The Ultimate DC/Marvel Tournament

[Silicon Surfer]

Gambit has probably spent some of his "earnings" on stock in a factory that makes cards.

[Hound55]

Gambit, haters...

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, yeah. Never knew the Hype was full of this many haters.

Gambit hate just might be higher than Sentry hate and that's saying something, never seen this many people duck out just to avoid an online vote.

Sorry ladies, you have a terminal case of hate poisoning.

7-3 Gambit

[Anubis]

It's not that I hate Gambit, It's just that I would like for him to die.

[Genesis 1.0]

Diagnosis: Hateitis

Unplug your Hatorade IV and live life to the fullest.

[Johnny Blaze]

It's not that I hate Gambit, It's just that I would like for him to die.

Dude. That's a little harsh, don't you think? :huh::o
I'd be happier with simply seeing him hit by a bus and then stabbed several dozen times afterward.

[Genesis 1.0]

Remy LeBeau & Michael Holt battle it out in a clash of extremes; the super intelligent straight edge scion of Fairplay against the crafty, underhanded, ladie's man. In the end, power and agility trumps brains & gadgets as the AWESOME Gambit defeats Mr. Terrific 9-3, Hater Votes included.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yo Gen has there been a Hal Jordan vs Richard Ryder battle yet?

[Hound55]

The public has spoken... and they want more Dick Ryder bouts...

[Ace of Knaves]

hehe Dick Ryder, what a name!

[Hound55]

That joke gives change for a dollar, but it still brings a Bruce Willis-esque smirk to my face everytime...

[Ace of Knaves]

Don't forget the squint!

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/3535/elektra.jpg

Elektra

VS

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/7729/huntress.jpg

Huntress

[Genesis 1.0]

Yo Gen has there been a Hal Jordan vs Richard Ryder battle yet?

It was a Kyle Rayner / Richard Rider match actually.

[Ace of Knaves]

oh ok cool. Would of thought it'd be Hal, seeing as apparently he is the greatest GL n all that. (Sure Gardner would have something to say about that though)

But anyway...

I'm going with Elektra here. I don't really like her, but she is one of Marvels best martial artists if I'm not mistaken. I think she'll take Huntress in a tough, brutal cat fight.

[Hound55]

Good match...

Me thinks this one will come down to some Marvel fanboys vs DC fanboys though...

[Genesis 1.0]

Good match...

Me thinks this one will come down to some Marvel fanboys vs DC fanboys though...


Trust me, it will. I vote all over the place, and at times simply o be devil's advocate and provide another view but never based on a company. Lame.:o

Ace: Yeah, this battle's going to be ridunkulous. Elektra's one of the best martial artists in the MU and the hands down master of ninjutsu and Huntress is a top tier martial artist in the DCU.

1-0 Elektra

[Ace of Knaves]

Well you gotta be if your in the Bat family!

But I just think Elektra's a little more brutal and blood thirsty (not to say Huntress isn't)

[trustyside-kick]

Elektra.

[Genesis 1.0]

Elektra's been busy lately, dodging Bullseye, beating Bullseye while drugged and weakened, developing mind control, residing in people's brains and using it to track and kill them, and telekenesis.

Nevermind the fact she dodges bullets still.

Huntress has been kicking ass all over the world, beating up Scarecrow, fighting all types of nasty faces in BOP, oh and kicking Killer Shark's ass.

2-0 Elektra

[trustyside-kick]

I love Huntress more, and am in fact more of a DC fan...but I just think that eventually Elektra will get the drop on Helena.

[Johnny Blaze]

I have to go with Elektra. If it's coming down to a straight up fight, I think she's got more skill than Helena does.
Still, I wouldn't put either in the upper echelon of martial artists for their respective universes.

[Hound55]

I think the fact that its a straight bout will favour Elektra more.

That crossbow of Huntress' could be the most irrelevant point in any bout to date though... heh.

[Ace of Knaves]

Elektra's been busy lately, dodging Bullseye, beating Bullseye while drugged and weakened, developing mind control, residing in people's brains and using it to track and kill them, and telekenesis.

Nevermind the fact she dodges bullets still.

Huntress has been kicking ass all over the world, beating up Scarecrow, fighting all types of nasty faces in BOP, oh and kicking Killer Shark's ass.

2-0 Elektra

WOW I didn't know that. When did this happen?

[Genesis 1.0]

Elektra: Assassin and God knows where else, but I know some of that's in Assassin. As to where it originates from who the hell knows, but it is clear thse are abilities she's developed on her own through years of training. She can get into their minds and get heir entire psyche and what they plan to do and their location with enough accuaracy that she can kill them without actually seeing them if she's within reach.

Johnny, if I were making a list of the MU's best, Elektra would be on that list.

[Genesis 1.0]

I love Huntress more, and am in fact more of a DC fan...but I just think that eventually Elektra will get the drop on Helena.

You and Walrus both, but you usually have more than ample reasoning to back your bias.

Walrus........:o

[Hound55]

Agreed, pretty soon after most of the major Iron Fist characters and Shang Chi.

[Johnny Blaze]

IDK, depends on how long the list is. Sure, she's a highly trained assassin, but as far as a martial artist goes I wouldn't put her in the same league as the likes of Gamora, Mantis, Ganymede, Libra, or Shang-Chi.

[SuperFerret]

Elektra's been busy lately, dodging Bullseye, beating Bullseye while drugged and weakened, developing mind control, residing in people's brains and using it to track and kill them, and telekenesis.

Nevermind the fact she dodges bullets still.

Huntress has been kicking ass all over the world, beating up Scarecrow, fighting all types of nasty faces in BOP, oh and kicking Killer Shark's ass.

2-0 Elektra

My god, what's with all the stupid extra powers? :csad:

[3dman27]

elektra

[Genesis 1.0]

IDK, depends on how long the list is. Sure, she's a highly trained assassin, but as far as a martial artist goes I wouldn't put her in the same league as the likes of Gamora, Mantis, Ganymede, Libra, or Shang-Chi.

Problem with that is you'd have to subtract all these guys and girls super strength and any who have a greater learning speed to make it even.

SF: lol, do you hate all new powers in any character?:hehe:

What's your vote btw?

