The Ultimate DC/Marvel Tournament

[Genesis 1.0]

Onslaught never obtained Nate or Franklin's powers. He tried to take them but they were too strong for him. Instead he reached into Franklin's mind and manipulated his powers to do what he wanted such as creating the second sun.

This is what they call 'same difference'. The end result is the same.

Honestly, I think Darkseid would actually enjoy this fight; an opponent as heartless and relentless as he is that doesn't die easily. As to Onslaught, if it's possible for it to feel frustration, this would be the time.

9-9 TIE

[GlasgowBat]

Onslaught isn't actually a psionic entity according to wikipedia so...can the omege sanction work against something that can't physically be destroyed??

Oh and the recent Batman comics revealed that the Omega Sanction doesn't actually destroy things it just sends people into a past part of their history and leaves them there or something...

yup. and sending an opponent back to caveman days would most certainly count as a win.

[Genesis 1.0]

Ah crap, someone's gotta break this f'n tie. :o

[Hound55]

*Grapple lines into thread*

Well to me it comes down to whether Onslaught can get into Darkseid's head, followed closely by whether the omega effect can mess with Onslaught...

I'm gonna back Onslaught on this one...

Hound away!

*Grapple lines to the horizon before stopping to double over and suck in air*

[J'adore]

Darkseid

[Hound55]

And we're back to a tie again...

[louiebling$]

Really....... a tie...... :dry:


Hound comes in with the Tie Breaker and now this

:doh:

[J'adore]

Unless of course my vote doesn't count?

[trustyside-kick]

You voted before the match was declared done so your vote counts. Don't sweat it. They are just being meanies. :cwink:

[Sparta*]

I dont like it, but Onslaught takes this IMO

[Docker2.0]

Agreed Sparta! I think Darkseid is the best overall villian in the DCU and Onslaught is a WTF character but honestly, I just think he'd edge out Darkseid, though barely.

[Docker2.0]

Agreed Sparta! I think Darkseid is the best overall villian in the DCU and Onslaught is a WTF character but honestly, I just think he'd edge out Darkseid, though barely.

[Genesis 1.0]

THANK YOU Sparta. Nice try, Hound, lol.

Quite possibly the most infamous and diabolical characters not just of the DC Universe, but in comics as a whole, god of Apokolips, Darkseid takes on the monster born of the strongest minds in the Marvel Universe, Onslaught. Darkseid analyzes and deduces several ways to eliminate Onslaught...only to watch as the psionic creature resurrects itself in a stronger form and the battle rages on through several planets. In the end, even Darkseid falls to Onslaught after a battle worthy of a god, 11-10.

[SuperFerret]

BOO-urns!

[Genesis 1.0]

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Makkari & Iceman

VS

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The Flash & The Human Torch

[SuperFerret]

Flash and the Torch.

[J'adore]

Flash & Human Torch

[Genesis 1.0]

Just for those unfamiliar with the Eternal Makkari, he runs beyond Light Speed and possess super strength & durability. So Speed wise, he's matched with Wally.

2-0 Flash & Torch

[Parker Wayne]

Flash and Torch

[SuperFerret]

Just for those unfamiliar with the Eternal Makkari, he runs beyond Light Speed and possess super strength & durability. So Speed wise, he's matched with Wally.

2-0 Flash & Torch

I researched him. Seems interesting. I still think Wally's speed force powers trump him though.

[Anubis]

Sure, he's fast as if not faster than Wally. And he's got super strength which is pretty much par for the course with Eternals, (Like Asgardians) but that's about it. He can't vibrate his molocules, he can't speed s**t up, steal speed, none of that. I think the lack of those little speed skills is what would give Wally the edge. As far as Ice Man and the Torch, I don't know. Last I saw Torch still hadn't graduated from the whole, spray me with water or freeze me and It's over. Only in alternate Universes where he grows up and stops being a chump. So, I guess I'll go with Makkari and Bobby. Cuz after Bobby puts the Torch down, He might just be able to help Makkari out enough to secure a win....though Ice Man ain't got s**t on Captain Cold when it comes to actual use of the power of Ice.

[SuperFerret]

I figure Wally could deal with both of them, even without the Torch's help.

[Anubis]

I think you seriously underestimate Makkari.

[SuperFerret]

I probably do, but still.

[Silicon Surfer]

Makkari has appeared very little and I doubt if we have seen all of his tricks. His speed is a result of both intensive training and scientific research of his own. He knows far more about speed than Wally will likely ever know. Given that Makkari's speed is cosmic energy derived and controlled by him Wally's ability to speed steal is anything but guaranteed. If it comes down to a contest over the control of speed energy then I believe that Makkari wins easily. Torch might or might not be able to defeat Iceman. Wally is the weak link here. Makkari/Iceman ftw.

[Anubis]

^Now that guy doesn't know wtf he's talking about.

[SuperFerret]

Torch is the weakest link here. Bobby's quite powerful, and the fact that Makkari is an Eternal shows that he's quite formidable, but as I've said Wally's got the skills, the power and the experience to win this, provided he doesn't get distracted by the Torch's ass-whooping.

[Genesis 1.0]

I also don't think having his molecules vibrated apart will bother Makkari seeing as Eternals have a degree of control over their molecules and they can recover or rearrange them at will. One of the main reasons I chose Makkari for this match in the first place.

I'll go for the popularity upset.

Makkari & Iceman


3-3 TIE

[SuperFerret]

Wait, we are talking about Wally West as the Flash, right? Because I think that might be a picture of Barry.

