The Ultimate DC/Marvel Tournament

[Johnny Blaze]

Never bang a stripper named Cleo Claptra.

The best twenty dollars I've spent. :o :csad:

[Genesis 1.0]

In a battle that spans time and space, Adam Strange, Chronos, and Kang go all out in a quest of annihilation to be the greatest warrior of all Time. In the end, Adam Strange & Chronos join forces to face Kang but in the end, Kang Conquers Forever with a crushing 12 - 1 - 2 victory.

[Genesis 1.0]

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Gilgamesh, The Forgotten One

VS

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Power Girl

[Silicon Surfer]

Power Girl

[Genesis 1.0]

I'm going Gilgamesh.

He's physically one of the strongest characters in the MU hands down, he's the strongest Eternal second only to Thanos. He can strike with more power than Hercules and packs as much of a punch as Thor.

Durability? His Eternal physiology makes him as durable as he needs to be, it's literally up to him how tough he is and he's shown himself capable of taking some insane power blasts AND physical assaults as he showed when he ran roughshod over every Eternal that went up against him.

Versatility? He's got Thor strength, flight, speed, energy manipulation, and concussive force blasts. He's also one of the best fighters as far as skill in the MU.

Bottom Line: He can take anything Karen can dish out and he can deal her everything she puts into it and more. If you wanna talk edge, he's far more ruthless and relentless and he doesn't get tired and he's really hard to hurt and even if she does, he'll heal it swiftly.

1-1 TIE

[Silicon Surfer]

Even discounting the difference in strength which we could argue about forever without getting anywhere, PG has far greater speed which she could use to outpunch him hundreds or even possibly thousands to one.

[Genesis 1.0]

Again with this?

She NEVER does. Just like Superman, Thor, WW, MM, and any other powerhouse with those powers.

The only guy that uses his Speed consistently as he should is the f'n Flash.

Fact of the matter is Karen trades blows and plays a straight hand of Power which she has in Spades, never contested that fact. Gilgamesh is there as well.

1-1 TIE

[[A]]

Power Girl could beat any straight male (or lesbian) opponent, anytime.

[Chunin]

The Forgotten One

[louiebling$]

Gilgamesh

[Anubis]

Big Gil I guess. But he'll leave with some crushed nuts.

[3dman27]

P.g.

[PemLam]

Power Girl

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Gilgamesh

[Johnny Blaze]

Gilgamesh. And, I have to say, I like his new look. Definitely looks sharper than his old school outfit. Good to see that Marvel apparently brought him back into the light to shine. Always did like the character. :up:

[greenrage36]

I'm down with the G....

[Genesis 1.0]

Gilgamesh. And, I have to say, I like his new look. Definitely looks sharper than his old school outfit. Good to see that Marvel apparently brought him back into the light to shine. Always did like the character. :up:

Yeah, the all white 300 look with the Doc Ock haircut wasn't looking too swift.


Big Gil I guess. But he'll leave with some crushed nuts.

Heh, might take him an hour to regenerate those.:awesome:

7-4 Gilgamesh

[CanaryFan]

Powergirl

[Genesis 1.0]

The Relentless Power of the would be Prime Eternal meets Kyrptonian Might in a planet buster. Karen gives Gilgamesh all he can handle across continents and space but in the end, it's Power Girl that becomes a Forgotten One as she falls 7-5.

[Genesis 1.0]

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Deadpool

VS

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Creeper

[Genesis 1.0]

Welcome Ladies and Gentlemen, to the Bat Sh** Crazy Bowl!

They're both super strong, super fast, super durable, and as nutty as squirrel sh**.

0-0

[[A]]

Is that Blanka..?

Deadpool.

[Genesis 1.0]

Street Fighter refrence?

Creeper's stronger and more agile, Deadpool has a much better healing factor.

1-0 Deadpool

[PaleRider]

I would love to read this comic, I vote deadpool

[Anubis]

DP because I think it will ultimately come down to who will heal quicker. Would be a hell of a match to see though.

[Majic Walrus]

This fight is ****ing crazy.

I'm tempted to go with Creeper because I've seen him take an axe to the chest and not give a ****, but Deadpool has far more ability to take someone out.

I'll go with DP.

[SuperFerret]

This one's a tough one, it's like "how can I annoy Gen more? Pick the well-known character and vote against the obscure one, or pick the DC character and vote against the Marvel one?" :oldrazz:

I choose Creeper.

[Silicon Surfer]

I think that it will come down to the Creeper sitting with a stop watch seeing how long it takes Deadpool to pull himself together after different types of mayhem are inflicted on DP's body. Creeper ftw.

[3dman27]

the creeper he DOES resmble blanka a littlenow tht [A] mentions it

[Ace of Knaves]

Hmm Creeper isn't known to blow himself up to take his enemies out is he? He doesn't use machine guns, rocket launchers, sai's, grenades, shotguns, sheep guns, etc etc.

I think if these guys fought hand to hand or sword to sword, DP would be in trouble.

But he's the kind of guy to go "Ok we'll make this a fair fight, hand to hand kay?" Then pull out a shotgun and blow Creepers face off.

Plus DPs healing factor is better.

Deadpool in a bloody and morbidly hilarious battle royale.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Creeper

[PemLam]

Hmm Creeper isn't known to blow himself up to take his enemies out is he? He doesn't use machine guns, rocket launchers, sai's, grenades, shotguns, sheep guns, etc etc.

I think if these guys fought hand to hand or sword to sword, DP would be in trouble.

But he's the kind of guy to go "Ok we'll make this a fair fight, hand to hand kay?" Then pull out a shotgun and blow Creepers face off.

Plus DPs healing factor is better.

Deadpool in a bloody and morbidly hilarious battle royale.

Deadpool...for the reasons Ace said.

[greenrage36]

This would be a killer match!!! :awesome:

I'll go with Wade, although I could see The Creeper winning this too. I think either nutcase has a 50% of taking this one..

[louiebling$]

Deadpool :dpf:


God the Banter Wade would dish out during the fight would be priceless :awesome:

[Genesis 1.0]

The overrall consensus is that this is a kickass match, which is 100% win.

It'd be hard to find two crazier bastards so well matched in either universe, hell I like the possibilities in this match more than most of the ones I've seen proposed. I'd pay damn good money to see THIS crossover.

Like I said, Creeper is stronger than Deadpool and he's faster, that sonic scream is also a big problem for Wade. Speaking of which, Deadpool travels with a mobile armory and he uses dangerous shizz because he knows he can't die from anything he happens to ignite.

You really can't use much logic with 2 guys this insane.

7-4 Deadpool

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Yes this battle is win win!

[CanaryFan]

But he's the kind of guy to go "Ok we'll make this a fair fight, hand to hand kay?" Then pull out a shotgun and blow Creepers face off.
.

And Creepers the kind of guy that would get his head blown off then laugh out his ass and rip Wade in half!

Creeper

[Ace of Knaves]

The overrall consensus is that this is a kickass match, which is 100% win.

It'd be hard to find two crazier bastards so well matched in either universe, hell I like the possibilities in this match more than most of the ones I've seen proposed. I'd pay damn good money to see THIS crossover.

Like I said, Creeper is stronger than Deadpool and he's faster, that sonic scream is also a big problem for Wade. Speaking of which, Deadpool travels with a mobile armory and he uses dangerous shizz because he knows he can't die from anything he happens to ignite.