5-0 Elektra

[Johnny Blaze]

None of them, save maybe Gamora, have any degree of super-strength.
And, I have no idea what you mean by "learning speed"?
Are you saying that just because somebody picks **** up quicker they can't be included? :huh:

[SuperFerret]

SF: lol, do you hate all new powers in any character?:hehe:

What's your vote btw?

I don't hate all new powers on all characters, only when it goes to stupid levels. In my opinion, the best characters are the ones that you can explain the basics of in, at most, a short paragraph. In any case, did Elektra really need friggin' telekinesis?

I guess I have to vote for Elektra, seeing as how Huntress really isn't capable enough to defeat a skilled superhuman assassin.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Huntress

[Genesis 1.0]

None of them, save maybe Gamora, have any degree of super-strength.
And, I have no idea what you mean by "learning speed"?
Are you saying that just because somebody picks **** up quicker they can't be included? :huh:

No, I mean your Taskmaster types that pick things up at a superhuman level.

SF; I hear ya, but for me, power boosts that fit within the scope of the character's origin are definitely a positive. Elektra's a ninja, an assassin, her TK & telepathy fit perfectly within the bounds of her profession, it's not as if she's become Psylocke or Emma Frost.

I also disagree with you saying Helena can't win, she's shown that she can hammer guys and girls stronger than her and those with more variable abilities. She's ruthless and relentless and has the skills to match.

6-1 Elektra

[SuperFerret]

No, I mean your Taskmaster types that pick things up at a superhuman level.

SF; I hear ya, but for me, power boosts that fit within the scope of the character's origin are definitely a positive. Elektra's a ninja, an assassin, her TK & telepathy fit perfectly within the bounds of her profession, it's not as if she's become Psylocke or Emma Frost.

I also disagree with you saying Helena can't win, she's shown that she can hammer guys and girls stronger than her and those with more variable abilities. She's ruthless and relentless and has the skills to match.

6-1 Elektra

Really? Since it seems to me that ninja + psionics + thong = Psylocke. Also, what makes spontaneous psychic powers a ninja thing?

[Silicon Surfer]

Electra

[Genesis 1.0]

Really? Since it seems to me that ninja + psionics + thong = Psylocke. Also, what makes spontaneous psychic powers a ninja thing?

Because it's an order of magnitude beneath Betsy. Elektra's consists of tracking a target and getting it's location for a clean kill. Nothing else. Her TK is minor, limited to the tools of the trade.

It fits.

7-1 Elektra

[Hound55]

Without it that boring tracking part would take up too much of books or they'd have to skim over it, this deals with it by making a general rule and still allows for some creative tracking instances with psi-resistant foes if someone has a good idea...

Makes sense to me.

"Telepathy" is used more due to lack of a decent alternative as a word... like saying Spider-Man has precognitive powers... Its not a major thing, there's just not that many ways to describe spider sense.

[Anubis]

Ugh, first Gambit now this b***h?

[Genesis 1.0]

Ugh, first Gambit now this b***h?

Yeah, yeah, we get it, you hate everyone.:o

[SuperFerret]

If you really want to piss him off, put Barry Allen in the next match.

[Anubis]

You're not helping SF. :dry:

[SuperFerret]

Because it's an order of magnitude beneath Betsy. Elektra's consists of tracking a target and getting it's location for a clean kill. Nothing else. Her TK is minor, limited to the tools of the trade.

It fits.

7-1 Elektra

I know I skipped this earlier, but it's just been bugging the crap out of me, are you saying that Elektra has ninja-specific telekinesis? How does that remotely fit with any logic?

[Majic Walrus]

**** all of you Elektra lovers. I'm voting for Huntress for two reasons:

1.) The movie called "Elektra"

2.) Nope... that's the only reason. It's just a good enough one for me. :o

[Genesis 1.0]

I know I skipped this earlier, but it's just been bugging the crap out of me, are you saying that Elektra has ninja-specific telekinesis? How does that remotely fit with any logic?

Wait, she spends years honing her mind and working with other beings within the Hand that have mental abilities and gains rather small TK abilities intricately locked into her profession and you say it doesn't make sense?

It's no as if she's out there fiipping cars or putting up shields, her new abilities are a direct reflection of her trade.

Walrus; Isn't it usually Marvel that has the zombies?:awesome:


7-2 Elektra

[SuperFerret]

Wait, she spends years honing her mind and working with other beings within the Hand that have mental abilities and gains rather small TK abilities intricately locked into her profession and you say it doesn't make sense?

Eh, ninjas are lame, just like mutants. Both are only cool if you combine them and have them be anthropomorphic. :awesome:

:don: :mikey: :raph: :leo:

[Genesis 1.0]

Mutants are f'n awesme and don't you EVER forget it.

You're too much a purist SF, classical isn't always best ya know.

[Anubis]

I'm voting Huntress outta spite.

[SuperFerret]

It's not, but that doesn't mean that overly convoluted crap is any good either.

[Genesis 1.0]

I'm voting Huntress outta spite.

The only thing that surprises me about that is that it's taken you this long.:o

SF: You know, between those 2 extremes, there's a medium in there somewhere.:doh:

7-3 Elektra

[SuperFerret]

Bah, middle grounds are for the Swiss.

[Anubis]

If you're gonna hate, you gotta hate all the way.

[Genesis 1.0]

Bah, middle grounds are for the Swiss.

So we're off the French / Canadian bashing?

I really ought to check my Inbox.

I'm going with Huntress by he way, she's just as deadly and ruthless as Elektra and she does it without an upgrade.

Huntress


If you love hot, sexy, deadly women beating each other to a pulp, this was the match for you. Elektra and Huntress showed why they're two of the most ruthless ******es in comicdom but in the end it was the super ninja from hell that walks away with a 7-4 vitory and a chunk of Helena's hair.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1904/bladegs.jpg

Blade

VS

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6991/hawkman.jpg

Hawkman ((Hall))

[SuperFerret]

Hawkman

[Anubis]

Hawkman

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, figure that.

I'm going with Blade, even Hall's flight advanatge is blunted by the fact that a number of the vampires that Blade hunts and kills have the ability to levitate and fly. Never stops him. He's also strong enough and fast enough to hurt Hawman.