[Anubis]

As far as I'm concerned Barry's still dead.

[trustyside-kick]

Bobby is a threat to not only Torch but if you ask me more importantly Wally. Like Captain Cold's special gun Bobby can literally slow down everything around him with his ice powers. And while Makkari isn't as fast as Wally but up there, the fact that he also has super strength outweighs Wally being faster. Wally doesn't have super strength. His "super strength" comes from him hitting someone so damn fast. So here with Makkari you have a dude who can not only hit you really hard, it's really hard at a speed faster than light.

Makkari & Bobby

[SuperFerret]

:csad:

I like Barry, and I'm liking his title now that he's back, but I don't think he should've been resurrected, and I'm disappointed in Wally's MIA status in the DCU. If this is indeed Barry Allen in this match, then I'm changing my vote.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Having trouble deciding. Makari takes Flash but Torch takes Ice-man. Don't know where the battle is but if Torch can go supernova he has a hell of a shot at it other wise Makkari wins!

I'll take Makkari and Drake!

[PaleRider]

Flash and Torch

[Docker2.0]

Makkari and Iceman.

[Lobo]

Flash and Torch

[Genesis 1.0]

Makkari is one of the few that probably won't be affected at all by Wally's ability to vibrate his molecules seeing as Eternals already have a great degree of control over them and shift them at will. Main reason I chose Makkari for this match against Wally otherwise it's flat.

6-5 Makkari & Iceman

[greenrage36]

I still don't buy that Makkari is the better of the two speedsters..but he's close enough so that he and Iceman win this. I think the Torch is going down first and it'll be up to the two of them against Wally...

[CanaryFan]

Makkari and Iceman

[Hound55]

Having trouble deciding. Makari takes Flash but Torch takes Ice-man. Don't know where the battle is but if Torch can go supernova he has a hell of a shot at it other wise Makkari wins!

I'll take Makkari and Drake!
It's 2 on 2 though... Matchstick can't Nova unless Makari's killed Wally/Barry... and even then I doubt he would considering his mentality.

I'll take Makari/Bobby. The fact that it's 2 on 2 makes Bobby's job easier because his use of power is less likely to cause accidental damage to a teammate. Johnny's a comparatively blunt implement for this match.

And if that's Barry rather than Wally Makari/Drake take this even easier.

[Genesis 1.0]

It's definitely Wally and it seems that Torch is getting undersold here. :o

8-5 Makkari & Iceman

[Hound55]

It's not that I don't rate Torch, it's more that I don't feel he can really unload on Bobby when he has another teammate out there at the same time. It restricts him some.

[SuperFerret]

Bobby also completely out-classes Johnny, unless Bobby got some sort of a downgrade when I wasn't looking.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Bobby also completely out-classes Johnny, unless Bobby got some sort of a downgrade when I wasn't looking.

Bobby never completely outclassed Johhny unless HE got some sort of down grade when I wasn'nt looking!

[Genesis 1.0]

lol, and THAT Sir, is Check. :o

[SuperFerret]

Isn't Bobby like an omega-level mutant or something? Johnny's gotten more powerful over the years but he's still in the upper-mid range when it comes to power. He can push himself to over his casual power limits, but it takes its toll on him.

[Silicon Surfer]

While still a teenager Johnny outclassed Doom when Doom had the Surfer's Power Cosmic. Doom had to flee for his life. It was stated then that the Torch's supernova potential could wipe out half a hemisphere. Johnny has gotten more powerful since then. He has long since progressed past the point of being easily extinguished and has even held off Namor underwater by boiling the water for yards around him without even flaming on.

[Anubis]

And yet, he got easily extinguished just last year. :o

Johnny is the poster child for inconstancy. I blame the writers, but it is what it is.

[Silicon Surfer]

And yet, he got easily extinguished just last year. :o

Johnny is the poster child for inconstancy. I blame the writers, but it is what it is.

When Sue was leaving Reed after Civil War (or during?), Johnny was standing in the rain casually shielding himself with an umbrella of fire.

[Anubis]

Like I said, Inconsistent.

[Genesis 1.0]

While still a teenager Johnny outclassed Doom when Doom had the Surfer's Power Cosmic. Doom had to flee for his life. It was stated then that the Torch's supernova potential could wipe out half a hemisphere. Johnny has gotten more powerful since then. He has long since progressed past the point of being easily extinguished and has even held off Namor underwater by boiling the water for yards around him without even flaming on.

Yo, wtf he's fighting Namor on HIS turf underwater and held his own? Boiling the water without Flaming?

Damn, I didn't even catch that one.

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

I vote for Wally and Johnny.

The Flash can go faster than the speed of light and can hit heavy since he can travel that fast so I don't know whats keeping him from just breaking Bobby's in his ice form whether he's smacking him around or just melting his ice by vibrating the molecules like a microwave does...and Johnny can keep up with Bobby sense ice does melt pretty fast if you superheat it with something like a blowtorch. Makkari I'm not too sure about since I haven't ever heard of him before...can he shake his molecules faster than Wally can seperate them from his body?

[Genesis 1.0]

'Shake'? He can rearrange them with as much ease you breathe, he has had thousands of years to get the hang of it.

I'd say experience with Speed goes to the 4 and a half thousand year old guy. :o

8-6 Makkari & Iceman

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

The Flash is to me what Batman is to Walrus. =[

[Hound55]

While still a teenager Johnny outclassed Doom when Doom had the Surfer's Power Cosmic. Doom had to flee for his life. It was stated then that the Torch's supernova potential could wipe out half a hemisphere.
Which he can't do with a teammate to worry about, and would probably avoid doing even without one (depending on the opponent) due to his mentality.
Johnny has gotten more powerful since then. He has long since progressed past the point of being easily extinguished and has even held off Namor underwater by boiling the water for yards around him without even flaming on.
Which is at the high end of this wildly inconsistancy that Anubis is talking about.

