G I JOE: the reason raimi is lame

[The Slang]

I've never taken much interest in the GI Joe franchise, but recently I accidently caught the last half of the movie in the theatre. When I arrived the joes were just beginning to chase a black jeep in their exo-skeletal armour and within five minutes I realised something: This is a better spider-man movie than the spider-man movies.

Snake-eyes style and precision put (movie) spidey's agility to shame, and -on an unrelated note- also made me excited about what we may see in a deadpool flick. The flash back scene between the two asian children involved more skill and realism than any combat scene performed by tobey or even his stunt men. The movie also featured more natural feeling humour and many science-fiction type elements while retaining a 'real world' setting.

As time goes by I'm realizing more and more, the only things raimi got right were the things he left the hell alone. The quality aspects of Raimis spider-man movies come directly from the source material. Imagine what greater quality we could have, if that already successful source material were in the hands of someone better suited to the franchise.

[smoothbody]

I've never taken much interest in the GI Joe franchise, but recently I accidently caught the last half of the movie in the theatre. When I arrived the joes were just beginning to chase a black jeep in their exo-skeletal armour and within five minutes I realised something: This is a better spider-man movie than the spider-man movies.

Snake-eyes style and precision put (movie) spidey's agility to shame, and -on an unrelated note- also made me excited about what we may see in a deadpool flick. The flash back scene between the two asian children involved more skill and realism than any combat scene performed by tobey or even his stunt men. The movie also featured more natural feeling humour and many science-fiction type elements while retaining a 'real world' setting.

As time goes by I'm realizing more and more, the only things raimi got right were the things he left the hell alone. The quality aspects of Raimis spider-man movies come directly from the source material. Imagine what greater quality we could have, if that already successful source material were in the hands of someone better suited to the franchise.

you are sooo on point with your statement that all i can say is "NUFF SAID"

[Spider-ManHero12]

I disagree with everything you have said. 110% disagree, actually.

[SpeterMan3]

For some reason, I'm not surprised by the two responses so far...


:hehe:


I guess I half agree.

[Venom 1988]

Thats because SMH12 will defend Raimi until last breath. :oldrazz:

[Spider-ManHero12]

SMH12 will defend Raimi until last breath. :oldrazz: Nah, not necessarily. If he did something wrong, I'd say it. :up:

[FaT_tONle]

who is this guy... theslag?

[Spider-ManHero12]

I just don't understand why people all of a sudden hate Raimi's Spider-Man. I mean, back at comic-con 2006, everybody applauded him. I guess that's just the way of the fan.

[Joker]

who is this guy... theslag?

Heck no. TheSlag has his complaints about the franchise, but he enjoys it overall.

[BrollySupersj]

The fail is strong with this one.

[SpeterMan3]

I just don't understand why people all of a sudden hate Raimi's Spider-Man. I mean, back at comic-con 2006, everybody applauded him. I guess that's just the way of the fan.
I think it is. And the fan is fickle. :grin:

Lol, even though if I'm a fan of something, I'm not going to ever stop, even if things get bad. I love SM3... the Bucs are my favorite football team and have been for a while... I'll see as many Spider-Man movies as they wanna crank out. I like Raimi's Spider-Man. I don;t care if it's a deviation from the comics or if 3 had too much danciing. It's Raimi's Spider-Man... and I appreciate random dancing, in any form or media. :yay:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Lol, even though if I'm a fan of something, I'm not going to ever stop, even if things get bad. I love SM3... the Bucs are my favorite football team and have been for a while... I'll see as many Spider-Man movies as they wanna crank out. I like Raimi's Spider-Man. I don;t care if it's a deviation from the comics or if 3 had too much danciing. It's Raimi's Spider-Man... and I appreciate random dancing, in any form or media. :yay: That's the spirit!

I think it is. And the fan is fickle. :grin: Oh, yes, there are defenitedly fans out there that are annoying. Here's a list of the bad types of fans, IMO.

1. The fans who loves one film and the director, then hates the director for messing up on the next film.

2. The fans who feel as though they need to hype everything involving comic book films, and are not dedicated enough to their favorite superhero.

3. The fans who bash the character or his films, but talks about and sees it anyway.

4. The people who think their opinions matter.

5. The people who praise one film and the director, and act as though he/she can direct anything.

[Fresh Prince]

Lol Spiderman films better then GI Joe movie. It was good but not that good.

[SpeterMan3]

That's the spirit!
:grin:

Oh, yes, there are defenitedly fans out there that are annoying. Here's a list of the bad types of fans, IMO.

1. The fans who loves one film and the director, then hates the director for messing up on the next film.

2. The fans who feel as though they need to hype everything involving comic book films, and are not dedicated enough to their favorite superhero.

3. The fans who bash the character or his films, but talks about and sees it anyway.

4. The people who think their opinions matter.

5. The people who praise one film and the director, and act as though he/she can direct anything.
:up:

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ As for wich one i don't like the most, I'd have to say the "hyping everything, and no showing enough dedication for favorite superhero" one. I just think that's stupid, honestly.

[venomvsspidey]

I've never taken much interest in the GI Joe franchise, but recently I accidently caught the last half of the movie in the theatre. When I arrived the joes were just beginning to chase a black jeep in their exo-skeletal armour and within five minutes I realised something: This is a better spider-man movie than the spider-man movies.

Snake-eyes style and precision put (movie) spidey's agility to shame, and -on an unrelated note- also made me excited about what we may see in a deadpool flick. The flash back scene between the two asian children involved more skill and realism than any combat scene performed by tobey or even his stunt men. The movie also featured more natural feeling humour and many science-fiction type elements while retaining a 'real world' setting.

As time goes by I'm realizing more and more, the only things raimi got right were the things he left the hell alone. The quality aspects of Raimis spider-man movies come directly from the source material. Imagine what greater quality we could have, if that already successful source material were in the hands of someone better suited to the franchise.


TROLL NO TROLLING! :dry:

[venomvsspidey]

you are sooo on point with your statement that all i can say is "NUFF SAID"


:whatever::whatever:

for someone who says shia labouf is spider-man this means NOTHING. now; i havent seen G.I. Joe Yet, so i dont know if it's good or not. but i doubt it'll be better than the spidermans.

[Venom 1988]

Aww, I got an infraction :(

[chaseter]

HAHA the guy that wants Shia thinks Spider-Man should be molded after GI Joe. NO THANKS.

[Demogoblin]

Sorry, I gotta disagree with the OP. I saw GI Joe. I dont want a Spidey flick to be anything like that movie. I like the mature tone that Raimi has brought to the series. GI Joe was a lot of things, but mature it was not.

Oh, and there was only one Asian child. The other was white. :o

[SuperFerret]

Spidey needs to chase jeeps in the next movie. That'll please everyone.

[CalebYourMaster]

GI Joe was ridiculously stupid...I agree with brolly.

[The Slang]

I'm not saying I enjoyed the G I Joe movie more than Spider-man, or that I want a spider-man movie molded after GI Joe. I had no real previous knowledge of G I Joe before seeing the (last half) of the movie, wheras I've been a spider-man fan for years so Im typically going to enjoy spider-man movies more... that's exactly my point.

Raimi took an amazing story and told it in a mediocre way, luckily that amazing story was enough for the most part to make up for it. Isn't it possible that people are only as satisfied as they are with raimi's movies, because we don't have anything else?

Oh yeah, and that car chase scene was better than any car chase scene in the spider-man trilogy... Surfing on a door/sheet of metal? He's not sonic the hedgehog. The shockwave type weapon fired by that brunette in the glasses in GI Joe reminded me of a certain yellow padded criminal type that I would like to see in a spider-man movie one day.

[Eggyman]

TROLL NO TROLLING! :dry:

I disagree with the OP, but I'd hardly call it trolling. He was giving his opinion on what he would like to see in the Spidey franchise; he was mentioning the shortcomings he believes Raimi to have within said franchise. That doesn't make him a troll. That makes him a disgruntled fan. The hype is a place to bring all opinions to the table, not just the positive ones, so go easy on the ...
TROLL NO TROLLING! :dry:
...posts. It's almost like you're trolling. ;)

[BrollySupersj]

Ok, so this thread is REALLY about making the next Spider-Man like GI JOE? I mean....is that seriously what this boardmember wants?

A movie with Spider-Man saying "Alright ladies, mount up!".



Nah...who in the WORLD would want that?

[MarvelMovies]

If only G.I. Joe was half as good as Spider-Man! I saw G.I. Joe this weekend, and have to disagree with the first poster's comment as well.

Other than Spider-Man 3, Raimi did a great job and I'm excited for his interpretation of Warcraft as well.

Stephen Sommers has no comparison to Raimi, although Sommers may make some enjoyable films, he certainly doesn't make great films or long-lasting ones. Mummy and Van Helsing were just that, fun popcorn flicks that you go see with your girlfriend and hope for a kiss at the end (or just by yourself to see Kate Beckinsale!)

G.I. Joe was decent, but nowhere near the hype or level of excitement that I had for Spider-Man.

[The Slang]

Oh c'mon, that's an over-simplification. During GI Joe I felt this sense of fun and awe during the action. The characters were making humerous comments to eachother during life theatening situations. That's what I wanted to feel in a spider-man movie, and did to an extent but just not enough... It's not like I'm saying I want shorty from scary movie to rock up.

[American_Hobo]

I can't believe I'm actually saying this but to me, GI JOE was more entertaining than any of the Spiderman movies.
Sam Raimi needs to make the action scenes a bit longer.

[Smit84]

God forbid Sam Raimi aspires to make the Spider-man movies more substantial than your average summer action movie!

[HughJackFan420]

well i can only bash Raimi for the 1st to movies which isn't really much bashing at all. i thought he did well but it could've been a little darker and more action less cry baby stuff. Spider-Man 3 was a good movie but had a lot of errors. more Peter Parker as a cry baby crying w/Sandman crying with Mary Jane breaking up w/him Venom's death but yet Raimi didn't have full control of Spider-Man 3. still I haven't seen GI Joe i'm sure it's as action packed as the Spidey flicks should've been but those are 2 different animals

[venomvsspidey]

I disagree with the OP, but I'd hardly call it trolling. He was giving his opinion on what he would like to see in the Spidey franchise; he was mentioning the shortcomings he believes Raimi to have within said franchise. That doesn't make him a troll. That makes him a disgruntled fan. The hype is a place to bring all opinions to the table, not just the positive ones, so go easy on the ...

...posts. It's almost like you're trolling. ;)

it was a joke...:facepalm

[Smit84]

well i can only bash Raimi for the 1st to movies which isn't really much bashing at all. i thought he did well but it could've been a little darker and more action less cry baby stuff. Spider-Man 3 was a good movie but had a lot of errors. more Peter Parker as a cry baby crying w/Sandman crying with Mary Jane breaking up w/him Venom's death but yet Raimi didn't have full control of Spider-Man 3. still I haven't seen GI Joe i'm sure it's as action packed as the Spidey flicks should've been but those are 2 different animals

Spider-man has always been about an average kid or a young man who happens to be a superhero. The formula for most of his stories have always beeen about how he has normal, everyday problems just made worse by leading a double life as a superhero. Many artists and writers who've worked on the comics have said this is strength of the concept. Raimi just embellished this element and focused more on drama with some comic book cheese thrown in to lighten the mood.

I don't see anything wrong with it, though it was probably overdone in Spider-man 3 (the movie itself was overdone). I think maybe the films could use a little bit more action but really I'd be hard pressed to pick out a moment where it would've been appropriate for another action scene. It would be action for the sake of having more in it.

[Fresh Prince]

Well if you want ton of action and good action then Micheal Bay is your guy for Spiderman. As a screen writer of course. He can direct Spidey films in the future.

[Batspider77]

I've never taken much interest in the GI Joe franchise, but recently I accidently caught the last half of the movie in the theatre. When I arrived the joes were just beginning to chase a black jeep in their exo-skeletal armour and within five minutes I realised something: This is a better spider-man movie than the spider-man movies.

Snake-eyes style and precision put (movie) spidey's agility to shame, and -on an unrelated note- also made me excited about what we may see in a deadpool flick. The flash back scene between the two asian children involved more skill and realism than any combat scene performed by tobey or even his stunt men. The movie also featured more natural feeling humour and many science-fiction type elements while retaining a 'real world' setting.

As time goes by I'm realizing more and more, the only things raimi got right were the things he left the hell alone. The quality aspects of Raimis spider-man movies come directly from the source material. Imagine what greater quality we could have, if that already successful source material were in the hands of someone better suited to the franchise.

I don´t care for G.I. Joe,but you´re right about Raimi and i said it 10 times before,give the Spiderman Franchise to someone who really loves and knows the Character of Spiderman/Peter Parker and you will get a Movie that could even sink the Titanic.

[CalebYourMaster]

I can't believe I'm actually saying this but to me, GI JOE was more entertaining than any of the Spiderman movies.
Sam Raimi needs to make the action scenes a bit longer.
woah woah woah...i respect your opinion....but oh my god is that a seriously bold statement...which i completely disagree with but i still respect it...but wow...just wow

[webhead731]

This some new trend? Say "this movie is how Spidey should be!!!!!"

Dark Knight
Watchmen
G.I. Joe

:dry:

Fine. I think the Spider-Man movies SUK and they should have been like Camp Rock (teh Jonaz Broz movee).

[BrollySupersj]

It's plain and simple really.

Aiming the next Spider-Man movies in the direction of being like GI Joe is stupid.

The end.

[SuperFerret]

Fine. I think the Spider-Man movies SUK and they should have been like Camp Rock (teh Jonaz Broz movee).

So you're of the school of thought that there wasn't enough dancing in Spider-Man 3?

[venomvsspidey]

so you're of the school of thought that there wasn't enough dancing in spider-man 3?

fail.

[Spider-ManHero12]

It's plain and simple really.

Aiming the next Spider-Man movies in the direction of being like GI Joe is stupid.

The end. :up:

[SuperFerret]

fail.

FAIL.

:csad:

Lern 2 humour.

[venomvsspidey]

FAIL.

:csad:

Lern 2 humour.

lurn 2 spaek teh englizh

[SuperFerret]

Lulz I can haz englizh lessinz?

[SpideyZERO]

What happened? It's like everyone hates Spidey and Sam Raimi now? Weird...I swear, it's totally the other way around when I just registered here

[SpideyTheBest]

What happened? It's like everyone hates Spidey and Sam Raimi now? Weird...I swear, it's totally the other way around when I just registered here

I think it's because some people "realised" that the franchise sucked from the beginning after they had watched Spider-Man 3. :whatever:

Or some people didin't dare to admit they hated the franchise until Spider-Man 3 made them to do it.

