The Ultimate DC/Marvel Tournament

[PaleRider]

magog

[Harlekin]

Iron Man

[3dman27]

iron man

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Magog

[Ace of Knaves]

Iron Man. Stark is more intelligent and a better tactician. Not to mention he has the advantage of flight and a wider array of attacks.

[PemLam]

Iron Man

[trustyside-kick]

Magog

[Majic Walrus]

Kingdom Come Magog would win, but since this is the way suckier JSA version I'm going to throw in with Tony.

[Lobo]

Just read through current Magog history and powerset etc. Tony wins, but not so easily.

[Genesis 1.0]

Magog's raw power and durability are going to give Tony fits, I don't see his armor holding up under a Magog onslaught for very long. IF Tony can use his greater agility to avoid become a pastry then he'd have a chance to win.

That's a damn big if.


8-4 Iron Man

[Lobo]

Good thing that Tony's kinda smart then, ain't it Gen? :p

[Silicon Surfer]

Magog

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah he is smart, but Magog's no slouch and he is used to targeting people faster than him and airborne.

8-5 Iron Man

[Anubis]

Considering that this Magog is still basically a rookie, I'm gonna go with Stark.

[Genesis 1.0]

Rookie? Not really.

KC Magog would turn Tony into a tomato can.

You people are never satisfied.

[Genesis 1.0]

Double Post.

9-5 Iron Man

[Majic Walrus]

Magog's raw power and durability are going to give Tony fits, I don't see his armor holding up under a Magog onslaught for very long. IF Tony can use his greater agility to avoid become a pastry then he'd have a chance to win.

That's a damn big if.


8-4 Iron Man

When did I start voting for Marvel and you for DC?

[Anubis]

Rookie? Not really.

KC Magog would turn Tony into a tomato can.

You people are never satisfied.


This ain't KC Magog, unless you up and changed it because of your peer pressure problem.

[Genesis 1.0]

When did I start voting for Marvel and you for DC?

What can I say? When it comes to comics, I go both ways.:awesome:

Anubis: For someone that's usually so sharp, it's pretty ull of you to miss something so mundane. I was saying that IF it had been KC Magog, then that would be the case.

As to peer pressure, sometimes it's good to get things from another prespective. The rest of the world calls it being open minded.:o

For reasons stated in my earler argument, I'm throwing down with Magog.


Tony Stary one of Marvel's best millitary and intellectual marvels takes on one of the DCU's 'new breed' in Magog. Pure power and durability meets agility and intelligence and in the end, Magog comes down with a bad case of whupass. The diagnosis: 9-6 victory for Iron Man.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7710/quasarphylavell.jpg

Quasar

VS

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8600/jade1m.jpg

Jade

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Quasar

[Anubis]

The green whore.

[SuperFerret]

Since when does Quasar have ovaries?

[Anubis]

Since Wendell got "killed" by Annihilus during Annihilation, and Phyla Vell (Captain Mar-Vell's other kid) took up the mantel. Of course Wendell's back now, and Phyla's "dead".

[Genesis 1.0]

And now she's Martyr, avatar of Oblivion. Which kicks ass.

Phyla also absorbs energy attacks to a VERY high degree and uses it to power herself further in addition to the Quantum Bands.

I wonder how long it's going to take Jade to realize she's not doing damage and just try to beat her to deah with blunt constructs. Jade's a very smart and resourceful little chick with a baaad temper, this one's going to get out of hand quick.

1-1 TIE

[Anubis]

Plus, Phyla's sucked as a Quasar. All she ever did was run around with a construct sword and occasionally blasted people with some energy.

[Blacklight]

Queef-sar

[Genesis 1.0]

Plus, Phyla's sucked as a Quasar. All she ever did was run around with a construct sword and occasionally blasted people with some energy.

For someone thrown into it against her will, she did pretty well. Showed alot of power and could take an insane amount of punishment.

For me, Jade's going to end up feeding Phyla power and then she's going to get overpowered before she realizes her mistake. No one comes in expecting their primary weapon to be neautralized and used against them off the bat.

Even if this doesn't end quickly, the longer this goes, it still favors Phyla in the end. She's shown a high degree of Durability and on the whole from my point of view, is more intelligent than the overtly emotional Jade.

Quasar

3-1 Quasar

[Hound55]

As Blacklight dubbed before me...

Fanny-fart-Sar.

[louiebling$]

I can't decide

[Majic Walrus]

Quasar does have more power than Jade Quantum anything is pretty powerful. I have to vote for Jade though, I think Jade is far more imaginative, creative, and will powered.

Jade FTW.

[Genesis 1.0]

4-2 Quasar

[Silicon Surfer]

The Quantum Bands are ineffective against magic which is what Jade's powers are. Thus they are effectively out of the fight. Jade ftw.

[Johnny Blaze]

As much as I dislike the character, I have to go with Jade in a close one.

[Genesis 1.0]

The Quantum Bands are ineffective against magic which is what Jade's powers are. Thus they are effectively out of the fight. Jade ftw.

The Starheart isn't 'magic' in the Marvel sense of things, it's not classifiable as agic under most standards. Even if you took this line of thought, as frail as it is, Quasar's still capable of creating contructs that are just as deadly and creative as any Green Lantern hybrid.

4-4 TIE

[Johnny Blaze]

Yeah, the Starheart is magic. It's the gathered magical energy from the Guardian's war on magic throughout the cosmos billions of years ago. :huh:

[Anubis]

Plus, as I said before, Phyla sucked as a Quasar. Y?ou can't count on what she could do, all you can go by is what she will do, which slash a bit with her sword, then get her ass kicked.

[Genesis 1.0]

Pfft.

People always base these battles on what the character's capable of instead of what they tend to do. You've been b****ing at them long enough about it to know.

As to Jade, she can't affect Quasar's powers either, so it's not as if Phyla's constructs or attacks can be negated.

[Ace of Knaves]

Phyla had a bit of trouble living up to Wendell if I remember rightly. She doubted herself, which weakens her. But she did take on the Super Adaptoid who was also with many Phalanx warriors on numerous occasions, not winning, but holding her own for the most part.

But Jade is at one with her powers, she has no self doubt. But she loses her temper, which isn't a good thing as the ol kung fu masters say.

Hmmm I think if Phyla reaches her true potential she wins. The power of the Quantum bands is greater than the Emerald light of Will.

Phyla.