[Anubis]

'Shake'? He can rearrange them with as much ease you breathe, he has had thousands of years to get the hang of it.

I'd say experience with Speed goes to the 4 and a half thousand year old guy. :o

8-6 Makkari & Iceman


Yeah, I'd say that's boos**t. 4 thousand years and he still hasn't figured out how to lend speed, or vibrate through walls. Whatevs. :o

[Genesis 1.0]

lol, lend it to whom? His fellow Eternals that are already as fast as most superheroes and magnitudes stronger? I'm sure Ikkaris really needs that when he's already one of the strongest in the MU.

Makkari doesn't give a damn about lending his speed to anyone, or taking it away from anyone for that matter.

Vibrate through walls? lulz, that's some Wally West boos*** right thurr. Up until recently he could use energy blast to blow walls apart, why go through them? It's not his character.

Stands to reason that when you've had thousands of years to hone your Powers into ONE area, you'd know more about it than the guy that hasn't even hit the century mark. :o :o :o

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

This more I read about Makkari the more unfair this match seems to be =[

[Hound55]

This more I read about Makkari the more unfair this match seems to be =[
Yes, but it has to be to make up for the level of Hype that the other two have.

Tis a good match, Gen.

[Genesis 1.0]

I don't know about unfair, doesn't seem that many people see Makkari as the superior Speedster and in all honesty, these two teams are pretty damn evenly matched.

Thanks for the timely backup Hound.

Your check's in the mail.

[Hound55]

Honestly, I think Makkari vs Wally would be fair... As I said before making this a team bout limits Johnny somewhat. Each match-up individually is at least as interesting as the whole bout.

West/Storm's best bet is Bobby taking out Johnny and then Bobby getting in the way and accidentally freezing Makkari, and Wally seizes his opportunity and takes out Makkari followed by Bobby...

And that's if Wally CAN take that opportunity and take Makkari out quick...

So yeah, Makkari/Bobby.

[Anubis]

lol, lend it to whom? His fellow Eternals that are already as fast as most superheroes and magnitudes stronger? I'm sure Ikkaris really needs that when he's already one of the strongest in the MU.

Makkari doesn't give a damn about lending his speed to anyone, or taking it away from anyone for that matter.

Vibrate through walls? lulz, that's some Wally West boos*** right thurr. Up until recently he could use energy blast to blow walls apart, why go through them? It's not his character.

Stands to reason that when you've had thousands of years to hone your Powers into ONE area, you'd know more about it than the guy that hasn't even hit the century mark. :o :o :o

Which makes him look worse by comparison. Cuz he hasn't learned how to do a GD thing. Much easier to win a fight by stealing all an opponents momentum and leaving them stuck as a statue for eternity than to run around and punch em. I mean, a highfalutin Eternal like him you'd think would be doing that every time he got into a fight. But he doesn't, cuz he can't. Guess he spent most of those eons banging Sersi and not studying up on just what he can do. (assuming he actually could do such things in the first place.)

[Hound55]

Which makes him look worse by comparison. Cuz he hasn't learned how to do a GD thing. Much easier to win a fight by stealing all an opponents momentum and leaving them stuck as a statue for eternity than to run around and punch em. I mean, a highfalutin Eternal like him you'd think would be doing that every time he got into a fight. But he doesn't, cuz he can't. Guess he spent most of those eons banging Sersi and not studying up on just what he can do. (assuming he actually could do such things in the first place.)

In fairness though, how would you spend those same eons...

[Anubis]

Banging every famous hot chick ever. From Helen of Troy to Beyonce.

[Genesis 1.0]

Which makes him look worse by comparison. Cuz he hasn't learned how to do a GD thing. Much easier to win a fight by stealing all an opponents momentum and leaving them stuck as a statue for eternity than to run around and punch em. I mean, a highfalutin Eternal like him you'd think would be doing that every time he got into a fight. But he doesn't, cuz he can't. Guess he spent most of those eons banging Sersi and not studying up on just what he can do. (assuming he actually could do such things in the first place.)

For one, there's no proof Flash can even siphon Makkari's speed, seeing as he is powered by his own abilities and completely unconnected to the Speed Force of the DCU.

As to the rest, whaddaya mean he didn't learn anything? He's one of the fastest characters in the MU now and when they first began he began with a default Eternal powerset. He spent those eons learning Speed, magnifying it, creating greater and greater amounts of it in himself and forsaking the rest of his abilities.

Meh, nevermind it's a moot point arguing with you.

Just look at the Av. :o

[Anubis]

I remind you that I voted for Makkari and Iceman. This started because you started spouting boos**t that makes no sense. :o

[Genesis 1.0]

WTF difference does it make who you voted for when you're preaching the greatness of West straight from the Holy Book of Wally again?

What's bullshiz is you always low balling characters worth a damn.

There's no room for hate poisoning or comical satire on the Hype. :o

[Anubis]

I don't low ball anybody. If you'd also recall, I defended Makkari's abilities when somebody downplayed him earlier. I react when people start talking s**t. Fact is, Makkari hasn't shown any kinda use of his powers on the same level as Wally, or hell, any of DC's Speedsters. FACT. Him being 1,000s of years old is meaningless. A better arguement woulda been using the fact that he's waaaay smarter than Wally, (we're talking upper echelons of smart. Cosmic smarts) might result in him figuring out how to do some of the stuff Wally can do, or at the very least use it against him.