Pretty sure a katana or Blade's arsenal of throwing bladed weapons will fit nicely into Hall's vulnerable flesh, or his wings for that matter.

Definitely not an easy run.

Blade


2-1 Hawkman

[Silicon Surfer]

Blade

[trustyside-kick]

Nice match. But I think I am going to go with Hawkman. I'd actually love to see panels of this fight drawn by an awesome artist. :up:

[Genesis 1.0]

Thanks.

I think it'd be damn close, but I think Blade's got enough of an edge in fighting flying oppinents, not to mention a plethera of edged weapons. This one's going to be nasty.

3-2 Hawkman

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm going with Blade too. And it would be a nasty, blood drenched fight. Which is always good for entertainment :D

[Silicon Surfer]

Blade has a lot of weapons that can be thrown and with superhuman speed, accuracy and force.

[3dman27]

hawkman

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Blade

[Majic Walrus]

Walrus; Isn't it usually Marvel that has the zombies?:awesome:


You're getting funnier. I like it. :)



This fight is a toughie. I was leaning towards Blade but then I realized Blade: Vampire Hunter. Really good at hunting vampires because he is an excellent vampire hunter. He is not a Hawkman hunter.

No matter what weapons Blade has Carter has something that's similiar except in Hawkman's case it's made out of Nth metal. Hall is also a skilled tactician and strong as hell.

Blade is an excellent fighter as well but he has a limited area of expertise and a limited knowledge base. And as we all know... knowing is half the battle.


Hawkman FTW.

[SuperFerret]

Also blunt weapons > edged weapons.

Edged weapons can be completely stopped by armor, but if you were hit hard enough by a blunt weapon, you can't avoid the impact.

[PemLam]

Blade

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Also blunt weapons > edged weapons.

Edged weapons can be completely stopped by armor, but if you were hit hard enough by a blunt weapon, you can't avoid the impact.

:huh: Actually sharp weapons that hit flush will pierce most armor. Armor deflects glancing blows and softens the blows of blunt weapons.

[Anubis]

They're pretty matched on Weapons. Blade breaks out the Katana, Carter breaks out the one he used in the 5th century as a Samurai. Blade breaks out the Machine Pistols, Carter breaks out the M60 Katar used to use from time to time. You're right, it would be bloody as hell, but Carter can take far more punishment. I seen him heal from getting his head damn near cut off. Also, there's the experience factor, the 20 tons factor, and of course the flight, which kicks levitation's ass.

[trustyside-kick]

Yea that was the main thing for me. Carter can take so much punishment. The Nth metal harness gives him such a great durability he can take a few hits from Black Adam without getting torn in half. Then there's the strength he gets from the Nth Metal. One of my favorite panels is him stopping a huge truck in the middle of the road with nothing but his mace by smashing it dead on.

[Johnny Blaze]

Hawkman.

[Mazrim Taim]

Blade

[Genesis 1.0]

Yea that was the main thing for me. Carter can take so much punishment. The Nth metal harness gives him such a great durability he can take a few hits from Black Adam without getting torn in half. Then there's the strength he gets from the Nth Metal. One of my favorite panels is him stopping a huge truck in the middle of the road with nothing but his mace by smashing it dead on.

And there's goes the minority, out of character experience. He's also lost to Batman, Golden Eagle, some Jehova Witness' from Rann, and Lion Mane to just name a few.

Blade is more than strong enough to make all those pointy weapons stick in Hawman's body, taking a pounding is all well and good but it doesn't negate the ____ inches of metal sticking out of your ribcage.

Oh and last I checked, his wings would shred far easier than the rest of him which nullifies any slight advantage he gleam from flight, which would be negated if Bade makes it to cover where he can dodge or a tight space where wings become a liability.

Neither of these guys are stupid enough to just stand there and trade shots if there's a more efficent way to get it done. If anything, Hall was a LOOOONG history of letting his temper run the show during battle. He's a hot head and he doesn't always think in straight line and Blade's going to use that against him.


6-6 TIE

[Ace of Knaves]

I think Blade is more methodical in his approach too. He'd take those wings off pretty quickly. In fact they are probably the first things he targets.

Whereas like Gen says, Hall loses his cool a bit. And as the wise old kung fu masters say, you lose your temper you lose your focus.(or something alone those lines :D)

[Genesis 1.0]

Hawkman does tend to have a Wolverine like temper and it's cost him before. Even so, those wings are going to cost Hawkman big time, he just better hope he's not too high off the ground or travelling too damn fast when they ge sheared or this one will end that much quicker.

[WolfCypher]

Since Blade's opponent is not a vampire, Hawkman wins.

J/K.

Hawkman.

[Chunin]

Blade

[Blacklight]

Hawkman

[Genesis 1.0]

Welcome to the fold Blacklight.

8-7 Hawkman

[Wilderbeast]

Is this Carter? I dunno about this being easy on these dudes, and i can see alot of ppl getting hurt nearby but I think blade takes it barely.

[SuperFerret]

:huh: Actually sharp weapons that hit flush will pierce most armor. Armor deflects glancing blows and softens the blows of blunt weapons.

It depends on the armor and the weapons, in this fight it really doesn't matter.

[Silicon Surfer]

What really matters is the mass of the weapon. Most blunt weapons have more mass. Sharp weapons will penetrate armor better than blunt weapons of the same mass.

[Genesis 1.0]

Hawkman's lost to alot of guys and some of them are weaker than Blade, so there's not glass ceiling her for him. e has all teh tools, the will, and the intelligence to implement them.

This fight is going to be long and bloody, as Ace said earlier. No two ways about it.

8-8 TIE

[SuperFerret]

What really matters is the mass of the weapon. Most blunt weapons have more mass. Sharp weapons will penetrate armor better than blunt weapons of the same mass.

But blunt weapons can damage underlying structures, like bone and organs, without penetrating the armor.

[Blacklight]

Actually some of the people Carter lost to could probably take out Blade with ease as well. Batman being one of them, as well as many others, so I still think Carter takes it.

[Silicon Surfer]

But blunt weapons can damage underlying structures, like bone and organs, without penetrating the armor.