You really can't use much logic with 2 guys this insane.

7-4 Deadpool

I honestly don't think his sonic laugh would effect Wade. I mean, it isn't an actual "blast" like Songbird or someone is it? All it would do is burst Wade's ear drums and give him a head ache. And Deadpool has carried on fighting with a knife stuck in his skull before.

And Creepers the kind of guy that would get his head blown off then laugh out his ass and rip Wade in half!

Creeper

:funny: I just don't think he'd get close enough to Pool to do that. And if he did? Pool would just pull the pins on the dozen or so grenades that are strapped to him.

[Genesis 1.0]

Since when has Creeper EVER had his head blown and continued to fight?

Wait, when has Creeper ever had his head blown off? That's alot different than an axe in the chest.

As to the sonic scream, it's still a problem for Deadpool and reduces his offense's accuracy and range until he grows a new one and that won't take long, to which Creeper will burst it again. Problem is, if Creeper's hiding to avoid frag grenades or some such, using the scream would give him away every time he used it and Wade's going to unload into that spot.

If Creeper goes head to head with Deadpool, he wouldn't kill him but he might be able to do the damage necessary to qualify for a win. If Wade unloads enough explosives, bullets, or katana blades in Creeper he's done as well.

I can't decide at the moment.

7-5 Deadpool

[Ace of Knaves]

Oh yea it's definitely tight. But I just think the arsenal Wade usually has gives him the advantage.

[Genesis 1.0]

The man carries a small army's worth of artillery, it's amazing he can walk in all that shizz.

Creeper's so badass he doesn't even need any weapons.

Or so f'n crazy.

[Sparta*]

This could go either way but ill take the Creeper ;)

[Genesis 1.0]

Thought about it and I think that after a long, insane, banter-filed bout, Creeper limps away from this the victor.

Creeper

7-7 TIE

[Johnny Blaze]

Deadpool

[Genesis 1.0]

8-7 Deadpool

[[A]]

DP won?

[Ace of Knaves]

I think they'd both be pretty much dead after this.

[Genesis 1.0]

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we have live breaking news in downtown Gotham City! The criminally insane Arkham escapee known as the Creeper has been wreaking havoc in the downtown area apparently battling a red clad assailant our sources say is known as Deadpool!"

*An explosion blossoms in the background and a 6 story building collapses blowing rubble and dust into view, our dishelved reporter reappears.*

"The property damage is off the scale, civillian casulties are said to be in the hundreds and-"

*A sonic scream splits the air and our reporter collapses as the Creeper is launched into the air and lands within sight of the fallen camera and the sounds of screaming. An armless Deadpool staggers into view, grenade held in mouth, DP shakes his head and the pin is removed and tumbles onto a prone Creeper. Deadpool limps over to the fallen camera.*

Deadpool: "Thank you ladies and gents, I'll be here all week, it's been great! Tip you waitress!"

*An explosion rips the scene and we fade to black with a close 8-7 victory for Deadpool.*

[Hound55]

"Ladies and Gentlemen, we have live breaking news in downtown Gotham City! The criminally insane Arkham escapee known as the Creeper has been wreaking havoc in the downtown area apparently battling a red clad assailant our sources say is known as Deadpool!"

*An explosion blossoms in the background and a 6 story building collapses blowing rubble and dust into view, our dishelved reporter reappears.*

"The property damage is off the scale, civillian casulties are said to be in the hundreds and-"

*A sonic scream splits the air and our reporter collapses as the Creeper is launched into the air and lands within sight of the fallen camera and the sounds of screaming. An armless Deadpool staggers into view, grenade held in mouth, DP shakes his head and the pin is removed and tumbles onto a prone Creeper. Deadpool limps over to the fallen camera.*

Deadpool: "Thank you ladies and gents, I'll be here all week, it's been great! Tip you waitress!"

*An explosion rips the scene and we fade to black with a close 8-7 victory for Deadpool.*
Golden Moments!

[Genesis 1.0]

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Green Lantern: Hal Jordan

VS

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Quasar: Wendell Vaughn

[Silicon Surfer]

Hal

[Genesis 1.0]

Two of the best at what they do, the measuring stick of anyone attempting to take on their respective galactic mantle.

Wily veterans, there's going to be several hammers dropped in this one and each has an answer for what the other throws their way.

1-0 Hal Jordan

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Quasar

[[A]]

Green Lantern.

[Johnny Blaze]

Quasar

[Majic Walrus]

Hal wins.

[Genesis 1.0]

Good to have you back, Walrus. :o

How do you see this going down?

3-2 Hal Jordan

And don't start getting sensitive biznatch.

[CanaryFan]

Hal

[Anubis]

Quasar

[Majic Walrus]

Good to have you back, Walrus. :o

How do you see this going down?

3-2 Hal Jordan

And don't start getting sensitive biznatch.

:p

Good to be back.

First let me just say that this is not an easy win for Hal at all. Quasar has every bit as much power, if not more, than any GL. However that's not to say that Hal doesn't kick much ass himself.

The battle comes down to constructs. Hal is going to be able to defend or dodge a lot of Quasar's attacks (The bands project blasts of mostly heat which won't affect a GL construct). Quasar's only hope is with the ability to create constructs and GL shines worlds above in this area.

It's a long drawn out fight but eventually I figure Hal puts him in a giant green soda bottle and screws the lid down tight.

[Anubis]

You're forgetting the most important thing here, Hal sucks.

[3dman27]

g.l.

[Ace of Knaves]

Would be a great match to see. I'm going Quasar.

[Johnny Blaze]

You're forgetting the most important thing here, Hal sucks.

Yes, he does. And for only five bucks too. He's cheap like that. Needs to learn to use his tongue more though. You'd think somebody as experienced in that field as he is would know that by now. :o

[Majic Walrus]

You're forgetting the most important thing here, Hal sucks.

What are you like the Marvel version of me? Like Doc Spectrum or some ****?

Hal is awesome.

[Hound55]

See, this was a prick move Gen... You get majic Walrus looking all rational and such and then you throw out a Hal fight.

I'm here 5 minutes and have realised dude has a hard-on for GLs...

It's a prick move...







...worthy of myself. Well played, sir.

[Anubis]

What are you like the Marvel version of me? Like Doc Spectrum or some ****?

Hal is awesome.

When it comes down to it, Hal's just gonna try and punch him in the face, and he's just gonna get spanked. He's gonna get spanked and he's gonna have to run back home to daddy, but ohhh, daddies dead. :csad: Hal.

[Majic Walrus]

It's not my fault that in this fight Hal would win over Quasar.

[Anubis]

He'd beat him in a douche bag contest, sure. But a fight? No way my friend.

[Genesis 1.0]

Hound: I just had to see how the rehabilitation was going seeing as we'd laid off him about it.

He relapsed. :o

Hal's intelligent and a great tactican and he's in a battle with a guy that's his equal in those fields with a thin power advantage thanks to the Quantum Bands.

The deciding factor here is that Hal has shown time and time again that he's a Hammer, he goes for blunt force trauma alot of the time and in this battle, it's going to cost him the match. All he an Quasar have to do i reach a stalemate and his frustration is going to get the better of him when he attempts to put an end to it.