Also: For one, there's no proof Flash can even siphon Makkari's speed, seeing as he is powered by his own abilities and completely unconnected to the Speed Force of the DCU.
the Speed Force doesn't have anything to do with him stealing momentum. He's swiped speed from people and things that aren't speedsters at all.

[PemLam]

Flash and Torch

[Genesis 1.0]

I don't low ball anybody. If you'd also recall, I defended Makkari's abilities when somebody downplayed him earlier. I react when people start talking s**t. Fact is, Makkari hasn't shown any kinda use of his powers on the same level as Wally, or hell, any of DC's Speedsters. FACT. Him being 1,000s of years old is meaningless. A better arguement woulda been using the fact that he's waaaay smarter than Wally, (we're talking upper echelons of smart. Cosmic smarts) might result in him figuring out how to do some of the stuff Wally can do, or at the very least use it against him.

Also: the Speed Force doesn't have anything to do with him stealing momentum. He's swiped speed from people and things that aren't speedsters at all.

LOL takes on a literal meaning while reading your arguments. If it's possible to have an online ego, then you Sir are in possession of one.

So YOU decide when something's valid, even an opinion on a fight sequence, and what's bullshiz? Well thank God we have you here, otherwise how would we ever know right from wrong? Praise be for the Holy Bible of Anuibis.

Heh, it all makes sense now. I can see there's no point to continuing a debate with someone who actually believes they're right 100% of the time.


8-7 Makkari & Iceman

[trustyside-kick]

It's not about Anubis knowing everything. It is about him knowing about the characters in question. o.oa

[Silicon Surfer]

It's not about Anubis knowing everything. It is about him knowing about the characters in question. o.oa

ROFL, you should try for a career in comedy. You are really good.

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

Should the next fight be Anubis VS. Genesis?

[Sparta*]

Flash & Torch

[Anubis]

LOL takes on a literal meaning while reading your arguments. If it's possible to have an online ego, then you Sir are in possession of one.

So YOU decide when something's valid, even an opinion on a fight sequence, and what's bullshiz? Well thank God we have you here, otherwise how would we ever know right from wrong? Praise be for the Holy Bible of Anuibis.

Heh, it all makes sense now. I can see there's no point to continuing a debate with someone who actually believes they're right 100% of the time.


8-7 Makkari & Iceman

Fine, I'll take that as win then. Master debater! Not to be confused with Masturbater....though it does get lonely being right all the time. :(

By the way, you spelled my name wrong. :o

[Lobo]

SS what issue was it that Torch boiled the water around Namor? That sounds awesome and I'd like to read that full issue

[Genesis 1.0]

8-8 tie

[Silicon Surfer]

SS what issue was it that Torch boiled the water around Namor? That sounds awesome and I'd like to read that full issue

I don't have my FF anymore so I can only guess based on info from Overstreet. It might be 147. Overstreet says that had Namor in it. It has been a long time since Namor was a FF foe. He went semi mainstream for a long time.

[Harlekin]

The Flash and the Human Torch

[Chunin]

Bobby and makarri

[Docker2.0]

Longest round ever. :o

[Anubis]

I figured he woulda called in Dread by now and put an end to this.

[Genesis 1.0]

Makkari & Iceman. Makkari's an Eternal and they're annoyingly difficult to defeat.

Makkari & Iceman win 10-9.

[Genesis 1.0]

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Gorilla Grodd

VS

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Psylocke

[Silicon Surfer]

Grodd very easily. Physically and mentally far stronger.

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

Psylocke. Cus she has swords and that ass is ridonkulus

[3dman27]

psylocke

[J'adore]

Psylocke - mental block

[Hound55]

Grodd was doing fine up until the swimsuit competition...

[Docker2.0]

I want to vote Gorilla Grodd but the pic you used for Psylocke has swayed my vote. So Psylocke in a very long and hard and heated and sweaty and naked battle.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Grodd

[Genesis 1.0]

Psylocke. Cus she has swords and that ass is ridonkulus

lmfao. Nominated for Post of the Year. :awesome:

I want to vote Gorilla Grodd but the pic you used for Psylocke has swayed my vote. So Psylocke in a very long and hard and heated and sweaty and naked battle.

Yeah, that is one hell of a pic but Grodd looks respectable, right?:o

4-2 Psylocke

[Anubis]

You need to find an ass shot, or Grodd can't compete.

[LOBO3315a]

No monkey butt pics plzzkkthksbai! I'd say that Psylock would win. Her strongest mental attack is her psi-dagger, but she can also stun from a distance. She also has martial arts training from the Hand. Grodd is just a hyper intelligent gorilla. While I'm sure his monkey style is top notch, I think she'd lay the smack-down on his monkey.....well you can guess the rest.

[Anubis]

He's also has added super strength and durability to his already monstrous Gorilla frame. Guy took a punch from the Flash that started in Vegas.

[Hound55]

No monkey butt pics plzzkkthksbai! I'd say that Psylock would win. Her strongest mental attack is her psi-dagger, but she can also stun from a distance. She also has martial arts training from the Hand. Grodd is just a hyper intelligent gorilla. While I'm sure his monkey style is top notch, I think she'd lay the smack-down on his monkey.....well you can guess the rest.

The same Hand which get owned by the dozen by every Marvel street level character out there..?

Again, Grodd was doing just fine up until the swimsuit competition...