So can larger sharp weapons like two handed swords, polearms battle axes, etc. Kinetic energy is kinetic energy whether it is generated by a sharp object or a blunt one. All the same. Sharp weapons however will concentrate the kinetic energy along a narrower path so that instead of a broad spreading sort of damage it would create a deeper penetrating injury.

[SuperFerret]

As long as we agree that yo-yos were awesome weapons, we're cool.

[Silicon Surfer]

As long as we agree that yo-yos were awesome weapons, we're cool.

Yeah, when the strings on those old Duncan yo-yos broke while doing an around the world they were deadly.

[SuperFerret]

You do know that they were originally weapons before they were made into toys?

[Genesis 1.0]

Actually some of the people Carter lost to could probably take out Blade with ease as well. Batman being one of them, as well as many others, so I still think Carter takes it.

Man, there's just so much fail in that.:o

Batman without prep time or his usual props of spceial circumstance would be the victim of an anal invasion courtesy of Blade. Period.

And you actually think he wins with ease? DC zombie or Batman fanboy just don't begin to cover the amount of wrong in that sentiment.

[Silicon Surfer]

You do know that they were originally weapons before they were made into toys?

Yes I know. A weapon from the Philippines. A 20 pound rock on the end of a rope.

[CanaryFan]

Blade.

[PaleRider]

Hawkman

[Genesis 1.0]

Who knew Blade and Hawkman would draw this much attention?

9-9 TIE

[Majic Walrus]

Anyone who's ever read an issue of Blade and any book ever with Hawkman in it.

[Genesis 1.0]

Pfft.

Cpt. Marvel, Suprman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and the list goes on of more mainstream talent got less bump.

I'm proud to see it.

[Anubis]

You mean anybody that's seen the Blade movies. Outside of his recent stint with MI13, Blade has always sucked in the comics.

[Johnny Blaze]

You mean anybody that's seen the Blade movies. Outside of his recent stint with MI13, Blade has always sucked in the comics.

IDK, I kind of liked the old Night Stalkers series from the 90s. :csad:

[SuperFerret]

Blade sucked in the movies too, it's just a deceptive form of suck.

[Ace of Knaves]

:funny: How did Blade suck in the movies? If it wasn't for the complete reinvention he'd be resigned to the vaults. He'd be dead.

The first Blade movie is ****ing bad ass.

[Hound55]

Blade wasn't the problem with the Blade movies... Snipes did a bang up job.

Ryan Reynolds was atrocious in the third, IMO.

[Ace of Knaves]

Everything about the third was atrocious, even Snipes I thought.

But Reynolds and Posey's banter was my favourite part. When he called her a thunder **** I was like :awesome:

[Majic Walrus]

Blade was awesome in the comic book, but his awesomness was limited.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I lked the Midnight Sons stuff.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well Blade didn't even have a book for years before the film came out. Goyer and Snipes completely reinvigorated the character.

[Genesis 1.0]

The 1st and 2nd movies kicked ass.

The 3rd.............


Hawkman & Blade are deadlocked at 9-9 and I'm waiting on a judgement from Dread, so until then, it's a no decision.

On with the show.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1474/silversurferhand.jpg

Annihilation Class Silver Surfer

VS

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/9739/despero.jpg

Despero

[Johnny Blaze]

The Silver Surfer rapes Captain Marvel with his lil' surfboard.

[Silicon Surfer]

Despero

[SuperFerret]

Ouch. Surfer.

[Anubis]

Surfer

[Genesis 1.0]

Blowout you say?

Captain Marvel being raped you say?

Silver Surfer too much for the Big Red Cheese?


Fixed.

0-0

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Surfer

[SuperFerret]

Still Surfer. Not quite as ouch though.

[PaleRider]

silver surfer, very good fight

[Blacklight]

Surfer

[Anubis]

Surfer but he's not gonna enjoy his win what with all the pain he'll be in.

[Hound55]

Annihilation Class..?

Silver Surfer.

[PemLam]

Both characters have been written with ridiculous inconsistency over the years but even moreso for Despero. Gotta give it to the Surfer this time.

[Ace of Knaves]

I've just started re-reading Annihilation. Surfer was a beast.

Surfer.

Good fight though.

[Majic Walrus]

I agree with comicvine.com Despero. I think it'll be close, but Despero wins in the long run.

[Ace of Knaves]

So you use a rival website to decide your votes ay? TRAITOR!!!

[Majic Walrus]

I used a rival website to figure out what the hell difference there is between Silver Surfer and "Annihilation" Silver Surfer. There I discovered that Silver Surfer's still has a weakness to psyonic and psychic attacks and that Despero's main attacks seem to use his telepathy or hypnosis. So I asked and they were right.

You're just jealous cause you picked surfer and he's clearly the loser. :awesome:

[Ace of Knaves]

NEVAH!!!! :argh:

[Johnny Blaze]

Though he's one of my favorite characters, I've got to go against Norrin. He'd give Despero some major problems, but I think Despero would take it...in the end.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I think Despero would take it...in the end.


:eek: I didn't know Surfer swung that way.

[Johnny Blaze]

He doesn't, but Despero does. And, what with Norrin being unconscious at the end of the fight...

[Genesis 1.0]

I agree with comicvine.com Despero. I think it'll be close, but Despero wins in the long run.

What's your Marvel to DC voting ratio again?:awesome:


Here's your Blade // Hwkman Verdict, thanks to Judge Dread:

Quite a unique one there. I'm not personally fond of either character but that's another matter. I'd give Hawkman the nod in experience and close-range combat, given that he's basically been reincarnated since ancient Egypt and whatnot. Granted, he's a bit like Thor; someone who on paper has been a warrior for centuries yet about 80% of the time is written as just swinging a mace/hammer like a maniac. But, we'll go with the ideal. His wings also give him the flight advantage. Blade is probably the physically superior specimen, faster, stronger, regenerates, etc. He also uses guns, sometimes of the assault/rapid fire variety. He's about 100 years old himself but I'd give Hall the experience nod. Gun-play can eliminate Hawkman's flight advantage depending, although Hawkman has likely fought endless attackers with guns and I sort of imagine Blade being a better swordsman.