[Oscorp]

I think the action is the least problem with this franchise tbh.

[Fresh Prince]

I think it's because some people "realised" that the franchise sucked from the beginning after they had watched Spider-Man 3. :whatever:

Or some people didin't dare to admit they hated the franchise until Spider-Man 3 made them to do it.

Yeah I cannot get into Spiderman 1-3 at all. Always thought it did suck from the beginning. And overrated.

[venom892]

Haven't seen G.I joe don't plan to either.The trailer told me all I need to know.Anyways I doubt it's better then the SM movies.SM1-2 are some of the best superhero movies.SM3 isn't but certainly isn't at the same level as B&R.

[Smit84]

I think it's because some people "realised" that the franchise sucked from the beginning after they had watched Spider-Man 3. :whatever:

Or some people didin't dare to admit they hated the franchise until Spider-Man 3 made them to do it.

More like, most fanboys are fickle.

[Oscorp]

I think it's because some people "realised" that the franchise sucked from the beginning after they had watched Spider-Man 3. :whatever:

Or some people didin't dare to admit they hated the franchise until Spider-Man 3 made them to do it.

Tbh, I never was a big fan of Spider-Man 2, and Spider-Man 3 is a crappy movie (watched it again recently just to see if it may grow on me but I almost couldn't finish it). In Spider-Man 2, I just couldn't accept how they treated Doc Ock, even if Molina acted the role he was given with perfection. Spider-Man 1 however is a pretty good movie imo, except for the Green Goblin suit. Mary Jane was actually a pretty likeable character in that one and Willem really nailed Osborn/Green Goblin (how I loved his maniac laughter). I still have faith in Spider-Man 4 though, as Raimi now has the perfect opportunity to redeem himself after Spider-Man 3 if it turns out as great as it should. Just ignore as much as possible from Spider-Man 3, make a great story with some more Spidey and some less Parker, tune the love story down abit with less screentime for MJ and focus more on the villain(s) and we might have a winner.

[Spider-ManHero12]

What happened? It's like everyone hates Spidey and Sam Raimi now? Weird...I swear, it's totally the other way around when I just registered here Same here, my friend. :up:

[venom892]

I don't hate rami or the Spider-man movies.I love the first two but the third I disliked.Just because you like a certain character doesn't mean you have to like everything thats done with Him/Her.

[Oscorp]

I don't hate rami or the Spider-man movies.I love the first two but the third I disliked.Just because you like a certain character doesn't mean you have to like everything thats done with Him/Her.

Exactly! I think it's better to be abit critical than to blindly like everything that involves the character. I mean, when there are so many great stories to chose from, we shouldn't accept the mess called Spider-Man 3. And we fans should be clear with that, so they learn from their mistakes 'til next time.

[venomvsspidey]

What happened? It's like everyone hates Spidey and Sam Raimi now? Weird...I swear, it's totally the other way around when I just registered here

i know. i never stopped loving raimi (you know what i mean :hehe:), i mean, i loved spider-man 3, albeit a deeply flawed film. plus he gave us army of darkness / evil freaking dead!

[venomvsspidey]

Yeah I cannot get into Spiderman 1-3 at all. Always thought it did suck from the beginning. And overrated.


:whatever::whatever: then..why would you visit the spider-man movie boards to discuss..the movies? or have any hope in SM4? i swear your the lamest fanboy ever.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by Fresh Prince http://forums.superherohype.com/images/Drakon/SHHClassic/smallbuttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17325222#post17325222)
Yeah I cannot get into Spiderman 1-3 at all. Always thought it did suck from the beginning. And overrated.
With due respect, if you hate them, then why are you here?

[Figs]

Oh c'mon, that's an over-simplification. During GI Joe I felt this sense of fun and awe during the action. The characters were making humerous comments to eachother during life theatening situations. That's what I wanted to feel in a spider-man movie, and did to an extent but just not enough... It's not like I'm saying I want shorty from scary movie to rock up.

GI Joe was dumb fun that I did enjoy. The Slang, I know exactly what your trying to say and I agree to an extent. I think the action in Raimi's Spider-Man films has been entertaining and pretty damn good so far, especially all the Spidey VS Dock Ock fights. So far with the exception of a few things from Spider-Man 3 I think Raimi has done a pretty good job. There's obviously a lot of room for improvement but I'm still excited to see if he can fully redeem himself with this fourth film or if it's time to hand over the reigns.

[BrollySupersj]

With due respect, if you hate them, then why are you here?

You'll never get an answer for that question. People complain at the things they dislike simply for no reason.

I hate G-Gundam, and I love all things Gundam, but you don't see me bombing the series while 95% of that thread are G-Gundam supporters.

If you don't like it, DON'T BE AROUND IT.:o

[bunk]

:whatever::whatever: then..why would you visit the spider-man movie boards to discuss..the movies? or have any hope in SM4? i swear your the lamest fanboy ever.

With due respect, if you hate them, then why are you here?

You'll never get an answer for that question. People complain at the things they dislike simply for no reason.

I hate G-Gundam, and I love all things Gundam, but you don't see me bombing the series while 95% of that thread are G-Gundam supporters.

If you don't like it, DON'T BE AROUND IT.:o

Why don't you try ignoring him? Flaming somebody for making a lame comment is just a pointless as making a lame comment. He IS in the Spider Man forum. If he did it everywhere, I could see the need to flame.

[Oscorp]

With due respect, if you hate them, then why are you here?

Because even if you hate the movies, you can still love the characters? Because even if you hate the movies, there are things you can discuss about?
Because even if you hate the movies, you care about the series and want them to turn out good?
Because even if you hate the movies, you may find it interresting to discuss with different points of view and opinions?

I can go on for a while. You don't have to like everything Spider-Man related to discuss about it. You know, lots of people (like me) like to discuss what they want to do better for the franchise, since they know it could be handled much better.

It's better to see things critically and unbiased because how else will developers and other people find out what they did wrong? It's alot better, both for creativity and for discussion, than blindly liking everything no matter how bad it actually is, just because Spidey is the star in it.

Or maybe you prefer a discussion like this:
Person 1: "I really love the movie! I love the idea of Sandman as Uncle Ben's killer!"
Person 2: "I agree! I love it too!"
Person 1: "And I really love the look of New Goblin!"
Person 2: "Yeah!"
Person 1: "Spider-Man 4 will be great, no matter what! I mean, it's Spider-Man you know."
Spider-ManHero12: "I second that :up:"

[Spider-ManHero12]

Because even if you hate the movies, you can still love the characters? Because even if you hate the movies, there are things you can discuss about?
Because even if you hate the movies, you care about the series and want them to turn out good?
Because even if you hate the movies, you may find it interresting to discuss with different points of view and opinions?

I can go on for a while. You don't have to like everything Spider-Man related to discuss about it. You know, lots of people (like me) like to discuss what they want to do better for the franchise, since they know it could be handled much better.

It's better to see things critically and unbiased because how else will developers and other people find out what they did wrong? It's alot better, both for creativity and for discussion, than blindly liking everything no matter how bad it actually is, just because Spidey is the star in it.

Or maybe you prefer a discussion like this:
Person 1: "I really love the movie! I love the idea of Sandman as Uncle Ben's killer!"
Person 2: "I agree! I love it too!"
Person 1: "And I really love the look of New Goblin!"
Person 2: "Yeah!"
Person 1: "Spider-Man 4 will be great, no matter what! I mean, it's Spider-Man you know."
Spider-ManHero12: "I second that :up:" Good job trying to put me down, friend. Way to jump down somebody's throat when they did absoloutely nothing wrong. You know, maybe i'll start bashing Nolan for no reason. I mean, Bat fans think Nolan is perfect, so maybe i should just do that.

I DON'T LIKE EVERYTHING OF SPIDER-MAN. You see, I think it's better to actually discuss and actually say some positive things, rather than bashing the films. I mean, for christs sake, people are making fun of Tobey crying. Oh, yeah, that'll help. It's always the same, anyway. Bash the director and say terrible things about the franchise and think that it'll help get a great movie.

You see, I'm not going to go around saying "This movie will suck!"

Everybody will always have something to b**** about.


I'm not mad and I respect you 100%

.......

but you have it all wrong about me. I'm sure, though, that a small amount of people will continue on with "S-MH12 loves EVERYTHING Spider-Man!!!! He kisses Raimi's ass!!!"

It's just complete Bulls***.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Why don't you try ignoring him? Flaming somebody for making a lame comment is just a pointless as making a lame comment. He IS in the Spider Man forum. If he did it everywhere, I could see the need to flame. Oh, you're absoloutely right, I'm just curious why people hang around places that involve something they don't like.

[bunk]

Boredom probably.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Could be.

[venom892]

I think that hate is a too strong a word to bestow on a movie.However I think we shouldn't bunch people into groups of only loved and hated.for example I love the first two movies but disliked the third.I come here to discuss SM4 to see if it the franchise can be turned in a great direction.Even when something of Spider-man is awesome we can all find something we don't like about it.For example Spectacular Spider-man is the best thing to happen to Spidey in years in my opinion but I still don't like the Kraven redesign.So we shouldn't jump on people just cause they like or dislike the movies but instead discuss both sides of the story what will all liked and disliked about the movies what aspects we want to return and not return and what new fresh ideas we want to see.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Edit - nvm

[venomvsspidey]

Because even if you hate the movies, you can still love the characters? Because even if you hate the movies, there are things you can discuss about?
Because even if you hate the movies, you care about the series and want them to turn out good?
Because even if you hate the movies, you may find it interresting to discuss with different points of view and opinions?

I can go on for a while. You don't have to like everything Spider-Man related to discuss about it. You know, lots of people (like me) like to discuss what they want to do better for the franchise, since they know it could be handled much better.

It's better to see things critically and unbiased because how else will developers and other people find out what they did wrong? It's alot better, both for creativity and for discussion, than blindly liking everything no matter how bad it actually is, just because Spidey is the star in it.

Or maybe you prefer a discussion like this:
Person 1: "I really love the movie! I love the idea of Sandman as Uncle Ben's killer!"
Person 2: "I agree! I love it too!"
Person 1: "And I really love the look of New Goblin!"
Person 2: "Yeah!"
Person 1: "Spider-Man 4 will be great, no matter what! I mean, it's Spider-Man you know."
Spider-ManHero12: "I second that :up:"


can i just say one thing oscorp? MEGA-FAIL.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[bunk]

That was terrible rebuttal.

[venomvsspidey]

That was terrible rebuttal.


and i care about your opinion why? :huh::huh:

[bunk]

You care about it enough to respond.

[BrollySupersj]

Oi let's just forget it, no need to make this a big ole flame thread.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Oi let's just forget it, no need to make this a big ole flame thread. Agreed, but I think it was destined to become that way.

[BrollySupersj]

It's the way of forums.

[Spider-ManHero12]

It's the way of forums. Yeah, that's true. Peaceful moments don't last, I guess.

[TheSlag]

Because even if you hate the movies, you can still love the characters? Because even if you hate the movies, there are things you can discuss about?
Because even if you hate the movies, you care about the series and want them to turn out good?
Because even if you hate the movies, you may find it interresting to discuss with different points of view and opinions?

I can go on for a while. You don't have to like everything Spider-Man related to discuss about it. You know, lots of people (like me) like to discuss what they want to do better for the franchise, since they know it could be handled much better.

It's better to see things critically and unbiased because how else will developers and other people find out what they did wrong? It's alot better, both for creativity and for discussion, than blindly liking everything no matter how bad it actually is, just because Spidey is the star in it.

Or maybe you prefer a discussion like this:
Person 1: "I really love the movie! I love the idea of Sandman as Uncle Ben's killer!"
Person 2: "I agree! I love it too!"
Person 1: "And I really love the look of New Goblin!"
Person 2: "Yeah!"
Person 1: "Spider-Man 4 will be great, no matter what! I mean, it's Spider-Man you know."
Spider-ManHero12: "I second that :up:"

LMAO. :up: One of my new fave posters (have not seen you around much, but heck, I have not been around too much).. too much of the above (lol) convo's going on in most threads.

"Great post"... and an intelligent one to boot, and "totally" agree.

[TheSlag]

As far as the subject goes:

A) I have not seen GI Joe, and not sure I plan to

B) As I think my new fave poster said, Action scenes are the least (or at least of one the least) of the Spider-Man movies problems

SM1 had the best final battle, btutal and brilliant IMO with a few minor quibles
SM2 action wise was frickin fantastic
SM3 (opening battle between Spidey and whatever the Harry Surfer "dood" was supposed to be was first class.. the rest.. "meh"... and the final battle.... Simply Pathetic. :down:

So overall.. WELL ABOVE average, and basically very good.

As a wise man said, Action Scenes are the least of the franchise problems. That said, they should always strive to achieve better action scenes in each movie.

[webhead731]

Because even if you hate the movies, you can still love the characters? Because even if you hate the movies, there are things you can discuss about?
Because even if you hate the movies, you care about the series and want them to turn out good?
Because even if you hate the movies, you may find it interresting to discuss with different points of view and opinions?

I don't know about every poster, but constructive criticism is good. Bashing and hating is not right. Coming here with nothing but negatives and insults is what I don't like at all. I could care less what you or anyone else thinks of these films, but I do care about a mature environment to post in.



It's better to see things critically and unbiased because how else will developers and other people find out what they did wrong? It's alot better, both for creativity and for discussion, than blindly liking everything no matter how bad it actually is, just because Spidey is the star in it.

What the hell is this? Please don't tell me you're implying that anyone or someone who likes these movies likes it because "Spidey is the star". Please don't tell me that's what you just said. :facepalm: You have no right to say that about anyone's opinion.
I love Ghost Rider but I felt that movie was a mediocre comedy/action rather than the amazingness it could have been. I like Batman but Batman and Robin was just stupid (entertaining, but stupid). I think Catwoman is cool but that movie blew ass. I don't give a crap who the star is, if I don't think it's done right or creativly then I don't. I love the Spidey movies because they're great re-tellings of the classic stories to me. Flaws? Yep. Doesn't mean I hate them or I'm "blinded" by the fact it's Spidey in the movie".

Or maybe you prefer a discussion like this:
Person 1: "I really love the movie! I love the idea of Sandman as Uncle Ben's killer!"
Person 2: "I agree! I love it too!"
Person 1: "And I really love the look of New Goblin!"
Person 2: "Yeah!"
Person 1: "Spider-Man 4 will be great, no matter what! I mean, it's Spider-Man you know."
Spider-ManHero12: "I second that :up:"

You are an ass. Really. I can't believe you went low enough to insult a poster on their opinions. What an assy thing to do. Not everyone wants to come to the boards with the negatives 24/7. Some of us fans, like myself, like being positive. Have I said bad things about the movies, or things I didn't like? Yep. But I see no need to keep bringing them up. If I agree with something, I agree with it. We have so many trolls and crap here to do the negatives, why throw more in the fire?

As far as the subject goes:

A) I have not seen GI Joe, and not sure I plan to

B) As I think my new fave poster said, Action scenes are the least (or at least of one the least) of the Spider-Man movies problems

SM1 had the best final battle, btutal and brilliant IMO with a few minor quibles
SM2 action wise was frickin fantastic
SM3 (opening battle between Spidey and whatever the Harry Surfer "dood" was supposed to be was first class.. the rest.. "meh"... and the final battle.... Simply Pathetic. :down:

So overall.. WELL ABOVE average, and basically very good.

As a wise man said, Action Scenes are the least of the franchise problems. That said, they should always strive to achieve better action scenes in each movie.

Personally, I thought the action in Spider-Man 3 was the best out of all the movies. I agree with the Green Goblin fight in 1 though.

[Oscorp]

Good job trying to put me down, friend. Way to jump down somebody's throat when they did absoloutely nothing wrong. You know, maybe i'll start bashing Nolan for no reason. I mean, Bat fans think Nolan is perfect, so maybe i should just do that.

I DON'T LIKE EVERYTHING OF SPIDER-MAN. You see, I think it's better to actually discuss and actually say some positive things, rather than bashing the films. I mean, for christs sake, people are making fun of Tobey crying. Oh, yeah, that'll help. It's always the same, anyway. Bash the director and say terrible things about the franchise and think that it'll help get a great movie.

You see, I'm not going to go around saying "This movie will suck!"

Everybody will always have something to b**** about.


I'm not mad and I respect you 100%

.......

but you have it all wrong about me. I'm sure, though, that a small amount of people will continue on with "S-MH12 loves EVERYTHING Spider-Man!!!! He kisses Raimi's ass!!!"

It's just complete Bulls***.

You know, I may be a new poster, but I've been around here for a LONG time reading the forums with interrest. And you know what? You never make a point in your posts. You only "totally agree :up:" to any positive post about Spider-Man and the movies and sometimes evolve the fanboyism even more.

In my post, I never required people to only say "this movie sucks!". I pointed out that even though people dislike the movies, there are lots of possible discussion in it since we all want the movies to move in a better direction and we all like the character. And I've seen a difference in the posters in this board. Many of the "bashing" people here actually state out points of why they dislike certain parts of the movies. What do you ever bring to the conversation?

Oh, you're absoloutely right, I'm just curious why people hang around places that involve something they don't like.

You certainly didn't read the first part of my post.

I think that hate is a too strong a word to bestow on a movie.However I think we shouldn't bunch people into groups of only loved and hated.for example I love the first two movies but disliked the third.I come here to discuss SM4 to see if it the franchise can be turned in a great direction.Even when something of Spider-man is awesome we can all find something we don't like about it.For example Spectacular Spider-man is the best thing to happen to Spidey in years in my opinion but I still don't like the Kraven redesign.So we shouldn't jump on people just cause they like or dislike the movies but instead discuss both sides of the story what will all liked and disliked about the movies what aspects we want to return and not return and what new fresh ideas we want to see.

Exactly what I was talking about. Instead of everyone joining a bandwagon, we should be able to see things in different points of view. However, SOME fankids don't seem to want to discuss in a forum, only agreeing to each others' praises.

can i just say one thing oscorp? MEGA-FAIL.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Way to go to make yourself look stupid. At least I can guess your age now, thank you! Next time, please bring something to the discussion instead. Bunk said it pretty well:

That was terrible rebuttal.

LMAO. :up: One of my new fave posters (have not seen you around much, but heck, I have not been around too much).. too much of the above (lol) convo's going on in most threads.

"Great post"... and an intelligent one to boot, and "totally" agree.

I've been around quite a long time, but not as a member. So for you guys, I'm new. However, I've been reading here alot and I must say, there are some bashing on people that's uncalled for. If you want the kids to like you, then you better "second that :up:" to everything Spidey-related that's posimistic. Also, you better be blind to things that actually aren't good. Just a word of advice my friend.

[Oscorp]

I don't know about every poster, but constructive criticism is good. Bashing and hating is not right. Coming here with nothing but negatives and insults is what I don't like at all. I could care less what you or anyone else thinks of these films, but I do care about a mature environment to post in.

TheSlag didn't just bash without constructive criticism you know, he stated that Raimi should take a look at the action scenes in GI:Joe. So why do some fanboys bash him? Oh, because he doesn't love everything in the Spidey movies and actually want to state some points that can be better. Now THAT is a troll, ain't it? :whatever:

What the hell is this? Please don't tell me you're implying that anyone or someone who likes these movies likes it because "Spidey is the star". Please don't tell me that's what you just said. :facepalm: You have no right to say that about anyone's opinion.
I love Ghost Rider but I felt that movie was a mediocre comedy/action rather than the amazingness it could have been. I like Batman but Batman and Robin was just stupid (entertaining, but stupid). I think Catwoman is cool but that movie blew ass. I don't give a crap who the star is, if I don't think it's done right or creativly then I don't. I love the Spidey movies because they're great re-tellings of the classic stories to me. Flaws? Yep. Doesn't mean I hate them or I'm "blinded" by the fact it's Spidey in the movie".

Reading the posts around here, you can tell some fanboys are like that. They never say WHY they actually like some parts of the movie that is being "bashed" when they defend it. They just make themselves stupid with pointless "You're a troll!", "The movie is great no matter what you think!" etc etc. All I'm asking for is for some people to actually bring anything to the discussion other than mindless praising all the time.

You are an ass. Really. I can't believe you went low enough to insult a poster on their opinions. What an assy thing to do. Not everyone wants to come to the boards with the negatives 24/7. Some of us fans, like myself, like being positive. Have I said bad things about the movies, or things I didn't like? Yep. But I see no need to keep bringing them up. If I agree with something, I agree with it. We have so many trolls and crap here to do the negatives, why throw more in the fire?

I asked him "Do you want every discussion to look like this?". In what way is that an insult?

Thing is, if there are things you don't like in the movies (such as the action scenes for example), you have all the right to bring it up to discussion. It's simple as that, if you don't like it, ignore it and keep on with your agreements to each other.

[webhead731]

TheSlag didn't just bash without constructive criticism you know, he stated that Raimi should take a look at the action scenes in GI:Joe. So why do some fanboys bash him? Oh, because he doesn't love everything in the Spidey movies and actually want to state some points that can be better. Now THAT is a troll, ain't it? :whatever:

I never said he was a troll nor did I say his "opinion" was wrong. I disagree with it and I :rolleyes:'d at the title, but I'm not even bashing him. So why you brought that up in a quote of my post is beyond me.



Reading the posts around here, you can tell some fanboys are like that. They never say WHY they actually like some parts of the movie that is being "bashed" when they defend it. They just make themselves stupid with pointless "You're a troll!", "The movie is great no matter what you think!" etc etc. All I'm asking for is for some people to actually bring anything to the discussion other than mindless praising all the time.

You haven't read every post because alot of people do bring valid points on why they liked it. You said some. So "some" people also mindlessly bash stuff too. So what? It's just annoying.



I asked him "Do you want every discussion to look like this?". In what way is that an insult?

Stop it. You made a little fake scripted post directed at bashing another member. It's plain rude and uncalled for.

Thing is, if there are things you don't like in the movies (such as the action scenes for example), you have all the right to bring it up to discussion. It's simple as that, if you don't like it, ignore it and keep on with your agreements to each other.

I'm not disagreeing with this. Like I said, it's the mindless slashing at a movie is what's annoying.

[Oscorp]

I never said he was a troll nor did I say his "opinion" was wrong. I disagree with it and I :rolleyes:'d at the title, but I'm not even bashing him. So why you brought that up in a quote of my post is beyond me.

I wasn't specifically pointing at you about bashing others. You seemed to defend their behaviour of complaining and bashing as soon as someone brings up something he doesn't like. I've seen this before. As soon as someone brings up something he doesn't like and says he'd prefer it in another way, there are always these guys that yell out "troll!", post facepalms, calling him idiot etc. You see, I dislike mindless bashing as much as you do, but this wasn't such a case.

You haven't read every post because alot of people do bring valid points on why they liked it. You said some. So "some" people also mindlessly bash stuff too. So what? It's just annoying.

As I said, I don't support mindless bashing. But this wasn't mindless bashing and still, there are these guys that jump the bandwagon and bash him in every chance they get. The funny thing is, guys like TheSlag brings much more to the discussion than these guys do.

Stop it. You made a little fake scripted post directed at bashing another member. It's plain rude and uncalled for.

Still you don't find it rude by guys like him to bash people that actually want to discuss? All the time someone has some criticism, I see Spider-ManHero12 calling the guy "troll", talking about how stupid it is of someone to be in the board if he doesn't love the movies etc. That is at least as rude as you take my "scripted post" to be. Really, he doesn't bring anything to the discussion and still bash others who do.

I'm not disagreeing with this. Like I said, it's the mindless slashing at a movie is what's annoying.

Yes, it's annoying, but there aren't much "slashing" around here that is mindless to be honest. Most of the time, they bring up WHY they don't like it, something most of the fanboys seem to ignore. They never say WHY they disagree or make points of why it's good etc. They only go by their "He's a troll, bash him or ignore him"-strategy.

[webhead731]

Well trolls can't be rhymed, reasoned, or negotiated with. :joker: So it's best to just ignore their stupid posts. I see ALOT of posts without specific reasons on their opinions, alot of posts with just the stupid typical "thiz suks venim emo dancz anz cryings1!!!1!" and it's flat out old and annoying. Then they think it's necessary to post it again and again everywhere else.

[venomvsspidey]

I don't know about every poster, but constructive criticism is good. Bashing and hating is not right. Coming here with nothing but negatives and insults is what I don't like at all. I could care less what you or anyone else thinks of these films, but I do care about a mature environment to post in.





What the hell is this? Please don't tell me you're implying that anyone or someone who likes these movies likes it because "Spidey is the star". Please don't tell me that's what you just said. :facepalm: You have no right to say that about anyone's opinion.
I love Ghost Rider but I felt that movie was a mediocre comedy/action rather than the amazingness it could have been. I like Batman but Batman and Robin was just stupid (entertaining, but stupid). I think Catwoman is cool but that movie blew ass. I don't give a crap who the star is, if I don't think it's done right or creativly then I don't. I love the Spidey movies because they're great re-tellings of the classic stories to me. Flaws? Yep. Doesn't mean I hate them or I'm "blinded" by the fact it's Spidey in the movie".


You are an ass. Really. I can't believe you went low enough to insult a poster on their opinions. What an assy thing to do. Not everyone wants to come to the boards with the negatives 24/7. Some of us fans, like myself, like being positive. Have I said bad things about the movies, or things I didn't like? Yep. But I see no need to keep bringing them up. If I agree with something, I agree with it. We have so many trolls and crap here to do the negatives, why throw more in the fire?



Personally, I thought the action in Spider-Man 3 was the best out of all the movies. I agree with the Green Goblin fight in 1 though.



:up:

[venomvsspidey]

Way to go to make yourself look stupid. At least I can guess your age now, thank you! Next time, please bring something to the discussion instead. Bunk said it pretty well:


you know youre in for a real treat when someone with 49 posts bashes you :facepalm and how'd you know i was 18??

[SpideyTheBest]

The action scenes were all great in this franchise! Nothing needs to be improved on. Should they be longer? Definately, but maybe not as long as the train fight in Spider-Man 2 but the Sandman and Venom fight scenes were way too short. At least have them longer than those fights. But then again, action isin't the most important thing in a movie.

And about people being positive, why not? It's alot better than being negative. All I see today is:
"The Spider-Man franchise sucked from the beginning!"
"Spider-Man 3 was fcking lame!"
"Spider-Man 3 sucked"
"Spider-Man is a crybaby!"
"Venom was screwed up completely! I mean, Topher Grace? WTF?!"
"Kirsten is FUGLY!"
"Reboot the franchise! All the Spider-Man films were terrible!"
"Recast everyone and get a new director! Sam Raimi has screwed up Spider-Man way too much!"

I could go on. For sure, I'm not saying that people shouldn't complain because they have the right to do it but most of them do it in such a immature way like "SPIDER-MAN 3 SUCKED RAIMI IS AN IDIOT!!!!" or just complain because it's fun. It's quite annoying.

However, I could agree that the whole "If you don't like it, why are you here?" get's a little old now. The only time I would use it is if some random douchebag comes out of nowhere who knows nothing about Spider-Man tells us how gay Spider-Man is or whatever.

[Oscorp]

Well trolls can't be rhymed, reasoned, or negotiated with. :joker: So it's best to just ignore their stupid posts. I see ALOT of posts without specific reasons on their opinions, alot of posts with just the stupid typical "thiz suks venim emo dancz anz cryings1!!!1!" and it's flat out old and annoying. Then they think it's necessary to post it again and again everywhere else.

Yeah, and I completely agree on that point. However, as I said, this was not the case in this thread.

[Spider-ManHero12]

You know, I may be a new poster, but I've been around here for a LONG time reading the forums with interrest. And you know what? You never make a point in your posts. You only "totally agree :up:" to any positive post about Spider-Man and the movies and sometimes evolve the fanboyism even more.

In my post, I never required people to only say "this movie sucks!". I pointed out that even though people dislike the movies, there are lots of possible discussion in it since we all want the movies to move in a better direction and we all like the character. And I've seen a difference in the posters in this board. Many of the "bashing" people here actually state out points of why they dislike certain parts of the movies. What do you ever bring to the conversation?



You certainly didn't read the first part of my post. See? It's all you, my friend. I try to be nice, but you're being an ass. Wow, that's just low right there, in my book. You know something? ALso, you just joined this month, so, obviously, you're quite ignorant. YOu know what happens when fans like you bring in tons of ideas for Sam, while also bashing the films? It messes the next film up. Let the director do his work so that we get a good film. You'll mess up his/her passion to direct and what their goal was. You know s*** about me, and quite frankly, you have to be really ignorant to talk bad about anyone here when you've only been here for such a short time. You guys are always trolling around and saying how bad the film is. Say something freakin positive for once. ALso, now I know what type of "fan" you are. I'm starting to think you're one of those guys that take message boards too seriously. I mean ,for gods sake, it's just a place where we talk.

Also, you may say that posters bring good reasons for bashing the movies, but to be quite honest, I hardly hear them say a damn good thing about the movies. Hell, the thread title. "G.I. Joe. The Reason Raimi is lame"

I bring nothing to the discussion? Wow, you really haven't checked out my posts from the past. You're a very closeminded person, that's for sure. So, I haven't been in a whole lot of deep discussions lately, but that's not reason to bash me. Of course, though, you just joined, so I shouldn't be surprised. It's not a good thing to do when you first join a message board, my friend.

If you think about it, what do bashers bring to the discussion? Huh? "This movie sucks! Raimi sucks! The action sucks! wah wah wah!" Crying like a baby. I can respect smart and intelligent reasons for not liking something, but to hate it for alot of reasons that don't make sense pisses me off. Not saying that's you, just pointing out that there are worse fans out there.

Believe it or not, I still respect you, but to disrespect me like you just did is beyond mean.


Also, just to point it out there, I wasn't bashing Fresh Prince.

[Oscorp]

See? It's all you, my friend. I try to be nice, but you're being an ass. Wow, that's just low right there, in my book. You know something? ALso, you just joined this month, so, obviously, you're quite ignorant. YOu know what happens when fans like you bring in tons of ideas for Sam, while also bashing the films? It messes the next film up. Let the director do his work so that we get a good film. You'll mess up his/her passion to direct and what their goal was. You know s*** about me, and quite frankly, you have to be really ignorant to talk bad about anyone here when you've only been here for such a short time. You guys are always trolling around and saying how bad the film is. Say something freakin positive for once. ALso, now I know what type of "fan" you are. I'm starting to think you're one of those guys that take message boards too seriously. I mean ,for gods sake, it's just a place where we talk.

Also, you may say that posters bring good reasons for bashing the movies, but to be quite honest, I hardly hear them say a damn good thing about the movies. Hell, the thread title. "G.I. Joe. The Reason Raimi is lame"

I bring nothing to the discussion? Wow, you really haven't checked out my posts from the past. You're a very closeminded person, that's for sure. So, I haven't been in a whole lot of deep discussions lately, but that's not reason to bash me. Of course, though, you just joined, so I shouldn't be surprised. It's not a good thing to do when you first join a message board, my friend.

If you think about it, what do bashers bring to the discussion? Huh? "This movie sucks! Raimi sucks! The action sucks! wah wah wah!" Crying like a baby. I can respect smart and intelligent reasons for not liking something, but to hate it for alot of reasons that don't make sense pisses me off. Not saying that's you, just pointing out that there are worse fans out there.

Believe it or not, I still respect you, but to disrespect me like you just did is beyond mean.


Also, just to point it out there, I wasn't bashing Fresh Prince.

You know, I don't want to be an ass at you, but I just didn't like your behaviour against TheSlag. You call him troll and all, but I've seen most of his posts. Mostly he makes some good points of what he wants to be improved. He's not mindlessly bashing. And just because I just recently joined the forums, it doesn't mean I haven'tbeen around here alot and read your conversations. How come I didn't join before? I tried, but I never received the mail from this site so I couldn't activate my account until I picked another mail that I have at another computer. Also, I didn't have any interrest in joining until about recently. I've been here since just before Spider-Man 3. I know it doesn't prove anything and I don't try to prove anything, but it's not like I just recently got to know this place if you think that. Anyway, I'll leave that. Let's move on.

You know, I don't think we will have that big of an influence on this film (as Sam Raimi now will have total control and probably be more determined this time, which I by the way support him all the way for), but it's still interresting to discuss what we would want him to improve on for the future.

Pardon? I've already said that I'm not new to this site, so stop with that ******** for once. It's not me who take the boards too seriously. You can't take that he didn't like the action in the movies. It's YOU who take it personal. A discussion board is a place to discuss, not just to praise everything.

TheSlag has said several times (not only here) that he likes some parts of the movies, and that they are above average. And about making good points, I meant that they point out WHY they don't like certain parts. They don't have to like anything to make a good point, you know. They can hate every single second of the movies and still make a good point why they do so. And no one has to agree to it.

However, I agree that the title of this thread is stupid. But when reading the actual post, he basicly said that Raimi should take a look at GI: Joe for inspiration of action scenes. I've never seen the movie so I can't agree nor disagree. Though, I actually love the action in the movies to be honest.

Don't call me close minded in one sentence and "my friend" in another. Now THAT is incapitating. I know you already hate me by now so don't try that with me.

Bashers bring nothing to the discussion, agree to that point. I never said bashers do. I said, there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Even if it may come off as bashing from TheSlag's part, the main point was still that Raimi should take inspiration from GI: Joe. That's not mindless bashing, but still you yell "troll!" at him. As I said, I don't agree with him about the action, but it's still not OK to bash him because of that.

I never mentioned Fresh Prince, I'm talking about the general bashing of people who happen to criticise some things about the movies. I think Spider-Man 2 is overrated and I don't like how they made Doc Ock in the movie, I hate Spider-Man 3, but I love Spider-Man 1 and still have faith in Raimi for a great Spider-Man 4. Just to point out that I'm not a hater, but I still respect what they bring to the discussion.

So, that's my wall of text. I respect you if you don't want to read it all, but I don't think I can explain myself more than this. Thank you!

[Spider-ManHero12]

You know, I don't want to be an ass at you, but I just didn't like your behaviour against TheSlag. Behaviour? I never said anything remotely bad to him.

And just because I just recently joined the forums, it doesn't mean I haven'tbeen around here alot and read your conversations. How come I didn't join before? I tried, but I never received the mail from this site so I couldn't activate my account until I picked another mail that I have at another computer. Also, I didn't have any interrest in joining until about recently. I've been here since just before Spider-Man 3. I know it doesn't prove anything and I don't try to prove anything, but it's not like I just recently got to know this place if you think that. Anyway, I'll leave that. Let's move on.
So, you're telling me that all of my posts were stupid, huh? That i brought nothing? Mainly becuase from the way I see it, you've been seeing my posts since 2007, and you're thinking that my posts are all the same. If that's the case, then you really haven't seen my posts.


Pardon? I've already said that I'm not new to this site, so stop with that ******** for once. It's not me who take the boards too seriously. You can't take that he didn't like the action in the movies. It's YOU who take it personal. A discussion board is a place to discuss, not just to praise everything.
I don't praise everything, for christs sake! You know nothing about me, as i said in my last post. I can't take it? Seriously? I could care less what he or even you thinks about me. Also, if it's not you, then how come you're writing paragraph after paragraph about bringing good things to discussions? I mean, it must matter a whole lot to you if you care so much, but hey, I could be wrong.

Don't call me close minded in one sentence and "my friend" in another. Now THAT is incapitating. I know you already hate me by now so don't try that with me. Clearly you didn't understand what i meant. Also, no, I don't hate you, and as I said, I respect you. However, You've got some nerve to call me out though. You, like a small amount of other people, were probably holding it in for a while.

Bashers bring nothing to the discussion, agree to that point. I never said bashers do. I said, there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism. Even if it may come off as bashing from TheSlag's part, the main point was still that Raimi should take inspiration from GI: Joe. That's not mindless bashing, but still you yell "troll!" at him. As I said, I don't agree with him about the action, but it's still not OK to bash him because of that.
I wasn't bashing him. It's just that you guys complain way too much about these movies. Well, too much, anyway. Trust me, you guys weren't complaining in 2006.Though, you did say that you don't like mindless bashing, which is defenitely something we can agree on, but still, people act like these films are on batman Forever or Batman and Robin level. Well, some fans.

never mentioned Fresh Prince, I'm talking about the general bashing of people who happen to criticise some things about the movies. I think Spider-Man 2 is overrated and I don't like how they made Doc Ock in the movie, I hate Spider-Man 3, but I love Spider-Man 1 and still have faith in Raimi for a great Spider-Man 4. Just to point out that I'm not a hater, but I still respect what they bring to the discussion.
Some things? Half of the people who don't love these movies are bashing it with brute force. Well, some of the fans that hate these movies are bashing them.



You see, there are 2 types of fans I find annoying.

1. the ones that say they have to hype every superhero film because they are "comic book fans". They hype just to say they hype it without knowing anything of the comics or haven't read anything, and have low to no dedication for their favorite superhero.

2. The fans that endlessy complain about things.

[SpeterMan3]

Behaviour? I never said anything remotely bad to him.
Did you even say anything? All I saw was directed to Fresh Prince.

So, you're telling me that all of my posts were stupid, huh? That i brought nothing? Mainly becuase from the way I see it, you've been seeing my posts since 2007, and you're thinking that my posts are all the same. If that's the case, then you really haven't seen my posts.

I don't praise everything, for christs sake! You know nothing about me, as i said in my last post. I can't take it? Seriously? I could care less what he or even you thinks about me. Also, if it's not you, then how come you're writing paragraph after paragraph about bringing good things to discussions? I mean, it must matter a whole lot to you if you care so much, but hey, I could be wrong.

Clearly you didn't understand what i meant. Also, no, I don't hate you, and as I said, I respect you. However, You've got some nerve to call me out though. You, like a small amount of other people, were probably holding it in for a while.

I wasn't bashing him. It's just that you guys complain way too much about these movies. Well, too much, anyway. Trust me, you guys weren't complaining in 2006.Though, you did say that you don't like mindless bashing, which is defenitely something we can agree on, but still, people act like these films are on batman Forever or Batman and Robin level. Well, some fans.

Some things? Half of the people who don't love these movies are bashing it with brute force. Well, some of the fans that hate these movies are bashing them.



You see, there are 2 types of fans I find annoying.

1. the ones that say they have to hype every superhero film because they are "comic book fans". They hype just to say they hype it without knowing anything of the comics or haven't read anything, and have low to no dedication for their favorite superhero.

2. The fans that endlessy complain about things.
:up:

[venomvsspidey]

Behaviour? I never said anything remotely bad to him.

So, you're telling me that all of my posts were stupid, huh? That i brought nothing? Mainly becuase from the way I see it, you've been seeing my posts since 2007, and you're thinking that my posts are all the same. If that's the case, then you really haven't seen my posts.

I don't praise everything, for christs sake! You know nothing about me, as i said in my last post. I can't take it? Seriously? I could care less what he or even you thinks about me. Also, if it's not you, then how come you're writing paragraph after paragraph about bringing good things to discussions? I mean, it must matter a whole lot to you if you care so much, but hey, I could be wrong.

Clearly you didn't understand what i meant. Also, no, I don't hate you, and as I said, I respect you. However, You've got some nerve to call me out though. You, like a small amount of other people, were probably holding it in for a while.

I wasn't bashing him. It's just that you guys complain way too much about these movies. Well, too much, anyway. Trust me, you guys weren't complaining in 2006.Though, you did say that you don't like mindless bashing, which is defenitely something we can agree on, but still, people act like these films are on batman Forever or Batman and Robin level. Well, some fans.

Some things? Half of the people who don't love these movies are bashing it with brute force. Well, some of the fans that hate these movies are bashing them.



You see, there are 2 types of fans I find annoying.

1. the ones that say they have to hype every superhero film because they are "comic book fans". They hype just to say they hype it without knowing anything of the comics or haven't read anything, and have low to no dedication for their favorite superhero.

2. The fans that endlessy complain about things.

THATS WHATSUP. but BF is pretty good...

[venomvsspidey]

The action scenes were all great in this franchise! Nothing needs to be improved on. Should they be longer? Definately, but maybe not as long as the train fight in Spider-Man 2 but the Sandman and Venom fight scenes were way too short. At least have them longer than those fights. But then again, action isin't the most important thing in a movie.

And about people being positive, why not? It's alot better than being negative. All I see today is:
"The Spider-Man franchise sucked from the beginning!"
"Spider-Man 3 was fcking lame!"
"Spider-Man 3 sucked"
"Spider-Man is a crybaby!"
"Venom was screwed up completely! I mean, Topher Grace? WTF?!"
"Kirsten is FUGLY!"
"Reboot the franchise! All the Spider-Man films were terrible!"
"Recast everyone and get a new director! Sam Raimi has screwed up Spider-Man way too much!"

I could go on. For sure, I'm not saying that people shouldn't complain because they have the right to do it but most of them do it in such a immature way like "SPIDER-MAN 3 SUCKED RAIMI IS AN IDIOT!!!!" or just complain because it's fun. It's quite annoying.

However, I could agree that the whole "If you don't like it, why are you here?" get's a little old now. The only time I would use it is if some random douchebag comes out of nowhere who knows nothing about Spider-Man tells us how gay Spider-Man is or whatever.


:up:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Did you even say anything? All I saw was directed to Fresh Prince. Exactly. I don't remember saying anything to TheSlag.

[Spider-ManHero12]

THATS WHATSUP. but BF is pretty good... Meh, it was okay. Not a fan of the neon lights though, lol. :yay:

[venomvsspidey]

Meh, it was okay. Not a fan of the neon lights though, lol. :yay:

i agree. the lights were too outta place. but kilmer was a badass batman. he was just in too silly of a movie to begin with.

[Spider-ManHero12]

i agree. the lights were too outta place. but kilmer was a badass batman. he was just in too silly of a movie to begin with. Yeah, I agree. Keaton is still the best though.

[venomvsspidey]

Yeah, I agree. Keaton is still the best though.


gotta go half and half with thewhole keaton vs. bale. i like them as batman both equally. now, BACK TO THE SPIDER-MAN DISCUSSION!!

:sym::gg::spidey::otto::venom::bomb:

[shinlyle]

I've never taken much interest in the GI Joe franchise, but recently I accidently caught the last half of the movie in the theatre. When I arrived the joes were just beginning to chase a black jeep in their exo-skeletal armour and within five minutes I realised something: This is a better spider-man movie than the spider-man movies.

Snake-eyes style and precision put (movie) spidey's agility to shame, and -on an unrelated note- also made me excited about what we may see in a deadpool flick. The flash back scene between the two asian children involved more skill and realism than any combat scene performed by tobey or even his stunt men. The movie also featured more natural feeling humour and many science-fiction type elements while retaining a 'real world' setting.

As time goes by I'm realizing more and more, the only things raimi got right were the things he left the hell alone. The quality aspects of Raimis spider-man movies come directly from the source material. Imagine what greater quality we could have, if that already successful source material were in the hands of someone better suited to the franchise.



Are you serious?