I'll go with I R Baboon for this one, but Betsy will more than hold her own. I'd like to see it, particularly from the angle Finch chose here...

[PaleRider]

Grodd

[Genesis 1.0]

The same Hand which get owned by the dozen by every Marvel street level character out there..?

Again, Grodd was doing just fine up until the swimsuit competition...

I'll go with I R Baboon for this one, but Betsy will more than hold her own. I'd like to see it, particularly from the angle Finch chose here...

Either way it's gonna be damn close and that's a lock.

5-4 Psylocke

[Lobo]

Psylocke

[greenrage36]

Either way it's gonna be damn close and that's a PSYlock.

5-4 Psylocke

there..fixed your post Gen..you can thank me later! :awesome:

I'll go with the double G for the simian-styled-stomporama!!

(and yes..he would lose badly in the swimsuit competition...)

[Silicon Surfer]

(and yes..he would lose badly in the swimsuit competition...)

It depends on who the judges are. If they are gorillas it is Psylocke who loses badly.

[greenrage36]

Man..I don't know..I think Psylock still has a chance-primate judges notwithstanding...

[PemLam]

Psylocke

[CanaryFan]

Grodd, Even if Betsy can match him telepathically he's too fast and way to strong. Maybe if she can read his intent and get lucky with a psyblade she might have a chance.

[LOBO3315a]

He's also has added super strength and durability to his already monstrous Gorilla frame. Guy took a punch from the Flash that started in Vegas.

But does durability help with psychic attacks? I was thinking a psi-blast, then chop, chop, chop with her swords/coup de gras with her psi blade.

Unless he has some sort of mental discipline I am unaware of.

And yeah, the Hand get their butts kicked regularly, but they seem to be top knotch when it comes to kidnapping heros and brainwashing them into fighting machines. Remember Besty before the Hand got hold of her? Kitty Pryde as well?

[SuperFerret]

Grodd

[Anubis]

But does durability help with psychic attacks? I was thinking a psi-blast, then chop, chop, chop with her swords/coup de gras with her psi blade.

Unless he has some sort of mental discipline I am unaware of.

And yeah, the Hand get their butts kicked regularly, but they seem to be top knotch when it comes to kidnapping heros and brainwashing them into fighting machines. Remember Besty before the Hand got hold of her? Kitty Pryde as well?


uhh, yeah, he has a high mental discipline. He's like a really high level telepath.

[SuperFerret]

Yeah, Grodd's given the Martian a run for his money before, hasn't he?

[Anubis]

A couple of times.

DC doesn't have a lot of telepaths, but the ones they do have are really powerful.

[Genesis 1.0]

As has been stated, it'd be neck and neck but I'll give the W to Betsy. Her insane agility and dexterity in combination with her own substantial speed helps her avoid most of Grodd's physical attacks, that's the easiest portion of Grodd's assault.

As to mental prowess, as with most mental abilities, both of these character's powers have a certain amount of inconsistency, but that comes with being around for so long. I'd give Grodd the deuce currently in telepathy without a doubt, but Psylocke has her own telepathy to combat it and years of experience facing and delivering mental assault, so it's a mild deterrent at best. TK goes to Betsy, and that augments her physical abilities enough for her to use her Psy-Blades on Grodd for the slim victory.

Psylocke



8-7 Psylocke

[Silicon Surfer]

Grodd also has high level tk including matter manipulation. Betsy's psi blades should have no effect on a stronger psi with the same powers. In any case if she gets that close Grodd tears her limb from limb.

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

Or he would evolve and figure out his chances of hittin that as a man is higher than that of a monkey's

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

In case it is unclear by "hittin that" I am not speaking of his chances of hurting her =]

[CanaryFan]

As has been stated, it'd be neck and neck but I'll give the W to Betsy. Her insane agility and dexterity in combination with her own substantial speed helps her avoid most of Grodd's physical attacks, that's the easiest portion of Grodd's assault.


Betsy doesn't have any super speed. She may be quick as far as human goes but a regular gorilla is about 10 times faster than any human. Grodd and the rest of gorilla city have strength and speed above regular gorillas. Her agility and speed wouldn't mean anything in this battle. her only chance would be a psychic attack but I think Grodd is stronger telepathically as well.

[trustyside-kick]

Grodd

[Anubis]

In case it is unclear by "hittin that" I am not speaking of his chances of hurting her =]


I don't know man, if he did hit that, it probably would hurt her. Evolved apes tend to end up with Gigantism. :o

[SuperFerret]

Yet gorillas have proportionately the smallest penis among all primates. And people wonder why Grodd hates humans.

[Anubis]

About 4 inches but it's thick.

[Hound55]

That answers so many questions...

[Lobo]

About 4 inches but it's thick.

actually it's 2 inches for a gorilla

[SuperFerret]

And thus "gorilla-dick" has become a credible insult. On a similar note, you'd want to be referred to as "hung like a turtle" over "hung like a horse".

[greenrage36]

While I appreciate learning new things each and every day, based on recent postings...I may consider changing my vote to Psylocke...

[trustyside-kick]

And thus "gorilla-dick" has become a credible insult. On a similar note, you'd want to be referred to as "hung like a turtle" over "hung like a horse".

So that's your area of expertise in going to school to be some sort of vet. You pervert. :oldrazz:

[SuperFerret]

It's the things I've picked up in my nearly 10 years of working with animals of all kinds. I've seen horses in heat (which is funny as hell when he's a pony and she's a draft horse, poor guy just can't reach) and the first time I saw an around turtle I thought its intestines were coming out. The gorilla thing (no pun intended) is actually fairly commonly known, since it's so silly to most people.