If Hawkman fights like a brute, Blade would probably make mincemeat out of him. On the other hand, if Hawkman utilizes his flight and experience (and to be fair, the physical gap between them isn't as vast as, say, against Supergirl or something), I can imagine Blade giving him a fair challenge, but Hawkman coming out on top. After all, he's a fighter that occasionally gave even Bruce Wayne pause. I'd probably give it to Hawkman maybe 6 times out of 10.

So Hawkman wins it 10-9.

[Genesis 1.0]

Alright so:

-Hawkman def. Blade.

-Silver Surfer def. Captain Marvel

This match is a planet, no, a Milky Way buster hands down. If there's anyone in the DCU that I could see standing up to what Norrin can deal out, it's Despero. I wanted t throw Darkseid in there, but I don't think he measures up to what Despero can bring to bear.

I don't see a clear cut winner here just yet, so I'll have to think this one through.

8-2 Silver Surer

[Ace of Knaves]

But this is Annihilation Surfer right? He's been completely recharged. Not to mention his will power has been given a boost. But he was also allowed to retain his guilt, which he uses in a positive way ie smashing the **** out of anyone who crosses him.

[Genesis 1.0]

This is true, Surfer's a beast. Period.

So is Despero written correctly.

[Silicon Surfer]

Despero is pretty much invulnerable to everything no matter how powerful unless it surprises him.

[Genesis 1.0]

Annihilation Surfer is just FULL of surprises. And Despero's been dropped before, all it takes is someone doing something he doesn't expect AND powerful enough to work. It doesn't have to be a PERSON out of blue, just a surprise.

Clarification.

[Majic Walrus]

What's your Marvel to DC voting ratio again?:awesome:

It's not abouit power in this case, it's about ability. Surfer is vulnerable to psychic attacks and Despero is a PSYCHIC! :awesome:


Here's your Blade // Hwkman Verdict, thanks to Judge Dread:



So Hawkman wins it 10-9.

I knew Hawk would get it.

[Genesis 1.0]

It's not abouit power in this case, it's about ability. Surfer is vulnerable to psychic attacks and Despero is a PSYCHIC! :awesome:



I knew Hawk would get it.

Nice way to avoid the question.

As to the Hawkman // Blade Match, The diffrence being Dread saw ust how razor thin the margin of victory would be for either guy. He also considered all the options and realized that Hawkman doesn't win easy because of Blade's superior speed, agility, and not inconsiderable strength.

Which is why Dread's the Judge for all tie bouts, he's fair and impartial.:o

[Majic Walrus]

Nice way to avoid the question.

A compliment!? From you?!

:heart:

[Genesis 1.0]

A compliment!? From you?!

:heart:

Well played Sir Walrus, well played.:csad:

[Lobo]

Despero

[Genesis 1.0]

8-3 Silver Surfer

[CanaryFan]

Despero

[trustyside-kick]

Despero

[Silicon Surfer]

I have six wins so far for Despero although I only skimmed quickly.

[Johnny Blaze]

Yeah, it is six: Walrus, Lobo, Trusty, CanaryFan, yourself and I.

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, thanks for the tally.

Going with Ace's logic on this one.

Surfer

9-6 Silver Surfer

[Wilderbeast]

Despero

[Genesis 1.0]

Norrin Rad is reborn in the fires of Galactus' well of Cosmic Power and he needs every bit of it to face the nigh invincible Despero but in the end, the most deadly mind in the DC Universe faces Annihilation with a 10-6 victory by the Silver Surfer.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8385/emmafrost1.jpg

Emma Frost

VS

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3226/saturngirl.jpg

Saturn Girl

[Silicon Surfer]

Which version is that?

[Genesis 1.0]

Of which one?

[Silicon Surfer]

Saturn Girl. There has only been one version of Emma that I know of.

[Genesis 1.0]

There's only been 1 Saturn Girl as well, and if you meant what time period, then the same could be said for Emma.

Emma: Current

Saturn Girl: Post Zero Hour Saturn Girl but prior to her being Imra Ardeen-Ranzz.

She's not strong enough post 3-Boot for this to be fair.

[Blacklight]

Of which one?
I believe they are referring to Saturn Girl. As in is she the Silver Age version, Post-Zero Hour Version, or the Threeboot version?

[Silicon Surfer]

I hated that version of the Legion. It was that version of the Legion that caused me to finally quit reading DC. I will vote for Emma out of sheer vindictiveness.

[Blacklight]

I think Emma has the upper hand with her diamond form, so I too am gonna vote for her.

[3dman27]

i think he means saturn girl
staturn girl

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Emma

[Hound55]

Two if you count Ultimate Emma Frost... but the difference is fairly negligable...

[Johnny Blaze]

It's a close call for me, but I'm giving it to Imra.

[Blacklight]

Doesn't Emma's diamond form give her partial if not complete immunity from telepathic attacks?

[Genesis 1.0]

They're both Top Tier Telepaths with a fairly similar powerset.

I'd give an experience to Emma possibly but Imra's been a leader and tactican longer. Emma's Diamond form would lay the smackdown on Imra and it deadens her to psionic attacks at the least and makes her fully immune at the maximum. She loses her psychic ability in that form though.

This battle's going to take place with these two probably standing in one spot 90% of the time. Their minds? Well all acros the astral plane and deep into each other's minds.


http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8385/emmafrost1.jpg


Emma Frost

VS

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3226/saturngirl.jpg


Saturn Girl


HOT. HOT. HOT.

3-2 Emma Frost

[Harlekin]

Frost on account of her diamond form.

[Genesis 1.0]

That might be the clincher, it might. As far as telepathy, I really don't think either of them has a greater edge, Emma'd defenitely willing to do more regardless of it being dirty or not, but these battles are supposed to be all-out within character, so Saturn Girl would do what was necessary as she's done before.

4-2 Saturn Girl

[Anubis]

Emma

[Genesis 1.0]

The cornerstone of the Legion is getting the business.

At least I know Walrus will vote for Saturn Girl, seeing as she's DC and all.

5-2 Emma Frost

[Silicon Surfer]

How about kicking it up a notch for the next one? Captain Comet vs Cable (at full power).

[CanaryFan]

Saturn Girl

[Hound55]

Emma Frost.

Diamond form, as mentioned, is the difference maker.

[SuperFerret]

Emma.