[3dman27]

jade

[Silicon Surfer]

Jade's powers can affect Quasar's just fine. She doesn't have the same limitation. Also the Wikipedia entry on Wendall says that he is not protected from magical compulsion. So Jade can attack her mind because the bands protect the mind from psi attacks not magical ones.

[Genesis 1.0]

What part of Quasar's construct powers will work just fine on Jade isn't clear. Magic users can't affect Quasar's powers anymore than Quasar can affect magic.

6-5 Jade

[PemLam]

Jade

[trustyside-kick]

Jade

[PaleRider]

jade

[Genesis 1.0]

On one hand we hav one of the most prolific whores in all of comics, and on the other we have one of the most whiny, uninspired heirs to a legacy in all of comics. In the end, ****ty trumps emo as Jade wins 9-5 over Quasar.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/6930/haljordant.jpg

Hal Jordan

VS

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7558/ronantheaccuser.jpg

Ronan the Accuser

[SuperFerret]

Ronan the Accuser, unless voting for Hal would annoy Gen. :oldrazz:

[Genesis 1.0]

Pfft.

It's Anubis that doesn't like Hal. Jordan's actually my favorte DC character besides Wally and Darkseid.

But if that was a DC over Marvel quip, then redirect it to Walrus.:o

1-0 Ronan

[SuperFerret]

Nah, it was more poking fun at any and all of the biases everyone has here. :awesome:

[Blacklight]

I think Ronan has it in him too.

I vote the Accuser

[3dman27]

GL:kyle::kyle:

[Anubis]

I f**king hate Hal Jordan....but I think he could take Ronin.

[Silicon Surfer]

Hal fairly easily.

[Johnny Blaze]

I'm not a Hal fan either, but he'd take Ronin down.

[PaleRider]

Ronan, but it would be a cool fight to see.

[Majic Walrus]

Hal.

[Ace of Knaves]

If Ronan can hold on long enough for Hal's power to wane (which I think he can) I think he takes it. He's has superhuman durability and strength, is a genius level military tactician and that Universal Weapon he wields manipulates cosmic energy like no mans business.

Hal's only advantage in this is flight I think.

Ronan.

[Hound55]

Its the ring vs the Universal weapon...

Generally, cosmic > GL ring... but Ronan the Accuser is no herald of Galactus...

I'll throw in with Hal. Take the best Lantern over a middling cosmic force...

[Ace of Knaves]

But Hal is just a puny human! Ronan is ****ing nails. I think it comes down to durability. Ronan could take a **** ton of what Hal's got to offer with the Emerald light of Will. The same couldn't be said for Hal and the Universal Weapon and super human strength I don't think.

[Hound55]

Yeah, but Hal's pretty damn awesome with that ring though...

Granted if Ronan penetrates and gets at Hal, he'll be down for the count. I'm just not convinced that Hal wouldn't unleash the beast though... the second he picks up on the capabilities of the Universal Weapon he's going to unload.

Ronan has greater durability physically, but I don't know that he'll actually be able to get at Hal under heavy fire.

[Ace of Knaves]

Good points.

Ronan can also cloak himself too, make himself invisible. Would the ring be able to pick that up? If he got the drop on Hal and got in close, game over.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Jordan!

[Hound55]

Good points.

Ronan can also cloak himself too, make himself invisible. Would the ring be able to pick that up? If he got the drop on Hal and got in close, game over.
Technically, if he could bend light to make himself invisible wouldn't he be capable of just walking through Hal and punching him repeatedly in the face?

[Silicon Surfer]

Hal can also turn invisible. Hal could just: stop time, take the univesal weapon and Ronan's armor, stash them somewhere and then unfreeze time leaving Ronan standing on the battlefield without a stitch. With time stopped the Universal Weapon and Armor could not utilize any safeguards against Hal. Not really Hal's style but he has been known to do odd stuff now and then.

[CanaryFan]

Ronin

[Ace of Knaves]

Hal can also turn invisible. Hal could just: stop time, take the univesal weapon and Ronan's armor, stash them somewhere and then unfreeze time leaving Ronan standing on the battlefield without a stitch. With time stopped the Universal Weapon and Armor could not utilize any safeguards against Hal. Not really Hal's style but he has been known to do odd stuff now and then.

Hal Jordan can stop time? I've read everything from Rebirth onwards, and I've never seen him do that even in the most dire of situations.

[SuperFerret]

Jordan tends to like to punch the **** out of his opponents, and while he'll occasionally pull some ingenuity out of his ass, 8 times out of ten he'll go punch for punch, and I don't see him standing up to Ronan like that for long.

[Johnny Blaze]

But Hal is just a puny human! Ronan is ****ing nails. Whether he's ****ing nails, or ****ing them, doesn't matter. Both sound equally painful. :o :csad:

[Ace of Knaves]

:funny: Hard as nails is what I mean :D

[Sparta*]

Definatley Hal, IMO the best person to ever wear a GL ring

[Johnny Blaze]

:funny: Hard as nails is what I mean :D

Right on. I was getting worried for Ronin's back door there for a second. :csad:

[SuperFerret]

Oh that Ronan. :awesome:

[Genesis 1.0]

Hal can also turn invisible. Hal could just: stop time, take the univesal weapon and Ronan's armor, stash them somewhere and then unfreeze time leaving Ronan standing on the battlefield without a stitch. With time stopped the Universal Weapon and Armor could not utilize any safeguards against Hal. Not really Hal's style but he has been known to do odd stuff now and then.

Ronan also has time displacement abilities, so he too could screw with time and beat the brakes off Hal and disprse the bubble for an ended match. Neither of them are known for doing this sort of thing but they've both shown themselves capable.

Where's the advantage again?

There really isn't an edge between them.

Ronan can fly and so can Hal.

Ronan's a better tactican, Hal's as ily a veteran as you'll ever find.

Ronan's Universal Weapon packs just as much of a punch as the Ring and in addition he can transmute matter.

Hal can shield himself and Ronan can create force fields.

Ronan can use cosmic power to use concussive force blasts and Hal can use the Ring to bludgeon and blast.

Hal can use wormholes to travel and Ronan can teleport across star systems.

Ronan's weapon is powered by his will and so is Hal's.



So where's the reasoning behind the mentally bankrupt 'Hal wins easy'?

I'm throwing down with Ronan because fanboy logic is pathetic.:o

8-7 Hal Joran

[Silicon Surfer]

Hal Jordan can stop time? I've read everything from Rebirth onwards, and I've never seen him do that even in the most dire of situations.