Also, cats have barbs on theirs. :oldrazz:

[Genesis 1.0]

Betsy doesn't have any super speed. She may be quick as far as human goes but a regular gorilla is about 10 times faster than any human. Grodd and the rest of gorilla city have strength and speed above regular gorillas. Her agility and speed wouldn't mean anything in this battle. her only chance would be a psychic attack but I think Grodd is stronger telepathically as well.

No super speed yet she's managed to keep up with characters are fast as Grodd i.e. Sabretooth, Wolverine, Beast, the latter of which commented that she must have been using her TK to augment her already considerable natural speed. So whether or not she's listed as having superhuman strength, she's displayed it regularly, so whether it's TK augmented or not, it's moot as long as it continues to make her faster.

As to the physical assault, her usual TK shields should help with that tremendously.

8-8 TIE

[GlasgowBat]

Grodd.

[Anubis]

Yeah, defiantly a good fight.

[Chunin]

Betsy Braddock

[Teth-Adam.]

Grodd would probably just eat her.
Grodd for the win.

[PemLam]

Grodd would probably just eat her.
Grodd for the win.

Well, most of us guys would probably do that. :cwink:

[Mazrim Taim]

Psylocke

[Genesis 1.0]

Grodd's a powerhouse for sure and this one is going to stretch but Ms. Braddock has shown she's taken tougher so Psylocke wins this one.

Judgement: Psylocke wins 11-10.

[Genesis 1.0]

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Nightcrawler

VS

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Ravager

[SuperFerret]

Kurt

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

Nightcrawler. It says that Ravager has 2 lightsaber things that cut through everything except flesh and thats useless unless Nightcrawler asked for a haircut...Plus he can teleport, knows how to fence and has a almost a third arm cus of his tail. Ravager is also a druggie so =[

[Silicon Surfer]

Ravager is also superhumanly strong, fast, and tough as well as precognitive. Kurt is not. Ravager ftw.

[Anubis]

Ugh, Ravager guess.

[CanaryFan]

Ravager

[Docker2.0]

Nightcrawler. Dude's agility and ability to stick to walls like Spidey, not to mention teleporting and dexterity which allows him to equally use his hands and tail equally the same gives him the edge.

[PaleRider]

Nightcrawler

[Lobo]

Ravager

[Hound55]

Ravager.

Poor bastard's gonna Bamf right into it...

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Hmmmm, Kurt I guess.

[J'adore]

Ravager

[Genesis 1.0]

It'll be friggin' sweet to see, Kurt won't go down easy but he WILL go down eventually due to Ravager's superior Strength and Durability thanks to her healing factor.

Ravager

6-6 TIE

[greenrage36]

Hmmph..I say Kurt teleports on the eyepatch side of Ravage and wins by KO. She may have some healing ability but she can still get knocked into sillyland...

[Docker2.0]

Yep! And a knockout is a win.

[Silicon Surfer]

Hmmph..I say Kurt teleports on the eyepatch side of Ravage and wins by KO. She may have some healing ability but she can still get knocked into sillyland...

Except that with her precognition she will know the place and instant that he will appear possibly even before Kurt himself decides.

[trustyside-kick]

Except that with her precognition she will know the place and instant that he will appear possibly even before Kurt himself decides.

No she won't. Her precognition isn't something she can control 100%. Sometimes it just happens to "activate".

[greenrage36]

I'm quite sure the lameness of the eyepatch will cancel out any possible precog activity..so...welcome to KO country Rose..don't forget to bring your pillow now! :awesome:

[Harlekin]

Nightcrawler

[Hound55]

No she won't. Her precognition isn't something she can control 100%. Sometimes it just happens to "activate".
It happens more often with adrenaline though, doesn't it?

I'd think fighting a guy who can pop up at any time and stick you with a kick (or more likely many kicks and punches) to the head is likely to get that adrenaline pumping.

I think this is the kind of bout that Ravager was tailormade for...

[trustyside-kick]

Yes, adrenaline is what helps it kick in but that chance of her precog powers kicking still isn't high. But you guys cannot mistake her adrenaline causes it to kick in as easily as Spider-Man's Spidey-Sense or Daredevil's own superhuman senses to.

Since her creation the precog powers kick in have always been a rarity. I'd imagine fighting Cassandra Cain, arguably one of the top fighters of the DCU, would cause her adrenaline to run much higher than fighting Nightcrawler; and those powers if memory serves me right barely if even activated when she was fighting her and Rose lost. I'm not making a stab at Kurt because he is actually my favorite Marvel character...but in this fight I don't see the precog powers giving her ANY advantage since low chance they will activate. Not in that it gives her a better chance to win. PLUS when they do, she has no power of whatever she sees.

You guys cannot put her precog powers on a pedastal. If they were as good as you guys are TRYING to make them she would like never lose. The only times they were massive was because Slade was overdosing her with shots of adrenaline. Hence one of the reasons she...hates her father?

I'm still deciding my vote.

[PemLam]

Nightcrawler

[Genesis 1.0]

8-6 Nightcrawler

[GlasgowBat]

Eh, it's a close one. Simply based upon my understanding of the characters, i'm going to have to go with Nightcrawler.

Sure, if Rose went about it in a certain way, she'd take him. Without question. But i just don't think she would.

Nightcrawler.

[trustyside-kick]

Nightcrawler

[J'adore]

Kurt!