Rassa frassa secondary mutations...

[Hound55]

I object to that picture too... Emma's wearing too much...

[Ace of Knaves]

How about kicking it up a notch for the next one? Captain Comet vs Cable (at full power).

Good match :up:

I object to that picture too... Emma's wearing too much...

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Her bristols are too covered up.

But yea I'm voting for Emma. The added combat prowess with the diamond form tips it her way.

[Majic Walrus]

I think Saturn Girl has the edge in telepathy but I don't think it will really matter. Telepathy all but cancels each other out because Saturn Girls illusions won't work on someone who's reading her mind. Emma wins.

[Genesis 1.0]

I think Saturn Girl has the edge in telepathy but I don't think it will really matter. Telepathy all but cancels each other out because Saturn Girls illusions won't work on someone who's reading her mind. Emma wins.

:wow::wow::wow::wow::wow::wow:

Let this go down in the Hype Archive, the first Marvel vote for Walrus in 6 months or more.

In a battle of the minds, Emma Frost and Sturn Girl stalemate, but in a battle of bodies, Saturn Girl is cubic zirconia and Emma Frost is 24 karat HOT with a 9-3 victory.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8554/captaincomet1.jpg

Captain Comet

VS

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4784/stryfe.jpg

Stryfe

[Genesis 1.0]

As requested.

I'm assuming this is post ressurection Comt, since original Comet was Superman class strength. That and Stryfe i consistently more powerful than Cable except in one short period.

[Silicon Surfer]

I think that this would be war of attrition. Both are nearly invincible mentally. Stryfe has the better psi feats but Captain Comet has better stamina and durability. I think that Comet would outlast him but barely.

[Genesis 1.0]

I aree with everything you said, however I think Stryfe's armor which mantgains a VERY high degree of Durabiliy negates the advantage Comet has in that area. It's going to be a LONG battle but Stryfe's that much |-| better in psionics.

1-1 TIE

[Silicon Surfer]

We really don't know how good Captain Comet is because he rarely fights anyone on his level and in fact rarely shows up in comics at all. He was able to defeat and kill multiple clones of himself each of which was at the same power level he was when he fought Lobo to a standstill.

[Majic Walrus]

I do occasionally vote for people that are Marvel creations...

Just not often.

Captain Comet wins this one.

[SuperFerret]

I'm abstaining, because I don't know enough about Comet to judge this, but I do have to say that whoever said "Hey, you know what'd be cool? If Cable had an evil clone!" should be stabbed repeatedly.

[Anubis]

Captain Comet cuz I'd vote for Gambit before I vote for f**king Stryfe.

[Johnny Blaze]

I'm abstaining, because I don't know enough about Comet to judge this, but I do have to say that whoever said "Hey, you know what'd be cool? If Cable had an evil clone!" should be stabbed repeatedly.

I concur. I too don't know much about Comet save for his Rann/Thanagar appearance. And that those behind Stryfe should be stabbed repeatedly with an AIDS riddled blood crusted knife. :up:

[louiebling$]

Captain Comet takes this one.

[3dman27]

the good captain

[Genesis 1.0]

I'm abstaining, because I don't know enough about Comet to judge this, but I do have to say that whoever said "Hey, you know what'd be cool? If Cable had an evil clone!" should be stabbed repeatedly.

Is there anyone you don't hate that variates an original character?:o

Walrus; Sure ya do, what's it, 7 or 8 months and running?

Stryfe > Anubis :awesome:

6-1 Captain Comet

[SuperFerret]

Is there anyone you don't hate that variates an original character?:o

I'd love to be able to say that I understood that question, but it doesn't make sense to me. I mean, it could be "who do I hate that's not an original character?" or it could be "who don't I hate that's a variation on an original character?"

I don't like the X-stuff in general because they're typically wrapped up in their own stuff, and are more like a private militia instead of a superhero team. Nevermind the fact that most of the popular X-characters exemplify (to me, at least) what's wrong with comics and pop culture in general. Plus, evil clones tend to suck and time traveling mutants tend to suck, so Stryfe... :awesome:

[Majic Walrus]

Maybe you should start picking Marvel characters that are actually competitors.

Like Batman versus The Fantastic Four and the X-Men and Silver Surfer...

Nah I'd still vote for Batman.

[louiebling$]

Maybe you should start picking Marvel characters that are actually competitors.

Like Batman versus The Fantastic Four and the X-Men and Silver Surfer...

Nah I'd still vote for Batman.
:down

[Hound55]

Maybe you should start picking Marvel characters that are actually competitors.

Like Batman versus The Fantastic Four and the X-Men and Silver Surfer...

Nah I'd still vote for Batman.
I'm having difficulty telling whether or not this is serious...

[Ace of Knaves]

Didn't you know? Batman can beat anyone no matter how illogical it is. He's DCs Wolverine.

[Majic Walrus]

I'm having difficulty telling whether or not this is serious...

:funny:

Seriously though I'm a bigger fan of DC than Marvel which often leads me to vote for DC characters I suppose, but I don't just vote for "my favorite" character I try to vote for who would actually win a fight based on the comic book universe. Often times this means that Batman wins illogically because... well... that's sort of a staple for the character. Batman never misses, always has a back up plan, and is smart enough to win most battles.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yes but that's simply because he is Batman, not necessarily because it makes sense.

DC would never let their top boy lose a fight, even if it makes the most sense.

Same thing happens to Wolverine.

[PemLam]

Comet

[Hound55]

Yes but that's simply because he is Batman, not necessarily because it makes sense.

DC would never let their top boy lose a fight, even if it makes the most sense.

Same thing happens to Wolverine.
Exactly... DC would have Batman win 10 consecutive games of darts against Bullseye.

The powersets suggest however that logically that would never happen...

In these situations though, I think its better to side with logic and rationale in this particular topic... than the writers for DC...

[Genesis 1.0]

SF: Yeah, I was leaning toward variations of original characters and those that have had their powers augmented.

Just seems odd to me.

Walrus: ...............

