain't it.
Just think, there is a guy out there, prolly unknown, thats walking the streets right now. He will soon be Superman and he doesnt even know it yet. Dudes about to win the lottery.

I just hope whoever said guy is, it's an actor this time.

[NotFadeAway]

i think theres a reason Routh had such a hard time to acquire an acting gig which is why he was waiting tables for years even though he had been on a series prior to it, if you honestly think hes even close to welling then ur crazy, Welling isnt a mindblowing actor but he had 9 years of acting experience with less than average writing and directing leading him and hes done a solid job. with a good director he could own the role. And ya having good writing and a good director helps, look at Bale, the guy is an amazing actor but hes made some god awful movies where he was just horrible in.

As far as I'm concerned, trying to choose between Routh and Welling is like the episode of South Park that saw an election race between a douche and a turd sanwhich. And it's the same thing, choosing between Routh and Welling is choosing between a douche and a turd sanwhich.

[That-Guy]

LOL

Crude but accurate.

[Man of Tomorrow]

The key difference is that Brandon Routh has been the frontrunner and favorite at Warner Bros up until last year.

Welling hasn't been relevant to Superman or any DC-related film project since 2003.

While neither are bound to be in the mix, at least in Routh's case I understand the logic here.. considering he was tied to the studio, good friends with Alan Horn, in the know about what's going on etc

Welling has been absolutely irrelevant to the film project for ages, and it's a huge super leap in logic for them to even throw his name (or Smallville) into the mix for this.

When it comes to acting between the two, it's all debatable, but Routh's much greater relevance to the WB Features Dept and the Superman film project is obvious.

Even though he's unlikely to return, he makes more sense as someone the studio would mention in regards to this project as opposed to Welling.

[Mr. Earle]

Get off the set Routh!

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa166/vgerland/Brandon%20on%20Chuck/normal_Chuck_season3finale_1088.jpg

:funny:

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7862/christianbalethumb200.jpg
Get off the ****ing set man!
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3746/americanpsycho.png
I said get off my ****ing set! What dont you ****ing understand?

[NotFadeAway]

LOL

Crude but accurate.

Yes it is:yay:

I've made it no secret that I flat out hate Routh in the role. No question about it, I didn't support or approve of Routh from the moment he was cast, nor did I approve or support the project known as Superman Returns, and look where we are at now. Back at square one.

Tom Welling.........Welling, Welling, Welling. Such a disappointment to me, but so is Smallville as a whole. Once upon a time, when I first started coming to this fourm I was a Smallville supporter. I liked the show, I thought it needed to work out some kinks and get more focused on character writing and story arcs than slow-mo action shots and what pop song was playing in the background. They had the characters, mythology, backing of the network. And Welling, after a bad season one which I excused as inexperience, showed some true promise in seasons two and three, and even in season four with the Alicia Baker storyline. I thought if he could just good material and direction, he could grow and at the very least get his character nailed. No, he regressed and took a turn for the worst. As did the show, it's more camp now than ever before. The dialouge is weak more often than not, character and story arc's are half assed at best, emphasis is still placed on background pop music and lame pop culture references that are nowhere near funny, and yes, slow-motion action shots of Clark using his powers at the last second still make up half the shows footage, OOOHHH, UGHHH. ARRGGHH SLOW-MO SHOT..........disgusting. Now I'm getting myself pissed.

[X Knight]

No to Routh and No to Welling.

If this next movie is indeed a fresh start for the franchise, then it needs a fresh new cast.

If you cast Routh, ppl will associate it with SR.

If you cast Welling, ppl will associate it with Smallville.

I wouldn't mind Welling playing Superman in a Smallville-based, made-for-TV movie that takes place after Smallville ends.

But not on the big screen.