[Genesis 1.0]

Alright, guys had a RUSHED week capped off by my birthday Thursday a.k.a. Global Holiday, but I'm good for the moment, let's move forward shall we?


Nightcrawler defeats Ravager handily 11-6.

[Genesis 1.0]

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Despero

VS

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Classic Dr. Strange

VS

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Dr. Fate (Nelson)

[SuperFerret]

Strange. The guy pulls wins out of his ass for a living.

[J'adore]

Dr Fate

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Despero

[SuperFerret]

Despero has no chance. Strange and Fate would team up to destroy him.

[3dman27]

dr.fate

[Lobo]

Nelson

[Silicon Surfer]

Despero, classic Strange was a walking catalog of plot devices but he had relatively modest raw power compared to other superhumans. Despero would launch direct attacks of great power that would exhaust Strange's power in no time. He might even one-shot Strange. Fate would last longer as he had a measure of invulnerability.

[Docker2.0]

I'm going Dr. Strange. Dude has held off universal threats by his lonesome for decades.

[GlasgowBat]

Dr Fate.

[Genesis 1.0]

4: Dr. Fate

2: Dr. Strange

2: Despero

[Docker2.0]

Despero, classic Strange was a walking catalog of plot devices but he had relatively modest raw power compared to other superhumans. Despero would launch direct attacks of great power that would exhaust Strange's power in no time. He might even one-shot Strange. Fate would last longer as he had a measure of invulnerability.

Dude I................you know........we just disagree big time. :o

I'm just going to say this one quote from one the most powerful entities in the 616:

Eternity, the sentience of the Marvel Universe, has described Strange as "more powerful by far than any of your fellow humanoids".[53]

Straight from Wikipedia. I honestly think Strange would have a harder time with Dr. Fate but Despero, though he is powerful, I honestly don't see him giving either of these two a hard time.

[Silicon Surfer]

Dude I................you know........we just disagree big time. :o

I'm just going to say this one quote from one the most powerful entities in the 616:

Eternity, the sentience of the Marvel Universe, has described Strange as "more powerful by far than any of your fellow humanoids".[53]

Straight from Wikipedia. I honestly think Strange would have a harder time with Dr. Fate but Despero, though he is powerful, I honestly don't see him giving either of these two a hard time.

Power is qualitative as well as quantitative. There was a master of Kaiai-Jutsu(sp?) who blamed Strange for the death of his granddaughter. Out of grief he attacked Strange and tried to kill him. He tore through Strange's strongest shields like they were tissue paper. Strange referred to the power of his blasts as "like the bolts of Dormammu". I don't recall the details but Strange only survived that battle because he got through to the guy on a human level. On a raw power level that guy was orders of magnitude more powerful than Strange but probably didn't have one percent of the range of uses for his power that Strange has. Much of what Strange does isn't even his personal power because he deliberately draws on the power of other beings first to conserve his own personal power as a last resort.

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

Dr.Strange. Wong's got his back.

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

Oh and Happy belated Genisis!

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

Genesis**

[CanaryFan]

Despero would just play mind games with them and make them fight each orther all out until one was done and the other could barely stand. Then he'd casually stroll over and finish it!

Despero.

[PaleRider]

I think Fate and Strange are smart enough to team up against Despero, and IMO they could take him. Then when they fight I think Strange could pull it off but thats up in the air to me. But my final vote is Strange.

[Docker2.0]

Power is qualitative as well as quantitative. There was a master of Kaiai-Jutsu(sp?) who blamed Strange for the death of his granddaughter. Out of grief he attacked Strange and tried to kill him. He tore through Strange's strongest shields like they were tissue paper. Strange referred to the power of his blasts as "like the bolts of Dormammu". I don't recall the details but Strange only survived that battle because he got through to the guy on a human level. On a raw power level that guy was orders of magnitude more powerful than Strange but probably didn't have one percent of the range of uses for his power that Strange has. Much of what Strange does isn't even his personal power because he deliberately draws on the power of other beings first to conserve his own personal power as a last resort.

You can call that the Superman/Batman complex. Either it's A)bad writing or B) Superman could have killed Batman any time he wanted to but he allowed Batman to get to the point where he could have killed him but either way, if Supes wanted to, he could kill him any time he wanted. But the story you just told, sounds like bad writing to me. :o

[trustyside-kick]

Still deciding but not a fan of whenever Strange is thrown into these fights. Not because I think he is insanely powerful but actually kinda the opposite. I think he is highly overrated in general just because he is one of Marvel's main magic users but he has shown inconsistencies with his potency. I know that inconsistency happens to the best and work of comicbook heroes BUT when it comes to Despero and Dr. Fate that isn't the case at least.

So my vote will go to either Despero or Fate. Probably Fate though.

[PemLam]

Dr. Fate

[greenrage36]

I think it would be a toss-up between Strange & Fate, as my first thought, (and apparently as were others...), would be that they would team up against Despero and work on beating/containing/ him first.

Between each other..I dunno I think it could go either way. Since I have to pick one though I think Fate might have the better power reserves and would be able to magically outlast the good Doc.

[Genesis 1.0]

5: Dr. Fate

4: Dr. Strange

4: Despero

[SuperFerret]

This is still going on? These threeways take forever.

[Anubis]

Despero and not easy.

I just think it usually takes a team of people to take him down, and unless otherwise stipulated, there is no team up between Fate and Strange. In an everyman for themself, Despero would come out the victor.

[Silicon Surfer]

Despero has already faced one version of Fate along with many others and apparently found him no threat. Not this version but still some indication of relative power level.