AFAIK he still has the same knowledge and capabilities he had as Parallax.The only difference being the amount of green energy he has at his command. This would include the absorption and manipulation of chronal energy. In addition the pre-crisis version did stop time throughout an entire solar system. Ronan was given a hard fight by Gamora who had nothing more than physical prowess. The amount of raw power that a GL has at his command is waaay beyond what Gamora has. There are probably many rookie GL's who could simply swat Ronan with more power than the Universal Weapon could handle. The UW is useful and an interesting weapon but it's simply not on the same level as a GL ring, not even close.

[Genesis 1.0]

Since ______ put up a fight they can beat ______.

That's lazy, uninspired BS and I expect better from you and I usually see it even when I disagree.

Ronan has also gone head to head with the Fantastic 4, Silver Surfer, Super Skrull, and a host of other characters that far outclass Gamora and in the case of Surfer, Green Lantern.

Keep digging for that lowest common denominator to support your failing argument though.

[Anubis]

Just because he went "head to head" with all those dudes you just mentioned doesn't mean he beat them. I mean, by that logic, The Prankster could beat Ronan cuz he went head to head with Superman. :p

[Silicon Surfer]

Well Gamora could quite possibly take the FF. The only threat to her they have is Sue. I would give her even odds against Super Skrull.

[Silicon Surfer]

Double Post. Second one this evening.

[PaleRider]

What about when Ronan whooped Ravenous at the end of annihilation. That guy was taking on heralds of Galactus.

[Anubis]

And then he got his ass kicked by insert lesser seeming being during the next two space events. Also, Firelord and Airwalker are pretty Meh when it comes to Heralds of Galactus.

[Ace of Knaves]

He gave a suped up Surfer a good fight too though. Ravenous I mean.

[PemLam]

Jordan

[Silicon Surfer]

According to the Handbooks, Johnny Storm has more energy output than Firelord. He just doesn't have the strength, durability and whatnot. Firelord isn't really all that powerful.

[Blacklight]

According to the Handbooks, Johnny Storm has more energy output than Firelord. He just doesn't have the strength, durability and whatnot. Firelord isn't really all that powerful.
If the horrible dialogue in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 taught me anything, it's that freakin' Spider-Man beat Firelord... :p

[Genesis 1.0]

The greatest Green Lantern to ever wear the ring and Ronan the Accuser, modern scion ofthe Kree Empire, go head to head in a clash of epic proportions. The Ring and the Universal Weapon nearly cancel each other out but in the end, Hal Jordan wins 9-7 because.......he's Hal Jordan.

[Johnny Blaze]

God, I hate Hal. :o :csad:

:cmad:

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Pfft, Alan Scott is the greatest GL to ever wear the ring!

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7341/superboyprime.jpg

Superboy Prime

VS

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/348/galactuscool.jpg

Annihilation Class Galactus


{{{Requested Match}}}

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Galactus

[Genesis 1.0]

God, I hate Hal. :o :csad:

:cmad:

1.) Hal beats your mother at night.

2.) Hal Jordan kicks ass.

3.) No, there's no logical reason for him to win but that's why we play the game.


1-0 Galactus

[Johnny Blaze]

1.) Hal blows my balls at night.

2.) Hal Jordan takes it up the ass.

3.) No, there's no logical reason for him to win but that's why we play the game.


1-0 Galactus
Fixed. :up:


And I vote for Galactus.

[louiebling$]

Galactus

[SuperFerret]

Fixed. :up:


And I vote for Galactus.

What he said.

[Silicon Surfer]

Galactus

According to powerset, Spider Man should be very formidable but they rarely write it that way. Firelord only has 40 ton strength and his physical durability is only moderate so it's not that unreasonable for him to lose. Spidey has also beaten Titania and Crusher Creel so badly that they paniced and took hostages in order to get away.

[Anubis]

Galactus

[Blacklight]

I'll throw a vote Galactus' way as well.

[PaleRider]

a very tough fight but I have to vote Galactus

[Genesis 1.0]

I warned him this would happen.

Reality punches and tremendous strength just ain't gonna cut it against Galactus.

8-0 Galactus

[Hound55]

Galactus.

*Awaits Majic Walrus response*

[Ace of Knaves]

Prime doesn't have energy projection does he? Apart from his eyes obviously.

I don't think he's just gonna be able to fly around and punch Galactus into submission.

Galactus FTW.

[3dman27]

pfft, alan scott is the greatest gl to ever wear the ring!

qft

[PemLam]

Prime couldn't hold Galactus's jock.

Galactus FTW.

[CanaryFan]

Galactus

[Majic Walrus]

Galactus.

*Awaits Majic Walrus response*

Galactus. He could EAT the planet that Superboy was currently on I think he could take care of Prime.

[Hound55]

*Sits down*

[Sparta*]

Galac

[Genesis 1.0]

I'm going with Galactus as well.


Damn.

Just....Damn.

Galactus defeats Suprboy Prime 15-0.

[Sparta*]

a beat-down, but a cool match-up none the less Genesis :up:

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5020/azrael.jpg

Azrael

VS

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2818/starlord.jpg

Star Lord

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Azrael

[Genesis 1.0]

Peter Quill vs. Jean Paul

1-0 Azrael

[louiebling$]

Azreal

[Anubis]

Starlord.

Laser pistols trump kung fu.

[Silicon Surfer]

Starlord. He also has the power to fly and can do a Peter Pan number on him.

[WolfCypher]

Azrael

[PemLam]

Starlord

[Majic Walrus]

Peter Quill vs. Jean Paul

1-0 Azrael

If this was the new Azrael he might have a shot but against Jean Paul.... Starlard FTW.

[Genesis 1.0]

Star Lord's really underrated considering what he can do and what he's capable of, even without the gun. Jean Paul is experienced and his tech and abilities match up well with Quill.

Without a doubt, Peter's not going to nail Azrael with the first round.

4-3 Star Lord

[CanaryFan]

Azrael

[Johnny Blaze]

Star Lord.

[Genesis 1.0]

I'm going Azrael in close one.


Azrael plays hide and seek with an elemental gun but in the end, Peter Quill gets tagged and Jean Paul goes on to win 6-4 over Star Lord.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/634/drstrange.png

Classic Dr. Strange

VS

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7579/martianmanhunter.jpg

Martian Manhunter



{{{Requested Match}}}

[Silicon Surfer]

J'onn easily. Strange has always had trouble with fast hard attacks.

[Genesis 1.0]

Since when does J'onn ever sart out a fight with a physical attack? For that matter, he's another Supes when it comes to using his Speed.