Quasar

6-5 Quasar

[Hound55]

I could see Quasar putting up a shield construct and letting GL try pushing him into the sun, before Quasar's slips it and hits Hal with a solar flare, flash-frying Hal extra crispy in a yellow flash...

[Anubis]

Maybe evil alternate universe Quasar would.

[Majic Walrus]

Solar flare would be all but worthless because Hal could easily generate a construct to protect against the heat and radiation of the sun.

[Anubis]

Pfft, he'd see an opening and immediatly go for the sucker punch, only to get a super duper all-over tan. :o

[Hound55]

Maybe evil alternate universe Quasar would.
Fair point, its not really in character... and pretty unnecessary since he could beat him cold (eventually) anyway, albeit in a long drawn out bout.

But it would be a safer win...

[Genesis 1.0]

Alrighty then, don't see many GL's sun bathing because they're so secure.

[Docker2.0]

Quasar

[Silicon Surfer]

Hal has a huge advantage in tactics. In addition to constructs, he can also use matter manipulation, illusions, manipulation of space and time. He could even make a duplicate of himself and let the duplicate fight Quasar while he goes off to have a latte. Or he could simply send a power beam into the Quantum Zone and have it ride the link to the bands right into Quasar and thus inside all of Quasar's defenses. All the Quantum Bands are is a variation of the rings that originally came from a Cracker Jack box.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but Hal has never done anything like that. He's never manipulated matter or created illusions or changed space and time even when fighting Parralax in Rebirth.

He just punches people.

[SuperFerret]

Hal's all will, no imagination. I still think he'd take Quasar.

[PemLam]

Hal

[Harlekin]

Quasar has the advantage. His constructs aren't linked to him, so there's no backlash when they get destroyed. They're independent in that sense. Furthermore, Quasar's the best energy absorber, bar maybe the Surfer, the in the cosmic game. He's got the skill, the power and the experience to take Hal down.

[Silicon Surfer]

Quasar has the advantage. His constructs aren't linked to him, so there's no backlash when they get destroyed. They're independent in that sense. Furthermore, Quasar's the best energy absorber, bar maybe the Surfer, the in the cosmic game. He's got the skill, the power and the experience to take Hal down.

The previous possessor of the bands, Marvel Boy/Man, got killed by that "nonexistent" backlash when he tried to draw too much power from the bands during a fight with the FF. Not only is there a backlash with the bands but it is more dangerous than the ring's backlash.

[Sparta*]

This could go either way but i'll take Hal 6/10 times

[[A]]

How's the score..?

[Anubis]

The previous possessor of the bands, Marvel Boy/Man, got killed by that "nonexistent" backlash when he tried to draw too much power from the bands during a fight with the FF. Not only is there a backlash with the bands but it is more dangerous than the ring's backlash.

First of all, what does that have to do with anything? secondly, that's Marvel Boy, we're talking about Wendell here. The guy that is the absolute most perfect guy to wield the bands due to his being a level headed non douche.

Which is in fact, the reason why they exploded and killed Marvel Boy because he was not.

[Teth-Adam]

hals experience wins it for me

GL for the win

[Genesis 1.0]

In a battle of truly epic proportions, the gold standards of 2 universes; Quasar & Green Lanten face off for interstellar supremacy. At the end of a deadly chess game, Hal Jordan finds himself in checkmate with a 9-8 victory for Quasar.

[Genesis 1.0]

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Batman

VS

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Daredevil

[[A]]

Batman.

Though Daredevil is a bit more depressing :oldrazz:

[[A]]

That's one ugly Batman image :down -- just saying :o

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Bats

[Genesis 1.0]

1.) _____ you.

2.) 2-0 Batman

[SuperFerret]

Daredevil.

[Johnny Blaze]

Batman

;17760376']That's one ugly Batman image :down -- just saying :o

It looks like he's trying desperately to keep from ****ting in his spandex. :awesome: :o

[Majic Walrus]

This one is especially easy for me.

Batman totally. 10/10 times.

[Silicon Surfer]

Batman

[Hound55]

Bats.

[Ace of Knaves]

Daredevil. And it would make me very happy to see it.

[[A]]

—Come on, you blindy!
—Shut up, orphan!

[[A]]

—Come on, you blindy!
—Shut up, orphan!

[louiebling$]

This one has me Torn :(

Is this Bruce Bats or Dick Bats?

[louiebling$]

This one has me Torn :(

Is this Bruce Bats or Dick Bats?

[Ace of Knaves]

Batman: How ironic, it seems that you, are blind as a bat! HAR HAR HAR!

Daredevil: At least I've got an excuse for wearing a ridiculous costume, what's yours?

Batman:...MY PARENTS ARE DEEEEAAAADDD!!!!!

[[A]]

Batman: How ironic, it seems that you, are blind as a bat! HAR HAR HAR!

:funny: haha

[PemLam]

Batman

[CanaryFan]

Daredevil

[Majic Walrus]

This one has me Torn :(

Is this Bruce Bats or Dick Bats?

Doesn't matter. Bruce could beat Matt without even trying to hard. Dick would have to think about it a little more but would also easily win.

Bruce and Dick are both experts in stealth and being quiet. Hell Bruce can even slow his own heartbeat to better hide from Daredevil.

[Anubis]

Lets get It straight, it would not be easy, but I think Batman might be able to pull out a win. 6 out of 10 times.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Doesn't matter. Bruce could beat Matt without even trying to hard. Dick would have to think about it a little more but would also easily win.

Bruce and Dick are both experts in stealth and being quiet. Hell Bruce can even slow his own heartbeat to better hide from Daredevil.

Umm, how does slowing a heartbeat make it any quieter? Oh that's right, it doesn't. And what seems like quiet to you and me sounds like it's coming from a megaphone to matt. Batman is an expert at using darkness and shadows for stealth but that won't help one bit against a blind man with sonar. I voted for Bats cause I think he's a slightly better fighter but I was thinking Bruce if this is Dick I'll change my vote.

[Anubis]

I don't know, we're talking about a guy who can sneak up on Superman here.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I don't know, we're talking about a guy who can sneak up on Superman here.

I think we all know there are certain incredibly stupid things that have been written in comics that should just be ignored like sneaking up on a guy with superhearing. Then again under certain circumstances if Supes wasn't trying to find Bats he may have just ignored light footsteps cause he was focused on something else. Or if he was supposed to be meeting Bats he wouldn't expect bats to be hiding so he might not have tried to find him. Supes has to tune out his super hearing most of the time or he would be hearing everything from miles around all the time.

[Ace of Knaves]

Batman is the Wolverine of DC, let us not forget.

[Anubis]

Everything on the planet, and within the galaxy actually, but yeah, I see your point. He wouldn't be able to do that if Supes was expecting him. And he wouldn't be able to do that if DD was expecting him. None of that really matters because like all things, this is more of an arena, meet and fight right there on the spot kinda match. No Prep time, no sneaking up on anybody, so it simply comes down to who is the better fighter, and I'd say Bat's but just barely.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but DD has enhanced speed and agility too though doesn't he? Plus I think DD is a bit more brutal than Batman when the **** gets down to the nitty gritty.