[Mazrim Taim]

dr. strange

[trustyside-kick]

Despero

[Genesis 1.0]

Bear with me guys, I'll have my internet back Friday.

Despero wins 6-5-5

[Genesis 1.0]

http://oi53.tinypic.com/2nhqmwj.jpg


Spider-Man

VS

http://oi51.tinypic.com/258xx6v.jpg

Deathstroke the Terminator

[3dman27]

your freiondly neighborhood SPIDER-MAN

[J'adore]

Mah mayn, Deathstroke!

[O_B_Juan]

Deathstroke FTW!

[Silicon Surfer]

Deathstroke

[Genesis 1.0]

Peter's mouth is going to annoy Slade to no end, that and the fact that Spidey faster and strong enough to tax his healing.

Hell, if he gets webbed Peter'll probably take the opening to beat him to unconciousness. :o

Spider Man


3-2 Deathstroke

[Docker2.0]

If written properly, no way Spidey loses.

[trustyside-kick]

Spider-Man

[SuperFerret]

I would love to see this happen. Spider-Man wins.

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

Spidey has been on a rampage recently so I'm going to vote for him =]

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Pete

[PemLam]

Spidey

[Anubis]

Spider-Man

[Docker2.0]

Where's Majic Walrus?

[Anubis]

Framed for a crime he didn't commit, he's on the run.....helping people along the way, while trying to prove his innocence.

[Hound55]

Framed for a crime he didn't commit, he's on the run.....helping people along the way, while trying to prove his innocence.
That deserves a pilot...

[Lobo]

Spidey

[CanaryFan]

Deathstroke

[PaleRider]

spidey

[Parker Wayne]

Spiderman

[Genesis 1.0]

Awesome to be back and fully connected, lol. New match up whenever I awaken from this 4am coma.

12-4 Spider-Man

[Docker2.0]

Dude were you in a 21 day program? Just saying. :o

[3dman27]

Where's Majic Walrus?

bannedi think

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

Welcome back Genesis! =D

[Genesis 1.0]

Much appreciated Chop.

Spider-Man wins 12-4 over Deathstroke in a blowout.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://oi53.tinypic.com/15s09qb.jpg

Copperhead

VS

http://oi56.tinypic.com/315nxhy.jpg

Daredevil


{{{Requested Match}}}

[Anubis]

Daredevil.

Copperhead may be stronger and faster and all, freaky bestial, but he's still a born loser.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Daredevil

[Docker2.0]

Daredevil

[Genesis 1.0]

3-0 Daredevil

[Harlekin]

Yeah, Daredevil.

[A.Cho.P.o.P.]

K DD totally takes this...

[3dman27]

d.d.

[Parker Wayne]

Daredevil

[J'adore]

Daredevil

[PemLam]

Daredevil

[Lobo]

Copperhead

[The_Mighty_Thor]

oops already voted

[Genesis 1.0]

lulz, you wanted it and now you got it.

I'll throw Copper a bone.

Copperhead


9-2 Daredevil

[CanaryFan]

Copperhead

[Silicon Surfer]

Copperhead

[Genesis 1.0]

And the pity rains down. :o

9-4 Daredevil

[Lobo]

Well, that went down pretty much how I expected it :/

[Genesis 1.0]

Daredevil's greater senses overcome Copperhead with an easy 9-4 victory.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://oi54.tinypic.com/1zmkxhj.jpg

X-23

VS

http://oi55.tinypic.com/syutcj.jpg

Batman (Bruce Wayne)


{{{Requested Match}}}

[J'adore]

This is hard...Would Batman hit a girl? And if he did tie her up, how easy would it be for her to escape?

EDIT: Forgot to say, X-23

[3dman27]

x-23

[PemLam]

X-23

[Silicon Surfer]

X-23

[LOBO3315a]

How much preparation? Sorry, couldn't resist.....

X23. While Batman is a bad ass, he's only human.

[Docker2.0]

X-23

[Hound55]

X-23.

She's the best there is at what she does and what she does isn't getting Bruce a sandwich...

[SuperFerret]

Not a fan of either, but I'd say Bruce takes this. He's smarter, got more experience and isn't exactly a push-over, even when the power scale isn't in his favor (and I'm talking about when he's written well, not as Captain Preptime).

[Anubis]

Batman (In memorial of Majic Walrus.)

[Docker2.0]

I hear you Ferret but if she's written properly, then Bruce doesn't stand a chance. Ole girl was trained since her "birth" to be a weapon, not to mention healing factor that actually is stronger than Wolvie's..............I don't see how Bruce can win this.

[SuperFerret]

Eh. I'm still voting Bruce, and would root for him in this. Clones are bad enough, as are kid heroes and the oh-so-plausible "trained killers from birth", but X-23 combines all three with the Wolverine factor, so I can't hope for anything more than the exception Wolverine has from the typical short lifespan of mutants in comics either didn't get cloned when she was made, or that the typical short lifespan of females in comics outweighs it.

[Anubis]

She's actually not that bad in small doses.

[Parker Wayne]

Batman

[SuperFerret]

She's actually not that bad in small doses.

Maybe, but my mutant tolerance level is near zero, especially those mutants who inexplicably become popular, such as Gambit, Deadpool, X-23, any of those losers with the cyborg limbs, etc.

[Anubis]

I'll give you Gambit, but DP rules. It just sucks that once everybody else found out, Marvel decided to go over board.

[SuperFerret]

Deadpool used to be good, same as Wolverine, but he got popular and became a parody of himself.

[Docker2.0]

Yeah but..........you just described Batman. :huh: