The Ultimate DC/Marvel Tournament

[greenrage36]

I'll go with the good Dr Blueballs...

[Genesis 1.0]

Planets destroyed, populations wiped out, stars extinguished and all in the first hour of this confrontation as two of the greatest cosmic forces in comics clash with the living enigma Dr. Manhattan taking on the Immortal Phoenix. As the battle comes to a close, Jean finally destroys Dr. Manhattan..only to be struck down from behind by another Manhattan 10-8.

[Genesis 1.0]

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Ultimo 'The Living Holocaust'

VS

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The Titans


{V.I.P. Requested Match}

[[A]]

Ultimo The Living Holocaust, I guess.

[Anubis]

The Titans. I mean really, Superheros eat giant robots that aren't Ultron for breakfest.

[PemLam]

Titans

[Majic Walrus]

Titans!

[Docker2.0]

What Anubis said. Have to go with the Titans here.

[Genesis 1.0]

So they HAVE legalized weed. :o You guys are always good for a laugh or three.

Robin is DEAD from the start.

Ravager is useless.

Red Devil's heat based attacks will be FEEDING Ultimo, making him stronger the entire time and then he's gonna die.

So there's over HALF the team dead within the first few minutes. All that's left is Vic & lil Wondy. Vic's double tough but when it comes down to it, Ultimo's a much better robot and more easily adaptable. As pictured, Ultimo's taken Iron Man's best shot as well as Ms. Marvel's simulaneously.

Iron Man > Cyborg

Ms Marvel > Wondy

Ultimo murders the F'N Titans.

In the words of Tony Stark: "If it moves, it dies. If it resists, it dies first."

4-2 Titans

[SuperFerret]

I'll admit that I know nothing about Ultimo, but with a name like "Ultimo, the Living Holocaust" it just has to be a paper tiger (or would that be paper giant robot, or giant paper robot?). Anubis is right, superheroes eat giant robots for breakfast, it's part of the comic book rules, along with "the good guys always win" and "don't mess with Texas Batman".

Furthermore, there's really no justification for Ultimo to win at anything. For one, Ultimo is a far less awesome name than Amazo, and is even inferior to AWESOM-O. Secondly, the moniker of "Living Holocaust" brings to mind a giant Nazi, and when superheroes have their giant robot breakfast, they usually have a side of Nazi, so that's two strikes against him.

Lastly, Ravager is ALWAYS useless, Gen.

:batman:

[CanaryFan]

Ultimo

[Genesis 1.0]

I'll admit that I know nothing about Ultimo, but with a name like "Ultimo, the Living Holocaust" it just has to be a paper tiger (or would that be paper giant robot, or giant paper robot?). Anubis is right, superheroes eat giant robots for breakfast, it's part of the comic book rules, along with "the good guys always win" and "don't mess with Texas Batman".

Furthermore, there's really no justification for Ultimo to win at anything. For one, Ultimo is a far less awesome name than Amazo, and is even inferior to AWESOM-O. Secondly, the moniker of "Living Holocaust" brings to mind a giant Nazi, and when superheroes have their giant robot breakfast, they usually have a side of Nazi, so that's two strikes against him.

Lastly, Ravager is ALWAYS useless, Gen.

:batman:

You admittedly know nothing of Ultimo so proceed to mock the process by debating on his name?

So you ARE a graduate of the Walrus School of Logic, complete with an online degree?:awesome:

Ultimo would rape these Titans.:o

4-3 Titans

[Sparta*]

Ultimo

[greenrage36]

Even though I'm leery of going against standard comic-book-rules..I'll toss a vote to Ultimo. I thought Gen's battle description was pretty plausible..so that'll work for me!

but the name....oh god...the name...Ultimo..seriously, is THAT the best they could come up with for his freakin name? :doh:

[Docker2.0]

Yeah Genesis makes a pretty good argument but..................c'mon! Unless it's Ultron or Brainiac, I can't see a freakin robot taking the Titans out. Isn't Raven considered a part of the Titans or is it the team in the picture only?

[greenrage36]

Yeah Genesis makes a pretty good argument but..................c'mon! Unless it's Ultron or Brainiac, I can't see a freakin robot taking the Titans out. Isn't Raven considered a part of the Titans or is it the team in the picture only?

If she is included I may change my vote..I was going under the asumption that it would be the members shown that would represent the group & who was involved...


...but come ON..Utimo...tsk,tsk writers...that name was picked by someone's kid wasn't it? eh? eh? :dry:

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Ultimo's lame name causes the Titans to drop their guard and them BAM! It's over before it begins!

[Anubis]

So they HAVE legalized weed. :o You guys are always good for a laugh or three.

Robin is DEAD from the start.

Ravager is useless.

Red Devil's heat based attacks will be FEEDING Ultimo, making him stronger the entire time and then he's gonna die.

So there's over HALF the team dead within the first few minutes. All that's left is Vic & lil Wondy. Vic's double tough but when it comes down to it, Ultimo's a much better robot and more easily adaptable. As pictured, Ultimo's taken Iron Man's best shot as well as Ms. Marvel's simulaneously.

Iron Man > Cyborg

Ms Marvel > Wondy

Ultimo murders the F'N Titans.

In the words of Tony Stark: "If it moves, it dies. If it resists, it dies first."

4-2 Titans


Boos**t.

[Ace of Knaves]

Ultimo. I don't see how the Titans can really hurt him. He is indeed lame though.

[Hound55]

You throw a Raven and an Impulse/Kid Flash and things change in a hurry... but yeah, these Titans would get wrecked if written plausibly.

...that said Robin would have been killed multiple times already if they were written 'plausibly'...

[Teth-Adam.]

have to disagree with gen, you cant base your arguement on what is cleary a comics cover, and things never actually happen the way they are shown on the cover. and even then, the pic only shows that he caught them, im beating in that comic ultimo got his ass handed to him. besides, robin would be of some use, as for some reason, batman and robin have fought dozens of robots over the years.
To be honest, i would probably expect wondergirl alone to beat universes worsed named robot

Titans

[SuperFerret]

You admittedly know nothing of Ultimo so proceed to mock the process by debating on his name?

So you ARE a graduate of the Walrus School of Logic, complete with an online degree?:awesome:

Ultimo would rape these Titans.:o

4-3 Titans

Pfft... I taught Walrus everything he knows, except for the "Goo Goo Ga Choo" crap. I will not be made responsible for that.

Also, I'm pretty much in the dark about most of the dark horse guys you think would win in these things, but that doesn't stop me from voting against stupid characters. :up:

[PaleRider]

ultimo

[Majic Walrus]

Pfft... I taught Walrus everything he knows, except for the "Goo Goo Ga Choo" crap. I will not be made responsible for that.

Also, I'm pretty much in the dark about most of the dark horse guys you think would win in these things, but that doesn't stop me from voting against stupid characters. :up:

It's Goo goo goo joob.

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah Genesis makes a pretty good argument but..................c'mon! Unless it's Ultron or Brainiac, I can't see a freakin robot taking the Titans out. Isn't Raven considered a part of the Titans or is it the team in the picture only?

It's always the number of members pictured, not those on a team currently, so no Raven.

Teth, there's NO ground for you to argue Robin's survival in this match. He'll be stepped on, Ultron does have super speed despite his size, or simply hit with a disintergration beam. Robin's DONE from the jump, Ravager & Eddie won't be far behind.

9-5 Ultimo

[SuperFerret]

It's Goo goo goo joob.

See what I mean?

[Genesis 1.0]

Something he stole from the Boondock's version of Bill Cosby. :o

Says Ultimo can walk at 100 mph, with that alone he's got a superior edge over everyone except mimi Wondy.

I'm still waiting to hear from Teth how the hell Robin is an asset. :\

[Majic Walrus]

Robin has leadership skills, tech, and pretty nice training.

[SuperFerret]

Plus a snazzy costume.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

^That avatar is hilarious!

Robins skill, leadership and snazzy costume will help him dodge a shot or two before he gets crushed like a cockroach!

[Majic Walrus]

I think you guys severely underestimate Robin's skills. All of the Robins have shown great skill the one pictured has taken down Killer Croc by himself on more than one occasion.

[Genesis 1.0]

Wait...Killer Croc?

Are you honestly putting a meta lizard on the scale of Ultimo? Ultimo's 10x as Fast, Strong, Durable and not to mention world's more powerful.

Robin's training and costume won't save him from a 100 mph boot or instaneous disintergration beam. His tech is null and void against Ultimo. In this match, he's even less useful than RAVAGER who's at least augmented and has a healing factor that will enable her to survive 2 seconds longer.

As usual, you're OVERESTIMATING a Bat-thing. :o

[Majic Walrus]

All I'm saying is that you act like Robin has never faced a foe that is stronger, faster, and tougher than he is and won.

[SuperFerret]

Ultimo's a robot, right? Aren't mini-EMPs like standard issue utility belt things?

[Genesis 1.0]

Pretty sure Stark would have thought of that being Stark.

In addition Ultimo has shown that he becomes immune to past paths to victory, kinda like Doomsday.

MJ: And YOU'RE acting as if he's ever beaten anyone of Ultimo's level. :o

[Lobo]

Ravager has that precog thing right? So she'll last 3.5 seconds longer. Anyway comics aren't written plausibly otherwise Bats and all the Gotham vigilante's would be dead already. That being said, I will always vote on what I believe the plausible outcome. So Ultimo unfortunately.

[Genesis 1.0]

Hey, there's some plausible moments even in Bat History.

Bane anyone?

[Genesis 1.0]

Hey, there's some plausible moments even in Bat History.

Bane anyone?

[Anubis]

If Ultimo can do all that, then what made you put him up against the Titans? Seems kinda stacked against them.

You can't really just go by powers and abilities. You also gotta take into account experience, creative thinking, and all those other intangibles that ultimately are what wins a fight. Just going by powers then, Ultimo killed Iron Man long ago, and all the adventures we're seeing now is just Stark in heaven. :o But being a giant robot that shoots death lasers out his eyes and can (year right) walk over a 100 miles an hour, does not give it an automatic win. I'll take the years of experience fighting giant robots with death ray eyes from Cyborg, Cassie, and Tim, over a robot that has yet to be able to kill one dude.

[Genesis 1.0]

Far be it for this humble reporter to allow you to bi^ch and moan without injecting a little reality.

-There's no if he can do this, he has. Just because you haven't bothered to read any of the material since his original Mandarin run isn't anyone else's fault.

-It's a Requested Match. Now I thought that the big F'N RED letters might get that message across but evidently I was mistaken.

-I wasnt even going to throw it up because it was a 5 on 1 handicap match in favor of the F'N Titans. So you're crying about WHAT again? Maybe you'd have felt better if I had put a Stip in that denied Ultimo his arms or some shiz. The Titans are a team that's shown itself capable of overcoming their individual weaknesses to defeat enemies beyond their powers. Just because I don't see them overcoming this hurdle doesn't mean others will, as is the case 9 times in 10.

-So let me get this right, Ultimo's a basic failure because he hasn't killed his main target, Iron Man. So Norman's a failure, Loki's a failure, Doom's a failure, Joker, and the list goes on. No, that means that like Ultimo, they're villians and if they actually succeed then story's over.

But thanks for the mentally abortive logic there in light of your bias against robots.:o

In summary: Strap on a maxi pad, you're making a mess on the carpet.


10-5 Ultimo

[SuperFerret]

Ultimo is still the stupidest name in comics.

[Genesis 1.0]

Stilt Man? Captain Boomerang? Groot?

Ultimo IS pretty lame though. :o

[SuperFerret]

All those names are better than Ultimo. Hell, Paste Pot Pete is godly compared to Ultimo.

[Genesis 1.0]

Eh, sounds like you've been hitting the pot kinda early today there Mammal Man. :o


Ultimo, The Living Holocaust, rises from the depths of the Earth to rampage across the City and the Titans assemble to put a stop to it. Following the quick death of the team's leader, Robin, the Titans fall into dissarray and a crushing 10-5 defeat to Ultimo.

[Genesis 1.0]

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Thanos

VS

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Superboy Prime


{{{V.I.P. Requested Match}}}

[Genesis 1.0]

Here ya go Ace, a whole lot of asswhipping in this one.

0-0

[SurfDUI]

haven't bothered to read any of the material since his original Mandarin run isn't anyone else's fault.


:meanie:-Thoughts of the original Iron Man 'cartoon' from the 60's. :funny:


Prime

[Docker2.0]

Thanos. Just to much of a universal threat and very well rounded in all aspects. Superboy Prime...........eh. My vote goes to Thanos.

[Genesis 1.0]

Two guys that really don't give a damn about collateral damage, innocent lives, morality, or anything else in the superhero handbook.

1-1 TIE

[SuperFerret]

Thanos. He's somebody who'll wipe the smug off of Prime's assface.

[louiebling$]

Thanos

[Silicon Surfer]

Prime with relative ease.

[CanaryFan]

Thanos

[Hound55]

Thanos with or without the gems?

[Anubis]

The gems are a weapon that could give a win to pretty much anybody that has them. Hell, Aunt May could own the universe with the infinity gauntlet, so, whenever theres a Thanos fight, it's always no gems.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Thanos with or without the gems!


Fixed!

Thanos wins!

[Hound55]

She'd damn sure get those nasty street punks to stop playing on her freshly cut lawn...

[Hound55]

Fixed!

Thanos wins!
Heh... personaly, I agree with you although it'd be damn close.

Trying to sneak an easy answer by bringing the gems into it... heh.

Thanos is stacked all-round and energy manipulation is one hell of a good specialty against Prime.

I'll go with Thanos but its closer than the vote indicates so far.

[Anubis]

I'm going with Thanos because he's smarter than SBP. And in a fight against what is basically a blunt instrument with a cape, being the level headed one is probably gonna be deciding factor.

[Silicon Surfer]

He's a pre-crisis Kryptonian which means that he has super intelligence. Yeah he's a nutcase but he's a super smart nutcase whose also millions of times faster than Thanos.

[Genesis 1.0]

I'm going with Thanos because he's smarter than SBP. And in a fight against what is basically a blunt instrument with a cape, being the level headed one is probably gonna be deciding factor.

:hehe: Epic, man. Just Epic.:hehe:

Prime's faster without a doubt, as to his Intelligence, I haven't seen any real signs of elevated tactics or strategy. He's not a dumbass but is he Thanos level Intelligent? Hell no.

I can't call this one right now. If there's ever a real Cosmic Powerhouse outside Galactus and above Surfer, it's Thanos. Superboy Prime is Kyrptonian Power at it's best and most insane, which adds an edge.

The Mad Kyrptonian vs The Mad Titan

Good match, Ace.

7-2 Thanos

[Silicon Surfer]

From a certain perspective a meteorite such as that which wiped out the dinosaurs might be considered a blunt instrument. And Thanos is certainly a cosmic dinosaur whose time is past.

[[A]]

Is it over? If not, Thanos.

[Majic Walrus]

If it's still going I side with Thanos too.

[Anubis]

Holy Buckets! :eek:

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah, I did NOT see that coming either. Walrus voting against Bat-anything or anything Supes related is amazing.

Why would this match be over? Hell, I just did it today.

9-2 Thanos

[Ace of Knaves]

I think it would be a mental fight. Gotta give it to Thanos though... just.

[SuperFerret]

Don't be surprised Gen. This is just another of the basic comic book rules. Thanos wins. If he doesn't, it's a clone (the exception is the Squirrel Girl clause). Plus, anyone with a brain hates Superboy Prime with all of their being.

[Genesis 1.0]

Don't be surprised Gen. This is just another of the basic comic book rules. Thanos wins. If he doesn't, it's a clone (the exception is the Squirrel Girl clause). Plus, anyone with a brain hates Superboy Prime with all of their being.

You're aware we're talking about Walrus, right?:o

Aside from that, regardless of hate you're supposed to vote on who'd win, although in this case I agree with the majority. Hate tends to play heavily in matches involving:

Batman
Wolverine
Gambit
Sentry
Venom
Carnage

There are others but those tend to garner the most hate filled, irrational votes.:awesome:

11-2 Thanos

[Majic Walrus]

Let's just look rationally at the between Thanos mental powers and incredible tactics and skills Prime doesn't really have much of a chance. It's basically a really strong dude fighting a really strong really smart dude and brains always wins...

Unless it's like you know Steven Hawking vs. The Hulk.

[Anubis]

Pfft, obviously you never read Issue 212 of the Spectacular Professor Hawk. :o

[Silicon Surfer]

Let's just look rationally at the between Thanos mental powers and incredible tactics and skills Prime doesn't really have much of a chance. It's basically a really strong dude fighting a really strong really smart dude and brains always wins...

Unless it's like you know Steven Hawking vs. The Hulk.

The strength of Thanos' mental powers is open to debate. Eternals in general have been stated to have low level mental powers. The only examples of his use of mental powers that I have seen are of indeterminate magnitude. The only telepath he has contested with AFAIK is Moondragon whose on panel feats are unimpressive. Pre-crisis Kryptonians had superhuman intellects and willpower and were fairly capable of resisting mental powers. Thanos is undoubtedly capable of coming up with tactics that would work against SBP but the ones that he could actually employ are very limited given that prep time is not stated. SBP is easily fast enough to avoid energy beams and physical attacks if he needs to which he probably doesn't. His invulnerability should withstand anything that Thanos can do including matter manipulation.