[Anubis]

No enhanced speed and agility. He's just a normal dude with super senses. And they're about the same when it comes to brutality. I once seen Batman do something quite horrible to a guy with a ball point pen. Depending on how crabby he is at the time, he's willing to go as far as you possibly can without killing a guy.

[[A]]

Batman is the Wolverine of DC, let us not forget.Batman is not an unsociable midget :cmad:

[Ace of Knaves]

Daredevil played Russian Roulette with Bullseye though! :D

But yea actually I change my vote to Bats. Batman would probably have a sonic device that would completely **** Matt up before a punch was thrown.

[Anubis]

I think it would take him a few minutes to deduce that DD has powers and what they actually are first. So, I guess that's DD's window of opportunity.

[Docker2.0]

Batman is the Wolverine of DC, let us not forget.

Which is exactly why I'm voting for DD. Batman doesn't have any "powers" but dude has beaten the Hulk which is nonsense. Bats is a great hand to hand combatant and a master detective, but DD can sense your moves before you even move. I just don't see Bats getting past that. Plus, Bats may work better in the dark but sonar and the skills of a ninja would go farther. DD gets my vote.

[Anubis]

Which is exactly why I'm voting for DD. Batman doesn't have any "powers" but dude has beaten the Hulk which is nonsense. Bats is a great hand to hand combatant and a master detective, but DD can sense your moves before you even move. I just don't see Bats getting past that. Plus, Bats may work better in the dark but sonar and the skills of a ninja would go farther. DD gets my vote.


No he can't.

[Sparta*]

Bruce

if this is Dick as Batman then I vote for DD

[Hound55]

Bruce

if this is Dick as Batman then I vote for DD
Sames.

Bruce would recognize DDs abilities and therefore his weaknesses fairly quickly, Dick... I have my doubts.

Then its sonar city FTW...

[Silicon Surfer]

DD has peak human reflexes and enhanced human agility. Dick probably has enhanced human reflexes and agility based on his fights with Slade. Though Bruce is larger and stronger, Dick is probably the more skilled fighter since Bruce started training him younger and more intensively than Bruce himself had an opportunity to, Both of them are better than DD

[Genesis 1.0]

Doesn't matter. Bruce could beat Matt without even trying to hard. Dick would have to think about it a little more but would also easily win.

Bruce and Dick are both experts in stealth and being quiet. Hell Bruce can even slow his own heartbeat to better hide from Daredevil.

I would dismantle this, but it's already been done. Sufice it to say that you're experiencing a terminal relapse.:o

In any case, I'll give it to Bruce because of his gadgets that can affect Matt. Before he starts using them? DD can ive Bats all he can handle.


In a batte of Defenders of the Night, Daredevil meets Batman in the midst of Gotham City's rooftops. In the end, orphaned trumps handicapped as the Dark Knight defeats Hell's Kitchen's Guardian 10-3.

[Genesis 1.0]

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Omega Red

VS

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Deathstroke The Terminator

[SuperFerret]

Deathstroke. Omega Red should never be encouraged.

[Johnny Blaze]

Deathstroke

[Anubis]

Deathstroke

[Majic Walrus]

Deathstroke!

[Silicon Surfer]

Deathstroke

[[A]]

Deathstroke.

[Genesis 1.0]

Never thought someone with Superhuman strength, speed, stamina, durability, agility, reflexes, unbreakable caronadium tentacles, the ability to absorb the life of others, a killer pheremone, and a damn good close range fighter would get smashed this badly by Slade.

Red's better from range thanks to his tentacles, he's more deadly closed in with armor that sheds conventional weapons like bullets and most blunt force which is Deathstroke's ace. He's also a tactical match for Deathstroke. Nevermind the fact that he's also got a respectable healing factor.

So unless Slade hs one of Mr. Freeze's gun shoved somewhere, he's going to star in his own tentacle rape video.

Omega Red

6-1 Deathstroke

[Silicon Surfer]

Deathstroke also has superhuman strength, speed durability and a healing factor. His brain also functions faster and better than human as well.

[Genesis 1.0]

And yet Drake has given him fits before and even outsmrted him, so it's a valued ability and not an invincible one.

I daresay Red's stronger with his tentacles and he's more durable with his armor. As to the rest, they're about even which begs the question why it seems to be a slam dunk for Deathstroke in anyone's mind.

Aside from bias.

[SuperFerret]

Bias is in the eye of the beholder, and we all have them. Like how you seem to prefer lesser known/used characters, and I see Omega Red not being used much as the best thing done with the character. Potato, potato.

[Anubis]

His main weakness is his s**ty 80's hair. I mean Jesus, even Shatterstar got a f**king haircut.

[Silicon Surfer]

Deathstroke's mind seems to be superhumanly fast and accurate not superhumanly intelligent in the classic sense. I don't know how strong and fast Red is but Slade is probably roughly Spidey level with high level martial arts and the skill to anticipate his opponents. Whether he can anticipate an opponent he hasn't studied, who knows.

[Docker2.0]

Never thought someone with Superhuman strength, speed, stamina, durability, agility, reflexes, unbreakable caronadium tentacles, the ability to absorb the life of others, a killer pheremone, and a damn good close range fighter would get smashed this badly by Slade.

Red's better from range thanks to his tentacles, he's more deadly closed in with armor that sheds conventional weapons like bullets and most blunt force which is Deathstroke's ace. He's also a tactical match for Deathstroke. Nevermind the fact that he's also got a respectable healing factor.

So unless Slade hs one of Mr. Freeze's gun shoved somewhere, he's going to star in his own tentacle rape video.

Omega Red

6-1 Deathstroke OMG!! I can't believe how badly Red is losing this! Red would own Deathstroke! I love Deathstroke and all but no way is he walking away from this.......most of the time. I say OR wins 7.5/10.

[louiebling$]

Omega Red

[Hound55]

Deathstroke is better but this match-up isn't good for him.

Omega Red.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Omega Red

[Genesis 1.0]

Bias is in the eye of the beholder, and we all have them. Like how you seem to prefer lesser known/used characters, and I see Omega Red not being used much as the best thing done with the character. Potato, potato.

Simply because I don't tend to back up mainstream names all the time in favor of less popular characters simply means that I'm looking at the capablities of a character instead of the name. I still enjoy my Wolverine, Spider-Man, Hal Jordan, Superman, ect. class characters.

Fact of the matter is I'm looking at what Omega Red can do compared to Slade and I see the edge going to Omega Red in several areas, athough not by much.

Docker: My thoughts exactly.

6-5 Omega Red

[Ace of Knaves]

Hmmm good match. Surprising so many people think Slade would walk this...

I'm going for Red.

[[A]]

Damn -- Deathstroke had it easy :argh: Can't believe how many fans Omega Noodles have!

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah Ace, I just don't see it either. There's no walk in the park for either of them but no way is Slade going to walk out of this one. Omega has the deuce in Range and inside close quarters. which is rare. Red's also petty damn intelligent, ruthless, and a great hand to hand fighter.

So i looks to me that Deathstroke has run into a tougher version of himself with a Death Spore and carbonadium tentacles.

6-6 TIE

[Hound55]

;17765470']Damn -- Deathstroke had it easy :argh: Can't believe how many fans Omega Noodles have!
Not nec. fans... people who can recognise a mis-match when they see one.

I know if it were "favourite characters" my vote would be going the other way...

[Genesis 1.0]

*Shhhhh*

Walus doesn't know the diffrence.

[Teth-Adam]

If slade had some prep time, or even just some prior knowledge of his opponent,he would own it, just look at what he did to the justice league in identity crisis.
However, im going to have to give it to omega red,

even though dethstroke is a far better character

[Silicon Surfer]

Actually Red doesn't have the edge in range, Slade does since Slade is usually carrying a gun and his energy staff. He can simply cap Red between the eyes at super speed with either one any time he feels like it. Red's face is exposed. Even a normal person with a gun should be able to kill Red with ease. Slade also wears armor, Promethium I think although I can't swear to it.

[Teth-Adam]

good point surfer, slade might just have a chance, and a chance is all he needs to turn it into a win
i think slade might actually just edge this
i change my vote to Deathstroke

[Genesis 1.0]

Damn Surfer, it's hard for me to say this because I respect ya but it would take a truly ignorant sum***** to let that little gem fall off their tongue. :o

Omega Red has wrecked his own Russian millitary armed to the teeth with all types of millitary grade guns and weaponry. His enhanced speed and agility nullified edge they had in ridiculous odds, and he used carbonadium tentacles to block the rest with relative ease on his way to crushing a battle group and then feeding on them.

As to Red's skin, it's naturally more Durable than any human beings and this Durability is further augmented by his armor. Deahstroke's bullets and energy staff will do him no good against nearly impervious carbonadium tentacles & armor that sheds much heavier hitters than what amounts to a shiny cane.

I can swear to that.

[Chunin]

Big Red

[Silicon Surfer]

Not to knock the military but as I understand it relatively few bullets fired ever hit even ordinary human targets much less superhuman ones. Even so they should be able to kill him anyway. Even granting that he is fast enough and tough enough to defeat conventional military there is still a huge difference between that and having a super fast, super coordinated, essentially unkillable murder machine like Slade walk up to within a few yards to shoot at you.

[Genesis 1.0]

It's no knock on Stroke, but 'll take any bet that says 30 or so highly trained Russian millitary black ops have a higher chance of nailing Red than a single Deathstroke. Not a slam dunk margin but still a safe bet based on the many different angles and vectors of that many bullets fired simultaneously.

Fact of the matter is that Omega Red has shown time and again that along with all his other areas of edge, he's got the superhuman reflexes to back it. He whips those tentacles around with inhuman speed and accuracy and blocks bullets and any other form of projectile launched at him. He makes Doc Ock seem simple minded.

As to the potency of Deathstroke's Staff, Omega Red has taken a shot from a rumored Omega Class Mutant in Chamber and walked away from it. A full fledged concussive blast at full power from a psionic and he's still standing.

You actually think Deathstroke is going to fare any better?

[Ace of Knaves]

Slade isn't really unkillable either. Sure he's got a healing factor, but when he gets wounded, he's wounded. He's not like Deadpool where he can carry on fighting with a knife stuck in his skull or a sucking chest wound.

[Silicon Surfer]

He knows that he isn't going to die from the wounds though. He can be taken down, yes, but he knows that ultimately he will survive. And since he doesn't care anyway, there is no fear and no particular avoidance of injury the way most people would. As for the speed of Red's tentacles, yes they undoubtedly do move quite fast but not by the standards of someone who can casually kneecap Impulse or take down and even shish-kabob Wally with monotonous regularity. For Slade these things aren't even feats they are routine. Red might as well be doing tai-chi with his tentacles.

[CanaryFan]

Red I guess

[Majic Walrus]

It's no knock on Stroke, but 'll take any bet that says 30 or so highly trained Russian millitary black ops have a higher chance of nailing Red than a single Deathstroke. Not a slam dunk margin but still a safe bet based on the many different angles and vectors of that many bullets fired simultaneously.

Fact of the matter is that Omega Red has shown time and again that along with all his other areas of edge, he's got the superhuman reflexes to back it. He whips those tentacles around with inhuman speed and accuracy and blocks bullets and any other form of projectile launched at him. He makes Doc Ock seem simple minded.

As to the potency of Deathstroke's Staff, Omega Red has taken a shot from a rumored Omega Class Mutant in Chamber and walked away from it. A full fledged concussive blast at full power from a psionic and he's still standing.

You actually think Deathstroke is going to fare any better?

I'd bet you'd be wrong. He's taken out The Flash before. The guy's accuracy is on a level like Bullseye or Green Arrow. He doesn't miss that often.

Deathstroke's mind seems to be superhumanly fast and accurate not superhumanly intelligent in the classic sense. I don't know how strong and fast Red is but Slade is probably roughly Spidey level with high level martial arts and the skill to anticipate his opponents. Whether he can anticipate an opponent he hasn't studied, who knows.

And he has the ability to learn while fighting someone and begin to anticipate their style and abilities. Meaning that he will be able to determine Red's strengths and weaknesses during the fight.

*Shhhhh*

Walus doesn't know the diffrence.

:p

[PemLam]

Slade

[Genesis 1.0]

I'd bet you'd be wrong. He's taken out The Flash before. The guy's accuracy is on a level like Bullseye or Green Arrow. He doesn't miss that often.

That changes nothing, I'll stick take the hundreds of bullets fired from that many weapons by elite marksman at a single target in comparison with a few well placed one. No matter how accurate you are the math remains the same.

And he has the ability to learn while fighting someone and begin to anticipate their style and abilities. Meaning that he will be able to determine Red's strengths and weaknesses during the fight.

Heh, that's the fanboy talking again (if it ever actually stops, I personlly think it simply has to pause for breath and in between we see a logical Walrus emerge only to be swallowed again).

For the main point, Deathstroke, like Batman, needs Prep-Time to study and review an opponents strengths and weaknesses to a degree that it provides a real edge. Contrary to doctrine, Deathstroke does not gain victory automatically simply from fighting someone especially in a circumstance like this where he's going to be driving nearly all his energy into staying alive.

For another, Omega Red is a master fighter, with several different styles under his belt and he's also a master strategist and technician, in addition to his great intelligence. He'll be throwing so many different styles of attack at Slade, further amplified by his carbonadium tentacles, that it's useless to try and gain an edge when you can never know what's coming at you and from what style. Slade's smart enough to know that he needs to end the fight and analysis goes on the back burner.

I've still yet to hear how Deathstroke is going to win when a blast from Chamber didn't drop Red, what in Deathstroke's arsenal is going to get it done?

How about Omega Red's Death Spores? At bet, Slade's going to have a slice of his healing factor dedicated to fighting off the Spores in order to stay alive. Which means any injury he sustains is going to hurt him far more than usual.

Omega Red is Deathstroke's Anti-Life Equation.

8-8 TIE

[trustyside-kick]

Well...there is an issue. Here one dude has Carbonadium armor and weapons and another as Promethium armor and weapons...how do we guage each one? Both are near-indestructible.

[Genesis 1.0]

Fair point.

Even loced in a stalemate, a war of atrition, those Death Spores will wear down Deathstroke. The longer this goes on, the more it tilts to the other side.

[Teth-Adam]

Slade uses 90% of his brain capacity, compared to the ordinary persons 10%, he can easily analyse and counter reds attacks, while working out a why to put red out his misery. Red has ben fighting military types, and special covert black ops types for years, he knows how they work, and how to fight them, he's never faced deathstroke before.

[Genesis 1.0]

See, now THIS is what I'm talking about. Just fanboy idiocy.

Hey Einstein, Deathstroke's never faced Omega Red either.

Reed Richards is orders of magnitude smarter than Deathstroke and he ges dropped by people that are simply better than him in power. Intelligence means nothing if you can't put it to use in order to win.

Even the people that voted for Deathstroke acknowledge that Deathstroke won't win easily, and he'd have a hell of a time trying to analyze Red. So wtf are you talking about?

They really should start giving IQ tests along with the rest of the membership requirments, we could avoid the Adams, Hulksters, and DACMANs.

[PemLam]

Wow Gen, did you have some bad turkey yesterday or something? You've been kind of "short fused" of late.

[trustyside-kick]

Fair point.

Even loced in a stalemate, a war of atrition, those Death Spores will wear down Deathstroke. The longer this goes on, the more it tilts to the other side.

Well Slade's healing factor also gives him--to a degree--immunity to poisons and such.

[Genesis 1.0]

Wow Gen, did you have some bad turkey yesterday or something? You've been kind of "short fused" of late.

Meh, not really, nevermind the fact I don't eat turkey.:o

Teth, like the now banned Hulkster, posts just some of the dumbest shizz you'll ever see. I disagree with peope, debate, and it's all good at the end of the day, it's never serious. Just ask Walrus.:awesome:

Hulk fanboys, Deathstroke Blanks, Batman fanatics, they all irritate me.

Trusty: Death Spores don't fall under that category and I'm not just saying that for effect. Take Wolverine, he's got a greater healing factor and immunity than Deathstroke but his body was still forced to combat the Spores. He was still able to fight but it took it's toll.

I think it'd be the same with Slade.

[louiebling$]

Well Slade's healing factor also gives him--to a degree--immunity to poisons and such.
Yes and with his healing factor fighting off his spores it won't be able to heal his other wounds... thus after a long period of time waerinf down slade which leads to his defeat.

[trustyside-kick]

Well I actually already decided who I'd vote for when I first read up the match this morning, just wanted to point those few things out to see how it would affect it. I definitely think that Slade could dish out some damage with his weapons that are made of depleted promethium at least, but Omega Red physically is stronger than Slade and I think that's the deciding factor (which normally I'd not go with in most matches purely on that...but here you've got a dude that can lift like 10 tons versus a dude who can just lift like a ton perhaps). Plus like you guys said, yea, I could see the spores eventually slowing him down just too much which is when he'd be taken out.

Omega Red.

[Sparta*]

I think the environment they are fighting in would make a huge difference because Omega Red isn't usually defeated by physical force, but by being frozen or something usually, and Slade is definatley smart enough to use his surroundings to his advantage more then Red, BUT there is no specific location specified here so I assume its just an all out brawl, and since that is the case I have to grudgingly side with Omega Red...by a sliver.

[SuperFerret]

Slade uses 90% of his brain capacity, compared to the ordinary persons 10%, he can easily analyse and counter reds attacks, while working out a why to put red out his misery. Red has ben fighting military types, and special covert black ops types for years, he knows how they work, and how to fight them, he's never faced deathstroke before.

I'll ask again, they're still going on about that with Slade? Having him only use 90% of his brain capacity would make him mentally retarded by 10%. Newsflash, animals use 100% of their brains, regardless of species.

[Silicon Surfer]

Certain aspects of Slade's intelligence are superhuman. Strategy, tactics and battle psychology are his strong points and in those he no doubt considerably exceeds Reed or Doom, he simply doesn't have their scientific skills or creativity. The Deathspore problem might well be solvable by merely moving back out of range briefly and then returning after his healing factor takes care of the damage. Simply staying upwind as much as possible might also do the trick. Since Slade wears a full face mask there is at least a small possibility that the spores would not even reach him through his costume and would thus have no effect at all.

[louiebling$]

I'll ask again, they're still going on about that with Slade? Having him only use 90% of his brain capacity would make him mentally retarded by 10%. Newsflash, animals use 100% of their brains, regardless of species.


:lmao:
This post made me LOL so hard

[louiebling$]

Certain aspects of Slade's intelligence are superhuman. Strategy, tactics and battle psychology are his strong points and in those he no doubt considerably exceeds Reed or Doom, he simply doesn't have their scientific skills or creativity. The Deathspore problem might well be solvable by merely moving back out of range briefly and then returning after his healing factor takes care of the damage. Simply staying upwind as much as possible might also do the trick. Since Slade wears a full face mask there is at least a small possibility that the spores would not even reach him through his costume and would thus have no effect at all.
Red wouldn't let him stay far.... Reds a close range fighterand would Lure him close.

Also the mask thing... this is gonna be a brutal match. It will be bloody and Armor will break,masks will fall,weapons will be destroyed.The spores will eventually make there way to slade.

[[A]]

So Omega Noodles won..?! :csad:

[Teth-Adam]

I never said deathstroke had ever faced red before, but deathstroke is capable of analysing his oppents while fighting them, and his mind isn't his only one of his assets, like his increadable speed, reflexes, strength, fighting skills, marksmanship, experience, and weaponry.

[Teth-Adam]

I know the brain capacity thing doesn't make sense, but its the only explaintion thats really been given.

[Genesis 1.0]

I never said deathstroke had ever faced red before, but deathstroke is capable of analysing his oppents while fighting them, and his mind isn't his only one of his assets, like his increadable speed, reflexes, strength, fighting skills, marksmanship, experience, and weaponry.

Any good fighter analyzes his opponent, the level of analysis is what sets certain fighters apart.

As to the rest, Omega Red has that in spades as well. Get over it.



In a truly sick match that pits two of the most ruthless and calculating characters in their respective universes, Omega Red attempts to shutdown the Badass of Badasses in Deathstroke. In the words of Sweet Lou:

"This is gonna be a brutal match. It will be bloody and Armor will break, masks will fall, weapons will be destroyed."

In the end, a broken and battered Omega Red manages to overcome the Terminator 10-8.

[Genesis 1.0]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3237/cyclopsg.jpg

Cyclops

VS

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6991/hawkman.jpg

Hawkman

Location: Construction Site

[Genesis 1.0]

I was going to go Archangel / Hawkman, but that leaned too close to Warren.

Both of these guys possess one major mode of attack that could put them at a disadvantage to the other, a definite balancing act. If Hawkman goes in to attack, he risks getting blasted. If Cyclops misses, he's got all hell to deal with and to avoid being struck.

Let's Dance.

0-0

[[A]]

Hawkman.

[trustyside-kick]

Does Hawkman only have his mace? Not asking if he has something as overpowering as the Claw of Horus but just curious.

[[A]]

Hey, he's got his mask. He can peck very hard!

[GlasgowBat]

Hnn. Probably hawkman. I'm onfident that a vet as seasoned as cartor would swing this one. not saying that summers isn't a pro, but at the end of the day, hall's been at it far, far longer. He's mixed it with the biggest of the bad, and walked away as the victor.

his flight, manouverability and speed should aid him in avoiding the optics long enough to take cyclops out.

Hawkman

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Hawkman. He's used to having to dodge energy blast and nth metal wings can shield him if he realises he's not going to get out of the way in time. There's nothing Scott can do to soften the blow of an nth metal mace or the strength Hawkman wields it with.