No, MM's going to play mind games right off the bat, but in any case, Strange has shields that have withstood assaults from Dorma so I'd say he can defend against Manhunter. Most of Strange's magic comes as quickly as thought and the Crimson Bands will hold even a shapeshifting Manhunter, tey held Juggernaut afterall.

Strange has a will and experience to defend himself mentally, enough to buy himself time to put the beat down on J'onn. Then there's that pesky Soul Gem of his.

Dr. Strange

1-1 TIE

[Johnny Blaze]

If it's classic Doc Strange, J'onn doesn't stand a chance.

I'm going Azrael in close one.


Azrael plays hide and seek with an elemental gun but in the end, Peter Quill gets tagged and Jean Paul goes on to win 6-4 over Star Lord.

It's actually a tie vote, 5-5. My vote broke the 4-all deadlock for Star Lord and yours tied it up again.

[SuperFerret]

Dr. Strange

[Genesis 1.0]

If it's classic Doc Strange, J'onn doesn't stand a chance.



It's actually a tie vote, 5-5. My vote broke the 4-all deadlock for Star Lord and yours tied it up again.

True, I appreciate that. I'll send it in to Judge Dread for a decision.

Buton your early point, that's what I'm thinking, which is why I don't get Surfer's logic that it's J'onn easy. Classic Dr. Strange is more than capable of using defenses able to deflect Manuhunter's attacks and then he's going to bind and proceed to dismantle him.

Strange has beaten alot tougher guys and badly.

3-1 Dr. Strange.

[SuperFerret]

"Dr. Strange" is comic book for Deus ex Machina.

[Silicon Surfer]

Strange has been unable to hold the Crimson Bands against the Hulk, been barely able to survive an attack by a master of Kiai-Jutsu, and has been barely able to hold a defense against a Dormammu who was toying with him. He has referred on more that one occasion to the fact that he has only a limited store of personal power which is easily exhausted. One of those occasions being the fight with the Kiai-Jutsu master who blamed Strange for the death of his grandaughter. He has also on more than one occasion mentioned that his better spells take time to cast. This was also mentioned in the same fight mentioned above. If he hadn't managed to penetrate the old man's grief Strange would have been killed in that fight. Unless J'onn waits until Strange raises a sophisticated defense he should be able to tear through Strange's defenses like tissue paper. Strange's formidibility was due to his being a walking warehouse of plot devices not due to his raw power which was only moderate.

[3dman27]

the manhunter from mars

[PemLam]

Manhunter

[Majic Walrus]

This is a good fight, people underestimate what both of these guys can do. I think when it comes down to it's going to be J'onn's strength and speed that wins.

MM.

[Ace of Knaves]

I agree with Walrus. J'onn is near Superman level strength, speed and durability. That tips it in his favour I think.

[Wilderbeast]

Doc Strange

[Sparta*]

Definatley Dr.Strange

[Chunin]

The supreme Dr. Strange

[Genesis 1.0]

Strange has been unable to hold the Crimson Bands against the Hulk, been barely able to survive an attack by a master of Kiai-Jutsu, and has been barely able to hold a defense against a Dormammu who was toying with him. He has referred on more that one occasion to the fact that he has only a limited store of personal power which is easily exhausted. One of those occasions being the fight with the Kiai-Jutsu master who blamed Strange for the death of his grandaughter. He has also on more than one occasion mentioned that his better spells take time to cast. This was also mentioned in the same fight mentioned above. If he hadn't managed to penetrate the old man's grief Strange would have been killed in that fight. Unless J'onn waits until Strange raises a sophisticated defense he should be able to tear through Strange's defenses like tissue paper. Strange's formidibility was due to his being a walking warehouse of plot devices not due to his raw power which was only moderate.

You know, I could go feat for feat and you would still be in denial so maybe I can demonstrate otherwise with visual aides.

Strange vs The In Betweener:

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3501/ib17wg.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5360/ib22ut.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/6277/ib31wr.jpg


You want Superman class durability?

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3083/jug5wr.jpg

More Durability you say?

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5425/vs10ep.jpg


If you don't GET IT by now, then you're hopeless. This is Classic Dr. Strange and he owns your soul.:o



6-5 Dr. Strange

[SuperFerret]

Holy Gigantic Images, Genesis!

[Genesis 1.0]

Maybe it'll penetrate his f'n skull now.

In Betweener >>>>> MM

Hulk, Spidey, Wolvrine, Black Bolt >>>>> MM

Taking a blow from Juggernaut >>>>>> No Durability Claim

Even Hooked on Phonics doesn't go this far.

[SuperFerret]

All Strange needs to do is use one of his many spells that have a fire element and J'onn's weakness will be revealed. Since the Doc's a smart guy, he'd realize it and take control. I love J'onn, he's my favorite character in comics, but my third favorite takes him.

[Genesis 1.0]

That's a good point.

J'onn's you fav in ALL of comics?

[SuperFerret]

Yep. Has been for a while.

[Anubis]

Doc Strange

[PaleRider]

Yeah Dr. Strange

[Silicon Surfer]

In order: In the fight with the In-Betweener, he calls on Lord Chaos and Master Order to empower his spells. They have to actively respond to his desire for their power or Strange is just waving his hands in the air. It says on panel that the spells are powered by them. That means that it is not coming from Strange. If Lord Chaos and Master Order hadn't wanted him to win he wouldn't have. On the second, That is a very small segment of the fight to judge from but nonetheless when Juggernaut connected that should have been the end of the fight. Despite Strange's magic prowess, his physical attributes are still that of a middle aged human. That blow should have killed him. From what little I can see of that fight I chalk that one up to pure PIS. The last one is too small a segment to judge from. However I don't consider Hulk, Spidey, Black Bolt and Wolverine singly or in any combination to be anywhere near MM. The Hulk possesses the most raw power of that group and he is still a flea by comparison. I am well aware that many consider the top Marvel characters to be on a par with DC's top but I have stated on more than one occasion that I am not one of them. DC's strongest characters are at a minimum ten's of thousands of times as strong as the Hulk. Since I don't know what magic Strange was wielding, it's result or the nature of the situation I have no way of knowing whether J"onn's greater physical strength and durability would have made a difference in that situation or not.