[Docker2.0]

Dude you KNOW Thanos would really win if Majic Walrus voted against anything Superman related. :o

[Majic Walrus]

The strength of Thanos' mental powers is open to debate. Eternals in general have been stated to have low level mental powers. The only examples of his use of mental powers that I have seen are of indeterminate magnitude. The only telepath he has contested with AFAIK is Moondragon whose on panel feats are unimpressive. Pre-crisis Kryptonians had superhuman intellects and willpower and were fairly capable of resisting mental powers. Thanos is undoubtedly capable of coming up with tactics that would work against SBP but the ones that he could actually employ are very limited given that prep time is not stated. SBP is easily fast enough to avoid energy beams and physical attacks if he needs to which he probably doesn't. His invulnerability should withstand anything that Thanos can do including matter manipulation.

Let's also remember that even at the lowest levels of telepathy Thanos should still be able to discern things like weaknesses. And even if SBP could withstand a punch to the chin there's still a good chance that Thanos could work the angle of keeping him away from his power source. Thanos has plenty of time to work that angle anyway because let's face it. As much as Thanos isn't going to hurt Prime; Prime isn't going to hurt Thanos either.

Dude you KNOW Thanos would really win if Majic Walrus voted against anything Superman related. :o

This is probably true. I think Prime is one of the strongest character in either universe.

[Silicon Surfer]

I see this as a more extreme version of what the Runner did to Thanos only more power and more viciousness.

[PemLam]

Prime

[Ace of Knaves]

I thought it'd be tighter than this to be honest. Both are mega heavyweights in their universes.

But for me it comes down to tactical awareness.

Prime is the personification of hissy fit. Blind rage. I don't think i've ever seen him do something tactically astute.

Whereas Thanos is like, the personification of cold, calculating, methodical. I think Thanos could work out Prime's weakness to red sun radiation and his proneness to throwing his toys out of his pram quite easily, then implement that knowledge. He'd have to withstand a ****ing harsh physical battle long enough to do so though. I think he could, it wouldn't be easy.

[Sparta*]

I do think this could go either way but I think Thanos takes it 6/10 times

[SurfDUI]

yea, yea 'Thanos got big balls'. There's not really a Supes parallel so much in the Marvel U...Prime is no A student, but its about Kypton I would guess

[Teth-Adam.]

Prime is unstoable unless this is a fight under a red sun, and i ont see how thanos is going to figure out thats how to stop him, unless they just happen to pass by one.

prime

[SuperFerret]

Prime's very stoppable, otherwise everyone would be dead.

[Teth-Adam.]

I did mention the "unless" part. in infinite crisis he was stopped twice, both times a red sun was used, and in sinestro war he wasnt stopped, just sent to another universe while kiling a guardian, and i think thanos is just going to try to kill him, not send him away, or go on trip to see if any special places make him weaker.

[Genesis 1.0]

The Unstoppable Kryptonian Force meets the Immovable Titan Object and it's not pretty. Superboy Prime unleashes his rage in megaton punches, heat rays, and lightspeed but all to no avail as Thanos calculates the weaknesses of his foe and blasts him into charred submission with a devestating 12-4 beating.

[Genesis 1.0]

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Gravity

VS

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Booster Gold

{{Requested Match}}

[SuperFerret]

I did mention the "unless" part. in infinite crisis he was stopped twice, both times a red sun was used, and in sinestro war he wasnt stopped, just sent to another universe while kiling a guardian, and i think thanos is just going to try to kill him, not send him away, or go on trip to see if any special places make him weaker.

Thanos would be just as likely to kill him as he would send him away to someplace where he's out of the Titan's way.

[Docker2.0]

Gravity I guess because he's supposedly protector of the universe. I like Booster Gold and I think it'd be very close I just see Gravity pulling out if he doesn't hold punches.

[Anubis]

Protector of the universe? Since when?

I will say this, Gravity is far more powerful, and he's come a long way as a hero. So has Booster but I think the power gap is significant enough to make a difference. So Gravity.

[[A]]

Gravity.

I don't know why I dislike the guy with the flying web cam so much..

[PemLam]

Gravity

[Docker2.0]

Protector of the universe? Since when?

I will say this, Gravity is far more powerful, and he's come a long way as a hero. So has Booster but I think the power gap is significant enough to make a difference. So Gravity.

Since Epoch selected him and rose him from the dead. It happened during that legendary F4 issue where BP defeats the SS with a armhold. :dry:

[Genesis 1.0]

Meh, these are both young, brash guys and that's why I like 'em, much needed fresh breath of air.

That being said, in this match Gold's more the seasoned veteran, Booster's got more experience and enough powers to cut this one to the quick before Gravity gets as serious as he needs to and crushes him, literally.

Booster Gold

4-1 Gravity

[CanaryFan]

Booster

[SuperFerret]

I'll throw Booster a vote. Gravity may be more powerful, but Booster has more experience and isn't a slouch in the power department either.

[Genesis 1.0]

Gravity's got a clear power edge but Booster's more likely to utilize his power set to end this and further Gravity's education.

4-3 Gravity

[Majic Walrus]

Gravity.









April Fools. I vote for Booster.

[Anubis]

Since Epoch selected him and rose him from the dead. It happened during that legendary F4 issue where BP defeats the SS with a armhold. :dry:

I take it you didn't finish that arc (understandable I suppose) but that's over with. Particularly since Quasar is back.

[Genesis 1.0]

I voted Booster but to win this he's going to have to make it really quick because once Gravity starts letting loose, Booster's flight, speed, and of course reaction time are going to be greatly reduced. So I expect him to get a taste of what Gravity can do and realize he's royally screwed if he doesn't unload on the goof with the goggles.

4-4 TIE

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Gravity

[Hound55]

I'm going with gravity on this one.

There's no question he can beat Booster its just a matter of how much he holds back and for how long...

[Genesis 1.0]

I'd have to emphasize that 'how long' because that's his personality and if he catches an energy blast in the face he's going down faster than Stilt Man. :o

6-4 Gravity

[Chunin]

Booster Gold

[Genesis 1.0]

In a battle of both universes' future main eventers, the brash and cocky Booster Gold takes on the rising star, Gravity. Rookie mistakes and trash talking abound in this one as Booster manages several close calls before Gravity finally closes it up smashing Gold below the Earth's crust with a 6-5 victory.

[Genesis 1.0]

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Batman: Bruce Wayne

VS

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Multiple Man

[Ace of Knaves]

haha i KNEW this fight would happen after reading that other thread.

Madrox takes this.

[GlasgowBat]

Batman

[SurfDUI]

am I missing something here...

Jamie?

[Majic Walrus]

**** you Gen. **** you.

[Ace of Knaves]

:funny:

BTW that is a friggin bad ass pic of Batman.

[Genesis 1.0]

**** you Gen. **** you.

:hehe: Dude I laughed for a while reading this. You're welcome.:awesome:

Ace: Thanks, I thought it kicked ass and Bruce is King.


2-1 Multiple Man

[Docker2.0]

Multiple Man.

[Genesis 1.0]

I'm sure Walrus will bring Bruce's freeze pellets, Batarangs, or knockout gas into effect sooner rather than later.

3-1 Multiple Man

[Majic Walrus]

:hehe: Dude I laughed for a while reading this. You're welcome.:awesome:


I honestly think that Jamie would have a chance against Bruce, also I think that 51 out of 100 times Bruce would win.

Too close to call and also I refuse to vote against Batman. I abstain.

[Ace of Knaves]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

[Genesis 1.0]

Whaaa? NOW you want to be semi-logical? In that strange Limbo where your innate fanboyism wages war against the tattered remmants of your intellect?

Nah.

You said 51 out of 100 times Bruce wins so that's a vote for Batman clearly, so how the hell can you abstain? What for your reputation? No worries there, bro.

Count it.

I just wanna know how you feel Bruce takes it those 51 times, what's his method to victory? The freezing, Batarangs, gas?

3-2 Multiple Man

[Chunin]

Bruce is a better fighter, faster, more agilic, more experienced, better tech.

Batman easy

[Genesis 1.0]

....Wait, what the f____ is 'agilic'?

You and Walrus must have been born at the same hospital where the nurses were piledriving babies and shiz. :o

3-3 TIE

[Ace of Knaves]

No matter how skilled Bruce is or how much tech he has, and if he has no prep time for a guy who can multiply himself, I think he loses.