Is this guy serious?!

Wow....just wow. You wish the Spider-Man films would hav ebeen mor elike the GI JOE movie. Yikes.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Everyone who is on here blasting the Spider-Man franchise is a hypocrite, as they definitely have the first two on DVD, and probably the third one as well. They went to see all three of them in the theaters, and, guess what, they'll go see the fourth one on opening night, as well.

[Spider-ManHero12]

gotta go half and half with thewhole keaton vs. bale. i like them as batman both equally. now, BACK TO THE SPIDER-MAN DISCUSSION!!

:sym::gg::spidey::otto::venom::bomb: Indeed. :spidey::up:

[Beanjuice]

I've never taken much interest in the GI Joe franchise, but recently I accidently caught the last half of the movie in the theatre. When I arrived the joes were just beginning to chase a black jeep in their exo-skeletal armour and within five minutes I realised something: This is a better spider-man movie than the spider-man movies.

Snake-eyes style and precision put (movie) spidey's agility to shame, and -on an unrelated note- also made me excited about what we may see in a deadpool flick. The flash back scene between the two asian children involved more skill and realism than any combat scene performed by tobey or even his stunt men. The movie also featured more natural feeling humour and many science-fiction type elements while retaining a 'real world' setting.

As time goes by I'm realizing more and more, the only things raimi got right were the things he left the hell alone. The quality aspects of Raimis spider-man movies come directly from the source material. Imagine what greater quality we could have, if that already successful source material were in the hands of someone better suited to the franchise.



I would actually have to agree. Im realizing more and more what you just stated. I like the Spiderman movies but, thats just because......

I like Spiderman :spidey:

i like them but i never really "Enjoyed" them. Because it doesnt feel anything like when i read a spiderman comic. Thats why enjoyed JOE. Because it was a well put together movie,but it still had that delightful cheesiness like the old show

[marvel001]

just let me say, don't stereotype me because of my icon before reading this, i change it every few months,
i was one that like all 3 spiderman movies. i also will admit, that these movies have flaws, and things that were "what was that?" moments. i honestly think a lot of you fan boys are hypocrites. pretty much everyone thought the first was pretty fair, for being an origin movie. when the second one came out, everyone one praised it, calling it the best superhero movie of its time, wanting raimi back to direct the 3rd. then the third one comes out, yes, some scenes were not needed,ex, the jazz/dance scene. so, spider-man 3, as most of you call it was a total mess, and stupid. most of you also want another director. thats the sad thing. out of the three, he "ruins" as you call it, just one of them, after all the praise you gave him for the first two. i think everyone needs to wait for the 4th movie to come out before they bash everyone in the film and on the set. then i will try to understand your pain. i honestly think the fans reaction from the third one will have an impact on the 4th. i also think raimi doing drag me to hell will somewhat help too, because horror films are one of his passions; he just might have gotten burnt out on the spider-man series, and needed to do something else before proceeding, hell, chirstopher nolan does it, and look at his movies. idk, i respect all of your opinions, but i just hate how many praised him and then hate him after one movie.

[Oscorp]

I wasn't bashing him. It's just that you guys complain way too much about these movies. Well, too much, anyway. Trust me, you guys weren't complaining in 2006.Though, you did say that you don't like mindless bashing, which is defenitely something we can agree on, but still, people act like these films are on batman Forever or Batman and Robin level. Well, some fans.

Ok just to clear things up again. I think I was pretty clear that I don't hate the movies (with the exception of Spider-Man 3). I love the first one and think Spider-Man 2 is an enjoyable actionmovie even though I find it to be abit overpraised. The franchise is solid for me, however, I think it could be better. Anyway, I haven't bashed the movies in any way, and I think Raimi can bring something really good to us in Spider-Man 4. I don't even agree to the topic and think the action scenes are at least above average. It was all this "oh he's a troll!" here and there that I complained about. So don't point me out as a hater, I just 'defended' him for his right to state his opinions, even though he criticised the movies and Raimi.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Ok just to clear things up again. I think I was pretty clear that I don't hate the movies (with the exception of Spider-Man 3). I love the first one and think Spider-Man 2 is an enjoyable actionmovie even though I find it to be abit overpraised. The franchise is solid for me, however, I think it could be better. Anyway, I haven't bashed the movies in any way, and I think Raimi can bring something really good to us in Spider-Man 4. I don't even agree to the topic and think the action scenes are at least above average. It was all this "oh he's a troll!" here and there that I complained about. So don't point me out as a hater, I just 'defended' him for his right to state his opinions, even though he criticised the movies and Raimi. Okay, then, I respect that to the fullest because you give reasosn that could be argued instead of just using terrible reasons, but the real problem I have is that you basically insult me in terms of the way I post. Also, I don't really recall bashing TheSlag in any way, but whatever.

[Oscorp]

Okay, then, I respect that to the fullest because you give reasosn that could be argued instead of just using terrible reasons, but the real problem I have is that you basically insult me in terms of the way I post. Also, I don't really recall bashing TheSlag in any way, but whatever.

Ok, then I say that I am sorry for insulting you and I hope we can move on instead. Though, I still stand intact that some people on here overuse the term "troll". But nevermind, I hope we're fine now. I can't explain my points more than this.

[DACMAN]

Oh yeah, and that car chase scene was better than any car chase scene in the spider-man trilogy... Surfing on a door/sheet of metal? He's not sonic the hedgehog.

Yeah, he's done that in the comics.

And the only thing I think Raimi could do MUCH MUCH better is quiping. Spidey doesn't have the humor he has ALWAYS had in the comics. With that said, I hope he sees these movies and tries to one up all of them.

[Oscorp]

Actually, one of my favourite scenes in the whole franchise is when he's chasing the burglar in the city. That segment really shows the agility and typical movement of how I imagine Spider-Man. It just screamed "Spider-Man!" to me. I hope Raimi will show more stuff like that in Spider-Man 4.

Also, I'd want to see Spidey kick some thugs butts like in the first movie. The way he fought them felt really Spider-Man-esque too. That's probably why I like the first movie the most, scenes like those really hit the nail of how I imagine Spider-Man to move and fight like.

It would have been cool if we were actually to see those fights in Spider-Man 3 that Peter showed in his photos for JJJ. I want to see Spidey fight regular thugs too and not only the superpower foes.

EDIT: Agree about the quipping. One of the main thing that's missed in this franchise.

[DACMAN]

Agreed.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Ok, then I say that I am sorry for insulting you and I hope we can move on instead. OKay, then, let's call a truce. :up:

[SpeterMan3]

We need a smiley waving a white flag.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Indeed. :woot:

[Leenie]

I haven't seen G.I. JOE yet (and I probably won't see it until it pops up on HBO or something).

I highly doubt that it's a better Spider-Man movie than the Spider-Man movies, but whatever. Maybe my opinion will change once I actually give G.I. Joe a chance ... ?

[spider-neil]

there are three aspects I think all fans can agree with in regards to spider-man movie

a) spidey can wisecrack more
spidey's MO is to completely make fun of the people he fights

b) the movie can concentrate on spidey a little
the movies are currently about peter who 'happens' to be spider-man, even when he is spidey sam is taking his mask off way too often

c) the movies don't show what spidey can ready do consistantly enough
spider sense - does the movie show enough of this?
strength 10 tons - - does the movie show enough of this?
agility - does the movie show enough of this?
wall crawling - does the movie show enough of this?
webbing constructs - does the movie show enough of this?

d) peter has genius level intelligence
does the movie really bring that across?

I think when annoyed fans complain that spidey hasn't TRULY been brought to the big screen these are the things that push their buttons most.
personally I'd be lying if I said I didn't want the above but by and large the essense, the spirt of the character is up on screen (especially in SM2) and that's good enough for me. when you think of the DROSS hollywood is churning out we can consider oursleves lucky rather than thinking ourselves cheated.

p.s. spidey should be NOTHING like g.i. joe, anyone who holds up g.i. joe as a movie for inspiration needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

[Oscorp]

The best post in this thread so far spider-neil! Not like this thread is full of quality anyway, but you summed up what many of us fans think. :up:

[SpideyTheBest]

Agreed. I want Spider-Man 4 to live up to it's name.

[DACMAN]

there are three aspects I think all fans can agree with in regards to spider-man movie

a) spidey can wisecrack more
spidey's MO is to completely make fun of the people he fights

b) the movie can concentrate on spidey a little
the movies are currently about peter who 'happens' to be spider-man, even when he is spidey sam is taking his mask off way too often

c) the movies don't show what spidey can ready do consistantly enough
spider sense - does the movie show enough of this?
strength 10 tons - - does the movie show enough of this?
agility - does the movie show enough of this?
wall crawling - does the movie show enough of this?
webbing constructs - does the movie show enough of this?

d) peter has genius level intelligence
does the movie really bring that across?

I think when annoyed fans complain that spidey hasn't TRULY been brought to the big screen these are the things that push their buttons most.
personally I'd be lying if I said I didn't want the above but by and large the essense, the spirt of the character is up on screen (especially in SM2) and that's good enough for me. when you think of the DROSS hollywood is churning out we can consider oursleves lucky rather than thinking ourselves cheated.

p.s. spidey should be NOTHING like g.i. joe, anyone who holds up g.i. joe as a movie for inspiration needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

A)Just look at my sig. He NEEDS to quip more.

B)The comics have always been about Peter. But I do agree that he needs to keep the mask on though.

C)I think it shows his strength (HE STOPPED A TRAIN!) We've seen him wall crawl. But they certainly don't show his spider-sense enough, and my favorite thing about Spidey is his agility so I could always do with more of that.:up:

D)Yes. I think it does. He seems gifted in the first. But in the second one he ended up knowing more about Doc Ock's experiment than he did! And he said he spent half his life preparing for it. And they showed it a few times in the third one. I think they hit home pretty hard that he is freaking smart.

[spider-neil]

A)Just look at my sig. He NEEDS to quip more.

B)The comics have always been about Peter. But I do agree that he needs to keep the mask on though.

C)I think it shows his strength (HE STOPPED A TRAIN!) We've seen him wall crawl. But they certainly don't show his spider-sense enough, and my favorite thing about Spidey is his agility so I could always do with more of that.:up:

D)Yes. I think it does. He seems gifted in the first. But in the second one he ended up knowing more about Doc Ock's experiment than he did! And he said he spent half his life preparing for it. And they showed it a few times in the third one. I think they hit home pretty hard that he is freaking smart.


I don't have a problem with the thibgs I listed I'm saying most fans do. I've enjoyed all three movies (although I was disappointed with the third one) and they was due to over ambition on the part of the director I'm certainly not going to sit there and take absolute nonsense like someone saying spidey should emulate a train wreak like g.i. joe. J.I. JOE!!! yeah becuase g.i. joe is SOOOO much like the cartoon...

[Joker]

C)I think it shows his strength (HE STOPPED A TRAIN!)

Spider-Man 2 was the best for showing his strength. He also held up a collapsing giant wall from Ock's lair to stop it from crushing MJ.

D)Yes. I think it does. He seems gifted in the first. But in the second one he ended up knowing more about Doc Ock's experiment than he did! And he said he spent half his life preparing for it.

Not really. Peter only asked Otto if he was sure he could stabilize the fusion reaction. That's all. He didn't display any knowledge that Otto didn't already know. He had to ask Ock in the end how to stop it.

[SpeterMan3]

there are three aspects I think all fans can agree with in regards to spider-man movie

a) spidey can wisecrack more
spidey's MO is to completely make fun of the people he fights

b) the movie can concentrate on spidey a little
the movies are currently about peter who 'happens' to be spider-man, even when he is spidey sam is taking his mask off way too often

c) the movies don't show what spidey can ready do consistantly enough
spider sense - does the movie show enough of this?
strength 10 tons - - does the movie show enough of this?
agility - does the movie show enough of this?
wall crawling - does the movie show enough of this?
webbing constructs - does the movie show enough of this?

d) peter has genius level intelligence
does the movie really bring that across?

I think when annoyed fans complain that spidey hasn't TRULY been brought to the big screen these are the things that push their buttons most.
personally I'd be lying if I said I didn't want the above but by and large the essense, the spirt of the character is up on screen (especially in SM2) and that's good enough for me. when you think of the DROSS hollywood is churning out we can consider oursleves lucky rather than thinking ourselves cheated.

p.s. spidey should be NOTHING like g.i. joe, anyone who holds up g.i. joe as a movie for inspiration needs to take a long hard look at themselves.
:up:


And Joker's right.

[venomvsspidey]

a) spidey can wisecrack more
spidey's MO is to completely make fun of the people he fights

:up:


b) the movie can concentrate on spidey a little
the movies are currently about peter who 'happens' to be spider-man, even when he is spidey sam is taking his mask off way too often


comics do the same

c) the movies don't show what spidey can ready do consistantly enough
spider sense - does the movie show enough of this?
strength 10 tons - - does the movie show enough of this?
agility - does the movie show enough of this?
wall crawling - does the movie show enough of this?
webbing constructs - does the movie show enough of this?


A)He uses it all the time in these movies. There's just no need to do that slow motion "Hey look his spider-sense is going off" moment, because then they would have to do that every second in every action scene. It's established, they were hoping audiences would be intelligent to not need everything spelled out. Those poor filmmakers with their assumptions.

B) Spider-Man 2. the end battle of spider-man 3. nuff said.


d) peter has genius level intelligence
does the movie really bring that across?


Diffusion. it's all about sound waves and when in blah blah blah. yes, pete's a freaking genuis, and the films definately show this.


I think when annoyed fans complain that spidey hasn't TRULY been brought to the big screen these are the things that push their buttons most.
p.s. spidey should be NOTHING like g.i. joe, anyone who holds up g.i. joe as a movie for inspiration needs to take a long hard look at themselves.[/quote]

sometimes i think it's kinda ok that he doesent quip. like, how out of place would it have to be for him to have been joking around in the climatic final battles of all three films?

*Goblin* - Me & MJ....ARE GONNA HAVE ONE HELLVA TIME!!
*Pete* - Come On Now, why cant i be the party crasher? (or something corny like that)

see? might as well have deadpool goofing off from XMO:W in the finale.

but, i havent seen G.I. Joe, and i have seen what they did to cobra. and i agree, spider-man needs to be nothing like g.i.

[DACMAN]

*Goblin* - Me & MJ....ARE GONNA HAVE ONE HELLVA TIME!!
*Pete* - Come On Now, why cant i be the party crasher? (or something corny like that)

see? might as well have deadpool goofing off from XMO:W in the finale.



Well the reason that quip doesn't work is because it sucks. Besides, that was one scene that he was suppose to be pissed. There were plenty of other scenes it would have worked.

He says "that's a cute outfit, did your husband give it to you?" We needed more of that. What he should have done right away after meeting the GG was make fun of his costume. It's pretty obvious they've slacked when it comes to making Spidey funny.

[DACMAN]

Spider-Man 2 was the best for showing his strength. He also held up a collapsing giant wall from Ock's lair to stop it from crushing MJ.



Not really. Peter only asked Otto if he was sure he could stabilize the fusion reaction. That's all. He didn't display any knowledge that Otto didn't already know. He had to ask Ock in the end how to stop it.

You haven't seen Spider-Man 2.1 have you? He actually figures out the formula correctly when Ock couldn't while in class.

And besides Marvel doesn't even have him at genius level, only gifted.

[Spider-Vader]

I want Spidey to be way more agile in the next movie, he should be like a ninja. Also wisecracks are a must.

But that's about all that should be taken from G.I. Joe.

[venomvsspidey]

Well the reason that quip doesn't work is because it sucks. Besides, that was one scene that he was suppose to be pissed. There were plenty of other scenes it would have worked.

He says "that's a cute outfit, did your husband give it to you?" We needed more of that. What he should have done right away after meeting the GG was make fun of his costume. It's pretty obvious they've slacked when it comes to making Spidey funny.


i know it sucks. it came off the top of my head. besides, when has spidey's humor ever been, well..top-notch? i mean, i think he NEEDS to do it when fighting burglars / petty criminals and such.

[DACMAN]

I want Spidey to be way more agile in the next movie, he should be like a ninja. Also wisecracks are a must.

But that's about all that should be taken from G.I. Joe.

I've never seen a ninja do this stuff. Watch at 00:58 and tell me you think that's something you think a ninja could do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ1hUJP-1EE

[Anubis]

Wouldn't a ninja be a major down grade to what Spidey can do? I mean Jesus.

[DACMAN]

Right. That's my point. Peopl are just high off GI Joe. The funny thing is I don't even think Snake Eyes did anything Spidey couldn't.

[Anubis]

That movie sucked balls, how could anybody be high off it? I mean, unless you can suddenly get high off poop fumes.

[Jick09]

Though, I still stand intact that some people on here overuse the term "troll".
Aaaand the facepalm icon. Way overused.

[DACMAN]

Seriously.

[venomvsspidey]

Seriously.


is not. TROLL.


JUST KIDDING!! :woot::woot::woot: :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

[Joker]

You haven't seen Spider-Man 2.1 have you? He actually figures out the formula correctly when Ock couldn't while in class.

And besides Marvel doesn't even have him at genius level, only gifted.

Are you saying he figured out the reaction would be unstable? No wonder Raimi cut that out of the original cut then, because if Peter knew the reaction was unstable then he's an even bigger idiot for letting Ock go thru with it in the first place.

That's like knowing a bomb will go off, but letting someone light the fuse anyway.

[DACMAN]

Yeah, he actually writes "boom" on the page after his equation.

[spider-neil]

spidey quips:
okay here's an example

SM3 - spidey v sandman round one
spidey enters armoured truck through roof

sandman - leave. now.
spidey - 'I guess you haven't heard I'm the sheriff in town'

sandman throws punch, misses, spidey punches sandman in the gut and has his fist stuck

spidey - 'uh-oh'

------

SM3 - spidey v sandman round one - my take

spidey enters armoured truck through roof

sandman - 'SPIDER-MAN!'
spidey - where? where?! and me without my autograph book
sandman - leave. now. you're not wanted here.
spidey - if I only went where I was wanted me I'd never go anywhere

sandman throws punch, misses, spidey punches sandman in the gut and has his fist stuck

spidey - well, this is embarrassing...

sandman knocks spidey out of the truck

spidey is surfing on a car door

spidey - 'everybody was surfing, surfing USA!!!'

spidey kicks away sandman's legs 'litterally'

spidey - 'sandy you haven't got a leg to stand on'

truck crashes leaving spidey shaken, sandman has escaped

spidey - 'and there's more where THAT came from!!'

it would slow down the pace a 'little' but you would be including an important part of spidey's character.

[SpideyTheBest]

spidey quips:
okay here's an example

SM3 - spidey v sandman round one
spidey enters armoured truck through roof

sandman - leave. now.
spidey - 'I guess you haven't heard I'm the sheriff in town'

sandman throws punch, misses, spidey punches sandman in the gut and has his fist stuck

spidey - 'uh-oh'

------

SM3 - spidey v sandman round one - my take

spidey enters armoured truck through roof

sandman - 'SPIDER-MAN!'
spidey - where? where?! and me without my autograph book
sandman - leave. now. you're not wanted here.
spidey - if I only went where I was wanted me I'd never go anywhere

sandman throws punch, misses, spidey punches sandman in the gut and has his fist stuck

spidey - well, this is embarrassing...

sandman knocks spidey out of the truck

spidey is surfing on a car door

spidey - 'everybody was surfing, surfing USA!!!'

spidey kicks away sandman's legs 'litterally'

spidey - 'sandy you haven't got a leg to stand on'

truck crashes leaving spidey shaken, sandman has escaped

spidey - 'and there's more where THAT came from!!'

it would slow down the pace a 'little' but you would be including an important part of spidey's character.

:up:

Spidey had, I don't know, 4 one-liners in the whole trilogy and they weren't that funny either, especially the "It's you who is out Gobby, out of your mind". I mean, he has more one-liners than that in one single cartoon episode.

Come on! Was it really so hard to make Spidey funny in these films?

[TheSlag]

One quick point.

TheSlag vs. TheSlang... DEMAND the original :woot:

The opinions and veiws expressed in this thread in no way represtent the views or opinions of "TheSlag".


We now return you to your normally scheduled flame-fest...errr.. thread. :cwink:

[JerseyJoker]

If you are a fan of the GI Joe or Transformers films...i just hope to god you are not a fan of Spider-Man, i would feel embarassed to be known in the same fan base as people that enjoy that trash.

[Fresh Prince]

I'am a fan of Transformers movies and i'm produ of it dammit! And also Spiderman. So deal with it Jersey Joker!

[DACMAN]

:up:

Spidey had, I don't know, 4 one-liners in the whole trilogy and they weren't that funny either, especially the "It's you who is out Gobby, out of your mind". I mean, he has more one-liners than that in one single cartoon episode.

Come on! Was it really so hard to make Spidey funny in these films?

3:55-Now THAT is pure Spidey. This was the only time I felt like "ok now that's Spidey."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfIL1NXxoxE&feature=related


And then a little in the third when Spidey was given the key to the city. He came off as Spidey then too. When he was giving people high fives and stuff.

[Joker]

Yeah, he actually writes "boom" on the page after his equation.

So glad that was left out of the original cut then. 2.1 Peter is the ultimate moron, sitting back and allowing Octavius to do such a dangerous experiment, and Peter himself standing right there in a room full of civilians with a smile on his face as if a great experiment is about to happen!!!

[Oscorp]

One quick point.

TheSlag vs. TheSlang... DEMAND the original :woot:

The opinions and veiws expressed in this thread in no way represtent the views or opinions of "TheSlag".


We now return you to your normally scheduled flame-fest...errr.. thread. :cwink:

Dammit, I got the name wrong! Did you HAVE to have such similar names? :/

[DACMAN]

So glad that was left out of the original cut then. 2.1 Peter is the ultimate moron, sitting back and allowing Octavius to do such a dangerous experiment, and Peter himself standing right there in a room full of civilians with a smile on his face as if a great experiment is about to happen!!!

It came off like he was second guessing himself because a guy that dedicated his life for this should now better. He was there for the experiment and saved everyone when it turned out bad like he thought it might. He trusted Ock, I didn't think it was a big deal. Watch it and then give your opinion. I might not be doing it justice. I thought it added some more depth to the characters and the discussion of intelligence.

Oh, he also draws a picture of him as Spidey that looks just like the old Romita stuff on the same page as the "boom". I thought it was a good scene.

[Solidus]

So glad that was left out of the original cut then. 2.1 Peter is the ultimate moron, sitting back and allowing Octavius to do such a dangerous experiment, and Peter himself standing right there in a room full of civilians with a smile on his face as if a great experiment is about to happen!!!

Agreed, for the most part I think 2.1 was a waste of time. The few added action shots were fine, but I too prefer the theatrical cut. Just watched it on Blu-Ray, still a great film.

Also love the avvy Joker, as always you do have some of the coolest. :up:

[DACMAN]

The added action scenes were great! And the added scene of Mary Jane and her friend talking about love made her seem like less of a fickle slut and more so that she just loved Peter unlike anyone else.

[storyteller]

Should the up the ante on the spiderman action that isn't just webslinging. Yes!
I would prefer that they actually get a gymnast to do the stunts. Not everything needs to be extreme.

Also lets keep in mind that movies should try to out do the previous. How many first movie have we seen that inspired a later movie? Does that mean the first movie was worse simply because it didnt exceed a later movie?

I have never seen any movie try to do what spiderman did in terms of movement. So I see it as natural that a newer movie would try to exceed that. That being said. SPIDERMAN 4 up the ante.

[topdog1]

That movie sucked balls, how could anybody be high off it? I mean, unless you can suddenly get high off poop fumes.

Exactly. GI Joe is nothing but a collection of CG stupidity from start to finish. I caught the whole thing (not just the last half) and I'm sorry I wasted my time. The plot is as bad as you would expect but the action set pieces are too loud and ridiculous to enjoy. I was snickering often at the absurdity. GI Joe is the quintessential roll your eyes movie. If Spider-Man ever went this route, I'd shoot myself.

Thank God GI Joe is scuffling at the box office so Sony/Marvel won't be tempted to listen to preposterous ideas like "make Spidey like GI Joe."

[spider-neil]

the thing about g.i. joe is the CG is some of the worst ever. isn't the whole idea of special effects is you're supposed wonder if it's real or not? ha ha I thought I was watching final fantasy meets tekken.

[Reikowolf]

Oh my.

Both Spider-Man 3 and G.I. Joe: ROC were not very good movies IMO.

Yet, I considered both very 'fun'

*in relation to the first post*

IMO what made GI Joe work was the opposite of your argument. The fact that they just grabbed that ball of ridiculousness and ran with it... sprinting.

The movie became so ridiculous that you could not help but just enjoy it for its camp value.

As for its success.

Joe cost $175M to make.

It opened with aprx. $55M
This past weekend (week2) it made aprx. $23M

It doesn't have the momentum the studio had hoped for. Speaking $, Spider-Man 3 is the better film. I personally enjoyed Joe a lot, but I'm not going to praise it either.

We'll see how long this 'action figure' ball keeps rolling.

Tranformers
GI Joe
LEGO (seriously)
Barbie???

[Spider-Vader]

There's going to be a Lego movie? Please tell me it will be animated.

[DACrowe]

I've never taken much interest in the GI Joe franchise, but recently I accidently caught the last half of the movie in the theatre. When I arrived the joes were just beginning to chase a black jeep in their exo-skeletal armour and within five minutes I realised something: This is a better spider-man movie than the spider-man movies.

Snake-eyes style and precision put (movie) spidey's agility to shame, and -on an unrelated note- also made me excited about what we may see in a deadpool flick. The flash back scene between the two asian children involved more skill and realism than any combat scene performed by tobey or even his stunt men. The movie also featured more natural feeling humour and many science-fiction type elements while retaining a 'real world' setting.

As time goes by I'm realizing more and more, the only things raimi got right were the things he left the hell alone. The quality aspects of Raimis spider-man movies come directly from the source material. Imagine what greater quality we could have, if that already successful source material were in the hands of someone better suited to the franchise.


In a late response. Wow.

I have not seen GI Joe and may eventually see it soon, but the movie, even if it is entertaining, reeks of B-movie absurdity. I may be crazy but I expect more out of a Sam Raimi movie than a Stephen Sommers one. I've seen in ads the scquence of which you speak, and in all honesty the CGI looked horrendous.

I can say, pretty safely, that Spider-Man 1, 2 and probably even 3 are better films than anything Stephen Sommers ever directed. And I didn't realize after sequences like the train fight and bank fight in SM2 and the first Harry fight and Sandman fights in SM3 that the action quotent of these movies was under question.

Ah well.

[DACrowe]

Yeah I cannot get into Spiderman 1-3 at all. Always thought it did suck from the beginning. And overrated.

says a guy who wants Michael "I like explosions" Bay to make a Spidey movie? :wow:

[DACrowe]

spidey quips:
okay here's an example

SM3 - spidey v sandman round one
spidey enters armoured truck through roof

sandman - leave. now.
spidey - 'I guess you haven't heard I'm the sheriff in town'

sandman throws punch, misses, spidey punches sandman in the gut and has his fist stuck

spidey - 'uh-oh'

------

SM3 - spidey v sandman round one - my take

spidey enters armoured truck through roof

sandman - 'SPIDER-MAN!'
spidey - where? where?! and me without my autograph book
sandman - leave. now. you're not wanted here.
spidey - if I only went where I was wanted me I'd never go anywhere

sandman throws punch, misses, spidey punches sandman in the gut and has his fist stuck

spidey - well, this is embarrassing...

sandman knocks spidey out of the truck

spidey is surfing on a car door

spidey - 'everybody was surfing, surfing USA!!!'

spidey kicks away sandman's legs 'litterally'

spidey - 'sandy you haven't got a leg to stand on'

truck crashes leaving spidey shaken, sandman has escaped

spidey - 'and there's more where THAT came from!!'

it would slow down the pace a 'little' but you would be including an important part of spidey's character.

You see I agree that there should be more one-liners. Maybe one here and there. But this kind of showcases why it should be kept low. If Spidey was a chatterbox like this in a movie, it would just be cheesy. A large number of puns on film just takes away from the visceral imagery of cinema and trivializes what Raimi wants to be epic and the fight scene you highlighted is one such example. I think there should be more, but that fight actually worked well with just one pun at the beginning of the fight and that's it. What works on the page, does not necessarily work on screen.

[KangConquers]

GI Joe was a stinky pile of crap.

[lordofthenerds]

GI Joe Sucked: the reason why this thread is lame

[SpeterMan3]

You see I agree that there should be more one-liners. Maybe one here and there. But this kind of showcases why it should be kept low. If Spidey was a chatterbox like this in a movie, it would just be cheesy. A large number of puns on film just takes away from the visceral imagery of cinema and trivializes what Raimi wants to be epic and the fight scene you highlighted is one such example. I think there should be more, but that fight actually worked well with just one pun at the beginning of the fight and that's it. What works on the page, does not necessarily work on screen.
I agree.

[Grievous]

The only thing I have against Raimi is how he treated my dream to see my favorite villian on the big screen. The rest however I think he has done a good job on.

[HHHDan]

...Snake-eyes style and precision put (movie) spidey's agility to shame...


Dude: You definitely were high when you saw G.I. Joe! (Don’t get me wrong: I liked G.I. Joe, but…) The only thing that movie proved is that Ray Park is so out-dated: He does nothing in this movie compared to what we are seeing in other action movies; even Spidey 3 had more flying around then Snake-Eye.

Now I know that you were impressed but I think you give the reason for it in your own statement when you say that you only saw the 2nd half: So, naturally, you believe you only saw half of what Snake-Eyes does in it, but the truth is that that was IT!. Snake-Eyes does nothing else impressive in the first half of the movie and his “final battle” with Storm Shadow was nothing to write home about (The two kids in the flashback sequence had a more impressing fight then that one!)

[Spider-ManHero12]

The only thing I have against Raimi is how he treated my dream to see my favorite villian on the big screen. The rest however I think he has done a good job on. Well, as much as I adore Venom, I really think that he isn't the most interesting in the Spidey universe. Hell, I still find Green Goblin the most interesting. Now, this is coming from a huge Venom fan (me).

[zeptron]

spidey quips:
okay here's an example

SM3 - spidey v sandman round one
spidey enters armoured truck through roof

sandman - leave. now.
spidey - 'I guess you haven't heard I'm the sheriff in town'

sandman throws punch, misses, spidey punches sandman in the gut and has his fist stuck

spidey - 'uh-oh'

------

SM3 - spidey v sandman round one - my take

spidey enters armoured truck through roof

sandman - 'SPIDER-MAN!'
spidey - where? where?! and me without my autograph book
sandman - leave. now. you're not wanted here.
spidey - if I only went where I was wanted me I'd never go anywhere

sandman throws punch, misses, spidey punches sandman in the gut and has his fist stuck

spidey - well, this is embarrassing...

sandman knocks spidey out of the truck

spidey is surfing on a car door

spidey - 'everybody was surfing, surfing USA!!!'

spidey kicks away sandman's legs 'litterally'

spidey - 'sandy you haven't got a leg to stand on'

truck crashes leaving spidey shaken, sandman has escaped

spidey - 'and there's more where THAT came from!!'

it would slow down the pace a 'little' but you would be including an important part of spidey's character.


This is one thing I wish Raimi would do. I mean the video games based off the movies have one liners, so why can't the actually movies?

I don't think every fight scene needs them though. IMO if Spidey shouted out one-liners during these fights it would have spoiled the mood for me.

The final battle with GG
The fight with Doc Ock on the train and the final battle
Black Spidey vs Sandman

[SpideyTheBest]

This is one thing I wish Raimi would do. I mean the video games based off the movies have one liners, so why can't the actually movies?

I don't think every fight scene needs them though. IMO if Spidey shouted out one-liners during these fights it would have spoiled the mood for me.

The final battle with GG
The fight with Doc Ock on the train and the final battle
Black Spidey vs Sandman

Of course not in every fight, but at least 3-5 one-liners when he first encounter his villains, or maybe 1-2 when the battles might not be so serious. So the audience will understand that he has a sense of humour.

[spider-neil]

quips during the train fight would have ruined it.

usually there are three fights, one for each arc
start of the story - introduction battle
middle of the story - intermediate battle
end of the story - final battle

green goblin -
macey parade
burning building
cemetery

doc ock -
bank
clock tower/train
warehouse

the quips should lessen with each battle as the battles become more serious

start of the story - introduction battle - lots of quips
middle of the story - intermediate battle - some quips
end of the story - final battle - NO quips

[LightningFlash]

I disagree with everything you have said. 110% disagree, actually.

:whatever:

[weezerspider]

GI Joe is possibly the worst movie I've ever seen. How old are you?

[Spider-ManHero12]

:whatever: Wow, it's really eating you up inside that I like these movies, huh? You complain so much about these movies, I'm starting to think you do it with everyday things. "Look at this hot dog! one side looks darker than the other! The bun is too small! Oh, what's this? The hot dog isn't closed in inside the bun as well as it should be!"

Seriously, though, why do you bash people who like these movies so much? Look, let's not argue.

[Venom 1988]

Wow, it's really eating you up inside that I like these movies, huh? You complain so much about these movies, I'm starting to think you do it with everyday things. "Look at this hot dog! one side looks darker than the other! The bun is too small! Oh, what's this? The hot dog isn't closed in inside the bun as well as it should be!"

Seriously, though, why do you bash people who like these movies so much? Look, let's not argue.

I think its more of not what you said but how you said it that made him go :whatever:

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ True, and I will admit, my post did seem a little close minded and childish. Though, I thought he was rolling his eyes because I like the movies.

[DACrowe]

Well I saw GI Joe finally today.

I'm thankful Raimi DID NOT GO THIS DIRECTION.

GI Joe was typical mediocre summer movie fluff. Sure it is better than TF2 (I've only seen part of it online, but after 20 minutes I had to turn it off), but that doesn't mean it is a good movie.

It was entertaining, I will admit. I think it is slightly better than Van Helsing (wasted opportunity of a cool concept) and Mummy 2, the previous Sommers movies. It really only had a few good things going about it.

1) Sienna Miller. I always liked her in Layer Cake and Cassanova and what little she had in Stardust. I never follow gossip so I don't care who she sleeps with. Accent or no accent, she gave a solid performance. Unlike any other actor, other than #2, she made a character entertaining and charming, as opposed to flat and stilted. She def. has the makings of a movie star where her charisma (and her sexiness) can lift drivel into something engaging.

2) The guy who played Storm Shadow. Yeah Snake Eyes is really cool looking and a silent ninja. But he is sure a dull character to watch in cinema. This actor is the only other to put some personality into the movie and made his rivalry with Snake Eyes kind of entertaining.

3) Just the eye canday. By that I mean the fights and explosions and just the visceral image of Sienna Miller in tight black with dark hair and the girl who played Scarlett filling out her costume....very nicely--also tight black, but with red hair.

Otherwise the movie was mainly noise. There is no coherent storyline. It just rushes from set piece to set piece. It is very disjointed. Quaid looks bored as he picks up his paycheck and Tatum cannot act with a spit. The dialogue, attempting to be humorous, is wooden and dull. The second half of the movie beginning Paris picks up and feels like a live-action cartoon (whether you think that is a good or bad thing is up to you) and becomes pretty entertaining until the credits roll. But there is no passion or suspense to any of the proceedings,, even the Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow showdown just looks cool, it isn't exciting. And the first half of the movie felt like Team America without the delicious crude humor and graphic puppet sex. Team America if Team America wasn't in on the joke.

I mean it entertained me, but I won't see it again. Despite some cool visuals like the Doctor/Commander (who is never explained why he is so evil), etc. it is just eye candy and fluff. T&A and glossy action. The CGI is actually far worse than anything in SM movies or for that matter any big budget actioner since Van Helsing. I cannot imagine why it would be preferred. It makes SM3 look much better, nevermind SM1 and SM2.

While it isn't terrible, I don't see the fun escapism everyone else does.

And people say SM3 was cheesy...

[UnionJack]

lol GI: Joe was a painfully poor film.

The cgi looked like Aardman did it with claymation.

The acting was almost as wooden as Twilight .. the 30mins I saw before I walked out of the cinema ... and my date.

The utterly awful Waynes bro hamming up his best Will Smith circa 1993 comedy pretty much sleazing over the girl till she gives in.

Generic action scenes that rip off almost every film known to man ... not boy hence the big amount of money.

Yes Spidey film sucked compared to the others but I'd take that over Joe anyday.

Oh as for Transformers 2, get rid of Sam's retarded parents, the twins and the little Italian bot and it was an alright film.

[LightningFlash]

Edit: Nvm.

[3dman27]

did you know the scen with the eiffel tower was a nod to the original gi joe miniseres/movie theM.A.S.S device? in it cobra stealsthe tower via teleportation and holds its occupants hostage while the new movie destroys it

[StylishHokie21]

Well I saw GI Joe finally today.

I'm thankful Raimi DID NOT GO THIS DIRECTION.

GI Joe was typical mediocre summer movie fluff. Sure it is better than TF2 (I've only seen part of it online, but after 20 minutes I had to turn it off), but that doesn't mean it is a good movie.

It was entertaining, I will admit. I think it is slightly better than Van Helsing (wasted opportunity of a cool concept) and Mummy 2, the previous Sommers movies. It really only had a few good things going about it.

1) Sienna Miller. I always liked her in Layer Cake and Cassanova and what little she had in Stardust. I never follow gossip so I don't care who she sleeps with. Accent or no accent, she gave a solid performance. Unlike any other actor, other than #2, she made a character entertaining and charming, as opposed to flat and stilted. She def. has the makings of a movie star where her charisma (and her sexiness) can lift drivel into something engaging.

2) The guy who played Storm Shadow. Yeah Snake Eyes is really cool looking and a silent ninja. But he is sure a dull character to watch in cinema. This actor is the only other to put some personality into the movie and made his rivalry with Snake Eyes kind of entertaining.

3) Just the eye canday. By that I mean the fights and explosions and just the visceral image of Sienna Miller in tight black with dark hair and the girl who played Scarlett filling out her costume....very nicely--also tight black, but with red hair.

Otherwise the movie was mainly noise. There is no coherent storyline. It just rushes from set piece to set piece. It is very disjointed. Quaid looks bored as he picks up his paycheck and Tatum cannot act with a spit. The dialogue, attempting to be humorous, is wooden and dull. The second half of the movie beginning Paris picks up and feels like a live-action cartoon (whether you think that is a good or bad thing is up to you) and becomes pretty entertaining until the credits roll. But there is no passion or suspense to any of the proceedings,, even the Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow showdown just looks cool, it isn't exciting. And the first half of the movie felt like Team America without the delicious crude humor and graphic puppet sex. Team America if Team America wasn't in on the joke.

I mean it entertained me, but I won't see it again. Despite some cool visuals like the Doctor/Commander (who is never explained why he is so evil), etc. it is just eye candy and fluff. T&A and glossy action. The CGI is actually far worse than anything in SM movies or for that matter any big budget actioner since Van Helsing. I cannot imagine why it would be preferred. It makes SM3 look much better, nevermind SM1 and SM2.

While it isn't terrible, I don't see the fun escapism everyone else does.

And people say SM3 was cheesy...

Agreed. Especially with the last sentence.

[3dman27]

maybe its time to transfer this thread to the GI JOEforum?

[LightningFlash]

And people say SM3 was cheesy...

There is a huge difference.

G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra has a distinct right to be cheesy. Why? Because the cartoons, the PSAs, they were all cheesy.

Spider-Man 3 was a failure of epic cheesiness, why? Because after the supposedly "great" movie that Spider-Man 2 was, Raimi took a 180 and created a cluster****. And plus, Raimi had said that S-M 3 would be dark, and it turned out to only be campy.

If you can't tell the difference between trying not to be cheesy and meaning to be cheesy, then don't bother telling your views.

[shinlyle]

There is a huge difference.

G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra has a distinct right to be cheesy. Why? Because the cartoons, the PSAs, they were all cheesy.

Spider-Man 3 was a failure of epic cheesiness, why? Because after the supposedly "great" movie that Spider-Man 2 was, Raimi took a 180 and created a cluster****. And plus, Raimi had said that S-M 3 would be dark, and it turned out to only be campy.

If you can't tell the difference between trying not to be cheesy and meaning to be cheesy, then don't bother telling your views.

So....did GIJOE have a right to suck as hard as it did? I know you and a slew of others in the highly vocal minority think that S-M3 sucked (Heavens knows there's enoug threads to point that out), but comparing GIJOE to SM3 is like comparing apples to crappy-campy-military-combat-summer-fluff-movies.

Was SM3 anywhere NEAR the masterpiece that SM2 was? Nope. Not even close. Was it an uber crap-fest? Nope. It's hard to follow up a great movie with an okay movie, and expect people to like it just as much. Just wait until the sequel to the Dark Knight! People will be calling for Nolan's head on a platter, saying that the first two films sucked, all because Nolan couldn't capture lightning in a bottle again.

Fans are fickle.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Fans are fickle. Defentiely! It's an endless cycle.

[venomvsspidey]

So....did GIJOE have a right to suck as hard as it did? I know you and a slew of others in the highly vocal minority think that S-M3 sucked (Heavens knows there's enoug threads to point that out), but comparing GIJOE to SM3 is like comparing apples to crappy-campy-military-combat-summer-fluff-movies.

Was SM3 anywhere NEAR the masterpiece that SM2 was? Nope. Not even close. Was it an uber crap-fest? Nope. It's hard to follow up a great movie with an okay movie, and expect people to like it just as much. Just wait until the sequel to the Dark Knight! People will be calling for Nolan's head on a platter, saying that the first two films sucked, all because Nolan couldn't capture lightning in a bottle again.

Fans are fickle.

you speaketh the truth

[LightningFlash]

So....did GIJOE have a right to suck as hard as it did? I know you and a slew of others in the highly vocal minority think that S-M3 sucked (Heavens knows there's enoug threads to point that out), but comparing GIJOE to SM3 is like comparing apples to crappy-campy-military-combat-summer-fluff-movies.

Was SM3 anywhere NEAR the masterpiece that SM2 was? Nope. Not even close. Was it an uber crap-fest? Nope. It's hard to follow up a great movie with an okay movie, and expect people to like it just as much. Just wait until the sequel to the Dark Knight! People will be calling for Nolan's head on a platter, saying that the first two films sucked, all because Nolan couldn't capture lightning in a bottle again.

Fans are fickle.

Well, to a point, yes...G.I. Joe had a right to be cheesy...because that's what Sommers' main point was, just a fun action flick, and it was. You can't really have a serious, thought-provoking movie with characters like Heavy Duty or Zartan(even after watching the gay triangle between Cobra, Destro and Zartan on YouTube..."Two Cobra Commanders?? What the ****??") or even a doctor named DOCTOR MINDBENDER...

BUT....you said fans are fickle; no, fans are intelligent beings, or at least the minorities are...

For Sam Raimi to makes two movies that were okay, and then make a devastating third that was rock-bottom crappiness(which, how dare he say he cares about the story, and HE wrote the third film, even if Arad stuck his hairy nose into the film's storyline, if Raimi "loved" the character, he would've made it enjoyable, he would've made the villains worthy to watch), and he did not.