[Genesis 1.0]

In order: In the fight with the In-Betweener, he calls on Lord Chaos and Master Order to empower his spells. They have to actively respond to his desire for their power or Strange is just waving his hands in the air. It says on panel that the spells are powered by them. That means that it is not coming from Strange. If Lord Chaos and Master Order hadn't wanted him to win he wouldn't have. On the second, That is a very small segment of the fight to judge from but nonetheless when Juggernaut connected that should have been the end of the fight. Despite Strange's magic prowess, his physical attributes are still that of a middle aged human. That blow should have killed him. From what little I can see of that fight I chalk that one up to pure PIS. The last one is too small a segment to judge from. However I don't consider Hulk, Spidey, Black Bolt and Wolverine singly or in any combination to be anywhere near MM. The Hulk possesses the most raw power of that group and he is still a flea by comparison. I am well aware that many consider the top Marvel characters to be on a par with DC's top but I have stated on more than one occasion that I am not one of them. DC's strongest characters are at a minimum ten's of thousands of times as strong as the Hulk. Since I don't know what magic Strange was wielding, it's result or the nature of the situation I have no way of knowing whether J"onn's greater physical strength and durability would have made a difference in that situation or not.

:doh: Seriously? I swear I heard brain cells dying during the making of this post.

Citing something as irrelevant simply because they're being powered by an outside force is asanine. Are you going to discount Superman because he's powered by the yellow sun's rays? Or perhaps because the Hulk draws his strength from anger? Of course not, because it's foolish and so is your 'pretend point'.

Theres no evidence to suggest that Lord Chaos and Master Order wouldn't do the same under dire circumstances. Nevermind the fact that he has the skills and mastery of the art to utilize the power. Just as having power and not being able to use it is, in effect, without point. What you call a moderate source of personal power, Strange has usedto make himself the most formidable mortal magic user in the MU, and his mastery of the art has even trumped those classed as immortal.

Fact of the matter is that in the fact of someone with tremendous power like the In-Betweener Dr. Strange already knew exactly what to do to not only defeat him but to humiliate him. Saying Manhunter is faster and stronger means nothing, everyone Strange faces has huge power advantages, Strange makes a living out of beating the odds.

As to you saying Juggernaut's strikes should have killed him just showcases the hols riddling your agument like a slice of Swiss f'n cheese. Just another case of Strange using his moderate personal power to withstand not one but several blows from a guy that's staggerd the likes of Gladiator and the Hulk. So you can scrap the 'Manhunter pokes him with a pinky and game over'. It's blatantly false.

The Hulk's raw power is a flea next to Manhunter? DC's top tier are tens of thousands of times stronger than the Hulk?

You're not even talking about fighting, you're talking about raw power. With a guy who has no upper limit in strength, all he has to do is get more angry and he's got no trouble doing that minus a working brain.

I hate Hulk marks more than I hate Batman marks but even I can tell you that you're talking out of your right cheek and I ain't talking about your face.

Dr. Strange has the power, knowledge, means, and will to defeat Martian Manhunter and it's not a knock to J'onn to say that. I'm not concerned with comparing power classes betwen DC and Marvel, this is just common sense. Which you are clearly lacking.


8-5 Dr. Strange

[Blacklight]

Strange

[Majic Walrus]

I love it when Gen gets worked up.

[SuperFerret]

It is quite funny.

[Johnny Blaze]

:bh:

Gen mad! GEN SMASH!!

[louiebling$]

Strange

[Silicon Surfer]

:doh: Seriously? I swear I heard brain cells dying during the making of this post.

Citing something as irrelevant simply because they're being powered by an outside force is asanine. Are you going to discount Superman because he's powered by the yellow sun's rays? Or perhaps because the Hulk draws his strength from anger? Of course not, because it's foolish and so is your 'pretend point'.

Theres no evidence to suggest that Lord Chaos and Master Order wouldn't do the same under dire circumstances. Nevermind the fact that he has the skills and mastery of the art to utilize the power. Just as having power and not being able to use it is, in effect, without point. What you call a moderate source of personal power, Strange has usedto make himself the most formidable mortal magic user in the MU, and his mastery of the art has even trumped those classed as immortal.

Fact of the matter is that in the fact of someone with tremendous power like the In-Betweener Dr. Strange already knew exactly what to do to not only defeat him but to humiliate him. Saying Manhunter is faster and stronger means nothing, everyone Strange faces has huge power advantages, Strange makes a living out of beating the odds.

As to you saying Juggernaut's strikes should have killed him just showcases the hols riddling your agument like a slice of Swiss f'n cheese. Just another case of Strange using his moderate personal power to withstand not one but several blows from a guy that's staggerd the likes of Gladiator and the Hulk. So you can scrap the 'Manhunter pokes him with a pinky and game over'. It's blatantly false.

The Hulk's raw power is a flea next to Manhunter? DC's top tier are tens of thousands of times stronger than the Hulk?

You're not even talking about fighting, you're talking about raw power. With a guy who has no upper limit in strength, all he has to do is get more angry and he's got no trouble doing that minus a working brain.

I hate Hulk marks more than I hate Batman marks but even I can tell you that you're talking out of your right cheek and I ain't talking about your face.

Dr. Strange has the power, knowledge, means, and will to defeat Martian Manhunter and it's not a knock to J'onn to say that. I'm not concerned with comparing power classes betwen DC and Marvel, this is just common sense. Which you are clearly lacking.


8-5 Dr. Strange

Tell me, if Iron Man asks Thor for help in a fight and Thor does 90% of the fight does that count as a win for Iron Man. Likewise When Strange calls on Lord Chaos and Master Order for help and they agree to assist and they provide the means for victory, how does that count as a victory for Strange?

[SuperFerret]

The Hulk has an upper limit in his strength. There's a limit to how mad he can get.

[Silicon Surfer]

The Hulk has an upper limit in his strength. There's a limit to how mad he can get.

And on two occasions that I know of he has reached that limit. The first fight with the Abomination and in the crossroads dimension when he was stepped on by the Dino. In both cases I believe they say flat out that the Hulk cannot get strong enough. In the Abomination fight Hulk was actually beaten to death. The Army had to uncroak him.

[Johnny Blaze]

Tell me, if Iron Man asks Thor for help in a fight and Thor does 90% of the fight does that count as a win for Iron Man. Likewise When Strange calls on Lord Chaos and Master Order for help and they agree to assist and they provide the means for victory, how does that count as a victory for Strange?

That's not really a good analogy at all. Calling on higher powers, cosmic entities, and god-like beings for spells and power is pretty much how magic goes in the MU.

[SuperFerret]

Yeah, all of Strange's magic involves invoking the names of Agamotto, Watoomb and the like.

[Silicon Surfer]

That's not really a good analogy at all. Calling on higher powers, cosmic entities, and god-like beings for spells and power is pretty much how magic goes in the MU.

Actually that's exactly how that sort of magic works in the MU. Different entities act differently according to their nature. Dormammu for example provided only raw power to Mordo, believing that if he could not win with that advantage then he didn't deserve to. Calling on Agammotto on the other hand has seemed to bring enlightenment and info more than raw power. Manipulators such as Lord Chaos and Master Order or Mephisto tend to provide whatever it takes to achieve what they desire even if isn't always apparent to the recipient. If they percieved Monkey Joe (assuming he were still alive) wishing for power to combat a foe, they could provide both power and knowledge to defeat that foe even if it meant making him a sorceror superior to Strange for the duration. That sort of thing is the day job of entity class beings.

[Genesis 1.0]

:bh:

Gen mad! GEN SMASH!!

Screw all of ya.:hehe:



Mystic Power meets Martian Might as the Sorcerer Supreme goes against the overwhelming strength and speed of the Martian Manunter. In the end, Stephen's big finale ends with him pulling a big f'n 10-5 win over J'onn out of his hat.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5960/doomsday2.jpg

Doomsday

VS

http://i33.tinypic.com/30lhuh1.jpg

The Hulk

[Sparta*]

Hulk

[Silicon Surfer]

Doomsday

[Anubis]

Doomsday

[Majic Walrus]

There can be no winners in the fight. But everyone within 1,000 miles loses that's for damn sure.

Seriously though these guys are basically the same character as far as powers are concerned the difference is all intelligence. Doomsday wins.

[Anubis]

Actually, the difference is that Doomsday is as fast as Superman, and far stronger right off the bat.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Hulk smash!

[CanaryFan]

Doomsday

[Genesis 1.0]

This one ain't ending no time soon and that works in Hulk's favor, the longer this goes on the more angry he gets and to begin with he's got enough to lossen D-Day's teeth.

Both of them have insane healing factors and neither will tire anytime soon. It can be effectively said that neither of these guys have ever come face to face with someone quite like each other.

Time is the key, it's going to be long and in the end, it's going to be the Hulk holding the swiftly regenerating head of Doomsday.

4-3 Doomsday

[Anubis]

I don't think it will go on for that long. I mean, Doomsday isn't Superman. He does not hold back. He'll beat Hulk into a green smear on the pavement before Hulk even gets the chance to get into a real tizzy. Much like Titanus did.

[Silicon Surfer]

The Hulk has been beaten in relatively short fights by weaker than Doomsday. I believe that he has been one-punched by Iron Man, and beaten several times by Namor. This fight won't last for more than a few seconds considering Doomsday's super speed.

[trustyside-kick]

Anyone have scans of Iron Man and Namor beating Hulk?

[Silicon Surfer]

I don't have a link but Leader's Lair had a number of the Hulk/Namor fights.

[WolfCypher]

Hulk wins the first fight. then Doomsday comes backs, adapts to the beating he took, and beats the Hulk. Then Red Hulk enters and I stop caring.

[Blacklight]

I think that Doomsday will win, his superspeed and being able to come back from the dead being the only advantages he has over Hulk

[louiebling$]

Wait which Hulk is this? Green Scar? Or plain ole "Hulk Smash" Hulk?

[Piz]

Doomsday would probably win

[PaleRider]

Doomsday. and does anyone know what that pic of doomsday is from?

[Johnny Blaze]

My heart says Hulk, but my head says Doomsday. I think he'd take Jolly Green down before he could get going. :csad:

[Anubis]

Doomsday. and does anyone know what that pic of doomsday is from?


Kinda looks like Michael Turner, so possibly that Supergirl arc of Superman/Batman.

[Blacklight]

Kinda looks like Michael Turner, so possibly that Supergirl arc of Superman/Batman.
Ironically enough, the Hulk pic is also Mike Turner.

[Hound55]

Depends on what counts as a "win".

Eventually Doomsday will kill Hulk, even if it takes him dying and evolving to the situation a few times... But if "death = loss" it changes things up a little.

Stuff like Iron Man and Namor one-shotting Hulk I wouldn't put too much credence into though since Hulk's power has amped up over the years and its most recent incantation.

Doomsday.

[louiebling$]

If this is Green Scar Hulk it makes a difference because he's just as savage as DD.

But if its plain old hulk...... DD will win it.

[3dman27]

hulk

[PemLam]

Doomsday

[Ace of Knaves]

Hmmm good fight. Must contemplate over a Stella and a spliff.

[Genesis 1.0]

If this is Green Scar Hulk it makes a difference because he's just as savage as DD.

But if its plain old hulk...... DD will win it.

Per rules, the most current version since I didn't bother to place any special stips on it. Which makes it Green Scar.

This fight is going to take longer than a few moments as some usual suspects have thrown out there.

And no, Surfer, I'm not saying it's a window into your soul but it's a window into your soul.

Hulk going all out and his healing factor says he lasts long enough to be insanely pissed. In any case, it IS a damn good match.:o

As to the pics, those are 2 of the best pics of D-Day & Hulk I've ever seen.

11-6 Doomsday

[Ace of Knaves]

Green Scar ay? Hulk then. It took Sentry nearly losing control just to stop him.

[WolfCypher]

If it's Green Scar, then definitely Hulk.

[Genesis 1.0]

11-8 Doomsday

[Wilderbeast]

an enraged Hulk

[Hound55]

To me Green Scar doesn't make any difference... A few more resurrections... evolve a cuple more times.

Only one of these two players has unlimited lives... and that same guy adapts to the situation everytime he kicks the bucket...

[WolfCypher]

Then Superman should never be able to beat him after the 1st time.

[Ace of Knaves]

That's cheating though! And if his unlimited resurrections factor into the fight, then what was the point of putting him in one of these fights?

[Hound55]

That's cheating though! And if his unlimited resurrections factor into the fight, then what was the point of putting him in one of these fights?
Because Gen hates Hulk..?

[Ace of Knaves]

Gen hate Hulk? Hulk smash puny Gen!!!

[Hound55]

http://www.willisms.com/archives/kanyewest.gif

"Gen doesn't care about green people..."

[Hound55]

I hate Hulk ... more than I hate ... your face.

I'm ... just common sense. Which you are clearly lacking.

He hates Hulk and your face and claims you make no sense...

Are you going to stand for this..?

[trustyside-kick]

There are only two reasons I ever sit out of a match: 1) I do not know enough about both characters or I only know much about one or 2) The match seems to be so ridiculous to vote seems pointless because either it could honestly go either way or there really is no way to choose.

Going with reason 2 this match. Honestly throwing the Hulk or Doomsday into a fight against anyone is silly...and against each other? Hence why I dislike those kind of characters. :/

[Genesis 1.0]

That's cheating though! And if his unlimited resurrections factor into the fight, then what was the point of putting him in one of these fights?

Who said ressurections counted? That deep fried dingleberry Hound?:o

If you get killed and are forced to ressurect yourself, then it's a victory for your opponent.

Otherwise Deadpool, Eternals, and the rest would never lose.

Trusty: Hey, life's about making the tough decisions.

Now take it like a man.....:o

11-9 Doomsday

[Anubis]

If it's the most current version then it's not Green Scar it's the regular Dumb one. Green Scar hasn't been around since WWH. Technically the most recent version is Banner with a force field, but I guess that doesn't count.

Also, resurrections after death don't count. You die, you lost. You get up and fight again, that's a new match. But that wont matter cuz Doomsday would beat the Hulk to death within the first couple of seconds cuz he's faster, and stronger right off the back.

[Genesis 1.0]

........................

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

But that's why we play the game.

11-9 Doomsday

[Chunin]

Hulk

[Genesis 1.0]

In a battle of ruthless behemoths, the Hulk takes on the Diabolical Doomsday in a planet buster of a match that goes from life to death and back again. In the end, Doomsday crawls away with a hair thin 11-10 victory.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/9638/starfire.jpg

Starfire

VS

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4088/suestorm.jpg

Sue Storm, The Invisible Woman

[Blacklight]

Sue EASY

[PaleRider]

Sue EASY

agreed

[SuperFerret]

Sue would demolish Starfire. This is gonna be a landslide.

[Anubis]

Sue

[Silicon Surfer]

Given Starfire's speed and savagery there is a good chance that she would beat Sue to the draw and take her out before Sue could do anything. Either one could win depending on circumstance. I'll take Starfire due to the fact that Sue might not connect fast enough with her force field. Also Starfire's bolts being concentrated sunlight might simply pass through Sue's field since it is invisible.

[SuperFerret]

Sue can contain heat with her forcefields, so even if the light portion of Starfire's bolts passes through, the temperature of it would be blocked.

[Ace of Knaves]

Susie. :thing:

[3dman27]

susie

[Hound55]

Sue.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Sue

[Genesis 1.0]

Sue def. Starfire 8-1


http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5677/aquamanwaterhand.png



Aquaman

VS

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4088/suestorm.jpg


Sue Storm, The Invisible Woman





Wow, I really thought more people would take Surfer's stance on that last one.

0-0

[Anubis]

Not much of a difference. Sue.

[[A]]

Hmm... Aquaman.

[SuperFerret]

Still Sue.

And Surfer's stance on Starfire is faulty because it'd be the heat, not the light that does the damage.

[Johnny Blaze]

I vote for the Invisible MILF, in both battles.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

This would be a much better fight but I'll still take Sue

[Silicon Surfer]

Still Sue.

And Surfer's stance on Starfire is faulty because it'd be the heat, not the light that does the damage.

Actually concentrated light, as in a laser has no heat, it generates heat only at point of impact.

[Piz]

I think Sue would still win

[CanaryFan]

Aquaman

[trustyside-kick]

I don't follow Sue so I'm not voting but out of curiosity what makes this an easy match in her favor? Only thing I can think of is her creating an invisible shield within him and expanding it...but since when does she kill people?

[Silicon Surfer]

After some deliberation I'll choose Sue for this fight. Despite being aware that they have upgraded Aquaman I still haven't found it in me to accept Aquaman as being a real threat to anyone more formidable than a street thug.

[Silicon Surfer]

I don't follow Sue so I'm not voting but out of curiosity what makes this an easy match in her favor? Only thing I can think of is her creating an invisible shield within him and expanding it...but since when does she kill people?

She can also create a shield around him and expand it to create a vacuum. She can use her shield as a battering ram, use it to push him around from one place to another or simply keep him out of the water until he dehydrates. Assuming this Aquaman doesn't have the water hand.

[Genesis 1.0]

I don't follow Sue so I'm not voting but out of curiosity what makes this an easy match in her favor? Only thing I can think of is her creating an invisible shield within him and expanding it...but since when does she kill people?

Arthur can breathe underwater but like aquatic creatures, it's because they can pull the oxygen out of it, so he bubble around his skull restricting his air supply would still KO him at minimum and kill him if she so chose.

My deal is, with his Water Hand, Orin's going to have Sue damn busy fending off all sorts of attacks and that's not even counting his freakish personal strength. I have no doubt Sue could raise a shield fast enough to defend, it's what she does, but it still takes concentration to enforce it.

Sue's a damn tough chick to beat, I was going to go Miss Martian but then it's landslide in the other direction.

I say his combo of strength and Hand endowed power stretches Sue too thin and he eventually drops her.

Aquaman

6-3 Sue Storm

[trustyside-kick]

After some deliberation I'll choose Sue for this fight. Despite being aware that they have upgraded Aquaman I still haven't found it in me to accept Aquaman as being a real threat to anyone more formidable than a street thug.

:dry:

This has nothing to do with me being an Aquaman fan, but, just...

:dry:

[Genesis 1.0]

After some deliberation I'll choose Sue for this fight. Despite being aware that they have upgraded Aquaman I still haven't found it in me to accept Aquaman as being a real threat to anyone more formidable than a street thug.

^^:hehe:

I know he's capable of real damage, but that's still damn funny. Aquaman has been soaked in lamesauce for so long, probably why Family Guy, Robot Chicken, Mad TV, and the rest of those shows drag his ass so much.:o

[trustyside-kick]

I can't speak for the rest but I hope you realize that Family Guy's creator actually likes Aquaman. He's just the kind of fan such as myself that can like something and take jokes of it being made fun of.

[Genesis 1.0]

I can't speak for the rest but I hope you realize that Family Guy's creator actually likes Aquaman. He's just the kind of fan such as myself that can like something and take jokes of it being made fun of.

Never said those shows didn't like him, I simply commented on him being dragged.

No rebuttal for the methods Sue might use for Aquaman posted by myself or Surfer? Perhaps Orin's defense?

Tip: It was before Aquaman's verbal rape.:o

[Silicon Surfer]

There was a time back in the Silver Age, late 60's or early 70's, when DC itself had not decided whether Aquaman had any super strength at all. Someone wrote a letter to the editor either in Aquaman's own title or JLA and specifically asked and the editor said that they didn't know whether he did or not. Eventually they settled on him having low level super strength, probably around Blue Gorilla Beast's class.

[trustyside-kick]

His super strength has fluctuated but he has had it since his Golden Age appearances. Quoting the 60s early Silver Age is silly because for DC they focused on gimmicks for each character and Aquaman's was his telepathy with underwater creatures. But even then he had super strength. Fact remains that the Silver Age is not the present Age and Modern Day Aquaman is a beast.

The reason I haven't discussed what you guys said Sue could do to him is because I don't know what A-list people Sue has kept back with her forcefields. What heavy hitters has she fought that she held her own with her forcefields? Because after seeing Surfer's reasoning given he doesn't seem to know squat about Aquaman I'm starting to think I was merely poorly informed about how "omnipotent" you guys made Sue look prior to Gen's post above and voting for Aquaman.

[Silicon Surfer]

Sue's force field has held off Galactus, the Overmind, Blastaar, the Hulk, just off the top of my head.

[trustyside-kick]

But as far as what she can throw at him...doesn't seem to be much. Like Gen said above it looks like it's going to be a game of how long she can keep her construct concentrated while he wacks away. On land Aquaman can lift about 65 tons, underwater 100+. Given she can keep her forcefield to withstand 100 tons and such even on land doesn't mean she will keep it up all that time. I mean, she has to focus. I dunno it just seems like Aquaman will keep attacking her and she will be so busy keeping her shield up she won't be able to fight back.

But of course I want more examples since I don't know Sue as well as some of you.

[Genesis 1.0]

Sue's force field has held off Galactus, the Overmind, Blastaar, the Hulk, just off the top of my head.

But to be fair, she's been taxed using it to defend against much lesser foes than Galactus or Hulk. Sue's ability fluctuates as do many characters but she's always been top shelf even at her lows.

[Genesis 1.0]

But as far as what she can throw at him...doesn't seem to be much. Like Gen said above it looks like it's going to be a game of how long she can keep her construct concentrated while he wacks away. On land Aquaman can lift about 65 tons, underwater 100+. Given she can keep her forcefield to withstand 100 tons and such even on land doesn't mean she will keep it up all that time. I mean, she has to focus. I dunno it just seems like Aquaman will keep attacking her and she will be so busy keeping her shield up she won't be able to fight back.

But of course I want more examples since I don't know Sue as well as some of you.


Heh, I never said THAT exactly. Sue can walk and chew gum, if you know what I mean. She's put up shields and whacked multiple people around at the same time, but the one constant sems to be that like anything mentally based, dividing her attention tends to lower the strength compared to if it was a singe priority.

Have no doubt that Orin's going to be trying to dodge heavy blows, and to make matters worse, invisible blows or heavy things thrown with force, while battering at her shield. The deal breaker is that Water Hand, it gives him range and variety, not as much as Sue's powers but enough in concert with his strength.

[Silicon Surfer]

Sue's field seems to depend on her psychological state. Even early on when her field was overall much weaker, she was still able to hold off Galactus on his first visit to earth. Nathaniel Richards said that her force field drew it's energy from hyperspace and was infinitely powerful (or something to that effect , I don't recall the exact wording). Rapidly expanding her field creates explosive decompression, just like what happens to deepsea creatures that come to the surface.

[trustyside-kick]

Well I guess my main question is in those examples of say the Hulk...she kept back his blows with her force field but other than pushing him back and such what did she do that caused actual damage?

Also. He may not realize it off the bat but I think once he'd see that her powers require concentration given it will be obvious as soon as she uses her powers...he could use his telepathy to mess with her. But I don't know her mental defenses 'cause she isn't a psychic.

[Genesis 1.0]

Well I guess my main question is in those examples of say the Hulk...she kept back his blows with her force field but other than pushing him back and such what did she do that caused actual damage?

Also. He may not realize it off the bat but I think once he'd see that her powers require concentration given it will be obvious as soon as she uses her powers...he could use his telepathy to mess with her. But I don't know her mental defenses 'cause she isn't a psychic.

Sue's shown herself capable of hurling invisible darts, spears, little invisible bullet type constructs with insane force. Normally, no big deal for Orin but the fact that he'll never see them coming is the problem. Much less 50 foot long battering ram.

[Majic Walrus]

After some deliberation I'll choose Sue for this fight. Despite being aware that they have upgraded Aquaman I still haven't found it in me to accept Aquaman as being a real threat to anyone more formidable than a street thug.

That's way dumber than anything I've ever said.

Still I think that Sue's forcefield's are capable of taking a lot of fight out of Aquaman. I vote for Sue.

[Genesis 1.0]

That's way dumber than anything I've ever said.

Still I think that Sue's forcefield's are capable of taking a lot of fight out of Aquaman. I vote for Sue.

Now hold on there, that's quite a statement.

At least what he said was funny.:o

7-3 Sue Storm

[Harlekin]

Is the Invisible Woman immune to psychic attack?

Didn't think so.

Aquaman.

[Silicon Surfer]

Is the Invisible Woman immune to psychic attack?

Didn't think so.

Aquaman.

They have been all over the place on whether her force field will stop psi attacks. Sometimes psi attacks work fully, sometimes they are blunted and sometimes they are blocked completely irregardless of power levels. Without her shield up she has a very strong mind but no specific psi shields or defense training.

[Genesis 1.0]

Damn, Harlekin.

7-4 Sue Storm

[Hound55]

I'll go with Sue still.

The water hand's still good but he has to know where she is to use that thing... ditto the strength.

The real issue to me is his psi as is now being addressed. But I think it'll be done before that anyway...

[SuperFerret]

Is the Invisible Woman immune to psychic attack?

Didn't think so.

Aquaman.

Aquaman's telepathy is limited where it pertains to humans, and combining that with Sue's forcefields sometimes blocking telepathy, sometimes not, I'd say that it's not much of an issue here.

[Ace of Knaves]

Couldn't Sue just create a bubble inside Aquamans skull, then expand it, exploding his head?

Or create a bubble around Aquamans skull then shrink it, imploding his head?

[3dman27]

susie strikes again

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Couldn't Sue just create a bubble inside Aquamans skull, then expand it, exploding his head?

Or create a bubble around Aquamans skull then shrink it, imploding his head?

Yes, Kind of out of character for her though. But she has crated bubbles around peoples heads until they blacked out from lack of oxygen plenty of times.