It's just easier to call you stupid.:o



Stryfe, the time traveling evil clone that owns so much that the universe warps around him, causing him to lose aginst all odds with a dude named Captain Comet by the blowout count of 7-1.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://xrayvision.today.com/files/2009/08/darkseid.jpg

Darkseid

VS

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7207/thanos.jpg

Thanos

[Genesis 1.0]

You don't get more intelligent, tactical, devious, or powerful than these 2 in either Universe with ease.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea this is a great match up.

But are we talking Thanos with or without the gems?

[Silicon Surfer]

Thanos

[Genesis 1.0]

Yea this is a great match up.

But are we talking Thanos with or without the gems?

What?

If it was with the Gems, there wouldn't be a match for him ANYWHERE.:o

[Ace of Knaves]

Heh good point.

I think Thanos would take this. But he is so prone to letting his ego get the better of him, he's his own worst enemy.

Ah **** it, I'm going with the Mad Titan.

[SuperFerret]

Darkseid

[Blacklight]

As powerful as Thanos is, he might not be able to withstand Darkseid's Omega beams.

I vote Darkseid.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Thanos

[Ace of Knaves]

As powerful as Thanos is, he might not be able to withstand Darkseid's Omega beams.

I vote Darkseid.

If Superman can withstand them, Thanos can.

[SuperFerret]

Shh... we're ignoring that.

[Silicon Surfer]

In the Hunger, the Silver Surfer withstood the Omega Effect. It knocked him down and caused pain but no apparent injury. The Surfer got right back up angry. This as close as it gets to establishing his power level with regard to the MU. Darkseid appears to be significantly weaker than the Surfer for what little a crossover matters.

[Blacklight]

In the Hunger, the Silver Surfer withstood the Omega Effect. It knocked him down and caused pain but no apparent injury. The Surfer got right back up angry. This as close as it gets to establishing his power level with regard to the MU. Darkseid appears to be significantly weaker than the Surfer for what little a crossover matters.
If that's the case I think I want to change my vote. I was voting Darkseid based on uncertainty.

[Genesis 1.0]

Thanos and Darkseid both have enormous egos, that's without question. Factof the matter is that these two guys have Superman-class power and durability but more importantly, the ridunkulous intelligence to back it up.

This is going to be a system crushing chess match.

4-1 Thanos

[Anubis]

In the Hunger, the Silver Surfer withstood the Omega Effect. It knocked him down and caused pain but no apparent injury. The Surfer got right back up angry. This as close as it gets to establishing his power level with regard to the MU. Darkseid appears to be significantly weaker than the Surfer for what little a crossover matters.

Yeah but that's the f**king Silver Surfer. Can Thanos....do anything....to the Surfer? He doesn't even have omega Beams.

[Silicon Surfer]

There was a story that has been referred to here that I have never read where Tnanos actually kills the Surfer in combat. Somebody here undoubtedly can tell you what it is.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Thanos took a full on Odin blast and kept smiling, Darksied's going down.

[Johnny Blaze]

Good match up. Definitely could go either way, but I'm going to have to give it to Thanos.

[Johnny Blaze]

Thanos and Darkseid both have enormous egos, that's without question. Factof the matter is that these two guys have Superman-class power and durability but more importantly, the ridunkulous intelligence to back it up.

This is going to be a system crushing chess match.

4-1 Thanos

Thanos and Darkseid are above Supes in terms of power.

[Hound55]

WITHOUT the gems..? now that makes it interesting...

I'm just having difficulty seeing how Darkseid is going to really hurt Thanos...

[Johnny Blaze]

WITHOUT the gems..? now that makes it interesting...

I'm just having difficulty seeing how Darkseid is going to really hurt Thanos...
Darkseid's an absolute beast. You want to see Darkseid when he's not being watered down by DC to make their flagship Superman look good? Read the Great Darkness Saga. Shows just what Darkseid is truly capable of. And, in that story, Darkseid was not at his full power either.

[Hound55]

Darkseid is a beast, but this is Thanos...

That's not me trying to sell Darkseid short, there's a lot of high end characters I just couldn't imagine hurting Thanos.

The guy can take a beating and not show it.

[Silicon Surfer]

In the Great Darkness Saga Darkseid was increased in power over any previous appearance. He had stolen the magic power that Mordru had left after being mostly depowered and he stole the power of a controller who at that time, IIRC, was the Time Trapper. He had never, AFAIK, displayed anythng approaching the power he displayed there.

[Johnny Blaze]

They're pretty close, actually. Darkseid could give Thanos a beating like the one Odin gave him, or worse. Course Thanos would be fighting back for this one, unlike when he took the brunt of Odin's fury.

I'm giving it to Thanos, but then the Titan is my favorite character. So, I'm a bit bias. But Darkseid has just as good a chance as winning as Thanos does.

[Hound55]

I think its a pretty big call to say that Darkseid could unload on Thanos like Odin did...

[Johnny Blaze]

I think its a pretty big call to say that Darkseid could unload on Thanos like Odin did...

He's got it in him. But, again, Thanos wouldn't be sitting their and taking it, like he did with Odin. Still don't think it'd be as easy as some think.

[Johnny Blaze]

In the Great Darkness Saga Darkseid was increased in power over any previous appearance. He had stolen the magic power that Mordru had left after being mostly depowered and he stole the power of a controller who at that time, IIRC, was the Time Trapper. He had never, AFAIK, displayed anythng approaching the power he displayed there.

Yeppers. Been a while since I've read it, but I could've sworn that, when he was addressing the Legion at the end, he mentioned something like he wished he would've fought them back in his heyday, when he was more powerful.

Edit: Yep, after looking into it, he does indeed say his "powers have waned over the millennium."

[SuperFerret]

It's close, but I still say that Darkseid wins this. It'd be a bit more decisive if both were allowed to bring all of their resources to bear, but that's just because I'd like to see the normally solo Thanos tearing a swath through the legions of Apokalips.

[SuperFerret]

Whooo!! Booster Gold!! :awesome:

[Johnny Blaze]

It's close, but I still say that Darkseid wins this. It'd be a bit more decisive if both were allowed to bring all of their resources to bear, but that's just because I'd like to see the normally solo Thanos tearing a swath through the legions of Apokolips.