And for Nolan, TDK is THE best superhero movie out there...there's no way Nolan can beat it; if he tries and it succeeds, then awesome...if he knows he can't, then at least make a movie sub-par with Batman Begins. He shouldn't have to go the same route that Sammy did. But, going back to his first films, including Following, I am sure Nolan will make, if he does, an amazing Batman film. He's not a crappy director by any means.

And..."lightning in a bottle"...

was that a hit on my name? :grin:

Defentiely! It's an endless cycle.

Nah...I'm just a fan of perfection. If the first Spider-Man movie sucked, then I wouldn't care, but Raimi had something going that would have turned out to be a great trilogy.

[Oscorp]

I totally agree LightningFlash. I look forward to the day when the movies actually captures the characters in Spider-Man. Like, a day when Doc Ock actually is a badass and not some innocent version for the kids, when Green Goblin (alive) makes the huge impact he should do and not look like a Power Ranger, when Eddie Brock/symbiote/Venom ain't included at all, when Harry doesn't look like a surfer, when Sandman ain't some innocent version for the kids, when Uncle Ben's killer actually IS Uncle Ben's killer, when Gwen Stacy is the love interrest until GG kills her, when there are no annoying kids in the picture, when there are no cheesyness, when there is a more serious take on J.J.J (even though I love him in this series), when Mary Jane actually is a hot model who's not a whiny biatch, when we see Spidey take down more criminals, when we see more of Spidey (duh, that should be obvious...), when there's a good story (still waiting for it), when Peter Parker actually grow up over time, when we get to see the duality of Peter/Spider-Man personas, etc. Still waiting for it.

[UnionJack]

I totally agree LightningFlash. I look forward to the day when the movies actually captures the characters in Spider-Man. Like, a day when Doc Ock actually is a badass and not some innocent version for the kids, when Green Goblin (alive) makes the huge impact he should do and not look like a Power Ranger, when Eddie Brock/symbiote/Venom ain't included at all, when Harry doesn't look like a surfer, when Sandman ain't some innocent version for the kids, when Uncle Ben's killer actually IS Uncle Ben's killer, when Gwen Stacy is the love interrest until GG kills her, when there are no annoying kids in the picture, when there are no cheesyness, when there is a more serious take on J.J.J (even though I love him in this series), when Mary Jane actually is a hot model who's not a whiny biatch, when we see Spidey take down more criminals, when we see more of Spidey (duh, that should be obvious...), when there's a good story (still waiting for it), when Peter Parker actually grow up over time, when we get to see the duality of Peter/Spider-Man personas, etc. Still waiting for it.


I'd love this to happen, a more adult and grown up Spider-man, but lets face it they don't make comic films for us .... its for kids.

It's a total shame Osbourn is dead, both of them, as it would have been nice to see one of them go more into what they are in the comics now .. more so Norman, shame Marvel can't use him for Avenger stuff in the future.

More cockyness from Spidey in fights would be a good start, none of that stupid emo stuff from 3 .. I mean what the hell!?!?

I would LOVE MJ to look hot for a change, in fact I was hoping in 3 he would get with Gwen and stick with her instead ... or Betty.

As long as Sony/Marvel make money from these films as they, then we won't see a decent on-screen Spidey.

The 90's show was bloody awesome and had a fantastic Spidey why can't it be like this!!

[Fresh Prince]

I totally agree LightningFlash. I look forward to the day when the movies actually captures the characters in Spider-Man. Like, a day when Doc Ock actually is a badass and not some innocent version for the kids, when Green Goblin (alive) makes the huge impact he should do and not look like a Power Ranger, when Eddie Brock/symbiote/Venom ain't included at all, when Harry doesn't look like a surfer, when Sandman ain't some innocent version for the kids, when Uncle Ben's killer actually IS Uncle Ben's killer, when Gwen Stacy is the love interrest until GG kills her, when there are no annoying kids in the picture, when there are no cheesyness, when there is a more serious take on J.J.J (even though I love him in this series), when Mary Jane actually is a hot model who's not a whiny biatch, when we see Spidey take down more criminals, when we see more of Spidey (duh, that should be obvious...), when there's a good story (still waiting for it), when Peter Parker actually grow up over time, when we get to see the duality of Peter/Spider-Man personas, etc. Still waiting for it.

We will get that with a remake.

[DACrowe]

There is a huge difference.

G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra has a distinct right to be cheesy. Why? Because the cartoons, the PSAs, they were all cheesy.

Spider-Man 3 was a failure of epic cheesiness, why? Because after the supposedly "great" movie that Spider-Man 2 was, Raimi took a 180 and created a cluster****. And plus, Raimi had said that S-M 3 would be dark, and it turned out to only be campy.

If you can't tell the difference between trying not to be cheesy and meaning to be cheesy, then don't bother telling your views.

if you don't think raimi has an intentionally campy and tongue-in-cheek sense of humor and that the "awful cheese" of SM3 wasn't intentional, then you haven't seen much of the director's other work.

I'm not judging SM3 compared to SM2, right now I am comparing it to GI Joe. SM3 was a much better written (and that says a lot as the writing was quite mediocre on that film) picture with better acting, special effects, character, etc.

But Spidey has some cheesy moments in it (and that and Venom only being in it 10 minutes a la Iron Monger and Two-Face) and fans don't like it. Not because of the poor writing or contrivances. But rather a dance scene and a lack of Venom.

But GI Joe, a movie that is inferior in every respect must be adored because it has the right to be a mediocre movie, as it is based on a mediocre source material?

That doesn't make sense.

[DACrowe]

We will get that with a remake.

Don't hold your breath waiting for it.

Again people complain about Raimi's movies not having stories of growth for Peter on one side and the other complaining there isn't enough action (hence this thread). Yet his movies have been mostly revered as they are focused on developing Peter's story. The hero has a clear arc in all three films, which when SM1 came out was rather revolutionary for a superhero movie.

And yet despite being respected by the industry, critics and the general audience as a more mature take on a superhero. Raimi has desensitized it and made it mindless drivel for children according to fans.

Fans who turn around and enjoy S H I T like TF2 and mediocre trite like GI joe which have no plots, no characters (just types) are aimed at the eyes of 13 year old boys and the minds of 9 year old ones. Yet those movies are beloved by fans (at least Joe). Yet, the smarter and better executed Spidey movies are "bottom of the barrel" crappy films--because? I'm not talking adaptation, I'm talking as individual films to criticize one series of movies for crimes committed by far worse franchises that are praised by the fan community.

They indeed are fickle. If SM4 is good, people will be back here kissing Raimi's ass and saying they never doubted him. It is a garuantee. Unfortunately.

[DACMAN]

Well, "you're only as good as your last film" is a saying in Hollywood for a reason.

[Venom 1988]

if you don't think raimi has an intentionally campy and tongue-in-cheek sense of humor and that the "awful cheese" of SM3 wasn't intentional, then you haven't seen much of the director's other work.
OF course it was intentional, its Sam Raimi, but they weren't needed.

But Spidey has some cheesy moments in it (and that and Venom only being in it 10 minutes a la Iron Monger and Two-Face) and fans don't like it. The difference is that other 2 villains were utilized much better, especially in Two Face's case.

[omid17]

OF course it was intentional, its Sam Raimi, but they weren't needed.

The difference is that other 2 villains were utilized much better, especially in Two Face's case. very true

[Smit84]

Don't hold your breath waiting for it.

Again people complain about Raimi's movies not having stories of growth for Peter on one side and the other complaining there isn't enough action (hence this thread). Yet his movies have been mostly revered as they are focused on developing Peter's story. The hero has a clear arc in all three films, which when SM1 came out was rather revolutionary for a superhero movie.

And yet despite being respected by the industry, critics and the general audience as a more mature take on a superhero. Raimi has desensitized it and made it mindless drivel for children according to fans.

Fans who turn around and enjoy S H I T like TF2 and mediocre trite like GI joe which have no plots, no characters (just types) are aimed at the eyes of 13 year old boys and the minds of 9 year old ones. Yet those movies are beloved by fans (at least Joe). Yet, the smarter and better executed Spidey movies are "bottom of the barrel" crappy films--because? I'm not talking adaptation, I'm talking as individual films to criticize one series of movies for crimes committed by far worse franchises that are praised by the fan community.

They indeed are fickle. If SM4 is good, people will be back here kissing Raimi's ass and saying they never doubted him. It is a garuantee. Unfortunately.

Right on! When people ask for a more mature Spider-man what they really want is one with more violence, a darker tone, and stuff inapprorpriate for kids. The fact is, the movies are mature because they focus on character and real themes, not because of adult content. Even though Spider-man 3 was a mess, give it points for at least aspiring to be more than an average popcorn movie. The "more mature" take everyone around here seem to be looking for is just to help themselves feel more mature by watching it.

As for fidelity to the comics, people complain because he is so sad sacked. Do the same fans realize the entire story for Spider-man 2 was adapted from what is considered to be a seminal issue of Amazing Spider-man? I do understand the complaints for the lack of quips and it's a fair complaint. Hopefully there will be more in the next films, but to say these movies never caught the spirit of Spider-man is just wrong.

[DACrowe]

OF course it was intentional, its Sam Raimi, but they weren't needed.

The difference is that other 2 villains were utilized much better, especially in Two Face's case.

So did GI Joe need lines like:

"Mount up ladies."

or

"Duke, I was thinking"
"I told you never to do that."

or

"I told you if he touched you again, I'd kill him."
"I know."

or

"What do they accelerate?"
"You."

The list goes on. But it is excused to be bad writing for a film, because the source material is inferior so the movie can be poor?

And I would agree Two-Face was done far better. I'd say Jeff Bridges had more screentime before turning than Grace did, but Iron Monger was no better or worse than SM3's Venom, imo. Third act nasty over the top villains for everyone!

My view.

[KangConquers]

Well I saw GI Joe finally today.

I'm thankful Raimi DID NOT GO THIS DIRECTION.

GI Joe was typical mediocre summer movie fluff. Sure it is better than TF2 (I've only seen part of it online, but after 20 minutes I had to turn it off), but that doesn't mean it is a good movie.

It was entertaining, I will admit. I think it is slightly better than Van Helsing (wasted opportunity of a cool concept) and Mummy 2, the previous Sommers movies. It really only had a few good things going about it.

1) Sienna Miller. I always liked her in Layer Cake and Cassanova and what little she had in Stardust. I never follow gossip so I don't care who she sleeps with. Accent or no accent, she gave a solid performance. Unlike any other actor, other than #2, she made a character entertaining and charming, as opposed to flat and stilted. She def. has the makings of a movie star where her charisma (and her sexiness) can lift drivel into something engaging.

2) The guy who played Storm Shadow. Yeah Snake Eyes is really cool looking and a silent ninja. But he is sure a dull character to watch in cinema. This actor is the only other to put some personality into the movie and made his rivalry with Snake Eyes kind of entertaining.

3) Just the eye canday. By that I mean the fights and explosions and just the visceral image of Sienna Miller in tight black with dark hair and the girl who played Scarlett filling out her costume....very nicely--also tight black, but with red hair.

Otherwise the movie was mainly noise. There is no coherent storyline. It just rushes from set piece to set piece. It is very disjointed. Quaid looks bored as he picks up his paycheck and Tatum cannot act with a spit. The dialogue, attempting to be humorous, is wooden and dull. The second half of the movie beginning Paris picks up and feels like a live-action cartoon (whether you think that is a good or bad thing is up to you) and becomes pretty entertaining until the credits roll. But there is no passion or suspense to any of the proceedings,, even the Snake Eyes/Storm Shadow showdown just looks cool, it isn't exciting. And the first half of the movie felt like Team America without the delicious crude humor and graphic puppet sex. Team America if Team America wasn't in on the joke.

I mean it entertained me, but I won't see it again. Despite some cool visuals like the Doctor/Commander (who is never explained why he is so evil), etc. it is just eye candy and fluff. T&A and glossy action. The CGI is actually far worse than anything in SM movies or for that matter any big budget actioner since Van Helsing. I cannot imagine why it would be preferred. It makes SM3 look much better, nevermind SM1 and SM2.

While it isn't terrible, I don't see the fun escapism everyone else does.

And people say SM3 was cheesy...


I've got to agree, Sienna Miller was pretty charming in the film. And not just because she's good looking. She has a great charisma to her. I actually laughed at the "nice shoes" line.

On the other hand, I question Channing Tatum's ability to wipe his own ass; his performance was that bad.

[omid17]

I've got to agree, Sienna Miller was pretty charming in the film. And not just because she's good looking. She has a great charisma to her. I actually laughed at the "nice shoes" line.

On the other hand, I question Channing Tatum's ability to wipe his own ass; his performance was that bad.Channing performance was effing horrible

[UnionJack]

I've got to agree, Sienna Miller was pretty charming in the film. And not just because she's good looking. She has a great charisma to her. I actually laughed at the "nice shoes" line.

On the other hand, I question Channing Tatum's ability to wipe his own ass; his performance was that bad.

wow you found Miller good, I found her about as stiff and dull as Tatum!

[The Ace of Knaves]

Tatum was actually excellent in A guide to recognizing your saints.

I think he has the potential to be a good actor if given good material and under a decent director. I mean, Oliver Stone cast him in his new Vietnam epic "Pinkville". Oliver Stone doesn't cast people with no talent at all.

[UnionJack]

So did GI Joe need lines like:

"Mount up ladies."

or

"Duke, I was thinking"
"I told you never to do that."

or

"I told you if he touched you again, I'd kill him."
"I know."

or

"What do they accelerate?"
"You."

The list goes on. But it is excused to be bad writing for a film, because the source material is inferior so the movie can be poor?

And I would agree Two-Face was done far better. I'd say Jeff Bridges had more screentime before turning than Grace did, but Iron Monger was no better or worse than SM3's Venom, imo. Third act nasty over the top villains for everyone!

My view.


don't forget the

"wow thats like a kung-fu grip"

or sommet utter crap like that .... given as much comedic timing as Waynes always gives .. which by-the-way is always terrible.

[Fresh Prince]

wow you found Miller good, I found her about as stiff and dull as Tatum!

Tatum seems tobeovies these days considering he was apart of that lame dancing movie Step Up.

[Immortalfire]

I'm closing this. It's gotten so far off track, it's a mix of G.I. Joe reviews, what you want in a new Spidey movie and whatever else.

All of which is being covered in other Spidey threads and in the Joe forum.