[trustyside-kick]

His wings are laced with Nth metal but they aren't entirely made of it. So not sure if he could shield himself with them. Although having the Nth metal on automatically enhances his durability to the point to where he can take blows from Black Adam before being knocked out. His harness/belt and boots also are the only things that have Nth Metal on them. His weapons are regular weapons he used from past lives. The only fancy weapon he has other than any regular weapon was the Claw of Horus.

[Genesis 1.0]

To keep things even, it's just his Mace. Flight & Strength barely keep things in balance without his other tech.

Scott has managed to nail guys much older and experienced than himself like Sinister and Apocalypse. In addition, when he really rips it, there's very little that can stand up to him.

No doubt that if Hawkman manages to get in close, Scott's going to have to dodge his ass off to survive but we're talking about a construction site. Cyke should be able to dive for some cover behind girders, he's a battlefield genuis and too much overhead should limit Carter's flight.

If it weren't for the location, Scott would be having a bad day.

3-0 Hawkman

[[A]]

Nice. But Cyclops fans will show up soon :csad: This is like what happened with Deathstroke :down

[Silicon Surfer]

Cyclops fairly easily. Since he almost automatically hits whatever he sees Hawkman has no real ability to dodge. Scott has hit Quicksilver and reflexively tagged Northstar. The only person I can think of offhand who has ever dodged Cyke is Spidey who is precognitive as well as super fast. Even if Hawkman can withstand the first blast or two the force will throw him far enough for Cyke to compensate. There is a very good reason that ranged weapons, even primitive ones, replaced swords and maces on the battlefield.

[Genesis 1.0]

;17768896']Nice. But Cyclops fans will show up soon :csad: This is like what happened with Deathstroke :down

You're underestimating the voters. Super Ferret, Trusty, Surfer, Johnny, Ace, and even that ass Anubis don't vote based on who they're fans of, even when I disagree, they go based on logic (except for Gambit, Sentry, Wolverine, and Mar-vell matches which hatred plays a part).:o

Now if you want fan based, primarily DC based, try Walrus, Pem, or Teth. Although depending on which Walrus, you could put him with the others.:awesome:

As to what happened with the Omega Red / Deathstroke match, nearly everyone said they were fans of Deathstroke even when they voted for Omega, ESPECIALLY Sparta, so there goes that idea.


Surfer: I agree for the most part, but I don't think it'd be easy at ALL, not even close. This is another tactical chess match between 2 battle hardened opponents.

Hell, I'll actually agree with your end result for once though due to the local.

Cyclops




3-2 Hawkman

[[A]]

You're underestimating the voters. Super Ferret, Trusty, Surfer, Johnny, Ace, and even that ass Anubis don't vote based on who they're fans of, even when I disagree, they go based on logic (except for Gambit, Sentry, Wolverine, and Mar-vell matches which hatred plays a part)Not what I meant :cwink: but the first votes in the Deathstroke/Noodles match were all for Deathstroke -- which I liked -- but I cheered up too son, since all of sudden Noodles fans started showing up and he won. That's all :up: that's why I'm not so happy right now -- hopefully, Hawkman wil prevail :woot:

[SuperFerret]

So... I'm gonna vote Cyclops. He's just better from a tactical standpoint, and his power and experience combo trump just about anything that Hawkman can muster as a defense.

[[A]]

These too, with Batman, were my favourite characters as a kid. Very interesting, I know, I know..

[Docker2.0]

Cyclops. I just don't see Hawkman dodging his optic blast to often.

[PaleRider]

this is a tough one, I'm going to have to think about this.

[Genesis 1.0]

[A]: Don't worry, I wasn't dropping the hammer on you. Trust me you'd know.

Hawkman is faster, more durable, and stronger physically, which gives him a seemingly nasty edge. Scott's optic blasts have a ridiculous amount of power but Scott personally is more like near-peak human. He is great tactically and he has that whole spatial physics deal that ties into his blasts, but it all hinges on him being able to nail Hawkman before he can close with him.

That or nailing something in the construction area that would hinder him, and then capitalizing. The longer this goes, the more pissed Carter is going to get and he's got one hell of a temper.

4-3 Cyclops

[SuperFerret]

If it's a construction site, Scott would have more of an advantage, probably staying in a cluttered area that'd hinder Hawkman's flight, while allowing him to move around more easily (Cyclops is no Beast or Nightwing, but he's no slouch in the acrobatics department).

[Hound55]

Cyclops.

I don't care how well Hawkman can dodge, he's still limited by physics as to his movement in flight and Hawkman has to be able to dodge quicker than the speed it takes for the beam to travel from where Cyke's looking to get to him... and he has to be able to do it constantly... whilst trying to cut down the distance between himself and Scott.

Hawkman's best bet is dodging in a fashion that Scott would accidentally bring some massive structure from the construction site down upon himself... but you would think the field leader of the X-Men (in everywhere but Fox-land) would be too tactically aware for that.

[Anubis]

I'll go with Cyke on this one. While Hawkman is a total badass, with just as much if not more tactical experience than Cyke, all Cyke really has to do is open up and he would obliterate Carter. Maybe he wont kill him, but he'd be down long enough for it to be considered a knock out.

Also, don't underestimate Cyke's aim. He's supposedly got that whole spacial awareness thing. That guy could blast the wings off a fly at 40 yards. I'm sure he would have a better chance at nailing a 6'2" flying dude with a big ass mace.

[[A]]

50% off topic but I just saw an image from the Smallville Hawkman..

[Hound55]

Change my last post a tad... Hawkman has to be able to dodge faster than Cyke's reaction time + the time it takes him to turn to view Hawkman + the time it takes for the beam to travel that far.

Although the difference between that and what I said is fractions of a second anyway...

[Silicon Surfer]

Since the beams travel at the speed of light Hawkman won't even see the beams till a fraction of a second after they hit him. The beams will travel at the same speed as the light that Hawkman would use to see them.

[SuperFerret]

The more Carter dodges, the wider Scott will make his beams, giving Hawkman less of a margin for error each time.

[louiebling$]

Yea I'm going with Cyclops on this one. Anubis pretty much nailed it.

[Hound55]

Really? The speed of light? That's how fast his beams travel?

Just seems kind of inconsistant to what I see in the comics...

That suggest that every time he ever misses someone because they dodged it it has more to do with his target anticipating than anything else.

And I think I've seen Beast dodging them before as well.

Not that I think Hawkman is as agile as Beast... but I just have trouble with the "light speed optic-blasts" thing.

[Hound55]

... that or Cyke's cross-eyed.

[SuperFerret]

I think the speed of his optic blasts are closer to the speed of sound, probably lower.

[Anubis]

Yeah, while it may in fact be true cuz it is light, it means nothing when you're talking about comic book characters. He's more likely to hit Hawkman by deflecting it off something and nailing him when he's not looking.

[[A]]

So there's no chance in the world Hawkman could get behind Cyclops..?

[Anubis]

;17769873']So there's no chance in the world Hawkman could get behind Cyclops..?


Even if he did get behind Cyke, it wouldn't matter.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/Marvel%20II/645825-the_uncanny_x_men_124___10_s.jpg

[trustyside-kick]

But Carter has dealt with speedsters and has been able to dodge and counter. So I don't think him dodging some of the optic blasts will be an issue unless when he dodges part of the construction site gets in his way.