Thanos has robotic servants, so he would be by his lonesome if he didn't want to be. Though seeing the Titan blasting his way through Apokolips' forces on his way to Darkseid would be a comic I'd love to read. :up:

[SuperFerret]

True, I forgot about Thanos' robots, but even then, they're not near the number that Darkseid's forces are, and Thanos tends to like to do his own work for the most part, where Darkseid sits at the back of his army.

[Johnny Blaze]

True, I forgot about Thanos' robots, but even then, they're not near the number that Darkseid's forces are, and Thanos tends to like to do his own work for the most part, where Darkseid sits at the back of his army.

Yes, Thanos is always looking to challenge himself anyway he can. From outsmarting the Elders of the Universe, to standing toe-to-toe with Tyrant just to prove he can survive it (and steal one of Tyrant's power orbs).

[Majic Walrus]

You won't believe this:

Thanos wins. Darkseid has a better fighting force and in an all out war between Darkseid's armies and Thanos it would be a no-brainer, but as I understand it this is a mano-a-mano fight, right?

If that's the case Thanos can simply take more damage.

[PemLam]

Thanos

[PaleRider]

agreed thanos.

[Genesis 1.0]

You won't believe this:

Thanos wins. Darkseid has a better fighting force and in an all out war between Darkseid's armies and Thanos it would be a no-brainer, but as I understand it this is a mano-a-mano fight, right?

If that's the case Thanos can simply take more damage.

*Wipes a tear from his eye*

My little Walrus is all grown up now.

Look at you, voting based on logic and thinking.

They grow up so fast.:csad:

This battle takes place on a razor's edge, but I'll take Darkseid in this one. Darkseid going all out is a very frightening thing and he's willing and able to dole out th punishment necessary to put down Thanos. Now it's going to take quite a while, this battle's going to destroy planets like Hulk goes through tanks.

The Ace here is who has the shorter fuse, who's going to unload in earnest first and seize the advantage? Based on everything I've seen and highlighted by his battle with Odin, Thanos' ego and analytical nature drive him to see what his opponent can do before acting in force. Darkseid's going to nail him with enough of the Omega Effect to severley weaken him and then pound him into an unconcious state. Thanos loves energy battles but physical assaults have been a weaker point for him before and Darkseid's got that in spades.

9-3 Thanos

[trustyside-kick]

Despite DC's watering down of the villain from time to time, but then putting him back up, but then watering him down again...I'm gonna go with Darkseid. They both got ego issues, but Thanos' is much worse. Like you guys said, he does certain things (don't feel like digging through the post for the exact example :O) just to show he can. His ego is gonna screw him up.

[Genesis 1.0]

Which is interesting since Thanos is the smarter of the two.

9-4 Thanos

[Lobo]

Darkseid by a hair

[Genesis 1.0]

He doesn't have any, unless it's under that weird Head Snuggy.

9-5 Thanos

[Majic Walrus]

*Wipes a tear from his eye*

My little Walrus is all grown up now.

Look at you, voting based on logic and thinking.

They grow up so fast.:csad:

9-3 Thanos

I feel like you're my dad... Except for a mean abusive dad that always beat me and called me things like "Nancy" and one day I go ape**** and stuff...

Thanks Gen. :)

[louiebling$]

Thanos Wins

[Johnny Blaze]

*Wipes a tear from his eye*

My little Walrus is all grown up now.

Look at you, voting based on logic and thinking.

They grow up so fast.:csad:

This battle takes place on a razor's edge, but I'll take Darkseid in this one. Darkseid going all out is a very frightening thing and he's willing and able to dole out th punishment necessary to put down Thanos. Now it's going to take quite a while, this battle's going to destroy planets like Hulk goes through tanks.

The Ace here is who has the shorter fuse, who's going to unload in earnest first and seize the advantage? Based on everything I've seen and highlighted by his battle with Odin, Thanos' ego and analytical nature drive him to see what his opponent can do before acting in force. Darkseid's going to nail him with enough of the Omega Effect to severley weaken him and then pound him into an unconcious state. Thanos loves energy battles but physical assaults have been a weaker point for him before and Darkseid's got that in spades.

9-3 Thanos

Thanos is actually highly skilled in hand to hand combat, having mastered many martial arts from throughout the universe. It just never shows because most of his opponents he can take out with a single strike, blast, etc.

[Majic Walrus]

Thanos is actually highly skilled in hand to hand combat, having mastered many martial arts from throughout the universe. It just never shows because most of his opponents he can take out with a single strike, blast, etc.

:up:

[WolfCypher]

Not that'll it matter now, but Darksied.

[Genesis 1.0]

Thanos is actually highly skilled in hand to hand combat, having mastered many martial arts from throughout the universe. It just never shows because most of his opponents he can take out with a single strike, blast, etc.

Skills that he rarely ever utilizes and barely eve factors into it. In all appearances, he shuns physical combat.

So he gets his face pushed back with a Master's Degree in Intergalactic Bruce Lee.:o


Two of the most Intelligent villians in the history of comics do battle as the Magister of Apokolips and the Mad Titan Eternal take a little piece out of the universe with this one.

In the end, it is Thanos, the Mad Titan that emerges victorious with a 10-6 victory.

[Silicon Surfer]

In the Adam Warlock/Universal Church story where Adam and Thanos meet, Thanos exhausts his stores of energy in the big fight and he and Adam wade through thousands of soldiers hth. So his hth competence was established early on.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/6039/magog2.jpg

Magog

VS

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/4127/ironman.jpg

Iron Man

[Genesis 1.0]

This is JSA Magog, not the Kingdom Come version.

Although the current version seems to have alot of similarities.

[Johnny Blaze]

Don't know **** about the JSA Magog, so I'm abstaining for this one.

In the Adam Warlock/Universal Church story where Adam and Thanos meet, Thanos exhausts his stores of energy in the big fight and he and Adam wade through thousands of soldiers hth. So his hth competence was established early on.

Yeppers. Thanos has actually showed his martial prowess on a few occasions. Which is why this "he never utilizes it" thing is mind bottling.

[SuperFerret]

How far off of the KC Magog is this one?

[trustyside-kick]

Magog

[Anubis]

How far off of the KC Magog is this one?

Eh, not very. Could he survive a ground zero Nuke like KC? Don't know.

[Blacklight]

Iron Man

[louiebling$]

Iron Man