I think it would be a good fight if Bruce can figure out who the real Madrox is and get to him. But even then I think he'll just get completely overwhelmed. It'd be like the Burly Brawl from Matrix Reloaded... except if Neo just got smashed up.

[Genesis 1.0]

Screw the haters, that's still one of the best trilogies of ALL time. :(

Back to the point: I agree, although to give Walrus Inc. some credit, freezing and gas are Bruce's best chance at survival.

[SuperFerret]

It's a toss up. This depends on their personalities. The two basic factors are whether or not Madrox goes all out on Batman, and how long Batman takes to realize that everytime he punches a dupe or Madrox himself, it duplicates.

[Genesis 1.0]

It doesn't even take a punch anymore, hell Jamie doesn't even need Bruce to duplicate. Hell, it shouldn't take F'N Detective Supreme long to figure out Madrox is cloning regardless of the reasoning unless he thinks he's being attacked by Octo Mom or some sh___.

One of Jamie is going to end up knocking Bruce down, there's going to be a mob of Madrox raining fists and feet and then it's a done deal. Even Batman's been knocked out before.

Multiple Man

4-3 Multiple Man

[CanaryFan]

This fight really depends on where it happens. If they're in an empty room the numbers will probably overwhelm Batman but if there is any way to use his stealth, his climbing gear, or various other tools Bats usually has on him then Batman has a hell of a chance of picking off a hundred multiple men one by one or he puts a tracker on the original so he knows which one he is then escapes and evades until he can take out the original thus taking out the copies. Bats does have a villain (forget his name) with multiplying abilities so in a way he already has his famous prep time even with out getting prep time.

[SurfDUI]

Even Batman's been knocked out before.

Bruce has been knocked the **** out before.

Jaime is not a multiplying hobo, he's had danger room training, under Scott. And Cyc don't play. Which makes him above average in handling himself...against the best...not one on one, but Batman damn near gets pulled apart on a third of all his visits to Arkham. Sure he'd find the original, but after gettin jumped by 25 mofo's...not quite.

[Silicon Surfer]

The last I knew there was no "real" Madrox, every one was identical. Taking out one, no matter which one, made no difference to the others. Batarangs, whether ordinary or explosive, are useless since they just generate kinetic energy which creates more dupes. Gas isn't going to make a difference unless Bruce gets to bring a backpack canister of it, pressurized. This fight is absolutely hopeless for Bats. Even if the fight were in the Batcave with Bruce standing next to his weapons stockpile they would still overwhelm him with sheer numbers.

[[A]]

both images are pretty good :up:

I'll go with Bats

[Genesis 1.0]

Canary: A fair and generic blend of both options: A large warehouse.

The last I knew there was no "real" Madrox, every one was identical. Taking out one, no matter which one, made no difference to the others. Batarangs, whether ordinary or explosive, are useless since they just generate kinetic energy which creates more dupes. Gas isn't going to make a difference unless Bruce gets to bring a backpack canister of it, pressurized. This fight is absolutely hopeless for Bats. Even if the fight were in the Batcave with Bruce standing next to his weapons stockpile they would still overwhelm him with sheer numbers.

:hehe: Damn and I can see that image right now, Bruce throwing everything AND the kitchen sink and it just creating more clones.

Surfer also got to it before I did, there is no REAL Madrox so even that's useless as a strategy.

5-4 Multiple Man

[Hound55]

Madrox Multiplicity Madness!

[Hound55]

Madrox Multiplicity Madness!

[CanaryFan]

Canary: A fair and generic blend of both options: A large warehouse.


I'm no Batman fan boy but he's not a retard. If he hits a couple of multiple men and they split he'll stop striking them pretty quick. He'll go to gas and freeze pellets, that goop stuff he's used a few times, pinning them under a toppled stack of what ever is stored in that warehouse, and even picking them off one at a time and hogtying them with the batropes. Madrox doesn't usually make hundreds of copies right away to take out one guy. Bats has as good of a chance as any non powered guy in this setting. It could go either way i guess but I'll go with Bats cause the deck is clearly stacked against him.

[Hound55]

I'm no Batman fan boy but he's not a retard. If he hits a couple of multiple men and they split he'll stop striking them pretty quick. He'll go to gas and freeze pellets, that goop stuff he's used a few times, pinning them under a toppled stack of what ever is stored in that warehouse, and even picking them off one at a time and hogtying them with the batropes. Madrox doesn't usually make hundreds of copies right away to take out one guy. Bats has as good of a chance as any non powered guy in this setting. It could go either way i guess but I'll go with Bats cause the deck is clearly stacked against him.

I agree, he stands as much chance as any non-powered guy... bugger all.

[Docker2.0]

He stands as good a chance as any nonpowered guy but that's not saying much. In the end, I say Madrox gets it.

[Genesis 1.0]

I'm no Batman fan boy but he's not a retard. If he hits a couple of multiple men and they split he'll stop striking them pretty quick. He'll go to gas and freeze pellets, that goop stuff he's used a few times, pinning them under a toppled stack of what ever is stored in that warehouse, and even picking them off one at a time and hogtying them with the batropes. Madrox doesn't usually make hundreds of copies right away to take out one guy. Bats has as good of a chance as any non powered guy in this setting. It could go either way i guess but I'll go with Bats cause the deck is clearly stacked against him.

You say Batman is no retard, which I've never implied, and then proceed to make Jamie out to be just that. Jamie isn't one of the Joker's or Two-Faces goons, he's a well trained veteran superhero who's used to leading and coordinating his own team of superhumans. He's not going to be so easy to take down, even by Batman, seeing as he's gone up against well trained foes before. So if you think he's going to allow himself to be pinned under crates and boxes......yeah.

As I recollect, I was the first to say his freeze pellets and gas would be his most effective weapon. It's possible he could win but 7 times in 10, I'd give it to Jamie.

As to being stacked, thank Walrus for that. :o

[Silicon Surfer]

Falling stacks of whatever are going to create more dupes as will just about any martial arts techniques that Bats tries to use in order to subdue Jamie for hogtying.

[CanaryFan]

Falling stacks of whatever are going to create more dupes.

Maybe, but they will be trapped under the ruble with the ones he toppled it on.

[Genesis 1.0]

Rubble?

You act as if it's tons of cement and steel girders instead of common warehouse fare. :o

[SuperFerret]

They could easily dislodge the rubble by just duplicating enough times.

[PaleRider]

Batman

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Rubble?

You act as if it's tons of cement and steel girders instead of common warehouse fare. :o

I've been in plenty of warehouses, they stack stuff 30 feet high and need industrial fork lifts to move it. Often the common warehouse fare is heavy enough to kill someone if it falls never mind pinning them under it. Sounds like a valid strategy to me.

Still the odds are against the caped crusader. I vote Multiple man.

[Anubis]

I hate to say it....but Batman. How do I know this? Multiplex. He's dealt with guys like Madrox before (though none of them have used their powers as well as Jamie does.) But, Bat's does know how to take them out, and usually has the means to do so readily available in his utility belt. Sad as that may sound, it's the way it would go down.

[Genesis 1.0]

Jamie is an order of magnitude above Multiplex in Intelligence, Experience, and the overrall use of his abilities.

7-6 Multiple Man

[Docker2.0]

I think people seriously underestimate Danger Room training. It's not just a video game but they can really be killed in there and the training is extensive. I say Jaime wins 7/10 times.

[Majic Walrus]

Jamie is an order of magnitude above Multiplex in Intelligence, Experience, and the overrall use of his abilities.

7-6 Multiple Man

But Bruce is no dummy, even if Jamie does outrank Multiplex Batman is still familiar with the general idea of his powers. Let's also take stealth into consideration. Batman has shown time and time again that he can take down an opponent without being noticed. Let's say that Bats employs a combination of stealth takedowns, gas pellets, and ranged weapons (batarangs!). How many people do you think Batman could take down?

In a head-to-head martial arts fight Jamie wins nearly every time, but in a real world situation Batman could take down two dozen dupes before they even realize that they're under attack.

Batman wins. :awesome:

[Docker2.0]

Not true. If one Dupe sees him, they all see him. So I really don't see Batman at any advantage here at all.

[SurfDUI]

U

in a real world situation..................Batman......... could take down two dozen dupes before they even realize that they're under attack.



(dood!) Yes sir.. your ARE Majic

[Silicon Surfer]

Considering how fast he can replicate himself the battle is ridiculous. If he keeps replicating himself every two seconds he could create over a billion dupes in under a minute.

[SuperFerret]

ekxn5KLv9XQ

[Anubis]

Not true. If one Dupe sees him, they all see him. So I really don't see Batman at any advantage here at all.

That's not true.

[Genesis 1.0]

Some say this is a battle of overwhelming odds and others say it's a Master of Tactics wet dream and in the end, it's a little bit of both as Jamie Madrox takes on the Dark Knight. Batman uses everything at his disposal to defeat the many Madrox clones, freezing and gasing them one by one but it's never enough as Multiple Man wins the numbers game and defeats Batman 7-6.

[Hound55]

Seriously, how much freezing compound could Bats possibly carry on him?

And batarangs would only up the dupes if used directly, Bats would pretty much have to bring the entire building down on them and grapple away but that's not his mentality.

Instilling nervousness by picking them off one at a time would only cause Jamie to think even more down a safety in numbers line. Bats best bet would be to try and take him out quick before there's an overwhelming number of dupes, but that's not exactly in his favour either.

I'm confident that Jamie would take 7-8 out of 10... although we all know that if a crossover were to take place we wouldn't be reading the most plausible result.

[Genesis 1.0]

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Thor Girl

VS

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Power Girl

Requested Match

[Genesis 1.0]

Damn, they make Power Girl look........ :)

In any case, another match delivered as requested. I was tempted to make it a Triple Threat with Ms. Marvel but I'll save her for later.

0-0

[Docker2.0]

Power Girl

[PaleRider]

Power Girl

[Silicon Surfer]

Power Girl

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Thor Girl

[J'adore]

Power Girl

[Sparta*]

P/g

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, I had a bad feeling it was going to roll this way, Thor.

Thor Girl's shown herself capable of some nearly Thor level damage and the tenacity to surprise and she's got a very Asgardian tendency towards ruthlessness. I'll give her a vote on the basis she ends this one swiftly with some nasty hammerstrokes before Big Sexy knows what hit her.

5-2 Power Girl

[Anubis]

PG

The only time Thor Girl ever showed the power she's supposed to have is when she wasn't Thor Girl and about 200 years had passed. But we aren't talking about the Designate, we're talking about somebody who got owned by the Gray Gargoyle.

[SuperFerret]

Power Girl

[CanaryFan]

Thor Girl

[Genesis 1.0]

7-3 Power Girl

[Genesis 1.0]

This bout is schedueled for one fall. In the blue corner, hailing from Mighty Asgard, the Blonde Bomber, Thor Girl. And in the red corner, The Mighty Mistress of Steel, Power Girl. This one was supposed to go 10 Rounds but early in the first, this one ended with a clear 7-3 knockout and your victor......

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[Genesis 1.0]

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Ravager

VS

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Wolverine

[Ace of Knaves]

Could her energy swords cut through adamantium?

[Genesis 1.0]

Obviously never been tested so it'll be up to each voter.

Personally, I'd say no seeing as there have been a plethora of weapons based on different tech including energy and lasers, alien tech, that have never managed to cut his adamantium.

[PaleRider]

wolverine

[The_Mighty_Thor]

logan would take a hell of a beating but he'd prevail in the end.

[Genesis 1.0]

This one's going to be bloody, that's for damn sure.

Oh yeah, the suckers that'll spout off the 'Ravager's a better fighter' can save it for this one. Wolverine's beaten Cap twice, Shang Chi in a few very short panels, Psylocke, Hand Ninjas, and the list goes on.

Not to mention the fact that his moves can't be predicted with precog, this one is going down based on skill, strength, brutality, and healing factors.

2-0 Wolverine

[Silicon Surfer]

Ravager. And precog works just fine on Wolvie, neither Spidey nor Destiny have ever had any trouble.

[Ace of Knaves]

To be fair Gen Wolverine beating Cap and Shang Chi is just ridiculous. He wouldn't of won those fights if he wasn't so popular, that's all it is.

He'd maybe put up a good fight against Steve if he went beserk. But against friggin Shang Chi? C'mon... if that fight was written logically Wolverine would of been pissed on. Probably literally after being laid out on the floor.

I still dunno who i'm gonna vote on in this match though.

[SuperFerret]

A realistically written Wolverine would be able to beat a realistically written Ravager.

[Docker2.0]

Agreed SF! Wolverine gets my vote, despite him being really overexposed by Marvel now....................well......Deadpool is the new media darling now but still..............

[Hound55]

To be fair Gen Wolverine beating Cap and Shang Chi is just ridiculous. He wouldn't of won those fights if he wasn't so popular, that's all it is.

He'd maybe put up a good fight against Steve if he went beserk. But against friggin Shang Chi? C'mon... if that fight was written logically Wolverine would of been pissed on. Probably literally after being laid out on the floor.

I still dunno who i'm gonna vote on in this match though.

It sure as hell wouldn't have been won by Wolverine in just a few short panels... His best bet would have been taking a long drawn out fight, relying heavily on his healing factor. Even then, its still pretty tiring taking an arse whooping from a properly trained fighter (you'd think Shang Chi would continue working the body to keep Wolvie tired/weak) just as it is giving the arse whooping...

[Docker2.0]

While I agree Wolvie beating Shang Chi is BS, I think him and Cap can go either way on any given day. While Cap doesn't have the healing factor, he doesn't get tired so the fight can go on for awhile. I say Wolvie beats Cap 5/10 times.

[CanaryFan]

Ravager

[J'adore]

Ravager

[Genesis 1.0]

To be fair Gen Wolverine beating Cap and Shang Chi is just ridiculous. He wouldn't of won those fights if he wasn't so popular, that's all it is.

He'd maybe put up a good fight against Steve if he went beserk. But against friggin Shang Chi? C'mon... if that fight was written logically Wolverine would of been pissed on. Probably literally after being laid out on the floor.

I still dunno who i'm gonna vote on in this match though.

Ah, here we go again Ladies. Logan's extensive martial arts abilities are a valid and recurring part of his character that gets pushed into the far corner because he sells better as a hack and slash guy. There's alot of other characters that have abilities they rarely ever use and I always get the 'just because they don't use it often doesn't mean they don't have it' mantra, so let's apply the facts, shall we?

So here's the thing, yes, Wolverine has knowledge of a wide variety of martial arts. But essentially, he is a brawler; always has been, always will be. Does that make him any less of a martial artist? No. It is simply more to his style to throw hooks and haymakers, that to do spinning roundhouse kicks, and back flips. Where Wolverines knowledge of various martial arts styles truly comes into play, is how to counter all of the fancy maneouvers with his brawler style.

Everyone holds up Cap as this great fighter and Wolverine has beaten him repeatedly. Wolverine Origins 4~5 they fight back and forth, but eventually Cyclops, Emma Frost, and Hellion force Logan to stop before he kills Cap. In the fight Logan loses the use of his claws early on and Cap has both his shield and the muramasa sword. Long story short Logan won, not by berserker claws but by being smart. He gives Cap a "femoral artery pseudo-aneurysm" by attacking an artery in his leg, he did it because he isn't just good at hacking people up he is smart...at least in the ways of hurting someone.

Wolverine may have a rough style, but when written correctly he is still a HIGHLY skilled and controlled fighter. He OWNED Shang Chi a few years back. In mid-fight Shang Chi was amazed that despite Logan's semmingly rough, animalistic , wild fighting style....he still showed the skill and control of a disciplined samurai......He defeated Shang Chi in a few short panels.

Surfer, you say Ravager's Precog works, 'eh? Wolverine's TRUE key to fighting (aside from skill, speed, and reflexes) is the seemless connection he has between thought and action......Several psychics like Xavier and Psylocke have found that w/ Logan though and action are one . A psychic cannot predict or counter Logan's moves like they can w/ others. They flow as one.

Wolverine DUSTED Psylocke because she couldn't predict his movements, and you think that F'N Ravager can? Pfft.

Long story short: Cut the sh____. Wolverine's a badass and skilled martial artist who's clearly in Ravager, Deathstroke, or damn near anyone else's league.

4-3 Wolverine

[Sparta*]

Logan

[Majic Walrus]

This is a hard fight. I think that Ravager and Logan are basically on par with fighting skills. Ravager does have precognitive abilities that are to help her in this fight. Her physical traits have been enhanced which could give her an edge, but... She ain't in it for the long run. Her healing factor isn't as advanced as Logan's. Plus Logan has been known to use full advantage of his unorthodox tactics. I think it's a long run but 8/10 times I give it to Wolvie.

[Anubis]

Ah, here we go again Ladies. Logan's extensive martial arts abilities are a valid and recurring part of his character that gets pushed into the far corner because he sells better as a hack and slash guy. There's alot of other characters that have abilities they rarely ever use and I always get the 'just because they don't use it often doesn't mean they don't have it' mantra, so let's apply the facts, shall we?

So here's the thing, yes, Wolverine has knowledge of a wide variety of martial arts. But essentially, he is a brawler; always has been, always will be. Does that make him any less of a martial artist? No. It is simply more to his style to throw hooks and haymakers, that to do spinning roundhouse kicks, and back flips. Where Wolverines knowledge of various martial arts styles truly comes into play, is how to counter all of the fancy maneouvers with his brawler style.

Everyone holds up Cap as this great fighter and Wolverine has beaten him repeatedly. Wolverine Origins 4~5 they fight back and forth, but eventually Cyclops, Emma Frost, and Hellion force Logan to stop before he kills Cap. In the fight Logan loses the use of his claws early on and Cap has both his shield and the muramasa sword. Long story short Logan won, not by berserker claws but by being smart. He gives Cap a "femoral artery pseudo-aneurysm" by attacking an artery in his leg, he did it because he isn't just good at hacking people up he is smart...at least in the ways of hurting someone.

Wolverine may have a rough style, but when written correctly he is still a HIGHLY skilled and controlled fighter. He OWNED Shang Chi a few years back. In mid-fight Shang Chi was amazed that despite Logan's semmingly rough, animalistic , wild fighting style....he still showed the skill and control of a disciplined samurai......He defeated Shang Chi in a few short panels.

Surfer, you say Ravager's Precog works, 'eh? Wolverine's TRUE key to fighting (aside from skill, speed, and reflexes) is the seemless connection he has between thought and action......Several psychics like Xavier and Psylocke have found that w/ Logan though and action are one . A psychic cannot predict or counter Logan's moves like they can w/ others. They flow as one.

Wolverine DUSTED Psylocke because she couldn't predict his movements, and you think that F'N Ravager can? Pfft.

Long story short: Cut the sh____. Wolverine's a badass and skilled martial artist who's clearly in Ravager, Deathstroke, or damn near anyone else's league.

4-3 Wolverine


I gotta tell ya, that sounds like complete and utter bulls**t.

I'll vote Wolverine, but stop trying to make excuses for s**ty writing.

[Ace of Knaves]

LOL Yea that was in Wolverine Origins correct Gen? Now i'm a fan of Way due to his earlier writing of Deadpool (which has really gone downhill) but his run on Wolverine was pretty terrible. (apart from the Deadpool arc :D).

I know Wolverine is a highly skilled martial artist, but there is no way in hell he could beat Shang Chi if written properly. And there is no way in hell he could pull a fast one on Steve Rogers so easily as in Origins.

But saying all that, I think Wolverine has too much for Ravager.

[Genesis 1.0]

Jesus, he beat Cap in his Annual. CAP"S OWN BOOK.

Forge's scanners showed that Wolverine's mental state in a fight is similar to an enraged Gorilla.....however he was formulating VERY complex battle maneuvers, counters, and attacks in midfight. He truly cuts loose and goes ape*****, however his subconcious mind is still allowing him to complete very high level fighting manuevers. Forge said that while his brain was in a crazed animalistic state, what he was doing in battle was akin to a someone winning 4 chess games simultaneously while performing some very difficult Olympic level routines

It kills me when people try and discredit an arc as shi__y writing simply because they don't agree with it.

So if you're one of the many intent on seeing him as a dumb truck capable of nothing but the burly brawl then you're just f____ing stuck. No matter how many times it's shown to the contrary. :o

[Silicon Surfer]

The problem Gen, is that nothing that you have said has anything to do with precog working. Xavier and Psylocke are telepaths and have slower reactions. Even if they can perceive his thoughts they are too slow in mind to process them. Ravager on the other hand is superhumanly fast and if she is as fast as Deathstroke what evidence there is, though unofficial, is that she would be significantly faster than Logan. In their only meeting that I know of in X-Men/ Teen Titans, Deathstroke moved so fast to evade Wolvie's attack that Wolvie couldn't even see him move.

[Hound55]

Jesus, he beat Cap in his Annual. CAP"S OWN BOOK.

Forge's scanners showed that Wolverine's mental state in a fight is similar to an enraged Gorilla.....however he was formulating VERY complex battle maneuvers, counters, and attacks in midfight. He truly cuts loose and goes ape*****, however his subconcious mind is still allowing him to complete very high level fighting manuevers. Forge said that while his brain was in a crazed animalistic state, what he was doing in battle was akin to a someone winning 4 chess games simultaneously while performing some very difficult Olympic level routines

It kills me when people try and discredit an arc as shi__y writing simply because they don't agree with it.

So if you're one of the many intent on seeing him as a dumb truck capable of nothing but the burly brawl then you're just f____ing stuck. No matter how many times it's shown to the contrary. :o
I don't see him as a dumb truck capable of nothing but burly brawn, but beating Shang f***ing Chi in a few short panels is other-worldly retarded, pure and simple. Its completely inconsistent with the history of each character. I'm not saying that Wolverine COULDN'T beat Shang Chi ever, but in that fashion its just poor writing.

[Genesis 1.0]

The problem Gen, is that nothing that you have said has anything to do with precog working. Xavier and Psylocke are telepaths and have slower reactions. Even if they can perceive his thoughts they are too slow in mind to process them. Ravager on the other hand is superhumanly fast and if she is as fast as Deathstroke what evidence there is, though unofficial, is that she would be significantly faster than Logan. In their only meeting that I know of in X-Men/ Teen Titans, Deathstroke moved so fast to evade Wolvie's attack that Wolvie couldn't even see him move.

So you're saying that Psylocke with her consistently TK enhanced Speed is nowhere near as fast as Ravager? BS. She's a much better telepath with good Speed that's adept at reading incoming moves and she failed miserably.

As it was stated, people with telepathic abilities can use a form of precognition because they can precieve their opponent's thought and intent and avoid the blow that follows. Wolverine's actions & thoughts flow as one, so there's nothing to predict, nothing to anticipate.

As to you quoting F'N crossovers........yeah.

Hound: We'll have to settle for that and you saying that Wolverine could beat Shang Chi, just not in so quick a manner is more than most of anyone else would admit.


All that being said, I'm voting for Ravager. She's got a decent edge in Strength from what I've seen and I do believe she's faster than Logan by a fair margin. Her energy blades won't cut through Logan's bones but they will cause some pretty nasty damage to EVERYTHING else connected to them. In addition to that her superior Strength and Speed will allow her to get around Logan's guard often enough to deliver blows that'd take a toll on him even with a healing factor and that shiz still hurts like hell.

Sabretooth's shown before that with a better edge in Speed and Strength, not to mention a psychotic nature, you can eek out a victory over Logan and I'd say Rose has the tools to win 5.5 outta 10. It's just going to take a LONG time.

Ravager

8-4 Wolverine

[Teth-Adam.]

close one......could go either way, with both being highly capable hand-to-hand combatants. However, Ravager's strength/speed advantage, for me, won't make up for the fact that her healing factor just isn't sufficient for this one. Wolvie can and will land hits, and he is experienced enough, skilled enough and brutal enough to make them count.

Course, i can see logan underestimating ravager from the start, and it could be argued that this would be his downfall. however, i just don't see rose capitalising to the necessary extent before logan recovers. She doesn't know straight away that she has to make every blow huge in terms of impact, giving logan enough of a reprieve to turn the tide.

Deathstroke would defeat him though.

[Genesis 1.0]

Probably.

9-4 Wolverine

[PemLam]

Wolverine

[Genesis 1.0]

Precog or no, Wolverine slices and dices Ravager 10-4.

[Genesis 1.0]

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Deadpool & Deathstroke

VS

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Warpath & Hawkman

[Sparta*]

Deadpool and Deathstroke

[Silicon Surfer]

Deadpool and Deathstroke

[GlasgowBat]

deadpool and deathstroke. Either can give a severe headache(bordering, in fact, on migraine territory) to the opposition.

deathstroke knows enough about hawkman to take him down, and has done so, which makes it two on one.

warpath, as such, is going down.

[SuperFerret]

Warpath and Hawkman beat Deathstroke after Slade shoots Wade in the face.

[Docker2.0]

Warpath and Hawkman.

[Anubis]

Theres no way in hell DP and Deathstroke would work well together. I think the fact that Slade is such a stick in the mud would ultimately be their downfall.

[Ace of Knaves]

:funny: Yea i think Wade would wind Deathstroke up too much. Slade surprises Wade and shoots him in the face with his staff, putting Deadpool out of action for at least, oh i dunno half an hour.

I think Slade or Deadpool could take Warpath one on one though.

And i think Slade is tactically adept enough to isolate Warpath long enough to do him in.

But then Hawkman smashes Slade.

Deadpool wakes up, notices Slade battered on the floor, starts to take the piss out of him, only to turn around and be greeted by Hawkman's mace.

So poor Wade has had to regenerate his head twice in one day :(

Pains me to say it... Warpath and Hawkman. Well, Hawkman really.

[Silicon Surfer]

Deathstroke prides himself too much on his professionalism to turn on on Wade until after the fight is over. Then he would have the time to do a proper, workmanlike job on Wade. Hawkman is a non-factor in the fight. He is too pitifully slow to hit Slade and even Wade would probably have little trouble. What good is Hawkman's mace and strength when in mid swing his opponent simply isn't there anymore and he can't even see where he went? Warpath has some super speed so he could put up some fight but he is effectively fighting alone.

[Ace of Knaves]

Hawkman has some level of super speed too doesn't he?

[Silicon Surfer]

Not that I have ever seen. With all the changes to the character it is not impossible that one of them had it but not that I know of. His powers are strength, durability, flight, and enhanced eyesight.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well flight is a big advantage against non fliers to be fair.

Unless you wanna say Deathstroke running rings around Superman was logical writing...

[Silicon Surfer]

Slade is fast enough to take down Wally.... consistently. In fact AFAIK he has never missed. In the X-Men/ Teen Titans crossover, which is of course non canon, Slade evaded Wolverine's attack so fast that Logan never saw him move. Wolverine does have slightly faster than human speed and reflexes.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well see that is just illogical i think.

I read all of of Deathstrokes first series back in the day and his feats were never on the level of taking down a Flash. He is a thorough bad ass. No doubt about it. But taking down a Flash? C'mon...

Sounds like writers just hyping Deathstroke up to me. Same way writers make Wolverine give Hulk a good fight.

[Nathan]

Heh...

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But no, I agree that Slade is too much of a pro to cap is only ally, simply because he gets annoyed. Though after the fight all bets are off.

I don't see Hawkman being too much of a big threat, either of them had handled more powerful and dangerous opponents. Sure, flight is an advantage, but he'll still have to fly in close to use his mace.

Then there's Warpath. I honestly don't know too much about him, I only read about his powers and know what he is capable of on paper. He seems like a good challenge with his speed, strength and combat training. But with Hawkman gone, it would be two one. The last time I saw Deadpool encounter the X-Men, he handled 4 of them by himself, including Colossus. Though he pretty much had lost once Colossus grabbed him, but the dude is unconventional. He smashed his own face against that of Colossus and then pretty much distracted him with disgust by showing his completely smashed in Freddy Krueger face and then bled profusely over his entire face.

So I can see Deathstroke using the fact that Deadpool pretty much can't die to his advantage. Heck, maybe Deadpool himself will pull the same stunt again. Anyway, I can see Warpath being distracted enough to be taken out. Warpath might have some resistance to most common firearms, but Deathstroke probably wouldn't hesitate to use a grenade, even with Deadpool being right next to Warpath. Heck, that would probably be the perfect opportunity for Deathstroke to get rid of Deadpool as well.

I give this one to Deathstroke and Deadpool. With Deathstroke being the last man standing and leaving Deadpool alone to heal up over the next hour.

[Ace of Knaves]

haha yea he blinded Colossus with his own blood. Only Deadpool would think of something like that :funny:

[Silicon Surfer]

Slade has been taking Wally down with contemptuous ease since the '70's when Wally was with the Titans. He did it to him again awhile back when Slade fought the JLA.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but see, to me, that makes about as much sense as Batman sparking Superman out.

[Silicon Surfer]

Slade not only has superhuman physical attributes, he has a superhuman brain as well. It seems to function like a tactical computer, allowing him to anticipate all possible outcomes and predict his opponents movements fairly precisely.

[Nathan]

Does that even help against an opponent who's so fast, that you appear to be standing still? What good does it do to be able to anticipate the next move, when your opponent is almost capable to hit you from a dozen different angles in the fraction of a second?

I haven't read any of these encounters, but Deathstroke being able to take out Flash, multiple times at that, is complete bull.

[Ace of Knaves]

Slade not only has superhuman physical attributes, he has a superhuman brain as well. It seems to function like a tactical computer, allowing him to anticipate all possible outcomes and predict his opponents movements fairly precisely.

Yea i know that man. Slade can use like 90% of his brain or whatever.

But still, Flash can LITERALLY be in 5 places at once he is so fast (probably more)

Does that even help against an opponent who's so fast, that you appear to be standing still? What good does it do to be able to anticipate the next move, when your opponent is almost capable to hit you from a dozen different angles in the fraction of a second?

I haven't read any of these encounters, but Deathstroke being able to take out Flash, multiple times at that, is complete bull.

Exactly. Like i said, it's exactly the same as when Wolverine gives Hulk a hard time. Or if Batman could beat Superman.

I'm not taking anything away from Slade. I know his a thorough, thorough bad ass mutha****a. But taking out a Flash is just totally illogical.

[Nathan]

Exactly. Like i said, it's exactly the same as when Wolverine gives Hulk a hard time. Or if Batman could beat Superman.

Deathstroke taking out Flash is worse actually. I can believe that Wolverine could actually cut Hulk once before getting knocked into the next country or Batman taking out Superman with the Kryptonite ring, since it's his only weakness. But Deathstroke taking out Flash? How does that happen?

[Hound55]

Deathstroke taking out Flash is worse actually. I can believe that Wolverine could actually cut Hulk once before getting knocked into the next country or Batman taking out Superman with the Kryptonite ring, since it's his only weakness. But Deathstroke taking out Flash? How does that happen?

The only logical way that I can see it is if we are expected tobelieve that Flash operates at a far faster level that he's capable of thinking and reacting to and that Slade's mind operates efficiently enough to anticipate Flash's moves and deliver an appropriate counter (extremely well-timed, albeit considerably slower than Flash can move at).

As much of a pro as Slade is, Wade is still Wade. There is no comparison when talking hypothetical teammates to Slade. If ANYONE could make Deathstroke take a swing at a teammate mid-bout its DP.

If that happens it could slow things down enough to allow Hawkman to become a factor with that nth metal mace, or worse still... the claw of Horus. Which will incapacitate one of these two faster than DP could give a Bill Paxton-esque "Game over, man. Game over."

[Silicon Surfer]

If Deathstroke can deduce what he is going to do and when, then he can attack a particular point before Wally gets to it and time it so that the attack arrives at the same time that Wally does.

[Nathan]

Compared to Flash, Deathstroke moves at a snail's pace. Probably even slower. So, even if he knew Flash would attack from behind, he'd still be basically turning around in slowmotion.

[Hound55]

If Deathstroke can deduce what he is going to do and when, then he can attack a particular point before Wally gets to it and time it so that the attack arrives at the same time that Wally does.

But that is very much dependent on Wally not being able to think as fast as he can move... because if he could he'd just react to Slade's counter attempts and beat the crap out of him.

[Nathan]

I also remember Wally being able to instantaneous go into superspeed when he felt a bullet at the back of his neck. You can't catch him more off guard than that. He didn't even know it was coming, he simply reacted and everything around him practically froze in place.

[Hound55]

I also remember Wally being able to instantaneous go into superspeed when he felt a bullet at the back of his neck. You can't catch him more off guard than that. He didn't even know it was coming, he simply reacted and everything around him practically froze in place.
By that measure though... what good is a guy with a cold gun... or Captain Boomerang..?

To me the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

To me its dumb that Slade can take Flash out but they've already set a precedent... dumb as it may be. They've then backed it up with several other match-ups... to me, as dumb as it is, I can more easily accept that than Wolverine beating Shang Chi in a few panels.

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, never thought Hawkman would be discounted so easily. Good thing I didn't use Nightcrawler or Scarlet Spider like I was going to, 'eh Ace? :o

I think you guys are seriously underestimating Warpath. He's easily the strongest and most Durable, although not possessing the highest healing factor he still has a very respectable one. Those blades are still like adamanitum aren't they? In addition, he too can fly if he chooses.

And yes, he needs all that to compensate for facing Deathstroke and the F'N Mad Hatter from Hell, Deadpool.

In all honesty, I think Hawkman's the first to go down as well although not so easily as it's being put out there. He'll do some damage to Wade's ass before he does though, nasty temper. Even when it's finally 2 on 1, with Warpath lifting trucks and knocking down Sentinels with his bare hands, I'd say he's going to give Wade & Slade Hell. Just keep those blades away from Deathstroke OR Deadpool.

Ya, know if they chose to, Wade & Slade might be one of the highest selling and most entertaining comic series of all time. :)

4-4 TIE

[Hound55]

Heh, never thought Hawkman would be discounted so easily. Good thing I didn't use Nightcrawler or Scarlet Spider like I was going to, 'eh Ace? :o

I think you guys are seriously underestimating Warpath. He's easily the strongest and most Durable, although not possessing the highest healing factor he still has a very respectable one. Those blades are still like adamanitum aren't they? In addition, he too can fly if he chooses.

And yes, he needs all that to compensate for facing Deathstroke and the F'N Mad Hatter from Hell, Deadpool.

In all honesty, I think Hawkman's the first to go down as well although not so easily as it's being put out there. He'll do some damage to Wade's ass before he does though, nasty temper. Even when it's finally 2 on 1, with Warpath lifting trucks and knocking down Sentinels with his bare hands, I'd say he's going to give Wade & Slade Hell. Just keep those blades away from Deathstroke OR Deadpool.

Ya, know if they chose to, Wade & Slade might be one of the highest selling and most entertaining comic series of all time. :)

4-4 TIE
I don't know... Nightcrawler'd be an interesting match-up instead of Hawkman. At this point Hawkman's kind of a trump card though... if Slade can't take any more of Wade and tries to take him out whilst both Warpath and Hawkman are still breathing Hawkman becomes one heck of a heavy-hitter... With both out there though he's just not fast enough to contend.

[Nathan]

By that measure though... what good is a guy with a cold gun... or Captain Boomerang..?

To me the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Well, I always thought his rogues gallery was rather lackluster. But you're right about that last line.

[Ace of Knaves]

Warpath has a healing factor?!?!

[Nathan]

From what I've read, he apparently heals faster than normal humans, but even Marvel hasn't listed it as a power. So it probably can't compete with Slades and especially not with Deadpool's.

[Ace of Knaves]

Ah i see.

I knew he had super strength, super durability and enhanced speed.

But wait, he can ****ing fly as well? Where you getting that from Gen?

[Nathan]

Here's what I found on Wikipedia.

His power of flight was discovered by his one-time mentor and team leader Peter Wisdom, who analyzed his mutation after the High Evolutionary devolved and re-evolved all mutants on Earth, and forced James to incorporate this ability in his fighting style.

This power has not been depicted in later comic story-lines though, as current head X-Writer Ed Brubaker has said that he chose not to depict Warpath's flight power because he didn't understand how Warpath's speed and strength would allow it. However, his fighting style in the X-Men: Messiah Complex storyline has shown him to return to using his flight powers.

In X-Force he can be seen flying even for long distances.

[CanaryFan]

Depends on what version of Wade we're talking about. He's beaten whole teams of super powered heroes but he's also lost to Green Arrow. I'll take Hawkman and Warpath.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well, i've totally underestimated Warpath then.

[Majic Walrus]

I'll take Deadpool and Deathstroke. Hawkman and Warpath are no 2-bit heroes. Hawkman as incredibly fighting skills and the air advantage. Warpath is also a pretty excellent hand-to-hand fighter as well.

However neither of them are as fast and smart as Deathstroke or as crazy as Deadpool. Neither of them have a healing factor that holds a candle to Wade's and neither of them have as much versatility in combat as Slade does.

Don't get me wrong I don't think it'll be an easy fight really but Slade can take out Hawkman fairly quickly on. While Warpath is busy beating Wade up to no avail Deathstroke finishes him off in a two-on-one.

[PemLam]

Warpath and Hawkman

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Hawkman and Warpath

[Genesis 1.0]

I don't know... Nightcrawler'd be an interesting match-up instead of Hawkman. At this point Hawkman's kind of a trump card though... if Slade can't take any more of Wade and tries to take him out whilst both Warpath and Hawkman are still breathing Hawkman becomes one heck of a heavy-hitter... With both out there though he's just not fast enough to contend.

His teleportation would make him fast enough and damn deadly even to Deathstroke who can't predict when someone's going to appear out of another dimension, but I had this nagging feeling he'd be counted out early and seeing what's happened to Hawkman, I'd say I was right. But Nightcrawler's blitzing abilities are always interesting.

I removed Scarlet Spider because he's pull Slade's arms off and beat him with 'em.:o

Hawkman's main advantage is flight since he's not the stronger, faster, or more durable of the other 3 participants.

7-5 Hawkman & Warpath

[Silicon Surfer]

Nightcrawler with his rapiers would be an interesting match. Hth he would be useless since either Slade or Wade could afford to simply ignore him and tank his attacks. Also since even Cyclops has managed to attack Kurt after a 'port and before he can attack Slade definitely could hit him. Waving three swords around as he appears makes for a slightly more perilous situation however. Scarlet Spider would be a good match for Slade since they are probably close in strength and speed.

[Nathan]

Close in strength and speed? We're talking here about Ben Reilly, right? Or are there any other Scarlet Spiders I don't know of? Scarlet Spider can lift 10 tons and dodge streams of gunfire, while Slade has the strength of 10 men and enhanced reflexes.

[Silicon Surfer]

Slade's strength and speed have never been adequately quantified. He has indeed been stated to "have the strength of 10 men" and to be 10x as fast as a human. He has also shown feats that indicate that he is above those levels such as holding his own in hth with Wonder Woman.

[Nathan]

How was he holding his own? I can buy it that he's able to outmaneuver her and "dance" around with her a bit, as long as she doesn't land a direct hit that takes him out instantly. But if you tell me that he could actually knock her around, then I say bull to this again.

[Genesis 1.0]

LMFAO

Deathstroke even in terms of Strength & Speed with Scarlet Spider?! With Ben Reilly?

You crack me up Surfer.

[Ace of Knaves]

It's not his fault. It's the crap DC writers who write him above his station.

[Genesis 1.0]

Just a Wolverine dusted Shang Chi in a few panels. :o

[Ace of Knaves]

:funny: Exactly. Happens to pretty much every character ever though if we are honest.

[Silicon Surfer]

Throughout his entire history Slade has routinely gone up against super strong foes. Donna Troy, Cyborg, Starfire and more recently Wonder Woman. While the "reality" of it certainly should be questioned it has been consistent throughout Slade's 30 or so years of comic history. As I said above his strength and speed levels have not been adequately established. However to accomplish what he consistently does he does requires a fairly high level of strength and speed.

[PaleRider]

this is another tough fight but I have to go with Deadpool and Deathstroke.

[Docker2.0]

I can't believe this fight is even close. :huh: Hawkman and Warpath would wipe the floor with Wade and Slade.

[Ace of Knaves]

lolwut?

How did you figure that?

The only way you can stop Deadpool is by decapitation... and even then that's only temporary. Who says either Warpath or Hawkman could decapitate him? Deadpool has got Captain America level speed, agility and relfexes too, somethings people tend to forget about when talking about Deadpool, for some strange reason. Plus you know, the guy carries more weapons than a Spetznaz platoon on him even on trips to the local Taco Bell.

Deathstroke is a thorough, thorough bad mutha****er. (not Flash beating levels though mind!)

But saying all that i still voted for Warpath and Hawkman. But there is no way in hell it'd be easy.

[Docker2.0]

Not saying it'd be easy but before it's all said and done, they'd be wiping the floor with them. Slade may use 90% of his brain and DP healing factor and just straight up crazy behavior will help them but Warpath alone will will give them both trouble at one time. You add Hawkman in there and you got a guaranteed grade A beatdown.

[Teth-Adam.]

deathstroke and deadpool, walrus's analysis of the fight made sense to me

[Majic Walrus]

deathstroke and deadpool, walrus's analysis of the fight made sense to me

:wow: Thanks!




Suck it Gen.

[Genesis 1.0]

-10 Points for being applauded by Teth Adam. The only guy here less respected than yourself.

If Hell has a basement, you & he have a condo there. :o

Ace: Come on, if Warpath is dropping Sentinels barehanded with better reflexes than DP then he can literally rip Wade's head off his shoulders, no knives needed.

I agree it'll be drawn out but questioning whether Deadpool can even be decapitated is ridunkulous.

7-7 TIE

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm questioning if he can be caught, to be decapitated. He ain't no slouch. I'm not saying he can't be decapitated. He' still flesh and bone. Horribly disfigured flesh but you get the point.

[Genesis 1.0]

Well Warpath IS easily the fastest guy in this bout. Hell I've seen him move far faster than Deadpool, Carter, or Slade. He's not Quicksilver but he's a hell of a sight faster than say a Cap.

[GlasgowBat]

Warpath would need, however, to get a hold of deadpool before removing aforementioned head.

easier said than done with wade throwing all that hardware, and lunacy, his way.

I do realise that none of this has been contested, but still.

(hope this doesn't lose me any respect points.........)

[Ace of Knaves]

I think you make a valid point.

Deadpool would blow himself up to blow his enemy up. He's done it before.