[[A]]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/Marvel%20II/645825-the_uncanny_x_men_124___10_s.jpg

Damn. That's a lot of ZORP and ZARP to deal with.

[Anubis]

Thank God there's no WABOOOOOM or THRACKADOOOOM to deal with.

[[A]]

..or WANK

[Anubis]

Oh, theres always WANK. It tends to sneak up on you and leave an awful mess on shoe. :o

[[A]]

:hehe:

[Silicon Surfer]

Cyke's beams are energy and energy can't travel at any other speed than the speed of light. This is true even in comic physics. It is in the case of matter traveling faster than light that they ignore Einstein.

[Anubis]

Exactly, which makes the whole speed of light thing worthless. He's missed before with his light speed blasts of red shoving......best not to even bring such things up, as it serves no purpose in the land of crime fighting dudes in tights.

[Teth-Adam]

interesting matchup, might have to go with summers on this one, as he will know how to fight someone like carter, have trained with, and occasionally fought with warren for many years.
Not to understimate hawkman, who is a seasoned pro, with several lifeimes of experience, and is increadibly dangerous.
Im really not sure, but its definitly going to be a tough fight.

[CanaryFan]

Hawkman

[PaleRider]

I think I have to go with Hawkman

[Genesis 1.0]

Yea I'm going with Cyclops on this one. Anubis pretty much nailed it.

Say huh? Anubis said basicaly the same thing I said about te physics except he threw in a shiny picture to demonstrate the spacial physics.

Bastard.:o

Damn, coming into this I saw the edge clearly going to Hawkman because of his Strength, Speed, Agility, & Durability but I tossed it up anyway because I saw Cyke making it a good match.

Surfer, if all energy can only travel at the speed of lght, then how does Hawkman always seem to dodge and avoid all those energy beam guns fired at him in the past? And there's been ALOT of those, seems every two-bit thug in the DCU picks one up at Lex-R-Us.

Then there's the fact that Cyclops has missed before and often considering his long history.


8-6 Cyclops

[Silicon Surfer]

Since he can't avoid them, he didn't. They hit him and killed him. It is only his ghost flying around, unaware that he is dead.

[Genesis 1.0]

...............

I don't f'n believe it. Surfer has a sense of humor.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9269/mastersplinter.jpg

"I made a Funny, Hahahahahaha!"

[Anubis]

Ha!

[trustyside-kick]

I think I'm going to go with Hawkman. I think even if he suffered a few shots from Cyke being able to nail him he would recover with the Nth metal's healing properties. I mean...he had his own shield LODGED into his shoulder with blood spewing and everything and the dude just simply ripped it out, and kept fighting. Top it off with the already amazing durability that the Nth metal gives him and I think it makes for an interesting match with Carter on top. Though the thought of this fight is really cool.

[SuperFerret]

Cyclops would probably subconsciously be a little harsher against Hawkman because I'd imagine Carter's fighting style would remind Scott of an airborne Wolverine.

[Johnny Blaze]

Cyclops

[Sparta*]

Another great match! I'll take Hawkman

[[A]]

Go Hawk Go

[Genesis 1.0]

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I don't f'n believe it. Surfer has a sense of humor.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9269/mastersplinter.jpg


"I made a Funny, Hahahahahaha!"


Regardless of the voes I ca't rally disagree with anyone's logic. I can see this one going either way. We ae deaing with 2 of the most focused pseudo-douchebag charcters of all time.

9-8 Cyclops

[[A]]

Oh :csad:

[Silicon Surfer]

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I don't f'n believe it. Surfer has a sense of humor.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9269/mastersplinter.jpg

"I made a Funny, Hahahahahaha!"


I just expended my carefully hoarded years supply of humor.

[Genesis 1.0]

Well I'm honored.

Why do I get the feeling that I'll be getting a Wolverine / Hawkman match in the future?

[Majic Walrus]

I want to say that Hawkman is the better tactician, stronger, faster, and a better fighter. Not to mention a better character anyway.

However if Cyke goes all out the guy can **** buildings up by blinking. I think he'll probably be able to **** Hawkman up no matter how fast or smart he is.

[Docker2.0]

I think Cyke is a better tactician than Hawkman by far. :o

[Silicon Surfer]

Hawkman is a tactician? Wow they have changed the character a lot.

[SuperFerret]

I want to say that Hawkman is the better tactician, stronger, faster, and a better fighter. Not to mention a better character anyway.

However if Cyke goes all out the guy can **** buildings up by blinking. I think he'll probably be able to **** Hawkman up no matter how fast or smart he is.

That's like Peter Griffin not telling the truth, a ball-faced lie! :cmad: (Yes, I am aware that it's bald-faced lie, but mine is funnier.)

[Docker2.0]

Hawkman is a tactician? Wow they have changed the character a lot.

I didn't think he was either but maybe she was just, I don't know.............................I really don't know why she thinks that.

[Genesis 1.0]

Nah, I'd definitely take Summers over Hall as far as character. Hawkman's good but just not nearly as interesting or dynamic for my tastes.

[GlasgowBat]

interesting? dynamic? cyclops?

neither are the greatest of characters, but with scott......he just annoys me. it's irrational, but still. i find him annoying

[[A]]

The match is still open..?

[SuperFerret]

Scott is stiff because he has to be. He's the heir to Xavier's dream and he knows it, so he puts on a no-nonsense outward facade to make himself the consummate leader. On the inside, he's a very interesting and dynamic character with a lot of issues.

[Genesis 1.0]

;17771775']The match is still open..?

It's still 9-8, I'll give it a litte and see if anything shifts then slam it shut.

[trustyside-kick]

Hawkman is a tactician? Wow they have changed the character a lot.

Well he used to lead the JSA for one so I don't see how he isn't one? Plus the dude has lived since Ancient Egypt so I'm sure he's learned a thing or two about strategy in battle. I mean...that only makes sense and especially with his past lives.

[SuperFerret]

Yeah, but how good is Egyptian strategy in America? Huh? Yeah, I thought so.

[Docker2.0]

Well he used to lead the JSA for one so I don't see how he isn't one? Plus the dude has lived since Ancient Egypt so I'm sure he's learned a thing or two about strategy in battle. I mean...that only makes sense and especially with his past lives.

Dude that's like saying since the Hulk is over 30 years old, he would learn how to speak better than a 6 year old right? Yeah, you'd think so but that's not always the case. Hawkman hasn't really been shown to be that great in tactics, but the team is great so they make up for it.

[trustyside-kick]

Dude that's like saying since the Hulk is over 30 years old, he would learn how to speak better than a 6 year old right? Yeah, you'd think so but that's not always the case. Hawkman hasn't really been shown to be that great in tactics, but the team is great so they make up for it.

That is a VERY poor argument and example, dude. Wow, lol.

This is different when he has had several past lives where he was a samurai, a knight, a bowman, etc etc...he has lived for 5,000 years at least given Ancient Egypt is at least 3,000 B.C. and like I said he used to lead the JSA so he was a leader and even there he has experience leading and strategizing and being a tactician alone.

[Docker2.0]

Actually it's quite accurate. Both are assumptions and just becuase you would assume something is doesn't necessarily means it is.